But the bottleneck would be insane
#building-and-recc-chat
latent bronze
980 performance is just like a 1060 so you will still get a bottleneck
cursive wharf
bottleneck is a pretty bad term and shouldnt be used anyways
cursive wharf
but you have to also consider monitor. 1080 @ 60Hz
probably
given the specs of the PC
sudden turret
truth
eager chasm
ever seen Console Peasant Quotes?
it's full of that kind of jazz
including them saying their Xbox has 2 1080Tis
lol
and that the human eye cant see more than 30FPS, that's a fan favorite to RIP on
sharp plaza
cursive wharf
What are you talking about? Consoles are more powerful and can play 1080p @ 144 and 4k @ 60. PCs are still stuck at 720p @ 30
marsh dagger
build review plz https://pcpartpicker.com/user/davy2143/saved/#view=kpcdmG
little osprey
@cursive wharf wdym my ps4 can play a selection of 5 VR games at 100K 200fps
cursive wharf
@marsh dagger You going to OC much? Wouldnt get that board if so. If not tho, it's good
little osprey
@marsh dagger good build
eager chasm
most people don't overclock
little osprey
I might just yeet the idea of streaming and snatch a used Rx 580 or 480
little osprey
But that's new
eager chasm
only like 1 in 10 people with custom build do any overclocking
little osprey
there's nothing in it for used
dry tinsel
Nvenc
little osprey
Valid
cursive wharf
He is currently getting new and hasnt agreed to used
dry tinsel
If streaming
cursive wharf
as of yet
cursive wharf
indeed
little osprey
her*
cursive wharf
ah yes, always nice to have confusion
eager chasm
honestly I'd go a bit better with the headset @marsh dagger cheap headsets are rarely ever worth it
cursive wharf
incorrect
little osprey
I am officially dumb
little osprey
Corsaid Void Pro with 7.1 surround sound>
cursive wharf
7.1 surround sound... on a headset
little osprey
yessir
cursive wharf
is a complete gimmick
dry tinsel
I want a gaming headset with noise cancelling mic
little osprey
It's "7.1" but it emulates it pretty darn well
cursive wharf
just get a standard headset and mic
little osprey
Noise cancelling mics are essentially mics with a windguard
eager chasm
most noise canceling on headsets is software filtering out background noise
dry tinsel
Also they don't pick up voices
little osprey
@eager chasm ohh so like volume sensitivity
eager chasm
not just that
you can turn on reduced background noise in windows
it actually helps
little osprey
oH
dry tinsel
I'm very sensitive to noise and I wear a kind of noise cancelling earplugs
little osprey
I'm gonna get a Rx 480 with my cpu so that there's no bottleneck, because I won't be able to get a job for a couple months (no license yet because I can't get my driving hours in with my parent's work schedules)
I'm gonna OC the 480 but I don't see that being an issue
With the extra 50 bucks? Idk what to do
dry tinsel
little osprey
maybe just start saving with that
eager chasm
dry tinsel
My favorite cans
eager chasm
Don't downgrade a part just to avoid a bottleneck
eager chasm
Live with it until you can upgrade
little osprey
I'd prefer to have the spare 50 bucks for other things
And yeah once I do get a job, 90% of my income will be PC until I take bills over from my parents
eager chasm
It's cheaper in the long run to only upgrade 1 part instead of 2
little osprey
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
little osprey
I'm gonna be stuck with integrated graphics for quite some time if I don't
might as well
eager chasm
The CPU/GPU is where I would prefer to put an extra $50 in the budget
little osprey
I mean like that's all my money period
I'd like to have the 50 bucks to maybe buy a game or something
Also @dry tinsel if you were the one with the headset/mic looking thing, check this out
https://www.amazon.com/Streaming-Microphone-SUDOTACK-professional-Condenser/dp/B07MZP3N5C
little osprey
oop
eager chasm
He had like a $18 headset
eager chasm
At that point just get earbuds
little osprey
I even knew that
fr
Earbuds probably have better quality too
because most of the 18 bucks would go to the headset's shell/design
eager chasm
Cloud II is the most commonly owned mid-range headset
little osprey
HyperX is a good brand
oh god no, they also have 7.1 surround
But do they have RGB
eager chasm
Ahahhaa
little osprey
I wanna get one of the expensive Corsair headset stands tbh but that's just a big no because that money could go towards something useful
little osprey
Guys, low budget here
Used rx 570 or used rx 480
thinking 480 since it's faster
or even used xfx 580 (although they're notoriously slower than other 580s)
All are the same ish price
jaunty karma
Ryoku
jaunty karma
Todays the day ๐
eager chasm
Oh right, your that guy in the Philippines
eager chasm
I got nothing else to do except play MMOs
eager chasm
I'm just playing as a traveling merchant in game so I can easily divide my attention 
modern marsh
hi
little osprey
Preferably X input
modern marsh
I think you can get an xbox 360 controller for around 20
20-25
probably your best bet
eager chasm
I usually get used wired XBox 360 controllers
little osprey
Makes sense
What about those $20 Xbox controllers you can pick up at Gamestop?
