#building-and-recc-chat

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scenic heath
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If I swap out a case I don't need to re-download everything right?

stoic island
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No

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you only need to re download if you change your drives out

scenic heath
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Alright perfect thanks!

wide sparrow
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So when like this it should be able to suck the air in?

scenic heath
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oo you have a enthoo evolv

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?

wide sparrow
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600s

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first build

scenic heath
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Nice Case

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Good Luck!

wide sparrow
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Yeah

stoic island
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idk I just plugged em in and felt which way it blew

cold sorrel
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I admit I'm staying Nvidia because that's what I like. Though, the funny thing about my next desktop being an AMD machine... my last desktop was an AMD. (For context, I stopped using that about ten years ago because I got a laptop. I've had a string of laptops since, but am ready to shift back to having a desktop machine.)

wide sparrow
stoic island
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bruh WHAT

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@wide sparrow I have it pushing out back using d15

humble rivet
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I've never seen anyone use back for intake and front for exhaust

stoic island
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nor have I

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it doesn't really make sense to me

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Your GPU is going to get choked with hot air, since any air intake for the gpu would have to go through the d15

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If you do it the other way around, some fresh air from the front would go to the GPU, and some to the CPU.

celest horizon
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In that picure, you have front intake, top/rear exhaust. That's normal.

stoic island
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oh sorry then

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I cant tell which way they blow

latent storm
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my case case 😳

wide sparrow
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D15 is impossible to screw in
....

stoic island
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wdym

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@wide sparrow did you do it correctly?

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theres little plastic things that make the bracket higher if you didn't use those

wide sparrow
stoic island
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wdym im possible to screw in then

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you have to hold it down a little

blazing steppe
stoic island
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question

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why intel

blazing steppe
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uhhh

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i don't have experience with ryzen

stoic island
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...And why not start now with a new build?

blazing steppe
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i guess...

stoic island
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2000$ budget I assume?

blazing steppe
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yes

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do you have a better config?

stoic island
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I can make a better config

blazing steppe
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thx

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for your help

stoic island
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And thats splurging on componets

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I can easily shave like 200$ off that for the same performance, but look a bit worse with some fiddling.

wide sparrow
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I did it

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needed help

stoic island
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?

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what do you need JP

analog hearth
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@lime forge why do you need so much power?

sullen spoke
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that pic is so bright

stoic island
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blur

sharp viper
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so im getting new fans and i plan on doing top and rear for exhaust and front for pull.. is that right or should i do it another way

next kestrel
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@stoic island Wouldnt it be better to get a 1tb nvme instead of a 500gb and a hard drive

stoic island
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@next kestrel no, if they need 2tb+ storage, they need 2tb+ storage.

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also, p34a80 1tb is out of stock so :p

next kestrel
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oh they needed 2tb

stoic island
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they had 2tb in their first build, and I was building their build with little adjustments

next kestrel
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I dont have a lot of large files and even on my old pc I never passed 500gb

stoic island
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I gave them a list 200$ below their budget so they can spend it all on anything

next kestrel
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that i used for like 4 years

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use the 200$ to upgrade the thermal paste

stoic island
next kestrel
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do you edit videos?

stoic island
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Yes actually lol

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most of the things on the D drive are videos

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C drive is games

next kestrel
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yeah I've never messed with that

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but dang 700gb

stoic island
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actually wait

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my raw videos are on my C drive

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I delete those periodically once I edit them

modern shadow
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Is this good?

next kestrel
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This part list is private.

stoic island
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games take up a lot of space it seems

next kestrel
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damn

modern shadow
next kestrel
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ig i havent downloaded enough games

stoic island
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only on epic because my AMD rewards thing redeemed them on epic, and free games

next kestrel
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@modern shadow u might want faster ram, I think they sell ripjaws for like 10 dollars more

modern shadow
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okay

stoic island
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yea

next kestrel
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also idk if u already have the part, but u might wanna go with the 1660 super?

stoic island
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3600mhz cl16

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those are likt 85 last I checked

modern shadow
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I already have it

next kestrel
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should be fine

modern shadow
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I want to save for a upgrade like a rtx

next kestrel
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looks fine otherwise

stoic island
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psu looks iffy

next kestrel
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unless u want to oc cpu

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then u need new fan

stoic island
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psu is pretty bad, tier c

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970 evo is expensive, go with the silicon power a80 if you can

modern shadow
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yeah, its my first build, so I dont really know what to go with.

stoic island
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make sure its p34a80 if you do go for the a80

next kestrel
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here it is

stoic island
next kestrel
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wait does ripjaws oc?

stoic island
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not that much

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good ocing ram are usually 3200cl14

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b die

modern shadow
stoic island
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but expensive as heck

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nah

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212 evo not worth imo

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not that big of a increase in cooling

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compared to stock

modern shadow
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But then what do I get for oc?

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@stoic island

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should I also choose another psu?

stoic island
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Yes

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At least get Corsair cx

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CPU cooler prices and availability are wacky rn so...

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Can't just point you to like a nh-u12s or smth

modern shadow
stoic island
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Yea, cx is the cheapest acceptable one imo

modern shadow
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yeah its a budget build anyways

stoic island
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Consult the PSU tier list if you want other options

next kestrel
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man i wish noctua was cheap

modern shadow
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do I need that extra hdd?

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the 2tb one

stoic island
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Imo yea just in case

upper condor
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@lime forge is that build in build pics urs?

lime forge
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@upper condor its my dads

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but i built it

stoic island
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I relate Noctua with quality cooling components. The brown and beige embodies enthusiast performance, and valuing performance over look.

wide sparrow
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There's a triangle on the lower one seen here

stoic island
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just do it

wide sparrow
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OK lol

sick wren
crimson whale
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Hello.

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Also have you plug it in?

deft cradle
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okay well, I was updating my windows 10, and when it did the restart, it basically never went past the booting up

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plug in what?

crimson whale
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The power cord.

deft cradle
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like

crimson whale
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Is it froze?

deft cradle
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it does boot up but it crashes

crimson whale
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is it on still?

deft cradle
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sorry its really late and im tired

crimson whale
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But can you get into the BIOS?

deft cradle
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how do you do that?

crimson whale
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What motherboard do you have?

