building-and-recc-chat

[upper condor]

I mean..... no that mbo sucks

mobo

[little osprey]

No u

[stoic island]

Bruh

It's air cooling or nothing

[upper condor]

mhm

[little osprey]

#intelstockcoolergang

[stoic island]

Ryzen stock coolers tho

[little osprey]

Pretty good

Wraith rgb

[upper condor]

@stoic island are you proud of me I got noctua

[stoic island]

YES IM SO PROUD OF YOU @upper condor :DDDDD

[upper condor]

@stoic island

Infinite cooling

[stoic island]

:DDDD

[upper condor]

Temps dropped 24C

[stoic island]

How was that install process?

[upper condor]

I forgot to use the little rubber things

And got mad

Now its fine

[stoic island]

Lol I did at first too

[upper condor]

Took like an hour to do it all

[wide sparrow]

Aaaahh

[upper condor]

@wide sparrow what

[wide sparrow]

Just saying gm

[upper condor]

By going "aaaahh"?

@wide sparrow

[stoic island]

What

Ok

[upper condor]

Ok

[stoic island]

I accidentally used the wrong brackets at first when I installed my d15

I also couldn't find the thermal paste lol

[upper condor]

Kek

Is 59c max torture for 5 minutes reasonable for a u12s on a r5 3600?

[stoic island]

yea

I get ~60c max during benchmarking loads on my d15 on 3800x OCed

[deep skiff]

5 mins isn’t a really long time tho

[upper condor]

Ik

Didnt have time

[wide sparrow]

I would try am hour

[swift fern]

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/vCBbt6
Leave me some feedback on PC Part Picker please ❤️

[stoic island]

Bro
4000mhz ram ..?

[swift fern]

Bro
4000mhz ram ..?
@stoic island yeah why

[deep skiff]

that’s not the best ram

[swift fern]

price wasn't bad

[deep skiff]

just cause it’s high MHz doesn’t mean it’s good

[stoic island]

You would need to uncouple IF iirc

[deep skiff]

wdym $150 for 16gb is too much, even the best binned b die is $120 or $100 on sale

[stoic island]

Also that's cl19..

[swift fern]

I've been watching videos with cl19 4000mhz vs cl16 3666 mhz

[stoic island]

Okay and?

Both of those would need to uncouple IF and or OC IF

[sudden turret]

if he wants it, let him.. ya'll act like it's going to kill you.

[stoic island]

Box, this is my feedback lol

[swift fern]

I don't get what you mean by uncouple

[deep skiff]

it runs in 2:1 infinity fabric which isn’t as good as 1:1 on 3733mhz lower iirc

[stoic island]

Infinity fabrick only natively goes to 1800, corresponding to 3600mhz

(on 1:1)

[deep skiff]

it’s 1:1 up to 3733 @stoic island

[stoic island]

Ah then I'm wrong there

[deep skiff]

3866 is where it jumps to 2:1

[stoic island]

But 4000 still requires OC

[swift fern]

Still don't understand... lol I'm coming from this https://pcpartpicker.com/b/NN8Ycf

[cursive wharf]

@swift fern There is more to timings then just CL

The other timings seem... eh. Even if 4000

Also dont go 4k, it's a waste. 1440p with MSAA is same visuals with better FPS

[stoic island]

Meh
I got 2x16gb 3600 cl16 trident z neos for about 5$ more

[slender parcel]

hello this is newegg tech help?

[upper condor]

@slender parcel sure

We are not affiliated with newegg

But we will help to the best of our abilities

[slender parcel]

my new egg computer no POST, should I ask the manufacturer or the newegg?

asrock/amd is what i meant

I get it.

🙂

[foggy hazel]

when you turn on the machine, does the fans/lights turn on?

[slender parcel]

yeah

[foggy hazel]

your monitor is connected very close to the usb plugs on the back?

[slender parcel]

nope, i only use the kb/mouse usb, 3.0 usbs and hdmi/dvi area is clear

[foggy hazel]

okay, could you tell me the GPU you have?

[slender parcel]

3400G the apu

[foggy hazel]

no dedicated GPU?

[slender parcel]

nope

[foggy hazel]

then, based on what you said above: Where is your monitor connected?

[slender parcel]

hdmi to motherboard hdmi

[foggy hazel]

(and yes, i know, the questions are simple, but please have patience)

your machine was assembled by newegg?

[slender parcel]

nope, came in boxes

[foggy hazel]

okay, regular troubleshooting it is then :)

you assembled a machine before?

[slender parcel]

about 10 years ago

how old is 3770K?

[foggy hazel]

8-ish years

have you got a parts list?

[slender parcel]

i assembled a kaveri desktop

[foggy hazel]

i ask, because it is practical to know what kind of knowledge i am dealing with (when talking with you)

(above is in the context of the previous experience with building question)

[slender parcel]

3400g apu, asrock A320M-HDV r4.0, oloy 16GB ddr4, antec 450w power, some 4tb hdd

random case

antec

[foggy hazel]

aye aye

i have what i need to know :)

[slender parcel]

I see,

[foggy hazel]

you bought those parts new right?

[slender parcel]

supposely, there are some stickers inside the motherboard boxes with new version numbers

bios update

i suppose

[foggy hazel]

what version does it say on those?

[slender parcel]

3.70, i looked it up, seems recent

[foggy hazel]

it is, it is the most recent one

and that would have been the next question :)

[slender parcel]

i can't check because the machine wouldn't go to bios

[foggy hazel]

aye, because you dont get a display output right?

