#building-and-recc-chat

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ember sierra
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Okay, 8 gigs

foggy hazel
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my recommendation would be that you try and get a new mainboard

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as in, new all the things

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because yes, technically you MIGHT be able to get things working.

ember sierra
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It’s not mine actually, it’s someone else’s. But I will tell him anyways

foggy hazel
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but you end up with parts that are useless for anything but that system

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we are entering the "middle age" of DDR4 as a standard

ember sierra
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I agree

foggy hazel
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and that board is from when ddr3 was new

ember sierra
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The entire system would have to be renewed.

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It’s borderline now and has no future

foggy hazel
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yes, and before he tells you that he can keep his psu. no. no he cannot.

ember sierra
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I will be sure to warn him

foggy hazel
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only things that might be worth keeping are the case, monitor, keyboard, mouse.

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the rest i would look at very seriously and very sceptically

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best of luck with it @ember sierra :)

ember sierra
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Thank you

gentle bay
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I have a question concerning the AMD freesync

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Despite my GPU being a 1660ti, would that hinder my monitor in any way? Since it doesnt support g sync, but radeon amd free sync instead

balmy canopy
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Is it free sync compatible?

stoic island
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What

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Heres the thing peeps say you can do gsync on a freesync monitor

cursive wharf
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Most freesync monitors work. But that doesnt mean all

stoic island
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But Idrk how I could test if its actually working or the settings are lying to ya

cursive wharf
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Do research on the specific monitor you have/going to get about if it's gsync compatible (note: that may not be in the specs and may have to take some random consumers/person word for it)

old charm
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what does "freesync" even do? I have G-sync and I have no idea what it even does

muted patio
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Freesync is the non-proprietary version of Gsync

gentle bay
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Here ill just post my build

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Thee bottomline was

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would it affect perfomance

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Since i cant use the AMD free sync due to my gpu

muted patio
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Why not? Any 10 series or higher nVidia can use Freesync

gentle bay
muted patio
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Since January of last year

gentle bay
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No but AMD Radeon Free sync

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i thought it wasnt compatible

muted patio
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It is compatible

gentle bay
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The gpu i have and then the monitor

muted patio
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nVidia supports it for a year now

gentle bay
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So i can use the AMD Radeon free sync

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Despite my GPU being a 1660ti?

muted patio
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yes

gentle bay
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Huh

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neat

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but how would i enable it

muted patio
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in the MOnitor menu and the nVidia control panel

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From january of 2019

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my only comment on the build would be the SSD

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A Sabrent Rocket 1 TB NVME is cheaper and faster. $119

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Samsung is 500 MB/s vs 3600 MB/s of the Rocket

tight bluff
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I thought the standard rocket was around the 2000-2200, the PCI-4 one was faster.

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Oh for some reason the listing on Amazon was suddenly bumped up from when I last read it.

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Thats fun

muted patio
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NO sir

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Ya, you got it

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The Q is the slow one

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The white label one

tight bluff
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I was looking at the normal rocket originally, didnt pay attention to the Q.

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The PCI4 one looks fun but too expensive.

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I guess Ill just buy it over the WD Blue SN550 anyway

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The blue is £20 cheaper atm, its TLC and 2400MB/s read speeds, Id assume write is proportional, I cba lookign it up atm.

muted patio
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write is probably 1800-2000

little osprey
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Normal people dont need more than 2000mb/s

tight bluff
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I am not a normal person.

little osprey
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Lol

cursive wharf
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@muted patio @gentle bay You need to do research to make sure that the monitor is gsync compatible. Not all freesync monitors will work well. Most will however

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Also is that a new build that you're getting parts for?

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If so, that is quite unbalanced and the mobo isnt that great for the price

gentle bay
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Yeah

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Oh?

still roostBOT
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Sung Hyun Yu#0879 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

gentle bay
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Too late now

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All but the case and power supply is left to arrive

cursive wharf
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Also please dont tell me you bought that GPU for $300

gentle bay
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Are you here to just criticize me condescendingly?

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Yes I did

cursive wharf
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Can you return it?

foggy hazel
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@gentle bay would you rather have a blatant lie that serves no purpose and teaches you nothing?

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just because you dont like the reality does not mean it stops being reality.

cursive wharf
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If you are still within the return period I do suggest returning it and getting an RX5700

prime spear
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aggreed

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i bought an rtx 2060 super for streaming

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but if your only looking for straight gaming performance

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5700xt all the way

gentle bay
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Alright fineb

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Ill check it out

waxen swan
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What does windows do if you yank a harddrive out of a prebuilt and try to boot off of it in a new system? I understand you'll need a new license and just starting from scratch would be better from a driver perspective, but do they let you boot all the way into windows and then crash after a trail period? Give you the annoying "please pay for this" pop up? or is it straight up "Nope"?

muted patio
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Most of the time just a reactivation is necessary if it's WIndows 10

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Windows 7/8 aren't so likely to just boot.

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For example, I changed from Intel to AMD and my Windows 10 booted up but i had to reactivate by logging into my account

waxen swan
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gotcha, is the chip where windows draws the line on "ship of Theseus" upgrades? Or the motherboard?

muted patio
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That only applies to OEM WIndows installs, such as from Dell or HP

waxen swan
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thank you for the info

loud apex
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Anyone have suggestions for a 1300-1600 budget

woven horizon
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ryzen

tight bluff
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What are your main workloads? Gaming or workstation type of stuff like video editing, cad etc? Do you stream?

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Do you care about aesthetics at the sacrifice of some performance?

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Futureproofing?

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@loud apex

muted patio
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This was a $1300 streaming build I had saved. If you don't stream, change the GPU to an AMD 5700XT

tight bluff
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That CPU feels a little overkill

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For the GPu.

