#building-and-recc-chat

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viral ore
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why?

foggy hazel
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hm, that looks like a btx board

viral ore
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sff is the third smallest one

foggy hazel
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cheers, didnt see the sff part

viral ore
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btx one is the second smallest one

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or

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maybe it also is btx

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what do ya know ur right naed

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the usff is the proprietary one

foggy hazel
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the smallest is picobtx

viral ore
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:0

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thats a standard

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?

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ive never heard of that

foggy hazel
viral ore
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thats crazy

foggy hazel
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that is the usff you mentioned

viral ore
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no, the usff is much smaller

foggy hazel
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the btx is indeed a standard :)

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have a gander

viral ore
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i knew btx was a thing

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i didnt realize there were multiple variations of it lol

foggy hazel
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ah, page 3

viral ore
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neat

foggy hazel
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link me the board you talked about?

viral ore
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thats the sff

foggy hazel
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look at the ram slots vs the one i linked

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aside from a different "shape/orientation" the actual area is quite close between those two at least

viral ore
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no

foggy hazel
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because that is quite small for its time

viral ore
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the one i was thinking of when i meant usff was real small, but i didnt realize that that form factor was only in the new optiplex pcs

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tbh, i thought all optiplex boards aside from the MT were proprietary, didnt realize they were btx

foggy hazel
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ah :)

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okay :)

olive hollow
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Is it okay to have this protective film thingy over the fan?

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viral ore
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the filter?

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yes

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it keeps the dust out

olive hollow
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Even if the fan is blowing outwards?

viral ore
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oh

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in that case remove it

sacred obsidian
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is that the front of the case?

viral ore
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it must be the top

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thats a top magnetic filter

sacred obsidian
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my case has the same filter on front and top

viral ore
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weird

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wait what case

sacred obsidian
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i would just leave the filter on. doesnt hurt and it looks like there only one fan on there so dust could still sneak in through the sides

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uh

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rosewill somethin or other

viral ore
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oof

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.

sacred obsidian
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wait i lied

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i mean it has magnetic filter on front and top

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but ones 2 fan and one is 3 fan

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also has a single dust filter on the bottom for psu fan

viral ore
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ahh

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dope

sacred obsidian
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but the filters look exactly the same except ones longer lol

olive hollow
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no i only have 4 fans, i had it set up as 1 blows out 3 blow in but i decided to change it to 2 and 2

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and the magnetic filter is on the top and bottom

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so i should just leave it on?

sacred obsidian
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you cant take it off or leave it on.

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it might have slightly better dust protection with it on but shouldnt be much if the fans are blowing out

olive hollow
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okay thank you guys

sacred obsidian
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np

little osprey
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God I wish I had money to build something

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get a job

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I’m 15

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and?

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Not really a viable option

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Pretty sure California says naw till I’m 16

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can't you mow lawns and clean gutters?

warped moat
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You can legally work at 13

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If you get permission from your school

celest horizon
tardy olive
little osprey
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More light would be nice

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Can’t really see it

tardy olive
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And what else?

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Bigger desk mat and another monitor?

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And anything else?

foggy hazel
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whatever you think is important to you. it is YOUR setup

austere radish
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would be getting a 3950x kinda stupid with i guess ryzen 4000 coming in lets say q3

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?

little osprey
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It will still be a boppin cpu

cursive wharf
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depends on what you do and what you have

icy steppe
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Anyone know of a good res, pump, and 2070s coolers? im looking to do a custom loop in my Lian LI Dynamic case when i do a new build in the next few months

foggy hazel
icy steppe
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oh you right

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thank you

foggy hazel
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np :)

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it is just more directed :)

little osprey
foggy hazel
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for your sake, i hope you have had a look at the QVL of that board

teal bison
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also i heard 1st gen TR had a lot of problems, but i dont know if they have been fixed

cursive wharf
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It's already overpriced cuz 3900x and cheaper mobo

teal bison
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3900x is 500 and then at least a 115 mobo

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oh is it 470?

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but yeah i think the rest of the build is overpriced

cursive wharf
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only useful thing that TR build has would be PCIe lanes and memory bandwidth. Tho PCIe lanes dont seemed to be used and memory bandwidth generally wont make such an improvement with that CPU, probs would want a more powerful CPU instead

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Instead of buying Windows full price, get a R VII as that is a better built GPU for workstation loads

foggy hazel
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depends on what kind of workstation loads the person is doing @cursive wharf

cursive wharf
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true I guess

foggy hazel
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cuda is not going to work just because you say so @cursive wharf

cursive wharf
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Was originally a 5700XT in the build. Switching out to a R VII is safe to say it'd give at least a slight boost in perf, if it were GPU bounded

foggy hazel
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combine the two previous things i said, and you have the answer to that.

cursive wharf
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yeah

short arrow
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Pls ping me with replies

teal bison
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do you live in the US?

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oh hey you are the one guy

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@short arrow

cursive wharf
wintry ore
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So I'm making my first build in about a week, should I go with a ryzen 7 2700 or a ryzen 5 3600

wintry dragon
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3600

wintry ore
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sorry 2700x

latent bronze
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But there is nothing wrong with the board he picked

cursive wharf
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@latent bronze except for less M2 slots, no 12v RGB headers, less 16x PCIe lanes, no WiFi, less USB 3.0 slots if you want a tomahawk instead of a Aorus Pro WiFi for example (which is the same price)

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all just for better VRMs that arent being used

latent bronze
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straight from the manual of that MSI board

teal bison
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What would you guys recommend upgrading next? At christmas i upgraded the cpu from an i3-8100. And yes, i know, i made some... interesting... purchasing decisions. This was a couple years ago when didnt know hardly anything about computers. I was thinking of waiting until ampere and upgrading my gpu, as i'm happy with my performance right now
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/74vvdm

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grizzled bloom
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First pc build recommendations

teal bison
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what is your budget?

latent bronze
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Budget

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Games

grizzled bloom
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I would say around 800 is my limit

latent bronze
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Streaming or not

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1080p or 1440p

grizzled bloom
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Games: Fortnite, Call of duty, GTA

little osprey
grizzled bloom
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I would probably start streaming later on

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And 1080 or 1440

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But for now it would be strictly gaming

teal bison
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do you live in the US?

grizzled bloom
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Yes

teal bison
latent bronze
grizzled bloom
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Yea I’m been on the site before but I’m new to pc and I don’t know what would be good and what would be a waste of my money and time

latent bronze
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He picked the wrong 2060

teal bison
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oh wait ya thats the single fan im bling

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blind

latent bronze
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and it is not the KO

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my list at least has it

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450w is also too little

grizzled bloom
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I’m slow bruh I saw the links and didn’t know that they had parts already picked out 😂

latent bronze
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i picked out the parts

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well from the list i posted

teal bison
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that psu isnt very well tiered, at least in the ltt tier list

latent bronze
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yes because personal experience should always be over ruled by Linus

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhGZgWcQDM8 This guy is friends with Linus and he even goes to say how dumb of a thing Linus did when he tested out that APU

YouTube
Austin Evans
I put a $50 CPU in a $2000 GAMING PC

You SHOULDN'T put the AMD Athlon 3000G alongside an RTX 2080Ti...or should you? 🥴
Never buy THIS Mystery Tech 🎁 https://youtu.be/97voWteTjXM
How next gen Ryzen will change the game 💻 https://youtu.be/aUvB-3gG1YA

Linus' video on the Athlon 3000G https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI...

