typing skills
#building-and-recc-chat
foggy hazel
either list your parts in one block, or build it here https://pcpartpicker.com/ and link it
jaunty karma
psu deepcool DE500
SSD Ramsta 120
case Rakk Hunit
monitor NVISON ND100
CASE FANS DARKFLASH
3X DDR11
3X I FORGOT
REDRAGON KEY MOUSE AND HEADSET
thats all
jaunty karma
how about T force??
foggy hazel
you located in india by chance?
jaunty karma
no
gentle bay
Now i only have the monitor, OS, Keyboard and speakers to buy
foggy hazel
give me a moment to dig up some actual info on the ramsta 120 @jaunty karma
foggy hazel
hm, that ramsta ssd looks funky
foggy hazel
if you want an upgrade that you can use further down the line
i would recommend grabbing something like a sabrent m.2 drive
jaunty karma
how much would that be
foggy hazel
70+ usd iirc
jaunty karma
ouf
foggy hazel
you asked for what you should upgrade :)
it is either that or the memory
but let me ask in a different way. The build you linked. has it been bought or are you planning on buying it?
foggy hazel
okay, then memory or ssd is the parts i would upgrade
gentle bay
Invest in a 16gb ram
foggy hazel
@jaunty karma "end of school year" <- does not mean much to me. Not a US resident. So when is that?
jaunty karma
march
gentle bay
thats gonna be a whilllee
foggy hazel
ask again when you have the money @jaunty karma
jaunty karma
oki
gentle bay
Dean
foggy hazel
it is basically useles to recommend stuff now :)
gentle bay
What a good speaker with good bass
foggy hazel
for games?
gentle bay
Music
foggy hazel
studio monitors is my preferred choice
foggy hazel
yes, the kind you find in a sound studio
(i work with a lot of studio technicians)
and that is only for music
and that is very much a personal preference
jaunty karma
i get $20 a week
foggy hazel
@jaunty karma when you have 80 usd, come and ask again. because then you can actively react/purchase something that might be a good deal :)
jaunty karma
gimme some
foggy hazel
for speaker recommendations that are more ... "normal" ... ask in #peripherals-and-displays @gentle bay
jaunty karma
just blew $11 on fans
sacred obsidian
multiple? what fans
jaunty karma
3
fans
darkflash
Darkflash D1
3 of them
or
the MR12
o wait there not the same
yeah Darkflash D1
@sacred obsidian
sacred obsidian
for 11 bucks? nice
jaunty karma
$25 for a good quality case
@sacred obsidian
search up Rakk Hunit
or any Rakk cases
sacred obsidian
i think it looks decent but others may disagree due to airflow at the front
jaunty karma
ok
eager chasm
Looks =/= Airflow 
formal plover
Is it worth it to spend 13 dollars more for ram that is 3600 rather than 3000?
eager chasm
for that price difference, sure
muted patio
The CPU doesn't support more than 3000 mhz. 😉
lime forge
in general though $13 more for 3600 vs 3000 is a hell of a deal
lime forge
with faster speeds comes slower timings
round flare
K but 3600 cl16 still exists
round flare
at that point he won't get much of a performance boost for more money
if at alp
all
lol
round flare
eager chasm
which CPU?
stark meteor
Can anyone knowledgeable pls help me out with my list? Need to make sure everything will work together before ordering.
stark meteor
Ok thanks
eager chasm
not really a fan of that case though, it only has airflow from one side of the front panel
muted patio
Will you be streaming or just gaming?
eager chasm
but it's good enough
muted patio
Ok, good. Also, change the SSD to a Sabrent Rocket 1 TB. It's much faster transfer speeds for the same money
Almost double
stark meteor
Ok thanks alot
muted patio
Ryoku is right about the case too. maybe a Fractal Meshify c? Should be about the same cost
stark meteor
I really like the design, and searched about the airflow
eager chasm
it's decent enough, just not the best on airflow, but for your parts tier it should be ok
foggy hazel
think about it like this, the more un-obstructed airflow you have, the quieter your machine will potentially be.
stark meteor
Apparently with the stock back coolers you can cool enough with "negative pressure" or something like that
muted patio
Eh, no
eager chasm
when my fans come my negative pressure will be amplified massively XD
but I'll also get better flow from my case
muted patio
If you're going to keep that case, get a total of 4 fans. 2 for intake and 2 for exhaust
eager chasm
I tend to prefer cases with at least 3 exhaust fan slots, for future case fan upgrades
even without a 2nd fan on top, the more holes allows for a bit of convection too
anyway, I'm gonna shut off my PC, need to get it ready for the fan swap 🙂
simple sparrow
Hello
mossy citrus
Should i do a sleeper pc build
safe field
What are the cheapest reliable 450W and 550W PSUs out there?
strange mango
Wonder if someone could take a gander at this build, and point out anything I might have missed.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jKMnGc
muted patio
Sabrent Rocket 1 TB NVME. $5 more and twice the speed
I'd also go Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B for the cooler instead of the Slim
If you want to stick with Dark Rock get the Dark Rock 4 I think it is
strange mango
Think it would be beneficial to add a second exhaust fan to the top of the case?
