building-and-recc-chat

[stoic island]

It is correct, but as you can see, "In stock on April 26th"

[foggy hazel]

nowadays, i am a freelance problem solver @kind shuttle

[kind shuttle]

So if u order now u prolly get it in like 11 days

4 days plus the estimated 1 week shipping

[stoic island]

Which means it's currently out of stock, but it will be in stock in a while.

[mighty sapphire]

Yea that’s fine! I’m not like it has to be here tomorrow or anything lol

[stoic island]

Fair enough.

[kind shuttle]

Like a consultant naed?

[mighty sapphire]

My gpu is backordered too

[kind shuttle]

Cuz everyone wants to build a pc right now

And everyone needs parts

[foggy hazel]

@mighty sapphire consider the following. Most of the bigger retailers seem to be working with rolling stock updates

so that their incoming stock doesnt get depleted in the first 5 minutes of the day

[kind shuttle]

@foggy hazel what’s the best way to learn the basics of all this computer stuff

Never been much of a hardware guy

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle for some customers, yes. for others no.

[kind shuttle]

I dabbled in coding but that’s about it

[foggy hazel]

read/listen/learn/absorb

rinse and repeat

keep on doing that

[kind shuttle]

How do Ik who knows what they’re talking about

[quick wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/njf24n <- what I built Friday

[foggy hazel]

as i said, form your own opinion

[stoic island]

Google stuff, thats the easiest way to learn imo xD

[kind shuttle]

There isn’t much room for opinion in regards to how things work

[foggy hazel]

and be willing to challenge your own belief

[mighty sapphire]

Looks like they have the ripjaw in stock at the microcenter near me as well

[foggy hazel]

there is plenty of room for opinion on that @kind shuttle

[kind shuttle]

Is it worth the risk going to micro center

That’s the question

[quick wren]

the two SATA SSDs and the 1060 I recycled from my old build.

[kind shuttle]

U need gloves and a mask

[foggy hazel]

@mighty sapphire until the moment you are buying/ordering, the stock status doesnt matter. So please dont stress yourself over something like that

[mighty sapphire]

Eh I’m exposed to it daily, my fiancé is working right now so lol

[kind shuttle]

That’s a terrible attitude

[mighty sapphire]

I’m ready to order stuff now I did already order the cpu

[kind shuttle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ifishman26/saved/QDcF8d

Ok

Give me the green light

If I’m good to go

[foggy hazel]

no

[kind shuttle]

Triple checking just to be safe

[foggy hazel]

lesson number 1 @kind shuttle

you should be able to tell what is wrong with that list yourself by now

[kind shuttle]

Naed school is in session!

[mighty sapphire]

@kind shuttle I’m just not super worried personally about myself getting it. And I’ll probably just order it if it’s the only thing at microcenter. Lol I wouldn’t drive 2 almost 3 hours to get only it

[foggy hazel]

you have numerous comparison points to compare against @kind shuttle

[kind shuttle]

Uh oh

[quick wren]

First thing I noticed very small margin on the power.

[foggy hazel]

(and for the lurkers, this is not said to be mean, but because he himself asked about it)

[kind shuttle]

This the same feeling I get when the teacher calls on me after I been on my phone all class

I really just have no idea @foggy hazel

[foggy hazel]

take the other lists, and compare them @kind shuttle

[mighty sapphire]

I noticed what Stephanie said too? More wattage? Isn’t a higher tier better as well? Like gold? I’m learning too so hopefully Im not way off base.

[quick wren]

a higher efficiency rating would be better too.

[kind shuttle]

It’s the same as mr1111

[quick wren]

especially if you are going to cut it that close

[foggy hazel]

the psu is fine

[mighty sapphire]

Is the one I have too much then?

[quick wren]

I'm obviously missing something too.

[foggy hazel]

re: psu efficiency/rating: long story short is build quality matters a LOT

efficiency/rating is a poor way to judge that.

[kind shuttle]

Ok naed you’ve convinced me that im blind

Spill the tea

[foggy hazel]

mainboard

[kind shuttle]

As opposed to the Asus tuf pro gaming?

Or whatever mr1111 suggested

[foggy hazel]

ah see, you can read

you just didnt want to

[kind shuttle]

That was a conscious decision to leave it

[foggy hazel]

so, you are choosing, to pay for something that has features you wont use, and paying extra for those features?

that, imo, seems like a weird choice

[kind shuttle]

That will be taken under advisement

What price diff are we talking about

[foggy hazel]

read the old lists @kind shuttle

you have them, they have been tagged with your name on them

[kind shuttle]

Oh I didn’t know I could find them thru that

[quick wren]

as far as PSUs, I look at brand, reviews, efficiency rating, and margins and usually try to leave myself at least 25-50% of the rated wattage for future upgrades

[foggy hazel]

you just have to search and find them, and then the answer will be right there.

[kind shuttle]

What are the features that I won’t use

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle read up on what the tomahawk is good for

[kind shuttle]

Well that’s why I put it there

[foggy hazel]

and what is it "good" for?

[kind shuttle]

I did a couple hours of research

Oh u mean specifically

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island dont spoil it

[stoic island]

Well Stephanie, I use PSU tier list, and use their sources from time to time to figure out more

I wont, you can have your lesson :D

[foggy hazel]

@quick wren 10+ years ago, the 20% overhead made a lot more sense than it does today

[stoic island]

@quick wren also, just a point, but usually components get more and more efficient ||except for intel||, so that much extra overhead doesn't make much sense.

Unless you're planning on SLI (out of date nowadays), or an HEDT build, no need to go over 650w.

[kind shuttle]

Naed the problem I’m running into is motherboard reviews etc aren’t written for people who don’t understand them

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island intel gets efficient, they are just trying to push past the rules of sanity, just like AMD did with the rx580/590

[stoic island]

Just talking 10th gen xD

They're just stuffing more power into them

[kind shuttle]

Like I can see the features online

[quick wren]

I tend to end up with half a dozen drives and at least one GPU upgrade between when I build a PC and when I next rebuild though, so thats why I leave myself so much room.

[kind shuttle]

But idk if I’ll use them

[foggy hazel]

yes, which is the "rules of sanity" i am talking about @stoic island

@kind shuttle you are the one that wanted to know how you could trust things i/we said. What you are experiencing right now, is part of that

[quick wren]

last PC had 5 out of the 6 SATA channels used

[foggy hazel]

read/listen/learn/absorb

rinse and repeat

[stoic island]

Well, SATA drives don't take much power at all, usually in the single digits lol

[kind shuttle]

Well yes but the foundation of that is learning how motherboards world

[stoic island]

Google

[kind shuttle]

Which isn’t something I particularly want to do at this moment in time

[foggy hazel]

then perhaps, at this point in time, it is about time you say that.

[kind shuttle]

Well I want to learn

But I want to build a Apc even more!

