it is plenty
#building-and-recc-chat
foggy hazel
and to convince you, let me show you a review :)
that is the setup for what will follow
look at the "Load power consumption - furmark" graph
that is the worst case scenario
black bar is your card @wanton sail
and the cpu used in that test is a power hog compared to the 3700x
foggy hazel
@wispy matrix what is that build supposed to be?
wispy matrix
I’m working on my 1200 dollar build
wanton sail
That card seems low
foggy hazel
a good start would be to stick with one set of ram
and just go stock on the CPU cooler
wanton sail
@foggy hazel thanks for help looks good
foggy hazel
@wanton sail you are very welcome. I will warn you about this thou, if you share/show that list to others, they are going to whine about the mainboard being "wrong/not-fit/underpowered/bla bla bla"
ignore that
they will also "loudly" proclaim that you need a bigger PSU
ignore that too
upper condor
Is it 3rd gen ready though? I cant find it on their website
latent bronze
I looked on newegg and even says it https://cdn.cnetcontent.com/syndication/mediaserverredirect/1904845db9b7c8ddda07714ed8871926/original.jpg
wanton sail
Nice
foggy hazel
@wanton sail any questions or anything?
wanton sail
@foggy hazel the warning it gives I would just maybe have to flash the bios eh? Other than that just researching
latent bronze
pcpartpicker warning just ignore it
There is a lot of boards now coming at 3000 ready but the site won't really notice it like that so it would give off a compatibility warning
foggy hazel
@wanton sail that is a false one, see the "cpu support list" i posted a picture of earlier? that is your board.
there is no need for a bios update.
latent bronze
retail sites would also tell him if it is 3000 ready
foggy hazel
retail sites have a "interest" in being optimistic :)
but yes, generally retail sites will say so
wanton sail
Ah k yeah figured that was all thanks
foggy hazel
except, newegg has no mention of that one @latent bronze
(unless i am blind, which is not impossible)
wanton sail
That cpu doesnt run hot enough for a cooler
wanton sail
K thought that might be case thanks
foggy hazel
np
latent bronze
Ya the ASRock board would need a bios update
foggy hazel
no, it would not :)
as i said, the cpu support link i pasted above? it has had support since the day that board was born
latent bronze
Well the board i want to replace mine to is this https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b450m-steel-legend/p/N82E16813157868?&quicklink=true
This is what i am using now
earnest olive
@wispy matrix dont pair r7 3700x with rx 580 for gaming
that's like buying a race car and putting square wheels on it
lyric thistle
it ain't that bad man
earnest olive
downgrade cpu to r5 3600 and remove one of the 16gb ram
put that money towards a better gpu
can prob afford 2080S on that budget
lyric thistle
single channel?
earnest olive
2x8 gb dual channel
he has 4 sticks rn
your games will run so much better if you do that
if your budget is 1200 there's no reason to go for entry level graphics
latent bronze
It is good to have 32gb of memory right now
earnest olive
RX 580 is more appropriate for a $500 build
wispy matrix
I’m dealing with a 1200 budget and I want something like this (took this from build pics but I was actually was gonna design something like this
wispy matrix
It’s not my full specs bc I’m new to the building PCs
earnest olive
you can go at LEAST 2070S on that budget
even if you want to keep the 32gb ram
I would recommend making all your ram modules the same though
I personally don't think 32gb ram is cost effective at this budget
foggy hazel
@earnest olive i would like to remind you, machines have other purposes than pure gaming.
earnest olive
that's true but if he's going for an aesthetic like that it's probably a gaming rig
foggy hazel
instead of "probably", please take the time to ask :)
upper condor
@wispy matrix what is this used for? (Resolution, games, work uses)
wispy matrix
This is gonna be used for gaming, designing and a bit of Work uses
upper condor
What programs
wispy matrix
Adope
vague elbow
Nothing special it's an older PC I finally hung up on the wall. However, I have the same case for the living room which those are more impressive because they are new if you'd like those, but if you want the old specs I can also give you those lol
clever shadow
@wispy matrix my build has the gtx 1660 super for gpu and the ryzen 7 2700x with the stock air cooler in it and two 8 gb sticks of corsair 3200 ram in a green raidmax gama case if you want to see close ups i can get them just let me know
that pic you got from build pics was my comp
vague elbow
Old rig in the office:
ASUS ROG Maximus V Formula
i7-3770k
Corsair H100i v2
Corsair GS800
Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3-1600 C8
Samsung 860 Pro 60GB SATA (Boot)
OCZ Vertex 4 256GB SATA (Games)
ASUS ROG Strix 1080TI 11GB OC Edition
Lian Li PC-07SX Case & Wall Mount
New rig in the living room:
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
Corsair SF600
ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming
Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB DDR4-3600 C16
ASUS ROG Strix 2080 Super
Kingston 240GB A400 SATA (Boot)
Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe 4.0 (Games)
ASUS ROG Ryou
Lian Li PC-05SX & Wall Mount
I think I got everything lol
Wanted to do custom loops for both, but that will come eventually.
foggy hazel
@vague elbow darn, i have not seen one of those logitech subs in a while
its the thx certified one?