foggy hazel
the two that come pre-installed are plenty
personally i would perhaps skip on the 2 extra fans and go for the silent base 601 instead
muted patio
Well, you've got two extras on the list
strange mango
I only see one extra fan.
foggy hazel
it got me too Bekora :)
muted patio
SO, one in one out or two in two out
strange mango
So position the front to blow over the GPU perhaps?
muted patio
Yeah and move the back fan to the top. heat rises
strange mango
Gotcha. Thank you.
tranquil dust
Imma build an intel system for my little brothers friend lol
mossy citrus
@muted patio should i do a dell inspiron sleeper pc
muted patio
Sure, why not? Media PC
mossy citrus
And ram
muted patio
Only issue I can see is small PSU. Most of those are pretty minimal
mossy citrus
Imma upgrade
Just the gpu and psu
Maybe storage if i have enough
1tb hdd 128 gb ssd nvme, core i5 9400, 230w psu, 12gb ram
Anyone have a 400$ gpu or lower
As a reccomendation fr these specs
strange mango
What would be the advantage of the silent base 601 over the pure base 500?
foggy hazel
@strange mango just a nicer case overall and more silent
strange mango
The orange trim is quite fetching.
eager chasm
you can't be too choosy about your PSU, your PSU is ultimately determined by what other parts you have and you don't want to under pay for it
strange mango
ASRock Steel Legend, or Asus TUF Gaming?
narrow ether
I need help
I got the h510i smart device
But I don't know how to connect aer rgb 2 fans
To the led channel
fiery depot
manic nymph
google lol
i mean you can try newegg, amazon, pcpartpicker or whatever you want
but chances are you wont find the parts you want in the colors you want so your best bet is to buy the parts you want to use and a can of spray paint. just dont go spraying your mobo or cpu lol. only the plastic parts
manic nymph
hmm... could be interesting if it wasnt covered up by a cooler lol
eager chasm
@fiery depot if you get a 3700X the prism is the best stock cooler with amazing RGB
Other than that Adressable fans, LED strips, and MoBo with RGB all help with a color themed build
.
jaunty karma
have you seen the water cooled gpu?
jovial night
muted dawn
anyone know if this monitors stand is tiltable? https://www.umart.com.au/LG-22in-FHD-75Hz-FreeSync-Monitor--22MK400H_47267G.html
rapid ridge
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hT4DzN what do ya'll think of this build
rapid ridge
in all honesty motherboards are the component I know the least about. Would a z370 be better for the price?
viral ore
Well, are you planning on overclocking a ton?
Like, a motherboard is a motherboard
They all work
rapid ridge
I do plan on OC'ing my chip and graphics card, yeah.
celest horizon
z370 board relative vrm temp/load chart data.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=99745
very rough z390 vrm tier list
https://www.overclock.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=250662&d=1548963030
All the data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IY6W6YhyjnzSvi8BqEqiK1xykSiTDF2Lt1FO8cNhI6I/edit?usp=sharing
viral ore
Are you trying to push the limits of the chip, or just go up a few MHz?
rapid ridge
Mostly just go up a bit.
celest horizon
It's not so much that z370 might be junk - but z390 deals are likely abundant. I say weight choice on preference for features/aesthetics, known compatibility for use case.
rapid ridge
That's fair - thank you
celest horizon
Now - z370 aorus - that's junk, but they 100% turned their game around and knocked it out of the park on z390
rapid ridge
My mom works for intel (that's why I can get the chip for 130) so I might be able to snag a mobo+cpu combo for a pretty good price from their employee website.
celest horizon
Funny coincidence, I was shopping around for a z390 board myself an hour ago haha
jaunty karma
@jovial night Rakk Hunit
lime forge
what specs do you have currently
jaunty karma
ryzen 5 2600
a320m s2hv2
asrock phamtom gaming rx570 4g
samsung 8gb 2600mhz
500gb western digital
ramsta ssd 120gb
lime forge
get urself 16gbs of ram
jaunty karma
deep cool DE500
round flare
what's your budget for upgrades
jaunty karma
250
graceful falcon
What goals do you have? What (if any) bottlenecks are you experiencing?
RAM is a good idea
dry tinsel
also just replace all the RAM with DDR4-3000 or higher to be in line with the infinity fabric on the CPU
2933 is the IF speed on 2nd gen ryzens
technically you could find 2933 but why would you, it's an odd speed and might cost more
narrow ether
I can't get my 32gb 3200mhz to work with my Asus tuf x570 plus WiFi and ryzen 7 2700x
When I set docp it won't boot
Please help
rocky dirge
Just carress the ram gently
Give em a nice massage, it'll help ease the stress of running at a high freq
I have no experience with ryzen so
Why are you typing for so long?
tame arrow
Ok i have a prebuilt machine done by Leader Computers (Australian company). My father bought it back in 2008 or 2009. It was an i7 variant (idk which one altho i think its a i7-960). Idk how much RAM (pretty sure 4GB or more) and it was using a MSI X58M mATX. Idk what GPU it is...but its like a GT1030 (it looks like one but its way older i guarantee that). All of a sudden, my father went to open it and vacuum-clean it a bit. Anyway, after that day, for some reason....it stopped working
It never posted or anything
rocky dirge
That was a lot of typing
tame arrow
Its been a few months since i tried getting it working...but i did this trick with a pin for the power supply to get it started again
Its one of those mass-produced PSU's
rocky dirge
But no post
rocky dirge
Fanspin on CPU cooler and GPU?