[slender parcel]

nothing showing up on the monitor

[foggy hazel]

aye

[slender parcel]

unless i need some random all-signal-compatible monitor

[foggy hazel]

you dont.

okay, back to the tried and tested: disconnect all the things you dont need internally, and try and power it on again

that means: disconnect your storage

etc etc

[slender parcel]

same thing

[foggy hazel]

one or two sticks of ram?

[slender parcel]

two

[foggy hazel]

hold that thought.

you did connect both the 4pin and the 24pin power on the mainboard right?

[slender parcel]

4pin for the cpu 24pin for the mainboard?

[foggy hazel]

yes

[slender parcel]

i guess

[foggy hazel]

please check :)

[slender parcel]

i did it 4 times.

on different cpus and motherboards

[foggy hazel]

(and do remember, i cannot read your mind)

[slender parcel]

some brand

same*

i know

[foggy hazel]

and you are not really answering the question.

[slender parcel]

and thanks

oh, yes they were installed correctly.

[foggy hazel]

are both of them connected?

[slender parcel]

mhm

[foggy hazel]

you are certain that they have "clicked" into place?

[slender parcel]

mine doesn't click, it just makes thumb hurt

[foggy hazel]

fair enough :)

generally, there is a "latch" on the side of those plugs. hence the "click" question.

have you tried powering on the system with only 1 ram stick?

[slender parcel]

nope, wasn't the controller dual channel by default?

[foggy hazel]

it works with 1 stick too

just performance is way better with 2 sticks

and you are quite reliant on that memory performance with the APU's

[slender parcel]

wanted to get more, but they are expensive

[foggy hazel]

:)

could you test if it does POST with 1 stick?

[slender parcel]

doubling the setup price for like 20% performance

maybe even triple

i need to unbox everything if i do that, just here to get some ideas

[foggy hazel]

fair

[slender parcel]

that's a good thought though, I should have considered that

I didn't know that's still an issue in modern systems

[foggy hazel]

its fairly standard procedure, because it is fairly common to have a dud mem stick

[slender parcel]

usually happened in pentium 4 days

[foggy hazel]

nah, not really, mem has always been more fragile than the mobo

so, my suggestion to you is this:

test with 1 stick, and if that doesnt work, test with the other stick

[slender parcel]

oh btw, steal a speaker from my other computer because the motherboard box didn't give me one.

[foggy hazel]

just to (hopefully) rule out that it is not the memory that is being silly.

[slender parcel]

(yes they didn't have a 4 pin motherboard speaker)

[foggy hazel]

(mobo speakers are generally not installed anymore, because we have on-board error leds)

(on the non-bottom-budget boards)

But as for other things to try, there really isnt much.

standard procedure is to strip the board back as much as you can

[slender parcel]

what if that memory trick didn't work?

[foggy hazel]

and then go part by part

and if you are still not getting anything. You either have to test the parts in another system or start contacting the seller for replacements

[slender parcel]

oh btw, i did use a discrete graphic card to test if apu is incompatible

came up with nothing

[foggy hazel]

aye

and yes, there are a bunch more questions i could ask you. IF you hadnt built before

but all you can really do is check everything, yet again

and then strip the system to the basics and go at it, one part at a time

it is what i would do at work if a system like yours showed up

[slender parcel]

you had an apu system build?

[foggy hazel]

5 of them last week

none this week

so far

[slender parcel]

how is the compatibility on motherboards?

[foggy hazel]

as long as the bios is the right version. they just work.

and that p3.70 is 4 versions "above" the minimum for it

that was why i asked about that in the start :)

and yes, i have checked the manufacturers page etc

[slender parcel]

newegg did a good job on that, haven't seen a "sticker" motherboard for a while

[foggy hazel]

that is most likely not newegg

that is the manufacturer doing that

[slender parcel]

oh

that explains it.

[foggy hazel]

because it is in their interest to not have multiple revisions of product mixed together

so for them (the manufacturer) it is a simple thing to update and test the bios

[slender parcel]

yeah but downgrade bios is not really a good thing to do

so I don't have an opinion on that either way

[foggy hazel]

hm?

why do you mention that?

because of my "above" comment earlier?

[slender parcel]

bios used on the motheboard 3.70 was to be compatible with 3rd gen picasso apu, while some older bios were optimized for raven ridge etc

[foggy hazel]

any new bios, automatically has the old optimizations rolled in

(yes, there are exceptions, but generally not in consumer hardware)

[slender parcel]

yeah it was kind of confusing

[foggy hazel]

the "above" comment was meant like this:

the required bios version (for support of the specific 3400G apu) is p3.30. and your board has p3.70 (and asrock goes by increments of .10 for each version)

so, you are 4 versions newer than the minimum (which is a good thing)

does that clarify things a bit ?

[slender parcel]

awesome

[foggy hazel]

sorry for the confusion.

but as i said, test the ram, both 1 stick at a time, and 1 stick at a time in different slots.

and then try stripping the system down and rechecking everything

and then go at it, 1 part at a time

and if all of that doesnt work, test (the parts) in a different machine if you have one available, and if that doesnt work. Contact the seller for their RMA process

[slender parcel]

only 2 ram slots to test

not too bad

[foggy hazel]

remember, different combinations of parts etc etc for the "1 part at a time" tests :)

but yeah, that is all i can offer i believe.

[slender parcel]

what if i need new thermo paste?

thanks so much

[foggy hazel]

unless you scrape of the stuff that came with the parts. you should not need new.

if you are asking in general? just buy a small tube.

and you are very welcome :)

[slender parcel]

off i go, thanks and have a good day.

[foggy hazel]

likewise :) and best of luck :)

[winged hollow]

anyone who knows pc parts and compatibility and bang for buck stuff dm me pls or can i send a picture in this channel of specs?

