building-and-recc-chat

[gentle bay]

Use amazon

[jaunty karma]

Use lazada

Its basically amazon but for us

[gentle bay]

where do u even live

this sounds like some Australia type of thing

[indigo thicket]

this acer might be decent @gentle bay https://www.amazon.com/Acer-CB272-bmiprx-FreeSync-Technology/dp/B07V9ZM155/

[gentle bay]

It sounds really really temptingn

and nicd

but the reviews are a mixed bag

regardless, I greatly appreicate your efforts keegan

[indigo thicket]

if you're willing to go 60Hz, or non-IPS 144Hz, you might find a better one in that price range, 75Hz monitors are kind of oddballs

[gentle bay]

Like the middle child

Or the only child in this case

But whats better a 144 non ips

or a 75 hz ips

[indigo thicket]

if you play shooters definitely the 144hz

[gentle bay]

Hmmm

How about for RE 2 or RE 3 remake

[indigo thicket]

idk for singleplayer 60-75Hz is fine most of the time

i don't even know if there's a difference between 60 and 75

[gentle bay]

hmm

How about for something as basic as league

LoL

[indigo thicket]

i haven't played it enough to really know

but your 1660 ti would definitely be getting 120+ fps in league i would think

[gentle bay]

Oh for sure

I would even say close to 200

[indigo thicket]

i'm so used to 144Hz that 60Hz just feels like laggy and stuttery to me in games now lol

but i'll play singleplayer stuff at 60Hz if it won't run faster on max settings just for the eye candy

probably in any multiplayer game it makes some difference

[little osprey]

@lyric knoll eyy mugen 5, same cooler i run 👍

[gentle bay]

I sed

Also

i looked at the bench mark thing

Upon closer inspection of the bar graph

i decided to ignore one outlier of 0 fps

so on average its close to like 215 on average

[indigo thicket]

damn

[gentle bay]

for my cpu + gpu

yeah

on 1080p, and max settings

[indigo thicket]

i'm not sure how good the cheap IPS monitors even are, i haven't seen one before

[gentle bay]

wow wtf, i get close to 300 won 720p

Yeah i might just risk it

[little osprey]

i'm considering getting an old CRT monitor (with a signal adapter of course) because i read that they have superior resolution scaling and can thus run lower resolutions with very little difference in quality

catch me hitting engine framerate caps at max settings by running at 480p lol

[indigo thicket]

yeah since they don't have a set array of pixels like an LCD

[little osprey]

exactly

[indigo thicket]

the best ones are the ones that can go to super high res

so you can use that for desktop stuff, but still play games on like 480p

lol

[gentle bay]

Wait

[little osprey]

yeah! only problem is uh. finding one.

[indigo thicket]

yeah

[gentle bay]

My 1660 ti should be compatible with a 3600x, right

[little osprey]

yeah it should be

[gentle bay]

ok just making sure

I guess no one benched their computer

[indigo thicket]

are there high refresh CRTs?

[gentle bay]

1660 ti + 3600x for LoL

[little osprey]

i saw ebay had a fair few crts available. not sure high refresh rate crts exist, though as long as they can pull framerates above like 45 we're all good

(at least, i am, because low standards lol)

[indigo thicket]

my high school computer lab had like one 32-40" CRT that was like 4k resolution, it was amazing

[little osprey]

no way, i didn't think they got above like 720p

[indigo thicket]

check this one, 1440p 80Hz https://www.cnet.com/products/sony-gdm-fw900/

[keen steeple]

Holy

[indigo thicket]

they sell for $1000-2000 on ebay lol

i'm not finding on like the one my computer lab had

maybe it was a TV or something

hmm no a TV would have had component and not worked with a computer

[gentle bay]

What kind of boujee school did u go to

lmao

[dry tinsel]

that is pretty bougie

also the resolution wasn't 4K if it was a CRT

those don't exist

it was probably standard 480i/480p and you thought it was really nice resolution because it was the best looking TV you'd seen

we had these monochrome composite monitors for our apple IIe computers when i was in school

play like oregon trail and number munchers and math blaster in glorious glowing-green phosphor monochrome

it was okay because it acted like a black and white TV

[gentle bay]

Interesting

[dry tinsel]

it showed shades instead of colors

[gentle bay]

Dang

ur old

jkjk

LBSBABS

[dry tinsel]

i'm only 36

those computers back then were really cool though

[gentle bay]

On second thought

thats a drastic change in tech

thats pretty cool

Ah

We use computers to look up Quizlets for quiz/test answers now a days

lol

[dry tinsel]

the worst was when in junior high all they wanted to let us do on computers was typing tutor

[gentle bay]

thats awful

typing tutor

[dry tinsel]

in the classroom we had macs, but only a few

i always stole the power mac

[indigo thicket]

it was definitely more than 1000 pixels tall, idk though

[gentle bay]

damn

[indigo thicket]

it was 4:3

[gentle bay]

oh

thats cool

i got a question though

With my build

can i always add on a Saumsung 970 NVMe 500 gb or Samsung 970 Plus NVMe 500 gb

i dont know why i would need to

but yeah

[indigo thicket]

you mean for your boot drive?

it's easier if you start with the boot drive first, but i just moved from a SATA SSD to an M.2 NVMe SSD no problem with Samsung's data migration software

i've heard of other people having problems moving to an M.2 drive though

[gentle bay]

I mean like

We spice it up

I keep my 1 tb Samsung evo 860

[dry tinsel]

970 plus is a faster drive

[gentle bay]

And then add on a 970 plus

Im saying

can i use both SSD drivers at once

Like im collecting infinity stones

[indigo thicket]

you'd want to move windows to the 970 when you put it in since it's faster, but yeah you'd be able to use both

[dry tinsel]

of course you can use both SSDs at once

and yeah you'd want most of everything on the 970

as much as you can

[indigo thicket]

personally i'd get the 970 evo now and add a storage drive later

[gentle bay]

Too late

The 860 1tb is en route

I will think about the 970 layers

Later

I dont need it right now

[dry tinsel]

i'm getting a 2TB mushkin pilot

[indigo thicket]

yeah, i went from a WD blue to a 970 personally

[gentle bay]

Hmm

[indigo thicket]

and now use the WD as storage

[dry tinsel]

the mushkin pilot is slow

[gentle bay]

Ill add on the 970 later on

[dry tinsel]

but it's $200 for 2TB

well it's slow for NVMe

[gentle bay]

2 tb of what though

:^)

[indigo thicket]

SSDs are almost equal in cost to HDDs now, crazy

[gentle bay]

yes

[indigo thicket]

at least on the low capacity end

[gentle bay]

Bye bye cryto mining

i need my pc

[indigo thicket]

past like 1tb the HDDs start to look way more attractive

[gentle bay]

Wait so

would i literally have to tell my bios

to use the 970 more

[indigo thicket]

you'd want to clone your drive to the 970, and then yeah go into bios and tell it to boot from the 970

then once you boot to the 970 you could reformat your other drive

[gentle bay]

Sounds complicated

[indigo thicket]

yeah

[gentle bay]

hope the guy building my pc knows what hes doing

[indigo thicket]

lol

[gentle bay]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

All of this just to play like 4 games

jesus

5

I cant forget about roblox

😴

[indigo thicket]

you could just forget about NVMe drives and keep adding cheap SATA drives and your life will be simpler

[gentle bay]

Ah yes

Another 860 to my collection

Or the sata pro thing

i could use that

From samssunf

[indigo thicket]

sata pro?

