building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

They'll get to it all, Ya just need patience

[cursive wharf]

I dont see getting 9th gen being a bonus as I cant see Intel pricing their previous gen significantly lower than current gen. If you're going Intel get 10th

They never have priced older stuff that much lower

[latent bronze]

@woven horizon it is a decent system

[cursive wharf]

Zen2 has yet to change that given 8th gen pricing

compared to 9th gen

[earnest olive]

is it actually cost efficient to go beyond a 3600X for gaming specifically?

my friend keeps saying if i have extra budget i should go for a 3900X

i was under the impression that beyond the 3600X the upgrades are mostly for productivity

[tight bluff]

Depends. A 3900x in many years will definitely cope better in terms of slapping in a new GPU to renew your entire experience. For now its productivity, for the future its a lasting PC.

But, in 5 years, what would the price of a used 3900x be? Under $200? Could just buy one then and swap it out if needed.

[earnest olive]

Yeah going from a 3600X to a 3900X is an extra $300

probably would rather just upgrade later on

[little osprey]

nvm i fixed it

[latent bronze]

Eww that wallpaper looked like Sao

[little osprey]

lol

i like the anime

im nearly done with my setup. just need a good desk and a monitor arm

[latent bronze]

it is ok watching it the first time but it is the kind of anime you don't want to watch again in the future

[little osprey]

yea i just started it a couple days ago

just finished season 1

[dry tinsel]

isn't it just more isekai

in fact SAO seems like it started the isekai boom

and it's not slowing down

[latent bronze]

I believe .hack started it all

@dry tinsel

[dry tinsel]

oh

but it didn't seem to start the "boom" we're seeing lately

.hack is a lot older

[latent bronze]

Well it has a massive cult following even to this day

[dry tinsel]

yeah, i know, there were PS2 games and all

i was here for that but i didn't watch it

but i was here for the storm of popularity

[latent bronze]

I watched it and i would watch it again

[dry tinsel]

i remember being 20 and the .hack games being really popular on PS2

like they were selling nearly as much as the final fantasy and shin megami tensei games

[latent bronze]

PS2 games are pretty rare now and expensive

for .hack

[dry tinsel]

not surprised

i was playing shin megami tensei nocturne back then

i got the guide which is literally the size of a bible

along with the game

[sudden turret]

goto sleep already :p

[dry tinsel]

so it was like $70

box there are times i just can't

if you lay down for a half hour and can't sleep you're just not going to do it

[latent bronze]

What is this sleep you speak of

[sudden turret]

half hour? I lay down for hours

before falling asleep

lol.

[dry tinsel]

sounds awful

[latent bronze]

Anni do you know what he is talking about?

[dry tinsel]

sleep

[sudden turret]

I idon't do it anymore. oxy/nerve suppressant help

[dry tinsel]

i get lots of sleep but most of it ends up being during the day

[sudden turret]

lol

So you're a vampire?

[latent bronze]

I bet Mike is still awake jumping all over the place after eating all that sugar

[sudden turret]

nah puddin needs his sleep

[tranquil dust]

I’m in Atlanta

[sudden turret]

ew

[tranquil dust]

No u

[sudden turret]

to many humans in one spot.

[tranquil dust]

No u

[latent bronze]

Not enough boxes in Atlanta

[tranquil dust]

No u

[dry tinsel]

i tried to get the daytime sleepiness from my drugs out of the way by switching things around and now that i can't sleep at night i just sleep all day

[sudden turret]

ok.

im going to mute you. 😐

[tranquil dust]

What

Why

mod abuse call the cops

[latent bronze]

He is the cops

[dry tinsel]

no, he's actually helpful

[tranquil dust]

Hi actually helpful I’m Jackson

[sudden turret]

hi Jackson.

[distant junco]

hey guys

I just built build for my friend

https://www.czc.cz/243769,233927,222551,253006,265876,258652,262046,256111,198238/kody

is it good enough in its price range?

[sudden turret]

that url looks sketchy

lol

[vivid atlas]

What is that currency

And I’ve never heard of that PSU

[tranquil dust]

Hmmmmm

[distant junco]

yea im from Czech republic

its Polish psu

[tranquil dust]

Ooo

Is it hi quality of ya know what I mean

[sudden turret]

https://www.silentiumpc.com/en/

Seems ok.

[vivid atlas]

I would recommend getting a 80+ bronze or better PSU from a brand like Corsair, EVGA, be quiet etc. But that’s my opinion I guess

So that your rig doesn’t burn 6 months after building it

[woven horizon]

@latent bronze WDYM?

[woven horizon]

I can not stand cases that's don't have a PSU shroud.

[glad hemlock]

morning all

[vivid atlas]

Good night Honor 🤷🏼‍♂️

Morning 😉

[distant junco]

iTek TAURUS BS650 - 650W

what about this psu?

[sudden turret]

Never heard of it

[vivid atlas]

Corsair, EVGA, be quiet!, sometimes SeaSonic would be my best picks

[sudden turret]

might not have those options in poland.

[glad hemlock]

yawns trying to figure out why my computer wont post ~_~

already checked ram and power connectors

[vivid atlas]

Amazon ships to Poland normally / Newegg too

[oblique karma]

This is how I build - https://youtu.be/b85h_ujZ_vg

[vivid atlas]

I’m sure you can cop one decent PSU even though shipping might be pricy

HowToBasic a legend 🤣🤣

[sudden turret]

@glad hemlock is it a fresh build?

[glad hemlock]

yes

[sudden turret]

components?

[glad hemlock]

no hard drive or graphics installed yet.

[sudden turret]

will it come on at all?

[glad hemlock]

oh yeah

[sudden turret]

lights? anything?