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teal bison
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thats not related at all, the list isnt made by linus, its made by members of the forum

latent bronze
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so even worst then

rough loom
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not necessarily. Because a collective group cross checking components is often times very efficient

latent bronze
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But here is the thing what if some gets a faulty PSU and just dismiss it after using is once and then share that information on it being bad and end up being on the low tier what does that say really

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Cause everything you pretty much buy could be faulty it is a chance we all take but there is people that buys something once and dismiss it as something bad

rough loom
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The psu list is often cross checked over multiple sources. ive looked and checked

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then also looked over by the moderation staff

cursive wharf
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@latent bronze a good 450w is better then a cheap and poor 620w

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M12/S12 sucks. Complete overrated garbage

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Dont want your PSU dying now from some missing modern protections because you decided to go for a higher wattage?

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Or get instability at running 450w plus despite being a 650w

rough loom
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Personally lowest I would go is a decently rated 550

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to skimp on the one thing that can make or break all the components in your system in a failure is stupid

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saving 20-30 bucks on something that could cost you many hundreds if not more is not a risk to cost I would ever advise

cursive wharf
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If you want to know what the LTT tier list is based off of, go take a look at the sources and tell me whether it's based off of actually testing voltage ripple/regulation, transient response, mutli railing, protections, capacitor quality, fan quality, noise (from fan or coil whine), operating temperature, hold up time, inrush current, efficiency, and solder quality; or whether it's based off of "her der, I got a faulty PSU!!111! This PSU bad"

teal bison
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had to go but thanks guys

wintry dragon
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Im making a vaporwave themed pc and was gonna laser engrave the front panel, anyone got some suggestions for what i should put on it? (text or an image dont matter)

rough loom
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Superglue vapes in the shape of a wave on the front

wintry dragon
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what does that even mean

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i think i get what you are saying but i cant afford that many vapes lol

rough loom
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XD

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is for the best

wintry dragon
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anyone else got suggestions?

cursive wharf
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@grizzled bloom So, few changes Ive made from everyone elses build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BJ6PQq
-cooler: 212 is overrated garbage. Way too overpriced
-mobo: getting you a board that has a good sound chip, WiFi, few other features here and there
-SSD: GX2 is DRAMless and HMBless. So it can have sucky performance. Also not NVMe
-memory: overpriced for what they are
-case: bad airflow
-PSU: lacks protections to keep your PC safe. So it is garbage

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grizzled bloom
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Thanks y’all

latent bronze
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212 EVO RGB is a great cooler i don't know what you're talking about

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47c max temps i was getting while gaming and i am using a 2600 as well

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SSD is perfectly fine there is no issues with it and if system is used for gaming there is no performance difference really between a 2.5" and a NVMe

cursive wharf
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$44 for a cooler or $21 for a cooler that performs better? What do you want to choose?

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The pricier one that is worse in perf, or the cheaper one that is better in perf?

latent bronze
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how is the 212 evo RGB worst?

cursive wharf
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Also note for SSD, DRAMless/HMBless can very easily make a difference

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which was my main concern. Just so happened that the cheapest SSD that had DRAM/HMB was an NVMe

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As for the cooler, could be fin volume/density or fan quality. But it doesnt perform as well as a Gammaxx 400

latent bronze
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Well i own the 212 EVO RGB and honestly better than the Deepcool i was using and i am using a R5 2600

cursive wharf
latent bronze
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Got one from a AMD CPU

cursive wharf
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and, even if it was worse. Good luck comparing the 212 to the Macho Rev C (a $44 cooler)

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Why does it matter what CPU it is? The heat output is the same in both tests

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direct comparison

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probably more heat too given that it is an older CPU OCed

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Even noise level is eh
Gammaxx 50% fan = 58c @ 20.7dB
Hyper212 100% fan = 70.7c @ 22.8dB

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So not only does the Gammaxx beat it in raw cooling performance, but noise normalized performance too

latent bronze
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But hey i guess all CPU's should be the same temps then right

cursive wharf
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But uh, think about an OCed delidded 7700k, good AIO vs 212. ambient temp is 20c. OCed 7700k is not doing to go over 150w by much. So temp should be 35c right? Even on a good AIO temps are like 65c+

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So idk how that 212 got a 16c over ambient on a 150w load

cyan plaza
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so ya a computer is using a pegatron 2ad5 version 1.03 motherboard and they asked me to put in a newer GPU with 4 hdmi ports... this is a 4-5 year old motherboard with a I7-3770 cpu it's not even on pc parts picker as well it was prebuilt from bestbuy. if anyone can find even if it' possible it's probably better just for a new build 🤐

kind osprey
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Okay is amd gpu driver still issue with a fan?

sharp perch
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can anyone make me a 2000 dollar setup that can game on 1440p over 144 fps

steep plover
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Sure

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Do colors matter?

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And what about rgb? @sharp perch

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Full setup (monitor, keyboard, and mouse)or just pc?

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Ping me whenever.

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Also what form factor?

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Just gaming or are you doing streaming or work?

foggy hazel
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@sharp perch you have already asked for a build a couple of times. What changed?

sudden turret
steep plover
sharp perch
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@foggy hazel its a little expensive because I need to get peripherals as well

foggy hazel
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then post the previous build links @sharp perch and ask for a scaled down to X budget version

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the previous builds will answer a bunch of the questions that @steep plover asked

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and that any other list creator should ask

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@steep plover side note: you are aware that the build you posted is using a 2.5" ssd when a faster m.2 drive is cheaper?

steep plover
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I was not.