sacred obsidian
mightve knocked something loose or somehow killed the psu?
tame arrow
Yep, all fans blow
rocky dirge
Mobo light?
rocky dirge
Well, that narrows done quite a lot
tame arrow
The 5 lights r on and the light from the power button lights up as well
And i mean the mobo power button
And mobo lights duh
rocky dirge
could be GPU with no display, could be corrupt bios (unlikely)
Bad ram would give beeps
tame arrow
Yea but everytime the thing actually turned on u could here the BIOS beeps
sacred obsidian
i would start by taking things apart and reseating them carefully and fully. from what you said id assume he knocked something loose
rocky dirge
Try connecting your monitor to your motherboard and use onboard graphics
rocky dirge
Motherboards rarely die from just aging
rocky dirge
There should be video output on the motherboard, idk if it's hdmi
tame arrow
But idk y
Hmm, let me check real quicj
I have the thing out itself
Also i tried looking if maybe somehow one of the LGA1366 socket pons had bent
Couldnt really tell tho
rocky dirge
Did you take the CPU out ever?
rocky dirge
Huh
rocky dirge
Well there's fanspin
rocky dirge
Ye that's a pretty barebones motherboard
tame arrow
The first day wen i did the pin trick with tbe PSU
rocky dirge
Do you smell anything strange from the PSU?
rocky dirge
Or form the computer at all?
still roostBOT
An Australian Bloke#0671 has been warned
tame arrow
I said PSU wtf
sacred obsidian
you could just have a dead psu. it can put out power but not enough to power the system
tame arrow
Well wen the thing was on i could definitely feel heat from the CPU and cooler
Like Lunatic said...its barebones
sacred obsidian
could have also again, just knocked something loose.
tame arrow
But has been working all this time and then one days just says "F u, i need a break."
Hmm
Well we had some ppl look at it
sacred obsidian
since you took the cpu out, you should probably reapply thermal paste to it before trying to power it again
tame arrow
I didnt take the paste off
rocky dirge
Well if thermal paste was the issue, it would boot once, then the CPU would probably fry itself
tame arrow
Its the same paste thats been there 4 ten yrs
rocky dirge
You should replace it
tame arrow
I dont have thermal paste
sacred obsidian
i get that im just saying if he wants it to work at all he should do that while trying to fix it
rocky dirge
But it should only affect temps, not booting up
sacred obsidian
thermal paste is cheap and can be boughten at any pc store, best buy, frys, microcenter, etc.
rocky dirge
Just use toothpaste :)
tame arrow
Well i love in Fiji at this point
sacred obsidian
nooooooooooo
tame arrow
LMAO
rocky dirge
Heh heh heh
tame arrow
Nah ive seen LTT's video
sacred obsidian
lmao
tame arrow
Im not stupid
sacred obsidian
gotta mix it with daimond dust first
tame arrow
XD
rocky dirge
Actually I think toothpaste works pretty well compared to mustard
It just evaporates
sacred obsidian
mustard worked better, just more mess
sacred obsidian
ok so legit what i would do, is carefully take the entire pc apart, check over parts for anything out of the ordinary, and rehook it all up carefully while making sure all connections are fully connected
tame arrow
I dont wanna burn my tongue lol
sacred obsidian
and apply mustard to the cpu
rocky dirge
That's a real mystery, maybe it's unseated ram, GPU, CPU, cooler, power connectors
But no ram would still boot I think
tame arrow
Well...one stick DID burn out
sacred obsidian
no ram would not boot
rocky dirge
Tru
sacred obsidian
how did it burn out
tame arrow
And another thing
rocky dirge
How does the Mobo beep?
sacred obsidian
like did it literally burn?
sacred obsidian
so it does post
rocky dirge
Ram?
tame arrow
Only 1 out of the three wasnt workin
rocky dirge
?
sacred obsidian
okay so uh
tame arrow
Well now ot doesnt beep AT ALL
sacred obsidian
do me a favor
rocky dirge
Oh
tame arrow
So thats how i knew there was a problem
sacred obsidian
take all ram out, take the best looking one, put it in left slot, and try to boot it again
tame arrow
Should i try vacuuming some dust out of the PHU pci/e?
sacred obsidian
iunno just take one
rocky dirge
Just blow into it, should be fine
sacred obsidian
make sure nothing looks broken on the ram
rocky dirge
If you could disassemble the PC and put it together outside the case, that would be best
tame arrow
Yea but tryna find the time of day to do it.
B4 U SAY ONE MORE THING (APPRECIATE THE HELP THO)
rocky dirge
2am
tame arrow
LMAO
rocky dirge
Yea you probably want an hour min to troubleshoot
sacred obsidian
lmao
it sounds rediculous when you say it
but 2am rebuilds are what i LIVE for
rocky dirge
So uh, what's the gotcha?
tame arrow
Okay so the first time i booted it a few months back, the thing turned on, didnt do anything, no beeps, but the DVD would spin, the light would go on....and wen i connected the GPU to the TV thru HDMI...the TV sais there was an OUTPUT.