[glad hemlock]

all fans run and even the rgb

cpu does work

[sudden turret]

probably need the gpu since the ryzen has no onboard graphics

[glad hemlock]

oh it doesnt?

but it has an hdmi in it....

well ill try it

thanks

[sudden turret]

yeah only the ryzens with G at the end.

have onboard

like 3400G

etc.

[glad hemlock]

i did not know that

thank you, brb

i dont need a harddive in it yet do i?

its still trying to make its way to my house lol

[sudden turret]

nah you should be able to get into bios

[glad hemlock]

kk ty

[glad hemlock]

omg ty

that got my posted ❤️

[oblique karma]

Now load up windows

On your non existent hard drive

[elfin remnant]

rip

[glad hemlock]

lol

i was so use for onboard graphics before, i completely forgot its not standard to have

[elfin remnant]

Lol

[sudden turret]

it tells you though 😦

[glad hemlock]

4th built computer btw

[sudden turret]

the ryzens will have VEGA on the box

[little osprey]

Hey guys, is it true that January deals are better than Christmas and Black Friday deals?

[glad hemlock]

probably

[little osprey]

Hmmm, well my brother and I have a lot of Christmas money, and I'm about to get a job, so I want to buy stuff now for my PC.

[glad hemlock]

nice

[little osprey]

We both share a PC bc our other PCs broke down, and they weren't good PCs at all.

[glad hemlock]

what you can do, is check prices now write em down and check every/other day

[little osprey]

That sounds good.

[elfin remnant]

Def do that cause theyll mark up msrp to make it look like a deal

[glad hemlock]

ive saved at least 400 on my whole system this season

i agree dark. Tons of places do that

[little osprey]

I hate when they do that.

[glad hemlock]

i dont shop for computer parts enough to tell about newegg

[elfin remnant]

Or the product may just be on preputal sale lol

[little osprey]

They do that for Black Friday and it is annoying.

I don't shop on Black Friday.

When I bought my parts on Cyber Monday, it was disappointing.

[elfin remnant]

never would do that

lol

[little osprey]

Combined, we have $2k, but it is just a matter of convincing my brother to chip in bc he spends the most time on my PC as I'm a college student at dorms most of the time, and the PC is at home.

[elfin remnant]

But honeys price history is handy, also Pcpartpickers is ok.

[little osprey]

I have a budget of $900 in upgrades, should I wait for better CPUs and GPUs and get deals next January, or is the parts adequate now to be futureproof for my PC?

I used pcpartpicker's, it's quite nifty.

[glad hemlock]

theres a new nvidia line coming out next year SOMETIME called ampere

last i checked no specs or usable info yet

what cpu u have now?

[little osprey]

Ryzen 5 1500x

I dont get much FPS in CSGO and that game is CPU intensive

But I don't wanna just use a PC for gaming

I wanna code, video edit, photoshop, etc.

[glad hemlock]

if fps isnt priority

[little osprey]

Or do multiple at the same time.

[elfin remnant]

ryzen 2700x

[glad hemlock]

the ryzen stuff is where its at honestly

[elfin remnant]

or a 3600 would probbaly even work

And since your already using the am4 chipset

[glad hemlock]

^

[little osprey]

Ah, okay.

I think I have 3600 on my list of stuff I'm looking at.

[glad hemlock]

just make sure theres an x after the number

theyre good in betweens

[little osprey]

Ah, yes, ofc, bc that is the one you can overclock ideally right?

[elfin remnant]

Bottom line, 3600 will have better gaming performance but the extra two cores on the 2700x will help with productivity

If you want to spend more i reccomended a 3700x, same amount of cores as 2700x but with alot better single core preformace

[glad hemlock]

i went with 3700x myself

[little osprey]

I want to spend more definitely, I don't want to have to upgrade in a while.

Spend more now for longer usability.

[elfin remnant]

Then a 3700x, what gpu do you use?

[little osprey]

1050 TI

[glad hemlock]

fyi, depending on your motherboard, you may have to update your bios to make it compitible

[elfin remnant]

Id updrade to a 2070s

[glad hemlock]

2070 supers

[little osprey]

Yea, I was thinking the same thing.

That was on my mind.

[elfin remnant]

Some people reccomend the 5700xt but im a nvidia fanboy and there software is great and turing is amazing

[glad hemlock]

nvidia is still a good way to go

[elfin remnant]

For sure

[little osprey]

Oh right, I was about to ask about the 5700xt.

Like, what makes the 5700xt stand out compared to the 2070S?

[elfin remnant]

Well the 2070 s is going to out preform the 5700xt, but the xt is much cheaper

[glad hemlock]

last i checked the cheapest 2070s was 500 on the nose

[elfin remnant]

By about 100 dollars usally

[little osprey]

Oh wow.

Well, I have plenty of $, and I'm about to get more, so I think 2070S it is.

[glad hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5-vCnUC7bM

its about the 2070 super

only 5 or 6 months old

[little osprey]

I thought the 2070S was newer or something.

[glad hemlock]

benchmark testing

[little osprey]

Oh wow.

Alright, I'll check it out.

Thanks, guys.

[tight bluff]

Don't keep saying you have a lot of money for your own benefit. Youll just keep upgrading your idea until you end up with a 3950x + 2080 TI

[glad hemlock]

lol

wish i were rich like that

thats what.....5 grand on its own?

[little osprey]

Well, it can be a slippery slope.

But I feel like my PC could be better.

It feels underpowered for the stuff I play.

[tight bluff]

In aussia dollars maybe

[little osprey]

I want to get a 144 Hz monitor and I found some that are about $150

[tight bluff]

My system was £2200 with a 3950X + 2080S + 1tb m.2 + 4tb WD blue + Asus X570 TUF, 16gb 3600mhz CL 16 (will upgrade to 32 when I can afford it)

[little osprey]

I think I will get that last.

