#building-and-recc-chat | Newegg | Page 453

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 4:16 PM

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I dont see why a 2600 would have MUCH trouble handling the encoding.

jaunty karma Jan 4, 2020, 4:16 PM

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So i always have to open my air con

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To cool things down

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Its also hard to find a nvidia card here in ph

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I think

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Idk

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Havent seen one

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Your friends 2080 TIs

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 4:20 PM

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you should see if his rich ass can spare you one of those 😄

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 4:32 PM

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God here is hoping 4th gen Ryzen is worth something more than the 3950x

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I dont think the 3950x will be obsolete any time soon.

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 4:33 PM

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@polar holly that sentence really does not make much sense. Elaborate?

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Not saying it will be anywhere near obsolete just hoping for more out of it. Just hoping ryzen doesn’t pull what intel did with their hedt chip. A reboot with marginal performance boost.

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 4:35 PM

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since when are they aiming for a "reboot"?

vestal cove Jan 4, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Should I get the MSI Z390-A pro or the MSI Mpg Z390 gaming plus

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 4:36 PM

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They aren’t I am hoping that they manage to do more than just a small performance bump that isn’t all that meaningful compared to previous generations with a new architecture

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 4:37 PM

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there are still a couple of areas that could be improved. imc comes to mind.

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I am aware there are areas to improve and that is what I want and am hoping for to happen. What I don’t want is for them to not do that

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 4:37 PM

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what makes you think they would aim for that?

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(as in, aim for not improving as much as they can?)

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I am saying I am wanting them to aim for that improvement.

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Where did that get confusing

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 4:40 PM

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i am asking you: What makes you think that there is any chance of them not trying their utmost?

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because not trying their best would be quite silly

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considering they have only just started being taken seriously in all fields except for mobile

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 4:44 PM

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@dry tinsel i just got a 2700 to replace a i5 6500, got a great deal on it with a new mobo. they are really great chips, especially considering their prices right now 🙂

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@foggy hazel considering amd's track record over the years, its not unreasonable to think they will loose the edge they have now in the near future, from pentium 4 to core 2, was only like a 4 year time frame, and intel took the throne back and then dominated for over a decade

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 4:48 PM

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aye aye, which is why i am asking him what makes him think they are going to try less than their best effort :)

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 4:49 PM

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if i had to take a guess, complacency might creep in

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 4:50 PM

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there is no logical reason for that yet

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unlike the years that intel got left to their own devices

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 4:50 PM

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i hope not, lisa su doesn't seem like the type that will rest on her heels

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 4:50 PM

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no, she does not

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monday will be interesting.

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 4:53 PM

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i am waiting on them to announce the 4th gen apu's, aren't they built on the previous gen cpu architecture? so the 4k series ryzen apu's will be zen 2 cores, right?

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 4:54 PM

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4xxx APU's will come with zen 2 (the current desktop cpu architecture)

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(i still find that a very silly naming scheme)

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the interesting bit about the APU's is what kind of gpu tech they put in. because there are a bunch of interesting possibilities

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 4:56 PM

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yep, looking to build a small form factore emulator box to go under my tv and a apu is perfect for that sort of thing

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 4:56 PM

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aye

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 4:59 PM

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athlon APU might actually be satisfactory for that

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 5:00 PM

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no point in doing something if you can't over do it 😛

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:00 PM

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depending on what tech they cram in the 4000 series apu's .. yes and no :)

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 5:01 PM

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can the athlon apu's handle 4k streaming?

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:02 PM

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depends on how much is stripped from the video block

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 5:03 PM

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well whatever like netflix/hulu does for their 4k vids

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or if i buy movies from itunes/gplay

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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main challenge for the 3000g would be thread count

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(for anyhthing that is not offloaded to the video block)

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because that is a 2c/4t cpu

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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the 3200 isn't much more, its a quadcore isn't it?

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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4c/4t

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also, keep in mind, the 3000g doesnt have turbo at all

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 5:08 PM

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$50 for a dual core with HT, man i remember when a dual core athlon x2 5000 was like $700

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:08 PM

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(and for simplicity, lets stick to non-oc talks)

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aye, really cannot complain about the cost of the lowend

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and the performance that is offered at that end

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 5:12 PM

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that is the one thing i've always liked about amd, i think they do really well in the mid-range and low end markets

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 5:12 PM

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And now, high end.

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 5:14 PM

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yeah, i was really tempted on a 3900, but i had to keep asking myself "other than really enjoying saying dodeca-core, you really don't need one"

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:14 PM

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on the desktop? yes, i agree.

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I said the same about a 3950x. And I was right. Got one anyway.

twin condor Jan 4, 2020, 5:19 PM

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i'd go threadripper tbh if i need more than 8 cores lol

next merlin Jan 4, 2020, 5:22 PM

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So uh, first build went and it didnt post. Any advice on how to troubleshoot?

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:22 PM

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check that everything is properly seated (connected)

next merlin Jan 4, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Im planning to just take of the case and reconnect everything outside

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:24 PM

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that is the recommended thing to do before you put it in the case

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exactly for the reasons that you are noticing now :)

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 5:30 PM

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@twin condor The price difference for TR4 mobos though kind of makes even buying old TRs unviable financially.

old charm Jan 4, 2020, 5:33 PM

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typing in the wrong chat rip

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I think I gotta update my Bios

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Cuz my bios version date says 9/17

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📎 unknown.png

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but the latest Bios on the support page says 11/19

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:36 PM

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is anything actually wrong with your system?

old charm Jan 4, 2020, 5:37 PM

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it won't post right the first time

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but it does after I turn it off/turn it back on

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:38 PM

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have you gone through other error checking steps with people here or?

old charm Jan 4, 2020, 5:39 PM

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No. Not here specifically but I've been poking around and a common first step is "update your Bios"

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and I just checked and I'm pretty sure mine's actually out of date

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so I was hoping it would fix the issue

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:39 PM

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true, "update your bios" is a good "pray and hope" solution :)

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because it could be a LOT of different things causing it

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so the "hope" is that it is something in the bios

old charm Jan 4, 2020, 5:40 PM

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yeah just learning how to do it is gonna be a pain in the balls

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:41 PM

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look at the support page for your mainboard

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there should be a decent guide for it there

old charm Jan 4, 2020, 5:44 PM

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lol

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the only guides are for RGB

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rippp

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:44 PM

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mainboard model?

old charm Jan 4, 2020, 5:46 PM

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tomahawkb450

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:47 PM

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https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-TOMAHAWK <- top of the page

Support For B450 TOMAHAWK | Motherboard - The world leader in moth...

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there is a link for a guide

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https://puu.sh/EWmz3/a89db502df.png

old charm Jan 4, 2020, 5:49 PM

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oh i see it

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danke

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:49 PM

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np

old charm Jan 4, 2020, 5:55 PM

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i have a question tho

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my mobo has a usb specifically lableled "flash Bios" I should put the flash drive in there, yeah?