The next day, i tried turning it on, doing the same thing...but it would turn on for 10 seconds....then turn off for 5 seconds...ans then turn on and repeat the process
sacred obsidian
it aint fun building a pc unless i hate myself in the morning
sounds like ram to me
rocky dirge
I hate when you put the side panel on, doesn't boot, then boots when you take the side panel off
Just tell at it until it learns its lesson
tame arrow
Lmao i got a meeting i gotta go to in half an hr and prob gonna be there for an hr
rocky dirge
Disconnect everything non-essential to booting
tame arrow
Like a hard-drive?
rocky dirge
Just CPU, GPU, 1 ram stick, and PSU
tame arrow
Rite
rocky dirge
And replace that thermal paste
sacred obsidian
yeah dont boot without replacing the thermal paste it can fry your cpu
tame arrow
Ffs bro i dont even have mustard
rocky dirge
Ayyeyhh
sacred obsidian
ketchup then
tame arrow
Ok that i have
sacred obsidian
lmao
tame arrow
Lots actually
rocky dirge
Ketchup and mustard, to match your cables
rocky dirge
It's like rgb, but rl
tame arrow
What can i use
rocky dirge
Ry*
sacred obsidian
no just wait til tomorrow and go pick up a 2-5 dollar tube
rocky dirge
Toothpaste is your best bet honestly if there's no other option
rocky dirge
Fiji rhymes with Kijiji
tame arrow
L
ROFL
rocky dirge
Therefore use kijiji
tame arrow
FIJI RHYMSES WITH LTT
rocky dirge
Fijikijiji
sacred obsidian
you dont have any pc stores?
rocky dirge
Fikiji
tame arrow
Yea Bondwell thats 1+ HR AWAY AND THEY DONT SELL IT EITHER
rocky dirge
Just ask Amazon to do an airdrop
dry tinsel
but no thermal compound
tame arrow
Yep
sacred obsidian
ok go to bondwell, ask to look at a cpu cooler, and scrape off the thermal paste and take it
rocky dirge
Lmaoooo
dry tinsel
it might be that the store's proprietors don't know anything about computers
tame arrow
OH BTW, ITS THE STOCK COOLER THAT COMES WITH THE CPU
rocky dirge
Like what Linus did? Scrape all the TIM off CPUs
tame arrow
idk wat u mean
sacred obsidian
is there a specific reason you want that particular pc to work?
tame arrow
Because i kno whats its capable off
rocky dirge
Yo try aliexpress
tame arrow
Was thinking to try TaoBao actually
rocky dirge
eBay might be worth a shot
dry tinsel
aliexpress is probably more reliable than taobao
tame arrow
Yea prob better chance since i cant understand chinese
rocky dirge
If you're desperate try toothpaste but don't keep the PC on for more than a minute
sacred obsidian
i wouldn't even do that
rocky dirge
Fortunately, you've got a friend who can understand Chinese :)
DENNIS COME OVER HERE!!
tame arrow
XD
rocky dirge
Jk
sacred obsidian
if you wanna salvage as much as possible its prolly best to take it slow and make sure everythings propper
rocky dirge
If you need help with aliexpress/taobao, I'm very good at using Google translate
dry tinsel
using google translate the most effectively requires you to know a bit of the language
rocky dirge
I am fluent in speaking, but reading holy shietttt
dry tinsel
chinese is hard to read
tame arrow
HOW U EVEN LEARN BRO
rocky dirge
Magic
dry tinsel
especially the traditional chinese that taiwan still clings to
rocky dirge
I ate some rice one day and suddenly I just knew
dry tinsel
any taiwanese online shops will be hard
sacred obsidian
you just gotta troubleshoot till you find the problem. try one stick of ram at a time, make sure cpu pins are fine, etc etc
rocky dirge
Funny you should mention that @dry tinsel because I happen to read traditional
tame arrow
Yea about that
dry tinsel
oh okay
sacred obsidian
also since you said you have to fiddle with the gpu with a pin or something
id start by replacing that
tame arrow
I think MAYBE ONE of the pins on the socket
rocky dirge
Simplified looks like a 5 year old tried to draw a bear
tame arrow
Something looks....missing
sacred obsidian
wait its an intel right? so the pins are on the mobo?
rocky dirge
@tame arrow if you need any help reading Chinese, I can help out a bit, even if it's using Google translate
rocky dirge
But sleep compels me rn
tame arrow
And then those little things in the middle of the socket?
rocky dirge
Good luck hope you fix ur pc
sacred obsidian
yeh
round flare
it's not what I wanted
tame arrow
One of them is missing
round flare
but what I needed
tame arrow
Its like its broken off
sacred obsidian
ok so you might have a dead mobo
sacred obsidian
how
tame arrow
TV reads an output of GPU
sacred obsidian
thats fine and dandy but doesnt mean mobos not dead lol
sacred obsidian
not saying it for sure is but if something on mobo is bad it wont work properly
tame arrow
Well wen i get back ill take some pics and prob upload here
sacred obsidian
but again, if your psu doesnt just turn on without any finicking with it
start with that
then test.