[gentle bay]

Holdd on

860 Pro sata ssd

512 gb

By samsung

waitnvm

thats a down grade

the sata pro is trash

Mind as well stick with 860 Evo

[indigo thicket]

or just throw another one of these in whenever you need more storage https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-1tb/p/N82E16820250092

[gentle bay]

Maybe

or another 860 evo

10 dollar difference

[indigo thicket]

yeah the m.2 is just less work to install since there's no cables

[gentle bay]

Okay fair enough

Very fair

But how complicated

would it be

if i got a 970

like would it take a whole

while

to confogure

configure

[indigo thicket]

i mean you could just have it as a 2nd drive but then you'd be wasting the speed if you didn't use it as a boot drive

[gentle bay]

with my 860

Ah

So would it be better to install the 970 first

then have the 860 2nd

So the 970 would boot

and the 860 would just be the wing man

[indigo thicket]

that would be the simplest

but you can move to the 970 when you get it, that's what i did

it's just more complicated

[gentle bay]

What if i move up to the 970

Then add on the 860

😎👌

LMAO

[indigo thicket]

lol

[still roost]

Sung Hyun Yu#0879 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[gentle bay]

Well shoot

[indigo thicket]

it's your life, live it how you want :p

[gentle bay]

I probably shouldve just gotten the regular 970

I mean

i will gladly take tips

i just

Am stupid

i need reasons why to do or not to

do

[indigo thicket]

you could drop 2 RGB fans and get the 970 now

[gentle bay]

Wait but

What

[indigo thicket]

you're only putting a 1660 in there it's not that much heat

[gentle bay]

oh

[indigo thicket]

2 RGB fans in front, put the stock ones in back/top or something

[gentle bay]

Maybe

i could do that

But ot be fair

im not assembling this till like January

tbh

for all the parts to come in

and just overall me trying to work

Hmm

Hey keegan

i really appreciate the help

nad the tips

but idk

i like this plan weve constructed

via my pc part link

im most likely gonna stick with it

i just have to allot the money now

[indigo thicket]

good luck, happy building

even if you aren't the one building lol

[jaunty karma]

Elli

Ehloo

[gentle bay]

thanks Keegan, will do

[crystal pagoda]

The mobos for the new Ryzen CPUs are so pricey. Anyone know when cheaper boards are coming out?

[muted patio]

$100-150 is pricey?

[crystal pagoda]

More like 175 minimum.

[muted patio]

Nah

If you don't need PCI-E 4.0 a good B450 board is $100-150

[little osprey]

am i missing anything

[little osprey]

First of all, you do not need the thermal paste because the cpu comes with it

Second, your should probably get the 3600x instead of the 2700x

@little osprey

You also should get 16 ram but at a 3600 instead of 3000

i looked into that the 3600 is nearly double

the cpu not the ram

i looked into ram speeds and the difference is negligible for the price jump

i can make up for the lost fps by using all four ram slots somehow that increases performance

i guess it would be quad channel idk

[muted patio]

3600 is 189

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3600-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B07STGGQ18

[little osprey]

@little osprey Ryzen likes fast ram so instead of 32 your should get 16 but faster

16 3600 ram is cheaper than 32 3000 ram

[cursive wharf]

@little osprey Samsung is overpriced. Don't get them unless for Pro or 4tb QVO SSD cuz those are the only worth purchases. For NVMe go Sabrent Rocket and SATA go SunBow x3

[deep skiff]

^ and on saw the rocket is a hella good deal

[little osprey]

Hey im about to put so money down on a gaming pc I wanted opinions on my build and see if I should just go for the 2080ti or 2070 super

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NwCgn7

[deep skiff]

for 1080p 144hz?

[little osprey]

Yeah, I am a csgo player mainly maybe a little siege but just really csgo I will also be streaming with it

[deep skiff]

A 2080 ti is overkill for 1080p, but if you changed some stuff like this, you could run 1440p and it’d look sharper

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8kRC8M

[little osprey]

Okay so I wouldnt need the extra fans? also what would you recommend for a second monitor

also what GPU does with it?

also this might sound crazy but what if i wanted to do a 4 monitor setup dont ask me why lol

[old charm]

does it matter which SATA you plug your hard drive into?

[little osprey]

Not really, im not sure what the differences would be but my m.2 was gonna be my main i was maybe even planning to get a 2tb Samsung m.2

Okay, lets do this then lets build a 1250 to 1500 dollar pc and see what happens

[limpid merlin]

@little osprey dont get trident z ram if your worried about cost.. it's super overpriced

[little osprey]

Sata port can matter, e.g. chipset ports vs asmedia controller ports.

okay

hmm

What if I did a like a i5-76k with a 1660ti?

Most modern mobo have at least 4 chipset sata, often more, z390 has 6. Z390 dark has 6 chipset + 2 more on an asmedia controller iirc.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gZDh7T @little osprey @limpid merlin

what about this?

[limpid merlin]

If your streaming too I'd say go r5 3500, dont get that samsung nvme you'll never notice the extra speed it gives over a $100ish nvme, dont get windows liscense buy one on ebay or use unactivated

[little osprey]

ok

[limpid merlin]

With that money you should be able to get something like a 5700, 5700xt, or 2070s

[little osprey]

So would it be possible to get a steady 144hz on it? only game i play is csgo

whats nvme?

[limpid merlin]

Yes

Csgo can get 144fps on a potato

I get 100+ with a i5 3570 and a gtx 1050

[little osprey]

ok

so just change the gpu to 5700, 5700xt, or 2070s? and then get a cheaper m.2?

[limpid merlin]

And drop the windows liscense

Buy one off ebay for like $5 or just run unactivated

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jVTt3t

so does that look good?

[limpid merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dpfv4n
I'd go with this

(Might want to change the 660p to a different nvme as I've heard meh things about it)

[little osprey]

whats the 660?