vague elbow
Yeah, I've kept it around because it's the best sounding speakers I've heard for computers. Trying to keep it in as good shape as possible. The backlight on the main control has gone out though, but everything else works perfectly 🙂
Yes
foggy hazel
the 5.1 version right?
vague elbow
Correct
foggy hazel
i had the 4.1 predecessor for a number of years when it came out [edit: it]
2001 or something iirc
vague elbow
That was another good one. I definitely like surround so it's hard to get away from these. I haven't seen anyone else make another good surround setup like this one.
foggy hazel
altec lansing did a number of years ago, but dont think they do anything like it anymore
klipsch makes something comparable
but ... price can be slightly different
vague elbow
I'm ok with price as long as it's worth it and will last a long time. Has to sound just as good as these though! 🙂
foggy hazel
try and look up klipsch, and try and ask around to get to listen to a pair if possible
dont get scared away by their pro product line, they have pc setups too :)
vague elbow
I'll take a look around. These speakers actually sound so good I used them for a home theater setup for a while until I got a much better setup.
Granted the room was much smaller then lol
foggy hazel
hm, it kinda looks like klipsch has stopped making them thou :(
vague elbow
Dang that sucks. Seems like Logitech still sells their Z906 speakers. I didn't like the newer ones because the wattage was lower on the speakers and sub IIRC.
foggy hazel
https://www.klipsch.com/products/promedia-5-1-computer-speaker-system <- that is how they looked
look familiar?
vague elbow
Oh yeah! I remember those
foggy hazel
also, try and pull the felt cover on your own speaker off
and things start looking quite similar :D
vague elbow
lol yeah. Sometimes I prefer the look with the cover off. I keep them on though for extra protection against something randomly hitting the cones since I can't replace these.
foggy hazel
aye
understandable
but yeah, anything klipsch does now seems to be more traditional stuff
and at that point, i personally would rather go for studio gear
vague elbow
Yeah, that's understandable. There are a lot of other companies out there that sound just as good if not better than Klipsch.
foggy hazel
oh yes
and i will happily admit i am a sucker for a good set of studio speakers in 2.0
vague elbow
Definitely because they sound amazing.
shrewd cobalt
Is this motherboard of decent quality for a budget build? Someone said its bad quality.
https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B450M-DS3H-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B07FWVJSHC/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Gigabyte+B450M+DS3H+Micro+ATX+AM4+Motherboard&qid=1581803649&sr=8-1
steady plinth
p
vague elbow
What did they say was bad about it?
foggy hazel
@shrewd cobalt its a board, it will work just fine. it will however not score you any reddit points
(which, if you are going for those, i am fairly certain there is a bucket of sand i can put a price tag on )
vestal cove
So everything plugs into the pump?
foggy hazel
by design
vestal cove
The other one isn’t tho
They are the exact same
One plugs into one fan, the plugs into the other fan
uncut charm
Hey can anyone help me my USB ports aren't working and my gpu out is also not working
little osprey
Is this legit
little osprey
Thought so
glossy egret
im sure this is the right place to ask this, but would someone be willing to look through this part list i found and see if there anythings you would change about it, looking to do my first starter build and want it to be best bang for buck. https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ryanlibre/saved/PsJy4D i only play League of legends but im looking to get a 144hz monitor to max gameplay hopin this build can match that in fps
viral ore
👍
finite sable
who here has server raid card experience?
hardy zephyr
i need help with matching some fitings with some hardline tubeing
i suck at the measuremeant thing
all i know is the fittings need to be g1/4
cus im useing ekwb radiators
celest horizon
What kind of server raid card?
wispy matrix
Is Mac good for gaming
lyric thistle
MacDonald's is very bad for gaming, you want to maintain a healthy balanced diet to achieve pure gamer status
wispy matrix
I mean the Apple Mac not the restaurant
lyric thistle
I know, I kid :)
wispy matrix
Good one tho
lyric thistle
from what I have seen of most off the shelf Mac hardware, they don't appear to be too impressive, especially at the lower end (not really budget).
wispy matrix
Alright
lyric thistle
the GPUs in them are often smaller professional cards more comparable to something like a Radeon RX 560, though if you spec it out with enough buck you can get pretty good hardware in there
there's an issue of compatibility and cooling...a lot of games only support Windows, but there might be a way around that which I'm not aware of
and MacBooks especially are prone to thermal throttling issues, which may or may not be truly that bad
I don't use Apple hardware 🙃
wispy matrix
Nice
lyric thistle
they need new batteries, or to be turned into desktop only machines 
upper condor
@wild pulsar Nice looking, specs?
wild pulsar
Ryzen 9 3900, 5700xt red dragon, 32g 2800mhz ram (needs upgraded) tuf x570 Lian li lancool 205 case, coolmaster ml280
And thank you I also just installed three new front fans and one exhaust, the lancool specs says it’ll only fit 2 120/140 fans in front, not if you pull the drive cage then you can fit 3 lol
upper condor
Yeah hate when cases say that
That ram could maybe be overclocked, doubt it though
Those custom cables look super nice
outer token
Btw u can boot windows into a MacBook but I dunno how
sullen spoke
Boot camp
Easiest way to install windows on a mac is using the bootcamp assistant app built onto all macs
vivid atlas
Yeah use BootCamp Assistant
Only thing you need to do is download an ISO file and you’re good to go
limber remnant
Just got my new build together! Super excited about it. Its not exactly what I wanted, I needed to make ends meet but I have the mobo I need which means my biggest potential bottleneck is out of the way. Had to cheap on the cpu because I would rather just not spend as much money on that part since I plan to upgrade it anyway
x570 Asus Pro, 2700x, 3200 32gb ram, m.2 ssd intel 660p, 2060 rtx
and a floppy drive because I have a sick sense of humor
obsidian sand
still trying to decide on a video card here, I got 16 gigs of DDR3 ram in this machine and an old EVO 850 250gig SSD and an AMD FX-8350 Black CPU.. what would be the best card to get for this machine?