Xbox One, to be specific
eager chasm
I got a few games that the PC ports are broken with out a controller
modern marsh
can you link them?
little osprey
They're in person but I'll see if I can find one in the site
modern marsh
If they're powerA they're not terrible but they're not very good either
modern marsh
Don't know for sure, but I know in the past a lot of them were malware infested so tread carefully
little osprey
I have this old Logitech controller with directinput, the buttons labeled as 1, 2, 3, etc.
Oh boy
so let's just not
modern marsh
there's probably some open source projects now that are fine
eager chasm
What is X input?
modern marsh
it's an input api
little osprey
Controller input method
There's Direct and X. Direct was old input methods and is kinda outdated now
X is newer and used in new games and Xbox consoles.
I think Nintendo actually uses Directinput in the switch
eager chasm
Ah
little osprey
as well as Playstation using Direct input. That was their signature thing in the PS3 vs Xbox 360
although it was worse
little osprey
lol
little osprey
I wish I knew about their $5 controllers before they ran out
modern marsh
yeah that was a good deal
little osprey
People are reselling them on ebay and it upsets me
like dude don't buy the cheap controller if you're gonna charge normal price for it
be a decent human gOd
I wanna lowball and offer 10 bucks
eager chasm
The back of my PC is a MESS of IO
little osprey
Same
I'm gonna get one of those rubber wrap-around sleeves
I hide it behind stuffed animals lol
eager chasm
And yes I'm using PS2 port
little osprey
I too
eager chasm
It still worked XD
It just kinda bent from gravity over time
My keyboard spesifically has a mode for PS2 where you can change the input speed
It can actually flood an entire CPU thread on max speed
๐
coarse coral
used orange masking tape to label all my wires in order to put them in a certain order for icue
old charm
dammit. the whole process stopped by a few mesley screws
little osprey
@sudden turret noo don't hide your glass side, your cable management is so sexy ahaha
๐ฅต
jaunty karma
I have to buy my pc with cash
wraith trail
Anyone got a good pcpartpicker list i could see am looking to build a computer
eager chasm
well it's more like you give us a budget and like several people go to town making lists
@wraith trail
wraith trail
i have a budget of around 1700
eager chasm
do you have monitor mouse and keyboard already?
dry tinsel
with that budget you could go far
and even end up with a romer-g or optomechanical keyboard
and a 1080p/144Hz adaptive sync monitor
eager chasm
@wraith trail here is a top tier $1700 build with a Ryzen 7 3700X and a 2080 (no monitor/keyboard/mouse/OS)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kn78Qq
I can adjust it if you need those accessories
wraith trail
i have around 300 for monitor and keyboard/mouse
eager chasm
is that included in the 1700 or separate?
wraith trail
separate
eager chasm
ok good
there are places that you can get a windows key for cheap so it doesn't really matter too much
wraith trail
what about wifi?