[foggy hazel]

then lean on the people that know their craft

[stoic island]

It's a painstaking process of googling everything to learn. We can't exactly hand you all the information on a platter.

[foggy hazel]

well, we can, and we did

and you decided not to listen :)

[kind shuttle]

Not true!

The internet also told me that the b450 tomahawk was the best bang for my b450 buck

[foggy hazel]

i ultimately dont care if you want to buy a 50usd mainboard and use a 700 usd cpu on it. that is your choice. Please keep that in mind

[kind shuttle]

But I’ll go w the Asus thing

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle you are focused on the wrong thing

[kind shuttle]

I would agree

[foggy hazel]

you seem to focus on "who is wrong/right"

(one of) the question should be: Why is that board rated as highly vs the other one? (tomahawk vs Pro Gaming)

because the answer you could get for that question, is something you can then compare to the "reasons" that people give for the tomahawk

and at that point, you can do what i said earlier (make your own opinion)

[kind shuttle]

Keep in mind I’m not disagreeing

[foggy hazel]

i am :)

and just in case it feels like this is "personal". There is no intention for it to be personal

it is just words and concepts for "thinking" really

[kind shuttle]

The “research” I did involved looking at other people explain why they chose certain parts for price point builds and almost everyone at my price point seemed to use the tomahawk without giving a ton of reasoning

[foggy hazel]

would you like to know why that is?

[kind shuttle]

Yes!

None of it feels personal at all dw

[foggy hazel]

because those people didnt like doing their own research

the tomahawk is not a bad board

IF

you plan on oc'ing the pants of the cpu

[kind shuttle]

That’s a big IF

[foggy hazel]

thats the only situation where the board is not bad

[kind shuttle]

I really gotta figure out what overclocking is

[foggy hazel]

overclocking = taking a part and trying to run it a faster than (stock) rated speed

at the expense of power (and as a function of that, heat)

@mighty sapphire and i dont think i ever answered your question about your PSU, yes, yours is very much overkill for the system and information you have given so far

[quick wren]

(and as a function of heat, shorter lifespan / potentially less stability)

[stoic island]

Also aesthetic as far as I can see. A white PSU in a white case.

[kind shuttle]

Is that something I should look into doing or do I not need to worry ab it

[mighty sapphire]

@foggy hazel okay thank you! Would 750w 80+gold be better or still overkill?

[stoic island]

(otherwise I would've suggested revolution d.f)

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle oc'ing = raised power use = heat = more need for cooling = investment in cooling needed

[mighty sapphire]

Would the black look better? I think the case is silver but my gpu is white as well

[kind shuttle]

I would imagine u can OC incrementally this

Tho

[foggy hazel]

@mighty sapphire generally, 650w is the absolute max we recommend here for consumer builds

[stoic island]

Oh, sorry, I thought you wanted a white build? I have nothing against white builds, and there's no downsides really other than some parts arnt white.

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle heat does not go up in a linear way

[kind shuttle]

Yea ik

[mighty sapphire]

Oh okay! I assumed since the gpu recommend 650 I needed to go up some?

[foggy hazel]

so you would very very very quickly need a investment in cooling. Which, your budget considered, isnt an option

[kind shuttle]

But since the r5 comes w a decent cooler would it be able to over lock slightly if that’s a thing

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle it does by itself, out of the box.

so, long story short, dont worry about it

[kind shuttle]

Ok

So tomahawk is better if u wanna OC

[foggy hazel]

@mighty sapphire no need. Think of the "recommended X watt" notices as having to take into account all the types/quality of PSU that is on the market

[mighty sapphire]

@stoic island I’m honestly not too picky on colors I just like the white gpu better lol I thought the white psu would match better but it doesn’t matter much to me. I just want one that will be safe and efficient

[foggy hazel]

@mighty sapphire re: white psu: if your case has a shroud that covers the PSU, that would not matter

[stoic island]

Yea it's completely fine, I like the looks of a white build, and RMx is a very good PSU anyways.

[mighty sapphire]

Lol that’s true @foggy hazel and I think it does

[foggy hazel]

(this is one of the reasons that shroud cases are VERY popular)

[quick wren]

At least in the limited testing I've done over the last couple days the Ryzen 3600's included cooler is more than enough for stock speeds and reasonable levels of turbo boost

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle specifically, if you want to really push it

[quick wren]

and from everything I can see wouldn't be enough for any meaningful overclocking.

[foggy hazel]

@quick wren close enough :)

[kind shuttle]

But if I get the other mobo I would have to upgrade the mobo in the future if I wanted to invest in OC right

[foggy hazel]

correct

[quick wren]

after 10 minutes running all the cores full blast, temp sits just under the point where it would start to throttle with the stock cooler and doesn't go any hotter

[mighty sapphire]

The psu is the only thing I’m lacking. I found the mobo will be in stock soon too on amazon.

[foggy hazel]

IF, you wanted to OC and (as mentioned) really push it

a light OC could be done on the Pro Gaming just fine

[kind shuttle]

So to clarify the Asus board can OC

Ok

I’m planning on upgrading at some point down the road

[stoic island]

Side note, I think tomahawk might've been on the same tier as pro gaming

Gotta check

[kind shuttle]

When u say tier who ranks the tiers

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island if memory serves, its very close

community feedback effort @kind shuttle with reviews as reference

[kind shuttle]

Is there somewhere I can “see” all the rankings for stuff

Doesn’t sound like there’s a mobo tier chart

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island you got the link on hand?

[kind shuttle]

Or maybe there is

[foggy hazel]

there kinda is @kind shuttle

[stoic island]

Yes

[foggy hazel]

but, you have to keep in mind, any tier list can/will be weighted for a given "purpose/goal"

[stoic island]

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1137619-motherboard-tier-list-v2-currently-amd-only/

[kind shuttle]

Ok so if I’m planning on upgrading later down the road which is the better option

Which is more future proof

Or are they equally future proof

Minus the overclock aspect

[foggy hazel]

keep in mind, "future proof" is a weird concept in this industry.

but, in the way i think you mean it: They are equal

[stoic island]

Side note, according to color coding, tomahawk is barely tier C, and tuf pro is at tier D.

[foggy hazel]

aye. and that list is weighted for OC'ing

that is a very important thing to remember

[kind shuttle]

I think the price difference was what

Like 10

Or 15

[foggy hazel]

15

[kind shuttle]

Hmm

[foggy hazel]

now, lets look at the other side of things @kind shuttle

you have so far, focused on "what does the tomahawk give me"

now flip that question around

[kind shuttle]

What doesn’t it give me!

Or what do I give the tomahawk?

[foggy hazel]

it doesnt give you a second m.2 port

[kind shuttle]

Can’t really see that being relevant

I meant my second question not ur comment

[foggy hazel]

it doesnt give you a decent soundchip

aye aye Atlas :)

[kind shuttle]

I’m giving the tomahawk my love and affection

Seems like a good trade off

Does the pro gaming board have a better sound chip

[wheat sluice]

Hello everyone! I'm new to this discord, but I have a question. I'm helping a friend with a build and they're going to use the 1600af and a Vega 56. Is a 600w psu good enough, or should I go with a 750w? He has a limited budget, so I don't want to spend more than I have to.