[limpid merlin]

The ssd

[little osprey]

ok

[limpid merlin]

Idk what exactly is bad with it but I remember seeing a couple people her saying not to go with it

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/trCgn7

^

thats what I got

@limpid merlin who's cheaper

what would be a good gaming monitor that not to expensive but 144hz and 1ms

[cursive wharf]

Go AMD
Samsung SSDs are overpriced
CXM is worse than CX due to fan/coil whine. Get CX

[limpid merlin]

Dont always look for 1ms monitors, that is usually not the real response time. On top of that no human has 1ms or close response times

But you can usually find 1080p 144hz monitors for like $150

[little osprey]

ok

[limpid merlin]

I'd say just use my parts list as it has a case with better airflow, and the psu has more protections

[little osprey]

@cursive wharf whats a good m.2 then?

[cursive wharf]

Inwin PSU has a misconfigured multi rail pretty sure

Wasn't a super amazing PSU is what I remember when looking at it

@little osprey Sabrent Rocket, 1tb for $120 is the only price I remember off the top of my head

Better than 660p due to cache

[limpid merlin]

I'm trying to edit my pcpp list rn but mobile is aids

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZGYb27

[little osprey]

Alright

[cursive wharf]

Eh, $80 gets you 1tb SATA SSD last I checked

Which unless you need NVMe might as well SATA

[little osprey]

okay, so 1250 for that I have about 400 for my monitors and desk> recommendations? I would like a duel monitor setup

[cursive wharf]

Also note, AIOs are generally worse or the same in noise normalized perf compared to good air coolers

[old charm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex
does anyone know if this drive is SATA 2 OR SATA 3?

[cursive wharf]

SATA 3

[deep skiff]

sata 3

[sleek cradle]

would you pay 250$ for a b350 m gaming pro mother board, Ryzen 5 1500x, apevia case wd black hdd 1tb

[little osprey]

so it would be 1500 instead?

[sleek cradle]

its a 1500 x

[little osprey]

im remodeling my whole room so I am on a budget for a new pc and room I am planning to use around 2k for it all

[sleek cradle]

the pc

[little osprey]

full pc setup

[deep skiff]

if you lived near a microcenter, you could get a 2600+b450+1tb hdd, but its not a bad deal but i bet you could find a better one if you looked longer @sleek cradle

[little osprey]

puddles gets it. 1ms on the box is like 95w on the 9900k box

I am 30 minutes from a micro center

would it be worth it to go check it out

[sleek cradle]

i got aa good pc but i need to sell my other one and idk how much i should sell it for

yes

@little osprey

[little osprey]

What is it?

I just need to be able to play csgo at 144hz and able to stream at the same time

[sleek cradle]

they have like every comp-uter part ever

[deep skiff]

here's 2600 bundles at microcenter rn @little osprey https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=0&NTX=&NR=&filterProperty=&NTT=ryzen+2600&NTK=all&page=1&sortby=pricelow&SortNow=Go

[little osprey]

I wont be playing at 1920x1080

[sleek cradle]

csgo is the easiest game to run you should be fine with anything abbove like a gtx 1060

[deep skiff]

you could probably get a 2600+motherboard+1tb ssd for $250

[little osprey]

I had a 1060 but it would just freeze randomly i was told it might of been due to it maybe being a bad gpu or motherboard

Ill go to micro center and check it out

[deep skiff]

here's what i'd suggest

mobo+cpu https://www.microcenter.com/product/5002559/-amd-ryzen-5-2600-with-wraith-stealth-cooler,-gigabyte-b450-aorus-m-cpu---motherboard-bundle

storage (1tb ssd) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073QN8KL4?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

for the same price, you could get a newer cpu with 6c/12t instead of 4c/8t and motherboard, and a much faster 1tb drive

[old charm]

this cable stuff is so confusing

so you want the highest pcie you can get if you've got it?

[tranquil dust]

i might rebuild my pc when we move

should i?

[limpid merlin]

@little osprey it's not just that the monitor isnt true 1ms...literally no person on earth has fast enough reaction times to even need that

[little osprey]

not about reaction time alone. Pixel response time can benefit from 1ms true grey to grey / near 1000hz scan rate in some uses. But I'm sure the limit is out there somewhere.

[little osprey]

You're right though, 1ms out of the 150-250 ms reaction time typically seen is tiny.

[old charm]

what do i plug in there?

that's my SSD

[limpid merlin]

Sata power left

[little osprey]

sata power/sata data

[limpid merlin]

Sata data right

[old charm]

nothing came with my SSD so I don't think I have that

that's why we are confused

[limpid merlin]

You motherboard or psu should have the data data and the psu should've had sata power

[old charm]

do i need a secure connect cable to connect that or does it just come with the psu?

because isn't that not a normal SATA connection?

or is it actually just that 8 pin connector off to the side there?

[silver meteor]

Hai

Need help

[limpid merlin]

sata power is the 15 pin connector on the far left and the sata data in the 7 pin to the right of that...the 8 pins on the far left are jumpers and aren't needed

@old charm

[silver meteor]

So basically, I’m building myself a new PC this Christmas with these specs:
R7 3800X (stock cooler)
2070 Super
And my case is an NZXT H510. I don’t have the budget for any other fans than the stock case fans, and I’m really concerned about the thermals; will there be anything I can do to cool it down?

[deep skiff]

the h series doesn't really have anything that can improve stock a lot, thermals aren't the best but it doesn't choke the pc components

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ixFt7h8fak

[old charm]

so I'm just gonna pay someone to do the wiring for me lolz

I'm too scared of frying anything

they even had a $700 pc in there that someone wired wrong and subseuquetnly fried

[gentle bay]

yikes

[steep elbow]

Rate my list for a $860 ish PC
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700

Motherboard: MSI B450 Tomohawk

Ram: Corsair Vengence LPX 16 gb (2 x 8gb) DDR4 3000

SSD: Samsung Evo 500gb M.2

GPU: raedon Rx 5700 8gb

Case: Thermaltake V200 RGB ATX mid tower

PSU: EVGA 500 BQ

[stoic island]

Samsung is expensive, go sabrent rocket if you can

BQ seems pretty bad

[patent sail]

TRUEEUEUUEEUEU

[little osprey]

helping someone make a super low budget pc and guess what

they bought a cpu cooler, instead of saving the cash by sticking with the stock cooler

[sharp plaza]

^ dats me

[brittle ibex]

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor

Team T-Force Vulcan Z 16 (2x8 GB) DDR4 3200

EVGA 500 W1 80+ White 500W Power Supply

XFX Radeon RX 570 DirectX 12 RX-570P8DFD6 8GB 256-bite DDR5 PCI Express 3.0 CrossfireX Support Video Card

Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5 Internal Hard Drive

Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD

MSI Performance Gaming AMD X470 Ryzen 2 AMD4 DDR4

[little osprey]

Go for a 600w power supply

And maybe consider a rx 580

[deep skiff]

i'd go with the b450 tomahawk max, and a cheaper nvme drive like the sabrent rocket

[stoic island]

I dont like that ram

[deep skiff]

whats wrong with it?