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Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte.

deft cradle
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oh jeez Id have to look cuz i dont remember exactly which one, it is RoG so i imagine asus?

crimson whale
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Del for Asus

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delete key for

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Asus motherboard.

deft cradle
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so do i hold it when booting it?

crimson whale
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Check if your hard drive connected.

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just keep pressing it until the BIOS open.

deft cradle
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okay! im here

crimson whale
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Now go under Boot setting.

deft cradle
crimson whale
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Under Boot Option What drive are shown?

deft cradle
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the one shown and disabled

crimson whale
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You only have one hard drive correct?

deft cradle
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yes

crimson whale
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Now is your OS set to UEFI mode or Normal mode?

deft cradle
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I am not entirely sure

crimson whale
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You can also change it to fast boot.

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To boot faster.

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You can also go to Boot Configuration.

deft cradle
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okay but

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to be clear

crimson whale
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Try to go to Boot Override and select that drive.

deft cradle
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when i boot it it crashes and when i try to repair it, or reset my pc with my files it crashes, using the command promt with sfc /scannow also gives an error

crimson whale
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Now did you upgrade your ram by any chance?

deft cradle
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not at all, havent touched it since i built it

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like 8 months ago

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why is ram relevant though? i have had a few issues with crashing that i think were due to ram

crimson whale
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Now is the same the same clock speed?

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Ram the same clock speed and timing?

deft cradle
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how do i check its current speed?

crimson whale
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Ai Tweaker

deft cradle
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okay it says DRAM frequency is 2133MHz

crimson whale
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Try to remove one stick. you might have bad ram.

deft cradle
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unsure what the original was

crimson whale
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Doesn't matter. If the Clock are difference you could encounter that problem.

deft cradle
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okay

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i have 2 sticks of 8 gb ram

crimson whale
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When you reset your computer or Update your bios.

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You didn't upgrade to 8 to 16 did you?

deft cradle
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ill remove one tomorrow because i have to take out the tools to open the chassis

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no

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i always had 16 gb

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since i built it

crimson whale
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Only remove one stick it could help boot the computer. Now ram can go bad.

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You could unplugged it and power it back on with no problem. But if you restart it will cause issue.

deft cradle
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reatart it?

crimson whale
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Did you restart your computer? When you updated it.

deft cradle
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yes

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it asked me to, after the update installation

crimson whale
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And is it an Asus ROG STrix b450 f motherboard.

deft cradle
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that does sound familiar

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lemme see actually i think i have the box

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Yes! its exactly that actually

crimson whale
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I have that same board and my failed within 6 month of use. ASUS support called it a power null issue.

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You didn't get it RMA did you. You might ended up with my motherboard.

deft cradle
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RMA?

crimson whale
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return manufacturer authorization.

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Computer parts have a warranty if something goes bad.

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It only for one year.

deft cradle
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I have warranty I believe, I bought it from newegg too

crimson whale
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or 3 i could be wrong.

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If it from NewEgg they'll help you see what could be wrong. But my failed before and Asus support is not really good sending back a good motherboard.

deft cradle
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that sucks :(

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if I replace the motherboard will things be normal? will I be able to keep my files?

crimson whale
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Keep in mind if you swapped the board. you need to reactivate windows 10 again. As long you have a Retail version of Windows 10 pro you should be good.

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But if you have a second computer you can take the files off that drive and backup your data first before doing it.

deft cradle
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i have a second laptop

crimson whale
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If you have windows safe mode enable you can press the f8 key.

deft cradle
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how do I back up my data? do i take the hard drive out and connect it to my laptop?

crimson whale
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It Shift +F8

deft cradle
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when it boots? on which machine?

crimson whale
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Is your Drive an M.2 or SSD?

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Port

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Or does it take Sata port.

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you can disconnect the drive and connect it by USB.

deft cradle
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its a sata port yes

crimson whale
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adapter.

deft cradle
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hmmmmm okay

crimson whale
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Is it a Solid State drive?

deft cradle
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I dont remember and i bought it on amazon but it should be an SSD i think

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So order of things to try for tomorrow: Remove one stick of ram and retry the repairs

if that doesnt work, then find a new motherboard to use and back up my Hard drive data on my laptop

crimson whale
deft cradle
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okay! illorder this too if the ram removal method doesnt work

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by the way, what motherboard do you recommed? since you have experience with the Strix one

crimson whale
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Did you link your windows 10 account to your email it will help activate windows better.

deft cradle
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I believe I did yes

crimson whale
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I like Gigabyte.

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OR MSI. But never Asrock.

deft cradle
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i tried MSI when i built my computer but it never turned on haha

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had to return the board twice before deciding to just go with strix RoG

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i trust gygabyte though

crimson whale
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Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite will do.

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It has PCIe 4.0

deft cradle
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Is it the same size?

crimson whale
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Is it an ATX motherboard?

deft cradle
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Should be I think

crimson whale
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or mATX?

deft cradle
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Lemme check

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ATX sounds more likely

crimson whale
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Supports Gen 3 ryzen.

deft cradle
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Yeah its ATX

crimson whale
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You can also check on New Egg if it on sale.

deft cradle
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Also i use this cpu

crimson whale
deft cradle
crimson whale
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It should support it. It a newer motherboard.

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You have the Ryzen Gen 2.

deft cradle
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okay!

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which of the two motherboards is better?

crimson whale
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The 200.00.

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Due to having rgb.

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But the other one is budget.

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But try to get your computer working before you buy a new board.

deft cradle
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Of course, Ill do the ram stick thingie

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Thank you so much! Ill come back tomorrow if i still have issues with it

crimson whale
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Also if you are running an Radeon card I would upgrade to a RX 5700.

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or XT.

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$320 dollars card. It uses PCIe 4.0 slots.

deft cradle
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Right now I just want my computer to work since I have homework to do

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And some of the data i need is there

crimson whale
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Try to uplugged it from the wall.

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And plug it back in.

deft cradle
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Hmmmm okay

crimson whale
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Shut it off first.

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If your in BIOs you can shut if off.

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I mean unplugged it.

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Make sure your RGB is fully off.

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hold power button while it unplugged.

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until the RGB light is off.

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And plug it back in and power it back on.