modern marsh
careful with that motherboard
it's not a good match for the 3700x
it may or may not need a bios flash, as well
eager chasm
well usually you use ethernet on a desktop, but you can easily pick a different board with Wifi
modern marsh
in which case if it does you need 2000 series ryzen cpu to flash it
eager chasm
many boards are ryzen 3000 ready and are pre-flashed
eager chasm
the ram will still work just fine
eager chasm
preferably with wifi ๐
eager chasm
puts it a bit over the 1700 budget
wraith trail
what about cooling?
modern marsh
the stock cooler with the 3700x is solid unless you want a heavy OC
eager chasm
the CPU comes with a decent enough cooler
wraith trail
what about a boost
eager chasm
I use it just fine
modern marsh
the stock cooler will let it boost its clocks just fine if thats what you mean
modern marsh
ryzen stock coolers are surprisingly decent compared to what intel has to offer
eager chasm
you don't really need an X570 board, B450 will work just fine in most cases just make sure it's listed as Ryzen 3000 Ready
that can shave some of the cost off
modern marsh
the reason I went with the x570 is because A. it has wifi and B. it has a much better VRM solution
it's safer to use with the 3700x
the b450 aren't really designed for higher end chips
chances are you wouldn't have a catastrophic failure, but I always say better safe than sorry
eager chasm
you can run a Ryzen 9 3900X on a B450 stock just fine, it's not gonna hurt the performance of a 3700X any
modern marsh
it's not about performance
it's about safety
you're putting a lot more heat through that board with a 3700x (or 3900x especially)
eager chasm
you are literally the only one that i've seen object to using a B450 board with a 3700 on this discord
people recommend and use them all the time
modern marsh
I'm more than sure there are people that would agree with me.
eager chasm
or hell, do what I did, hit the middle ground and go X470
modern marsh
that would be a safer bet.
But again, I just shy away from it because some boards will need a bios flash.
And that can be tricky.
eager chasm
really though many here recommend B450 with 3700
the boards list if they are 3000 ready, not really that tricky XD
modern marsh
the x470 platform is designed to take a lot more power through it than the b450
also just because it's 3000 ready doesn't mean it comes with the bios preflashed
learned that from experience
wraith trail
is it possible for a water cooler?
eager chasm
and the Ryzen 3000 chips dont need as much power as the 2000 chips, a lot smaller process a lot less power
modern marsh
it's your money
wraith trail
and like go with a 2070 super?
modern marsh
If you're going with the 2070 super I highly recommend considering the rx 5700xt
it's nearly identical performance for 100 dollars less
that would free up money for a water cooler
eager chasm
I still say B450 is a nice pairing to save some money, the lower power consumption of the 3000 series thanks to 7nm makes it pretty flexible
muted patio
Nah
If you're going 3000 series, get X570
good boards for $100-150
And they don't draw less power
polar holly
Yeah b450 as long as your not going to a 3900x or 3950x are super solid options mainly the tomahawk max
eager chasm
I went X470 myself
polar holly
Yeah it has super overbuilt vrms it is a super good choice to use
polar holly
No you get alot worse ipc
modern marsh
@wraith trail https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RV4sp8
polar holly
Go with a 3700x on b450 i will reccomend it if you arent planning on usng gen4 pcie drives
modern marsh
with monitor, keyboard, and mouse
eager chasm
3700X power consumption stock under full load, a bit over 90w
2700X a bit over 117w
wraith trail
what about this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QC8rMc my friends are saying this is better?
muted patio
That's thermal dissipative power, not power draw
eager chasm
no I specifically looked for the power consumption
modern marsh
should be right on your budget
you can OC the 3600 easily to match a 3600x
they're both unlocked
eager chasm
@wraith trail there is no wifi on the board you picked, just saying
polar holly
Many dont need wifi and i will reccomend getting a 20 dollar wifi card and a better board
When comparing the single-chiplet Ryzen 3700X to the previous generation Ryzen 2700X, weโre seeing quite some dramatic differences in core power consumption. In particular power consumption at each chipโs respective peak frequency is notably different: Although the new 3700X has a 100MHz higher clock speed and thus is further up the exponential power curve, it manages to showcase 32% lower absolute power than the 2700X.