[stoic island]

I have it and it isn't stable at 3200mhz

[deep skiff]

hm

might be bad bins

[stoic island]

prob

but it really hurts to have to use it at like 2666mhz

[deep skiff]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820231941? heres a kit i found thats looks solid

and pretty cheap

[muted patio]

Yes, that is good ram

I have their red kit in my machine right now at 3600 mhz

[stoic island]

yea thats good

[brittle ibex]

Is the tomahawk still compatible with the Rx570? I already bought it so I’d rather not have to change the graphics card but I can still change the motherboard

[tidal gorge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/quinnhaygood/saved/#view=HmbFGX wanted to know if anyone could give me input on this

[fleet talon]

Hello again Bekora lol. Still a little concerned about my idle temps. Wondering if my fan setup would affect anything. I have my rad fans blowing in, a fan on top blowing in, and a fan at the back blowing out. Should I change the top fan to blow out as well?

[muted patio]

Yes

[silver meteor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WWwjn7

Final build

[floral tree]

Wish I had money for a decent build

[copper mural]

ikr

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/gavinsdreams/saved/L6jgJx

[silver meteor]

Hey guys

[muted patio]

Threw together my current machine for grins and giggles

Had no idea what I had into it lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d4QBq3

[fleet talon]

Now hovering around 36c idle :P

[muted patio]

Better eh?

[sudden turret]

pbo on or off?

[fleet talon]

I turned it back on. Was off for a bit

[sudden turret]

ah

I know my 3700x has wonky idle temps

[lime forge]

maybe its because its better than the next 2 cpus up

lol

[sudden turret]

I turn pbo off, set to 4.3ghz, volts 1.3 and I get nice steady temps

and a lot lower temps all around

but if I go auto everything, things get weird

[fleet talon]

Yeah, this is my cpu-z bench. I'm comfortable with the results. I tried OCing my RAM, but the "fast" settings that the Ryzen DRAM Calculator give gives errors in memtest
https://valid.x86.fr/clqgir

[sand kayak]

Yo found a computer for 500 can u tell me if it's worth it

@anyone

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321097407146491925/656316284019015691/Screenshot_20191216-210619.png

[deep skiff]

live near a microcenter @sand kayak ?

[rough loom]

b350m is iffy

[sand kayak]

? Idk what that is

[deep skiff]

its a store

with really good deals on pc parts

does it have a case or a psu?

[muted patio]

That's pretty much the price of the parts buying new right now

$100 GPU, $80 CPU, $60 mobo

Not really a deal

[deep skiff]

heres a much better build for less with those parts, if has a case and psu it would be a better deal

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2RrWcq

[cursive wharf]

A full PC with those specs could be made for $550 new, except GPU would be 1650S

pretty sure at least

[floral tree]

Is 1650S any good?

I’ve never really heard of that

[muted patio]

1650 SUper

[sand kayak]

Yes

[floral tree]

It’s good for the price?

[sand kayak]

Idk I am asking yall

[floral tree]

What’s the price

[sand kayak]

450

[floral tree]

No Mobo, CPU RAM or GPU

[sand kayak]

No what?

[floral tree]

Sorry wasn’t on the pic

[little osprey]

So

[rough loom]

personally I dont like the build. Its hard to expand a build in a mini itx case

350m board means limited upgrade path

[little osprey]

I need a 800 dollar build that works for csgo and streaming! I am wanting to stream csgo a lot! If someone could help me that would be awesome p.s. rgb is fire

[sand kayak]

Yes that's what I was thinking

[little osprey]

redrum is on letgo

[rough loom]

1st gen ryzen is gonna be slow

[sand kayak]

Ok bet

[floral tree]

It is only $450 but yeah the one nuclear nachos recommended is better

[little osprey]

So I found a 1080ti on letgo for 90 dollars it said it was used for mining should I get it

[rough loom]

for 90 bucks its probably broke

[little osprey]

yeah true

[rough loom]

if its even real

[floral tree]

Yeah mining takes a toll on a GPU

[little osprey]

true

Anyone got a suggestion for a 800 rig for csgo and streaming

[sand kayak]

Okay this is really helping because I have never used a gaming PC or had one but I want to get one so I can stream and I don't want to spend more than 800 I also would like to have the accessories that come with it monitor keyboard mouse I have the headset

[cursive wharf]

@sand kayak smells like a bad PSU

Seasonic 80+ bronze

probably M12 or S12 Seasonic PSU, which is bad

[floral tree]

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/thTBD3

Solid build

[cursive wharf]

no, not really

CPU overpriced, mobo is probably overpriced (if it had a price), RAM overpriced, GPU overpriced, PSU is bad

[muted patio]

From June of 2018?

[floral tree]

Alright

[cursive wharf]

pretty sure an AMD build would've been better option even at that point. Apart from that tho, it's decent for a build at that time

also RX580 wouldve been cheaper as well

[oblique karma]

What is the best price per performance processor?

[exotic lichen]

My specs in a year 32 gigs of ddr4 3200 ram, 5700 xt and a 3700

If the job promises tbh e money as advertised

I will begood

[lime forge]

woooo

:D

[unkempt niche]

Hello everyone i am wondering what kind of monitor would be good enough for me to buy but i’m not really sure what to choose since my father built this pc so i’m not sure what will go best with the build he decided to go for. It’s all in spanish so i will try my best to write down what it’s trying to say
Type of adapter (assuming that’s the graphics card) : NVIDA GeForce GTC 1070
Information of the adapter~
Type of chip: GeForce GTX 1070
Type of DAC: Integrated RAMDAC
Information of the BIOS: Version86.4.50.0.63
I’m not sure what any of this means 😅

[rough loom]

either like 144 hz 1080p for high settings and high refreshrate. or a 1440p for medium/high settings with 60-90 fps depending on the game

[unkempt niche]

Would an processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-5820K cpu would be good with a 144hz 1080p?

[hybrid crest]

would CyberPowerPC - Gaming Desktop - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 8GB Memory - AMD Radeon RX 580 - 2TB HDD + 240GB SSD - Black be any good

guys?

[oblique karma]

Mentalgen?