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If that doesn't work remove one ram during while it unplugged and fully shut off.

deft cradle
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Nope

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Still wont work

crimson whale
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Did you remove one stick of ram?

deft cradle
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No, just the power thing

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I said i need to get the tools and id do it tomorrow

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Its 3:30 am

crimson whale
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You can't plugged it.

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Unplugged it?

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If your in the BIOS Unplugged the computer.

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It safe to do so.

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Like the power cord.

deft cradle
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Okay so qhen im on the RoG BIOS i just unplug it from the wall?

crimson whale
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Yes.

deft cradle
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Okay

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Lemme try

crimson whale
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Once it unplugged. Hold the power button.

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To power Cycle it.

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for 15 seconds.

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then Plug it back in and turn it on.

deft cradle
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I tried this earlier but ill try again

crimson whale
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no need to go to the bios.

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If that doesn't work reset bios setting.

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By going into Boot.

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Also if windows failed to load it will try to launch safe mode.

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If you get a blue screen.

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It will try to fix itself.

deft cradle
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Yeah but i have arrived to that blue screen

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Gotten to the safe mode

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And nothing from the troubleshooting options work

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From restoring from the update to resetting the pc

crimson whale
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Try resetting the PC.

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You will lose your Software but not your files.

deft cradle
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I did try

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It gives me an error

crimson whale
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?

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What the error code?

deft cradle
crimson whale
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press cancel?

deft cradle
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it just boots back and crashes again

crimson whale
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if it load the Blue screen

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Do you get this type of error?

deft cradle
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Yes

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But none of the options help

crimson whale
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This might help you out.

deft cradle
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Ill try it tomorrow

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Im pretty tired right now

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And ill attempt this on a clear mind

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But im super thankful for your help!

crimson whale
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System Restore will help you out.

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If you had an update fail.

deft cradle
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I tried that earlier and it said something among the lines of "No previous state was found"

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Yeah no restore points have been created

crimson whale
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Also tried Statup Repair.

deft cradle
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That doesnt work either

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Just crashes again and sends me back here

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System Image recovery wont work either because it cant also find a system image

crimson whale
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You might need to use a Windows 10 disk. It might fix your Os.

deft cradle
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Im setting up a USB stick with the windows recovery drive but i read that it deletes your personal files so ill look for a disk?

crimson whale
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You can download this and it does help you restore your computer.

deft cradle
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Can i set that up ib a usb?

crimson whale
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But watch that video first before you do anything advance but I'm going ot bed.

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Yes.

deft cradle
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Okay

crimson whale
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You can.

deft cradle
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So in order

crimson whale
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But you need more then 8GB like 16GB is recommanded.

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Make sure you use windows 10.

deft cradle
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Watch video, if that doesnt work then use a winfdows 10 disk, if that doesnt work then remove a ram catridge, and finally get a diff. Motherboard as a last resort

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I will

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Thanks again for your help!

crimson whale
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Try to clean install your OS and backup your data.

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You can connect the SSD to the USB.

deft cradle
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I will

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But thats only for the last resort part right?

crimson whale
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Unless your downloaded a virus it could be an issue. Just don't take my advice talk to email newegg support. they'll get you a replacement board.

deft cradle
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Okay

crimson whale
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But it could be bad ram. So take my advice on that.

deft cradle
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I scanned my co.puter before updating and windows defender didnt find any threats

crimson whale
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Memory issue can cause that.

deft cradle
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So its probably not a virus

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Okay

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Ill keep all of this in mind

crimson whale
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Also try windows memory diagnostic tool on that Ram chip.

deft cradle
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Okay

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Uh oh

crimson whale
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But test one of the stick at a time.

deft cradle
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Its not showing the proper directory files that should be in C

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Ill just go to bed, the more i think about this the worse ill feel

crimson whale
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Your OS missing?

deft cradle
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there should be a lot more files there, like user, program files and such, its the C root

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ill just tackle this tomorrow

crimson whale
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Do it tomorrow connect that drive to another computer. If you have a friend with a pc he'll try to get those files back.

little osprey
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So I finalized my build, buying it on the 17th

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Total price is 1027.93 USD

fossil kraken
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whats the best gpu+cpu combo under 800

buoyant flame
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Theres no perfect option. What are you going to be using it for

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If you're video editing a 3900x and a 2060 would be a good combo. If your just gaming a 3600 and a 2080 could fit.

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A good combo of both would be a 3700x and a 2070 super tho

analog hearth
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I would say 3700X and any Nvidia GPU that's better than a 2060. you don't really need eight cores, but if you have the budget, why not? better future resisting

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but if you don't need the GPU now, wait for Nvidia 3000

buoyant flame
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I heard the 3000 series is going to be expensive

analog hearth
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don't doubt it

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but I'd still wait to see

buoyant flame
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It was a leak website so I don't know how legit it is but the cheapest was projected to be 800

analog hearth
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oh I doubt that

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Nvidia isn't that stupid

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that's like, entry-level professional prices

buoyant flame
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Ya

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That was for their supposed 3070 tho

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They didn't say there was going to be a 3060

analog hearth
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oh then knowing Nvidia, that might happen

buoyant flame
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

analog hearth
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considering they jacked prices significantly from 900 to 1000 to 2000

buoyant flame
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Yep lol

analog hearth
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like I want an Nvidia GPU but if they keep pulling crap like this I won't be able to buy one

buoyant flame
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I'll just keep my 1060 forever I guess

analog hearth
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pfft thanks Nvidia

buoyant flame
analog hearth
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like a 5700 XT is apparently better than a 2070 Super and costs less

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and AMD's drivers are actually getting better

buoyant flame
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Supposedly

compact salmon
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Hello guys

buoyant flame
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Whats up

compact salmon
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I have questions regarding ordering parts and stuff, is it the right place here?

buoyant flame
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Sure

compact salmon
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So am looking to build a pc from scratch

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for Tensorflow usage

buoyant flame
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Ok

compact salmon
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I was wondering if a GPU of RTX 2060 is the best cheap solution?