[glad hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5McVc0SQMHU

theres the other

theyre long but usually in depth

[tight bluff]

A 2080TI instead of S would have been like 2500 total

[elfin remnant]

The choice is yours but if your looking for longevity a 2070 s or 5700xt will perform well for a while.

And cpu, a 3600 will do great in cs but if you want the productivity side too a 3700x wouldnt be a terrible idea and budget a 2700x (i personally have used it and love it, what i have until i can get alhod of a 3950x)

[little osprey]

Alright, thanks. How significant is the speed of RAM to the FPS in games?

And also to applications I use.

[elfin remnant]

Not vey but it is important to ryzens preformace

[opal mural]

Guys should I buy a $200 game if cumputer

[little osprey]

Unity, roblox studio, anything coding-related like IDEs, photoshop, etc.

[opal mural]

Can someone pls send me a video of one

[tight bluff]

When using an AMD CPU in CPU intensive games, most benchmarks I looked at showed that 3600mhz ram performance was 5-10% better than 3200mhz.

[little osprey]

And the price difference, @tight bluff?

On average.

[tight bluff]

Higher gave similar and in some cases lower results.

Not much at all.

[elfin remnant]

Dont forget about latency

[tight bluff]

Like 60-75 (in my country) vs 75-90 assuming CL16.

[elfin remnant]

This dim kit is pretty good

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880

Its 3600 cl 16

If you want rgb get trident or neo

[tight bluff]

Also make sure you use an xmp profile.

[elfin remnant]

^

[tight bluff]

Id definitely rate setting it in the bios so it actually runs at its advertised specs is the most overlooked things for people who don't know what they're doing. Which tbf was me not that long ago.

[little osprey]

xmp profile... So where do you find that and how do you use it?

[tight bluff]

Its in the bios. Youtube videos are your best bet there.

[little osprey]

Alrighty, I can make do with that.

[tight bluff]

Videos showing a Uefi/bios similar to the one you use will basically just tell you to go to a certain bit and select one option and thats about it.

[vestal cove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TcHQyk

I’m gonna get everything except the gpu

I’m gonna wait till the card drops price

[muted patio]

Do you stream?

[vestal cove]

Yah but on Xbox

It sucks

[muted patio]

Not on the PC?

Will you be streaming on that build?

[vestal cove]

Yah most likely

[muted patio]

Ok

If not, I'd go 5700XT

Way better performance for the same money

[vestal cove]

I don’t want an amd card

[muted patio]

Well, the 2060 for Ray Tracing is poo

[vestal cove]

Plus I’m gonna overclock

[muted patio]

I* have one that I oc'd, didn't help a lot

The 2060 is good for NVENC for streaming and gaming but don't expect ray tracing on it. Just a word of warning

[vestal cove]

I just want over 120fps

[stoic island]

5700xt can do that

And you are NOT getting 120fps ray tracing with a 2060, that would need like a 2080S or 2080ti

[rigid spade]

Hey need a bit of help I have no idea where the cords for my power supply go into my power supply

Dont have any harddrive so no need for that cord but everything else is confusing to me

[vestal cove]

Send a pic?

[stoic island]

It should say on your psu

Like "main", "cpu" , "gpu"

[rigid spade]

I already plugged int the usb and fan one

[stoic island]

So the bottom 2 could either be the GPU power or CPU power

Top are sata power

[muted patio]

The CPU and GPU are key differently

For the 8 pin

You can't screw it up

[stoic island]

4+4 and 6+2

[muted patio]

Huh, they are. I thought they were keyed differently, guess not

Still, can't screw it up

[rigid spade]

Kk

[elfin remnant]

Hating a card becuase of the brand is kinda dumb

And if you want to stream and get good fps, a 2070 or 5700xt is gonna be a must. or a used 1080 ti

[muted patio]

For streaming, go nVidia

AMD's encoder is currently garbage

[elfin remnant]

This is true

Also is there any reason you going with Intel at this point when amd cleary is on top performance wise

[muted patio]

They just threw it in to say they had one

Intel is king for Gaming still

While AMD is king of multicore encoding/rendering, etc

[elfin remnant]

But if he wants to stream

amd would make more sense

[muted patio]

NVENC will take care of the streaming

For pure FPS, Intel still wins

For everything else, there's AMD

[elfin remnant]

Not by much tho, amd is catching up

[muted patio]

Of course

The margin is small

[elfin remnant]

I told him yesterday he should wait for 10000 series if hes dead set on intel

only a month or two

[muted patio]

Eh

Current 10000 series gets stomped by 3950

[elfin remnant]

See what the preformance is like and if its a flop by the 9700k

Very true😂

I realllly want a 3950x but theres none in stock

[muted patio]

Bu7t we need to see what the i5 series does

[stoic island]

High demand low supply

[elfin remnant]

I have exactly zero need for a 3950, i just stream, game and do light blender work

[muted patio]

That's why I went 3700x

[elfin remnant]

I currently have 2700x, still going very strong

[muted patio]

Oh yeah, still a good processor

[elfin remnant]

But that 3950 is such good value, 750 dollars for that performance

[muted patio]

It's ridiculous lol

[elfin remnant]

Honeslty amd is such a good spot right now

it makes me happy intel has some real competition

[muted patio]

It is. Zen 3 is 17% more IPC and 25% more floating point too

Coming February ish

[little osprey]

Is the 3800x even worth it?

[muted patio]

No

go 3700x

[elfin remnant]

No

Or just go all in and buy 3950

[little osprey]

I'm not looking to get one I'm jsut like bamboozled on why people buy it

[muted patio]

basically 100 more mHZ for more dollars. Not worth it

higher base clock

[little osprey]

wacc

[muted patio]

Plus 3700x went out of stock so people bought 3800x

[little osprey]

Weird

[stoic island]

I got 3800x bc it was same price as 3700x during black Friday

[muted patio]

IN that case it's OK

[elfin remnant]

Yeah, i mean if you find deal that makes it the same price as a 3800x buy it but i wouldn't choose it over a 3700x at normal price

[muted patio]

But I wouldn't recommend it otherwise

[stoic island]

It was like 320$

[muted patio]

Not worth the extra money

[elfin remnant]

Im looking at getting 2080 ti to pair with my 3950x, i feel my 2070 might bottleneck

[muted patio]

Resolution?