sacred obsidian
then id test one ram stick at a time in left slot
tame arrow
Be back in 1 hr
sacred obsidian
if nothing id get a new mobo
alright im going to bed tho
its late here so gnight loll
sacred obsidian
might be able to find it cheaper
but actually at that point id start buying new parts tbh
idk how much parts are in aud tho
but if the psu is dead and the mobo is dead, and youd want to go new stuff, youd be looking at basically buying a whole new pc almost assuming you can salvage the hard drive and case to reuse
but again, without seeing it, the psu is what i can think of that might be causing issues
jaunty karma
so what should i get
muted dawn
these fans good? https://www.umart.com.au/Cooler-Master-120mm-MF120R-Addressable-RGB-Fan-with-Controller---3-Pack_50073G.html just got them for my first build? than im making very soon
still roostBOT
An Australian Bloke#0671 has been warned
tame arrow
Ok help
tame arrow
Ok nvm
@sacred obsidian whenever u read this, pretty sure i figured it out. Was plugging it in to a monitor, turning it on, letting it run....after about 10 mins, it turns itself off. (Also b4 i continue, i did the first run with the two sticks of RAM on the black DIMM's and as soon as id plug the DVI-D cable into the GPU, the monitor would say"Power Saving enabled, and just go dormant, as soon as id unplug it, itd say "Searching for a singal". Even wen it was connected and i turned the pc on, it stayed dormant.)
Then i switched to one stick of RAM. This time the CPU cooler and GPU were warm. Anyway, the second time I turned it on....it lasted 5-7 mins....and the GPU fan decided not to spin unless i actually moved it myself...then it would trod really slow. Then the third time i try and turn it on....and this time with both sticks of RAM. On the third time...only the PSU fan was spinning...and then the CPU cooler fan started spinning...then after 3 mins, the thing shutdown again. (Note: Still no output on the screen, no beeps, nothing, i even plugged in speakers just in case something started and there was audio). So as i was explaining to my father saying, "I think after 11 yrs of the same PSU, its not working as it used to. (What comes next proves my point, also the PC was off for 5 mins at least)
As im explaining all the stuff that just happens for another 5 mins (which means the pc had rest for about 10 mins), (oh btw, im on the floor with the pc rite next to me and also the plug too), there is a MASSIVE "POP" from the plug of the PC.......so uhh, i think i kno what the problem is..PSU has shat itself
Bondwell sells PSU's....that dont seem to have a brand on them...and if they do, i couldnt see it. 750W all the way up to 850W and i think 1000W....so i think wen i go to the city this or next week, im gonna bring in the computer and test a different PSU if they allow me
grave lantern
subtle halo
check if the psu send one of your hardware to hell with it self
mossy citrus
Rtx 2060 super or rx 5700
vivid atlas
warped moat
The 5700xt has more performance for your dollar. 2060s has NVENC so it’s better for streaming
Same with the 5700
tame arrow
@subtle halo will do, hopefully the gpu, cause that thing was sh!t af
Could barely run NFSMW2005 on medium settings.
vestal cove
Should I get the MSI Z390-A pro or the MSI Mpg Z390 gaming plus
jaunty karma
I need help cable managing
sudden turret
get big sleeves.
jaunty karma
What are those
sudden turret
exactly how it sounds.
sudden turret
jaunty karma
What kind of store
sudden turret
google.
austere condor
probably on amazon
jaunty karma
sudden turret
I told you what to search, it's up to you to find it.
austere condor
zip ties?
jaunty karma
Ok
sudden turret
velcro.
jaunty karma
Ok
austere condor
tight bluff
Pixel camera?
tight bluff
Can always tell someone else who decided to buy a phone that actually has a good camera in the pictures alone.
austere condor
XD
tight bluff
Although to be fair 95% of the image quality is down to software
Hence why 13mp cameras perform better than 40
austere condor
and lighting
tight bluff
I found the pixel camera (3a) is actually really good even in my room's abysmal lighting
austere condor
lighting does help a LOT though
tight bluff
Obviously it still matters just less for this camera than others
Only reason I bought the 3a, basic phone functions + Best camera on the market at the time. Pixel 4 didnt get much better just "more"
tight bluff
Yeah its good they all have the same camera almost so a phone for any budget.