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 5:56 PM

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yes

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also, have a look in your mainboard manual

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the actual one, not the quick-start one

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that should also have the steps for updating the bios lined up

old charm Jan 4, 2020, 5:57 PM

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yeah I'll whip that out too

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Hey @muted patio

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Just put my RTX 2060 super in

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About to run benchmarks

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Hope you did a driver install in between those 2 things NYEHE

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 6:16 PM

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yup

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downloaded the latest driver instantly when i got on 😄

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@eager chasm

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Windows is shockingly good at auto-downloading working drivers imo - can change all kinds of hardware, seems like it's almost hard to break

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(But I never endorse or recommend that)

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Finally got my sister's computer all set up, got all the drivers installed too

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 6:21 PM

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nice

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i love my comp

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i used to have to play on all low on rainbow to get like 120 fps

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i jsut blasted medium settings with full 1920.x1080 and im getting my monitors refresh rate with gsync

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i love computers

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 6:23 PM

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I love playing on ultra and still getting over 100FPS in games ;)

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 6:23 PM

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me to lol

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im trying out all my games i have bought but never able to play because of super low frames

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like destiny 23

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destiny 2

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got 60 fps or lower on all low

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apex

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got 60 or lower most of the time

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excited to try a bunch of different games and stream 😄

paper ermine Jan 4, 2020, 6:50 PM

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RIP, I think my ram came dead :(

somber wraith Jan 4, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Im tryin to build a new pc with an itx case

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Does anyone know a good one to recommend

latent bronze Jan 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I am about to pass back out but you should also drop how much you would be willing to spend

somber wraith Jan 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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like 100 or under

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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it depends on what other parts you want and how much

latent bronze Jan 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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100$?

somber wraith Jan 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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ya

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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for case or full build

latent bronze Jan 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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you're not building anything with that

somber wraith Jan 4, 2020, 6:54 PM

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just the case

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for 100 under

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 6:54 PM

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do you have a partpicker for your build up to the case part

somber wraith Jan 4, 2020, 6:54 PM

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the other parts I already have

paper ermine Jan 4, 2020, 6:54 PM

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NZXT H210i is a nice itx case under 100

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 6:54 PM

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what are they many itx cases have different heights and lenghts

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mostly cooling, gpu, psu

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@somber wraith ??

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Silverstone has good ITX cases that can fit multifan cards and full sized ATX power supplies

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 7:29 PM

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@eager chasm you mean "fit"?

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@somber wraith the part list is to see what kind of height and thickness requirements are needed with your current hardware.

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wont do much good recommending you a case that doesnt fit your gpu fx :)

abstract garden Jan 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Could anyone tell me if they know any problems or if there is any problems with this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bfgJk6

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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@abstract garden grab a sabrent rocket instead of the 860 evo

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faster drive, same-ish price

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2 less wires to run too

abstract garden Jan 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Alrighty i’ll change it rn lol thanks

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Change CPU as 9600k vs 3600, 3600 wins in 1% lows. Change CPU cooler cuz 212 is overpriced and overrated, RAM is overpriced, all storage is overpriced, GPU is overpriced, case isn't that good, and PSU isn't that good

abstract garden Jan 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Yeah the Seagate Barracuda has went up in price I saw which kinda sucks

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You’re basically saying everything is overpriced? Lmao

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Yep, basically

abstract garden Jan 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Mmmm

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Interesting

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How so?

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:18 PM

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because the value/performance ratio on the amd side of things is currently better

abstract garden Jan 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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So just grab an AMD instead?

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bfBZ27

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$20 more, but much better perf

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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at least go nvme Hei

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you have the slot for it

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:21 PM

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I was lazy. Had the list already mostly set and didn't feel like changing it

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:22 PM

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fair :)

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Probs change HDD tho, idk much about Hitachi

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:22 PM

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I feel like it'd be a useful project for us to just keep a communal "best part at x price" rough build list based on current sales

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:22 PM

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they are okay

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for spinning rust, they are okay

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@celest horizon we would be hardpressed to agree on it

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and it changes from country to country

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some parts are way overpriced in certain regions

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Country to country and constantly editing it would be a bit interesting

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:24 PM

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True, but most of us are NA, and a few CA, fewer EU - I would support similar lists

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:24 PM

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if you mean a massive PITA? yes

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 8:24 PM

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@celest horizon Id file that under razy lacism

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:25 PM

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I feel live we've ironed out the whole 5700xt vs 2070 super thing, - i.e. performane/dollar vs features

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And we all seem to like 3600's, gammax 400's, whatever PSU hei recommends, b450 msi, z390 aorus, - again, just a rough starting point

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:26 PM

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CUDA, NVENC, and gsync (say you already have a gsync monitor that was bought before the freesync/gsync)

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:26 PM

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@celest horizon the problem with lists is that they are taken as gospel

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Only real reason for 2060-2080

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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people barely read even the shortest amount of text

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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I would try to stress that as explicitly as possible @ Naed - that it would be a rough guide

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Rough guide tho is something people don't seem to pay attention to

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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mind, i am not against it, but i am not a fan of it either

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:28 PM

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They just see guide and ignore the "rough" part of it

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:28 PM

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experience just tells me it is a nightmare to clean up the "impressions" left by lists

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at work i weekly deal with trying to explain why benchmarks from 5 years ago are not relevant anymore.

abstract garden Jan 4, 2020, 8:29 PM

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@cursive wharf I’ve already purchased the Power Supply and Case 😭

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:31 PM

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@ Forks that really says more about the inability of the mobo vendors to have relevant info on their pages, and having said info presented in a way that makes a lick of sense :)

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also, for 99% of buyers, vrm do not matter one bit. <- this is a sidepoint, and a potential debate all on its own (edit: clarification on context)

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:32 PM

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haha I kinda liked the asus spun "vrm-gate" starting around x299 and leading into the X/XI hero whining

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:32 PM

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bah

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humbug

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:32 PM

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I mean, I didn't, it drove me nuts

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But it did get people talking about power delivery componentry, mb design, so that was cool

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Haha ya - I often joke people fear the "vrm bookeyman" "4 phases bad" etc

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:33 PM

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which sadly tipped into the "buildzoid liked this, so i must have it" mentality

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his context is very specific, and it gets ignored by 99.99% of the people that use his statements as recommendations

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:34 PM

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I haven't seen him chat much lately, busy making vids I guess. The probinator content was fantastic.
Also he has a nicer differential probe than I do and I'm jelly 🙂

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:34 PM

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@abstract garden PSU seems a bit sketch. Can't really say due to no real info on it. However the temperature tolerance is low, fan quality is bad, and short warranty. Also due to EVGA not sending any review samples. Seems like it's a pretty low end PSU

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:35 PM

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True - he does have to restate that his channel is litterally named "AHOC" haha

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:35 PM

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and people dont REALLY understand what that actually means

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in the greater scheme of things

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:35 PM

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But he also does reluctantly -it seems- respond to users asking for input on parts selection for more practical use cases

abstract garden Jan 4, 2020, 8:35 PM

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But what about the case?

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:36 PM

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he is a fairly sane normal human is what you mean @celest horizon ?

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referring to the "reluctantly" part

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Ya, I mean, I have a lot of respect for the guy

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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I'd return the PSU. Case is meh, you can keep it if you want but you can also return it for a case that is a bit better priced. But def at least replace the PSU if you can @abstract garden

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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same Forks

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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He's answered a few of my dumb questions

abstract garden Jan 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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If I ran with the Ryzen build you sent but with the Case and PSU I had would it still work?

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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there are no truly dumb questions Forks. only silly answers

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:39 PM

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@abstract garden PSU could cause instability. As I said, it's pretty sketchy. Wattage is fine, but quality isnt

abstract garden Jan 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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I would like to return the PSU but it’s kind of a hassle

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Im too lazy 😂

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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@ Forks, it is however up to each person to decide if they want to answer

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Mickulty had a good response regarding how he's happy to answer "googleable" questions - in that to the novice user, it's often difficult to pick out the high quality info/data right off the bat

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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@abstract garden would you be willing to risk the rest of your system on that?

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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If it means that your PC will work correctly then I'd return it

abstract garden Jan 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Lmao prolly not

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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then return it.

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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sorry - what psu model btw?

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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@foggy hazel I mean it shouldn't kill it. But could be group regulated

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Group regulated is like 2000's oof

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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aye aye, i would not touch that one with a bargepole

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Which will damage in long run
EVGA BR

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:42 PM

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cwt or fsp?