[kind shuttle]

Also is another m.2 port for another SSD?

I say go 1000W

That should cover everything

[quick wren]

for another SSD, and sometimes for wifi/bluetooth

[stoic island]

EZGenius, are they set on going with that configuration?

[wheat sluice]

They're not too set. They're buying used, so as far as GPU goes, it's easier to find a cheap Vega 56 than a 1070/1070 ti

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle the second m.2 and the better soundchip are features that the tomahawk DOESNT have.

[kind shuttle]

Right

Does the other board have a better chip

I was asking what the second port was for to see if I’d need it

[foggy hazel]

yes. because that is the comparison being answered

second port can be used for adding a drive down the line, if you want

[kind shuttle]

When u say drive

[foggy hazel]

which is a much more likely scenario than you actually OC'ing

[kind shuttle]

Does that mean hard driver

[foggy hazel]

drive = ssd

[kind shuttle]

Ah

Ok

I’ll go w the Asus one then

[foggy hazel]

also, here is a "fun/weird" tidbit

[kind shuttle]

Sound chip is really the deciding factor

Can’t argue w good sound

[foggy hazel]

even thou the 2 boards are very different sizes, IF you went with 2 graphics cards, the available "other ports" would be the same

because the Tomahawk is a bit of a dingbat with its pci-e port locations

[kind shuttle]

Is the pro gaming micro atx

[foggy hazel]

the b450m pro gaming = micro atx

[kind shuttle]

Ah that’s the little m

[foggy hazel]

aye :)

[kind shuttle]

Is that harder to work with?

[foggy hazel]

no

its still a big board

[kind shuttle]

Ok

What are pci-e for

[foggy hazel]

any add-in card

[mighty sapphire]

Would you guys recommend the micro or regular sized one?

[kind shuttle]

^

[foggy hazel]

@mighty sapphire depends on your use case

i am of the personal opinion that ATX is overrated, because people don't use the ports

[kind shuttle]

Any add in card as in?

[foggy hazel]

they "like" having them. but they dont actually use them

[kind shuttle]

Like what cards could b added

[foggy hazel]

typical cards could be something like a capture card

(but that could just as easily and cheaply be done via USB)

[mighty sapphire]

I have a mid tower atx right now

[kind shuttle]

Cool

[mighty sapphire]

Selected

[foggy hazel]

99.99999% of "gamers" only need a single pci-e for their graphics card

the rest is not ever used

[kind shuttle]

Ok

Great

[foggy hazel]

its why for personal builds (for gaming etc), i go itx

@cursive wharf what are you pondering?

[cursive wharf]

What would the average use case be for extra card? Capture card, sound card, smth else?

Or GPU, probs that I guess

[foggy hazel]

sound card is generally external (at least, that is recommended etc)

dual gpu = dead for actual gaming imo

[quick wren]

if I put anything else in my PCIe slots it will probably be either a) more nvme drives , b) wifi if I absolutely have to have it , or c) usb-c

[mighty sapphire]

What is itx vs atx?

[cursive wharf]

Yeah, but I'd guess it's close to most common

[kind shuttle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ifishman26/saved/QDcF8d

[foggy hazel]

and again, usb C and its ilk has killed most internal expansion cards. because it is "good enough"

[kind shuttle]

Quadruple check!

[foggy hazel]

@mighty sapphire atx vs itx : remove all the ports, except the first below the cpu

that is basically itx in a nutshell

[cursive wharf]

@kind shuttle should be about $10 more for better RAM: 3600 CL16

[kind shuttle]

This was a whole convo

[quick wren]

quite a few ITX boards only have two memory slots as well, though that's not universal

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle as Hei said :) also, consider this, the money saved on the Tomahawk = money now available for better ram

[quick wren]

but something to watch out for

[cursive wharf]

TL:dr, average stays close to same and lows improve a fair bit in some games

[kind shuttle]

So I should get the 3600 ram

I thought that wasn’t necessary

[foggy hazel]

@quick wren its universal for regular (non-so-dimm) boards

as in, only 2 slots

[mighty sapphire]

So if I have the extra to spend should I go with the bigger board instead of micro? I’m not sure what the difference is really between the two

[cursive wharf]

ITX is meant to be as small as possible basically but with a standard form factor. So only having 2 dimm slots kinda happens

[quick wren]

right, that was my main reason for not going ITX, I'll eventually add another 32GB of ram.

[foggy hazel]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/7532/ASUS M6I - Top.jpg <- that is the board in the machine i am on right now @mighty sapphire

[cursive wharf]

I like the pos of the EPS cable

[mighty sapphire]

Oh it’s tiny!

[cursive wharf]

Nice addition there

[kind shuttle]

Wait so do I get the 3600 speed ram or stay 3200

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle 3600

[kind shuttle]

Ok

[quick wren]

and as to why I would need 64GB of ram, VMs

[foggy hazel]

its a lovely board Hei :)

@quick wren and that use case, mainly moves you away from the "old" ITX boards, but now, with ram density being what it is?

64 is easy on itx

[stoic island]

I just like where the CPU power ports are located there :p

I kinda hate how mine is way in the back corner

esp with a d15

[foggy hazel]

that is what Hei said Mr1111

[kind shuttle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ifishman26/saved/QDcF8d

That ram good?

[quick wren]

having 4 slots meant I could get the 32GB of ram I could afford now, and add another 32GB later

[stoic island]

Huh, thought EPS cable was a blanket term

for power cables

[cursive wharf]

@kind shuttle got yourself stuck on poor latency RAM

[foggy hazel]

EPS = 8pin

[cursive wharf]

Timings are another factor of RAM

[kind shuttle]

What does that mean Hei

I’m not very well versed in this

[foggy hazel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jBZzK8/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc <- there you go @kind shuttle

[still roost]

stephanie#0001 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[cursive wharf]

F

[kind shuttle]

So I want 16 latency

[cursive wharf]

Yeah

[quick wren]

Ram can have high bandwidth but horrible latency, which might work OK for some stuff but is going to kill you for gaming or other latency critical applications.

[mighty sapphire]

16 is the best for gaming?

[foggy hazel]

for that specific CPU architecture, yes

-ish

as in, just nod and say yes :)

[mighty sapphire]

Okay lol

[kind shuttle]

Other than that it’s good?

[cursive wharf]

There is more to it then just that, but should keep it simple right now

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle yes, your build is looking fine now

[kind shuttle]

Great

Again thanks for the help

[mighty sapphire]

I did notice his latency wasnt good when I looked lol so I’m learning something I feel like!

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle now, you just have to be patient and find the exact parts when they are in stock.