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GPU*

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Would a 3600 + 2070S go with that price?

muted patio
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Not for a streamer, they'll most likely be re-encoding to upload to YouTube also

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I think you could do that combo

tight bluff
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Its still an x570 in the process though so perhaps you're right for the better processor, 2060S screams of "Thisll need upgraded far faster than any other component" and a better processor on an x570 allows someone to just buy a better GPU years down the line, stick it in and no hassle have a much better gaming rig.

muted patio
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Well, it's a place to start, not end all be all. Also, I lost my other lists when I reinstalled my OS because they were just in Notepad++ and not actually saved

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Super stupid move on my part

loud apex
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Thanks for all the help

tight bluff
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I think my main issue with that is the HDD

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Or lack there of.

muted patio
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Add another one?

tight bluff
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I guess its on the extremes

loud apex
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5400 rpm

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Dang that's low

tight bluff
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I like this build a little more, slightly worse CPU, less futureproof mobo, but storage for days and a 2070S over a 2060S and especially 5700XT

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I think the 4tb WD blue is the same price as a 2tb 7200rpm WD Black?

loud apex
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I think the CPU is good for me since I do some cpu intensive things

tight bluff
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Such as?

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I dont think the 5400 RPM drives matter as much over 7200 tbh. It doesn't make a massive difference when a 1TB m.2 SSD can store so many games you commonly play.

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You'd really need to play more than 10 60gb+ games for a 1tb m.2 drive to not be enough to get all you play on.

loud apex
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Ye an ssd is really good

tight bluff
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Therefore 5400 RPM HDDs for file storage isnt that noticable.

loud apex
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Does anyone else put their windows on an ssd

muted patio
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Everyone that has one

tight bluff
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Anyone who owns an SSD puts windows on SSD.

muted patio
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Put windows on the NVME

tight bluff
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The m.2 drive of course being 4-6x faster than a conventional 2.5" SSD

loud apex
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Depends on the m.2

sacred obsidian
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you're talking about 2060s being bad for future proofing but id imagine its going to be fine for at least another 4 or 5 years. my 970 still handles games at 1080p at at least 60 fps no problem. at least on the games i play lol

tight bluff
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"The" = The one in that build

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Which is about 6x faster

latent bronze
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Windows is supposed to go on a SSD

muted patio
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2060 is fine for 1080p

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poopy for 1440p

tight bluff
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Or above 60fps

latent bronze
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heck you could even put windows on a SSHD and it will still load faster lol

muted patio
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what?

tight bluff
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Its a mix, better at gaming for longer, or more futureproofing but need to change the GPU out a lot faster for a better build.

muted patio
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my 1060 does 100 FPS or more in AAA games

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unless I turn RT on

latent bronze
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Destiny 2 you could get over 200

loud apex
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Minecraft you could get over 400

muted patio
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lulz

tight bluff
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Lol, minecraft.

muted patio
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But srsly, you going to stream or game?

sacred obsidian
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yeah 2060 should be more than fine for most things unless you're trying to 4k 144 hz on the latest AAA

latent bronze
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Quake Arena you can get 600+ FPS

tight bluff
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I don't remember benchmarks to the best of my ability, but games my 2080S got 140ish hz in at 1080p, the 2060S got around 110 and less

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I wish I became a pro UT player.

loud apex
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I will game and make character models for my game

muted patio
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2060 is 135 FPS in Siege 6

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But anyway, that $1300 build leaves you room for other things to get to $1600

loud apex
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Can it run crisis tho

muted patio
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RGB, different case, monitor

sacred obsidian
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are you sure it wasnt bottlenecked by something

muted patio
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mouse, KB

sacred obsidian
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iunno crysis might be a bit much

latent bronze
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R6S you're supposed to get close to 150 fps

loud apex
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Ye

muted patio
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2060, not 2060S

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😉

tight bluff
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Oh yeah you bought that before the supers release, right?

latent bronze
loud apex
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If I get a 2080 I know nvidia will announce a new gpu

muted patio
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Huh

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I'll have to check again

loud apex
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What about minesweeper

latent bronze
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OVER 9000!!!

sacred obsidian
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get a 2080 so they will announce a new gpu so we see a drop in 2000 series so i can get one

loud apex
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Lol k

tight bluff
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I was so pleasantly surprised, I got a 2080S and 3950x forgetting CES was coming up the week they all arrive, and none of it was rendered obselete by CES announcements at all

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I was prepared for it to be obseleted for less the minute I bought it

woven horizon
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ehhehhhh there is a reason sshd didnt catch on

tight bluff
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Seagate are the only ones still making SSHD, and they are seagate so why buy them anyway.

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I LOVED the concept of SSHD back in the day.

sacred obsidian
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wasnt sshds slower but similarly priced as ssd?

woven horizon
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5500rpm

tight bluff
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A 1tb HDD was £40ish like 4 years ago, an SSHD was about £60, so it was not far off at all price wise. A 1tb SSD back then was still 200 or so

muted patio
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I remember the 10,000 RPM Raptors. wanted one so bad, then SSD's made them extinct

latent bronze
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Emerald you're looking at the 2.5" model lol

woven horizon
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10k rpm bruh

loud apex
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Anyone remember the 20k rpm

tight bluff
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They seemed like a solution for a problem m.2s forced the price down enough to stop existing,.

latent bronze
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and also the 2.5" model is 5400RPM

woven horizon
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i was close whoops

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54 55 100...

tight bluff
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Im curious if SSDs came down in price because of M.2 technology, or if they just advanced enough to rapidly drop in price per GB on their own.

latent bronze
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Also i still have a hybrid drive in my system and it is 7200RPM

woven horizon
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thats the 3.5 yeah?

loud apex
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Press f for everyone that bought a best buy gaming p

latent bronze
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yep

sacred obsidian
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gaming p?

tight bluff
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Press F in chat if you have syphillis.

loud apex
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C

latent bronze
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E

sacred obsidian
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S

tight bluff
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S

loud apex
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2020

woven horizon
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dont buy unless its open box and discounted by more than half

tight bluff
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I was going for sucks,

loud apex
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Lol

woven horizon
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i buy open box from them all the time

fresh summit
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what do you guys think of the build i want to do

loud apex
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I found a vega 64 for 400 on new egg

latent bronze
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Well we went for CES 😛

woven horizon
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too much

tight bluff
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Nice link

muted patio
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oof nah

tight bluff
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Except it isnt to a build.

fresh summit
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i hate my life one sec

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it takes me to a build

latent bronze
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But still booting into windows with a SSHD is about 17 seconds which is still pretty fast

woven horizon
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you have it stored in cache we dont we need the share link

fresh summit
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oh

loud apex
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If u dont close ur pc u never have to boot

tight bluff
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Yeah, we do need the share link.

loud apex
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^^

fresh summit
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how would one get you the share link

tight bluff
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That link there

latent bronze
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Well if you can afford high power bills as well you never have to close

woven horizon
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i mean a pny ssd is 17 dollars why not buy one for a boot drive

fresh summit
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lol ok

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oof

tight bluff
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If I were you Id just open the oven door and dive right in.