Yess 3000 ryzen consumes less power
polar holly
I know i love people who argue while knowing facts
eager chasm
but it can
modern marsh
it can but it shouldn't
just like a cheap OEM power supply can power your system
but you shouldn't do that
polar holly
Yes it was designed to run a 2700x but not a 3000 series.
modern marsh
no, the x470 was for higher end chips like the 2700x.
eager chasm
AMD also promised good backwards and FORWARDS compatibility
modern marsh
Just because it technically supports doing it doesn't mean you should do it or that it's safe.
That's some serious jumps in logic.
polar holly
X470 is the new high-end chipset, the model that brings the most advanced and expensive motherboards to life. The main difference between this chipset and the midrange B450 is that it offers four additional USB 3.1 ports as well as two additional SATA III ports and additional PCI Express lanes for high-end graphics cards and NVMe storage drives. This makes the X470 a better chipset for users who use multiple graphics cards on a single PC or want to use a large number of NVMe drives. Another difference is that the B450 only allows CrossFire configurations, while the X470 allows CrossFire and SLI.
modern marsh
That mentions nothing about the VRM solutions used on the boards.
Features aren't what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the safety.
eager chasm
it's perfectly safe
modern marsh
It's not.
eager chasm
it is but you don't want to accept that it is
modern marsh
As I said, it probably won't catastrophically fail, but you are lowering the lifespan of the motherboard (and as a consequence probably your cpu)
eager chasm
your initial problem was worrying about it pulling more power through the VRMs it doesn't
polar holly
Seeing as i am running a 3800x in a b450 tomahawk and have since its release along with using it as a daily streaming and gaming setup
modern marsh
Enjoy having that last less than another year.
Just because you don't follow good practices doesn't mean you should tell other people not to.
polar holly
Well it will last as long as if it was in a x570 the only change is the amount of power stages
within vrm
modern marsh
And the cooling solution.
polar holly
i am running a passive cooling heatsink acorss them as most if not all x570 do
how is it different
eager chasm
seriously, you complained about it pulling more power through the VRMs yet we've shown you it won't and doesn't... You are still arguing against it even when your original reason was proven false. Seriously, give up.
it's perfectly fine and safe
modern marsh
Again, it pulls less than a 2700x.
Which the b450 was never designed to be used with.
The b450 is the mid range chipset meant to be used with lower end chips.
polar holly
That means it will stress the vrm less
modern marsh
That's not controversial.
It would stress the VRM less than the 2700x, yes.
Under no circumstances should anyone put a 2700x in a b450 board.
polar holly
Why
modern marsh
Because it pulls more than the board manufacturers spec for.
eager chasm
I think you are being a little too elitist with your assumptions about hardware and what is "safe"
modern marsh
You should always overbudget for system critical components like the motherboard and power supply.
I don't know why this is controversial at all.
It's not like it isn't within his budget.
modern marsh
It's not the wrong part.
Did you even look at the parts list I made? It's perfectly within his budget and still comes out a 1440p beast.
What's the problem?
Why would you intentionally suggest something less safe.
If you can afford a safer option, you should take it.
polar holly
It is not less safe.
polar holly
how
eager chasm
the thing that is more likely to burn out the VRMs is putting a water cooler on it instead of a downfire air cooler
modern marsh
You can say it won't be a problem all you like but you cannot argue that any decent x570 board will have a much better VRM solution than any b450 board.
That is objectively more safe.
If it's within his budget, any you can still get the best performance and not bottleneck the system, why would you not take the safer route.