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Thank you

foggy hazel
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np

sharp perch
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Naed how do you know this and have the role

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cant you get it somehow

foggy hazel
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it is called having a memory.

sharp perch
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:)))

foggy hazel
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sorry, not trying to correct everything about the build @steep plover, 3200 ram is considered the sweet spot for 2xxx series (3600 is sweet spot for the 3xxx series)

steep plover
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I take no offense and always try to be open to helpful respectful input.

sharp perch
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well you know what the problem is with me I just am changing the price because idk if its gonna be to mutch for just the same or higher price

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because idk if I can pay everything

steep plover
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2070 or 5700 XT?

foggy hazel
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also, there is the ages old debate about "is CLC+CPU worth it over a higher sku CPU with stock cooler?"

sharp perch
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Im just looking for a setuo thats why I am watching a lot of setups

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builds

foggy hazel
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@sharp perch my advice to you would be: come back when you are 1-2 weeks away from purchasing

sharp perch
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and I heared that the gpu prices are going down

foggy hazel
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let everyone else worry about the prices.

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come back when you are close and know what you can actually spend on a machine

steep plover
foggy hazel
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that is a sata ssd in m.2 format

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have a look at something like the sabrent rocket

steep plover
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Ok

foggy hazel
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a little cheaper then the samsung you had earlier, but way faster :)

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and before you select it, not the Rocket Q

steep plover
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4.0?

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That one just has rocket.

foggy hazel
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aye, that is the right one :)

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there are a number of them :)

steep plover
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I saw lol.

foggy hazel
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as in, the one on your list is the right one

steep plover
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Good

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I put all the peripherals as Logitech ones.

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Expect the monitor.

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Idk why

foggy hazel
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observation: currently, you are using 165+140 for cpu+clc = 305 total

steep plover
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Is that bad?

foggy hazel
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it is a choice.

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but consider this

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see the price

steep plover
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And it could run on stock

foggy hazel
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easily

steep plover
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Ok hold on

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I could also upgrade ram to 3600

foggy hazel
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aye, there is a V kit for about 85-ish iirc

steep plover
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That has 32 Gb

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I could do 16 if he was just gaming or something

foggy hazel
steep plover
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Which would bring the price down to about 1850

foggy hazel
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power is plenty

steep plover
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Still 32 GB of ram

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At 3600

foggy hazel
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(if we are getting into the nitty gritty of things)

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(and yes, the V kit stuff is quite like the sabrent stuff, identical names etc etc)

steep plover
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Got it

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The price tells you

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Not the name

foggy hazel
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aye

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silly pants PR department imo

steep plover
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They should just add another letter or something

foggy hazel
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now, the astute lurker would notice that the budget is not all used. That is because the customer has not voiced any real preference in regards to peripherals, so some free cash there is practical.

steep plover
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And tax in some cases.

foggy hazel
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IF the customer ends up being okay with the list as it is, a instant upgrade on the cpu to the 3800x (for 30usd more is a given)

steep plover
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Yes

foggy hazel
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also, IF they decide, "i want rainbows everywhere!", there is some budget free for doing that [edit "" !]

steep plover
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Speaking of unicorn barf, I’m making a build all about it and it’s $200 more expensive than just the normal build.

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So 😐

sudden turret
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lol

foggy hazel
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that sounds like weak rainbows IF it is only 200 more [edit: what -> that]

steep plover
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Which it’s my LAN build so I’m kinda building it to be showy

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I got 120LLs on eBay brand new cheaper than amazon.

foggy hazel
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when i went lan hopping, i loved my shoebox build for it.

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so easy to lug around

steep plover
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I made the mistake of doing a Q300L which is kinda big.

foggy hazel
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shoebox = fractal design node 304

steep plover
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I should’ve done a cube.

foggy hazel
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:)

steep plover
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Once I upgrade my GPU on my main build I’m moving the old one to my lan build.

wide sparrow
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@last rover ah yeah. A white build. Specs?

wild pulsar
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Anyone ever deal with powerspec?

mint tendon
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what's y'all's opinion on 2060 super?

steep plover
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If it’s price is competitive go for it.

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It’s a good card but not as budget friendly as the 5700 and 5700 XT

crimson vector
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so liek

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my friend got his tax returns

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and what do you guys think of what a threw together for him

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....oh

foggy hazel
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dont quit your day job?

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the idea at the core of it is good

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the parts are a bit ... fun?

sacred obsidian
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you're over paying on the SSDs, ram, peripherals, windows, and probably the capture card.

crimson vector
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he wanted a streaming system and gave me a big budget

foggy hazel
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the core of it, as i mentioned, is good

sacred obsidian
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its not a bad system by any means, just over priced imo lol

foggy hazel
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some of it is just overpriced :)

crimson vector
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when you can afford it you have to give it some theme, i know you can get plainer parts and all, i suppose i could just go western digital

foggy hazel
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no no

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you misunderstand

crimson vector
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i don't western digital is cheaper ssds

foggy hazel
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why pay more for slower parts?

crimson vector
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i just like samsungs software

foggy hazel
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you wont be interacting with samsungs software at all

sacred obsidian
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._. samsung doesnt have software for drives

crimson vector
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their wizard

foggy hazel
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@sacred obsidian wrong.

crimson vector
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i installed it on my older sisters pc

sacred obsidian
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wat

crimson vector
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yea

sacred obsidian
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y tho

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its a hard drive

foggy hazel
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Samsung Wizard is their monitor and firmware flasher

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its a SSD

crimson vector
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drive optimization for someone who has no clue what that means

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i just gave it a timer

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then poof

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done

sacred obsidian
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i still call SSDs hard drives lol

foggy hazel
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@crimson vector the features of Wizard are not needed thou.

sacred obsidian
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just better ones

crimson vector
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i'm gonna get indirectly bitched at though i told him i would refrain from changing it any more

sacred obsidian
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although if you want that case, if you got microcenter near you, you might be able to get it for 60-70 bucks still

crimson vector
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we got one in cbus

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i'm not buying it and he has no time

foggy hazel
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you want the quick and dirty on what is wrong with the list?

crimson vector
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this is all still in theory crap

sacred obsidian
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cbus?

crimson vector
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you're gonna say too much rgb

sacred obsidian
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no

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rgb=gud

foggy hazel
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(i dont give a rat about the visual, that is your choice)

rustic blade
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rgb=bad

sacred obsidian
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rgb=200 more horsepoewr

crimson vector
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then the next thing is the price of that 2080 compared to other 2080s

foggy hazel
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no

crimson vector
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then wut

sacred obsidian
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the 2080 is fine lol

rustic blade
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solid colors/fade/any other lighting effect = good

foggy hazel
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Bad PSU

crimson vector
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i changed it as i was editing the statement

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lolol

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it's gold now

sacred obsidian
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what psu tho

crimson vector
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it was a thermal take bronze