I don't have the money to upgrade anaything else and my budget for the card is under $300 canadian
lookign at the 580 RX
its between a 570rx or 580rx, 590rx would be overkill
rocky dirge
Used rx480 for $100 is pretty good
Overclock it and you get close to 580 performance
obsidian sand
i know nothing about OCing
rocky dirge
You could pair it with a ryzen 3 and probably be under $300 total for upgrades
obsidian sand
and I don't want to buy a second hand video card
lol my mobo would nede to be replaced as well
rocky dirge
Ofc
sullen spoke
A 590 is like a oced 580
rocky dirge
1660 super is overkill for a fx8350, but it will serve you nicely for many years
sullen spoke
Overclocking gpus is t that hard, definitely not as hard as cpu overclocking
rocky dirge
1650 super is also really good
sullen spoke
For a fx?
rocky dirge
In general
sullen spoke
Oh yeah that will bottleneck
rocky dirge
But on the plus side, if you get more money, you can upgrade your CPU and your GPU will keep up
sullen spoke
If you have a fx processor you probably just want to wait for a whole pc upgrade
obsidian sand
i only have many for a video card peepz
sullen spoke
Save
obsidian sand
i can pickup a gigabyte RX 570 5 GB Rev2 for $159 canadian
is that as fast as I can get without bottlenecking?
or Can i get faster?
or I can get the RX 580 8gb for $234 cdn
shut rampart
how do I check my pc temp?
sullen spoke
Hardware monitor from cpuid can give you temps
It is useful for a lot of things https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
shut rampart
what does PCH,MOS mean?
little osprey
looking for some RGB advice
little osprey
no but ill make one
i already have a build
my issue is software seems to cause skipping or audio lag
and im curious if anyone knows a fix
upper condor
What software
little osprey
well the one i use for my MOBO is MSI
Mystic Light
but i took it off
i use Logitech G Hub for my keyboard
i wish there was one i could use for everthing
little osprey
im about to buy an 2070S with the RGB so thats gonna add more
and my MOBO and cooler have RGB that i dont have software running for since it lags
zenith glade
Any nice fan coolers that support a LGA 1156 socket?
Or should I just build a pc using parts from this decade instead of using this late 00’s prebuilt that somehow can play games that are less than 10 years old
upper condor
Probably the latter @zenith glade
foggy hazel
you start by reading the manual that comes with the board :)
it has step by step instructions for that
lime forge
assuming its a M.2 drive, right here
cinder vault
You might have to move the standoff screw if the M.2 drive is a different size.
foggy hazel
which will all be mentioned in the manual :)
hence why, reading the manual, is a fair piece of advice.
sudden turret
^^ 
just like the guy that screwed in his m.2 with the actual standoff... bending his drive..
5 mins of reading up on your product will save you a great deal of headache and questions.
foggy hazel
we cannot help you, if you are not willing to help yourself
so far, you have not shown that you are willing to help yourself
wispy matrix
Unless your illiterate
hearty fern
*you're
sonic patio
@median sail bruh all those fans are like $500
sonic patio
i would never spend over 500-600 on just fans thats nuts
hearty fern
guess you could say you're not a big fan
sonic patio
XD good one
i mean i spent a lil over 200 but not 600 XD
15 fans for $40 a pop? oof
hearty fern
what
crystal totem
What's the absolute worst that can go wrong with a cheap PSU? I've got a pretty decent build going on so far that's only cost me $140 but all I need now is a PSU and a case.
hearty fern
it can kill the motherboard and everything connected if it does a power spike rather than trip its internal breaker
rich void
Technically it could start a fire
crystal totem
Oh. That's.. that's nice.
So, just how budget can I get if I only need about 300 Watts?
crystal totem
Do they not deliver as much as they say they do?
hearty fern
to maximize lifespan and efficiency you want to have your system's max load to be 50 to 80% maximum rated wattage
crystal totem
Ah, that makes sense. I don't wanna prematurely kill the PSU. Still, I can't imagine an i3-7100, a GTX 1060, and 1 SSD and HDD using much power at all. But I don't have much of a way to gauge it because I'm frankensteining it out of a Dell T7500 for power so.. way overkill
hearty fern
ok, well the 7100 is a 2/4 and the 1060 is 120w tdp
You could use an oem psu as long as you have the 6 pin for gpu, but I recommend that as a last option. 450w 80+ or better is the way to go so your PC doesn't go from a budget one to a dead one.
little osprey
I have a problem, can anybody help me ?
crystal totem
Lmao
sacred obsidian
what is the problem pugaman
hearty fern
None, I fixed it already
little osprey
So I have a prebuilt Cyberpower PC and I forgot the password, but I have a Linux CD that can override it to reset the password. So in the Bios how do I set the boot device to the CD because it keeps doing back to the login screen without reading the CD first. The 1st Boot device it the DVD/CD Rom but it still won't read the CD?...Any thoughts?...🤔
@sacred obsidian please and thank you?