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:42 PM

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and yes, it should not. The chasing his own tail because it is potentially unstable will cause him to throw the case out the window.

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which will kill it

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Don't know. Very little info on it

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:42 PM

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@little osprey any that you like.

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:43 PM

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http://www.orionpsudb.com/evga

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:44 PM

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@little osprey we cannot decide what you like. that is your problem/challenge :)

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also @celest horizon aye, agreed on the answering of questions. I dont mind answering at all, especially for new builders or planners. Because as you said, info can be presented moon side up, in a lot of cases.

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Sometimes I feel like I come off as unintentionally a bit rude when I post a google search link - but the intention being showing the user the way I would search for said info.

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ofc I don't use lmgtfy haha

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 8:47 PM

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the assumption is on the user side of that one Forks

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Decent sale https://www.newegg.com/corsair-hx-series-hx750-cp-9020137-na-750w/p/N82E16817139206

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 8:51 PM

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guys

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i got a problem

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i used to run a r5 2600x with a 960

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now im running a 2600x

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with a rtx 2060 su9per

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and im getting the same fps

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on my 960

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on rainbow

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i got an average of 120-140 on myt 960

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im now getting litterally a 20 fps boost on the exact same settings

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only on an rtx 2060 super

rocky dirge Jan 4, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Su9per

cursive wharf Jan 4, 2020, 9:01 PM

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2600x won't push much more than 200 fps on the AAA average game

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 9:01 PM

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the build is a success: the cable management in the define nano S is abysmal however

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no matter what you do, you're gonna have stuff hanging out

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partly because there's very small grommets and holes

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and partly because with an HD behind the side panel, there's simply no room for it

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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@cursive wharf

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Yea it will

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I'm playing on all low

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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also glhf pulling out front panel connectors when you try to do some management

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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And when I was doing research

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Everyone with rtx 2060supers and r2600xs were getting over 200fps

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On most titles

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So idk why I'm not getting it

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Number one question: Did you install the latest drivers for it from the Nvidia website

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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@prime spear "most titles" <- elaborate

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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AAA

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titles

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like rainbow

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fortnite

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csgo

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destiny 2

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fortnite is fine

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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fortnite csgo destiny 2 AAA titles

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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i get over 160

muted patio Jan 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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The benchmark I found that had 193 FPS average was with a 5 ghz 8700K, not a 2600

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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"AAA titles" proceeds to list sub A titles

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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those are esports games

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except destiny

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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well idk what triple A titles are xD

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i watch benchmark reviews

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and they say most triple A titles

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and it includes the 5 i just said

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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they benchmark a lot of AAA titles like shadow of the tomb raider and more recently control

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witcher 3

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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well im not getting the fps i should be

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Its down to opinion, most people generally agree on recently released titles by major publishers that have had major development.

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:12 PM

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im getting the exact same i am getting on a 960

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and my 960 was maxed out 100%

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while my rtx 2060 super was o0nly at 50%

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cpu never hit 100% either so

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:12 PM

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try and raise your quality settings @prime spear

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:12 PM

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i did

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:12 PM

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just for testing purposes

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:12 PM

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and i just got worse fps

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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then we need more details about your system

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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RTX 2060 Super

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Another issue will be the resolution also. This will limit your usage also

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Ryzen 5 2600x at 4.0 ghz

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16gb ddr4 3200mhz ram

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asrock b450m-hdv

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650 watt powersupply

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btw

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Fortnite is fine i get 165hz/frames jst fine

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same with csgo

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but all the otehr games have horrible fps

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like rainbow

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destiny 2

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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when you say 4.0ghz, what do you mean with that?

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because that cpu should be turboing above that

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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What FPS are you getting in siege

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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i jsut turned on XMP for my cpui

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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XMP is for ram.

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Wanna post a userbenchmark for us?

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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99s9ur9e99

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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And xmp is used for intel

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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sure

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lemme load into rainbow real quick

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Some Uefis call it XMP on AMD boards.

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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yea

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it was called XMP in the UEFI

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so i jsut called it that

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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True I usually see the other

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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and i turned it on

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Never checked after the first few

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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and it instantly boosted to 4

subtle halo Jan 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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@tame arrow your really hate your gpu huh hahha

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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@prime spear we are missing context for your statements

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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im kinda confused now

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i just ran the benchmark in rainbow

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and i get 200+fps

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but when im in game

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i get less than 165

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 9:20 PM

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i'm dealing with some DDR4-2400 i had laying around for now

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i can't keep up with the infinity fabric ;_;

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:20 PM

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welcome to your first lesson on synthetic and realworld benchmarks @prime spear

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Run through a few rounds and just get a rough real world number

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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did benchmark twice

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start was 211 and 213

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entrance was 196 and 19899

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198

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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That isn’t what we need run a few rounds of game and see what your cpu usage per core was, you usage, and frame rate

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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pool room was 101 and 103

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Not bench mark but like causal

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:23 PM

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how do i do that

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do i just use task manager?

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this is my first time purchasing a big graphics card or a good one anyways

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so sorry if i seem bad about all thise

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Open task manager. And use that for now. And just give me roughy numbers about how much your cores are getting

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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how can i see each individual core?

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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right click the usage graph, select "change graph to" and select "logical processors"

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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ty

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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np

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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@polar holly

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its going between 30% and 80% usage

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at 4ghz

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in high graphic situations

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:28 PM

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not going beyond 4ghz?

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:28 PM

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no

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:29 PM

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what cooler are you using?

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:29 PM

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stock

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buying a water cooler whenever i have extra money

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but atm stock is fine with me

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:30 PM

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you saw what i said above about synthethic and realworld benchmarks ?

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:30 PM

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yea

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not sure what that means

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:30 PM

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the benchmark run is a synthethic = fixed amount of things will show up. meaning, it is repeatable and you will get very close to the same score

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meaning, it can be used to compare.

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however.

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it is not comparing your realworld performance score

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:31 PM

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is the first two threads runnin maxed out they should be higher usage than the rest

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:31 PM

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yea

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first thread is way up there

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:32 PM

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does that make sense?

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:32 PM

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one below it is relativally close

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and yes that makes sense Naed

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:32 PM

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are they sitting full usage at all times

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:32 PM

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no

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never seen them go to full usage

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:32 PM

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good, so with that in mind, the number you have been comparing is most likely the synthetic number vs the realworld. Which is like comparing apples to oranges

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:32 PM

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is that bad?

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yes Naed i understand now

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:33 PM

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kk :)

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:33 PM

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which means numbers can be higher

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and lower at differnt points

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:33 PM

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aye, in the synth

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synth will normally always be higher

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:33 PM

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well thats understandable lol

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:33 PM

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aye aye

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:33 PM

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i wanna know what the other guy was talking about

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like if my first 2 threads were sitting at 100%

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cause there not and idk if thats a good thing or not

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 9:34 PM

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IF they were maxed, you would potentially be limited on the CPU side of things (this gets complicated fairly fast, so just nod and say yes)

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:35 PM

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sorry am playing siege no its good that they arent

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:36 PM

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ok good

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:36 PM

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i am trying to use my closest system to see what fps i was getting

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:37 PM

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ok lol

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so ig i just dont get 165 a loit of the times ig

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ik get 144 atleast

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and fortnite i get way over 165

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so ig were chilling lol

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:38 PM

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using ultra and all the hd texture packs on a 3800x and 2070 super i get around 190fps

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averaged over a full casual game

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:38 PM

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nice

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i figure i wont get as much but i get what i wanted for fortnite

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on my 960 i stutered alot on fortnite trying to get 165hz/fps