You shouldn't take stupid risks with a 1700 dollar investment.
polar holly
Lol This is Great i love people like this i have been builing computer and working on them for 5 years. i currently run 5 systems throuhg my house with all being perfectly safe an not being the most ohh it has to be this
eager chasm
I don't even care about his build, currently he has the info he wants. I'm just trying to explain putting a 3700 in a B450 is perfectly safe and useable long term. 90 watts in a stress test isn't everyday use and more likely anyone with it will want an upgrade before anything goes bad, and if something does go bad RMAs exist for a failure of hardware from acceptable use
polar holly
I run a trx40 a x570 a b450 a x299 and a z390. i am well aware how to build a computer along with what parts make sense
polar holly
I am perfectly safe to be running a 3800x in a b450 tomahawk build while it is being stressed
eager chasm
it really isn't
modern marsh
You guys are free to do whatever you want but you should never suggest somebody should skimp out on system critical parts.
little osprey
What's wrong with the vrm on the b450 tomahawk?
eager chasm
Visi swears up and down you should never put a Ryzen 7 in a B450 board
modern marsh
it's stressing it more than necessary
polar holly
@modern marsh is qoute "a 3800x will die in it from stressed use"
little osprey
If you use case is 3800x with manual oc run in a cabinet for prime 95 24/7, sure.
modern marsh
Yes, you're lowering the lifespan of your components by running something that's more power hungry than the b450 chipsets were designed to run.
eager chasm
modern marsh
Don't misrepresent what I said.
polar holly
It isnt more powerful than a b450 is built for
polar holly
a 3600x a mid range chip runs 5 less watts
than a 3700x
and 14 watts less than a 3800x
eager chasm
b450 was designed to be safe for the 2700X if you were gonna overclock, it's widely accept the 70 skew boards are for overclocking and performance use but not nessisary
modern marsh
Look, you're free to think whatever you want. All I'm saying is if it's within budget, you shouldn't recommend something less.
little osprey
B450 is just the chipset/platform, some b450 boards have vastly more vrm power delivery headroom that others.
eager chasm
what, the 3700X consumes less power than a Ryzen 5 2600X? NO WAY
modern marsh
I don't think you understand how a VRM works. It isn't just a matter of how much wattage the cpu is pulling.
It's literally got more to do with the voltage it's running at.
eager chasm
I don't think you understand its perfectly safe
modern marsh
@little osprey I'm aware.
polar holly
Yes they run at the same voltage if your smart with using hardware
modern marsh
Most b450 VRM solutions are not specced super high.
@polar holly And does that mean you should be recommending it to somebody that seems new to building PCs?
If a better solution is within budget why would you recommend less
this is the crux of the argument
polar holly
Yes because a cpu will pull it self to a self regulating voltage once placed in a board many will not all the sudden run at 1.5 volts
eager chasm
... lower power consumption and voltage than a 2600X... do you read english?
modern marsh
You still can't answer that simple question.
polar holly
Why would i reccomend less becuase you can take that money either pocket it. Move it to a differnet core componet that can use the upgrade
eager chasm
don't know what you are STILL saying it's not safe when it's SAFER than the part that it was made for
modern marsh
saving that 50 dollars isn't going to be enough to get a better GPU or whatever.
When the next step up is easily 700 or more
polar holly
Why spend 50 when you dont need to spend it in the first place
modern marsh
he said he had a budget, I gave him the best system I could within that budget.
polar holly
a budget is a max value not something you should aim to hit
eager chasm
i'm not even talking about money, I'm talking about the principle of the argument
modern marsh
A budget is exactly that, a budget
not a max value
it's what you are aiming to spend
polar holly
No it is what your willing to spend
eager chasm
Don't deflect to talking about money when you are defeated on the principle of the argument, admit defeat
modern marsh
That's literally not what budget means.
polar holly
What does it mean and i want a screenshot
polar holly
No please i want the shot
modern marsh
From the start I have been saying you should always recommend the safer option for system critical components.