[upper condor]

@winged hollow do you have a pcpartpicker?

[winged hollow]

specs list. just a picture of them

[upper condor]

Ok

[winged hollow]

you want me to dm you them?

[upper condor]

No

Actually wait

You have too dm me it ill post

(For @winged hollow)

What was the price?

[winged hollow]

i5 was $599 and i7 was $789 USD

[upper condor]

Both are bad

Build yourself

[winged hollow]

well $100 prebuilt charge

so i5 is $499 build myself and i7 is $689 build myself

[upper condor]

Even then

You can build much better

[winged hollow]

are they overpriced?

[upper condor]

You could build yourself new (or used) for better

New would be harder

[winged hollow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/kiwi1/saved/#view=q8xGqs

this one is $1175 from a bit ago but i don’t want to go over $1000

that’s my problem

[upper condor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y82cBZ

[little osprey]

Hows this, ignore the case.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JwQWmg

[upper condor]

No

I will not

[little osprey]

Well if you say remove it, I will ignore it

[upper condor]

Bruh its 300$ for crap airflow

Why tf you want that

[little osprey]

Thsgs why I said ignore it

[upper condor]

Well, dont expect anyone else too

[little osprey]

It wont let me change it lol

When I hit remove it doesnt let me

[upper condor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MYGTFG

There

[little osprey]

Ty

What should I replace it with

[upper condor]

Assuming you care about rgb? You can remove a lot if not

[little osprey]

Ye

My friend is an rgb addict

[cursive wharf]

RAM can be b-die (better memory die), SSD is overpriced, GPU is overpriced when it can be bought (no listing price is there tho), PSU has no real reviews and I dont see it as being all that great quality

[upper condor]

Oh not yours

[little osprey]

Nah

I thought the neo was good

So 🤷

[upper condor]

Im glad, thought u were gonna come back in a week like "I want more than 100 fps 4k reee"

Quad titan rtx

[little osprey]

Yed

3080ti

[cursive wharf]

Neo is eh, there is one Neo b-die kit which is where Neo get it's rep from

[little osprey]

How about vengeance

[upper condor]

Crucial ballistix is bdie I think

[cursive wharf]

Corsair almost always has bad memory dies for the price

Crucial is Rev E

[upper condor]

My b

[little osprey]

So uhh. What do you suggest

[waxen pasture]

Hey does anyone know anything about like a fan frame or grill that directs the air from the fan, I've seen them before but now that I actually need one, I cant find anything...

[dull tangle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7QmMXv

What do yall think of this list for my little bro

all it needs to do is play games at 1080p 60hz

I already have a psu Im going to give him

[cursive wharf]

GPU is overpriced. Get the GTX 1650 Super.
SSD is DRAMless. Get a SATA drive that isnt DRAMless, or spend a bit more for a DRAM cache NVMe
$13 gets you 16gb of RAM

Also what PSU is it?

[dull tangle]

Corsair txm

[cursive wharf]

okay, so pretty decent

[dull tangle]

Also you think the crucial mx500 would be better

[cursive wharf]

Yes, but that is usually overpriced

[dull tangle]

Then what’d you recommend

[cursive wharf]

If you get this when it's still $38 instead of the standard $48 (due to sale) then this. If sale ends then I'd have to look again
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vpjJ7P/team-t-force-vulcan-250-gb-25-solid-state-drive-t253tv250g3c301

[dull tangle]

Alright I’ll see if I can scrounge up the money to buy it now

[cursive wharf]

Make sure you have the parts to test it after it's shipped. I never suggest waiting to test parts as it makes RMA harder

[dull tangle]

I got a pc of my own

I can test it in there

[cursive wharf]

alright

[dull tangle]

Thx

Made some adjustments based on what you said

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KcJ3Wb

Forgot to enter cpu price

[cursive wharf]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bwRm27
-changed mobo due to more RAM support when adding more RAM in future and better future CPU support
-changed RAM to slightly cheaper

Also yeah the 2tb is only like $10 more, so that is a decent choice if you can afford it

[dull tangle]

Alright thx

[cursive wharf]

welcome

[little osprey]

Hey can I get someone’s opinion on the better psu to buy

[upper condor]

@cursive wharf

[little osprey]

Semi modular or non modular ?

[warped moat]

Get the CX

The CXM has some issues like coil whine

[little osprey]

What’s coil whine effect ?

[dull tangle]

It’s a sound produced from parts that caused by electricity flowing through them

It’s pretty annoying

[little osprey]

So it’s just a noise ?

[sudden turret]

yes

[dull tangle]

Yea

[little osprey]

Is this good?
EVGA Supernova 750 PQ, 80+ Platinum 750W, Semi Modular, EVGA ECO Mode, 10 Year Warranty, Power Supply 210-PQ-0750-X1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BVZXW55/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_FOMyEbB14YKZ9

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey if you can avoid it, you do NOT want a coil whine in your system

[sudden turret]

@little osprey yeah

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey i have seen a lot of people saying: "oh! it is just noise, it wont bother me"

aside from the legit deaf people, it bothers just about everyone

[little osprey]

@little osprey yeah
@sudden turret
Ty

Do you know what eco mode does?

[upper condor]

Yes

Wait, eco or hybrid

[sudden turret]

https://www.evga.com/support/faq/FAQdetails.aspx?faqid=59497

[little osprey]

Eco

[sudden turret]

When ECO mode is enabled, the power supply fan will not spin until a specific temperature is reached. To enable ECO mode, there is a switch on the back of the power supply. With ECO mode enabled the fan should not run until the power supply hits 55c. If the temperature reaches or exceeds this threshold, the fan will turn on to prevent overheating.