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now its ez

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 9:40 PM

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thats good. for many when i was playing siege alot more and was doing challenger legue most if not all played high setting. for more consistant frame timings

prime spear Jan 4, 2020, 9:41 PM

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nice

sharp plaza Jan 4, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Does

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📎 image0.jpg

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These fit in b450m steel legend

muted patio Jan 4, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Those are out of a laptop?

sharp plaza Jan 4, 2020, 10:18 PM

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No

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Those seem full size but very tall, considering perspective

sharp plaza Jan 4, 2020, 10:19 PM

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They small

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 10:19 PM

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those are SO-DIMMs

sharp plaza Jan 4, 2020, 10:19 PM

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📎 image0.jpg

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📎 image0.jpg

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 10:19 PM

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it is laptop memory

muted patio Jan 4, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Yeah, those are SODIMMS

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Says laptops right on the box

sharp plaza Jan 4, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Ohhh so you can’t put it in b450m steel legend

muted patio Jan 4, 2020, 10:20 PM

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No

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laptop only

dry tinsel Jan 4, 2020, 10:20 PM

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you can't put it in any desktop except some extremely rare mini ITX boards

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i personally think those are pretty cool

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 10:46 PM

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I also believe there is sodimm to full dimm adapters but they aren’t very good at keeping full speed or cas

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 10:49 PM

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they exist, but not as something you want to use @polar holly

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Never I have them for testing sodimm for selling

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They are easier to use than a laptop for testing large batches

foggy hazel Jan 4, 2020, 10:54 PM

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correct

polar holly Jan 4, 2020, 10:55 PM

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I never realize how much obscure tech I have now

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I need to find it and sell it all

mossy citrus Jan 4, 2020, 10:58 PM

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i need a $550-750 pc

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V7sX27

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im new to building computers is this good?

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any recommendations?

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im trying to make it as cheap as possible

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but good

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:12 PM

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The 860 evo is pretty overpriced. You can get 500gb SSDs for $20 less. (if proportionally the same as my currency).

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If you can get a different brand on HDD than seagate for a similar price for 1tb that would be great, seagate are pretty much the worst named drive manufacturer.

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Your CPU is massively overkill compared to your graphics card, you could definitely afford to downgrade to like a 2600 or 2700 and you wont notice a performance difference in games, giving you the extra budget to upgrade that GPU to a 1660 Super.

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The 2700 new can be found much cheaper than the 3600x these days and its really not a bad CPU at ALL.

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Im also curious about your choice to go with that cooler to overclock. The stock one with the 2700 or even the 3600x is enough to cool it at stock speeds, but you've gone overkill CPU wise for the GPU you've picked if you just plan on gaming already

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Id also get one of the more mainstream B450s like the tomahawk or one of the MSI B450-Max boards.

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Depending on whether you want to save money on having the changes above, or have the changes above and spend the money to perform better elsewhere, Id also consider at least 3200mhz ram, I know you can get 16gb Cl15/16 3200mhz ram for $60 for sure.

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I know nothing about that case @crude silo

rocky dirge Jan 4, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Sodimm to dimm adapters are fine for ddr3, but the cost of good ddr4 adapters (ones with logic on em) are close to the price of just buying new RAM (plus they take a long time to shop from China)

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Ewww adapters

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:23 PM

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thanks nomad! i appreciate it im gonna edit the build

rocky dirge Jan 4, 2020, 11:25 PM

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@eager chasm you mean you don't connect your GPU via USB?

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I just died a little on the inside

tame arrow Jan 4, 2020, 11:27 PM

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@subtle halo yea that gpu ffs its fart noise

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:27 PM

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But I do use my keyboard in a PS/2 port StaffNurSmug

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Is PS/2s interrupt usage of CPUs by the device or by the port?

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It's port, right?

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I feel like I'm going crazy.

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:30 PM

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It is

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And yes

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My keyboard has speed settings that only are useable when plugging it into PS/2

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 11:32 PM

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n-key rollover?

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Yep

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:32 PM

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@tight bluff for the cooler what woudl you recommend? it gets pretty hot in my room during summers so i thought it would be necissary to have a better cooler

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 11:32 PM

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I'd prefer ps/2 as well as long as its implemented well, not some clunky tacked on controller

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:32 PM

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What CPU are you going for?

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:33 PM

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the 2700

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amd risen

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:33 PM

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There shouldn't be a problem with the wraith spire it comes with, to be fair.

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Unless you're overclocking it which I really don't think you will be, at least by much.

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:33 PM

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no i wont be lol

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so should i even get a cpu cooler

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Nope.

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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oh cool

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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If you want silence and don't mind the bulk, clunky look, a $50 air tower goes a long way. But I wouldn't get it for performance alone if you'd rather keep the $50

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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i mean i could just get like the 30 dollar one everyone gets just to be safe right?

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:36 PM

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A 30 dollar air cooler would be worse than the wraith spire that the 2700 comes with.

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:36 PM

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@celest horizon yea my keyboard came with a USB to PS/2 adapter, but it actually can change the "polling" speed when plugged into PS/2 It says polling but it really means it's changing it's interupt speed

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 11:36 PM

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iirc the 2700 comes with the wraith spire, you could always clip that on, give it a try and decide

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You have to remove the pre-installed frame to mount most 3rd party coolers iirc - any of you guys know?

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:36 PM

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AIOs are not the best coolers. They are technically water cooling but a far stretch from custom water cooling. Good air coolers are generally always better than AIOs. Especially noctua. Like if you really wanted some OC headroom Id suggest something like a Noctua U14S, but if you arent then the wraith spire WILL be perfectly fine.

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@celest horizon Depends entirely on the mounting hardware the 3rd party cooler comes with for AM4.

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:38 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GwF8HB

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ok, hows it look now?

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Something you could do if you wanted a bit more cheap assurance is to buy some Arctic MX-4 thermal paste, and when you get the cooler remove the paste it comes with using some isopropyl alcohol, and then use some Mx-4 to repaste it.

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 11:39 PM

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I'd recommend grabbing some $5 tube of mx-4 as well - just to have on hand

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:39 PM

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@crude silo Id still up the ram a tiny bit

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Pretty sure some guy in homelab discord said he toothpasted a chip earlier, troll or not - you get the idea

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:40 PM

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G.Skill I believe have the Aegis 16GB (2x8 kit) in 3200mhz CL16 which will help with a ryzen CPU.

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For the same price as that 3000mhz ram

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:41 PM

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I bought some TG Kryonaut on sale, good stuff

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Id personally go for the Ripjaws V 3200mhz CL16 ram Im seeing for a tiny bit more but if you're avoiding price it's fine to go for the aegis

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 11:41 PM

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If you want rev.E <$60 is great https://www.amazon.com/Ballistix-PC4-25600-288-Pin-Gaming-Memory/dp/B07MNJTHF1

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:42 PM

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yeah for sure, i put that in

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:42 PM

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I am not the best at PSUs, EVGA has great RMA in case that PSU has problems though so if it works for you, I wouldn't worry about it, if it is flakey, easy returns.

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:43 PM

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The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. When the M.2 slot is populated, two SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports are disabled.

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is this something to worry about

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in compatibility

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Nope.

celest horizon Jan 4, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Get the 2700 fro mnewegg, use code EMCDGDF22

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:43 PM

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cool

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got any case recommendations?

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:44 PM

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That's normal for M.2 ports disabling some sata

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Phanteks p400a that kind of thing

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IIRC the msi b450 tomahawk has 6 sata ports, you essentially use one per data drive, so the m.2 taking over two, you still have 4 left over. And you're only using one for one drive so loads free.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u8rGgYrRZY

YouTube

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This might be a good place to look.