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I mean since it has tensorcors

buoyant flame
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Well I believe that the majority of computations are cpu based

wide sparrow
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Nvidia is going too far with those prices.

buoyant flame
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But I don't see any problem with using a 2060

wide sparrow
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They need to stop. They will sell more if its cheaper

compact salmon
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well the issue is that Tensorflow is having this integration with Nvidia

wide sparrow
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I want 3080

compact salmon
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Yes CPU does the majority of computation, but for Tensorflow it can be switched to GPU

buoyant flame
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Well unfortunately I don't know very much about that software so maybe someone else can help you.

foggy hazel
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@compact salmon re: 2060 being the best solution?: that depends entirely on your workload [edit: that]

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re: 2060 being the cheapest solution?: yes, as it is the cheapest card with Tensorcores

narrow rose
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I think if machine learning is the goal the 2060 is rather short on vram

foggy hazel
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depends, again, entirely on what you are trying to do

narrow rose
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very true

raw matrix
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Corsair H115i PLATINUM RGB for $120 should I get it for my 3900x?

woeful agate
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guys

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can anyone config a 3500 CAD gaming/Recording/Light Editing gaming pc?

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3500 Cad budget

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will record at 1080p but will do 1440p gaming

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plsss

sacred obsidian
stoic island
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@sacred obsidian can I ask why you have the G1+ in there? That's a tier B+ PSU when you can buy a Phantek Amp at the same price for a tier A PSU.

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Also, your build is in USD, they asked for a build in cad

woeful agate
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ok thanks @sacred obsidian

sacred obsidian
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well cause im dumb when i saw CAD i was thinking capable of running AutoCAD lmao. I've been talking with my dad about that kind of CAD a lot lately xD

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also g1+ is what i use and what i know off the top of my head without going through the psu tier list lol

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also evga is bae

woeful agate
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uhhh

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these are us sites lol

cursive wharf
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g1+ is kinda meh iirc

sacred obsidian
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its pretty good tho

cursive wharf
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I'd take the AMP tbh

stoic island
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I'm making a list in CAD

sacred obsidian
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shhhhhhhh hei dont make me feel bad about my purchase >:|

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also thank you mr1111 lol

cursive wharf
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@woeful agate Just the PC itself?

stoic island
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Oh yea, monitor or no monitor

cursive wharf
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I wouldn't go P1

stoic island
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Oh wait.. Recording.. I might need to get a better cpu in there, thought they said streaming

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Hei ssd prices are wack can ya just point me towards a good one?

cursive wharf
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cuz more workstation type stuff

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sadly bit pricy but EX950 seems cheapest 1tb

stoic island
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Alright

cursive wharf
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tho then again, cuz CAD makes it seem pricy

woeful agate
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nice

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yeah

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lol

stoic island
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I assume you want to edit your own videos?

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@woeful agate monitor or no monitor

woeful agate
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no monitor

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I already have a 1440p monitor

cursive wharf
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144Hz one?

sacred obsidian
woeful agate
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yess

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thanks boiiii

stoic island
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ok

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one sec

woeful agate
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ya think i should switch aio to air?

sacred obsidian
#

but i was also going for like heavy work station lol

stoic island
sacred obsidian
#

i mean you can get away with the stock cooler if you want

stoic island
#

3900x, d15, 2080ti, 3300cad

cursive wharf
#

DRP4 is cheaper

woeful agate
#

yeah

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its like 200 dollars cheaper

cursive wharf
#

get that 32gb RAM

stoic island
#

alright

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Didn't realize the price difference between d15 and drp4 was that large in canada

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normally usd its like the same price or like 10 usd difference

cursive wharf
#

Still high quality

#

Surprisingly Pro Carbon is at a good price

woeful agate
#

yeah

stoic island
#

I put 650w in bc that leaves a lot of OC headroom, though you prob wont need 650w even under heavy oc

sacred obsidian
#

I would be worried about using that pc with that psu tho. its using 90% of its capability.

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oh mr1111 is already talking about that

woeful agate
#

thanks yalll

stoic island
#

and I'm just a MSI fanboy with the GPU

cursive wharf
#

It's quite fine tho, nothing to really worry about

#

PSUs can do 10% overload sustained quite fine

stoic island
#

Go with Hei's list to save a buck, or spend more on my list for slight few benefits.

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god damn the difference between the mobos is big

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100 cad difference right there

cursive wharf
#

I mean the Pro Carbon price is like the same in number as USD

stoic island
#

yea

cursive wharf
#

$150 USD vs $160 CAD

stoic island
#

damn

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I got mine at like 120usd :D

cursive wharf
#

Decent sale price

woeful agate
#

heh lol

stoic island
#

d15 great

woeful agate
#

I might go with @sacred obsidian 's config but ill change ram, mobo, and gpu

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but anyways thanks!

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you guys are super helpful

sullen spoke
#

indeed

woeful agate
#

@sacred obsidian isn't 64gb of ram too overkill?

sacred obsidian
#

well, yes. but like i said before I thought you meant AutoCAD, not canadian dollars, so I was going for a full on 3d modeling work load pc 😛

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You have the budget for 32 though so i would try to get that.

woeful agate
#

heh lol

stoic island
#

might want to change out the psu still

sacred obsidian
#

you can lol

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honestly mr1111's build is pretty much what you need

woeful agate
#

lol

stoic island
#

lol

wide sparrow
#

you guys need to stop being richDaHeck

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whats your build specs @stoic island

stoic island
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Mine?

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3800x 2070 @wide sparrow

wide sparrow
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alright

stoic island
#

y

wide sparrow
#

knowledge

gaunt remnant
# 
CPU: Intel i7-8700k
GPU: Asus ROG GeForce GTX 1080
Case: Fractal Design Define S2 Vision
Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero WiFi
Memory: Corsair Dominator 32gb 3200MHz
Storage: M2 NVMe Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1tb
PSU: Corsair AX1000 Titanium
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My current build

stoic island
#

ok

gaunt remnant
#

I didn't get the accessories box with my case, so i'm in the process of contacting support to get ti sent

woeful agate
#

I changed the psu to rm850x

stoic island
#

why do you need 850w?