[little osprey]

Ye

Would it be bad for it if the fans off

Because why wouldn't you want it on eco

Do they all have coil whine or just depends on the one you get

What

Different convo ^

Kk

The corsair one right

Yea

I think they all do? But I would just get the CX

I already bought the cxm if it has that issue I’ll just return it

Just bought the psu, mobo , ssd m.2 nvme

Only thing left is gpu @foggy hazel

[foggy hazel]

they dont all have coil whine.

some units do, some dont.

[little osprey]

Oh

So do you think ECO mode is bad for the psu

[foggy hazel]

it is not

[little osprey]

I got that mobo for $60 instead of $70 my buddy thought he said $60 at first so I went with it lol

[foggy hazel]

lets run the logic on that question @little osprey

IF it was bad, the manufacturer would have done a silly thing

by including it :)

[little osprey]

So then what's the point in not having it on

Got that hp ex920 1tb ssd m.2 nvme for $125 with the sale on Newegg

[foggy hazel]

the reason you have a toggle for it. Is different builds have different requirements for airflow

[little osprey]

Ah

[foggy hazel]

remember, just because you are using it in your build, does not mean others are not using it in different builds

[little osprey]

True

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey so, things are starting to come together then

[little osprey]

@foggy hazel Oh yea finally haha . Just gotta wait till next week Friday to get gpu

Then I’ll have everything

I think I’m gonna go with the Zotac 1660 super amp but that gigabyte 1660 super triple fan looks nice too .

[sullen spoke]

but m

[foggy hazel]

it is your choice 100%

[sullen spoke]

m is for cool people cuz it has an extra letter

[foggy hazel]

as i said previously, it doesnt really matter much

[little osprey]

Which one you think would be the better choice they are both same price for me

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey we have been over this one before :)

refer to my previous statements on this :)

[little osprey]

Yeah just like input lol Ik they will be basically the same performance wise

[foggy hazel]

take whatever you want

that is my input on it :)

[little osprey]

Alright I think the Zotac has the better build tbh but wouldn’t the triple fan run cooler ?

[foggy hazel]

if your ice cube is frozen, do you care how cold the freezer is?

[little osprey]

Lol good point

@foggy hazel Do you play any games on your pc?

[foggy hazel]

i do

[little osprey]

What do you play?

[foggy hazel]

and i am currently looking forward to Eternal being released

[upper condor]

Have you seen the doom movie with the rock? @foggy hazel

Its hilarious

[foggy hazel]

mainly because i want more music from Mick Gordon

[little osprey]

You play rust or escape from tarkov at all?

[foggy hazel]

re: what games i play: recently, it has been a lot of TD games, with the odd ARPG thrown in, a bit of FPS and some general strategy/management stuff

i do not play rust or tarkov

i used to play a LOT of KF

[little osprey]

Awe man was gonna say once I build my pc we could play

[foggy hazel]

latency and timezones @little osprey

[little osprey]

Very True .

[foggy hazel]

and the nature of my job makes scheduling a PITA

[little osprey]

I feel you on that . Work is where i spend most my time lol

[foggy hazel]

not looking forward to paying for Eternal thou, i will happily say that

[cursive wharf]

@little osprey it's overpriced tho. The PQ PSU. Get the Bitfenix Whisper M 650w+. Better quality and cheaper. Should also note that no one needs 750w unless dual GPU or using an OCed 3990x+2080Ti or the 10980XE+2080Ti

[little osprey]

Kk ty

[wide sparrow]

Oof

I bought a 750w this week

It was recommended through a website with the hardware I'm going to use

its to future proof anyways

[little osprey]

f

[viral ore]

@late ice ahh, the pcie power cables on your second gpu

Switch them around

[little osprey]

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/25248983

[sullen spoke]

@analog hearth

[steady plinth]

is it fine if i screw in mother board stand offs by hand?

ah whatever nvm its probably fine

[little osprey]

Why not with screw driver ?

[analog hearth]

@little osprey that is a violation of this server. I am going to have to arrest you

[sullen spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/loli-police-anime-gif-14043763

[foggy hazel]

@steady plinth yes, it is fine. just try to make certain they are all equally screwed in.

you want a level set of stand-offs

[little osprey]

....?

[analog hearth]

@little osprey UserBenchmark is inaccurate and therefore illegal in this server due to controversy reasons (see rule 5 in #rules)

[little osprey]

I hope your joking

You are joking right?

[sullen spoke]

he is the UserBenchmark Police, you must do as he says

[little osprey]

Just read rule 5 Userbenchmark isn't politics or religion....

[analog hearth]

it's controversy

please avoid discussing controversial and sensitive topics

[little osprey]

Seriously, its just a benchmarking site

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey they are trolling you.

[analog hearth]

it's inaccurate

I'm not trolling

I will find evidence that it is inaccurate

[little osprey]

Good luck with that

[foggy hazel]

the way that people interpret the data is what is inaccurate

@little osprey it is not a favored site amongst technicians like myself, because the actual data is about as clear as mud.

[sullen spoke]

well I guess it is a controversial topic now

[foggy hazel]

nah

[sullen spoke]

technically we can make any topic a controversial topic

[foggy hazel]

it is a topic that people feel strongly about, because they dont like being told to actually read and comprehend the information they are reading.

just like VRM debates

or GPU debates

or CPU debates

etc

[analog hearth]

I am sensitive to that topic

[little osprey]

Not my problem that you don't like something I use, sorry

[short arrow]

Any advice on this list?