[kind shuttle]

Everything is available except the ripjaws if that’s what u mean

[foggy hazel]

aye, right now it is :)

dont be surprised if the mainboard jumps in and out of stock

[kind shuttle]

So I should order it now then

[foggy hazel]

that is 100% normal for these days :)

[kind shuttle]

The mobo at least

[foggy hazel]

you are planning on buying all of it ASAP right?

[kind shuttle]

Yea

[foggy hazel]

then yes, might as well :)

[kind shuttle]

My old computer is kinda bricked

And I can’t run any games really

Except Rocket league, my favorite

[quick wren]

lunch break's over, time to get back to ticket queues :/

[mighty sapphire]

Okay so I’ve found everything either ready to order or it is back ordered and I can order it will just take some time to come in. Except a psu! As long as my case is sufficient.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pGP9vW

[foggy hazel]

so, before i move on to the next build, any other questions @kind shuttle ?

[kind shuttle]

Nope I think I’m good thanks

[foggy hazel]

you are very welcome :) and best of luck with the build :)

[cursive wharf]

@mighty sapphire That PSU is decent, tho usually overpriced. I wouldn't worry over PSU colors due to most cases having a PSU shroud

[kind shuttle]

I’ll def be reaching out when all the parts come in haha

[foggy hazel]

@mighty sapphire hm, that case only comes with 1 pre-installed fan

https://cougargaming.com/products/cases/gemini-s/

[mighty sapphire]

I’m open to any psu!

[cursive wharf]

I'd usually go with this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n34BD3/enermax-revolution-df-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-erf650awt

[mighty sapphire]

So I would need to get more fans?

[foggy hazel]

https://www.amazon.com/Enermax-Revolution-Certified-Supply-ERF650AWT/dp/B07PB67ZS7 <- the actual clickable link for amazon itself for that PSU

[mighty sapphire]

@cursive wharf and the 650 is sufficient for my build?

[foggy hazel]

plenty

[cursive wharf]

To give a scale of power here, a 550w can do stock 3950x+2080Ti

[foggy hazel]

and yes, i would recommend at least 1 other fan be added

[mighty sapphire]

Perfect! Added it to the cart to!

[cursive wharf]

So yeah, more than enough as Naed said

[mighty sapphire]

As for the case. Is it better to go with a completely different case or just add another fan or some type of cooling system?

[foggy hazel]

IF you really like the design/look of that case, then just add another fan

[kind shuttle]

Should I be getting protection plans

[foggy hazel]

personal visual preference prevents me from giving it a thumbs up

[kind shuttle]

No right

[stoic island]

So, some other cases to consider and maybe look at can be Coolermaster H500, Phanteks P400a (OOS rn), and Meshify C.

[foggy hazel]

@kind shuttle imo, no.

[kind shuttle]

Ok

[foggy hazel]

Mini C too @stoic island

[stoic island]

Fair enough, thought full ATX board?

[foggy hazel]

gah, nope

i am so used to using the M board :)

good catch mr1111 :)

[stoic island]

I was also thinking style wise, big front fans style, rgb style, or just nice mesh case.
:D

[foggy hazel]

fair :)

[quick wren]

having worked in PC warranty stuff in the past, for desktops/desktop parts, they are almost always a scam, and for laptops, they are only sometimes worth it

[foggy hazel]

the H500 fits that to a T imo

[stoic island]

T?

[quick wren]

with what you'd pay for the extended warranty overall, you could replace whatever component might fail

[foggy hazel]

perfecT <- Mr1111

[quick wren]

laptops are a different story, because of the simple fact that parts potentially won't be available when your laptop breaks, and also because laptops generally take much more physical abuse (just make sure your extended warranty doesn't exclude that)

[stoic island]

Interesting terminology xD
I like the looks of it, nice big case, nice big airflow, nice performance, some rgb sprinkled on top.

[mighty sapphire]

Looks like the phanteks is out of stock on Newegg and amazon too

In terms of size does it just need to be one of the mid tower?

[stoic island]

Yea.

[mighty sapphire]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PQgqQq

Aside from a case does everything else look good?

[stoic island]

No issues at all, but I do have a suggestion, if you really want a white aesthetic, and would pay for better looks, a white AIO might look pretty good.

[mighty sapphire]

Is that a cooling system?

[stoic island]

Yes, lemme go link one for you

[mighty sapphire]

Okay!

[stoic island]

Like this, (It's out of stock on Newegg rn, in stock on amazon, but I like Newegg better for specs and all)
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835181141

(It's 140$ sold by newegg, 3rd party seller jacked up the price)

[mighty sapphire]

That’s actually one of the ones I had favorited to possibly add on!

[stoic island]

But I'd like to warn you, it would be paying for aesthetics, but there's nothing wrong in paying for those aesthetics if you wanted to. Like I would buy that if I had a white themed build.

[mighty sapphire]

I’m not super strapped or worried about a budget. But that is definitely something I had saved to add on if not now eventually. So I would like a case that could fit/go with it too

But aside from the case I want to order my other parts. While I can lol I’m going to talk with my fiancé about which case because he did like the first one I had selected lol#

[kind shuttle]

Does it matter if the monitor has free sync and I’m not using an amd card

[stoic island]

Free sync usually means G-Sync compatible.

[kind shuttle]

Oh cool

[stoic island]

I see, go ahead lol

[mighty sapphire]

The gpu, the ram, and the mobo are all available to order but not in stock so they will just take a bit to come in

I checked the microcenter here but they only had the ram not the mobo or gpu

[safe field]

Friend is offering to foot up to $200 on one of these, which one to get?

First is refurb, bottom two are new

[zenith lintel]

Hey I need help with my build I’m not sure what’s wrong with it, it won’t boot what so ever, we have boiled it down to the cpu or motherboard how can I tell which it is

[mighty sapphire]

@stoic island if I was to go with the first case that only has one fan, the cooling system would solve that problem? Or would I still need more fans on the case to

[stoic island]

Well, that case idk if it supports radiators or not, gonna have to check.

[mighty sapphire]

With the aio it needs radiator support?

[stoic island]

most cases supports radiators

I just dont know about that case

never heard of it lol

Oh it does

up to 360mm on top

and front

[mighty sapphire]

Okay cool!

I’m not sure if he’s stuck on that one or not. It’s just the one he’d sent me lol

[stoic island]

fair enough lol

you can send him some suggests we threw around

[mighty sapphire]

I’m definitely going to!

Well I did but he’s at work so it’s harder to get a read on what he’s wanting lol

[stoic island]

Well, we got time, no rush.

[mighty sapphire]

You guys have been super awesome so far with helping with everything!

[plush peak]

Anyone here ever build in a antec p101 tower?

[simple stag]

how many fans do you need approx for a 1660 super in a mid tower

i got the fractal meshify and it comes with 2 good fans but wondering if i need 1-2 more

[stoic island]

your choice

[strange garden]

Anyone know if the EVGA gpu water cooling kit would fit a non EVGA card? I have an HP OEM 2080 but want to upgrade the cooling solution

[stoic island]

Do you know what the pcb is?