I couldn't live without a headphone jack though.
tight bluff
I use wireless earphones 90% of the time too
Also, nice cable management
Makes me glad I have a PSU/bottom shelf shroud too
polar holly
God I need to get back into the build and sell scene.
austere condor
tight bluff
Depends on the case, some cases have almost no room at all in the back
tight bluff
That thing looks like it has more than an inch depth
tight bluff
Ive seen a decent few where theres not enough room for a cable to even freely move after putting the side panel on.
twin condor
my mother board only has 2 fan headers (well 3 if you include the cpu fan header), what is a good splitter to add additional fans (as my case came with 4 fans)
jaunty karma
What front
tight bluff
The inside of the case.
jaunty karma
Where
polar holly
The side you see your components
tight bluff
Today @jaunty karma Learned you dont set your case up so you're just staring at your cable management on the back side panel
twin condor
pretty case, ugly brown motherboard
twin condor
yeah
tight bluff
10/10 assembly, 4/10 on part choices
austere condor
also what looks like an A320 board
jaunty karma
It is an a320 board
twin condor
what kind of ram is that, looks like a piece of cardboard, is that the heatspreader?
tight bluff
Viper steel by the looks of it
jaunty karma
Samsung ram
tight bluff
CPU fan doesnt look like its missing a fan screw so you're still 1 up on the Verge.
austere condor
probably a very buget 1x8 DDR4-2133 stick
jaunty karma
Its a 2666
polar holly
Lol not the verge 2.0
tight bluff
Nah the assembly looks good
jaunty karma
Im getting new things
tight bluff
Just, part choices
twin condor
i couldn't speak for 10 minutes after watching that verge video
austere condor
i would HIGHLY recommend purchasing another stick of memory, or, a whole new kit of memeory
jaunty karma
New psu
polar holly
Ok that’s good make sure you get a much faster set of ram when you do
tight bluff
The verge video gave me the same thing as the reddit BuildaPc and PCPartpicker discords gave me: Elephantitus
polar holly
Make sure you get tight latency also
twin condor
yeah, single channel is so 2005
tight bluff
Quad channel is so... some time.
austere condor
desktop needs to move to 4 channel
tight bluff
Im not even sure about the effect of running 4 sticks in dual channel vs 2 sticks on dual on a 3950X
austere condor
generally, two sticks on dual channel is going to most likely be your best bet
polar holly
It mainly just depends on the amount of ram at that point. But two will be a better bet
twin condor
i can't speak to that, i have 4 sticks in dual channel on a r7 2700, seems fine
tight bluff
Yeah but Im more interested in specifics for when I do decide to up for cheap.
austere condor
depends on the motherboard
jaunty karma
Should i put my specs?
tight bluff
Id imagine there would be a minor performance penalty, using a TUF x570, but Im just curious as to how much.
I still want to have enough ram to run Chrome one day.
twin condor
lol
tight bluff
I heard the 64 core epyc can support 2tb of ram to have multiple chrome tabs open?
tight bluff
I want to build to sell locally because the used parts market at least on ebay are quite decent prices compared to new, but Im still flat broke after buying my new PC.
tight bluff
I am literally broke.
jaunty karma
What should i upgrade
twin condor
@jaunty karma everything
jaunty karma
Im broke
sacred obsidian
Do you got old parts? I built 2 working semi-decent gaming PCs for free lol
jaunty karma
Only have 250
tight bluff
As In Im still paying back my housemate for a small loan lol. I had about £1.8k and needed 2.2.
austere condor
the most immediate upgrade that will actually affect your performance is getting another 1x8GB stick of ram @jaunty karma
tight bluff
I'm not getting nearly as much hours at work now that christmas is over as well.
polar holly
I have been doing it for a long while it’s a lot of fun after you get over the initial investment and then getting profits from it
austere condor
i would then get a modern, new PSU, as yours might be a reliability risk, lol
tight bluff
My address is pretty sketch though.
polar holly
What does that mean
sacred obsidian
Could always sell and meet, not at your home
tight bluff
As in anyone coming to pick up a PC from my address if I sold one would have to assume they're not going to be murdered which is a big ask in my area.
sacred obsidian
Instead find the darkest, sketchiest alleyway to meet up at
tight bluff
Itd be safer to go to the alley
polar holly
I never meet at my place to much risk. I always sell and deliver at a location like a park, or a mall
tight bluff
I could do but nobody locally ever wants you to go to them because everyone scams on my local FB marketplace.
sacred obsidian
I sold from my apartment but was always warey about who I was selling to
twin condor
i use to do that, meet people at a target near my house, they called the cops on me once, for drug dealing
sacred obsidian
And nvr gave out my address until I knew they were for sure buying it
polar holly
Yeah selling in a public location like a mall is hard to scam and hard to have much risk. Also it’s easy since I only do cash deal for them
polar holly
Ohh I talk to mall security so they know nothing sketch is up. And they aren’t to worried.
tight bluff
I once got called a racist for asking for only Scottish banknotes. When 95% of the banknotes in Scotland are Scottish, and EVERY fake is bank of england/ireland.
dry tinsel
pictures help less than links
polar holly
That’s actually pretty overpriced generally for looks.
dry tinsel
it's extremely pretty though
like i don't think i've seen RAM that looks that good in all fairness
polar holly
I have four of them for an all tuf build I have to my brother
Yeah that and dominator ram from Corsair are my favorites. And maybe trident z
dry tinsel
i like the trident royal, tbf nobody seems to like those
polar holly
It looks decent if you build around it
jaunty karma
80 bucks for 2
dry tinsel
they're high quality sticks and the gold look really does it for me
twin condor
i like corsair ram, not all into the rgb stuff now days as my computer sets on a cart below my desk
dry tinsel
i'm not into the RAM stuff either
tight bluff
I think the amount I spend on looks over performance was upgrading my case to something less crap by £18
dry tinsel
er RGB stuff
polar holly
What speed and cas is it galaxy
dry tinsel
i just like living vicariously through those can afford RGB setups
jaunty karma
Cas?