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Mine's electric.

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I really should get my heating fixed.

fresh summit
sacred obsidian
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youd need a gpu to run that pc

tight bluff
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That m/2 is overpriced

woven horizon
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get a larger psu

loud apex
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Remove coolet

tight bluff
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You can get a 500gb in a better brand for the same price

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Get rid of the seagate drive and replace ti with something like a WD drive, trust me

sacred obsidian
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woops i was looking at something completely different lol

woven horizon
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crucial p1 is 99.99

fresh summit
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lol i was gonna say i have a gpu

woven horizon
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1tb

latent bronze
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Nothing is wrong with Seagate though

fresh summit
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are the speeds good emerald

woven horizon
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wb blue 1 tb is 49.99 also

fresh summit
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im not gonna use the m.2 for storage its for booting

tight bluff
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I dont know if thats a good cooler for the 5700 XT, but the Powercolor Red Devil is actually cheaper and known as one of the best solutions for it you can get.

fresh summit
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ok

woven horizon
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get a small cheap ssd then pny has a 120 gb ssd for 17.99\

fresh summit
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yah i could

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this is why i posted my build for more opinions

tight bluff
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Sabrent Rocket has a faster 250gb m.2 drive for a decent amount less.

fresh summit
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ok

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ill check it out

tight bluff
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If you want the 4-6x faster speeds over a conventional SSD

woven horizon
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5700xt is a hit or miss still for people

loud apex
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I made a pc using papdr

tight bluff
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To be fair 250gb is still enough for OS + a few select games you play a lot.

latent bronze
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Seagate's Momentus XT was their first Hybrid drive and i used it on my system for a good 5 years and i never had issues

fresh summit
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yah

tight bluff
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I know nothing about that case, but I dont remember that PSU placing anywhere decent on the PSU tier list

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You'd have to look into that

fresh summit
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ok i will probably change the psu cause corair psu are not the best i have had many friends go up in smoke and they have each build a good amout of pcs

tight bluff
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Corsair have some good ones you just need to know which ones are good

fresh summit
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yeah

tight bluff
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You can look there, or @ Hei as he seems to be the best guy to ask for PSUs

fresh summit
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idk i think it was the older cx or something

latent bronze
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If you're also going with Ryzen you have StoreMI which would merge the SSD with a HDD to make a type of hybrid

fresh summit
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Ok

latent bronze
fresh summit
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this is why i talk to people i learn new things everyday and my mom says talking to strangers online is bad pfffh

woven horizon
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A tier without even looking before i built lol

latent bronze
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Are you sure we're actually good NYEHE

fresh summit
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lol on here you are i cant speak for you daily habbits

tight bluff
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Honestly you can't trust half the people you speak to but at least in this discord you'll get a more correct general consensus

muted patio
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I'm not impressed with how Stor Mi works. It seems like a constant read/write process moving files around.

fresh summit
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again im getting mixed signals

tight bluff
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Why is ram so god damn cheap in the US

latent bronze
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@muted patio my cousin is quite happy with it since he is using a 120gb SSD and a 500GB HDD

woven horizon
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3000mhz kit is like 74.99

latent bronze
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pretty much 620gb merged

tight bluff
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In the UK, these are the prices of 16gb 3600mhz CL16 ram

woven horizon
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corsair vengeance lpx

tight bluff
loud apex
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Someone told me to put water on my pc to make it cool better

tight bluff
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These are the ONLY models available. Over 75% of them are out of stock and no indication of returning

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Been like this for weeks

loud apex
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I use water cooling

woven horizon
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that same z neo kit i paid 90 dollars for

tight bluff
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Btw that neo kit isnt 136, the website its on is dodgy

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161 is the cheapest price there

woven horizon
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ooof

tight bluff
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Custom loops that cost a LOT and involve risk + skill > Good air cooling > All in one water cooling

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AIO water cooling is kind of bottom of the barrel if you want performance + longetivity over just looks

muted patio
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That's a bit false

tight bluff
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Or an awful air cooler like a stock intel perhaps

muted patio
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a good AIO is better than air

woven horizon
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a 32gb kit would run you 140 us

loud apex
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Clean ur pc unless u want to store and eat the dust

stoic island
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yes

woven horizon
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maybe they are making the memory modules somewhere in the us

tight bluff
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The thing is, C18 ram is a similar price as it is in the US

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16gb 3600mhz CL18 is £67. The same but CL16 is £161

woven horizon
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c16 or c14

tight bluff
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Every model that costs less than that has outright ram out.