Because if it's reference PCB, theres blocks that fit it

if it's different, who the heck knows

[strange garden]

It’s this card which I’m pretty sure is a reference model. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/hp-rtx-2080-oem.b6679

[stoic island]

idrk

[strange garden]

Anyone else have an idea or can point me in a direction to look?

I fee like oem cards are usually reference right?

[mighty sapphire]

Better to order from amazon or like Newegg? Does it matter too much as far as customer service and such? I’ve never ordered from Newegg but have amazon just never computer parts

[stoic island]

Either one

Both are good in their own way

[strong yoke]

any good 1k builds

[proven plank]

Hold on

[stoic island]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/PkmBcf

[proven plank]

I know a site

That searches for Amazon pc part's and lists them on its https://blinkmypc.it/

[strong yoke]

@stoic island is that good?

like

specs?

[proven plank]

It's in Italian but it's understandable I think

[celest horizon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/UCAUCA/saved/NmcF8d

[stoic island]

Yes

Naed you see any issues with mine?

[mighty sapphire]

Ohh!! The gpu is already back and stock and being packaged ekk I’m excited lol

[stoic island]

lol

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island in theory no

[stoic island]

In Practice, any idea?

[foggy hazel]

not right now, cooking :)

was just back answering a call from someone yelling at me :)

[stoic island]

Fair enough, go do your thing :D

[mighty sapphire]

Is this the case you were recommending?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DRVHBWK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_DplOEbF9E5YJQ

[stoic island]

Yes

but it might not look great for a white build

[rocky wren]

hey all, im looking to upgrade my current system and was told to check out microcenter for some good deals. i found an r5 3600x + asus x570-e rog strix gaming MOBO combo for $500 including taxes. just wanted to get some feedback on the components and the price point.

[stoic island]

I mean, you can get similar performance from 3600x + Asus tuf b450 pro gaming.
and that would be 200$ cheaper.

[rocky wren]

hmm ok, maybe ill just stick to ordering the CPU from them for pick up for the 170 its offered at

bc i dont think i can beat that anywhree

[mighty sapphire]

Yea @stoic island I was kind of thinking that too

Sorry I had to hurry and do some assignments that were due by 6 🤦🏼‍♀️

[stoic island]

It's quite alright

[thorn copper]

Hey just wondered how I could get a nvidia geforce RTX without spending too much

[fast dust]

How much do you consider much

[thorn copper]

Over $1000 budget

[stoic island]

That's quite easy imo

You can fit a rtx2070 super for slightly more than 1000$.

[fast dust]

you talking about just the GPU or an entire build?

[thorn copper]

The entire build with RTX

[fast dust]

Oh @stoic island really likes making builds. I'll let him do this if he wants

[thorn copper]

Ok

[stoic island]

heh, I just have this here
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/PkmBcf

[thorn copper]

Its my first time ever considering to build a PC rather than buy a prebuilt

[fast dust]

Yep that build just posted seems pretty decent

[thorn copper]

I do like it actually

[fast dust]

Except an Ernemax PSU?

eeeeeeh

[thorn copper]

Is their any alternative to that build

[fast dust]

that seems like the best tbh

You could spend a bit less on the GPU and get a little better PSU/SSD i guess

[thorn copper]

What could I get that is RTX for cheaper

[fast dust]

2060, 2060 super, 2070

But honestly those cards are a little bit weak for RTX

[stoic island]

That PSU is amazing okay

It's better than RMx

The company is crap

but that model is great

[fast dust]

Alright

Yeah I was weary becuase of the brand

[polar goblet]

Hey @stoic island
So I started ordering all my stuff today! 😁
The last thing I need to order is my psu.
I believe you said the EVGA G3 isn’t a good psu.
Why is that?

[stoic island]

It has lacking OCP

It's not horrible, since it's unrealistic you'll reach a current that goes over

[thorn copper]

I dont know its my first time buying anything related to a pc build

[stoic island]

but it's just something to think about.

[fast dust]

I dont know its my first time buying anything related to a pc build
@thorn copper I'd just say stick with the one previously recommended

[stoic island]

I current have a G3, but I have not been affected by the issues yet.

[thorn copper]

The games I have on my current prebuilt are arma 3, minecraft, Escape from Tarkov, Borderlands, and Star Citizen

[polar goblet]

Okay thanks I didn’t know that!
What psu brand would you recommend for a 750w?
Can be any price, of course reasonable, but a good brand or something

[stoic island]

Enermax revolution d.f 750w

That exact model

Other enermax PSUs are usually pretty bad

[polar goblet]

Alright thanks!

Y’all are the best! I really appreciate everything y’all are doing in this discord 👌🏼

[zenith glacier]

Hey, so question.
When you decided to change color of the coolant, how you do it? Clean out pc with distilled water first?

How you clean it?

How you turn on res. fan?

I mean reservoir pump fan

[paper ermine]

My 3 rbg fans are not working while the back does

The lights do not light up. Everything is plugged in

Can anyone help?

[stoic island]

Rgb isn't plugged in maybe

[paper ermine]

It should be, let be double check

[zenith glacier]

get ignored 😭

[paper ermine]

All are plugged in

[stoic island]

Not a liquid cooling person 😭

Because it looks like the fans are spinning

[paper ermine]

They are spinning

[zenith glacier]

Track them down to the psu and motherboard

[full seal]

Sometimes the RGB connection might be plugged in but a bit loose. I need to reseat mine half the time I move my case. Could also be connection in the daisy chain that might not be quite fully connected.

[zenith glacier]

The cables from RGB fans but there should be one missing

Like mine

[buoyant flame]

Also make sure the plus is on the right side for the rgb connector

@paper ermine also what case is that?

[paper ermine]

I found out the problem and H500P mesh

[zenith glacier]

GOTTA HAVE RGB

😛

[paper ermine]

Thanks for the help guys

[stoic island]

aw why didn't you stick with stock fans

dem beefy 200mm ones

[paper ermine]

Cause I like corsair fans lmaoo

[buoyant flame]

Oof

[zenith glacier]

Me tooo

CORSAIR FOR LIFE

[stoic island]

:p

but

200mm fans

[paper ermine]

Yah

[buoyant flame]

Not as good airflow tho...

Shame

[zenith glacier]

Lol mine smaller I think 160 something I forget

[paper ermine]

I'll find something out for the 200mm fans

[stoic island]

but

front fans

[stoic island]

I want that case just because the 200mm fans

[buoyant flame]

Same

[zenith glacier]

This case or his?