[stoic island]

2080S might be better.. :p

(Better price to perf)

[normal cloud]

Im having a problem with lines appearing on my screen

[elfin remnant]

1440p

[muted patio]

Ehh, not sure it's worth the money

[normal cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556317228639977494/660555385182355459/video0.mov

[muted patio]

Drivers up to date? GPU getting hot?

[normal cloud]

they are up to date

[stoic island]

Revert any gpu oc

[muted patio]

what GPU?

[normal cloud]

5700 xt

[elfin remnant]

Ill see once i can finally order a 3950, im also going to sell my current monitors in favor of dual ultrawides

[muted patio]

What 5700XT?

MSI?

[normal cloud]

Msi mech oc

[muted patio]

Revert the overclock

Or turn down the overclock

See if it goes away

[elfin remnant]

^^

[normal cloud]

i havent changed anything

should i make core clock and memory clock 0?

[muted patio]

No, turn down the core 100mhz and see if it helps. Is that COD MW?

[elfin remnant]

No

[normal cloud]

yea it is

it happens in basically every game

i dont notice it in game but in the menus

[muted patio]

If it's not in game, it's probably a driver issue. The other thing is, MSI didn't do a very good job of cooling the GDDR6 and other components

Wait

The Mech OC I'm looking at now

Advertises a 1750 mhz core

And you're at 2024

Oh NM

It's a 5700, not XT

Still, the XT advertises 1925 mhz

Turn down the core clock to 1925 mhz

[normal cloud]

ok

[sudden turret]

I don't think that's how afterburner works with the coreclock and mem clock...

or is it different for the XT

cause I thought it only goes to 1,000

[muted patio]

Nah,

[sudden turret]

and why is the temp limit at 9

eer 0

could be why such low mhz

[muted patio]

low mhz?

[muted patio]

Oh, that's idle speed tho

[sudden turret]

but still

[muted patio]

Although, mV is at zero

[stoic island]

Click the revert thingy

[normal cloud]

What do i do

[muted patio]

Yeah, something funky there

[stoic island]

In the middle

[normal cloud]

when i click it it brings core clock to 2024 and memory clock to 1750

[stoic island]

Can you double check and reinstall the graphics drivers?

[normal cloud]

yea it does 2024 and 1750

[muted patio]

Honestly, I would just uninstall afterburner and let the card do it's thing

See if that helps

[stoic island]

Tho wouldnt afterburner oc still be set for the card?

[muted patio]

You can check in the AMD software but it shouldn't

Without Afterburner running it doesn't do anything

[sudden turret]

something is broke

[muted patio]

Ya

[sudden turret]

that's mine idle

[muted patio]

I'd uninstall Afterburner and use the AMD software

[sudden turret]

the white/red arrow is when it boosts/load

his is non existent

[normal cloud]

lol is my gpu broken

[muted patio]

I don't think so

[sudden turret]

just uninstall afterburner

[stoic island]

Ya

[sudden turret]

do you have anything else controlling the gpu?

seems like something is conflicting with it

[muted patio]

Possibly the AMD software package

If that's installed and not just drivers

AMD Adrenalin

[muted patio]

No

[sudden turret]

[normal cloud]

What should i do next?

[muted patio]

Reboot

[normal cloud]

I have adrenaline 2020?

[muted patio]

Play game

See if artifacts go away

[normal cloud]

ok

seems like the problem still occurs

could it be something in here

]

[muted patio]

Check those stats in game

[normal cloud]

ok

[muted patio]

Also check your in game FPS

[sudden turret]

how big is your PSU?

do you have all power plugs plugged into gpu?

[muted patio]

Yeah, that looks about normal for in game

Except the juntion temp is high

[normal cloud]

170-200 fps highest settings

[muted patio]

Ah

[stoic island]

If all else fails you can try to file a rma

[muted patio]

I forget 5700 XT's run hot

[normal cloud]

i think 600 watt

thermal take

[muted patio]

110C is junction max

Honestly, IMO, with this only happening in a menu it would seem like a game/driver issue

[stoic island]

Oh wait its localised?

[muted patio]

Especially with that FPS and no in-game artifacts. Does it do it with other games or Windows?

[normal cloud]

every game

even minecraft

[stoic island]

Oh

[muted patio]

Eh

[stoic island]

Then it might be gpu issue

[muted patio]

Yeah, if it does it for everything it may be defective

You could try a DDU

and reinstall the drivers

[normal cloud]

how do i do that?

[muted patio]

DDU is a driver wiper

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

run that and then reinstall the drivers again

If that doesn't fix it, I would RMA the card

[normal cloud]

should i make a backup?

[muted patio]

I never have

[normal cloud]

ok

[muted patio]

Uncheck nVidia stuff

Uncheck remove monitors

Uncheck show offers from Partners

Do you have an AMD motherboard?

[normal cloud]

ughh

Asus tuf x570 wifi

[muted patio]

Uncheck the driver filter then

Well

Leave that checked.

Windows will reinstall chipset drivers

[normal cloud]

ok

that it?

[muted patio]

Ya

[normal cloud]

should i boot into safe mod?

mode*

reboot

[muted patio]

It's not required but I would. That way you for sure get everything

[normal cloud]

lol how do i boot into safe mode

Nvm

I’m in safe mode

[muted patio]

L>ol, I did a dumb and oopsed out for a minute

[muted patio]

I can't really see that pic

[normal cloud]

Do I do clean and restart

Clean and do not restart

Clean and shut down

[muted patio]

Clean and restart

[normal cloud]

Ok

Should I leave safe mode after it restarted

[muted patio]

Ya

[normal cloud]

What do I do now

[muted patio]

Back in Windows 10?