Mostly gaming, but also schoolwork and occasionally streaming (why I chose Nvidia for the NvEnc)

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MightyMase04/saved/yyTrVn

Ping me with replies, thanks

[foggy hazel]

@short arrow it looks okay.

you could go for a different mainboard if you wanted, but it is okay

[short arrow]

Is there any particular suggestion? I like this one for the color, full ATX, and nvme slots

*m. 2 slots

@foggy hazel

[upper condor]

@short arrow looks fine

But I have the tomahawk, its underwhelming

[foggy hazel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gwcRsY/asus-tuf-b450-pro-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-pro-gaming <- @short arrow

[upper condor]

Its really just average

[teal bison]

i would change the cpu to a ryzen 5 1600 AF

[short arrow]

Yeah, I'm just waiting on pcpp to officially add it tbh. Also wanna watch the 2600 pricing for now

[foggy hazel]

that board is a better board in just about all the ways that you will be interacting with it @short arrow

[short arrow]

Only grievance, the TUF is about $20 extra after tax

In comparison to the tomahawk

[upper condor]

Less audio ports I believe

[foggy hazel]

less m.2, worse audio, etc etc

[short arrow]

Don't feel like I'll need anything more than two 3.5 mm jacks and 2 or so HDMI

And ample USB ofc

[foggy hazel]

it is not about the amount of min-jacks

it is about the chip driving those ports

[little osprey]

whats the difference between the H710 and the H710i

[short arrow]

Gotcha. He said less, not worse, I got confused

is i itx?

[little osprey]

No

[short arrow]

Idk then

[foggy hazel]

side question (it is related to the price talk): Why the requirement of ATX?

[short arrow]

you can have ITX, mATX, ATX, BTX I believe.

ATX is just the most standardized form factor

And I like it

[foggy hazel]

yes, i know this. what i am asking about is why you specifically mentioned "full atx" earlier :)

and the reason i ask is this board https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y3prxr/asus-tuf-b450m-pro-gaming-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-b450m-pro-gaming

which has the same features as what i linked before, aside from the bottom 2 expansion slots

and it costs a good deal less

[short arrow]

Is there a case you would recommend with it? I don't want to have mATX in an ATX case

Thing it looks kinda funky

Think*

[jagged ember]

But think of all the space you'd have for cable routing

[foggy hazel]

personally, i would go for something like this

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vBTrxr/fractal-design-define-mini-c-microatx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-def-mini-c-bk

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vPp323/fractal-design-focus-g-mini-black-microatx-mini-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-mini-bk-w <- this however, is probably more fitting for your earlier budget

keep in mind, both of those cases come with fans

[short arrow]

Thanks for all the input, I've got a few more months to think all this over

[foggy hazel]

come back when you are closer to buying

[short arrow]

Im in driver's ed atm, I think it's my turn to drive

[foggy hazel]

and let us have a look at things then

a given list is only (generally) valid for about 2-3 weeks @short arrow

[jagged ember]

If you don't want a window, i would consider https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/JtWfrH/thermaltake-versa-h17-microatx-mini-tower-case-ca-1j1-00s1nn-00

[lime forge]

@short arrow dont forget to text and drive, it impresses the instructor because it shows them you can drive while multitasking 😄

i am

genius

[sullen spoke]

Looks like it will be awhile until you get your lisense

[jagged ember]

thing is, zack already has their license

[sullen spoke]

no he doesn't silly

He is taking drivers ed I think?

[jagged ember]

I've seen him in Grand Turismo before

[sullen spoke]

lol

[jagged ember]

That's basically a license in of itself

[sullen spoke]

oh hey

I got regular back

[jagged ember]

oh nice

still got rookie though

[sullen spoke]

I've had it for awhile now

I think box added it to me

[jagged ember]

hah

[sudden turret]

no.

I don't add roles that got taken away.

[sullen spoke]

then who did?

[still roost]

MightyMase04 (Ping Me)#6205 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sullen spoke]

woah

[wispy lynx]

ok

here we are

[spare flint]

Howdy howdy

[wispy lynx]

ok

so

how much you willing to tinker

what kinda games do you play

and what are the specs on your monitor

[wispy lynx]

if you dont know either provide a model or give an idea

@vestal cove eh not a fan

is that a 2060KO?

[spare flint]

getting my monitor stuff right now, I play a lot of fps, the hotness in question that is a must-run is doom eternal

[vestal cove]

No

[wispy lynx]

good

[analog hearth]

@vestal cove needs more RGB on the motherboard

like RGB GPU and RAM

[wispy lynx]

ok bud

[vestal cove]

I don’t think it looks like a lot

[spare flint]

My monitor is a syncmaster p2370(g)

[wispy lynx]

it looks like eough

[vestal cove]

Ko*

[wispy lynx]

Idk, I didnt look into it

I just asked

@spare flint a new monitor is a good idea

ngl

like

yeah

[analog hearth]

I would upgrade from that monitor (later)

[wispy lynx]

I would rn

[vestal cove]

Blue or red

[wispy lynx]

blue

[analog hearth]

I mean, build first for sure is what I meant

blue

[spare flint]

oh? What's wrong with my monitor?

[wispy lynx]

@spare flint wifi or ethernet?

[analog hearth]

oh it has DVI-I. yeah I'd upgrade

it's just dated

[wispy lynx]

its pretty low end, has bad imputs, wont be able to take advantage of your PC

[analog hearth]

most modern GPUs don't have DVI anymore

[wispy lynx]

imagine having like the worlds best PC

but being limited to 144p

[analog hearth]

lol that too

[wispy lynx]

its kinda like that

to a lesser degree

colors wont look nice

panel isnt the brightest

refresh rates are quite low

[analog hearth]

you can easily fit a 144Hz 1080p panel in that budget ($1500, right?)