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Not really anyone here has had many cases and tried them out for a long time on their own, nor the ability to easily compare theirs to many others. Your best bet is to look at reviews after searching up "Good PC cases" etc

crude silo Jan 4, 2020, 11:46 PM

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will do, thanks for the help, i appreciate it

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:46 PM

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No problem.

tranquil dust Jan 4, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Rate my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VFq4gJ

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:47 PM

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You're better asking whilst its quiet, when 10 people are talking you'll get at least 3 randomly disagreeing

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6/10 @tranquil dust

smoky talon Jan 4, 2020, 11:47 PM

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my build is garbo

tranquil dust Jan 4, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Do you think it can handle apex and streaming?

smoky talon Jan 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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It should

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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@tranquil dust I do suggest a better case with better ventilation

tranquil dust Jan 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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He doesn’t want the price to go up anymore so I’ll have to go with what I have

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Heard bad things about the A400 specifically, 1660 is a bit pointless with the super on the market, Nzxt case is literally a meme here, official windows license is... yeah. Too expensive. You're liquid cooling a CPU that cant really be overclocked (you can increase the base clock but you'll see some INSANE instability issues to get any real speed improvement)

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AIO cooling* Rather

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Seagate are also the least reliable drives on the market

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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There are better cases in that price range

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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I mean, the PSU is good and the ram is fine? I guess.

tranquil dust Jan 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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What would you recommend

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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At that budget, an AMD system

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I hate to be a broken record but a 2700 is cheaper than that, more cores, higher base and boost clock, comes with a stock cooler thats more than enough to cope with it, motherboard is a bit cheaper

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Would keep the same ram to be far

tranquil dust Jan 4, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Ok

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Ive been against it but I messaged Mike about it and he doesnt care, dont buy windows officially just buy a $5 dollar key for it on ebay.

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With the money you save on removing the cooler, slightly cheaper CPU and mobo, and reducing the windows cost, you should be able to get a 1660 TI, and upgrade the drives to better brands. Possibly a 500gb SSD (not an A400) and a WD Blue HDD

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For the case, ask these guys, I am not a case guy

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I gotta go to sleep, goodnight

eager chasm Jan 4, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Almost anything with a mesh front will be far better

tight bluff Jan 4, 2020, 11:54 PM

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I got ahold of one of these badboys and never been happier

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http://www.solleron.com.tw/product_sr628b.php

SOLLERON Corporation

coolermaster

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Goodnight all

little osprey Jan 4, 2020, 11:59 PM

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what ram is best for this motherboard https://www.newegg.com/asrock-x570-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157884?Item=N82E16813157884

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:02 AM

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i need a 550-700 dollar pc

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can nayone help

tranquil dust Jan 5, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Goodnight @tight bluff

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I can later if you want to dm me

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@mossy citrus

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:07 AM

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?

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yea?

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@tranquil dust

tranquil dust Jan 5, 2020, 12:11 AM

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You can dm me later

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If you need a parts list

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:11 AM

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just do here

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@muted patio got a 700$build?

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or a good prebuild 750+

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 12:14 AM

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I can help you with it if you need

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What are your plans for

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It and what do you do normally

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@mossy citrus

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:25 AM

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gaming, school, streaming occasionally

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basic internet

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 12:26 AM

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would you be upgrading this system soon or going to stay at around 700 max for the build as a whole

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:28 AM

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stay at 100 then upgrade in a few yeas

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years*

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or a 750+ pc

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prebuilt

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 12:35 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wqF8HB

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look that over and tell me if it what you want or what you want to look into chaing

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:36 AM

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hold on i just did this

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is this gud?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

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oops

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dyz7CL

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there

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 12:38 AM

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bad psu, psu, overpriced mobo imo, very week gpu compartivlety

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:38 AM

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imsticking with the mobo

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 12:39 AM

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ok it will limit alot of your working budget

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:40 AM

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tbh the psu has better certification and is semi modular

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 12:40 AM

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that isnt what i am saying its reliabilty

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:41 AM

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actually ill change mobo

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:41 AM

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@mossy citrus if you need wifi, get a board that has wifi

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:41 AM

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yea

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should i ditch cooler

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:42 AM

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if not oc'ing? yes

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and if OC'ing, get something else imo

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:43 AM

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ok

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is there better gpu for the price

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like a nvidia

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:46 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CVBhP6/zotac-geforce-gtx-1650-super-4-gb-twin-fan-video-card-zt-t16510f-10l

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and here is a board

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/43BTwP/gigabyte-b450-aorus-pro-wifi-rev-10-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-aorus-pro-wifi-rev-10

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:47 AM

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should i get a rx 5500 for the price?

round flare Jan 5, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Nooooo

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Those are priced terribly

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:49 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V3mxFT/a-data-ultimate-su800-512gb-25-solid-state-drive-asu800ss-512gt-c

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this?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:50 AM

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what is the absolute limit for budget?

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:50 AM

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750

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:50 AM

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hm

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:50 AM

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ish

round flare Jan 5, 2020, 12:50 AM

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for that satas price you can get that mushkin drive or whatever it's called

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:51 AM

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im looking for ssd

round flare Jan 5, 2020, 12:51 AM

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yeah

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that's an nvme

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:51 AM

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ok

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:51 AM

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let me try a couple of things Infinity.

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:52 AM

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foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:52 AM

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@cursive wharf got a sec for a psu in the 450-550 range, preferably below 90usd?

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:52 AM

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0_0

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 12:54 AM

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https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/ here is a decent guide not perfect

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foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:55 AM

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@mossy citrus https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XQrrcq

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try and have a look at that

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just sneaking in under the 750 mark

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 12:56 AM

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that case only comes with one fan installed i believe

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you may want a intake and exhaust generally

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:57 AM

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the case is still up for debate, it is his original choice.

mossy citrus Jan 5, 2020, 12:57 AM

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yea

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thx!!

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 12:57 AM

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i am aware just making sure everyone knows

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:57 AM

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kk :)

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infinity, yes the cpu is different (imo, better longevity with that model) and a much more beefy gpu

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 12:58 AM

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i also am not 100% most hp nvme is usually locked to their systems dont qoute but do check

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 12:59 AM

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dont normally have a problem with them, but yes, do check with that board

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the "simple" solution to the nvme question is paying 20usd more and getting a sabrent rocket (80 vs 60usd)

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 1:01 AM

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usually what i do i try and stay away from corporate ones like that.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 1:01 AM

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in a lot of cases, they are "corporate" because they got made in a BIG batch on behalf of the corp in question.

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and deployed for that corp with special firmware that is tweaked for their usecase, but that is done at their end (so after they have received it)

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 1:02 AM

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lenovo i know is locked to their systems, we had to buy a bunch for them because the system will only work with that one drive. and the drive only to that system.

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its hardware is pinned different

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 1:02 AM

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yes, but that is direct from lenovo

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 1:03 AM

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its also the case with many ram chips that do the same

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 1:03 AM

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lenovo are "collection of not friendly words" about their stuff

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and that is the most polite thing i can think of about them

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 1:04 AM

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one hundered percent hate them but getting paid to fix and refurb them we have to

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 1:04 AM

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aye, i know that all too well

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Yeah but my company has a new highend department and i got to head it so i finally only have to work on things that arent lenovo

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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:)

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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we just got a box of used cpus that a company got rid of the worst one was a 7700k. i am so happy to test them all

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Is a white/black build bad?

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Like on parts

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 1:31 AM

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its more expensive in general to theme a pc but colors dont effect parts just quality does

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 1:35 AM

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B450M Motar Titanum vs B450 Steel Legend?

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 1:40 AM

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imo steel legend is more solid

latent bronze Jan 5, 2020, 1:43 AM

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steel more solid than titanium 🤔

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 1:50 AM

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personal opion based on the ones i have had.