[normal cloud]

Yea

[muted patio]

reinstall adrenaline

[normal cloud]

Ok

[muted patio]

And test in game. If you still artifact, I'd RMA the card

[latent bronze]

Who has tried to disturb my slumber

[muted patio]

wut

[muted patio]

Go 12.2

[latent bronze]

recommended

[normal cloud]

Ok

[latent bronze]

optional is like beta drivers

[normal cloud]

Could the problem be my monitor ?

i just connected a tv to my pc and the lines arent there

[muted patio]

Refresh of TV? Refresh rate of monitor?

[normal cloud]

the monitor is 75

tv is 60

[muted patio]

Set your monitor to 60\

[normal cloud]

lines still appear

[stoic island]

Da hecc

[normal cloud]

im testing my other tv rn

[muted patio]

Interesting

[normal cloud]

no lines

[muted patio]

That is kind of odd IMO

I wonder if it's some kind of response time or setting issue in the monitor

[normal cloud]

i ordered a 144 hz monitor and its comming monday imma have to see whats up with that

[muted patio]

Indeed!

Displayport or HDMI?

[normal cloud]

displayport

rn everything im using is hdmi

[muted patio]

Hmmmm

I wonder if you're using an older cable for a new revision?

[normal cloud]

how can i tell

[muted patio]

that I'm not 100% certain of

Does the cable say HDMI 2.0?

Or just HDMI

[stoic island]

Its usually only 1.4 or whatever

Theres little using htmi 2.0

[little osprey]

If you're having trouble with hdmi, see if you have a dvi port

[cursive wharf]

Aren't HDMI 1.4/2.0 cables literally the same tho?

[muted patio]

That I don't know

Bascially it's this: Monitor Artifacts in menus, TV doesn't

[cursive wharf]

Thought there wasn't really a difference between the cables, just the ports

But faulty cables can still happen

[muted patio]

No artifacts on TV though

[stoic island]

I think the ports backwards compatable

[little osprey]

I mean like, just try a different port type, like dvi and see if it works

[muted patio]

I'm not sure the cables are due to different bandwidths and Data vs no data

[cursive wharf]

Apparently some thought it was due to refresh rate. If so have you tried down clocking the monitor?

[muted patio]

Yes

we tried 60hz and 75 hz

TV is 60hz no issues

Monitor has issues

[little osprey]

Has he tried a different cable or no?

[muted patio]

NOt yet, they're looking

[little osprey]

Oh ok

was it the same cable that was plugged into the tv?

[muted patio]

It's just odd that it only affects game menus and not actualy in game play

[little osprey]

ye

maybe an nvidia issue?

[muted patio]

5700 XT

[little osprey]

Uhhhh

[muted patio]

already did a DDU and reinstall

[little osprey]

does he have freesync on it?

[muted patio]

Didn't ask,. I assumed not since monitor was only 75hz

[little osprey]

Because it might mess with it

[muted patio]

Isn't that a display port only thing though? i'm not well versed in that

[cursive wharf]

Could be due to menus usually running at different refresh rates than actual game. With fressync it can maybe have an effect

Some fressync works on HDMI

[normal cloud]

The hdmi says High speed HDMI cable with ethernet USTC

[muted patio]

Ok, that's a good one then

That's at least 1.4

[little osprey]

This is wonky have fun with this lmao

[muted patio]

Do you have Freesync on or a Freesync monitor?

[cursive wharf]

Usually is more more expensive to do it over HDMI tho so generally DP is used

[normal cloud]

nah its not free sync

[muted patio]

Ok, rules that out

[stoic island]

Freesync isn't even an option with my htmi cable

[normal cloud]

i think when i got this it was the cheapest one on amzon

[cursive wharf]

@stoic island it is, just rare

[stoic island]

Yea its not with mine

[muted patio]

I mean at this point we are down to a monitor issue then. You would think it would have the same issue on a TV if it was a GPU or cable issue

Although it may be related to response time also. TV's generally have slower response time than monitors

[cursive wharf]

Have any iGPU?

[muted patio]

X570 mobo so no

At this point, OP has a new monitor coming Monday

I say wait and see what the new monitor does

[stoic island]

Yes

Do that

[muted patio]

Pretty sure it's not a bad GPU

I'm calling stumped on this one. Wait for the new monitor.

[little osprey]

thats not too long

just go with the tv for now lmao

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[regal forge]

I want to know the best companys for pre builts for a gaming computer less then 2000$

[elfin remnant]

Main gear

[regal forge]

Is that prob the best

[elfin remnant]

Yeah

In my opinion

[regal forge]

I was looking at Ibuypower but I heard stuff that they dont do a good job

[elfin remnant]

Linus tech tips did a great video comparing different companies, main gear was great. Ibuypower has better deals i suppose sometimes

[regal forge]

Yeah i watched some of that

[muted patio]

Omen Obelisk has good hardware also. So does the Corsair vengeance 5182

[elfin remnant]

^

[stoic island]

(You could also build it yourself ;))

[regal forge]

I have a pre built from digital storm rn but i want an upgrade and they are expensive

Yeah i know i just dont want to risk messing up on a build since its expensive

[stoic island]

Orgin is expensive

[regal forge]

and i dont mind paying the price for them to build it

[elfin remnant]

Main gear

[stoic island]

Any of yall know much about ironside or whatever its called

[elfin remnant]

Im telling ya, there a boutique like origin and do great work

[muted patio]

They do good work.

[elfin remnant]

No

[regal forge]

im on main gear now im looking

Can i link the pre built from ibuypower to make sure its good?