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i just noticed that it was

foggy hazel
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paying that much for a CLC when a higher SKU cpu is worth more to him

crimson vector
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i found a cheaper corsair gold

foggy hazel
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it has nothing to do with the "bronze" part of it

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please discard all things you think you have heard are "good"

sacred obsidian
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some corsair psu's are good, some are bad.

foggy hazel
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becuse so far, the only thing i am seeing is questionable choices

crimson vector
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please don't basically tell me i'm a moron

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and just explain why

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i have bpd, it's not fun

sacred obsidian
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hes not trying to be mean i promise. naeds one of the better techies on here lol

foggy hazel
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what is the budget?

crimson vector
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2100 for everything in the case

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everything else is outside of that

foggy hazel
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give me 4-5 minutes

crimson vector
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try to stay msi, please and thanks

foggy hazel
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should not be a problem

sacred obsidian
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are you in the US btw?

foggy hazel
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question: is wifi needed?

crimson vector
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i have no clue

foggy hazel
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(this is a note for future reference: old build scraped to the box: $2067.07)

sacred obsidian
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id say just add it. at 2100 he should be able to afford it lol

crimson vector
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it was

sacred obsidian
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with little compromise i think

crimson vector
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oh, the capture card and 1 foot hdmi cable stay too

sacred obsidian
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but your build was really good, some things are just a bit high priced when they dont need to be. like samsung SSDs are really good SSDs, but you can get the same performance out of cheaper SSDs and idk why they keep the prices up. especially when not terribly long ago they were the one who flooded the market to make SSDs cheaper in the first place.

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at least im pretty sure it was samsung 🤔

crimson vector
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probably WD

sacred obsidian
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nah it wasnt WD.

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theyre newish to the ssd market i believe.

foggy hazel
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no, they are one of the older ones

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intel being the oldest

sacred obsidian
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I love WD personally but apparently their SSDs are considered bad i guess.

foggy hazel
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wd make some decent ones

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Reason: Bad word usage

sacred obsidian
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iunno people keep saying their new nvme drives are horrible specs.

crimson vector
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...frigg

sacred obsidian
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yeh it happens lol

crimson vector
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i got a wd black for my crappy? build

sacred obsidian
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i doubt its crappy

crimson vector
#

i paid for it with college money and pain in the now

sacred obsidian
#

like i said, I love WD. I use their drives when possible.

sullen spoke
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wd black is fast

foggy hazel
#

sn750 is decent iirc

sullen spoke
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and expensive

crimson vector
#

there's mine no changes are happening

sacred obsidian
#

iunno all the WD drives ive seen have been priced competitively

crimson vector
#

oh frigg

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i've yet to add the WD

sullen spoke
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Woah $0 that's a good deal

foggy hazel
#

@crimson vector i am working on my own copy, you wont see changes until i share a link

sacred obsidian
#

your build is pretty good

crimson vector
#

this is mine personal, naed

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i added it

sacred obsidian
#

only thing im unsure about is the PSU

sullen spoke
sacred obsidian
#

but i also use thermaltake

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mine is tier D tho lol.

crimson vector
#

thermal take is good for mos tthings

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i like their cases

sacred obsidian
#

theyre a good company

foggy hazel
sacred obsidian
#

but some of their psus are just horribly bad. but same with EVGA and corsair. not all of their psu are bad but some are at risk of things like, coil whine, or exploding, or meltdown

foggy hazel
#

that is scraped to what i listed earlier

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1 tier up on the GPU

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4 more cores on the cpu

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2 sticks of ram instead of 4, same capacity

sacred obsidian
#

also you can get windows 10 for like 10 bucks or less on ebay or other sites.

foggy hazel
#

same or faster ssd's

crimson vector
#

i mean i got the hard drives out of my acer predator g3

foggy hazel
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a proper PSU

crimson vector
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it had a fanless psu

foggy hazel
#

those are the changes i have made

crimson vector
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i see

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i'll just tell him i threw around some numbers and got him an OP processor

foggy hazel
#

here is the obvious trade-offs i have made

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There is no CLC (water cooling)

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it is using the stock cooler, this is fine. it will perform just as well for all he will notice

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but that CLC used a LOT of budget for no real gain

sacred obsidian
#

water cooling is good if you wanna OC but thats not neccesary, you'll get great performance without OC.

crimson vector
#

why CLC and not AIO

foggy hazel
#

CLC = AIO = water cooling

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overrated for this type of CPU

crimson vector
#

what about front fans

foggy hazel
#

as i said, i stripped it all back to work on the list, easier for me

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let me re-add those things, hang on

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here is the list you brought originally, with the parts i found

crimson vector
#

neat, thank you very much

foggy hazel
#

you are very welcome :)

#

now you mentioned fans

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how tied are you to that specific case?

crimson vector
#

i was hoping to keep it red and black without going overly ugly

foggy hazel
#

(if you want to keep it, that is fine by me)

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it is YOUR build

crimson vector
#

the red and black is specifically for him

foggy hazel
#

yes, but you are here now, so it is YOUR build :)

#

you make the choices about stuff like that

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i have no idea what you (him) want :)

crimson vector
#

de case stays

foggy hazel
#

fair

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then a single front fan would not be a bad idea to add to the build

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single or double

crimson vector
#

single

foggy hazel
#

there

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that is the same fan as what is included with the case

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so it will end up with, 1 front, 1 rear, 1 top (back)

crimson vector
#

yep

foggy hazel
#

now

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i know you said to "stick to msi" (if possible)

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i am just asking (because i am curious)

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but why msi?

crimson vector
#

personal preference along with the fact i already know the way around their stuff

foggy hazel
#

fair :)

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it is fairly rare to get people here that have a marked preference, hence my curiosity

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btw, main reason for the ram change is 2-fold

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price (2 * 16 is cheaper vs 4 * 8)

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and IF he wants to upgrade down the line, to more ram, he just buys 2 * 16 again, and he wont end up with 4* 8 sticks that he isnt using

crimson vector
#

oki

foggy hazel
#

and yes, i know the MX drive doesnt look fancy

sullen spoke
#

but sometimes there is a price to pay

foggy hazel
#

but that and the other changes are all for the better and it helps fund the upgrades to CPU/GPU

sullen spoke
#

and that price... is looks

foggy hazel
#

and those two will be appreciated down the line

crimson vector
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most likely

foggy hazel
#

i personally have NO idea about that capture card, so i cannot comment on that

crimson vector
#

i really want to spite him because my friend asked me for advice after he already bought this huge clunky case with all of its available fan space filled with molex conector fans

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its the one other people use