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Of 3600 Cl16

latent bronze
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@muted patio everything pretty much has a potential risk

woven horizon
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i cant even oc my ram past 3066

muted patio
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what

latent bronze
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You know what 😉

tight bluff
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^ Are you hitting on him?

woven horizon
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^ YES

muted patio
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I wasn't talking about risk?

fresh summit
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@tight bluff would you say 700w is enough for the build i posted

tight bluff
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700W seems overkill

fresh summit
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ok 650

woven horizon
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more is better imo

tight bluff
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I dont remember your build one bit because Ive had a bit too many whiskies, but 700 seems overkill

fresh summit
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lol

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ill post it again

stoic island
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I kinda wish my ram had better oc headroom

woven horizon
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My xmp wont post so theres that

tight bluff
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You were what, 3600 and 5700 XT? Can get away with a 550W and thats decently safe, could probably pull a 650W but it'd probably blow your budget to get a decently rated one.

loud apex
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I oc my rgb

fresh summit
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yeah

tight bluff
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I need to go to bed, about to collapse, goodnight my lebanese friends. Always good making sweet tension with you.

fresh summit
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goodnight

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dont die

loud apex
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Gn

stoic island
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@fresh summit yes die

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samsung b die

woven horizon
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S die

tight bluff
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I stayed awake to see that joke

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Jesus died so that I could see @stoic island continue to be unfunny

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Goodnight guys

loud apex
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Minus danon

stoic island
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night

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not a good one

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but night

loud apex
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Bad night

woven horizon
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micron a mile tomorrow

fresh summit
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i dont know what i came back to see

stoic island
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I wish I had gotten samsung b die
but the model I have but with b die would've been twice the cost

fresh summit
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i regret it sorta

stoic island
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Dont be

gentle bay
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Is this RX 5700 worth it?

stoic island
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I mean at around that price you might be able to just fit in a 5700xt

gentle bay
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I dont want the xt for size issues

stoic island
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wdym?

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its the exact same card, except a different gpu

gentle bay
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idk

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is it worth the extra 40

viral ore
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$40 more for an xt

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Hell yeh

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Those r good looking cards too

gentle bay
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I hope it fits

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Would it pair up with my current build? lets just replace the 1660ti with either the MSI RX 5700 or the MSI RX 5700 XT

muted patio
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OH yeah, you'll be fine

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E$xtra 40 for XT is def worth it

gentle bay
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Alright

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Also besides the GPU

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So i plan to use 5-6 fans

muted patio
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2 in and 2 out should be fine

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2 front in, back and top out for exhaust

gentle bay
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uh

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I guess

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but i planned on doing

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2 front, 2 top, 1 rear, 1 bot

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top and front take air in

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rear and bottom out

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is that a bad idea

muted patio
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Yes

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You're fighting heat

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Heat rises, use the top and back for exhaust

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and bottom and front for intake

gentle bay
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ok

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So 3 in, 3 out?

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Rear and top out

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Bottom and frontside of the case for air intake?

muted patio
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That sounds great

gentle bay
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Hmm okay

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What do you think is the projected life of the build?

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(replace the 1660ti with a MSI RX5700 XT)

little osprey
stoic island
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sabrent rocket q isnt the best

little osprey
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what is the best

stoic island
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the tlc version would be better

little osprey
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and what m.2 will work with my board

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send me the link

stoic island
muted patio
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^^^^^^^^^^ that one

little osprey
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so that will work with my board

gentle bay
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Hey bek

muted patio
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Ya

gentle bay
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Im kinda worried

stoic island
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Also basically all NVME M.2 SSDs will work with your board

little osprey
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ok thanks

stoic island
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you have 2 slots of key M

gentle bay
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Would my monitor sorta bottleneck performance?

little osprey
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I never used m.2 before

gentle bay
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Lets just say that I replaced the 1660ti with a MSI RX5700 XT

stoic island
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It was bottleneck how nice it'll look

gentle bay
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What

muted patio
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MOnitor isn't going to bottleneck performance lol

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You'll still be pushing xxx frames per second

stoic island
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like if you have a crappy 360p monitor, even though your GPU is capable of doing much more, you would still see really bad graphics

gentle bay
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Okie dokie

little osprey
gentle bay
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okay

little osprey
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hey @muted patio

gentle bay
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Makes sense

stoic island
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also refresh rate

gentle bay
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Im fine with a 75Hz IPS

muted patio
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Good is objective. For 1080p gaming, 1660 super is fine

stoic island
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wait

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sung

little osprey
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ok thanks

gentle bay
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Huh

muted patio
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Get the super, not the regular 1660

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@little osprey

gentle bay
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Oh

little osprey
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send me the link and i will switch it in my cart

stoic island
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You could get a higher refresh rate monitor

prime spear
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is tehre a reason your getting a 75hz monitor?

gentle bay
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this will be my first monitor

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i lowkey dont wanna spend more

stoic island
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since your graphics card would be powerful enough to put out 100+ frames

gentle bay
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Ah

prime spear
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yea Sung Hyun

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i have a 2060 super

muted patio
little osprey
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on newegg

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i don't do amazon

prime spear
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and since your getting the rx 5700xt its gona put out mroe frames

stoic island
#

your screen would be "limiting" your experience to only "seeing" 75 frames

prime spear
#

5700xt is faster than the 2060 super

gentle bay
#

I see

prime spear
#

i got a 165hz monitor

stoic island
#

since 75hz is basically 75 fps it can display

prime spear
#

and works perfectly

stoic island
#

yea

gentle bay
#

okie dokie

prime spear
#

i play all high on fortnite

muted patio
#

@little osprey one or two fan card?

#

They make both

prime spear
#

and i get 165hz

gentle bay
#

Wait only up to 75 fps

little osprey
#

2

prime spear
#

165 frames

little osprey
#

2 fans

stoic island
#

75hz -> 75fps

muted patio
gentle bay
#

So like even if i play something crappy like league itll be capped at 75?

stoic island
#

yep

#

well you could uncap the fps

muted patio
#

Eh, no

stoic island
#

but you wont feel a difference

prime spear
#

your fps wont be capped\

gentle bay
#

but do i risk tearing?

muted patio
#

Frames would be whatever they are

gentle bay
#

okay

prime spear
#

but it would only see 75 fps

muted patio
#

Monitor would only display 75 per second

gentle bay
#

but display wont be any diff?

stoic island
#

^

gentle bay
#

Oh

little osprey
#

and this is has dvi

gentle bay
#

So i basically played myself

little osprey
#

and this has dvi

muted patio
#

Honsetly, it's a big deal like people make it out to be

#

You need DVI?