[muted patio]

Ye

[stoic island]

Yea

[elfin remnant]

Yee

[regal forge]

https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/AMD-Gladiator-EZB101

Thats what im looking at right now

[muted patio]

Eh

Don't go 120MM AIO

Either Air cooler or 240mm

3200 MHZ ram

[regal forge]

I have 240 selected

[elfin remnant]

Your gonna want more storage

[muted patio]

The above link has 120MM AIO checked

[stoic island]

Oh selections dont save in the url

[regal forge]

Yeah im buying a seperate hard drive

[muted patio]

AH

[elfin remnant]

Ok

[stoic island]

I dont like the look of that pc :p

[regal forge]

Ill just type what i want

lol

[muted patio]

Also, go 650 watt or larger PSU

[stoic island]

The black and rgb doesnt look great imo

[muted patio]

Absolute minimum is 550 so go up a bit if you can

[elfin remnant]

But other than that it looks good, exept for maybe a 700w psu

[regal forge]

AMD Ryzen 7 3700x, GTX 2070 super 8 gb, 32gb Drr4 ram 3200, 240mm cooling, 1tb ssd

[muted patio]

32 Gig ram is overkill for just gaming

[stoic island]

You prob want better ram

[muted patio]

Can save some money there

[stoic island]

3600mhz c16 if you can

[regal forge]

Yeah i stream to lol

[elfin remnant]

^

[muted patio]

Streaming is done with NVENC

[regal forge]

What is that lol im kinda a nood lol

[muted patio]

I stream and only have 16 GB ram just fine

[regal forge]

3600mhz c16?

[stoic island]

Not an option there :p

[muted patio]

exactly

[stoic island]

3600mhz ram works best for ryzen 3rd gen CPUs

[elfin remnant]

Build your own

[regal forge]

Im scared to builf my own so that why i build my own on the website

[stoic island]

Build your own gives a lot more options tbh

[elfin remnant]

Youd save so much money

[stoic island]

Dont be scared

[elfin remnant]

Theres a tone of great videos

[stoic island]

Its not hard

[regal forge]

Yeah i havent done it before and i dont know anything about comoputers clearly

[stoic island]

Its literally just slotting stuff in

[elfin remnant]

https://youtu.be/IhX0fOUYd8Q

[muted patio]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lh6Lyk

Oops, too much ram in that one

[elfin remnant]

This video will walk you thru it all

[regal forge]

Yeah but still thats like the last option for me

I just dont want to build it

[muted patio]

Ok then

[stoic island]

I mean hecc you can slot in a 2080 super with that

Since theres a 2000 budget

[muted patio]

Op doesn't wanna build, so we go prebuilt

[stoic island]

Aww

[muted patio]

Get the build you had but with 3200 MHZ ram

and a 650-700 watt PSU

[regal forge]

I dont trust myself and it cost so much for me to make a mistake and mess up soemthing up

[muted patio]

and it should be good

[stoic island]

Wait lets find other pc makers models first tho

Ima look at maingear brb

[regal forge]

ok sounds goof ty

Sorry im a noob

[muted patio]

NO worries

[regal forge]

I Just dont want to build it

[elfin remnant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PKJPf9

[muted patio]

Nice build but OP wants pre-built.

How about this

You buy the parts and have a friend put it together.

😉

[regal forge]

I dont have a friend that can build a computer

[muted patio]

Ok, no problem then

[regal forge]

Yeah sorry

lol

[muted patio]

Let's see what Mr. 1111 comes up with

[stoic island]

Holy crap maingear is expensive

3700x 2070super

[elfin remnant]

Are they that bad

Damn

[stoic island]

Liek rlly?

No add ons

Just 3700x and 2070 super on a x570 board

[elfin remnant]

Well, ill look at omen

[muted patio]

There's this one too

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Systems/Vengeance-PC-5100-Series/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-GAMING-PC/p/CS-9030005-NA

[regal forge]

On IBP the same PC is 1800$

But I heard bad stuff about them

[stoic island]

That has a b360 mobo..? 2666mhz ram...

The corsair one

[muted patio]

Does it really

-_-

[muted patio]

It does. But if you aren't going to overclock

[stoic island]

Ehh

[muted patio]

And let's face it, OP is unlikely to upgrade components

[regal forge]

So is Ibuypower not an option lol

[stoic island]

Ah right

[muted patio]

Just giving you options

[regal forge]

does no one like them?

No its fine I appreciate it

[muted patio]

The iBuyPower is fine honestly

with the 3200 mhz ram

and a 600-700 watt PSU

[stoic island]

Ehh, I like building PC myself, idrk how prebuilts should be priced, I'm just picking at the specs

[regal forge]

I plan on buying 16gb more of ram for the pc as well

on amazon

[stoic island]

Well thats gonna be wierd

[muted patio]

Just make sure it matches exactly the RAM that's in it

[stoic island]

Because ^

[marble star]

^^

[regal forge]

Yep ill show you

https://www.amazon.com/XPG-Spectrix-3200MHz-PC4-25600-AX4U320038G16-DR41/dp/B07CQ9S4SD?th=1

Same ram as IBB

https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/AMD-Gladiator-EZB101

So the I buy power is a good computer?

[muted patio]

I would say so, for a pre-built

[elfin remnant]

https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Year-End-Special-II

Upgrade gpu to 2070s and ram, tota comes to 152

1520

[marble star]

I like cyber power more

Just from experience

[muted patio]

Oh hey, that's a nice one too

[stoic island]

Pretty good actually

[muted patio]

@regal forge

[stoic island]

[muted patio]

Check out above CyberPower

[elfin remnant]

There websote is not made for phone

lol its kimda glitchy

[regal forge]

Im looking now

[stoic island]

Yea lol

[elfin remnant]

Im at family christmas so im not at the pc

[stoic island]

Make sure for 240mm if water cooling

[regal forge]

What graphics card is in it

[stoic island]

Afaik 120mm isnt worth it

[muted patio]

120mm AIO is poo for the Ryzen CPU's

[stoic island]

(Hey I think you can prob afford to slot in a rtx 2080super in there)

[regal forge]

nevermind got it

[elfin remnant]

Its 5700xt but you can change it on ths sitr

[muted patio]

Good unless OP is streaming

[stoic island]

I thiught OP streams?