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i sent him a tutorial on how to make it work with 1440p

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i WISH i had access to that shrug ascii thing

foggy hazel
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use prefer this

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shrugs

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it really spells it out for people

crimson vector
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but still

foggy hazel
#

yes

crimson vector
#

i want to spite the other one because he also wants to stream

foggy hazel
#

have fun with that

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for this build, you might want to swing by eposvox on youtube (in regards to the capture card), fairly certain he has a review etc of that one.

crimson vector
#

yep

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i pulled the video from bitwit i think

foggy hazel
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he knows what he is talking about, and he is not 100% technobable or pr speak

crimson vector
#

that exact video

foggy hazel
#

kk

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last note: you might want to see if you can get the person who will be using this, to get his hands on that mouse before he buys it

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it might not fit his hand

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just saying

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but that is for you to figure out with him :)

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anything else you need help with? or any questions @crimson vector

crimson vector
#

he got big hand :T

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nah not really, thank you though

foggy hazel
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you are very welcome

crimson vector
#

i'll tell him what he says if it's anything substantial

foggy hazel
#

:)

crimson vector
#

i had to carry him through CNT

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so

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shrugs

foggy hazel
#

i have no idea what that means :)

crimson vector
#

computer networking technologies

foggy hazel
#

ah

crimson vector
#

i know how to tell a router what to do

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if it's cisco

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and even then it's been 2 years

foggy hazel
#

sounds like the prep course for certification

crimson vector
#

yea but it was in high school

foggy hazel
#

ah

crimson vector
#

we also did basic computer stuff

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thusly my basic computer knowledge

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BUT

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my entire year joined just for the computer stuff

foggy hazel
#

so a renamed general IT (soft and hardware) kinda thing

crimson vector
#

nah our schools it program split

foggy hazel
#

fancy :)

crimson vector
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3/4ths of the 2 years we spent were focused ENTIRELY on networking

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we were basically the Digital Media rejects, though

foggy hazel
#

i am old enough that all we got offered was "learn to type on this abomination of a 286"

crimson vector
#

i mean

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in elementary all we did was ATRT

foggy hazel
#

again, no idea what that means

crimson vector
#

all the right type

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some

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stupid

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sci fi typing course

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that we did over and over

foggy hazel
#

:)

crimson vector
#

and over

foggy hazel
#

welcome to the rest of your life :)

crimson vector
#

i type anywhere from 200 to 300 words per minute now

foggy hazel
#

and with that, i am out, it is late as heck here

crimson vector
#

at the cost of random typos steaming entirely from muscle memory of how certain sequences would go

foggy hazel
#

(other side of the world and all)

crimson vector
#

ah

inland atlas
#

I checked everywhere. my hardrive ect. but i keep here this subtle heartbeat like vibrition

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vibration**

mint tendon
#

what yall think?

crimson vector
#

you're aware of what it takes to run a gen 3 ryzen on a gen 2 board?

mint tendon
#

bios update

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right?

foggy hazel
#

@crimson vector you are aware that "that" board has had support for it since 2019-07-11 right?

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meaning, unless you can find a retailer with stock that old, it wont be a problem

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@mint tendon the 970 is a bit expensive for what it is, grab a sabrent rocket instead

crimson vector
#

no

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i was not

foggy hazel
#

and that board was one of the ones that got a late bios update for it, most got it in may

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personally i would not choose the tomahawk, but that is up to you.

mint tendon
#

why is that?

foggy hazel
#

you pay for something you wont use

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simple as that.

mint tendon
#

what wont i use?

foggy hazel
#

the only real use the tomahawk has is IF you plan on OC the pants of the cpu

mint tendon
#

oh

foggy hazel
#

and if you want to even try that, you would need to pay for a cooler, which you havnt selected

mint tendon
#

also that board doesnt have 2 m.2 slots

foggy hazel
#

and imo, it is not worth it on neither 2000 or 3000 series

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ah, i grabbed the wrong mx500 then :)

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identical prices tricked me on the mx variants

mint tendon
#

oh ok

foggy hazel
#

is your headphones minijack or usb?

mint tendon
#

why bronze psu?

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wym?

foggy hazel
#

your headphones, what connectors do they have?

mint tendon
#

i have arctis 9x that i use on my xbox so i was gonna get the usb plug for wireless conetivity for controllers

foggy hazel
#

okay, so onboard soundchip wont matter.

mint tendon
#

yeah plus i have speakers plugged into my monitor

foggy hazel
#

do you have any use for Wifi?

mint tendon
#

i wanna gett wifi but i might just do a usb dongle cause at school imma use ethernet

foggy hazel
#

updated with a different mainboard, and a different PSU because mainboard change gave more room in budget

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also, the whole "bronze/gold etc etc" doesnt mean anything really

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also, that mainboard has wifi

mint tendon
#

oh ok cool

foggy hazel
#

and it is all a bit cheaper than what you arrived with :)

mint tendon
#

yes true

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any way i could save money to stay around 1200 but change to 2070 super?

foggy hazel
#

an easy fix is to kill of the 2.5 and scale the m.2

mint tendon
#

hmm

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idk i want the sapce though lol for games

foggy hazel
#

you will only be missing 500 gigs

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you can always add in another drive down the line

mint tendon
#

oh yeah true

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i mean i prob wont have many games yet anyway

foggy hazel
#

and adding in a 2.5 drive is about 4-5 minutes of work

mint tendon
#

true

foggy hazel
#

you could go and look for a m-atx case if you wanted

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since that board is a m-atx board

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would potentially take up a bit less space for you

#

but that is for you to figure out :)

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best of luck with the build @mint tendon

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if you dont plan on buying in the next 2-3 weeks, swing by again and drop the link

mint tendon
#

thanks i like that case is the thing haha

foggy hazel
#

and i will have a look and see if things are still as they should be (pricewise)

mint tendon
#

alright yeah might not be for awhile lol im big broke cause of sollege

foggy hazel
#

save the link, it will tell any future person you ask a fair deal about what the system is for etc

mint tendon
#

alright will do

cyan plaza
#

so anyone want to help me with this build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zPLBGc
it's a none gaming build but i need 6 ports currently there all 5 hdmi which i might have to convert to mini hdmi, no sound through is needed, it's going to be mainly for showing videos and using audacity for playing and recording sound

Unavailable
#

problem comes with gpu, case, and cooler which i'm not sure what i need

upper condor
#

@cyan plaza uhhh

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That gpu is old

#

Much more balanced

cyan plaza
#

@upper condor but i have a 6 port hdmi hook up for i'm using it for 2 projectors, 1 tv, and 2 monitors XD

upper condor
#

But that card is horrible

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2gb memory

cyan plaza
#

is there something that can be close to it, i'm not playing games on it

upper condor
#

There are multiple cards at 250-300

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So look at them and look for the ports you need

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The main ones are: 2060, 5600 XT, 1660TI, 1660 Super

#

I might have missed some

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Doesnt matter how important having all those connectwd are, that card sucks poop

cyan plaza
#

ill have to find something else 1 hdmi doesn't cut it because it's doing exactly what the $400 bestbuy computer is currently doing but using a splitter to split 4 screens

worn idol
#

He only needs video output, the power isn't important

cyan plaza
#

the only thing i pretty much use on heavy side is audio audacity 😅

worn idol
#

That card will work fine as long as you get a bunch of mini displayport to hdmi adapter cables, I haven't seen a card with that many video outputs before

cyan plaza
#

there not cheap at all...