#

eh

little osprey
#

yes remember

muted patio
#

K, it has it

little osprey
#

it shows it does

stoic island
#

there is a AOC 144hz monitor thats quite cheap is there not

little osprey
muted patio
#

Yes, DVI< it has it

little osprey
#

so get this card

muted patio
#

ye

gentle bay
#

Well snap

muted patio
#

if you want a 1660

gentle bay
#

Sigh looks like i have to make a few returns.

stoic island
#

?

prime spear
#

Thats fine Sung Hyun

muted patio
#

Sung

prime spear
#

i made a return to amazon

#

and they didnt send me my money back for 16 days

#

so if they send you your money back instantly you should be good to order right away

gentle bay
#

Yeah, i asked a rep about their return policy

#

Which wont happen

#

It takes up to 7 to reach a amazon center

#

3-5 days to process the refund—typically

prime spear
#

yup

gentle bay
#

yeah

little osprey
prime spear
#

but thats fine

gentle bay
#

So lemme get this straight

muted patio
#

Yes, that's a good case

gentle bay
#

Is it worth going to a MSI RX5700 XT/ or MSI RX5700 from a MSI 1660ti?

muted patio
#

One of the few with drive bays

little osprey
#

ok

prime spear
#

yes Sung

little osprey
#

i use drive bays

muted patio
#

For 1080p gaming?

prime spear
#

5700xt is a beast for 1080p

little osprey
#

i have a dvd drive that i use

muted patio
#

Overkill for 1080p

little osprey
#

here we go

gentle bay
#

i was aiming for 1440p

muted patio
#

5700XT should be for 1440p

little osprey
#

i have a question so i have just got 3970x coming tmr is my kraken x72 good enough too cool it?

stoic island
#

then go 5700xt

gentle bay
#

but that means i have to change my monitor then

#

right

prime spear
#

Sung that means your gonna change your monitor

stoic island
#

1660 afaik just wouldn't be a great experience for 1440p

prime spear
#

get a 1440p panel

cursive wharf
#

@stoic island input lag still makes a difference even if 60Hz/75Hz monitor. LTT already did a video on this

gentle bay
#

im gonna cry

#

its gonna be another 2-3 weeks

muted patio
#

X72 is fine for TR

stoic island
#

@cursive wharf I kinda just skipped that part bc I was just talking refresh rates at that time

#

I dont think I said input lag was not important at any time

little osprey
#

should i worry about full IHS coverage on 3970x?

muted patio
#

Yes

#

With any TR cpu it should be full coverage

gentle bay
#

Alright so hypothetically, if i were to stick with the MSI RX5700 XT—should i just skip out on the IPS this time?

little osprey
#

so my kraken be bad than?

muted patio
#

I thought you meant rad size TBH

#

Lemme check again

cursive wharf
#

You said that the card wasnt good as you tried to justify a card that run more at the 75Hz line. Which was mainly where I was saying that is a bit false

gentle bay
#

what

stoic island
#

gimme a sec what

#

I was justifying monitor could be better at the time I think

muted patio
#

AMD recommends the Kraken X52, 62 or 61 series

#

So if you're getting a 3970x I'd recommend a change out

little osprey
#

so my x72 is bad?

#

its big brother

#

of x62

muted patio
#

I wouldn't say bad

#

Personally, if it was me, I'd try it out and see how temps looked

little osprey
#

ok

muted patio
#

If temps were a bit high, I'd change it out

cursive wharf
#

wait yeah you were

little osprey
#

@muted patio can that video card handle any game

stoic island
#

can you like re-word that bc I'm not getting your point here

muted patio
#

@1080p, yes

#

ultra settings

little osprey
#

@muted patio do you know any good colers for tr4?

#

like full coveraged

muted patio
#

I'm not a TR expert but I can look into it.

cursive wharf
#

@stoic island I mean I didnt see any messages past that and didnt know that it was already sorted out so it doesnt matter. But you were trying to justify a monitor upgrade

little osprey
#

@muted patio thanks i am just been super worried

#

@muted patio my total price for pc is $1340

muted patio
#

@little osprey honestly, run the X72. I don't see an issue with seeing as how AMD recommends the smaller versions with the same pump and heatspreader coverage

stoic island
#

also I might have the full situation here

muted patio
#

Or we could just quit arguing about silly stuff, who's right/wrong, etc.

stoic island
#

I'm making the Assumption that its recently bought/not bought yet, so within returns n stuff

little osprey
#

uh oh cat fight

stoic island
#

as in, they're not upgrading old monitor into new, they're choosing a new monitor

muted patio
#

@little osprey if you're super concerned, the ML360 TR4 is a full coverage AIO. BUt personally, I wouldn't worry about.

cursive wharf
#

wait which AIO was it with a bunch of corrosion failures? Enermax one I think?

little osprey
#

OK

#

@muted patio thanks for helping me

muted patio
#

Liqtech and Enermax

#

YW

little osprey
#

i heard bad things about enermax

#

on tr4

muted patio
#

Yeah

#

don't

#

They corrode

cursive wharf
#

Sad thing is that it was one of the best performers iirc

muted patio
#

It was a good performer.

little osprey
#

you would think they would fix it

muted patio
#

Just needs a different fluid inside. They probably already have fixed it

little osprey
#

enermax minus coolermaster is only full ihs coverage

cursive wharf
#

They did make a v2, but same issue

little osprey
#

aio

#

i was looking at nocuta before but was wanted d15 version for tr4

muted patio
#

That'd be a good choice for an air cooler. But like I said, the X72 uses the same pump and heat plate the X62, etc do. Should be fine.

little osprey
#

yeah i will let you know i still waiting for cpu and mobo and new nvme storage i think my cpu is coming tmr and mobo and new drives friday

muted patio
#

You have good paste right?

little osprey
#

i have coolermaster thermal fusion

muted patio
#

MX-4 or Kryonaught or something?

little osprey
#

hole tube

muted patio
#

Fusion 400?

gentle bay
#

So what kind of monitor Res would i go with for the MSI RX5700 XT? And which panel type?

muted patio
#

1440p preferably IPS.

gentle bay
#

2nd choice?