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750w is already overkill

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but Rmx series is good

woeful agate
#

lol i dunno

cursive wharf
#

Rmx is overpriced as well

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good, but overpriced

woeful agate
#

how bout seasonic

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they're good too

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the focus ones

cursive wharf
#

Not to mention not really that great of quality for a 850w PSU. If your PC takes more then a 650w PSU, then you have a dual GPU build or an HEDT CPU. Which you dont have. Either way the build would be like 3k USD

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And a PSU cost should be proportional to the PC cost

woeful agate
#

uhh whats an HEDT cpu lol srry

stoic island
#

only some focus are good

cursive wharf
#

high end desk top

woeful agate
#

oh ok

cursive wharf
#

In general, just phanteks AMP

stoic island
#

Usually meaning like threadripper chips

#

yea the phanteks amp is a great choice price wise and performance wise

cursive wharf
#

voltage ripple/regulation, transient response, protections, modularity, cap quality, etc

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AMP is the best for the price in that regard

woeful agate
#

wait

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are nzxt psus good?

stoic island
#

depends

cursive wharf
#

To go by LTT PSU Tier list standards. If you want 750w+, then get a A+ tier PSU basically

stoic island
#

gotta get specific models lol

woeful agate
#

wat psus would you recommend

stoic island
#

Phanteks Amp.

cursive wharf
#

never seen an NZXT PSU be close in price to any decent PSU that's priced well

stoic island
#

yea

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price matters too

woeful agate
#

ok

#

Phanteks amp then thxxx

#

wait is fractal psus good too?

cursive wharf
#

They're eh in raw quality. Poor in price to perf

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for the best ones at least

gilded fog
#

Is a bios update needed for the ryzen 3 3200 with the b450 tomahawk max

cursive wharf
#

no

gilded fog
#

Bet

cursive wharf
#

It's a "tomahawk max", not a "tomahawk"

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Max means automatic no matter what compatible with 3rd gen

gilded fog
#

Oh

deft cradle
#

@crimson whale Hey update from yesterday: Removing the ram stick allowed me to reset my pc while keeping my personal files

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Unsure if the ram was damaged or if its possible that i had too much ram for the rest of my pc

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Regardless one stick of 8gb did it, unsure if i should purchase a new ram stick or leave it as is

crimson whale
#

No your ram went bad. @deft cradle

deft cradle
#

Okay

crimson whale
#

windows memory diagnostic

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To test it.

deft cradle
#

Oh right!

crimson whale
#

I had that issue dude before.

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thank god you didn't have to go threw asus support. So test the ram to see what bad. But you can buy new ram stick.

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Your ram can go bad if it been 8 month. But also ram have a lifetime warranty on some stick.

#

GSkill and corsair has that RMA returned. But you have to pay to shipped it over.

deft cradle
#

Okay

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I bought mine from newegg so its likely I have the warranty if anything

crimson whale
deft cradle
#

ill test it out soon I wanna finish installing some apps

crimson whale
#

Also when you buy computer part they already do have a limited lifetime warranty on them.

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G skill ram have a Lifetime Warranty.

deft cradle
#

the one i got was evo potenza

crimson whale
#

Dude I think you just bought Bad ram.

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I would go with Corsair or G Skill ram.

deft cradle
#

Okay

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Can I simply replace the ram and not have to do any extra setup?

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ill get a pair rn

crimson whale
#

yea you don't have to reset or os or anything.

deft cradle
#

neat

crimson whale
#

I would get these. Never failed me before.

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3200mhz and from Corsair won't fail.

deft cradle
#

same as these right?

crimson whale
#

or you can buy the 3200mhz.

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those are the 3000mhz.

deft cradle
#

ah

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Okay

crimson whale
#

Unless you want RGB.

deft cradle
#

how would RGB benefit me?

crimson whale
#

Unless you want RGB It for show. But LPX Corsair Ram is fine.

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For low profile ram.

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If your running Air Cool with a big heatsink you might need to buy like low profile ram.

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If your running water cooling buy any ram you feel right.

deft cradle
#

i dont have water cooling

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just normal fan kinda thing

crimson whale
#

Wait your using the Stock fan?

deft cradle
#

stock fan?

crimson whale
#

The one that came with the processors.

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I use this as my AIO cooler.

deft cradle
#

I have the fan that came with my cpu

crimson whale
#

Got my for 50 dollars on a say.

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It stock.

deft cradle
#

the ryzen one i showed you yesterday

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yeah

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I dont have much more money for more parts

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so I went with practical

crimson whale
#

just don't overclock your cpu with a Stock Heatsink.

deft cradle
#

I regularly check my pc temperature and it never went close to overheating

crimson whale
#

Just don't do overclock if your using stock heatsink. that why i went with water cooling.

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silent and it works for me.

deft cradle
#

I dont overclock as Im comfortablr with the speed

crimson whale
#

AT least you got your working again.

deft cradle
#

ye!

crimson whale
#

Don't cheap out ram this time.

deft cradle
#

Thank you so much for your help

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I wont

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I ordered the ones you recommended

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the 3200 ones

crimson whale
#

3200 mhz ram is enough for what you use. C16 is clock speed.

#

Make sure when you upgrade make sure you bought the same exact ram with the same clock speed.

#

I recommanded swapping both rams stick fully.

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Don't mix brand.

cursive wharf
#

Corsair is overpriced tho

#

Also mix brand is fine, it's about freq and timings

#

and rankings

#

etc

crimson whale
#

But could cause issue.

cursive wharf
#

actual specs basically

#

not really

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BIOS just picks worse stick and runs the rest at that

crimson whale
#

I would buy the same manufacture ram.

cursive wharf
#

I wouldn't if it's overpriced

crimson whale
#

Just don't buy RGB. I use the LPX rams stick.

cursive wharf
#

You cant just say "go buy vengence LPX" anyways, because model # can be different

#

different model # means different specs

#

thus same problems

crimson whale
#

I bought LPX before never had issue.

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I use G skill.

cursive wharf
#

issue with that logic
-I never died so therefore I cant die

celest horizon
#

Even more confusing - Corsair is known for putting different memory chip ICs in even the same SKUs of ddr4.
TBH - that's a non-issue unless you're an overclocker nerd.

stoic island
#

I've had many issues with team stuff, but aparently team stuff can be ok

crimson whale
#

What do you recommand fork?

celest horizon
#

Depends on the rest of the pc specs, budget, use case etc.

crimson whale
#

His computer failed due to his ram failing.

deft cradle
#

Well Im a game developer but I don't really do high-end graphics or anything, my pc was running just fine at great speeds but the ram was just being really bad

cursive wharf
#

Are you running at JEDEC , advertised speeds, or OC?

deft cradle
#

I bought the Corsair ones anyway

#

I have no idea what any of those words mean :p

cursive wharf
#

2133, 2400/2600/2933/3000/3200/3600/etc, higher then what the RAM box said

#

Also what CPU and mobo?

crimson whale
#

He a new builder.