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around 1-2K

worn idol
#

As long as your not doing any video rendering or gaming 2gb will be a lot

cyan plaza
#

it's basically for a friend's church, instead of going to bestbuy to buy a prebuilt for something that over priced but it's the display which i'm used to gaming pc not something with a simple task used only on a sunday 😂

worn idol
#

If it's just for a church just buy the cheapest one you can find

#

Do any of the monitors use any other video connectors?

cyan plaza
#

😅 there all hdmi but the 2 screen projectors instead of them going fiber they used hdmi > Ethernet > projector

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but all of them are hdmi

worn idol
#

So one of those cards with multiple mini displayports would probably be best

fair wing
little osprey
#

Whats the point of cpu boost if it runs worse

supple schooner
sudden turret
#

that mobo will need bios updated to use that cpu you chose.

vivid atlas
#

Other than that, the PSU isn’t great and the cooling on a FE card neither (maybe you already know this)

#

I would change the PSU to something like a Phanteks AMP or Corsair RM(x)

sudden turret
supple schooner
#

And how easy is a bios update without a copy in it?

sudden turret
#

youll need a gen 1 or 2 .. unless the mobo can do it without cpu, which I don't think it can.

foggy hazel
#

@sudden turret that board has had bios support since 2019/06/04

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so, unless @supple schooner finds a retailer with stock from before then, it will not be a problem

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if he wants to make 100% certain, then he can contact the seller and ask them what bios is in the board he is buying.

#

It is in their interest to know this and their interest to convey this to a customer that asks

#

@cyan plaza did you end up finding a solution?

supple schooner
#

Thank you for letting me know about this info!

cyan plaza
#

ya or close to, i can probably cut some of the psu power as well down going for lets say 600-650 psu instead of 750 @foggy hazel

cyan plaza
latent bronze
#

7750?

cyan plaza
#

ya 6 mini display ports

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either that or go and buy 2 gpu with 3 hdmi ports each

#

😅 i think this is why everyone is getting confused because where all about gaming making a none gaming computer

foggy hazel
#

@cyan plaza your goal is duplicated output right?

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as in, 1 source to 6 identical outputs right?

cyan plaza
#

no ill need them all different at lest 3-4 will be identical and 2 will be different

foggy hazel
#

hm

#

in theory that card will work just fine for it

cyan plaza
#

there is no rendering being done

foggy hazel
#

there kinda is, but that is technically not something you need to worry about :)

#

question: why the Audigy card?

cyan plaza
#

because the more expansive ones can go to $1,000-$5,000😅

foggy hazel
#

what is it that you think you will be getting on that Audigy that the onboard doesnt deliver?

cyan plaza
#

we use audio audacity which unless there is a better way the sound travels comes from a soundboard to the pc record voice, as well can travel as well back to the soundboard

foggy hazel
#

sorry to ask, but could you unscramble that statement?

#

you (royal you) use Audacity

cyan plaza
foggy hazel
#

none of what that mixer needs is exlusive to the audigy

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is my point :)

cyan plaza
#

o ok

foggy hazel
#

you are just bouncing a signal back and forth so you can record things

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is how it sounds

cyan plaza
#

ya wasn't sure how the motherboard if it just handles fine

foggy hazel
#

maybe by chance you selected one with a good soundchip on it :)

cyan plaza
#

because currently for the current computer it's just using the mic input but it's a "beats" computer...

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well thats good enough then 😄

foggy hazel
#

are you open for a bit of a revised build?

cyan plaza
#

sure

foggy hazel
#

because you have a couple of things you dont need on it

#

yeah, the audiochip will definitely be an improvement :)

sacred obsidian
#

wait naed are you good at sound stuff too?

foggy hazel
#

-ish

cyan plaza
#

kinda it would be nicer for somewhat improved sound

sacred obsidian
#

o: ima hit you up at a later date to revise my podcast setup

#

weve been having issues xD

foggy hazel
#

wrong copy/paste :)

cyan plaza
#

o lol

foggy hazel
#

that does everything the old one did

#

for a bunch less

#

and yes, i changed the case and the storage

#

case: i can vouch for the define Mini C being a sturdy lump of metal

#

and it is a bit smaller

cyan plaza
#

hmm ill have to buy a wifi card then

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or usb stick

foggy hazel
#

ah, you need wifi? 2sec then

cyan plaza
#

yap

#

ethernet 1,000% out of the question 😂

foggy hazel
#

storage: it makes sense to have a fast drive for booting, because in case something goes wrong, you want to be up and running asap

sacred obsidian
#

out of curiousity, why do they need 6 outputs?

cyan plaza
sacred obsidian
#

i cant find that info lol

foggy hazel
#

"video wall"-ish use case

sacred obsidian
#

oh

cyan plaza
#

pulse i use spotify this program and audacity, so having a separate screen would be nice for that

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it's a pain in the butt using audacity, pro, and Spotify on 1 screen because i have to flip through them in a super short time

foggy hazel
#

aye

sacred obsidian
#

i feel that

cyan plaza
sacred obsidian
#

i use at least 2 programs at a time which is why i went ultrawide 😛

cyan plaza
foggy hazel
#

if that is what your customer wants, then that is how it is

sacred obsidian
#

i wasnt trying to say its a bad idea or anything i just couldnt find the reason why above lol. i was curious. it makes sense to have that many for something like that.

foggy hazel
#

it was not a critique @sacred obsidian :)

cyan plaza
#

so ill confess it's actually the church i go and i run the computer as well as the sound system, i'm the customer NYEHE

because of the backlash if i brought this up i was trying to avoid most talk

foggy hazel
#

i will post a link when our bot starts behaving as it should @cyan plaza

sudden turret
#

please hold, your time here is important to us.

cyan plaza
#

ok thanks

sudden turret
#

Thank you for your understanding.