#

cause i know that's gonna be expensive

little osprey
#

@muted patio its ice fusion from coolermaster

muted patio
#

Equivalent to MX-4

#

It'll be fine

gentle bay
#

If IPS isnt possible for my budget

#

What should i go for instead?

muted patio
#

TN is fine just not from an angle

gentle bay
#

TN?

muted patio
#

head on gaming it's great, from the sides it loses quality

little osprey
#

@muted patio the cpus still come with tr4 bracket right for aios?

gentle bay
#

I see

#

okay and how many hz

#

should i be aiming for

#

anything above 100 or?

muted patio
#

120-144

stoic island
#

I havnt actually found many panels at 120 for some reason

#

most are 144

gentle bay
#

yikes $500 dollars for an ips

muted patio
#

What?

#

No way

stoic island
#

excuse me what are you looking at?

#

4k?

gentle bay
#

lemme just narrow it down

little osprey
#

has anyone used Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe 4.0 Gen4 drives i ordered 4 wanted to get some other people opinions on it

gentle bay
#

3440 x 1440? or 2560 x 1440?

muted patio
#

2560

stoic island
#

I would myself suggest 2560x1440 so not many issues if like older games scales not so well

muted patio
#

@little osprey fantastic drive

#

I have one, fast as heck

#

Oh wait

little osprey
#

yeah i am going raid 4 of them with addon card with msi creator board

muted patio
#

you said GEN 4 lol

#

I have the Gen 3 and it's fast as heck

little osprey
#

not really care about speeds just wanted to make sure they good brand

#

i know all gen 4 drives used same controller and memory

#

@muted patio i have a question do i really have to use the fan control

muted patio
#

What fan control?

little osprey
#

because this case has it

muted patio
#

You don't have to, you can use your motherboard fan headers

#

Depending on how many you have

little osprey
gentle bay
#

hmm looks neat

little osprey
#

i have someone putting in my liquid cooling

gentle bay
#

but I think i might look for a more friendly AMD Radeon Freesync monitor

little osprey
#

but i will plug the front fan in power supply cable

#

should i take out those drives

muted patio
#

Yeah that'd be enough for 3970x

little osprey
#

since i will be mounting my ssd

#

is their a guide on raid drives on trx40?

muted patio
#

Wait, front fan directly into power? No speed control that way

#

Raid drives will depend on your controller

little osprey
#

i dont want speed control

muted patio
#

So if the add in card is doing the RAID, grab that manual

little osprey
#

and its a 4 pin

#

ok

#

its 4x16

muted patio
#

Well, you'll need a 4 pin to molex or sata converter then

#

can't just plug a fan into the power supply

little osprey
#

i think my case comes with it

muted patio
#

i can't comment on that because I honestly don't know

little osprey
#

do most 140 do 3pin

#

or case fans

#

are they usually 3 pin

stoic island
#

depends on if they're PWM or just dc

little osprey
#

you guys think a 850w is enough for 3970x and 5700xt?

#

gold+

muted patio
#

yes

stoic island
#

yea

little osprey
#

thanks so much i been little worried its my first time doing TR build

#

upgrading from i7 6800k

gentle bay
#

Wait im stupid

#

this is AMD Free sync compatible

little osprey
#

do we know when we see more 256gb kits released?

stoic island
#

AMD is what free sync is made for

#

as in AMD GPUs use freesync

little osprey
#

some free sync monitor are g-sync compabile too

stoic island
#

many claim to be

little osprey
stoic island
#

nvidia only said like 18 or smth like that was

muted patio
#

nVidia has certified a couple hindred freesync mopnitors now

#

couple hundred*

#

holy typing lol

stoic island
#

ah

gentle bay
#

@stoic island Yeah I think im gonna go with the RX5700Xt

stoic island
#

When I looked it up a while ago I found it saying like nvidia only offically certified like 18 or smth

little osprey
#

yeah it's like 200+ now

stoic island
#

I see

#

I wonder if my monitor is on there :p

little osprey
#

proby

stoic island
#

oh I see

little osprey
#

like my new alienware 240hz ips is cerfied for g-sync but i use HDMI since i use capture card

stoic island
#

thats where I got 18 from

muted patio
#

Understood

little osprey
#

that fan looks like only 3 pin

#

yeah a lot can change in a year lol @stoic island

#

@muted patio do most cases have 3 pin case fans

stoic island
#

damn my monitor not on there

muted patio
#

Right

#

you need a 3 pin to SATA or Molex adapter depending on your power supply

#

Or to use the fan hub

little osprey
#

a lot times as long monitor supports LFC its works fine with g-sync

#

i have a 3 pin that can plug into the power supply cable

stoic island
#

yea I tried it before

little osprey
#

same cable that plugs into thermaltake fans

stoic island
#

but in games it had a wierd thing of the game detecting refresh rate at 143.98

#

and it was just annoying me

#

(with DP)

#

so I just went back to using hdmi and no g-sync

little osprey
muted patio
#

Yep, that's it

#

If your power supply has a Molex connector

#

Some new ones don't, so be sure and check

little osprey
#

it does

muted patio
#

There ya go!

little osprey
#

so i just plug that connector into the front fan

muted patio
#

Yes

little osprey
#

and on my case is the ssd's expansion the bottom ones on my case

muted patio
#

Should be able to mount the SSD in any of the 3.5" drive bays/trays

little osprey
muted patio
#

Yep, it will screw in through the bottom of any of those trays

little osprey
#

ok so take out the top trays

muted patio
#

Or you can mount it to the back panel also, I think

little osprey
#

can i take off the power supply cover

latent bronze
#

@stoic island there is a lot more than that now cause i visited like the LG page and they have a lot more monitors that are compatible

muted patio
#

I don't know about the PSU cover

little osprey
#

i saw videos that you can

#

i dont want that

muted patio
#

It looks like there are thumb screws holding it in

little osprey
#

you have to unscrew from the back is that right

muted patio
#

Yes

little osprey
#

i dont want to deal with the hassel

#

you know what i mean

#

and does my motherboard come with a 3.0 connector

muted patio
#

Yes

little osprey
stoic island
#

I see

latent bronze
#

For that case i saw kyle deal with it which he just had to loosen one of the hinge screws to fit in the fan properly

little osprey
#

i just want to take off that psu cover

muted patio
#

Three screws on the back, it comes out

latent bronze
#

the PSU shroud?