modern marsh
polar holly
so where is it say aim for that
modern marsh
a budget is the money you have to spend
you wouldn't budget it if you didn't have it
it's something you already set aside
polar holly
Yes but lets say not computers you have a budget of 500 on food for one night are you going to spend all of it
eager chasm
welp if the conversation isn't about the principle of the argument anymore I'll claim victory and go back to gaming.
modern marsh
that's not the same thing at all
modern marsh
@eager chasm the principle of the argument literally from the start has been to recommend the best components you can within the budget
it's not a good idea to skimp on system critical components
I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand
eager chasm
that wasn't the principle of my argument, I put all that aside
modern marsh
it's no different than recommending a cheap power supply
that's not something you should do
it may work, but it will lower the lifespan of the system
polar holly
What makes you the for front god of knowing whats cheap and whats not
i know and only reccomend parts or families of parts i use or have used
modern marsh
It's not difficult to find detailed data for these parts
eager chasm
my argument was all about showing the lower power consumption and completely save use of those 2 parts together, but you are what British parament would call "being willfully obtuse"
polar holly
Apparently it is if you cant figure out it is perfectly safe to use a b450 on a 3800x
modern marsh
Again, just because you can doesn't mean you should
Before all of this even started I said it will not catastrophically fail
but it will lower the lifespan of the parts
this is not a debate -- that's fact
modern marsh
no, I did not
eager chasm
it might, but not to any meaningful degree
modern marsh
You're misunderstanding something very similar
polar holly
this cpu i am willing to put 10 grand will run for 5 plus years
modern marsh
@eager chasm Okay. In which case, if it's within budget, why would you not suggest the better solution that will give longer life to the parts?
polar holly
becasue they offer the same lifespan
what they dont offer is the same level of performance
eager chasm
but then again, by your logic putting the part it was made for would shorten the life of a B450 board even MORE
modern marsh
Yes.
I never denied that.
What I'm saying is that you should use the best parts that are within budget to minimize that risk.
In any build.
If somebody comes to me with 500 dollars, I'll do the best I can within that.
To make it a safe build.
polar holly
No you should maximize a budget for the task perfomred
modern marsh
Without sacrificing performance.
eager chasm
well as long as you understand it's PEFECTLY SAFE, cause perfectly save isn't the same as shortening the lifecycle of a part... I mean Overclocking exists and thats all that does
polar holly
so here make me a build a max budget of 2,000 us dollars fro 4k gaming
i will do the same and see whos is better
modern marsh
Look, you know I told you that it won't fail catastrophically.
You read it and responded to me.
polar holly
keeping as much money as possible
modern marsh
It's not going to catch fire.
eager chasm
good "perfectly safe" glad we agree
modern marsh
What I'm saying is that it's less safe than the more expensive alternatives.
little osprey
It'd be more entertaining if it did.
eager chasm
you kept arguing it wasn't safe, so as long as you agree it is. then I proved the points I wanted
modern marsh
It's a sliding scale, naturally -- just like power supplies.
polar holly
so will you take my challenge
modern marsh
Your challenge?
polar holly
2,000 us dollars for the best 4k gaming while saving the most of the budget possible
modern marsh
Okay.
little osprey
You can look up the parts on the manufacturers website and plug in the power delivery use case voltage, switching frequency, current etc and look up the expected heat output.
eager chasm
Oh goodie, the the merchants restocked in BDO, back to being at traveling merchant ๐ Toodles
wraith trail
what about this visi and ryoku https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QtLsp8
eager chasm
still say go for a 5700XT instead of a 2070
near identical performance, cheaper
unless you REALLY want RTX
eager chasm
he's trolling lol
wraith trail
he deleted his messages
hard yew
i'm pebbles friends
wraith trail
i dont know who you are
hard yew
ok
wraith trail
so the build is good right
eager chasm
but yea almost no reason to go 2070 unless you really want like only a few frames more and ray tracing
wraith trail
is just matter if i want the rtx or not
eager chasm
it's basically $100 just to have ray tracing which is in almost no games still
but that's up to you
polar holly
And a 2070 will usually run at a rough 30-45 frames while its on in a triple a title
wraith trail
then i save like 300
eager chasm
5700XT is in the same performance tier as the 2070 Super, but it's cheaper
that's what I'm saying
hard yew
okay cool
wraith trail
ryoku is that true "And a 2070 will usually run at a rough 30-45 frames while its on in a triple a title"
modern marsh
@polar holly https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R49rMc
modern marsh
Ryoku is right, go with the 5700xt and save 100 bucks
polar holly
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MKNcx6 @modern marsh
modern marsh
so within 100 dollars of eachother and you have a far worse psu especially for a 2080 super
also mine has more storage and better ram...