#

beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

sacred obsidian
#

i figured it was the church you attended lol. noone should give you any slack for that

cyan plaza
#

elevator music starts playing

sudden turret
#

try a link now.

foggy hazel
sudden turret
#

ayeeeeeeeee 🙂

foggy hazel
#

that is for you @cyan plaza

sudden turret
#

mee6 is in time out

lyric thistle
#

Cisco Opus 1

cyan plaza
#

thanks but should i stick with VisionTek Radeon HD 7750 or go with 2 gpu with 3 hdmi each like Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4?

foggy hazel
#

in theory, the 7750 is the simpler way of doing it

#

in theory

#

and for stuff like this, keeping it simple is strongly suggested

cyan plaza
#

ya because ill have to convert everything from hdmi to display port, gpu would cut that off

#

straight hdmi to hdmi

foggy hazel
#

it is you that have to figure out how to get it to work for YOU

#

so it is entirely up to you what you want to try and deal with

cyan plaza
#

😅 i feel like i'm in the unknow territory exploring

foggy hazel
#

(not saying that to be negative, but what i might select is not guaranteed to be what you will like to use)

cyan plaza
#

well ya i'm trying to choose what can do the jobs either 6 mini display port or 2 gpu with 3 hdmi

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3 hdmi + 3 DP

foggy hazel
#

it has the same pro/cons as the 7750

#

aside from costing a fair deal more potentially

cyan plaza
#

ill have to see the price difference because of the mini dp to hdmi ill have to buy

foggy hazel
#

aye

#

remember to take proper stock of the hardware that you have currently

#

and do yourself a big favour, dont promise it will work by any fixed deadline

cyan plaza
#

well can confirm none of that, everything is hdmi

foggy hazel
#

aye aye :)

cyan plaza
#

soo did some pricing it's just around $105.00 more, i might just go with that, it would be easier

foggy hazel
#

i am just going to put this forth, so you know my opinion.

#

there is a reason a lot of the special hardware for this stuff costs a LOT of money.

cyan plaza
#

😂 yes it does

foggy hazel
#

you might not run into a corner case (for your sake i hope you dont), but if you do... best of luck

#

you are going to need it

cyan plaza
#

it would be nice to ask around but this stuff seems kinda, there are no computer builds and such, i did check the reviews though, ill have to talk to the others about pricing because yes it's not cheap, maybe in like 30 years it might

foggy hazel
#

there are 2 ways to solve your current challenge

#

one costs a lot of money, takes about 45 minutes to setup

#

the other is what you are doing

foggy hazel
#

that does not mean that the way you are doing it, will not work

#

it might just take a LOT of time to setup as you want

cyan plaza
#

thank you you everyone for helping 🙂

foggy hazel
#

you are very welcome, and best of luck :)

swift fern
#

For $1500 can I do better?

foggy hazel
#

where is the PSU?

swift fern
#

forgot to add it but i have on

#

one

foggy hazel
#

please add and post again

cyan plaza
#

The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. When the M.2 slot is populated with a PCIe-based M.2 drive, two SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports are disabled. do i have to worry about that 🤨

foggy hazel
#

nope, no worry for you

#

just plug your sata based drives in, starting from port 1

#

it is the last ports that will be disabled

cyan plaza
#

ok thanks

swift fern
#

Nvm I need a PSU. Not compatible

foggy hazel
#

ok @swift fern how much of the parts that are purchased are actually not up for negotiation?

#

or are they old "moved from old machine" parts?

swift fern
#

yeah 😦

foggy hazel
#

fair

#

lets take it from the top

#

mainboard is overpriced

#

ram is overpriced

sick bane
#

Looking for recommendations on a new gaming laptop? Currently have MSI and looking for replacement under $1000. Capable of running titles like GTA V

foggy hazel
#

with that you can save on those two parts, you can get a 2080super instead @swift fern

#

@swift fern do you actually need/want the WIFI on that mainboard?

swift fern
#

no but I want bluetooth 4.0

foggy hazel
#

for?

swift fern
#

Xbox One Controllers

foggy hazel
#

dont they have a dongle like the previous gen did?

#

(not a console gamer, so i honestly dont know)

swift fern
#

they do but it's bluetooth as well

foggy hazel
#

hm

#

there you go

#

cheaper and faster

#

with a psu that is

#

IF you are willing to spend a bit above 1500, then a m.2 drive would be recommended

orchid ruin
#

hiya, im looking for a good pc build for about 1000 bucks

#

anyone got one for me?

foggy hazel
#

use case?

orchid ruin
#

I need a case yes

foggy hazel
#

what are you going to be using the machine for.

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is what "use case?" means

upper condor
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@foggy hazel kodelic told me the problem, ill simpligy it. His pc was working fine but then it didnt boot, he changed everything except the hard drives and it still doesnt boot

foggy hazel
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you working on it @upper condor ?

upper condor
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Yes

foggy hazel
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shout if you need to

upper condor
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He keeps saying he'll change the psu again

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But the hard drive is the only thing thats the same

foggy hazel
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strip to essentials and go from there.

upper condor
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A weird thing is it was working fine, and then he plugged in a fan he forgot to and then it didnt boot

foggy hazel
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has he unplugged that specific fan?

upper condor
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Yeah he tried to boot out of the case and it still didnt work

orchid ruin
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@foggy hazel ah okay, gaming and light editing

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heavy gaming and some very cpu intensive games

foggy hazel
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@upper condor keep plonking away at it :)

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@orchid ruin what kind of editing?

orchid ruin
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light video editing from time to time

foggy hazel
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so, i am guessing, you plan to stream too?

orchid ruin
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no

foggy hazel
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hm

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okay

orchid ruin
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im not planning to stream

foggy hazel
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you need wifi?

orchid ruin
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ummmm

foggy hazel
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need/want really

orchid ruin
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no i dont

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I have access to ethernet

foggy hazel
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fair enough, i ask because it is easy enough to budget for a mainboard with wifi at this stage of the build :)

orchid ruin
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yeah, I know. I just wanna upgrade from my current build lol

foggy hazel
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fair :)

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any parts you will be moving over?

orchid ruin
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I have a pcie usb extention and 16 gb of ram

foggy hazel
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what kind of ram?

orchid ruin
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im not sure if its good for gaming tho

foggy hazel
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its "good enough"

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it helps the budget a bunch

orchid ruin
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im willing to get a better ram

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rgb will be great lol

foggy hazel
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lets see where we end up

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you got any preference for the case size?

orchid ruin
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nope

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oh, and I will be playing vr on that machine as well

foggy hazel
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you are starting to ask a fair deal of it.