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Ryzen

stoic island
#

I have G.skill trident z neo ram, they're the best ram I've ever had, but out of a very small sample size

crimson whale
#

Asus ROG strix b450 f.

cursive wharf
#

1st, 2nd, or 3rd gen CPU?

crimson whale
#

2nd.

little osprey
#

Hol up

cursive wharf
#

Try boost RAM voltage then

crimson whale
#

this was last night.

little osprey
#

Doug i have that same issue

cursive wharf
#

when does it have issues? During boot up, mid session, 100% workload stuff, etc?

crimson whale
#

restart.

deft cradle
#

I got these

crimson whale
#

couldn't go into windows.

little osprey
#

Got the ASUS ROG Strix B450F-Gaming, got 4x8gb 3600mhz and the speeds refuse to go above 2666mhz

cursive wharf
#

Then boost starting RAM voltage

little osprey
#

Mines paired with a Ryzen 7 2700X

cursive wharf
#

idk what the exact BIOS setting is called

#

probs like "cold boot start voltage" or smth

crimson whale
#

Asus board is not really good.

celest horizon
#

Those 3000 cl 16 sticks would be fine for a 2nd gen. Higher than 3200 ish isn't as plug and play.

stoic island
#

I think 3200 is the highest supported

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on 2nd gen

deft cradle
cursive wharf
#

2nd gen still had IMC issues, so memory stuff wasnt really fun sometimes

crimson whale
#

My a ryzen 5 2600 with a bios update.

deft cradle
#

this is my MB

little osprey
#

Corsair Vengeance PRO 32GB 3600mhz

But i cant raise the speeds above 2666mhz or else i get constant bluescreens/failures to boot

crimson whale
#

I don't like the Asus Board at all. I'm going back to gigabyte or Msi.

little osprey
#

lol

cursive wharf
#

@little osprey Have you tried upping the RAM voltage?

little osprey
#

Yea

crimson whale
#

My broke within 6 month of use.

little osprey
#

I tried a few different troubleshooting tricks

cursive wharf
#

played around with timings?

crimson whale
#

b 450 f not even overclock the Support from Asus is a pain to deal with.

little osprey
#

Clear cmos, updated bios, manually set up timings

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Yep

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I was told that my 2700x was the reason behind it

cursive wharf
#

I mean, dumb IMC stuff can happen

#

but can be memory

little osprey
#

I wasnt sure of it so im sort of getting opinions on it

deft cradle
#

I remember that everyone really liked this mb back like 8 months ago ;;

cursive wharf
#

dont really know unless you have more RAM/CPUs

little osprey
#

If i use 2 sticks, 3600mhz works perfectly fine

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But if i throw in the other 2, 2666mhz is the highest itll go

celest horizon
#

3600mhz is asking a lot from 2nd gen ryzen.

cursive wharf
#

didnt even know you could get that high

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for 2nd gen

celest horizon
little osprey
#

My board supports up to 4000mhz or so

#

But the CPU, i dont think it likes it

cursive wharf
#

@deft cradle It's an okay board, Overall specs are adequate. Only real issue with it is that it's usually overpriced

little osprey
#

Atleast with dual channel anyway

celest horizon
#

usually the mobo isn't a hard limit on memory speed.

Exceptions being something like z270 being locked to max 4133MHz unless you bios mod.

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So any limits again are usually just suggestions by the manufacturer to how fast you should expect to be able to clock it.

deft cradle
#

Well, its been bought so I guess no harm done if it works okay

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I just want my pc running good, no need for extremes and such

celest horizon
#

And ya, you're right that it's likely the 2nd gen ryzen IMC that is the limiting factor.

#

Same honestly - I just run 3600 16 18 18 38 on my zen 2 daily machine

little osprey
#

I got

ASUS ROG Strix B450-F Gaming
Ryzen 7 2700X
32GB DDR4 4x8 Corsair Veng. PRO 3600mhz
1060 6GB OC
2.5TB SSD Storage
Corsair CXM650W PSU +80 bronze

Just incase you were wondering. If it helps anyway

celest horizon
#

Oh, ya, 4x8 3600 is definitely at the limit of expected stability for 2nd gen + b450

little osprey
#

Heck

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If i go with a 3rd Gen Ryzen CPU, should i go for the 3600 or the 3600x? or is there something better?

celest horizon
#

Regular 3600 is one of the best values imo.

little osprey
#

And then ill need a board to pair with it, maybe that ASrock Taichi board that a buddy of mine got

#

Because the B450 doesnt support 3rd gen right?

cursive wharf
celest horizon
#

B450 will support 3rd gen with a bios update.

crimson whale
#

I've been having issue is when I unplug my computer it resets my BIOS settings. Something to do with raid. But it keeps the time.

little osprey
#

Ive got it updated to 3003 right mow

#

The most recent bios i could find

crimson whale
#

But I'll back on when I done driving.

little osprey
#

Wait why do you unplug it?

crimson whale
#

I overclock cpu.

little osprey
#

ah

crimson whale
#

It a pain to deal with.

little osprey
#

I do to but i never unplug it, i just flip the switch in the back after i power it off

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When i do overclock that is^

crimson whale
#

But I'm parked right now l.

#

Ibb.

little osprey
#

If i dont use overclocking ill just power it off regularly

exotic lichen
#

Hey I'm looking to upgrade my pc

#

Is a 2600 (non x model) and a 2060 a bottleneck?

stoic island
#

not really

raw matrix
#

what are some nice cases for custom liquid cooling?

#

just want to plan for the future if I can't get this 780t for $100

small mural
#

Yo

crimson whale
#

I'm back right now.

small mural
#

Anyone want to help me diagnose a PC issue??

#

Custom build I did 2 years ago, new issue of non-booting.

crimson whale
#

My Asus ROG STrix has this issue where it reset my bios setting due to raid configuration after the computer been unplugged from the power wall. My CMOS battery is fine and it keep the time even without the internet it doesn't save my bios setting like overclocks.

small mural
#

Oof

crimson whale
#

It a bug even those i don't have a raid setup on it.