polar holly
I will say your build is a amazing build. And that is a power supply powering my x299 board so i will reccomend it
modern marsh
the cx 550 isn't bad
it'd just a bit worried about the wattage with a 2080 super
that's pulling too close to its max for me to feel comfortable
polar holly
and you never asked about storage i personally run a 50terabyte nas
modern marsh
well, you never asked about storage either, so
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I think we did pretty evenly
polar holly
So all i am saying is make sure you are asking in depth questions abou their current needs and what they already have
modern marsh
I always build based on budget and need.
For example, for streamers I'll go out of my way to recommend and build around nvidia, despite their gpus being more expensive in the 300-500 range.
Because NVENC is too good to pass up.
polar holly
Just make sure when it comes to things like the argument earlier that you do test or research if you dont have the hardware to test on your own for things like the mobos
and chipsets
eager chasm
I still like to use the superior processing of the Ryzen 7 to do video encoding over hardware encoding
modern marsh
@eager chasm it's not a bad idea, especially at higher resolutions IE if you're streaming at 1440p or 4k
but most people don't do that
because internet speeds
eager chasm
I always push a Ryzen 7 in stream builds XD
modern marsh
the nvenc encoder is basically free
polar holly
Well the b450 does not lower expectancy on chips of the third gen Ryzen. seeing as many will use the same vrms that the newer boards do.
not layout but the vrms them self
eager chasm
also I kinda wouldn't' trust a Radeon VII to render a single frame of a stream... it's a bit touchy XD
so I kind backed myself into using Ryzen for encoding
VERY high quality encoding, virtually no performance impact in games
polar holly
The Nvenc encoder is very good. i will reccomend it for more budget streaming setups
old charm
what even is ray tracing
indigo thicket
ray tracing is basically when you look into a girl's eyes and they're twinkling
little osprey
whos ray
eager chasm
@old charm it basically makes light more realistic, more accurate shadows, light effects, reflections, refractions... but at a MASSIVE performance hit to FPS
eager chasm
personally I love my games to look beautiful AND have High FPS so I would never use it even if I had it.. I mean I use it in vanilla minecraft but that game hardly counts for high FPS anyway
modern marsh
the tech just isn't quite there yet
eager chasm
games and devs already have soo many tricks to make really nice lighting the slight benefit in look isn't worth the overall sacrifice
modern marsh
I mean games with a full raytracing engine can look really nice but
indigo thicket
it's nice for singleplayer games
modern marsh
that's years off yet for practical usage
indigo thicket
i think i've only used it in shadow of the tomb raider and the new CoD though
old charm
that sounds stupidly specific
indigo thicket
well there are only like 5 games total that support ray tracing right now
2/5 aint bad ๐
modern marsh
yeah
indigo thicket
i couldn't even play tomb raider on ultra ray tracing though
it would dip to like 40 fps randomly unless i turned it down to high
modern marsh
eager chasm
I'll stick to playing BDO with it's insane graphics at 100FPS XD
indigo thicket
and video card sounded like it was going to take off
modern marsh
and it's not like it's even a huge difference in that game
it's literally just shadows
indigo thicket
it's a big difference in daytime outdoor scenes
indigo thicket
that part of the game is probably where the RTX is least noticable
modern marsh
eager chasm
I'll take lens flare and godrays over ray tracing ANY day
modern marsh
it's really not that impressive
the shadows are more accurate, and that's nice, but...