[little osprey]

@hybrid crest meh

Cyberpower is meh

But really. It's the RX580

[hybrid crest]

what is it bad

really i just wanna okay stuff like minecraft tf2 skyrim hotline miani darksouls doom fnaf and like those types of games

[worldly estuary]

What do you do if you built your pc but it doesn't yurn on in the case but does turn on out of your case, now you might think its the standoffs, oh boy how wrong you would be, the standoffs are in the right positions. And it still wont turn on.
Help pls

[oblique karma]

Heatsink bracket grounding issue?

[muted patio]

Unplug everything when you put it in the case, including front panel USB, etc.

Plug stuff in until it doesn't work anymore

[worldly estuary]

1st build fail
I hate myself

It doesn't work only everytime i put it in the case

[eager chasm]

@wary brook that case looks familiar, is it the Rosewill Tyrfing?

🤔

[wary brook]

Let me check, it's rosewill though

Yes it is

Wonderful case

[eager chasm]

Yea I have that case, it's nice for lower and mid tier build but if you upgrade the front fans are a little choked for higher end systems

[wary brook]

It was fairly easy to build in

The cpu connecter wasn't easy

Mainly due to a weird cord though

And personal mistakes

[eager chasm]

Great budget case though

[wary brook]

Yeah

[eager chasm]

It served me well for 2 years

[wary brook]

Thinking of putting some fans in the top

Do you know which fans are exhaust and intake?

[eager chasm]

My sister is getting it with my hand me down system inmad e for her with my old parts

[wary brook]

Cus I noticed the front fans have to get air from the side

[eager chasm]

All fans are both

[wary brook]

What?

[eager chasm]

In take in the front and out in the top and back

[wary brook]

Ok

Think I'll add an intake one for the top

Since I won't be water cooling anytime soon

[eager chasm]

You flip fans over and they blow the other direction XD

No, you fans blowing out on the top

Hot air rises, you want to push it out the top

[wary brook]

Oh

So if I'm getting this right the fans I have are intake

And I don't have an exhaust

Idk

I plan to get another fan though

[eager chasm]

The pre installed fan in the back is also out

[wary brook]

Ok

Ty

[eager chasm]

It's just the front fans are a bit choked on that case cause there is mostly metal behind then

[wary brook]

Yeah, I figured the front fans would be choked

[eager chasm]

But like I said it's fine for lower end systems

[wary brook]

I plan on running a 1650 super and 2200g so it'll be fine

[eager chasm]

It worked for my 3700X and Radeon VII, they were still at 78C

[wary brook]

Is 78 not bad?

[eager chasm]

It's high but not really dangerous

[wary brook]

Sorry I'm fairly new

[latent bronze]

Ryo are you going to build your bartop arcade now lol

[eager chasm]

No XD

[latent bronze]

Didn't you watch the easy video?

[eager chasm]

Nope, I just thought it was cool to sit next to one at a lan

[latent bronze]

Well when i build one i am going to use a 27" LCD display and have sliders on the side to include 2 more joysticks (with 3 buttons only) to latch on

majority of 4 player action games tend to only use 2 to 3 buttons

[eager chasm]

The most annoying thing about my new case is there is no space for any size RAD anywhere cause there would be no clearance for it

So I couldn't get an AIO even if I wanted

Guess that's what I get for picking up a smaller mid tower lol

[latent bronze]

Love my case i have room for a 240mm rad lol

[eager chasm]

The CPU power is pinched by my top case fan, there is no clearance at all XD

I also keep thinking "where's my side panel" ... Cause I'm a dork and not used to glass

[latent bronze]

This is why i said my case has room for a 240mm rad https://images10.newegg.com/BizIntell/item/11/147/11-147-298/b7-03_050619.jpg

[tropic dagger]

Can I get your guys opinion on a build I'm doing. I didn't really have much time to research this. Parts are ordered so I'm kind of committed but I could always get something else coming

[eager chasm]

Oh is that the Asus 1060 6GB OC edition?

I have that exact card

[latent bronze]

No clue just an image i took from newegg

[eager chasm]

xD it is

[latent bronze]

my GPU is thicc lol

[eager chasm]

@tropic dagger go ahead, many people here like to help with builds

[latent bronze]

Also i am not joking https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-gtx-1660-06g-p4-1161-kr/p/N82E16814487437

[eager chasm]

Wow a 2.5 slot single fan XD

Nice

[latent bronze]

max temps i get is 60c on load

[eager chasm]

Nice

I still get like 75/76 on extreme cases, but overall my temps are WAY lower with the better airflow in the new case

[latent bronze]

If you have had your GPU for a long time it might be time to change the thermal paste so you would be more in the 60's

[eager chasm]

Never

It's got a graphite

[tropic dagger]

3600x, msi5700, msi mpg x570, samsung 970m2 3x4, corsair rmx870 ps, liam li pc011 case

[latent bronze]

One thing i learned recently with Asus cards is they use really cheap paste

[eager chasm]

My Asus card is my old one, already changed the paste, but my current card is a VII and they never need new paste cause they come with a graphite pad

[latent bronze]

Wait you're using the jet engine Radeon VII?

[eager chasm]

@tropic dagger you don't really need an X570 board for a 3600X, B550 will work if you wanna save a bit

[latent bronze]

MSI B450 Max boards

[eager chasm]

@latent bronze yep, but it's default thermal solution is actually pretty good

Yea B450 boards to save even more money

[latent bronze]

B550 isn't even out yet

well they are but on OEM machines

[eager chasm]

🤔

Ah

My bad

[tropic dagger]

ok I was talked out of the 3700 that was after I had selected that board

[eager chasm]

🤔 what will you be doing?

Cause a 3700 is a nice CPU, but definitely overkill for average use

[tropic dagger]

kids gaming but wanted to future proof some. going to high school next year no idea what he will get into

[eager chasm]

I only got one cause occasionally I have actual use cases for it

Ah, right then, no need for a 3700

[tropic dagger]

so where is money best spent for gaming, vc I assume. is cpu and chipset not near as important

[latent bronze]

3950X would be overkill

[eager chasm]

No gaming(almost) or high school work will ever need a 3700

[limber gazelle]

agree

3600 is even future proof..

[eager chasm]

CPU is important for gaming, but 8 cores is over kill

[limber gazelle]

b450/b470 will give you lot of option already

[gentle bay]

Oh i forgot to ask

[tropic dagger]

ok so I spent an extra 100 for the 570 is there anything to be gained by it or should I order a differnt board and return it

[gentle bay]

How long do rbg fans last

[eager chasm]

@tropic dagger if you already have the board don't worry about it

[latent bronze]

Anything Zen+ and above is future proofing

[limber gazelle]

i think he means on his cart

[tropic dagger]

no mention about the 5700 I assume msi makes decent cards

[eager chasm]

It's a decent card, no arguments or complaints about it

What RAM are you getting?