@hearty fern good one ✋
hearty fern
you either use the bootmenu, or set boot device priority in bios
you may need to enable legacy boot as well
sacred obsidian
it depends on the mobo/bios but there might be another place where you need to set the CD to be priority in boot
little osprey
hearty fern
That is your boot priority
latent bronze
Primary your CD/DVD drive and secondary your actual drive
@little osprey how old is that system cause the connections for that is IDE
little osprey
Yeah it's pretty old, it still has PS2 HAHAHA
latent bronze
There is a lot of modern boards that has PS/2
hearty fern
yeah
little osprey
Wait so where do I from here because its Primary Boot Device is the DVD/ CD Rom but still not reading the Linux CD
?
🤔
latent bronze
When you start up your system look at what commands would show cause there would normally be 2
1 for the bios and 2 to select where to boot
little osprey
OMG LOOK!
hearty fern
I'm looking
hearty fern
what am I holding
little osprey
For what
hearty fern
for why?
hearty fern
ok congrats
little osprey
Here it is
hearty fern
where?
little osprey
@little osprey what is that
hearty fern
Linux boot
sacred obsidian
thank you for taking over ecks im helping someone in private chat lol
little osprey
What are you gonna use linux for @little osprey
I'm resetting the Windows password with the Linux CD
latent bronze
What everyone else uses it for
little osprey
I forgot how to do this guys hahaha
sacred obsidian
i didnt even know that was possible tbh lol
little osprey
@latent bronze dude your really condescending. Lol not a good mix for a mod
sacred obsidian
nah ecks is alright
little osprey
Hes condescending
foggy hazel
@little osprey have you considered that the meaning you see in the words is just in your head?
little osprey
@foggy hazel lol its blantly condescending
foggy hazel
no, it really isnt.
little osprey
How so
foggy hazel
This is not a school playground, so people can actually have opinions.
that is your take on it.
Thankfully, that is also just your opinion.
little osprey
And what your saying is your opinion
foggy hazel
correct.
never claimed it was anything else
the one that so far has tried to state how someone else should behave. is you.
little osprey
But you should act with respect and kindness
foggy hazel
How a person acts reflects on them, and them alone.
little osprey
What's a good cooler for the 3900X?
Anything really
Even stock cooler will work
Who's the lurker that 
ed that
foggy hazel
@little osprey depends on the goal for the system? absolute silence? d12/d15
little osprey
Depends on how well and silent and liquid or not
@little osprey
Noctuas nhd15 for air and any 280mm aio
How much does silence impact performance
I think evga has their 280 for 90$ rn
Not much
Ok then I would go for silence
I'm getting a 2080ti gaming x trio
Aios are more quiet
I would go for a 360mm personally
foggy hazel
AIO's generally have pump noise
foggy hazel
Pumps make noise.
hearty fern
indeed
foggy hazel
this is fact
little osprey
Sure but not much
foggy hazel
not opinion.
little osprey
Well if you have a front mounted 360mm you can hear the pump
hearty fern
so do hearts
little osprey
Or else non would sell
And if you have a large and loud gpu
You wont hear it unless you have your head against the block
foggy hazel
go and read any comparison test/review of AIO's and air coolers
that depends entirely on the noise-floor of your office/room @little osprey
hearty fern
My floor is loud bc dorm
little osprey
Me thinks @foggy hazel is an air cooler lover lol
hearty fern
elephant ppl
little osprey
To each their own
foggy hazel
@little osprey re: silence impact performance: Not at all
little osprey
How about something like this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H25DZ3M/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_MwFsEb0Y7EPA3
hearty fern
oof
little osprey
Even though it's for a threadripper
latent bronze
Wait did i read this right did he say any 280mm AIO?
hearty fern
newegg sale
edgy oasis
Ne-wegg
foggy hazel
@little osprey will not fit on the socket generally
little osprey
Ah
foggy hazel
of the 3900 that is
edgy oasis
280mm wow that's quiet huh?
foggy hazel
@little osprey if that is how you read things, so be it.
little osprey
I would stay toward corsair or nzxt for aios
They have the longest warranties
Lol @foggy hazel you read too much into it
foggy hazel
the "fun" thing about an AIO is that IF the pump goes, you are VERY much out of luck
little osprey
It was a joke
I would prefer an aio because I like to lightly OC
And pumps hardly fail
Just like if a fan dies
On an aircooler
foggy hazel
@little osprey let the cpu do its own thing. because the "headroom" you have, is barely there
foggy hazel
i have a crate of broken AIO's from the last quarter at work. and i have .. 7 broken fans from the last year
guess what is broken on all the AIO's?