[stoic island]

CM H500

[buoyant flame]

^

[zenith glacier]

I wanted white TT view but they are not existed anymore

[viral ore]

i like that one

[stoic island]

I dont think you can fit 200mm fans in your case xD

Which one sassy

[zenith glacier]

No lol

I like three than two

[stoic island]

I like beefy

[zenith glacier]

Fills up the space

[stoic island]

also good airflow

[zenith glacier]

Yea

[stoic island]

also wider

also NH-D15 support

[zenith glacier]

I used to have switch case. Over 10 fans.

I wanted smaller case but I ended up with TT view because of the big view I like

[zenith glacier]

Yay

It’s on!

[paper ermine]

They're working now. Thanks everyone

[zenith glacier]

Np

[stoic island]

H500 mesh ftw

H500m is fine too

[zenith glacier]

What the mesh front look like

I know each cases by front and side. But naked idk

[stoic island]

This is the mesh front

[zenith glacier]

Ooo

Yes

Nice case

Should went with 200 lol

[stoic island]

I don't like the 3x120mm bc of how you leave space on the sides

That might look weird once you install the front panel

[zenith glacier]

That why I got 160 or 140mm

Yea

[stoic island]

2x200mm tho

[zenith glacier]

I have everything on Corsair but motherboard, case, GPU

[stoic island]

no

never

is that o11?

[zenith glacier]

Lol

[buoyant flame]

Take those bottles to the sink @zenith glacier lmao

[zenith glacier]

Yea my bad xD

No

It’s TT view

It can fit 200 wow

[stoic island]

wait Im stupid

Idk why I just saw side mounted rad

[zenith glacier]

My husband’s pc is o11

[stoic island]

I see

[zenith glacier]

His pc is forking powerful

Literally powerful more than mine

You see why I asked about questions because it’s time to change liquid.

[stoic island]

interesting tubing

[zenith glacier]

Yea

[buoyant flame]

Its beautiful lmao

[stoic island]

kinda bothers me that the outtake of the GPU block is like kinda crooked

[zenith glacier]

Thanks lol

[stoic island]

could be just the camera angle messes with it

[zenith glacier]

Yea it’s bothersome. I would not do that to my pc

Could be

I like clean lines

[buoyant flame]

I like that reservoir

Bubbly 😂

[zenith glacier]

I have plans for my pc like streamline that go with curved window

Yea it bother my husband 😑

It was not there before

It’s getting low so yea I ordered everything and new color for it so tomorrow we will change it

Hope we get clean out without problems

[celest horizon]

x570 Aqua? Nice

[kind shuttle]

Random question

How do I set a notification for when something comes in stock

[sullen spoke]

usually there is a notify me button somewhere

[kind shuttle]

I can find the price drop notification button

I’ll poke around some more

[sullen spoke]

I don't know if all sites have it

[knotty kernel]

I have an issue when choosing a Prosser for my mother board

I have a b450

[rocky wren]

Is the ryzen 1600 worth using for someone who is just getting into PC gaming?

[knotty kernel]

I can't show what I am trying to show

Links and images not allowed

I want to get a AMD RYZEN 9 3900X

But on PC part picker

It says it has incompatibility with the Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.0) ATX AM4 Motherboard

[wary tundra]

@rocky wren Yes

[knotty kernel]

Warning Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

[wary tundra]

You just need to update the bios

its really easy

[knotty kernel]

I've never done anything with desktop before so I am clueless

I've been a laptop user all my life

So I'm not sure how to update a bios

Nor did I know you could

[polar goblet]

Hey after reading the features of the EVGA G3 750w it says it has OCP, OVP, UVP, OPP, SCP, OTP... @stoic island

[wary tundra]

since you dont an older generation cpu you would have to do it via usb

[stoic island]

@polar goblet It does have OCP, but it's set sky high

So making it basically useless

lemme find a link to some sources

[rocky wren]

@wary tundra ight cool thank you, any specific mobo/gpu combo you would roll with? Is it still worth grabbing a 450max? For upgrading purposes

[stoic island]

@polar goblet

[polar goblet]

Ah okay. Thanks for that 👌🏼

[wary tundra]

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-flash-a-bios-from-usb @knotty kernel I dont feel like typing all that out so take a look at this

It depends on how much you want to spend @rocky wren

[kind shuttle]

Is the b450 Aorus Elite a decent motherboard

[modern shadow]

Okay

[wary tundra]

yea

[modern shadow]

What do everyone think of gen 3 ryzen? (Ryzen 4000)

[stoic island]

Laptop 3rd gen?

or

what

[wary tundra]

the 450max is good

I didn't read it all the way lol

[foggy hazel]

@modern shadow that it is going to be released later this year.

there is nothing else to "think" about it

because we dont know anything beyond that really

[little osprey]

Are anti static bands recommended while building a pc

[sullen spoke]

they are recommended but if you are careful enough and know how to avoid static charge it is not needed

[foggy hazel]

i use one when at work, because accidents happen.

and it is simpler to have that band on and trip on it, about once a week, vs having to get yelled at from the newest manager trainee that is bored

[floral tree]

Just use a livestrong bracelet

[mighty sapphire]

What is drive cages?

[modern shadow]

places where you put drives?

yeah

[mighty sapphire]

The case I was looking at says my graphics card won’t fit with drive cages in I’d have to remove them?

Says max video card length: 280mm with drive cages and 420mm without drive cages

Mine is 286.5mm

[foggy hazel]

you most likely wont be using the drive cages @mighty sapphire

remind me again, what case are you looking at?

[mighty sapphire]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FP3mP6/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dwt

[stoic island]

p400a back in stock eh

[foggy hazel]

i must admit, i dont see the problem, based on the picture on phanteks page

[mighty sapphire]

Yes! @stoic island my mobo will be here sooner now too by about a week!

@foggy hazel I was super confused by it too

But that was the sizes listed on pcpartpicker

[stoic island]

I'm thinking maybe a drive (mounted on green) could interfere with a GPU (on red)

but if you just use the top drive mount, you should be fine

[foggy hazel]

except, thats not the standard mount location @stoic island

[stoic island]

What do you mean?

[foggy hazel]

https://puu.sh/FBdIu/53702c888b.jpg

see bottom front, just on top the shroud

[stoic island]

Interesting

[foggy hazel]

thats the "standard" place for the drives to be (on the front that is) because that is after all, location 3 and 4)

(location 1 and 2 being on the back, under the shroud)

[stoic island]

Well, whoever listed it on pcpp might've listed those drive mounts

[foggy hazel]

its most likely a listing like the b450 bios one

"better to warn"

in short @mighty sapphire dont worry about it. But it is good to see you noticed it and asked about it :)

[mighty sapphire]

And I found this so I don’t think it will effect it either since there’s so many other places for them. And I’m starting with just the ssd anyways

[lyric thistle]

Wait how would those be 3.5" drives lol

The rectangles are smaller than the actual 3.5" bays

Wait are they

I guess not

[foggy hazel]

@lyric thistle they are flat, with the ends of the drives towards the purple areas

it wont affect you at all @mighty sapphire

[lyric thistle]

Yeah, the 3.5" bay rectangles are really wide in that picture

[foggy hazel]

because of the "sleds" they are on

[mighty sapphire]

Awesome! I just wanted to double check in case that’s the one I go with! I haven’t added it to the build yet I was just checking to make sure my gpu will fit because I know it’s bigger than most

[lyric thistle]

Making it look like the 3.5" bay drives are huge compared to the other 3.5" mount rectangles

[foggy hazel]

thats just someone derping with the lines

[lyric thistle]

Yeah

The bays are normal width at closer glance anyways

[foggy hazel]

aye

and the front ones, are something along this https://www.fractal-design.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/7-HDD-Cage-2_webb.png

[lyric thistle]

Interesting

So they're bays that you mount yourself?