Or already got

[tropic dagger]

3 120 corsair fans ok if not oc?

[limber gazelle]

recently, there are alot of budget (but latest parts) videos. you can check them out for more reference.

[tropic dagger]

16G corasir 3200

[eager chasm]

Nice

And yea 3 fans should be good

[tropic dagger]

so what does a person gain by say going with the 3700 and 4000 ram and etc

it would have been about 400 more to max everything out from the ram and ssd. would the gaming be perceptively better or just allow you have more going on in the background while playing at highest settings

[eager chasm]

A 3700 or 3700X is more for heavy work loads like 3D modeling/rendering, Video Editing, High quality streaming, some forms of programming

[tropic dagger]

so i could have gotten by with much less

[eager chasm]

Yes

[tropic dagger]

Damn Im into this thing for about 1700

[eager chasm]

If you already have the parts don't worry it will last you for years

[tropic dagger]

just placed order with new egg

[eager chasm]

Don't worry about it if you already ordered

It sounds like a very Nice PC

[tropic dagger]

I hope he appreciates it

[eager chasm]

Sounds like it's future proofed for getting into any hobbies or careers for such workloads

[tropic dagger]

ok one last thing just so Ill know are there better cpu for gaming or just ones that are good enough for gaming

[eager chasm]

Way better way to thing about it

The CPUs for gaming are in a weird spot at the moment. It used to be that 4c/4t was enough but that's been less the case so now most tech outlets are recommending Ryzen 5 with 6c/12t, curent i5s are a bit cheaper but are only 6c/6t and you usually need to buy a cooler for them anyway.

So for the value and the gaming performance Ryzen 5 is overkill but the best value anyway

[tropic dagger]

ok so I wasnt too far off the deep end

[eager chasm]

The people who went off the deep end are AMD, pushing massive performance and great value over the last few years XD

It's the best time to build a PC in years

[tropic dagger]

alright thanks guys. Time for bed

[eager chasm]

Well take care

[thorn prism]

What's the smallest case on newegg? That isn't the Matrexx 30?

[latent bronze]

Look up mATX cases

[jaunty karma]

G.Skill is giving away 16GB 3600MHz Trident Z Neo

[latent bronze]

there is also some ITX cases that can fit a mATX board

[jaunty karma]

8x2

[latent bronze]

meh

[thorn prism]

Suggestions?

Oh wait.

[eager chasm]

@thorn prism what form factor?

That's important cause too small and depending on the motherboard stuff won't fit

[thorn prism]

Micro ATX

Somethin nice and clean lookin.

[eager chasm]

I see

https://www.newegg.com/black-cooler-master-masterbox-q300l-micro-atx/p/N82E16811119331

This seems to be about as small as they get for that

Or the one you said

[thorn prism]

Anything similar?

[eager chasm]

DIYPC M28 is about as small as actual mid towers get, but that's larger

And no nothing smaller without going into DTX and ITX form factors

MATX is pretty much just a shorter ATX with less PCIe so the cases are just a bit shorter from top to bottom

Usually

This is about as short as cases get from front to back, without removing the conventional HDD cage. Cause PSU, power cables, and HDDs all need to fit.

The only thing MATX can make smaller is the top to bottom and MAYBE the depth a bit

[thorn prism]

I Might go with the Q300l.

[eager chasm]

Sadly Micro ATX ia a bit limited

Cause you can just stick them in an ATX tower

And there isn't a massive size difference

[thorn prism]

You just have more space to put random stuff.

Just by a bit

[dry tinsel]

i went with a mini-ITX form factor

but i'm using a regular mini-mini tower case to run it, so i'm not missing out on anything except PCIe slots on the motherboard

but i'm drastically reducing the size of the PC and making it lighter and easier to move around

it also looks cool as it's a define series case

[shadow flume]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/cpu-overclocking-world-records?fbclid=IwAR0sgPflHw4g2LDV5O7Zy6U8KynPKuQJTqVmJs2oBm5gQRR5hQyZ-vWX_U4

[eager chasm]

how are WD Blue SSDs for boot drives?

either 2.5 or SATA m.2 cause they are the same price

[sudden turret]

I'd say something, but then get yelled at

so I'll say this

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[feral thistle]

yells at

[eager chasm]

Box, please, looking for a 1/2 decent budget boot drive for my sister

XD

[feral thistle]

m.2 is faster and apparently they have decent ratings

[eager chasm]

no, SATA m.2, not NVMe

[sudden turret]

I know, we had this conversation earlier.

😄

[eager chasm]

SATA in the M.2 form factor still has the SATA limitation on speed

[sudden turret]

just a fancy ssd

[eager chasm]

people seems to like the WD blue SSDs well enough, but is it a good boot drive?

[sudden turret]

what is your budget

50?

[eager chasm]

it's right at the top of streching the budget to $60 while it's on sale

I'm also willing to go 250GB

[sudden turret]

can you go nvme or no

cause there is a killer deal on one

https://www.newegg.com/xpg-sx8200-pro-256gb/p/0D9-0017-000W2

50% off

[eager chasm]

lay it on me, I have a heat spreader for NVMe to spare

my old EK NVMe heat spreader XD

[sudden turret]

that is a great ssd

[compact latch]

@eager chasm yes the m.2 SSD wwd blue is a great drive only 10mb slower than a 860evo. It's worth the money I got mine for 60 bucks. My buddy has his has a boot drive and absolutely loves it I have it in my build for games

[eager chasm]

I might go for the more expensive, slower but larger capacity, my sister will like the size more than the speed

[compact latch]

We both have the 500gb version

@eager chasm that last sentence by itself is hilarious 😂

[eager chasm]

[sudden turret]

[eager chasm]

thanks for pointing that out about me talking about my sister... I need brain bleach now

[compact latch]

😂😂ey man you said it not me. That's some Alabama stuff right there

[stoic island]

@bronze python What did you do to get pinged so much?

looks like 40

[bronze python]

I'm not sure

Probably cocaine

[stoic island]

okay then

thats quite interesting because you responded quickly to this ping

[bronze python]

I think it's bc I never check announcements

[stoic island]

ah

I just get bothered by pings

so I check every one

[bronze python]

I'm never on discord so I have notifications off for it bc I just call friends

[stoic island]

On mobile it gets annoying because any ping from anywhere shows up at all times at the top left with a red bubble

PC isn't that annoying

[tranquil dust]

What’s the 8 pin thing to the right of hard drive Sata ports

[stoic island]

power I assume

is it like really flat lookin

[tranquil dust]

But sata already gives you power???