[regal forge]

I do stream

[muted patio]

Ah

[regal forge]

But I stream on the pc i play on now and is not good

[muted patio]

2070 then

NVENC encoding is godly

[stoic island]

OP has a 2000 budget, maybe slot in a 2080 if it allows?

[muted patio]

Depends on resolution

for 1080p, nah

for 1440p mebbe

[elfin remnant]

1583 for this

Updraged psu, ram, and video card

[regal forge]

So put 700 watt power supply in as well?

[elfin remnant]

get a 750 txm

[little osprey]

I mean I would say if you're going on a budget go with amd, unless you're going to be streaming off of the gpu

[muted patio]

Dood

CyberPower build is awesome

[elfin remnant]

He said hes streaming

[muted patio]

Do that

[little osprey]

ok?

you can stream off of an amd gpu

with*

[muted patio]

Nah

Their encoder is literal garbage

NVENC is much better

[little osprey]

True, but you can put the strain on your cpu

[elfin remnant]

The memory is low frequency but with the saved money buy seprate ram ad we can help you install it

[muted patio]

Why? Let the GPU do the work. NVENC is sooooo good

[stoic island]

NVENC still good

Ram installation is simple

[little osprey]

Because if you have a budget, a good cpu is cheaper then a good gpu

[muted patio]

We are $400 under OP's budget

[elfin remnant]

Lol

[muted patio]

Op said $2000, Dark built for $1600

[little osprey]

what is he looking to stream in? 1080p?

[stoic island]

2080S

Ima just suggest some Trident z neo ram just because it looks really good

[elfin remnant]

1850 with the 2080s

[regal forge]

Im putting stuff ill send sc of whats in it

[elfin remnant]

with left over mony to buy good ram and swap

[muted patio]

That's like the ultimate streaming rig for less than $2000

[little osprey]

That is good ram

[elfin remnant]

there vidoes or someome here can walk you thru ut

swapping ram

[little osprey]

Like 3200 is fine, I would suggest 32 gb of ram though

[stoic island]

Its like open case, open the clips, take sticks out, push new sticks in until click. Done

[muted patio]

3600 mhz would be ideal

[stoic island]

OP wanted to buy aftermarket ram?

I think?

[elfin remnant]

I must go to the next Christmas i have here the build to go off, brb

I suggested it cyberpower has not good selection

[muted patio]

Ah, OK

Then maybe leave RAM out

[stoic island]

Ye get cheapest cyperpower option, then add some Trident z neo ram

[muted patio]

And let OP buy their own ram

[little osprey]

3200 is just fine though, I just suggest you get 32 gb of ram

[muted patio]

Not for Ryzen. Need to get that Fabric Clock as high as you can

[little osprey]

Yeah but If you're streaming that 16 gb of ram is going to give you hell

[stoic island]

3600mhz cl16 32gb ram

[elfin remnant]

not really

[little osprey]

I'm assuming you have two displays? and you use chrome for chat?

[stoic island]

You can get the same kit as mine

[elfin remnant]

i do fine with 16gb

[little osprey]

Two displays? chrome as chat?

[muted patio]

I have 16 GB of ram and stream

works fantastic

because the GPU does the encoding

[elfin remnant]

yee, expect i use firefox lite

[stoic island]

I do some video editing on software that likes to eat like 20 gigs of ram

[muted patio]

For editing, yes, get more ram

[stoic island]

Thats why I have 32gb

[muted patio]

For just streaming, nah

[little osprey]

I would say it'll give you hell because 1. chrome, 2. streamlabs obs can eat ram,

[elfin remnant]

Yeah you have budget just get 32

If you can afford it

[eager chasm]

I have 32 just in case

[regal forge]

Stupid question again lol how do i sc

[stoic island]

Yea

[muted patio]

If Cyberpower doesn't offer it, buy your own and install it

[regal forge]

So i cand send specs

[muted patio]

the 3600

[stoic island]

Prntsc top right of your keyboard

Press it when you want to screenshot

Then ctrl v it into the chat

[eager chasm]

PrScr key
ALT+PrScr key for a single window

[stoic island]

Theres also software that does it nicer

I like the prnt.sc thing

[eager chasm]

like ALT+PrScr gets JUST this window

[stoic island]

Ah

On the un-maximizable stuff

[elfin remnant]

Get the basic ram, swap for 2080s and buy ram and add

[regal forge]

Ok

[stoic island]

And also go to the cpu freebie part and select the "the outer worlds OR borderlands 3"

[regal forge]

right now im under budget without the upgarded graphics card

Thanks for all the help guys

Appreciate it alot

[stoic island]

Dont forget to buy the good ram

[regal forge]

I did get good ram pretty sure

[muted patio]

That CPU really likes 3600 mhz

[regal forge]

Thats the ram

[stoic island]

(I thought we were selecting bad ram on the cyperpower and buying good ram from newegg)

[muted patio]

So if you can, get the cheap stuff and install your own 3600 mhz if you can afford it

[regal forge]

Ahhh ok so get bad ram and buy good ram gotcha

[muted patio]

3600 CL16 is what you should look for

[regal forge]

okay is that the best right now?

[stoic island]

I have this because it looks amazing

[muted patio]

best for Ryzen 3700x

it's the sweet spot without it costing a small fortune

[marble star]

Get the trident z royal

Gold>Everything

[regal forge]

Thanks agin guys appreciate all the help!