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may have just got a bad luck on it

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Anyone got a good psu under 75 usd?

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T force delta 2x8 3000 or Team Elite Delta 2x8 3200

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 1:55 AM

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https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/

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the models and look for a psu that is in b+ or higher

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Its hard

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To find

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Cooler master masterwatt

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Its in my budget

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T force delta 2x8 3000 or Team Elite Delta 2x8 3200

dry tinsel Jan 5, 2020, 2:12 AM

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I'm moving a partition and it's taking eight hours

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But I must do it

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 2:13 AM

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T force delta 2x8 3000 or Team Elite Delta 2x8 3200

dry tinsel Jan 5, 2020, 2:24 AM

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3200

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Is a coolermast masterwatt good?

static halo Jan 5, 2020, 2:37 AM

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latent bronze Jan 5, 2020, 2:57 AM

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@static halo Would of been cheaper to get a 1650 Super 😛

vivid atlas Jan 5, 2020, 2:57 AM

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@jaunty karma https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/

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Tier B

rose mauve Jan 5, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Is SLI stupid

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I was thinking of using 2 1080s over a 2070

limpid merlin Jan 5, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Just get a used 1080ti

fresh summit Jan 5, 2020, 3:07 AM

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What do you guys think of my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

latent bronze Jan 5, 2020, 3:07 AM

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SLI is pointless unless you just want high scores in 3DMark

next merlin Jan 5, 2020, 3:08 AM

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So yesterday my first build didnt post. I took it out the case, reconnected everything and suddenly everything worked. Problem is, though, in the process of taking it out the case I ripped the thing that holds the graphics card in place (the black thing). Is there anyway to fix it? If not can I use the warranty to have it repaired? Should I just use PCIE 2.0 x 16?

fluid crystal Jan 5, 2020, 3:09 AM

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@fresh summit the list comes up blank

fresh summit Jan 5, 2020, 3:09 AM

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oh

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umm

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Nah, that's a good link. Just clicked it

fresh summit Jan 5, 2020, 3:09 AM

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ok

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i dont know if i wanna go intel or amd im having a hard time

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trying to put together the pros and cons

next merlin Jan 5, 2020, 3:11 AM

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So yesterday my first build didnt post. I took it out the case, reconnected everything and suddenly everything worked. Problem is, though, in the process of taking it out the case I ripped the thing that holds the graphics card in place (the black thing). Is there anyway to fix it? If not can I use the warranty to have it repaired? Should I just use PCIE 2.0 x 16?

limpid merlin Jan 5, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Whats ur budget?

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@fresh summit

fresh summit Jan 5, 2020, 3:11 AM

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around like 1000-1200

limpid merlin Jan 5, 2020, 3:11 AM

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I'd say amd

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 3:11 AM

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AMD is a better option nearly everywhere, but Intel has a few used gems if your on a low budget

fresh summit Jan 5, 2020, 3:11 AM

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ok

latent bronze Jan 5, 2020, 3:11 AM

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@fresh summit if you're trying to show your list you have to show this link https://i.gyazo.com/7a65d8a9c92c9e22491e641064b2a479.png

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@muted patio pretty sure you just saw your own parts list instead of his

fresh summit Jan 5, 2020, 3:13 AM

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that link doesnt work for me

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 3:14 AM

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no he is saying post your lists link using the on at the top left of it

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his is a png for an example

fresh summit Jan 5, 2020, 3:14 AM

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ok

limpid merlin Jan 5, 2020, 3:15 AM

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This should work https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WNxs8M

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wait ah

fresh summit Jan 5, 2020, 3:15 AM

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yeah it did

limpid merlin Jan 5, 2020, 3:15 AM

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didnt add cpu cooler

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but you could get away with using the stock cooler unless you plan on overclocking

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 3:16 AM

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That psu is not good

limpid merlin Jan 5, 2020, 3:16 AM

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then replace it with X cpu and resend the link

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 3:16 AM

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or i should say have never heard of it

fresh summit Jan 5, 2020, 3:16 AM

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its 80+ gold rated

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so it cant be too bad

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i also have never heard of it and would not use it but

latent bronze Jan 5, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Pretty sure you could spend about 40$ less for a case just as sexy and air efficient

limpid merlin Jan 5, 2020, 3:18 AM

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yeah, that was just on my list from when I was budgeting for the pc I wanted to build

latent bronze Jan 5, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Something like this case https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VhPgXL/rosewill-spectra-x-atx-mid-tower-case-spectra-x

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In Win is also pretty cheap on the PSU department

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 3:19 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qZXyx6 IMO thats what i would do

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Ram is tighet timings down to 16 from 18. much better psu and a good case

latent bronze Jan 5, 2020, 3:21 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3gJmP6/evga-g5-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g5-0650-x1

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 3:21 AM

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or the 650watt of the same psu for 10 more dollars

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or the one ecks linked

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Mesh fronts 👌

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Yeah

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B+ tier

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Coolermaster masterwatt

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 3:56 AM

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G5 isn't much better than that inwin tho

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@foggy hazel still need the PSU? If so then Hydro GE if you need to save small amount of money or Phanteks AMP which is a bit better but also more costly. Both are modular. Or if you're really budgeting there is the Corsair CX as usual

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Also didn't the TUF 5700xt have bad temps?

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Like real bad?

graceful falcon Jan 5, 2020, 4:05 AM

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For a more affordable 5700 XT I'd definitely be going with a Sapphire Pulse

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 4:05 AM

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No clue never used it. Probably should look into it.

graceful falcon Jan 5, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Red Dragon is a good option too

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Also, swap that SSD for a Sabrent Rocket. Similar price but much faster

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 4:10 AM

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My list was minimal work possible on a phone while out so I changed what was obvious at a glance with no extra searching

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 4:23 AM

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I'm curious to see how those G5's fair in real world use. People seemed to be in hysterics over the active-clamp design, wonder why they built it so.

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 4:23 AM

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How much is the cheapest m.2 ssd!

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?

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And performs good

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What does a m.2 do?

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:27 AM

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m.2 is smol

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 4:28 AM

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@celest horizon

📎 Screenshot_20200104-232825.jpg

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 4:29 AM

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is the entire g5 line on the same platform? Glad to hear aris gives the thumbs up.

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Well the 1000w one seems to have similar issues. Is noisy under high temp operations, poor transient response, vampire power, poor 2% load efficiency (Intel's new low power stuff is changing the ATX spec or something). Only other reviewer doesn't test those

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Aris only did 750 and 1000

icy plume Jan 5, 2020, 5:12 AM

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so i'm getting a pc with an rtx 2060S and a ryzen 5 3600, should i upgrade it from 16 gigs to 32 gigs of RAM when it arrives or is it just fine

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 5:13 AM

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16 is fine

icy plume Jan 5, 2020, 5:14 AM

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my current desktop has 8 gigs of ram, 1660ti, i5 9400F, should i upgrade it to 16 tho

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 5:17 AM

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If you're getting rid of the current one, I wouldn't do anything to it

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?

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 5:23 AM

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What are all ryzen boards

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B450 a320 is that all?

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 5:25 AM

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B350, B450, x370, x470, x570. A320 isn't really worth the money

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Then im all set

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Now to wait 3 months

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:37 AM

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hello dear friends I hope now to extort information from! I need to know if any of you could find some pc parts for me

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 6:26 AM

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I can

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If u want

safe field Jan 5, 2020, 7:55 AM

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How picky should one be on broken/missing fans on a RX 570?