[stoic island]

lemme see if I can find a better image

if I remember correctly

might be other way around

prob not what you're asking now that I read it again xD

8pin...?...

[floral tree]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CVBhP6/zotac-geforce-gtx-1650-super-4-gb-twin-fan-video-card-zt-t16510f-10l

is this a good build?

[stoic island]

Just talking about the GPU?

[stoic island]

@floral tree Did you mean to link a entire build or do did you mean to link just a GPU

@tranquil dust Look at what iambox sent

[sudden turret]

https://atola.com/products/insight/manual/serial-port-connection.html

if you want to learn more ^

[floral tree]

oh oops

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[lavish beacon]

Curious about the 3700x temperatures. I just bought one for my new build but I've heard they run hot, I'm using a scythe mugen rev and not planning to OC it for a while, but I want to know if the temps will be generally stable and the mugen rev will be sufficient if I do decide to OC, or should I get a noctua

[sudden turret]

if you want to OC you'll need a better cooling solution.

I've got the 3700x and temps are a little weird, as far as jumping around.. but that is the PBO on.

if I turn it off and manually adjust the voltage it gets lower and idles out better.

[lavish beacon]

But I should expect high temps on idle out of the box?

[sudden turret]

it'll probably be warmer than what you're used to, but it's completely normal for that cpu.

like the 1.45volts lol

example:

I sit between 30-40c idle, but also custom water loop

tied in with a gpu

[floral tree]

I accidentally sent the PC part picker page for the GPU

[lavish beacon]

Ok

[dry tinsel]

what is PBO?

[sudden turret]

precision boost

[dry tinsel]

and it just changes voltage for you dynamically?

[sudden turret]

its like an auto overclock in real time

[dry tinsel]

awesome

[sudden turret]

you'd have to read up on it

[dry tinsel]

i'll be using that when i get my 2600 set up

[sudden turret]

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2018/08/13/understanding-precision-boost-overdrive-in-three-easy-steps

[dry tinsel]

neat

i never knew about that when i had a terrible ryzen 3 2200G

would've given me some leverage

[floral tree]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ so can someone tell me if this is a good build please

[dry tinsel]

you've gotta link the precise list

click the longer URL down there and right click and hit copy

that will just link my own build to me

[floral tree]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mDXZcq

[dry tinsel]

thanks

[floral tree]

sorry about that

[dry tinsel]

may i adjust the build? i know of some better RAM option

[floral tree]

sure

is it cheaper or is it just better

[dry tinsel]

it's $5 more or something

better quality, lower latency

i also stuck an M.2 SSD on there you may not want to keep, $20 more and 512GB instead of 480, and very fast by comparison to that sunbow you had

[floral tree]

cool thanks

[dry tinsel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nXfC8M

[stoic island]

Isnt 512gb usually only 500gb usable?

[floral tree]

is M.2 faster because it is connected straight to the motherboard or just because it is better hardware?

[dry tinsel]

still more usable than 480GB

it's connected straight to the PCIe bus

so it can be much faster

[floral tree]

ok

[sudden turret]

great for OS

[stoic island]

I think the interface is better too

[dry tinsel]

and all your programs and such

can go on there

maybe a choice game or two

[sudden turret]

reg SSD for gaming, you'll never bottleneck an SSD on gaming

[stoic island]

Unless you want to flex like 2 seconds faster load time

[dry tinsel]

i'm being a complete butt and buying a 2TB NVMe drive

[stoic island]

I'm going 1tb nvme 2tb hdd

[dry tinsel]

i have a 3TB HD

which should be fine

i want stuff that is frequently accessed on the M.2 though

[stoic island]

Ima primarily game w the m.2

[dry tinsel]

high performance

[stoic island]

Might but like footage n stuff on hdd

[dry tinsel]

to get dem frags

and yeah putting footage on HD is smart

[stoic island]

I can flex loading into the division 2 a few seconds faster than my friend >:)

[dry tinsel]

there's nothing better than loading extremely fast into something

[stoic island]

Division 2 is the only long loading time game I play I think lol

Oh wait GTA

[dry tinsel]

when you peep that SSD and realize it's bloody QLC

terrible

[stoic island]

Isn't intel 660p qlc?

[dry tinsel]

yeah

[stoic island]

Oof

[dry tinsel]

so is the sabrent rocket Q

[stoic island]

Cheap ssd gives you cheap endurance

[dry tinsel]

but the name makes it obvious

yeah

also oops my SSD is full

except like 20%

it's gonna slow way down

[stoic island]

I'm still mad at myself for buying a 512gb SATA m.2 ssd

Its so bad

I was just told to get m.2 :p

[proud helm]

is this good build:
Ryzen 7 1700x
Rx 580 8gb
16gb 3000mhz

[dry tinsel]

https://www.amazon.com/Inland-Premium-NVME-Internal-Drive/dp/B07X74M6PT/ this checks out

inland is pretty okay for flash stuff

[proud helm]

no inland is cheap company terrible endurance

[dry tinsel]

everything is telling me "you must spend all your money"

there is this mushkin pilot for $200 flat but this is not really the best time

anyway why not go for a ryzen 7 2700

also 3200MHz RAM to keep up with the infinity fabric

[little osprey]

Nah, Inland makes a competitive $100 ish TLC with a phison E12 controller, great bargain. IIRC it's Micron NAND

That said, that market has narrow "best" pick margins, with sales dropping the EX920 near 100, my fav, the 970 pro 512 for $120, etc

[proud helm]

@short laurel the ryzen 7 2700 is worse than the 1700x

[stoic island]

@proud helm ?

[proud helm]

it is

2700 is older

[stoic island]

What no

1700x is a generation older

[proud helm]

look up 2700 vs 1700x

[stoic island]

Pretty sure Zen+ has IPC gains

[proud helm]

1700x is slightly better

[stoic island]

I don't trust userbenchmark after they changed it to be single core focused

[proud helm]

clock speed 3.2ghz for 2700 while 1700x is 3.4

[stoic island]

Thats base clock

look at boost

[proud helm]

.1 difference

so what

[stoic island]

I need to look at it again but last time I checked, the boost for 2700 is 4.1ghz, boost for 1700x is like 3.5ghz

[proud helm]

oh

well

well 2700 is more expensive for similar performance

id say 1700x is a better buy

[stoic island]

I have a 2700

[proud helm]

i have a 1700x

[stoic island]

2700 is like 150 bucks, I think 1700x is more expensive

[proud helm]

oh well i got mine for sale on newegg lol'

for like 120

or something

[stoic island]

I'm not too sure but I think Zen+ might have IPC gains over Zen

2700 is 150$ rn, 1700x is 175$

[proud helm]

yea its weird

[stoic island]

newegg prices rn

and that 1700x doesn't include cooler

[proud helm]

well i got mine like a year ago and i saw that the 1700x was ceaper

yea i got hyper 212 evo

[stoic island]

2700 comes with a good stock cooler

[proud helm]

pc building is fun. I recently built a 1500 pc for a workstation for a business woman

their family rich

it was a ryzen 5 3600x

1050ti and 32gb ram

[stoic island]

(I built myself a ~1800$ pc and I don't think I count as rich)

[proud helm]

complete overkill of what shes doing but better than her previous all in one by 100x

no but like that same family i built a gaming pc thats 1000 for a 10 year old

who had that much money to spend

literal 10 year old

[stoic island]

1050ti seems

um

bad for 1500$ lol

[proud helm]

yea

ik

workstation

was more focused on cpu and ram

or no it was 1250 1500 including 4k monitor

i dont remembeer

[stoic island]

Well I guess its okay...