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just saying :)

orchid ruin
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yeah lol, I mean, put in whatever it needs, I can always save up more

foggy hazel
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but, it is appreciated that you mention it now :)

orchid ruin
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it can be a couple hundred dollars off

foggy hazel
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you located in the US or?

orchid ruin
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isreal

foggy hazel
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hm, no idea about your local market, so all i can give you is a list that can work as "things as close to this as you can get"

orchid ruin
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ight

foggy hazel
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2 reasons for asking about location: Currency and region availability

orchid ruin
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yeah, region availability is pretty bad here lol

foggy hazel
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:)

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your audio gear (headset etc) is that mini jack or usb?

orchid ruin
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can be both

foggy hazel
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okay, so there is some value in going for a decent soundchip on the board

orchid ruin
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im currently running it through me blackwidow v2 keyboard

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ight

foggy hazel
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give me about 5-10 minutes

orchid ruin
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thank you

foggy hazel
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np :)

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you got reasonable access to amazon?

orchid ruin
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yep

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I buy most of my stuff from there

foggy hazel
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good, that solves the m.2 ssd then

orchid ruin
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a big ssd would be nice

foggy hazel
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i will be back in a bit

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@orchid ruin

orchid ruin
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👌

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hotdamn thats a good pc for the price

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wow

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thank you very much

foggy hazel
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and back

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the challenge is going to be how to get those parts

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the reasoning behind the parts is this (starting from the top)

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CPU: it does not make much sense, at your budget, to buy anything but the 3rd gen

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Mainboard: cheapest board that has a good soundchip on it (realtek 1200 variant in this case)

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Ram: as mentioned, it is "good enough" (but it is the first or second thing i would upgrade)

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SSD: the sabrent just makes sense as a fast OS and games-that-like-fast-storage drive

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HDD: that mech drive is just a fair deal for the price, it can be cut if you dont need/want it.

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GPU: A good performer, (but we might want to have a chat about it, because availability), also that is the only real nod towards lights at all in this build

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Case: solid case, nice to build in. sized to fit the mainboard, because why go with a bigger case. Also, has a glass side, because of the RGB on the GPU.

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PSU: Just a very solid unit. (availability might be a pain thou)

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@orchid ruin that is the sum of it really :)

orchid ruin
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thanks!

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I have been looking to try the 2070 super, should be a great card, much better then my rx 580 lol

foggy hazel
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that it would :)

orchid ruin
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Will 95% buy this build

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looks great

foggy hazel
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but save the above list, and if you have trouble with finding specific parts, come back and have a chat :)

orchid ruin
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I did save it

foggy hazel
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remember this.

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The psu is the heart of your machine

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it can be VERY tempting to save on it. for your own sake, dont.

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but be aware that there are a bunch of very overpriced models on the market :)

orchid ruin
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I did save on it on my current build

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what happens if I do? Is it unsafe or something?

foggy hazel
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what happens if your heart stops?

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other things dont take too kindly to that

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and it has a tendency to kill other things at the same time

orchid ruin
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cant I just switch it out?

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oh

foggy hazel
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yes

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oh indeed :)

orchid ruin
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lol

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thanks dude

foggy hazel
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you are very welcome :)

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anything else i can help with or?

orchid ruin
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no, if I need anything I will @ you or someone else who is online

foggy hazel
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aye, feel free to just @ me even if you end up asking someone else, it is nice following the builds we make :)

orchid ruin
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yep, I will update you if I will remember lol

foggy hazel
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and seeing as my timezone is CET, i will most likely be around

orchid ruin
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indeed, one hour behind me

blissful garden
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does anyone think a 3d printer would be a good addition to my setup?

teal bison
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if you want one, go for it

sacred obsidian
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3D printer is kinda a novelty. i love mine but i also haven't used it in a while.

trail perch
hearty oracle
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hey wondering what you all think of this build (note im making my own case)

viral ore
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dont you think building a case will be easier with a smaller motherboard

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also, what are you using 32gb of ram for

hearty oracle
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size doesnt matter tbh, im building the whole case, so i can make it any size i need

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and i will be doing some 3d modeling for a side project, and some side gaming

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figured it help with both

viral ore
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16gb is plenty for that sort of thing, so feel free to cut back on that if you want to

latent bronze
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Meh it is a decent system

hearty oracle
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i might than, im trying to keep a little cheaper haha, but when i start clicking it just keeps going up Xd

teal bison
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@hearty oracle do you plan on OCing?

hearty oracle
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probs not, at least currently, maybe in the future

teal bison
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you can remove the cooler and maybe get one later if you do want to OC, but the stock cooler is just fine

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for stock

hearty oracle
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that cooler is for the video card haha, its going to be a fun build

teal bison
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oh ok

hearty oracle
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ya im not a fan (haha) of the fans that come with most video cards, they are just so loud.

teal bison
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also you dont really need that much wattage on your psu, if you are trying to save some money

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you can save like $60 by going with a 550W

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or like $50 if you want to be a lot overkill and get a 650W

hearty oracle
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cheapest plat rated i see is 120, but im not familiar with that so i dont mind payin few extra bucks for psu,

viral ore
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tbh, the efficiency isnt too big of a deal, its the other parts of the psu that are important

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so, a $60 550w 80+ bronze will do just fine

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as long as the rest of the psu is good enough

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there are other people here who can recommend a good psu

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idrk

hearty oracle
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hmm something to think about

cursive wharf
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@hearty oracle What's your upgrade path? Apart from VRMs tomahawk is pretty bad. Unless you plan to go 3900x with modest OC then dont get the tomahawk. Get a board with more M2 slots, USB ports, better sound chip, ect

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Also, allocate the GPU "CPU" cooler money to the GPU itself. Downclock it if you want quietness, then set it to stock for better perf when needed.

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Also ya, dont go by efficiency rating

hearty oracle
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what mobo would you think of switching too?

cursive wharf
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b450 TUF Pro Gaming if you want to stay as cheap as possible
b450 Aorus Pro WiFi for slightly better, cuz WiFi. Think price is the same as Tomahawk.

little osprey
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anyone know if you can make a customized laptop the same way as you would a desktop? I may be going to air force boot camp in the next few months and I'd rather a laptop then a desktop

hearty oracle
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i know you can change things in them that you need, im not sure if there is a place that sells shells for labtops.

little osprey
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ahhh to bad

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thanks anyways

sacred obsidian
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i believe there was a case that was like a laptop thing but it was huge and bulky and i doubt its still made lol

fair wing
viral ore
craggy tapir
vivid atlas
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Good, deals ! 👏🏼