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Currently only planning on a 3200G stock cooler and the fan in this case: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811853071

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 7:58 AM

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HELP

patent steppe Jan 5, 2020, 10:10 AM

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I5 7500 with 1660 s is that a bottle neck

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Tag me when you know the answer

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Any 16gb 3200 ram under 60 bucks

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:03 PM

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I was wondering if someone can help. I think I have a dead motherboard from Newegg. Everything is connected and I'm sure all wires are correct. Go to hit power button no lights no fans no power nothing. Psu passes the paperclip test. Have check other hardware and still nothing is it the board or am I missing something thx for the help

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Pic?

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Whats ur board

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Cpu installed correctly?

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Front panel wires

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Idk this stuff

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Im just guessing

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:05 PM

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@grizzled escarp start with a basic setup: mainboard + ram + cpu

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also, have a go at double checking your wires

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Is the front panel wires installed correctly?

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:07 PM

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📎 IMG_20200104_141303397.jpg

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Ryzen 2600 asrock b450m/ac board 16gb ddr4 ram and yes unless the Grey wires are negative instead of positive on the board for front oanel

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Psu fan facing towards the system is that fine?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:08 PM

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@grizzled escarp why is your psu upside down?

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:08 PM

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📎 IMG_20191215_171153606.jpg 📎 IMG_20191215_171318749.jpg

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Because it's going to be on a wood desk

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 3:09 PM

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I have a wood desk

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Your front panel wires aren’t connected

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:09 PM

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@grizzled escarp that is no reason to turn it upside down.

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Thats why its not turning on

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:10 PM

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and as i said earlier. Go back to a basic setup.

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@jaunty karma as you said yourself "Idk this stuff
Im just guessing"

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Ik

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Ok gn

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Those wires are connected I was trying to show the board better since everything is currently connected

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Oh ok

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:12 PM

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re: front wires: the plus aligns with the plus

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Unless I have the positive and negative upside down I believe I have them right on the board

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Yes but on that board it doesn't say just has Grey and black with a triangle on the Grey wire

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:13 PM

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it does say on the board, look at the text on the board (on the picture you sent)

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Right now the board can't be returned to Newegg have to deal manufacturer for rma. But was trying to triple check before doing so

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Yes on the board but not on the wire

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:14 PM

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because it doesnt matter for the switch itself

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it is "just" a short circuit (edit: spelling)

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Well then they're on but no power

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:16 PM

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and i am going to say this again

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go back to a simpler setup

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and test from there.

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yes, that means you have to disconnect things

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that is the price you pay for not testing it outside the case

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Yes I know this thank you which I have done all ready but I do it again.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:22 PM

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we cannot read your mind

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:23 PM

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If the cpu falls in freely itstalled correctly correct? Since it wouldn't go in any other way

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:23 PM

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yes

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Just double checking

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:23 PM

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feel free to do so

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Meaning that I installed it correctly that the cpu wouldn't be the cause then

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:24 PM

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i am curious about this statement from you:

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"Yes I know this thank you which I have done all ready but I do it again." <- what part is it that you know?

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the cpu could be dead, unlikely, but it happens

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:26 PM

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That i disconnected parts in the pc to check but I guess I need to do it again.

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Like I said I do everything again but was asking before I go thru the hassle of a rma thru asrock

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:27 PM

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the following is IF you want to do what any tech would do:

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disassemble it all.

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:27 PM

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That's what I'm going to have to do

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:27 PM

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then one part at a time, in order of importance, you try and test

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and now you have hopefully learned why technicians assembly OUTSIDE the case

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troubleshooting is so much easier outside a case :)

grizzled escarp Jan 5, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Yes because building a pc is a pain in the behind

half zephyr Jan 5, 2020, 3:29 PM

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What’s up bois

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 3:30 PM

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i will have to disagree with that @grizzled escarp

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it is knowledge that can be had if you dedicate some time to it :)

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and yes, i get that you are frustrated/annoyed at your machine not working. However, that mindset will just make you miserable

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and make you more likely to not see obvious mistakes

sudden turret Jan 5, 2020, 4:17 PM

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it's not hard at all..

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if you have the slightest bit of common sense, and watch a few how-to videos... it's rather simple. 🙂

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:21 PM

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you fall out the wrong side of the box today @sudden turret ? ( sorry, not sorry :P )

sudden turret Jan 5, 2020, 4:22 PM

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whatcha mean :p

little osprey Jan 5, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I bought a pre built then regretted it and since upgraded al lot of the parts and i got a new case a couple days ago and it was an extreme pain to build it since it was my first time i ran into so many random issues

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Depending on the issue it certainly can be annoying. 5700XT has some fun times with either being defective or bad drivers

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:23 PM

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well, you are so square that it is hard to tell what side you tilted to @sudden turret

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:P

sudden turret Jan 5, 2020, 4:23 PM

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:tilted:

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REEEEEEEEEEE

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there I added a smiley to it.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:24 PM

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:)

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:44 PM

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oye I have a pc part picker list, could sombody look over it and make sure I am getting the cheapest parts?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ffzfmg

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 4:44 PM

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whats the planned use of it

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:45 PM

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so I am planning on using it for cad.

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(its a workstation)

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 4:46 PM

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do you have a case and what is with the quadro that you added

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:46 PM

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lmao why is the motherboard free?

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 4:46 PM

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none of the vendors may be selling it currently

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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no I already got the motherbourd and cpu for 440.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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hm

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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oh

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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my total budget is 860

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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so you have 420 left for everything else?

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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yeah pretty much

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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@fossil hedge when you say CAD, what exactly do you mean?

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:48 PM

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well, threadripper doens't use high speed ram, so thats a potential saving point

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:48 PM

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because that is like saying "gaming".

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:48 PM

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computer aided design.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:48 PM

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yes

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:48 PM

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blender? solidworks?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:48 PM

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in what specific applications

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:48 PM

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solid works and fusion 360

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I also render on blender

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:48 PM

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as a hobby?

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 4:48 PM

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so you only have the cpu and mobo. no other parts

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:49 PM

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well as a minor profession, as go into collage.

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:49 PM

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do you need the specific drivers that come with quadros? or do you just need computer power?

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:50 PM

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what? I am pretty sure that I need 2 cards, 1 quadero which is 15 USD and any other card that can run some blender applications.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:50 PM

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no, you dont

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:50 PM

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why you need the quadro?

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and if you needed a quadro, why not just buy a better one to do both jobs?

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:50 PM

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well the quadro looked really good for the price and it absolutely bombed all the other ones that I was looking at for 40 USD, and its 15.

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:50 PM

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how about a used gtx 1070?

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:51 PM

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for a 201?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:51 PM

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@fossil hedge let me ask you something about your part list: What reasoning is there behind each part? (by answering you give us a better understanding of what you think you know)

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:52 PM

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that quadro is 5 years old now, fermi architecture

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the new quadros have tensor cores I think, but that's not related to CAD

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:55 PM

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so, I thought that the ram was somehow beneficial to Ryzen, so I got the one that was the cheapest for 3000 speed at the time, the quadro is midrange for a cad card, and it was 15 USD so I put it on there knowing that my school uses them and that one has served us well for a long time. I wanted to do some video editing as well, as well as 3d rendering, and a normal gpu at that price seemed to outprefrom the others. the power supply although 80+ bronze, was infact 1000 watts which is at 50% utlization with my current build. I can boost it to a 79 USD 80+ gold, but that would not be 1000 watt so I just guessed that the power supply could support upgrades so I kept it at that. the 1920X and motherbourd combo was 440, which is 1 doller more then the cheapest motherbourd and 1920X on sale, so thats why I got that.

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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@fossil hedge high end system with a cheap PSU?

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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well. its 1000 watts.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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@cursive wharf breathe mate :) we will get to that one :)

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Watts and ratings mean little on PSU quality

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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need to figure out what he actually needs first :)

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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fair.