[foggy hazel]

except that phanteks looks derpy as all hell

aye, beyond the included 2 below the shroud, it seems like it

aye, just checked phanteks site, only 2 (bays total) included

for 3.5 drives that is

[mighty sapphire]

I’m not a huge fan of it lol I don’t like how the bottom fan gets covered by the front cover lol but eh it’s not “for me” so 🤷🏼‍♀️

[foggy hazel]

it doesnt matter one actual bit in the grand scheme of things

its "good enough"

[mighty sapphire]

Have you guys ever seen or heard of one being arranged like this?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WNGN9X4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_m0sOEbCENSXGX

[lyric thistle]

Kinda reminds me of old Dell computers or something

[mighty sapphire]

I’ve never seen one where the gpu stands up like that!

[lyric thistle]

The rear I/O looks like it goes on top?

Which is pretty neat ngl

[foggy hazel]

@mighty sapphire the Raven series of cases has it like that

the Fortress series has it like that too

https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/708916/b/bd/bd4a8e6d_silverstonerv03bottomradiatorsupport.jpeg

https://img.hexus.net/v2/chassis/Silverstone/FT03/FT03-05.jpg

raven first, fortress second

[lyric thistle]

I like that

[foggy hazel]

i have a mini fortress somewhere

(its for itx boards)

the one above is for m-atx

[mighty sapphire]

That’s so different! Does it really put less stress on the gpu like it advertises?

[foggy hazel]

100% PR wet dream bs

think about it like this

Take a card, any card

dont turn it on, but dont tell anyone that you didnt

make a claim that your card lasts FOREVER!!!!!

congrats, you have just joined PR class 101 for part manufacturers

[eager chasm]

It changes the shearing forces and points of stress but a heavy card is still a heavy card

Nothing beats a good support arm

[lyric thistle]

I like smol cards

Like the Zotac twin fan cards

1650 Super

[little osprey]

Hi

[little osprey]

Can anyone help me?

I got a problem with my yoke

[stoic island]

Yoke?

[sudden turret]

flight stuff

[stoic island]

ah

[lyric thistle]

Certainly, birds are flight stuff

[queen parcel]

I have an trouble deciding what prebuilt to buy.

*I am having

[stoic island]

We would recommend building it yourself.

[queen parcel]

I want to but my mother thinks I'm gonna set the house on fire

[stoic island]

lmfao

[lyric thistle]

Tbh the prebuilt would do that more than the one I'd build

Smh moms why you gotta be this way

[queen parcel]

fr

I'm looking at NZXT Streaming PC

[stoic island]

Some prebuilts have shi-horrible power supplies

I mean

Lemme make a list with better specs than the nzxt streaming pc probably for less $

[kindred solar]

anyone have a gtx 1650 build here

[stoic island]

for how much

[fast dust]

Why 1650?

[stoic island]

Because I have a 2070 super build for 1000$

[queen parcel]

Here are the specs on the NZXT streaming PC
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK

• 4 RAM slots
• 5 USB ports
• 8 audio jacks
• 1 PS/2 port
• 1 USB Type C
• 1 Ethernet port
• 1 HDMI port

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core 3.6GHz
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER - ASUS EVO OC
RAM: Team T-FORCE Vulcan Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3200MHz
Storage: Intel 660p 1.0 TB
Power Supply: EVGA 600W BR Bronze

Monitor: ASUS VG278QR 27" 1080P 165Hz Adaptive Sync

Accessories: MSI MS-B905C WIFI

2-year warranty on all parts & labor

[stoic island]

Yea I know

I saw it

[queen parcel]

alright

[little osprey]

@queen parcel for how much?

[kindred solar]

im just tryna find out a good cpu for the gtx 1650

im going with the i5-4690k

[fast dust]

Sure that’d be okay

[little osprey]

without the monitor?

[kindred solar]

imma upgrade from i5-4570

[queen parcel]

@little osprey $1500

[fast dust]

That upgrade is not needed

[kindred solar]

reaaly

[queen parcel]

With monitor is like $1750

[stoic island]

This is a list that is basically the same, if not better than that nzxt streaming pc for 200$ less
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yDBdzN

[little osprey]

[kindred solar]

well my game barely runs with all low settings

720*1280 p

[little osprey]

considering i have .33 in my bank account that is a large number

[fast dust]

You’re just getting a little bit more performance. If you get an upgrade it should be at least a 30% performance increase

Those low settings are likely because of of a bad GPU

[kindred solar]

it is a huge gpu bottleneck

the gpu uses only 30 percent of its power

[stoic island]

How's this, talk to your mother about building a PC as a hobby, you'll do research on it, and save money. @queen parcel

[fast dust]

The resolution doesn’t matter as much on a CPU

[cold sorrel]

And parts these days are not as fragile as ages past. You have to really try to break them, as long as you remember to be mindful of static electricity.

[queen parcel]

Thank you @stoic island for the help! Lets hope this changes her mind

[kindred solar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3vRkk2lpew

[fast dust]

You should not be getting a CPU bottleneck with a 1650

[stoic island]

oh rip

[kindred solar]

i am

my cpu usage is at 100 pecent

and my gpu usage is about at 30-40

[fast dust]

Then crank up your resolution to 1080p

[kindred solar]

then my textures dont load in

[cold sorrel]

What CPU do you have?

[kindred solar]

i5 4570

[fast dust]

Then something’s gotta be wrong with your CPU

[stoic island]

wdym your texture don't load in

turn up your 3d rendering

that's a different setting in fortniet

[fast dust]

I’ve seen people with worse CPUs with better GPUs and be fine with it 🤷

[kindred solar]

erally

like whta

[stoic island]

theres a setting for resolution, and a setting for 3d rendering

[fast dust]

Yeah man i5-2400 paired with RX 470 or 570

[stoic island]

I used to play fortnite

[fast dust]

All those Optiplex builds

[stoic island]

fortnights ago

[kindred solar]

is any thermal paste fien

can some find me the cheapest thermal paste

[stoic island]

Arctic mx-4

[fast dust]

Um don’t get cheap thermal paste

[stoic island]

I think thats a good cheap one

[fast dust]

Yeah MX-4 is really good

[stoic island]

I mean all thermal paste are cheap

<10$

[kindred solar]

https://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9B-2MB-000S-00016&source=region&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleBiz-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleBiz-PC-_-pla-_-CPU+Thermal+Paste+%2F+Grease-_-9B-2MB-000S-00016&&lid=92700006826230738&ds_s_kwgid=58700000466790411&ds_e_product_group_id=88286927713&ds_e_product_store_id=&ds_e_ad_type=pla&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000001003449&gclid=CjwKCAjw-YT1BRAFEiwAd2WRtiNhr7q-ZzszbC1oOZXblfyEHTmhmpZyKw-CUDG-YhAOcsHCUUXLexoCDlYQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

this it?