little osprey
Lol there can only be one thing broken @foggy hazel
The pump
Unless someone man handles the tubes
foggy hazel
tubes can "slip" in the seals too.
little osprey
True
foggy hazel
because that is the "variance" you have with AIO's
hearty fern
only one slipping here is you brochacho
little osprey
How about a h100i platinum
As long as you go with a reputable brand you'll be fine
foggy hazel
if you want to pay for it? go for it.
little osprey
H100i is nice
foggy hazel
IF you want the same or better performance go for a nh-d15
latent bronze
or better
little osprey
Noctua is nice but depends on the case
foggy hazel
@little osprey please, 2+2 = 4, just because you stamp your feet does not make it magically equal 5
facts over fiction @little osprey
latent bronze
no swearing
foggy hazel
as i said earlier, this isnt a playground, we are talking about hardware.
little osprey
Yeah
foggy hazel
i stick to the hardware, so far, i have not seen anything from you that counters?
little osprey
I'm going to ask my mentor on this issue the setup is crazy but I appreciate the help guys thanks! 😎👍
foggy hazel
then what was the noise you made earlier then?
foggy hazel
as i said a while ago, read the words :)
latent bronze
Didn't you say before as well 280mm so why the 360mm instead?
foggy hazel
@stoic island it is fairly basic physics and material understanding. Have a big enough lump of metal, you can remove heat worth X amount of water
scale the water up high enough? congrats, you just beat the static sized lump of metal
was it you i talked with about the zalman cooler? if so, that also applies there :)
stoic island
I should've checked how large the cooler is xD
yea it was me
I thought h150i vs h100i was just better pump or smth
but its like 240mm vs 360mm
foggy hazel
the 300 extra gram is what helps the zalman beat the d15
foggy hazel
but as i said back then, i am looking forward, from a technical POV on things changing
stoic island
it was my mistake
foggy hazel
welcome to silly product names :)
stoic island
well, it is what it is
foggy hazel
aye :)
stoic island
this might answer it
foggy hazel
hahahaha
stoic island
compared to the d15 fan at like 1500rpm full load
sullen spoke
Must sound nice
foggy hazel
well, you will know if the fans are running at least
foggy hazel
aye aye
sullen spoke
stoic island
this is an older page tho
zalman prob beats d15 in most everything sadly
tho
Air cooler master race
jkjkjk
but air cooler gang
foggy hazel
reliability over anything is my main point with my stance @stoic island
unless it 100% needs water, like come cpu/gpu compute clusters do
then i really don't see the point for consumers to "need" it
"want" it? sure, go ahead.
just dont complain that your budget is tight at the same time :)
stoic island
Well, if they want to fit in an AIO in a 2000$ build, sure that works.
but if they want one in a 700$ build? bad idea
foggy hazel
well, if they actually want it (in the 700 build) then i am perfectly fine with having a serious look at it
but when we get to silly stuff like, 1 stick of ram and a mech hdd because otherwise there is no money for the AIO? no.
just no.
stoic island
well, I would rather steer them away from AIO at 700$ range xD
like at that range its good enough for stock cooler (for amd)
hearty fern
want the need
foggy hazel
you already did.
latent bronze
Well i am happy with my 212 Evo RGB
foggy hazel
i still think that one is overrated, but again, i am also looking at things from a slightly different perspective
latent bronze
I paid 27$ Canadian so
foggy hazel
aye aye, there is no doubt it can be a decent budget option. but .. yeah :)
latent bronze
Also max temps when gaming i get is 47c
foggy hazel
as long as a chip is not throttling, i honestly dont care
silence for me, is a premium :)
sullen spoke
Or we can just all buy a $800 custom loop
foggy hazel
i said silence, not pump gurgling
sullen spoke
Gurgle gurgle
foggy hazel
@hearty fern considering what i do for a living. I would be fired if i didnt.
foggy hazel
if that is how you read it? that is entirely on you :)
hearty fern
seeing as how specific my statement was, that might not be a total naturalization of your job, but your answer implies it is indeed part of it.
Unless you're building PCs for people with tinnitus that want overclocks, seems weird that you'd be required to return any gpu that had coil whine when tuned/OCd over their rated speeds.
stoic island
if
if he did OC the GPU for a customer, and it had coil whine, he would return them
I'm reading this as a hypothetical
foggy hazel
you seem to be hitting the limits of what you can imagine that i do. Fascinating.
stoic island
Well, I'm making a generalization, for better or worse.
lunar bane
Naed I have a question
foggy hazel
@lunar bane ask away
lunar bane
Is it trustworthy to get products from newegg by third party sellers? Im looking at Beach Audio and theres mixed review that they ship faulty or good
Im getting nzxt aer 2 rgb fans 3 pack 120mm
foggy hazel
Sadly i cannot answer that, because i have never shopped at newegg myself. I am not stateside or anywhere where newegg is actually competitive :)
lunar bane
Oh
foggy hazel
for questions like that, i would normally refer you to one of the US based people :)
lunar bane
Alright
foggy hazel
sorry mate :)
lunar bane
Its fine
sullen spoke
Omg no wegg?
stoic island
Well anyways Naed, could you tell us if that is within your work or is it not? If you cannot answer that question or don't feel comfortable answering the question, it's okay.