[spare flint]

1000 is what I'd prefer, 1500 is as far as I'm willing to go

[wispy lynx]

how much storage you need?

[analog hearth]

what about $1000 for PC and whatever else (probably not much more) for the monitor?

because I'm making a list rn

[wispy lynx]

2.5tb is enough?

@analog hearth im making one

[analog hearth]

imma make one too if that's okay

[spare flint]

1: As much as I can get. I have a TB SSD and some older 500gb hard drives in my current computer and I was wondering if I could just bring those over.
2:1000 for computer parts then some change for a hotter monitor is fine.

I just can't run most of the new games coming out/can barely run the ones I want to play.

[analog hearth]

I wish I had a 1TB SSD 🤤

[spare flint]

It's prolly the nicest thing in my current computer

And I almost immediately filled it when I bought it

[wispy lynx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4CGQwh

[jagged ember]

so

[analog hearth]

is it M.2, or SATA?

[jagged ember]

are y'all building $1000 systems

[wispy lynx]

idk

are we

[analog hearth]

perhaps

[wispy lynx]

I went to 1070

but

close enough

@spare flint if you take like 10 minutes to do 1 quick thing to that GPU you should make almost every game you play feel buttery smooth

144hz

1080p

you should remain over 60fps in 90% of games

if not more

[jagged ember]

What about a 1660 Super

[wispy lynx]

good

worse than 5700

[spare flint]

That sounds

incredible

[wispy lynx]

by a large amount

[analog hearth]

1660 Super can't hit 144fps

[wispy lynx]

30ish percent last I recall

[jagged ember]

Well 5700 is basically top of the line

[wispy lynx]

5700 can be flashed

and is 320$

[analog hearth]

at Ultra, at least

[wispy lynx]

ultra doesnt matter

high does

[jagged ember]

Lol i never play on ultra anyways

[wispy lynx]

only game I really care about playing at ultra

is AC odyssey

[analog hearth]

I'm putting in a 1660 Ti

so I can include a monitor

[wispy lynx]

1660ti=1660s

except

[jagged ember]

Yeah

[wispy lynx]

worse in many games

as 1660s has GDDR6

[jagged ember]

Ooh interesting

[wispy lynx]

whereas 1660ti has more CUs but GDDR5

(CU meaning compute units)

[jagged ember]

What's the difference in performance?

[wispy lynx]

1%

roughly

[late ice]

@viral ore yeah I'm not worried about dressing them up until I'm done with the tubing because I keep bumping them

[jagged ember]

haha

[wispy lynx]

either way

soemtimes 1660s wins

sometimes 1660ti

at high resolutions it tends to be 1660s

[jagged ember]

I think the 1660s is the way to go for me

[wispy lynx]

at lower it is anyones game

[jagged ember]

Fits my budget

[wispy lynx]

I will say in games made using the unreal engine 1660ti is a tad faster

1660s get the Zotac model

avoid the EVGA model

[jagged ember]

Good tip!

[wispy lynx]

good card for 230$

[jagged ember]

I'll keep that in mind

[wispy lynx]

EVGA model has double satcked 4mm thermal pads

it uhh

is kinda not the best

[spare flint]

should i be taking notes

[jagged ember]

I was thinking of a 2060 before but I was recommended a 1660S instead so

[wispy lynx]

@spare flint no, list I sent for you should be fine, you can easily cut it to 1000 at the expense of looks and like 1-2% performance though

if you'd like

Want me to?

also

you dont need an SSD

right?

[analog hearth]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YJYsMc

[wispy lynx]

you have one alrteady

[jagged ember]

Honestly though RGB seems to take up a lot of the budget

[analog hearth]

that build can also handle 1440p high

[spare flint]

I really, really appreciate y'all taking the time to help me, and on the topic of the SSD, I have one, and there's space in the tower to staple in my older hard drives right?

[wispy lynx]

@analog hearth cool you made my lsit but with a worse GPU, worse PSU, much worse ram and less storage

and a different case

btw

P300A performs better than nr600 stock

[analog hearth]

we just had the same idea lol

[wispy lynx]

and on par with fans added

[analog hearth]

3600 and Tomahawk Max is just a good budget pair

sorry didn't mean to copy haha

[jagged ember]

Ooh nice

[wispy lynx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GVJKn7

@spare flint

there

960$

same performance

just use the SSD you have rn

[spare flint]

god damn, thank you~

[analog hearth]

go with his build

[wispy lynx]

@analog hearth can I ask you why you chose the ram, hard drive and PSu that you did?

Im curious

[analog hearth]

hard drive just because I have it favorited (because I use it in my daily build). same with the PSU. the RAM, I just have it favorited for some reason. I'm actually using the 3200MHz version

[wispy lynx]

Ok

well

Imma teach you a few quick things

starting with PSU

[analog hearth]

wait

waiiit

I don't use that PSU in my daily build

it's in another build

[wispy lynx]

ok, Im still gonna say it anyways

[analog hearth]

I've gone through three (four?) CPUs with that PSU lmfao

lmao okay

[wispy lynx]

CXM is based on an old 2012 platform that corsair had

it has pretty low quality caps, a worsee platform, a few coil whine issues and is overall worse than the CX

the CX is based on a newer paltform

it has better parts

and doesnt have the same issues

[analog hearth]

ah I see

[wispy lynx]

while remaining cheaper

if modularity isnt a must

go for the CX

[analog hearth]

wow I actually didn't realize

thank you :)

[wispy lynx]

as for ram. do you know what an IC is?