little osprey
#

how big will this case be compared to a mid tower

muted patio
#

Yes

#

I checked the manual

#

It'll be taller and longer

little osprey
#

My cpu gets low as 6c

latent bronze
#

eh that fan

#

and those cables

little osprey
#

this case had horrible case management

muted patio
#

Noctua fans ugly. But they move lots of air and are quiet

latent bronze
#

Noctua doesn't bother me it is just the orientation

little osprey
gentle bay
#

wow

little osprey
#

never have issues

gentle bay
#

i would get the black noctua

#

costs a bit extra

#

but fits the color scheme

little osprey
#

except i had a bad stick of ram which kept my computer freeze constantly

#

so i took it out no more freezing

#

so i went from 16 to 8

#

you guys think noctua will make black coolers for tr4?

fresh summit
#

i dont see why not

muted patio
#

Kinda doubtful, noctua typically doesn't do bling

fresh summit
#

you dony think so

little osprey
#

i am just kinda sad we only saw mainstream get black coolers

fresh summit
#

well i get what you mean

little osprey
#

how fast will my computer be with a m.2 as boot and ssd as storage

muted patio
#

Faster than you can blink

fresh summit
#

fast

little osprey
#

Very fast

muted patio
#

10ish second boot time from cold

little osprey
#

damn

#

serious

#

gen 4 drives from cold is 4s

fresh summit
#

my pc righ now with just a m.2 not a nvme boots in like 13 seconds

little osprey
#

im using an ssd right now as a primary

fresh summit
#

or 11 something like that

little osprey
#

show off

#

lol

fresh summit
#

there pretty cheap

little osprey
#

mines a nvme

#

going to be

#

storage and memory been cheap for a minute

fresh summit
#

ahh im building a new pc soon and it will have a nvme

little osprey
#

this is my first gaming pc

muted patio
#

And getting cheaper

little osprey
#

i think it getting cheaper since DDR5 is less year out now

fresh summit
#

this is gonna be my first pc i build but right now im using a laptop i use for school

#

it is

little osprey
#

thanks for helping me out @muted patio

muted patio
#

You're welcome!

fresh summit
#

@muted patio is very good at helping

little osprey
#

i wonder since AMD made new hole TR socket is it DDR5 compatible

#

my other friends quit talking to me because i told them i got diagnosed with ptsd

latent bronze
muted patio
#

HAHAHA

little osprey
#

i saw you have a bike

muted patio
#

I have multiple bikes, they breed like rabbits

little osprey
#

LMFAO

#

i got rear ended on mine

latent bronze
muted patio
#

Oof, glad you're ok!

worldly river
#

So I just installed 2 extra sticks of ram (of the same type) that were in my other PC. Now I can't get past BIOS. Error 0xc0000221. What's my next troubleshooting steps?

little osprey
#

i was paralyzed for months

latent bronze
#

Have to admit just from the image it looks cool

muted patio
#

Dood, I'm not joking. There's 7 right now. I swear tomorrow there will be 8

little osprey
#

the guy is in prison for 11 years

muted patio
#

he went to prison?

#

HECK YEAH! That doesn't happen often enough

little osprey
#

WOW damn

#

im lucky to be alive

muted patio
#

Sounds like it

little osprey
#

and i was told it was on camera

muted patio
#

I'm very thankful to have only crashed on the track

little osprey
#

i guess the signal light had a camera

gentle bay
#

Damn

little osprey
#

i was told i was stopped and got it and he bent the frame

#

hit not it

#

they said he had to be going over 40

muted patio
#

Man, I watch my mirros like a hawk at lights for that reason

#

It has saved my bacon three times time

#

I was able to get out of the way in time

little osprey
#

i have punched so many mirrors because of almost getting hit

worldly river
#

Help?

little osprey
#

?

muted patio
#

What's up cannibal?

worldly river
#

So I just installed 2 extra sticks of ram (of the same type) that were in my other PC. Now I can't get past BIOS. Error 0xc0000221. What's my next troubleshooting steps?

muted patio
#

That error happens in the BIOS?

little osprey
#

i have punched mirrors off cars because of them not paying attention

muted patio
#

That's a windows error

little osprey
#

have you tried reseting the cmos?

fresh summit
#

lol

worldly river
#

Well right after bios menu

little osprey
#

thats a window issue

fresh summit
#

@little osprey you said he got 11 years in prison

muted patio
#

Well, it's memory related

#

so, Reset the CMOS/BIOS

little osprey
#

thats what i was told

muted patio
#

something isn't set right

little osprey
#

if thats case than reset the cmos

#

medical bills $350,000

fresh summit
#

some semitruck driver killed my aunt and her sister and didnt serve any time

#

dang

worldly river
#

Okay I'll look up how to do that, ty

muted patio
#

YW

little osprey
#

i got hit on a motorcycle

muted patio
#

if that doesn't fix it come back

little osprey
#

so you can see why he went to prison

worldly river
#

Will do ty

fresh summit
#

well he "served" time learning english outside of a prison/jail

little osprey
#

best thing about these modern mobo now is they come with clear cmos switch

muted patio
#

That's negligence, yeah

fresh summit
#

yeah but he fell asleep driving and killed 2 people

gentle bay
#

Hey Bek, besides an IPS, what was the other panel type you told me to look out for

fresh summit
#

and nothing

little osprey
#

damn

muted patio
#

Fell asleep??