foggy hazel
@lunar bane what you can try and do, and maybe have someone weigh in with some experience on it. Is post in #old-cooling with the actual link to the sellers page?
sullen spoke
What are you doing in wegg discord if you don’t shop wegg?!? 
hearty fern
yes
foggy hazel
I joined to have a chat with some people, on behalf of a friend a good while back. And then decided that the community seemed like a decent enough place. And i have stuck around
@stoic island it is technically a very very small part of a small part of what i do
sullen spoke
Now you are forced to shop wegg 
stoic island
Ah, I understand.
foggy hazel
also, considering i have the knowledge, i dont see a problem in sharing what i know.
hearty fern
Do you have knowledge?
sullen spoke
What is knowledge?
lunar bane
@foggy hazel ill try just gonna ask customer service on newegg first
hearty fern
seems subjective
foggy hazel
@lunar bane monday (for you) when newegg opens, there should be a staff member that joins, the neweggservice or something like that, you can message that person :)
(here on discord that is)
lunar bane
Ah didnt knew that
hearty fern
yes
lunar bane
Well im talking to support rn and they seem they might have the answer
foggy hazel
sweet :) could you relay it either in pm or here? i would be interested to know what they say @lunar bane
lunar bane
Ill see
stoic island
I wonder if returns would go through Newegg or 3rd party for a third party seller
Because that could be an important point
lunar bane
Naed they said they couldnt help on that and would recommend i contact the third party seller @foggy hazel
foggy hazel
based on that, it seems they have about the same relationship that amazon has with theirs
have a look at your credit card, and what kind of insurance it has. Over here that can sometimes help with stuff like that
lunar bane
I just dont really still know
stoic island
Basically, it's risky, if you could avoid it, you should.
Unless you have some kind of protection like returns
foggy hazel
do your due diligence Rex
lunar bane
Restock fee %15
Unbeatable sales on amazon cost $7 more but has even better positive reviews than besch audio
Hm need to dive deeper
foggy hazel
if you are looking at review scores, remember to read the actual reviews
a fair number(close to all) of all reviews, really dont know left from right or hot from cold.
i have had, the "pleasure" of having a workplace rated very low because the customer read the sign for our hours wrong
as in, customer shows up 2 hours AFTER we closed
lunar bane
Oof
Yeah im reading the reviews rn
And they are faulty....
Getting the twin pack and one pack separate is better i guess sold from amazon
Cost $10 more but safer route and cheaper than some third sellers
Alright thanks
sonic patio
yikes bro
noble flower
Yo im spending 800 pounds on a gaming pc any ideas?
vivid atlas
Building or prebuilt ?
noble flower
Im going to customise a prebuilt
novel spade
looking for Airpods for daughter, I dont know much about them. first generation or second generation and new or refubished??? Can anyone give me some advice?
upper condor
@noble flower do you already have the prebuilt
strange thorn
what is the diference in ram if mb support list says HX426C16FB2/8 instead of HX426C16FB3/8 dose it make a lot of diff for ram support?
upper condor
No
upper condor
What ram and what mobo @strange thorn
strange thorn
B450M S2H (rev. 1.0) and kingston hyperx ddr4 2666 cl16 4GB bying 2 sticks
its for amd ryzen 3200g
maybe even 12 so 2 go for vram
mb its 3200
strange thorn
serbia
strange thorn
every kit has fb3 instead of fb2 as in mobo supp list
upper condor
@strange thorn what site do u use to buy ram
strange thorn
those 3 are either free shipping and cheapest
plus i have a monitor that i would like to reuse so mobo has to stick only vga
its old but great
strange thorn
geil evo forza 3200 cl16 100
stoic island
I cant read but I'll try to look for smth
strange thorn
there is 8g hyperx cl15 3000mhz for 51usd
stoic island
is there amazon?
strange thorn
nah
stoic island
I'm not finding any good deals
strange thorn
to much for shiping
stoic island
its like looking through vietnamese sites all over again
stoic island
there isnt many deals
strange thorn
mobile
stoic island
I'm just looking through with google translate
strange thorn
and find an option to translate
they dont give deals here
not good at all
everything is slaped with shipping price pretty much
ur 120 usd b450 arous elite here is 140
stoic island
but anyways
stoic island
Look for 3200mhz cl16 ram
Geil is just iffy
strange thorn
there are good 3000 cl15 1k cheaper
stoic island
what cpu you using again?
stoic island
Yea... You'll prob want 3200mhz ram for that
sullen spoke
In store can often be cheaper
strange thorn
21
210
and its not like its tons better
2600 is 16k
or 160
for u
or 2700 non x is 210
was thinking 3000g
athlon
but it requires cooler
so for 50 for coler its same as r3 3200g with a in box
stoic island
ohhhh
strange thorn
or just leave it for my parrents
stoic island
I thought you were going with a APU only build
if you're gonna upgrade to a gpu, that doesn't really matter
strange thorn
and its 768p pannel
stoic island
oof
strange thorn
yeah well
stoic island
I didn't even know that existed
stoic island
I only really see like 600p, 720p, 1080p, 1440p, 3440p, and the ultrawide versions
stoic island
ah
strange thorn
i could just stick a cheep 580 in it
there was a good deal on ali
but you wait 30 40 days
for shipinh
strange thorn
stoic island
just slightly concerned about it being used
stoic island
oh shoot
strange thorn
and plus gpu comes with new pannel
stoic island
you wont have free returns
stoic island
sullen spoke
Ali express
wispy matrix
@median sail why do you need so much fans
noble flower
Yo im spending 800 pounds on a gaming pc any ideas?