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:58 PM

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@fossil hedge threadripper is quad channel, you might want to invest in 4 sticks of ram

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:58 PM

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re: quadro (and other pro-sumer) cards and gamer cards are two very different beast BUT at their core they are generally the same (yes, there are exceptions, but you are not remotely close in budget to hit those)

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:59 PM

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gtx 1070 would probably be the best bet in this price range, it's got good performance, still relatively new, and ebays flooded with them

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 4:59 PM

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I mean generally only real hardware difference is VRAM and more tensor

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 4:59 PM

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better than any low end quadro anyways

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 4:59 PM

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meaning, you can game on a pro-sumer card and likewise, you can do pro-sumer work on a gamer card

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Drivers can do a fair bit for them pro-sumer stuff

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:00 PM

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it is a 15 doller qudro thats normally 69 USD.

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:00 PM

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but it's fermi

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:00 PM

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the quadro is not worth the 15 usd

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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don't just look at the name, you have to look at the relative performance

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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simple as that.

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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just because its quadro does not mean it is good for modern applications and cad.

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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well it looked all right when people were using it on solid works.

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Used Quadro or titan?

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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from 2014

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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if someone paid YOU to receive it? okay, then you can use it as a door stopper.

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I see you don't like that one very much.

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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do titans have special drivers? @cursive wharf

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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because it is a very old card

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Yes. Not so much as Quadro

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But better than consumer

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I see a titan black for $215 on ebay

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:02 PM

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that would be a nice one for it

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as in, it is something to bookmark and keep in mind.

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:03 PM

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quadros are really expensive, even on ebay, p2000s are going for $300+

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Stuff that this person is doing is only CUDA accelerated? No AMD?

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I believe that is correct.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:04 PM

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yes

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:04 PM

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AMD has a nice lineup. I'm not to knowledgeable tho on jt

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But yeah, if Nvidia only then that limits options

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:08 PM

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@fossil hedge so just to confirm, you have the cpu and mainboard right?

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:11 PM

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I have the motherboard and cpu 1920X, so Yes.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:11 PM

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do you have anything else?

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(please have patience with us, remember, we cannot read your mind, so we have to ask fairly simple questions to make certain we help you to the best of our knowledge)

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:12 PM

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I have a eatx supported, case.

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and yeah I get it my info Is a bit backwards, but I don't know what the case is becuase my freand has not given it to me

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:13 PM

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no worries on that

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but as Hei was talking about, that PSU ....

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wanna take it away hei?

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Any reason for extra 5500xt? If not I'd suggest pushing more money into one GPU

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Higher end Quadro or titan I guess

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I mean I would love a titan. but the cheapest one I could find was well above 201 USD

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 5:15 PM

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and you currently are doing 15+190=205

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Beat me too that

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:15 PM

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gtx1070 is good too

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:15 PM

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~204.99

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 5:15 PM

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lol and he wont be able to keep that due to the increase in psu budget

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Idk if 1070 can beat an old titan tho

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:15 PM

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titan black is about 980 perf

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I mean just lower wattage and increase quality, maybe

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:16 PM

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totaly not over my budget by 775 usd.

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:16 PM

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gtx 980s are comfortably below $200 on ebay

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:17 PM

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980 don't have drivers like titans

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I though you sied it cost 980~ sorry.

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 5:17 PM

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yeah titans and the 20series cards have purpose built drivers

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:17 PM

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but mr. warlord don't got money for a titan

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:17 PM

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shame really.

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:17 PM

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20 series have more special drivers?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:17 PM

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no

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Also from just the pic that cooler looks kinda small for the price

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:18 PM

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the cooler is fine Hei

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:18 PM

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But is it overpriced?

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 5:18 PM

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sorta they have the studio drivers which is better than others

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:19 PM

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yes/no

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it is a TR cooler done right

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Sure bigger baseplate, but actual cooler size seems like less then mugen 5

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:19 PM

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fryzen lel

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:19 PM

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bigger baseplate is needed, TR is a big chip

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:19 PM

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fryzen's been tested to keep 1950x very cool

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Well it can help yes, tho I wonder for a 12c chip if you can save a bit for the GPU budget

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:20 PM

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I mean the cooler was just recommended to me as a good cooler, its noctua or somthing.

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if I had a cheaper option I can assure I would have chosen it however.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:21 PM

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fair enough, there are options.

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I never looked into temps for coolers on TR that much, and how big the temp gap was for a decent cooler with a small baseplate compared to the same with a large baseplate

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:22 PM

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problem is they use a "fun" die setup, so it can be at the edge of things

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because yields

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Yeah that's true

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:23 PM

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that ofc gets worse because it is that big a surface etc

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:24 PM

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📎 Threadripper-Feature3-640x353.png

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:24 PM

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etc

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:24 PM

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needs big cooler

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:24 PM

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your cpu does not have active cores in all of that.

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:24 PM

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How would 3 different led colors look in a build? Thinking about painting my cpu cooler and ram blue for intel, my 1050 ti green for nvidia and rx480 red for amd

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Doesn't need a big one. But a big one would certainly help

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:25 PM

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well. I saw what happens when in testing somebody put a normal water cooler on it. it basically overheated under load in 20 seconds and crashed. so I am going to need a 2 fan rad if I plan to buy a cheaper water cooler.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:25 PM

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no, you dont

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:26 PM

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That was more than likely the max of the CPU (best first or second gen)

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Which outputs much more heat

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 5:26 PM

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That NOctua cooler is just fine for the TR CPU

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:27 PM

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cool.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:27 PM

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it is Bekora, that is not the problem

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trying to find something cheaper, because budget

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Oh we know, but we are looking for saving money

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Neat, got beat to it again

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:28 PM

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any of you willing to do an ebay search for the artic freezer 33 tr?

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it is stupidly overpriced in retail

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as in, twice the price of the noctua

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:29 PM

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66

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Lol. seems like an okay price to me

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:29 PM

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amazon wants 130usd for it, which is just silly.

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Cheaper + Threadripper = nah. It's a 200W TDP CPU. Needs beefy cooler. That Noctua is about as cheap as it gets

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 5:30 PM

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the arctic tr50 is also at the same price point

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:31 PM

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so, roughly 65-70 usd for a cooler

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that is annoying

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but it is what it is

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what that in mind, i would go for the noctua.

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 5:32 PM

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hey, I will be back in a bit. got to go.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:34 PM

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@cursive wharf 600-750 watt range, what have you got in your pocket?

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Quick search through with what I know from the PSUs certainly don't look to amazing. Probs have to start looking a bit into reviews on the ones I don't 100% know now as I'm considering the non modular ones

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:37 PM

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non modular is the way to go (if we want this to work) (edit: missing N)

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Was hoping prices could stay like $70, but idk if that can happen

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:38 PM

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problem is the major chunk taken out by main+cpu

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Given that it's like 650w+ PSU I think we should go a bit higher end then basic stuff. Sadly I can't see anything as such other than RM, which is $100.

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So welp

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I mean technically there is CX which should work. But kinda feels iffy for having a high end PC with the lowest end PSU that is good (kind mid end I guess). $70 for 650w CX

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:49 PM

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agreed, i dont like it, but agreed

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it also depends on what "thing" we end up with as a GPU

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because that combo has to go

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that quadro is hot as can be

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some 120watts iirc

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for close to no benefit for him

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Yeah. Unfortunately I have little knowledge in this kind of space

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 5:52 PM

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@rocky dirge what was the ebay pricing on the 1070?

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(ebay gives me local currency "stuff" here, so a bit of a pita to use for this)

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 6:10 PM

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i think the option that he is best served with (for the longer term) is scaling a fair bit down on the gpu side and fixing the rest of it