[proud helm]

dude

[stoic island]

but I think you still could've gotten better for the price of 1050ti

[proud helm]

it was 129.99

[stoic island]

like a 570

570 is like 120$

[proud helm]

1050ti lightly better and yes i was looking at that

but

family=rich who cares

[stoic island]

I just don't like any nvidia GPUs less than a 1650S in a semi-recent build

[proud helm]

yea

[stoic island]

AMD just dominates at lower price points

[proud helm]

agreed

[latent bronze]

For used yes

[proud helm]

uh no

[latent bronze]

for new i dk

[proud helm]

both used and new

bruh someone called amd the android of gaming

lmaoooo

on youtube

[latent bronze]

Well for new i would still go for the GTX 1650 Super

i did lowest to highest for new GPU's only and there are these prices for the RX 580 https://i.gyazo.com/89f395e3bca8494376d8293a7d753f5b.png

pretty much the same price as the GTX 1650 Super and the 1650S out performs that

[stoic island]

@latent bronze But like rx570 is like 120$

afaik nvidia has nothing that low that runs good

and also I do acknowledge 1650S being good-ish

[latent bronze]

If the 1650S does a lot better than the 580 i doubt buying a 570 would be any better

[stoic island]

I mean for 20% less expensive

[latent bronze]

and like what 40% less performance?

[stoic island]

afaik It was like 10-20% performance lost

[latent bronze]

10% is from the 580

[stoic island]

Looking at a benchmark test rn

570 loses 10% in battlefield

[latent bronze]

That is battlefield is more attuned for AMD cards

[stoic island]

570 has 10% more in deus ex

Far cry primal 570 loses like 4%

570 has 6% more in gear of war 4

570 loses 30% in gta

570 loses 60% in hitman 2

570 loses 70% in AC Odyssey

570 loses 14% in shadows of the tomb raider

570 loses <1% in Total war : war hammer

570 loses 15% in watch dogs 2

570 loses 20% in witcher 3

570 loses 20% in battlefront 2

[latent bronze]

You do know you're looking at averages as well right

[stoic island]

570 loses 28% in destiny 2

yep

Why would I not want to look at averages?

[latent bronze]

1% and .1% lows the 570 does tend to stutter

[stoic island]

?

[latent bronze]

That is the thing everyone looks at the average and not the 1% and .1% lows

[stoic island]

I've been told the 570 stutters were due to software and can be fixed

[latent bronze]

For an example Deus Ex MD could have like 10 frames more but if the lows are hitting the 20's and 30's that isn't really good cause it would be a stuttery mess

The thing i also found out for Deus EX MD for AMD cards you have to play it on a certain build in order for it not to freeze and crash

[stoic island]

then looking at 1% lows

570 is 20% ahead

in battlefield V

570 is 6% behind in Jedi fallen order

570 is 26% behind in control

(I thought that game was for rtx but ok)

[latent bronze]

Well https://i.gyazo.com/e66c9ac535d16bb1120a97de02a4045c.png

[stoic island]

570 is 20% behind in far cry new dawn

[latent bronze]

570 looks below on the 1% and the average

[stoic island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSnhAcsCwq4

[latent bronze]

and the reason why people only bench the 4gb model for the 570 is that is the more common one people would own or buy

[stoic island]

That is benching rx570 4g

[latent bronze]

https://youtu.be/04SwpnoCbnI?t=225

it is also time stamped

[stoic island]

it could be just different card idrk lemme see

also where is time stamps lol

[latent bronze]

when you click on the video it starts the benchmark charts

The person you linked i don't trust because he doesn't even go in the settings

[stoic island]

Nor does hardware unboxed lol

[latent bronze]

But at least he shows the GPU's for his video's

[stoic island]

also I want to know how they benchmark the cards bc that footage isn't the in-game benchmark afaik

[latent bronze]

in regards he is more of a trusted source

[stoic island]

I trust the guy I linked a bit better just because of the overlay

I'd rather watch the entire benchmark

[latent bronze]

The way they benchmark it is they do more than one run per card and then tally up the averages with the 1%

Also the game could play one way in a video and play out a lot different for you if you are also using a better CPU

[stoic island]

I don't know either's benchmarking methods enough to trust either

i7 8700k is all you need afaik

[latent bronze]

This is also why i benchmark my own games cause there are moments i could have better results than a video i watched

[stoic island]

It's all relative

I'd rather go with like a 120$ card that can do okay against a 150$ card

[latent bronze]

Id rather go for the card that will last longer

which is the 1650S

This is also why you would see on ebay more and more 570's and 580's being sold cause people are going for the 5700/5700XT's instead

[stoic island]

I'm not talking used

I mean completely new

120$ for rx 570

[latent bronze]

yes i know you are talking new but i am also saying the reason why people are also not buying them new and getting rid of them for used

cause really no one knows how long AMD will keep on supporting those GPU's for

[stoic island]

?

They'll keep supporting it as nvidia will support the 1650s

[latent bronze]

Well AMD and Nvidia after a certain series they will drop support so you can still play games just it wont play that well enough

You can have a 780 Ti and a 1060 side by side and the performance could be the same on paper but when there is no more supporting drivers for the 780 Ti the 1060 would perform better

[stoic island]

I would believe that AMD will keep drivers up for enough time as neccessary

its not like 570 is a 6 year old card

[latent bronze]

Well it is going to be a 3 year old card soon

[stoic island]

huh

didn't realise how many gererations ago 570 was

[latent bronze]

RX 570 came out in 2017

[deep skiff]

im pretty sure 7 year old cards are getting integer scaling

[latent bronze]

I believe it has been a year now since they dropped support for the HD 7000 series

R200 is not that far behind as well