round river
sullen spoke
If there is a sign that it is still running give it a little longer. If it is frozen you probably have to restart it
Btw are you using a HDD or a SSD?
mossy pine
Hi
Kinda want to build a new computer but not sure what to do as far as parts. Its been almost 20 years since ive done it
How do u get help here lol
wispy matrix
Video kid they will help you out soon
It’s still early
And how much is a decent gaming pc I can build
mossy pine
Ok hopefully they ping me lol
stoic island
@mossy pine this isn't a prime time to find help, at night US time is a good time. But I can try to help
mossy pine
Ok anything will help lol
I just know alot has changed since i was into it and i havent kept up on the changing technology. My computer now is from 2004
sullen spoke
Are you looking for parts to build or advice on building it
stoic island
Think you might need to ping them
sullen spoke
@mossy pine ping ping
mossy pine
Advice on what parts to get lol
That is what i have now but way too old
Ok cant post pics
latent bronze
You can say what you have instead
mossy pine
Not sure what i need. I want something fast but kinda inexpensive. I don't think i need a gaming laptop but dont want it to lag when im doing stuff. Maybe 400-500?
Compaq Presario Media Center SR2013WM - tower - Athlon 64 3800+ 2.4 GHz - 512 MB - 160 GB |
Only i think mine is3.2ghz
latent bronze
If you're planning on spending 500$ on new parts you would mainly be using a APU system with a 2400G/3400G
sullen spoke
Or search around for decent used parts like Demonmit1
I’m not very good with low budgets
mossy pine
I dont know whatb apu is lol
latent bronze
APU is a CPU and GPU in one
sullen spoke
APUs are good for low budget
latent bronze
Like it is able to do a lot of things including gaming but don't expect to play on high settings unless you're playing like Overwatch or League of Legends
mossy pine
Ok the only games ive played on pc is baldur's gate and vampire the masquerade and brave frontier
latent bronze
No newer titles?
mossy pine
No. Never really got into the gun games like cod or anything
latent bronze
ok well newer games doesn't always have to be a shooter
mossy pine
I know just not much time to play around lately
latent bronze
@mossy pine this would be the ideal system https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rH8MMc
wispy matrix
How much is a decent pc
latent bronze
decent is the link i just posted
if you want good then replace the APU for a 3600 and add in something like a 1660 Super
mossy pine
Is that a liquid cooler or is it not needed
latent bronze
That is a air cooler on it and you wont need a AIO
even with using PBO2 on you would be fine
mossy pine
I dont know thesw abbreviations
rich void
The 3400g comes with a stock cooler, on a budget build it seems like you could either save the $20 or put it towards something like more storage
latent bronze
PBO2 is sort of like a self overclocking
@rich void if he would plan on overclocking the APU a better cooler would be needed
rich void
Agreed
latent bronze
remember the heat is not only from the CPU side of things but also the GPU
mossy pine
I dont know how to overclock lol
rich void
You could always start out on the stock cooler and get a better one if needed
latent bronze
It is not that complicated especially with all the things there is now
Also better to get the better one now since it is in his budget
@mossy pine Pretty much that build and the games you play you would be able to see it at maxed settings and getting like 100 to 200 frames
@sullen spoke you have so much cleaning to do there
that front better be clean by the time i get back young man lol
sullen spoke
Oh this is going to be a while
stoic island
Well
You could make it much easier and like
yeet the aftermarket cooler out of there
get some 3600mhz ram
latent bronze
it is a 3400G wouldn't really need 3600MHz memory
latent bronze
Depending on what you plan on playing what i mentioned would be the ideal type
stoic island
It doesn't need it, but I'm assuming they just want to speed up tasks like idk chrome
latent bronze
So pretty much the same part list i did there but replace the 3400G with like a 2700 or 3600 and put in a 1660 Super or a 2060
stoic island
I'd change out some stuff for a higher budget
latent bronze
You would but would it really be needed
stoic island
Also, this is what I would do for the 500$ build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XXhgrV
Well, if they wanted a 3900x
or something
you gotta put on a much better cpu cooler
latent bronze
For what he mentioned on playing the nvme would be pointless
stoic island
he's not focusing on gaming tho
wispy matrix
stoic island
he wants it for everyday tasks
and speed it all up
either use a different CPU cooler, or you can just use stock cooler
you should prob get 3600mhz ram for a 3700x
latent bronze
@wispy matrix 1660 Super
stoic island
actually wait
@wispy matrix you only really want it to play games right
bc 3700x seems overkill unless you video edit or something
latent bronze
Also from the OP and my build https://i.gyazo.com/fd76e789744bfef87e8cb5355916ea41.png
wispy matrix
I want to do multitasking like games designing and some online stuff
latent bronze
Now why would someone want a nvme for that Mr1111
stoic island
also from OP
I'm assuming they want to speed up everyday tasks
because NVME drive plus 12gb more storage for 7$ more is worth it imo
mossy pine