[analog hearth]

nope

[jagged ember]

So all in all, don't get a CXM is the takeaway here

[wispy lynx]

ok basically

[analog hearth]

I see MHz and CL and I say yes to higher (and lower) values

[wispy lynx]

all ram has a controller

that organises data transfer

and manages the ram

basically there are 3 big comapnies

that make this IC

[analog hearth]

Samsung

and two others lol

[wispy lynx]

samsung

Hynix

Micron

[analog hearth]

oh yee

[wispy lynx]

and so

generally

there are some ICs

that are better than others

ex. B die vs JJR

B die is better

[analog hearth]

yeah that part I don't understand

[wispy lynx]

its basically

[analog hearth]

isn't there also C die?

[wispy lynx]

how good can they clock

[analog hearth]

ah I see

[wispy lynx]

C die is also known as CJR

anyways

[analog hearth]

ohh

[wispy lynx]

that doesnt matter

think of an IC like a gpu

with like B die being a 2080ti, MFR a 1060 and D die like a rx580

you get the idea right?

now

[jagged ember]

So

B die is generally higher clock speeds and faster

[analog hearth]

I see

[wispy lynx]

not all of these ICs are made equal

theres also binning

so like

theres good B die

and bad B die

I use B die because its the highest end

[analog hearth]

I know what binning is lol

[wispy lynx]

anyways

[analog hearth]

it's basically the reason why we have 5700s, 5600 XTs, etc.

[wispy lynx]

within certian pricepoints or speeds

there are multiple ICs

like

same way 250$ theres a lot of GPUs

same with ram ICs

there are a few cases where people know what they are getting

but most of the time its just luck

now one of the worst comapnies in terms of this

is Corsair

they mishmash, jumble, put low bins and generally how quite random ram

[analog hearth]

oh bruh

[wispy lynx]

my LPX could be fine

yours could be bad

or even broken

there have been cases of some LPX not hitting the base spec

like it is 3200 C16

but it cant even hit that

I have actuallly had that happen to me twice

[analog hearth]

oh I think I'm at C15

[wispy lynx]

so I tend to stay away from corsair ram nowadays

[analog hearth]

makes sense

[wispy lynx]

but

truth is

it doesnt matter

go with whatever is cheapest

but avoid oloy

pretty much

[analog hearth]

lmaoo

it's just yolo backwards

[jagged ember]

secret message

[analog hearth]

^

[wispy lynx]

(Oloy sometimes uses Tranya A die, which is not an IC made by samsung hynix or micron)

[analog hearth]

oh ew

[wispy lynx]

its generally really low quality, highly unrelaible and generally quite bad

anyways

this is why I feel wierd

when people say "corsair ram is good"

truth is

most of the time

they all use the same stuff

just with slight differences

[analog hearth]

so about binning

[wispy lynx]

btw corsair has like REALLLLLLLY low end B die

like

3200 C16 B die

I personally am running 3533 C14

[analog hearth]

if the RAM says it's rated for 2400MHz, does that mean it's basically been binned for that speed because it couldn't even hit 2666MHz or higher?

[wispy lynx]

well

keep in mind

ram can go higher

but it'll need mopre voltage

and thats the ting

[analog hearth]

well yeah

[wispy lynx]

B die can go up to 1.5vish

most JJR or MFR can do 1.4

but yeah

[analog hearth]

so what about the hard drive?

[wispy lynx]

the ram you have says 2400mhz?

[analog hearth]

nope

it says it's rated for 3200MHz

I have it clocked at that rn, too

[wispy lynx]

oh you said IF

[analog hearth]

yee lol

[wispy lynx]

no, it doesnt gurantee anything

some companies are utterly random

like

take Crucial

[analog hearth]

lmfao

[wispy lynx]

crucial not micron

crucial has a kit called Sport LT

[analog hearth]

I've used those lmao

[wispy lynx]

I'm sure you've seen it

[analog hearth]

yep

[sacred obsidian]

how do you figure that oloy is trash tho

[analog hearth]

research

[wispy lynx]

Tranya A die

@sacred obsidian look up Taiphoon Burner

[sacred obsidian]

ive been told that at least some of their ram is actually pretty good

[wispy lynx]

generally its a gamble

and for 2$

its not worth it

especially when products like Aegis ram or Patriot blackout is just better

[sacred obsidian]

you say not worth, i say power ranger ram

[wispy lynx]

lol

back to the topic

Sport LT

its normally E die

now

we have good E die

and bad E die

but crucial doesnt care

they basically put anything in there

good

bad

they dont care

[sacred obsidian]

but no apparently this one is pretty good from what ive seen and it was at least a while back the cheapest rgb ram i could find https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821162?Description=oloy&cm_re=oloy-_-20-821-162-_-Product&quicklink=true

its not what i have tho

[wispy lynx]

oh warhawk is fine if you MUST have rgb

failure rate on the RGB strip is 25% btw

so

25% your RGB ram wont be very RGB

[analog hearth]

I laughed at that lmao

[sacred obsidian]

if rgb broke, then rma

[wispy lynx]

yeah

but just saying

[sacred obsidian]

yeah i know lol

[wispy lynx]

not a big sign of quality

I havent used warhawk but i assume its liek the rest of their stuff

[sacred obsidian]

i would only buy it if i was specifically trying to do a power ranger build or something similar that could benefit from rediculous looking ram lol

[wispy lynx]

I've recommended warhawk

in the paste

but only when it was SUPER cheap

[sacred obsidian]

in the ctrl+v

[wispy lynx]

@analog hearth so theres kits of Sport LT that I've been able to get to 3600 C15

or 3266 C14

[sacred obsidian]

i usually just tell people to get g.skill ripjaw lol

[analog hearth]

mine went to 2400MHz

[wispy lynx]

and others that I've onyl gotten like 3333 C16

btw

[sacred obsidian]

but i got Crucial Ballistix Sport LT

[analog hearth]

uh oh

[wispy lynx]

not to flex

but

[analog hearth]

I got a memory management BSOD from my Sport LT

could've been that I had SMT on with a 1300X at the time oop

[wispy lynx]

@analog hearth would you midn running taiphoon burner on your ram?