#

bios setting been reset after raid configuration failed to start

small mural
#

Mine aint even turning on for more than 2 seconds at a time before resetting itself with no display

crimson whale
#

Check your ram if it failed to post.

#

use one stick to make sure.

#

But if you have your motherboard manual and it shows an error light.

#

It will tell you what wrong.

#

Could be CPU Failure or Ram Failure. But check your video card on another PC if you can. If it not your Video card. it could be your ram or CPU. Check your ram first.

#

If doesn't show the BIOS Post screen it most likely a ram issue.

oblique condor
#

Hi, folks. I'm new here, and I have a question. I'm not an expert on computer builds, but I want to replace the motherboard and CPU of a pre-built tower system I've had for over 10 years. I want to keep the graphics cards , hard drives, and power supply that came with the original. I'm pretty sure the power supply is sufficient. I'm looking at a Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core, 16-thread CPU, but I'm not sure what motherboard to get. Can anyone recommend one that will support a GeForce 9500 GT graphics card (preferably 2), 4 RAM slots, and wireless LAN? I don't need something crazy fast. I don't play games, but I do work involving some rather large databases and a lot of internet searching. Thanks!

viral ore
#

well, if you want to keep using your 9500gt, you dont really need a 3700x at all

#

unless this is a server or something

#

wait

#

haha, I illiterate sometimes

stoic island
#

prebuilds sometimes have PSUs that use proprietary connections

viral ore
#

what PSU do you have? it probably should be replaced now

stoic island
#

Make sure your psu has a 24 pin mobo connector if you're really keen on keeping it.

viral ore
#

regardless if its compatable or not, i would suggest getting a new one

#

heres your board, its on sale too

oblique condor
#

The psu has the 24 pin connector. It was using am old evga motherboard, but for some reason, it was painfully slow, and prone to failure during bootup. the old processor was an early I7 as far as I can tell. I just couldn't take the slow performance anymore.

viral ore
#

can you send the PSU model?

#

usually after 10 years of operation, the caps in a PSU are prone to fail

#

oh, youre gonna need new ram too

#

cuz DDR4

oblique condor
#

I'll have to pull the psu nexst week. The spec info is not visible as it's mounted. But I can always buy a new one, if needed. I drive a truck for a living, and I need to get to bed so I can get up REAL early in the morning.

#

Yeah, I know I need new RAM. That's cool.

viral ore
#

basically, youre gonna need a whole new system. You dont want to use an OEM psu after 10 YEARS of use

#

trust me on this one

buoyant flame
#

^ agreed

viral ore
#

the gpu is fine ig

#

i mean, if it works, no reason not to use it lmao

buoyant flame
#

Look at this great deal on that gpu sassyfish 😂

viral ore
#

WALMART

#

lmao

#

i wonder if they actually have 2 in stock

#

after like 12 years

buoyant flame
#

Ya lmao

viral ore
#

or if this is just another forgotten stock page

buoyant flame
#

Walmart isn't playing around. They bought all these gpus and they're gonna sell all those gpus whether you like it or not

#

Buy one to find out ROFLEgg

viral ore
#

its not even worth trying to order it

#

i wouldnt put my money on the line

buoyant flame
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

humble rivet
#

Is it just me or is $440 a bit to much for a gpu that's 12 years old?

stoic island
#

nope
not at all

#

jk

humble rivet
#

I thought it would be like 50 top and I would buy one just for the memes but that's a bit ludicrous

sullen spoke
#

depends if it's new or used

#

some older hardware is overpriced if you try to buy new

humble rivet
#

I wonder if I could sell my old 750m for 200🤔

stoic island
#

nope

#

jk idek

humble rivet
#

Maybe if people weren't so worried about carona id try but I don't think anyone buying anything off Craigslist rn

pine haven
#

what's the URL for that custom build site that has configurations for builds and links to buy?

humble rivet
#

Pcpartpicker?

pine haven
#

Thank you

#

Sorry I did an awful job explaining there

humble rivet
#

Yeah np

wide sparrow
#

@stoic island fellow noctua user. The last screws you tighten with the d-15...you go all the way to the base?

pine haven
#

What's the consensus on the Gen 10 Intel chips?

stoic island
#

wdym all the way to the base

#

I just did as far as it goes

#

@wide sparrow ?

wide sparrow
#

you just answered my question

#

thx (:

teal bison
#

@pine haven even intel said they werent going to keep up with AMD

round river
#

Is there a cooler that’s better than the wraith stealth cooler for less than 50 bucks? (preferably $30)

#

Max height is 158mm

buoyant flame
#

Wraith prism

teal bison
#

@round river gammaxx 400

#

above that, 34 esports duo, and above that scythe fuma 2

raw matrix
#

this is one of the weirdest but cool cases I've seen today

#

lowkey thought of kylo ren when I saw it

pine haven
#

@pine haven even intel said they werent going to keep up with AMD
@teal bison not helpful

teal bison
#

well darn

#

maybe ill do well next time

buoyant flame
#

lol you'll get em next time bud @teal bison

teal bison
#

do you have a study guide i can borrow @buoyant flame

buoyant flame
#

Shoot i just lent it to jpcheese

raw matrix
#

thoughts on that case?

#

cooling wise

wide sparrow
#

Sick looking case

obsidian rock
#

G'day g'day kind folks, I don't know wether or not I should be posting this here or in one of the hardware chats but this seems like the right place.
I've made a 1.5k NZD budget for myself and want to build a pc based on that so made a part picker list for it. For you americans thats about $900 but prices may vary. If you guys felt like it could you take a look over it and give me some pointers? Aside from going AMD. Intel is cheaper here.

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/TYhzWb

Cheers.

System Builder
stoic island
#

I'm on mobile so it's hard to check things, but you should change that ssd out for a SSD with dram, and change that case out for something with better airflow

#

Nzxt cases usually have bad airflow.

obsidian rock
#

but

#

but asthestics

#

and ill take a look into a better ssd

stoic island
#

You can find good looking cases with good airflow

obsidian rock
#

any recs?

stoic island
#

Mobile pcpp is really wacky with the search function...