[marble star]

So if you are gonna buy a pc without a hard drive and buy new ram. Why not just build it?

[muted patio]

Has two drives

1 TB NVME and 2 TB platter

[cursive wharf]

@regal forge $1700 for a 3700x, 32gb RAM, and 2070S?

[regal forge]

Yep

@cursive wharf

[stoic island]

Hei they're set on buying prebuilt btw

[cursive wharf]

that's like $500 - $600 overpriced iirc

[muted patio]

OP is not building their own, it's not an option

[stoic island]

They dont care for paying more

[cursive wharf]

a bit much for a prebuilt

[muted patio]

Find abetter one

[stoic island]

Its cheapest we can find

[regal forge]

What does OP mean

[muted patio]

Original Poster

[regal forge]

is that like an insult

o

[stoic island]

Maingear corsair etc were too expensive

[muted patio]

Not at all

[regal forge]

This the cheapest I have found

[cursive wharf]

What's that brand on newegg... ABS?

[regal forge]

I understand its prob overpirced but i dont feel comfortable building one

And is the cheapest that they were able to help me find with the best specs

[cursive wharf]

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100897449 601321512 601341618 601342245 601304715 601314320 601323372 601341602&Order=PRICE

sure got to look at PSU and mobo

[muted patio]

3000 MHZ Ram? blech

[stoic island]

Taking a quick look, cant find anything like what we've gotten from the cyberpower build

We dont want 5700xt sincr were making streaming build

[muted patio]

Yeah, the ABS that does is open box

[cursive wharf]

get a cheapish one with a good PSU and mobo, then upgrade RAM/Storage?

[muted patio]

What Mobo do they use?

[stoic island]

And OP wants it to be prebuilt and doesnt want to have to make modifications

[muted patio]

Well, except RAM lol

[stoic island]

If they wanted to mix and match a lot they would go build it themselves

[cursive wharf]

dont know, got to look at chipset in specs then look at pics

[stoic island]

X570 plus

[cursive wharf]

well RAM/Storage upgrade is certainly easier than a whole build

[stoic island]

In the cyberpower build

[rigid spade]

Need a bit of help my PC isn't starting just got done building

[muted patio]

Closest is this one

https://www.newegg.com/abs-computer-technologies-mage-m-ala154/p/N82E16883102838R

Swap RAM

[stoic island]

Isn't starting in what kind of way?

[muted patio]

But it's also open box

[rigid spade]

Ps is on I can here is

[muted patio]

AND x470

[rigid spade]

Button start on the case

[stoic island]

Like lights aren't coming on, no signal from graphics card, or turning on then off

[rigid spade]

Nonthing is turning on besides the power supply

[stoic island]

Oh make sure the bunch of connectors at like the bottom right of the mobo is correctly plugged in

Also make sure to flip the switch on the back of the power supply to turn it on

[rigid spade]

Like this?

[cursive wharf]

AsRock x470 Master/AC

[stoic island]

Yea that

[rigid spade]

Yah I made sure of that

[stoic island]

PSU is on?

[cursive wharf]

That was for the prebuilt, is this still the topic?

[rigid spade]

I'll take pics

[stoic island]

Ima be helping this guy yall do your thing

[stoic island]

Remove that "remove before starting" plastic thing lol

[cursive wharf]

Main issue with the ABS prebuilt is idk PSU

[stoic island]

Uhhh

[muted patio]

that's completely blocking the chipset fan

I wonder if that's causing it because the fan can't spin

[stoic island]

The CPU power 1

Plug it into the right side

[muted patio]

CPU power 1 is fine, onnly needs the 8 pin

[cursive wharf]

dont need that extra 4 pin

[stoic island]

Because he has it plugged half into cpu 2

[muted patio]

Nope

that's an 8+4

only needs the 8

[stoic island]

In my board, its 4+8, and the left is extra

I'm saying to plug the connector into the main 8

[muted patio]

It is

8 is on the left

[stoic island]

Really?

[muted patio]

Ye

[rigid spade]

Yah it's in the main 8

[muted patio]

But definitely remove the plastic cover on the fan @rigid spade

[stoic island]

I cant quite read it :p

[rigid spade]

Yah I did

[muted patio]

K

[stoic island]

Mobo power plugged in?

[rigid spade]

Yup

Switch to the PSU is on

Have no HDD just SSD

[cursive wharf]

so what happens when power button is pressed?

[rigid spade]

Nonthing

[cursive wharf]

PSU fan goes?

[stoic island]

Change wall plug location real quick?

[cursive wharf]

cuz you did say "Nothing is turning on besides the power supply"
Just need to know

[rigid spade]

Still nonthing

[muted patio]

Mobo fan spin?

NO LED lights at all?

[rigid spade]

Nope

Lemme try something the case came with extra power switches and stuff lemme see if that works

[stoic island]

Pkai

Okai

[rigid spade]

Still didnt work

[muted patio]

Brand new build?

[rigid spade]

Yup

[cursive wharf]

Got another PC, spare PSU and such?

also

reset CMOS

[rigid spade]

CMOS?

[cursive wharf]

the watch battery on the mobo

[muted patio]

I was going to recommend un0plugging 24 pin connector from the board. Connect the GREEN and any BLACK wire with a bent paperclip. That will manually turn the PSU on. If it turns on, bad mobo. If it doesn't, bad power supply.

[rigid spade]

I only have this PSU

[muted patio]

But only if you're comfortable with that

[stoic island]

I wonder if its something with the power button

Start the pc some other way?

[muted patio]

That's why my test...will isolate motherboard and PSU

[rigid spade]

Yah I tried another switch to turn it on

[cursive wharf]

Cuz some mobos have a built in safety feature with short circuiting. But you have to do a complete reset for it to turn on