tight bluff
CL(x)
polar holly
Put the link to it
twin condor
the case i just bought, had 3 rgb fans on the front, so it looks like my feet have super powers
jaunty karma
CL 16
polar holly
What speed
dry tinsel
i have a define nano S
jaunty karma
3200
dry tinsel
3200 @ 16 is pretty bloody good but not spectacular
twin condor
corsair iCUE 220T
dry tinsel
as an aside: i get to do my build today with my old mismatched RAM sticks
polar holly
I want to do another build for itx but like I don’t need another computer. I have to many
polar holly
That’s why your best way is to always put links and have a pcpartpivket of your current parts saved
jaunty karma
Asrock b450 steel legend?
I think thats whats its called
Cooler master masterwatt650
twin condor
i had a corsair graphite 230t (rebel orange, loved it) but wanted something that didn't have drive bays as i haven't had a hdd or dvd since like 2008
dry tinsel
@twin condor I keep holding on for HDDs because they keep impressing me with their sheer capacity
dry tinsel
i am likely to get a 12TB sometime as soon as i possibly can
polar holly
Use pcpartpicker. Generally it will make it so others can check links prices and all of that will help others and yourself
dry tinsel
one of the WD UltraStars (yes I know it used to be the Hitachi UltraStar and before that the IBM DeathStar)
twin condor
@dry tinsel i don't game very often, so the ssd sizes are good enough for me, moved most of my files to the cloud (i'm a developer) so real need to have a 10tb hdd lol
tight bluff
You can set region for pcpartpicker
jaunty karma
I mean
polar holly
It’s not for price it’s for the links
jaunty karma
What
dry tinsel
i archive a lot of data
polar holly
Same. I have a mad that’s at 500tbs and I may need to add more. I am a data hoarder
Nas*
twin condor
all of my source code from 15 years of developing, is under 10gb
dry tinsel
500TB, the expensiveness
polar holly
Animation and photography take way to much data. And I need to have it all in case of anything.
twin condor
guess i got lucky choosing a field that its all text 😛
sacred obsidian
What if a hard drive fails tho
dry tinsel
@twin condor and yeah, your specific situation has a low data requirement
polar holly
I replace and add more to it. They are warrantied for 5 years
dry tinsel
also my PC isn't for a job, it's purely for my entertainment and keeping connections with people
twin condor
we do have a NAS in the house, i think it has 6tb of storage
polar holly
That’s a normal amount most don’t need what I have.
sacred obsidian
I started A podcast and I keep it backed up in 3 places lol
Which is good cause I already lost one once
dry tinsel
I have a good friend from SG
polar holly
That’s fine. I would say look at a different psu that isn’t the best for reliability
jaunty karma
But im not from sg
jaunty karma
Cause thats the closest
dry tinsel
oh got you
sacred obsidian
Woah 44$ for shipping a mobo
dry tinsel
would you buy PC parts from there? or are you just doing it because physically close
dry tinsel
oh you mean you have your own online retailer
jaunty karma
Yezz
dry tinsel
i see
twin condor
for a second, i thought these were apple prices
dry tinsel
5,899 PHP seems like it would rock you to the core but it's not terrible pricing is it?
jaunty karma
No
I look at others
Some are more expensive
And bad reviews
So i find cheapest and good reviews
The b450 i daw one with 6,100 php
Saw*
dry tinsel
that's quite a difference
jaunty karma
And most of the time theres sales
twin condor
php, is one of the languages i develop in lol
dry tinsel
@twin condor: Philippine Piso
jaunty karma
Our new egg is easy pc or it world
twin condor
yeah i know, it just thru me for a loop
twin condor
thought i might've been on the wrong discord channel atm
jaunty karma
Our pc mall is gilmore
twin condor
that cat is my spirit animal 🙂
jaunty karma
Mine is a wolf
Our tech shop is pcexpress
I giorno giovanna have a dream to build my own pc
Cause my pc was build by someone else
dry tinsel
jojo... or giogio?
jaunty karma
Idk
dry tinsel
tis a noble dream to build your own PC, it's very satisfying
twin condor
cheaper too
jaunty karma
I did better cable managing that he did
dry tinsel
my cable management is adequate but ugly
jaunty karma
My friend has a good as pc
dry tinsel
there's a reason i got a case with no windows
twin condor
lol
foggy hazel
@twin condor only if you dont value your own time
dry tinsel
i value my time and i consider spending it building a PC to be a valid use case of my time
twin condor
i do value my time, i just find building your own for a few hours of my time, i can get a lot better parts for the same price that dell/hp/etc charge 🙂
foggy hazel
because you have spent time understanding the value etc of the parts
which is time that again, has a cost
jaunty karma
Before after
foggy hazel
etc etc
jaunty karma
RIP corsair keyboard
twin condor
we live in a technological age, i don't believe it is too much to ask to know how to assemble that technology 🙂 (built my first computer back in the early 90's)
dry tinsel
i couldn't afford to back then
twin condor
i saw power supplies the other day being sold at walmart the other day, sorta blew my mind
dry tinsel
really wanted it though
walmart is getting serious about enthusiast computing stuff, and graduallly, slowly building up a tech section
twin condor
cause the accesibility to the parts now days is so easy
foggy hazel
@twin condor yet here we are. on a server that is dedicated to giving advice because people are too lazy to actually read what is in front of them
twin condor
i think technical people are in part to blame for the price of entry tho
making it seem like its harder than it actual ever was
i see it all the time, tech is almost treated like magic or nuclear physics
twin condor
a m.2 ssd
dry tinsel
specifically a high end NVMe SSD
foggy hazel
and as i said, time has a cost. @twin condor. knowing what to do with the parts is not "free".