#

Fractal design meshify C, Phanteks P400a, Coolermaster TD500

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There's more but that's a few

obsidian rock
#

aight aight

#

lemme have a look

stoic island
cursive wharf
#

Why not AMD tho?

stoic island
#

Cheaper for a 9100f

cursive wharf
#

no...

stoic island
#

3600 is 300$ NZD

obsidian rock
#

intel is much cheaper in mainland sheep shaggers area

cursive wharf
#

2600+b450 is cheaper then that CPU+mobo combo

stoic island
#

9100f is 139

cursive wharf
obsidian rock
#

gotta remember NZ

cursive wharf
#

and the mobo is horribly overpriced

obsidian rock
#

yep

cursive wharf
#

it is tho

#

look at my link

obsidian rock
#

y e a h b u t

cursive wharf
#

that's a 2600, not even a 1600 or 1200

stoic island
#

Oh damn I didn't see that Mobo price lol

cursive wharf
#

to which AMD can easy upgrade

stoic island
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Wonder if you could find a 1600af

cursive wharf
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so even if same price, AMD still

stoic island
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In nz

obsidian rock
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mmmm

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but i dont use the extra cores

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mainly game

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so i think theyd just sit there

cursive wharf
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no

stoic island
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Hei have mercy on them

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I'm gonna sleep now

cursive wharf
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a 9600k is still worse then a 3600 in games

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that's a 6c/6t vs 6c/12t

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even with that amount of threads, you still get better perf

stoic island
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(6 cores 6 threads vs 6 cores 12 threads)

cursive wharf
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stuttering because quite big with so few cores and threads

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at low-ish clockspeed as well

obsidian rock
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lemme watch some benchmarks

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ill consider

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okay from what ive seen the i3 tends to get better fps in games then the 2600

cursive wharf
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and what about lows?

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basically, stuttering

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not to mention, upgrading

obsidian rock
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true true

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ill go back and look over lows

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and upgrading would def be easier on the ryzen platform

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it's a pretty mixed bag on lows

cursive wharf
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Also, do you plan to play any major modern AAA games, now or in the future?

obsidian rock
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Yep

cursive wharf
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So by the looks of things you have a few games that make the 2600 lose by 1% - 5%, but some games make the 9100f lose by on average 1% - 5%, but sometimes 30%+ if on a new AAA game

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overall, I'd pick the 2600 due to not having to worry over that 30%+ perf loss

obsidian rock
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Yeah thats def the case

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I'll redo the build with an AMD CPU and see what the price difference is and then be back

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thanks for your help man!

cursive wharf
obsidian rock
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I suppose the good thing about AMD is that it actually utilises RAM speed

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changed the MB because it uses 8-pin CPU power so

cursive wharf
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with VRM cooling like that, the CPU compatibility is worse then the one I had

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friendly tip, the 4 pin EPS can supply upto 150w with 8 pin to 300w. 3950x max stock power consumption is 145w

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So 8 pin is ideal yes, but not really needed

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still tho, you have a bit of budget left over for a better board

obsidian rock
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tru

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43 i think

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ill have a look

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I might have a look on Amazon because MB options are pretty much limited to micro atx rn

foggy hazel
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one of the absolute best boards is a m-atx, so that isnt really a limit :)

obsidian rock
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i want fan headers god dammit

foggy hazel
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it might be easier/simpler to get a separate fan controller for that

obsidian rock
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yeah fair point

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amazon didnt have anything so

foggy hazel
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because NZ is not exactly known for its great selection of boards

obsidian rock
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this is very clear in this case

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okay

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$2.70 under budget

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lets go

foggy hazel
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looks fine @obsidian rock

obsidian rock
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Cheers man

foggy hazel
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(it has been a while since i have looked at the NZ market, it really still is as bonkers bad as it used to be)

obsidian rock
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yes

foggy hazel
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availability is just not there.

obsidian rock
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welcome to our little island marketplace

foggy hazel
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aye

obsidian rock
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do you live in America?

foggy hazel
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nah

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denmark

obsidian rock
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ok so still

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with a rough price conversion

foggy hazel
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its not as far apart as you would think

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tax is high as heck here

obsidian rock
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is it worth the money for the buidl?

foggy hazel
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yes

obsidian rock
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oh damn

foggy hazel
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its a solid enough build for the price

obsidian rock
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decent

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thats what i wanted to know lol

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suppose everywhere has some downsides

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denmark with high tax

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new zealand with

foggy hazel
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your machine is about 6000 dkk

obsidian rock
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antartica a 6 minute walk away

foggy hazel
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now comes the "fun" part

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the 5600xt you have, the cheapest (any kind of 5600xt) is 2400 dkk

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so ... 6000dkk is not really much at all :)

obsidian rock
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👀

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decent

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so basically

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GPU was expensive

foggy hazel
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compared to the US price? yes

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compared to the price here? no

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it is normal

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the machine as a whole is fairly priced imo

obsidian rock
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thats what i was going for thankfully

foggy hazel
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:)

obsidian rock
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now just gotta save up for it

foggy hazel
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keep in mind, any list that we say "okay" on, is only really valid for about 2-3 weeks

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but, you are more than welcome to come back later on and ask us: "is this list still valid?"

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it wont take more than a couple of minutes to check up on

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because the mental work has been done this time around

obsidian rock
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v tru

dry breach
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So I was planning on getting the 3900x and x570 Asia prime pro. Is there any news about x670 being worth the wait? And I do already have a gen 4 Corsair nvme otherwise I would’ve stuck to the x470. I’m getting parts now because when 4000 drops prices skyrocket and I don’t want to deal with it, plus this gives me time to save and possibly get a rtx 3000 series gpu s

pulsar dew
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Hey all. I am thinking about building a home server PC to store all my media (I'm a streamer and have a lot of video files) as well as backing up all my files. I already have some of the parts leftover from doing upgrades on my gaming PC but I don't really know the first thing about servers. Was just curious if anyone has any insight on what all would be needed to set something like this up as well as recommendations on parts etc.
Also the parts I already do have are RAM, MB, PSU, CPU cooler, and fans. So I would just need to grab a CPU, case, and storage (I think). Thanks for any help

cursive wharf
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@obsidian rock Change the SSD, WD Green has a higher then average failure rate

foggy hazel
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was that not just the first launch firmware @cursive wharf ?

cursive wharf
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That idk about

obsidian rock
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Research time

scenic heath
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Quick question if I wanna mount extra fans on top do I need a radiator to support it? Or is it just recommended