[stoic island]

Newegg business eh

https://www.newegg.com/arctic-cooling-ac-mx4/p/2MB-000S-00016?Description=mx4&cm_re=mx4-_-2MB-000S-00016-_-Product

[kindred solar]

aight

[fast dust]

I mean it’s pretty cheap but when someone says cheap paste I assume less than $5

[kindred solar]

imma order that

i got a 60 dollar budget anways

so im getting a 50 dollar cpu

and a 10 dollar paste

[little osprey]

did i hear

$50 cpu

what cpu?

[lyric thistle]

One core out of an Athlon 3000G

[fast dust]

@little osprey The i5-4570

[little osprey]

oh

[kind shuttle]

@stoic island

[stoic island]

Yes?

[kind shuttle]

is this ssd https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L6GF81L/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

better than...

one sec

[stoic island]

yes

[kind shuttle]

https://www.newegg.com/crucial-p1-1tb/p/N82E16820156199?Description=crucial 1tb ssd&cm_re=crucial_1tb_ssd-_-20-156-199-_-Product&quicklink=true

this ones a tad cheaper

its 110 vs 130

[stoic island]

the a80 is better, but both are good SSDs

a80 is faster and has a better controller.

Both has dram.

[kind shuttle]

will I notice I difference because if not I'd rather go w the cheaper one

rather is there a noticeable difference

[stoic island]

Likely not a significant difference. It would be like 1000mb/s compared to 2500mb/s, it would be useful if you need speeds that high, but it's not noticeable for day to day tasks.

[kind shuttle]

for gaming?

thats a day to day task for me but not for everyone 😛

[stoic island]

Yea

Load times would be like you know 9 seconds vs 8 seconds, you'll barely notice it

[kind shuttle]

worth 20 dollars?

prolly not

[stoic island]

Probably not

[kind shuttle]

but I already ordered the a80

[stoic island]

Well, you can enjoy the extra seconds you saved

[kind shuttle]

lemme see if I can cancel free

[stoic island]

it's useful in games that has slow load times

[scenic heath]

Hmm I’m genuinely confused

[kind shuttle]

thats the benefit of these crazy shipping times

u got lots of time to change ur mind

[scenic heath]

So I got my pc case swapped out and I bought a icue fan hub and all of the fans glow except the back one

So I tried plugging it into one of the ports that the other fan was plugged into and it worked

[stoic island]

I usually like to recommend the a80 when the budget fits. Just because seconds in day to day life turns into minutes then into hours

[scenic heath]

So now I might need to get another one because it’s defective

[stoic island]

Well, contact corsair for a RMA then.

They'll try to fix your issue, if they can't, they'll ask you to ship that one back and they'll ship you a new one.

[scenic heath]

That’s such a headache

[safe field]

I thought I read A500

Glad to see I misread

[stoic island]

..?

[buoyant flame]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[kind shuttle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ifishman26/saved/

https://www.amazon.com/Equipped-Supported-Motherboard-B450M-PRO-MicroATX/dp/B07PV9HGK4/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=asus+tuf+b450+pro+gaming&qid=1587665891&sr=8-2

is that the same mobo I have except w/ RGB

[buoyant flame]

The one in your pcpp list also has the same rgb

[kind shuttle]

why is it showing out of stock then

if its the same thing

[buoyant flame]

that was being sold from newegg

the other is from amazon

[kind shuttle]

also should i Get the mATX or ATX if theyre the same

same price

[buoyant flame]

if theyre the same price and your case can fit a ATX board theres no real difference

whatever you prefer

[kind shuttle]

its my first build I dont have preferences

hehe

is one easier or harder to build w/

[buoyant flame]

I personally like mATX boards, which is ironic becaue i have the atx version of that board

[kind shuttle]

haha ok

whats the different

[buoyant flame]

More pcie lanes basically

maybe more fan headers or something like that

[stoic island]

um

I'm pretty sure they're the exact same

other than pcb size

[kind shuttle]

whats pcb

[stoic island]

brb

the board

Plastic Circuit Board

[kind shuttle]

ah

so it doesnt really matter at all then

good to know

[safe field]

@stoic island never heard of the A500?

[buoyant flame]

Unless you need more PCIEX1 slots which im sure you don't then ya no difference

[stoic island]

nope

[safe field]

It's that

air cooler

Corsair made

[stoic island]

oh

[safe field]

the one that sucks

[stoic island]

Hyper

[safe field]

[stoic island]

we were talking about SSDs

[safe field]

yes I know

[stoic island]

I thought there was some other A500 ssd

[safe field]

it took me a while

[stoic island]

god damn it

[safe field]

🤣

apply some A500 to that crap

[stoic island]

like crucial has a bx500

[safe field]

yes the A80 is a pog ssd

too bad I have a Dogfish SSD

[buoyant flame]

Also i believe the atx version has one more usb port on the rear io lol

[safe field]

[stoic island]

side note, looks like b450m has 1 less chassis fan header

thats all I can tell

[buoyant flame]

nvm didn't see we moved past that conversation lmao

and the pciex1

and i usb

but thats it i think

[stoic island]

2 less

[buoyant flame]

2 less what?

[stoic island]

2 less x1 slots

[buoyant flame]

oh ya

[latent storm]

hey the phanteks amp is in stock rn

[stoic island]

Just in time

Revolution d.f 650w went out of stock

[raw igloo]

@foggy hazel my i 9 9900k came in today. Going to return it like you said. Only going to miss the box 😦

[stoic island]

So, still can't do anything with second m.2 drive, it just doesn't show up...

@foggy hazel any ideas? If you're available.

Also, I doubt it matters, but the front and side panels are off drying bc I was cleaning them.

[cursive wharf]

What is 2nd M2 drive?

[stoic island]

A sata team MS30

512gb

Missing the second m.2 screw so I have to hold it

[cursive wharf]

Unlikely to be this problem but does second slot support SATA?

[stoic island]

I'll have to check actually

wtffff

M.2_2 doesn't list sata

[cursive wharf]

I haven't seen a mobo that doesn't support SATA for 2nd slot. But have for NVMe

[stoic island]

That's weird lmao

[cursive wharf]

Which board it it?

[stoic island]

MSI B450 gaming pro carbon ac

I got a MP510 in M.2_1 rn