I just want something a lil fsdter than whatbi currently have
latent bronze
@mossy pine This build you would have no problems at all https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XXhgrV
stoic island
also nvme drives are neater with less cables but thats a preference
latent bronze
Lot of modern cases now the SSD is hidden in the back so you don't even notice the cable
stoic island
I mean like neater to build
I dont like working with cables
possibly bc the sleeving on my cables from my psu make them pretty thicc
latent bronze
It is still very neat
stoic island
I should stop using neat
wispy matrix
I also forgot mentioning World of Warcraft as my games that I play
latent bronze
only after you
stoic island
easier would be more like my intention for that sentence
stoic island
Oh yea
my cable management is really basic and bad
I just drag them and stuff as much into the back as possible
so I cant say much
latent bronze
Um you really should see when Demonmit builds a system cause he has build in that case which you don't even see the cables
Also case is black the board and pretty much black and the sata cable is black i am pretty sure you would have a hard time noticing it at first glance
sullen spoke
Yeah I need help with cable management my case has literally no clearance on the top of the mobo
stoic island
I stuff them on the side
sullen spoke
I forgot got to take out the cpu cooler 
stoic island
I also couldn't cable manage the cpu fan cables
mossy pine
I think i want a solid state drive instead of the old drives ive heard there much faster
stoic island
If you look near the bottom I just stuff them into the back
latent bronze
@mossy pine there is a SSD in the build
stoic island
M.2 nvme SSDs are actually a fair bit faster than larger SATA SSDs
mossy pine
Ok. Can u put more than one?
stoic island
Yea ecks but there isn't many other places to put it
@mossy pine how much storage do you need?
Because 512gb on a nvme ssd seems like good enough
latent bronze
@mossy pine you can still use a hard drive in your system just the SSD would be the primary and the hard drive would be the secondary
mossy pine
Id like atleast 2tb ive got 5 drives to backup cauze 2 are failing and thats almost 360gb
I store alot of music and movies lol
latent bronze
Do you have a working 2TB drive now?
mossy pine
I also got a external usb 1tb thats full
No there all scattered on different drives lol
That's why I want one big one to bring it all together inThe one place
I don't trust the two hard drives I have now with a lot of the important stuff cuz I've had issues with them not booting up and not powering on sometimes.
latent bronze
Well for now with what is on that list you would be fine until you have money to get yourself a new 2TB hard drive for a secondary
mossy pine
Ok what about memory is that the max i can do on that board
median sail
@wispy matrix for a light show
stoic island
@mossy pine you don't need more memory than 16gb, but max on the board should be like 128gb
mossy pine
Thought it said 32gb
latent bronze
in my list there is 16gb
little osprey
@latent bronze
latent bronze
?
little osprey
Do you actually run a Pentium 3?
little osprey
Been a while since I saw someone run a Pentium 3
So you have another computer then?
little osprey
@latent bronze what are those specs
latent bronze
my main system is a R5 2600 16gb memory and a 1660
little osprey
Great value parts
2600 has been the go to for a while
I remember paying 330$ for a quad core in 2017
stoic island
Um
What CPU
stoic island
330$ for a quad core?
little osprey
7700k
little osprey
No
Top tier
Anyhow now I run with 3700x
I like it except monitoring on amd cpus sucks ass
stoic island
?
stoic island
I haven't had any issues with it
little osprey
Because cores go to sleep and such
little osprey
Nah I have pbo disabled
Just xfr
I might end up doing an all core oc
Something like 4.2
stoic island
1.375 iirc
stoic island
I usually leave it on PBO, when I use my all core oc, it's for benchmark scores
stoic island
2070 non S
stoic island
I can't break 10k overall on time spy and it's really annoying
little osprey
2080 ti
stoic island
Nice
little osprey
I get over 10k
little osprey
I take that back
stoic island
But my GPU score is like 9700
little osprey
I think I got around 12k
stoic island
Time spy normal, not time spy extreme
little osprey
Oh
stoic island
One of them is 4k, one of them is 1440p iirc
little osprey
Yeah extreme is 4k
stoic island
Have you done port royal? It's not really a good score to compare but it's fun to watch lol
The benchmark
little osprey
I havent yet
stoic island
It's kinda fun watching the reflections knowing it's real time raytracing
stoic island
Sadly I don't have any game I play often that supports rtx
Quake 2 rtx looked really neat tho
little osprey
You can get the free quake 2
stoic island
Actually no other game than quake 2 rtx and Minecraft if that counts
stoic island
I'm not too into cyberpunk sooo
stoic island
I haven't even tried Minecraft rtx
little osprey
Metro
stoic island
Got Wolfenstein for free with my GPU but never tried it
stoic island
I don't have control :p
I think that came with 2080s and 2080tis
jaunty karma
violet island
Okay I'm still stuck on this, my 3 fans have a 4-pin 12VRGB connector, but my motherboard has a 5-pin 12VRGBW connector. The motherboard manual says you should be able to get a 4-pin into a 5-pin but it's not working. Can anyone help?