[analog hearth]

is it free?

[wispy lynx]

yes

http://www.softnology.biz/

[sacred obsidian]

no you gotta pay us 15$ each

[wispy lynx]

nvm then

I take it back

[analog hearth]

[file] is not commonly downloaded and may be dangerous

uhhh

[sacred obsidian]

wait is it not free

[wispy lynx]

dw

its a well known program

[sacred obsidian]

most things will say that motor

[wispy lynx]

@sacred obsidian it is free

[sacred obsidian]

i got confused by this

[wispy lynx]

you said I gotta pay you 15$

[sacred obsidian]

oh no i was saying motor has to pay us 15 each

as in pay me and you

[wispy lynx]

heres the Taiphoon reading for my ram

see where it says 8Gb B die?

[analog hearth]

uhh how do I use this lol

well, what do you want me to do with this lol

[wispy lynx]

send me a screenshot

[wispy lynx]

click read

[analog hearth]

two options:
Read SPD on SMBus #0 at 52h
Read SPD on SMBus #0 at 53h

[wispy lynx]

@sacred obsidian oh I hought you meant I needed to pay you 15 to see your results

@analog hearth doesnt matter

[sacred obsidian]

lmao i was joking anyways.

[analog hearth]

uh oh

[wispy lynx]

hoenstly

terminate iCue

[analog hearth]

Hynix RAM

[wispy lynx]

Hynix A die

[analog hearth]

wait where do you see that

[sacred obsidian]

arshia try not to go around the swear filter like that. mods don't like it. just a fair warning lol

[analog hearth]

oh what the heck I thought I was at C15

ahh

[wispy lynx]

hmm

3200 16 18 18 36

[analog hearth]

I see that now

[wispy lynx]

go on your phone so u can keep chatting

[analog hearth]

wat

[wispy lynx]

ok

so basicallt

dial iin 3600mhz

[analog hearth]

uhhh

[wispy lynx]

increase DRAM voltage to 1.43v

in bios

[true comet]

Hey chat anyone able to help with some build questions?

I have a pcp list i am working with but i am looking an alternative route right now

[dark mango]

Post it

[true comet]

so its not the list im trying to work with

I am approved to finance (helps my credit) a computer here https://www.xidax.com/desktops

I was wondering if anyone could help me build something similar to this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rqYn9G

under $2,000 (I know building is significantly cheaper but this builds my credit)

[wispy lynx]

no

that list is objectively a no

[true comet]

dont buy?

[wispy lynx]

Case and Mobo

are my main issues

you dont want a 16mb bios chip with Zen2

[true comet]

on the xidax site

could you help me?

[dark mango]

Needs more balance

Great cpu, but mobo is bad and why only 16gb of RAM?

[true comet]

Could anyone help me build one on here https://www.xidax.com/desktops

under 2k thats a beast

[wispy lynx]

which one?

@dark mango wdym "why opnly 16gb of ram"

bruh

LOL

fast ram>more ram

[true comet]

I think either the x5 or x6 to start with right?

[wispy lynx]

dude

just make your own

its cheaper

its better

and its more fun

[true comet]

okay, could you help me out here?

[wispy lynx]

sure

[true comet]

Im looking to play Fort - great FPS no worries about anything around $1200-$1500

[wispy lynx]

do you need wifi?

[true comet]

no

[wispy lynx]

or will you use ethernet

[true comet]

yes

[dark mango]

Yeah, but if u have the budget for an r7 3700x why not better and more ram?

[wispy lynx]

1. name 4 ICs better than CJR

2. 16gb is ideal

[true comet]

im. a noob with this stuff btw

[dark mango]

Is if for gaming? 4k editing? Browse internet and office?

[wispy lynx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fpG9n7

@true comet

@dark mango he said its for Fortnite. either way the only thing that needs more than 16 is video editing or photo editing

particularily Sony Vegas and the adobe suite

Virtual Machines too

[dark mango]

Fortnite

[wispy lynx]

yep

[dark mango]

Kek

[wispy lynx]

let the dude do waht he wants

lol

[true comet]

I will just buy a new pc when I want to upgrade

[dark mango]

Yeah, my bad, 16 gb is more than fine

[true comet]

but I want something over the top

[wispy lynx]

yes but you said "better"

[true comet]

I work from home and make 120-180 a year

[wispy lynx]

wdym better

@true comet cool, I dont see what your point is

over the top is 4grand

[true comet]

I mean for fortnite

[wispy lynx]

either way

its a waste

[true comet]

really?

what are your thoughts behind the build

[wispy lynx]

you want me to explain my choices

oh boy

this'll take a while

anyways

heres a differtent list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jFtzp8

its pretty similar

would get the first one myself

but up to you

[true comet]

so with the first one I notice the CPU difference. Would you mind telling me if it matters and why between 5-7-9

[wispy lynx]

ignore the "ryzen 5 ryzen 9" naming

look at the specific number

3600x has 6 cores

[dark mango]

R9 for fortnite hahaha

[wispy lynx]

3900x has 12

3700 has 8

cores dont matter for gaming