jaunty karma
Is it expensive?
twin condor
that particular one can be
dry tinsel
it is a more expensive SSD
jaunty karma
My friend has two 2080 something something
dry tinsel
for less you can get a 1TB Sabrent Rocket
twin condor
@foggy hazel give a man a fish, he eats for a day...teach him how to fish, he eats for a life time
tight bluff
Oh thats who you're responding to.
twin condor
i find passing on my knowledge, be it building computers, writing code, or cooking, one of the most gratifying things in life, you must be under 30 @foggy hazel 🙂
tight bluff
I kind of want to see this full conversation
foggy hazel
That was a oddly specific kind of logic there @twin condor
jaunty karma
Henlo
dry tinsel
To me my views on my interactions with other humans aren't very capitalistic so i couldn't care less about time spent helping others with information and learning things that i didn't know before
twin condor
well you said it has a cost, like if you aren't getting paid to teach, then its not worth it
foggy hazel
that is your assumption mate, not what i said.
twin condor
then what did you mean?
jaunty karma
My prend has 2 RTX 2080 Ti
foggy hazel
remember this started with prebuilt machines being more expensive vs building yourself.
jaunty karma
Is that good?
tight bluff
Your friend has too much money.
tight bluff
Is he a drug dealer?
twin condor
yeah, when you buy one, you might find yourself in a situation where it has a proprietary cable or psu, or memory limited dims, prebuilds have a lot of hidden cost as well, so i do believe it is just cheaper to build your own vs buying a prebuilt
jaunty karma
Hes my classmate
foggy hazel
@twin condor as i said previously, the knowledge to "know" how to assemble a machine, and how to pick the parts, is not knowledge you suddenly wake up with.
foggy hazel
it is knowledge that you need to use time to obtain. Which again, has a cost.
tight bluff
Prebuilt is a tricky field, in the UK, there's not a lot of "gaming" prebuilts, or at least sites that do it en masse. PC Specialist is the best example of one that gives you quite a lot of options on every single spec. They basically have a forum that's like this discord where people discuss builds with eachother before ordering.
foggy hazel
that is the "start and end" of the point i was making @twin condor
twin condor
you also pointed out there are chats like this one, there are also countless tech blogs and websites dedicated to it as well
tight bluff
I didn't know there was a case made just for my girlfriend.
foggy hazel
@twin condor and reading those is going to take what ?
jaunty karma
It might be broken already
foggy hazel
i believe time is the word you would like to say
jaunty karma
Me?
twin condor
no there is another one, but i'll bite my tongue
i simply don't look at the world like this, that learning is cost ineffective
foggy hazel
again, not what i am saying.
twin condor
it doesn't take much time to get up to speed on things
foggy hazel
i would recommend that you assume less about the words that you read @twin condor, might make you less prone to throwing random age related semi-insults around too
jaunty karma
What’s happening
twin condor
just in my field when i hear people talk about "their time" as being something worth more than it actual is, they are always kids, under 30
foggy hazel
your field is yours :)
foggy hazel
@jaunty karma you got an answer 24-ish hours ago on that.
latent bronze
@jaunty karma 3200MHz memory not 2400MHz
foggy hazel
if the story today is the same, you still dont have any money for the build right?
and you expect to have the money in roughly 6 months?
latent bronze
AMD feeds off faster and good memory
foggy hazel
giving you advice "now", when you cannot act on it. is useless.
you agreed to this yourself yesterday
dry tinsel
part of doing a new build for me is spending a good long time researching and asking questions before i buy it - this last time I didn't do that and I had problems and a bad build, spending this last month doing some datamining (asking opinions on this or that, reading up) has been really eye-opening
polar holly
That’s always a good thing to do when building
I am just waiting till after ces to see what makes the most sense for my next build
jaunty karma
So build your own pc is a good experience
Im getting a new mobo so i have to transfer
Like everything
dry tinsel
it also (though people get annoyed with this for some reason) is good to ask why someone has an opinion about something because what matters to them might not matter the same to you
jaunty karma
In around 3 months
dry tinsel
for instance, i want an AMD GPU and have no use for nvidia's extra stuff, but a streamer might want NVENC so they can stream without using their entire CPU
dry tinsel
an AMD GPU?
jaunty karma
Ryzen 5 2600
dry tinsel
that's the CPU