#

That's rough

#

@gentle bay TN panel

little osprey
#

i was told he was looking down

muted patio
#

PHONE

little osprey
#

had to be

muted patio
#

As a big truck driver, I see sooooooo many people on their phones

#

Makes me so mad

fresh summit
#

yeah he was form russia and didnt speak english so his time served was 1 year of learing our languge

little osprey
#

OOF

muted patio
#

Not enough punishment

fresh summit
#

nope

worn apex
#

evening all 🙂

fresh summit
#

he was free after that

little osprey
#

BS

#

i can't wait for 3970x to come in today

fresh summit
#

ohhh

little osprey
#

yeah i snatched one last on newegg

fresh summit
#

nice

little osprey
#

i was shocked it stock

fresh summit
#

yeah

little osprey
#

but than again who spending 2k on cpu lol

#

unless prosumer

fresh summit
#

yeah lol

little osprey
#

my only complaint about new TRs is how expsive new boards are

worldly river
#

Okay looking up cmos resetting they want me to do it manually on the Mobo? Is this correct? Sorry about being a noob

muted patio
#

Yes

#

either remove the battery or short a couple of pins

#

With the PC unplugged from the wall

worn apex
muted patio
#

That RX570 is a bit rough

#

Can you squeeze a little more for a better GPU?

little osprey
#

i was thinking same thing

#

maybe go 5600xt

worn apex
#

wish i could .. tight budget

muted patio
#

Then I'd go less on the NVME and a better GPU if you want to game

#

Or go SSD and a better GPU

worn apex
#

if i can find a 5600xt for around the same price i wouild

little osprey
#

i would ditch nvme or less amount like @muted patio

muted patio
#

I'd go at least 1650 super at $185

#

and a lesser drive

#

Oh snap

little osprey
#

don't 5500xt beat 1650 super?

fresh summit
#

if you take like 20 out of the nvme you can get a better gpu

muted patio
#

nevermind

worn apex
#

i can find a 128 nvme with 500gb ssd, should be able to squeeze the 5600xt then

muted patio
#

570 is a tad better than a 1650

fresh summit
#

it is

muted patio
#

lemme try again

#

Oh wait

#

I was looking 1650 standard

#

1650 super is 25% faster

#

For $35

worn apex
#

first build in like 15 years lol .. so im tryna do my research

fresh summit
#

ahh

muted patio
#

I'd go 1650 super and a regular SSD

fresh summit
#

yeah it is

muted patio
#

if budget is that tight

#

It's worth it for gaming

worn apex
#

i got like $750 to swing with

#

maybe a little more

muted patio
#

wait what?

#

$750 for a mobo/ram/mobo/gpu?

little osprey
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i think he means overall for rig

worn apex
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yep

muted patio
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K, hang on

worn apex
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i got case, PSU and other peripherals already

muted patio
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Ok, I can work with that

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stand by

worn apex
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just nee mobo etc .. the "guts" of the machine

muted patio
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Yup, working on it

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I'll get you a partpicker list

worn apex
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kk

little osprey
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don't worry @muted patio is best

muted patio
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not the best

little osprey
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really good

muted patio
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Others deserve that title lol

little osprey
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i mean alot times you better than support i get off newegg live chat D:

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have

worldly river
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Well that was way easier than I thought it was going to be. Thank you!

worn apex
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lol .. i used to be in retail many moons ago .. been quite a while since i actually built a system from ground up

muted patio
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$742

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With a splash of RGB

fresh summit
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lol

little osprey
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LMFAO

muted patio
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lulz

fresh summit
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the unicorn vomit cant ever be left out

muted patio
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Eh

worn apex
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thank you!

little osprey
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i feel like every pc part by 2020 just have rgb d:

muted patio
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i can change that

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YW

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If you don't want RGB ram I can change it

fresh summit
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i dont mind rgb i think it is a nice touch but when every thing is rainbow it is an eyesoar

worn apex
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will scribble that all into my budgeting so the wife isn't shellshocked by me changing stuff around lol

little osprey
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i like rgb for my gaming pc but on my workstation i turn that stuff instalstly off

fresh summit
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yeah

worn apex
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a little RGB is ok .. puts a splash on things .. i have RGB on the case side panel .. has a 240MM super silent low pro fan on the plexi ...

muted patio
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Well, there ya go lol

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I think that stock AMD cooler has an RGB ring also

fresh summit
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yeah i think sooooooo

latent bronze
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@cyan osprey Id wait in case Nvidia would announce it they are bringing out a new GPU this year before going for a 2060 super

little osprey
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3600 don't come with prism

worn apex
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i believe its a very common add on for AMD gear .. ive seen quite a lot of it

little osprey
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only 3700x and above

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minus 3950x

latent bronze
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3600 non X comes with a Wraith Stealth

worldly river
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My 2700x came with one

latent bronze
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Spire is 3600X

cyan osprey
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alright

fresh summit
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ahh

muted patio
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Prims and Spire are RGB

little osprey
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O

latent bronze
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Well the Spire RGB

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cause there is one that is non RGB

little osprey
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i thought amd made only prims had rgb like last gens

muted patio
worn apex
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im hoping to grab a samsung curved 24" wide for display .. local puter store has a couple of display models and im hoping they'll sell me half price

little osprey
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Good selling point for rgb fans D:

worldly river
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I have both a 3800x and a 2700x that came with the wraith

latent bronze
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I have been thinking of replacing my cooler with the Prism

little osprey
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is the prisim only 3900x than?

muted patio
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3700x and up

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I have one in a box I've never used lol

gentle fossil
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@cyan osprey your pc is almost identical to mine lol

latent bronze
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i like Horizontal coolers more than Vertical

worldly river
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I'm sorry I meant to type prism

cyan osprey
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lol

worldly river
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They both came with the prism

muted patio
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2700x had the prism? interesting

fresh summit
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yeah it does

little osprey
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tbh only aircooling company i trust is noctua

worldly river
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Indeed

muted patio
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Oh wow, it does

worldly river
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Beige is the best

latent bronze
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I think 1700 was the max

fresh summit
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i was thinking about streaming so i was looking at that cpu and i remember it does

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but i am not one for streaming

latent bronze
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For streaming i would go for Nvidia for the GPU