indigo thicket
idk, i found it to really improve the detail in shadows, especially on cliffs and rocks and stuff, and on characters
modern marsh
yeah that's the question
muted patio
Reflections also
indigo thicket
yeah, it doesn't affect that much, but they did what they could with the hardware
eager chasm
reflections and refractions but really any game dev worth 1/2 their salt can make reflections look nice and "passable" without RTX
tame olive
I canโt bring myself to buy into RTX yet ๐ฆ
indigo thicket
it's not as if they sell a similar performance card to the 2070 super without RTX, except i guess the rx 5700 xt is close
eager chasm
to me this is passable reflections with out RTX, looks pretty enough
topaz mauve
Need some help with a corsair RM750 power supply
tame olive
Are you saying the 2070 super outperforms all 10 series GPUs?
muted patio
For now it's just tiny details
indigo thicket
no but the 1080 TI is more expensive @tame olive
ew that RTX on screenshot looks gross
why is it reflecting off the gun
indigo thicket
it's a fun gimmick tho ๐
eager chasm
I keep having to sanity check that my PC isn't overheating cause it puts out soo much heat XD
I'm still not used to having high quality parts
tame olive
I guess Iโm just lucky that I havenโt paid over $500 for a 1080ti since the mining boom.
eager chasm
CPU power pins, yea?\
topaz mauve
The psu cables don't seem to be the right pin amount
indigo thicket
you only need to plug in the 8 pin on the right most likely
eager chasm
should be fine with just the 8, or use a splitter
indigo thicket
it's 8 + 4 pin though, one of the two 8-pin cables should split in half
but you should be fine only plugging in the 8
eager chasm
he's only got 1 CPU 8 pin
indigo thicket
what's the second one for? i was under the impression it's useful if you're mega overclocking
topaz mauve
indigo thicket
oh i see, the power supply only has 1 8 pin, yeah
eager chasm
do you have 2 CPU 4+4 cords in the box?
topaz mauve
This is my first PC build and I'm both excited and nervous lmao XD
Nope, this is the only cable in the box that says CPU
indigo thicket
then just plug that one from where it says 4+4 CPU into the 8 pins on the right on the motherboard
eager chasm
just plug it into the 8 pin plug, ignore the 4 pin for now, if it doesn't post get a different PSU or get a CPU power splitter
topaz mauve
I was flipping terrified of putting the cpu cooler in, I was hoping I didn't put too much pressure while trying to screw down the spring loaded screws XD
Got it thanks โค๏ธ โค๏ธ
eager chasm
the Rosewill Photon 750 has 2 CPU cables
tame olive
I canโt imagine youโd actually damage anything so long as you donโt actually wrench down the screw on the block
eager chasm
i know cause I have one ๐
topaz mauve
So the part that splits to 2x4 pins is the part that goes into the MB, or is it the other way around?
eager chasm
yes, the 4+4 part goes into the 8 pin slot on the MB
tame olive
The pins are also keyed so you canโt easily plug the wrong 8 pin into the mobo
eager chasm
just like the 6+2 will go into the GPU
or in my case... 6+2+6+2 for my GPU XD
man I love gaming on Ultra settings in the winter, I'm soo warm XD
topaz mauve
Also, my PSU says "6x2 PCIe & 4x4 CPU on two separate parts of the PSU, does that really matter?
eager chasm
๐ค
eager chasm
seems you can plug both into any 8 pin on your PSU... which is why I asked if you have another 4+4 cable
if it's 4+4 it's CPU
cursive wharf
@topaz mauve You dont need the extra 4 pin for the CPU. The 8 pin EPS supplies 300w which no consumer CPU takes without LN2 OC
topaz mauve
so either way I really just need the one 8 pin psu cable
cursive wharf
silver meteor
Mb
Ok so basically I want a 150 USD 144hz monitor and I found a bunch on multiple sites but apparently a lot of the ones I found have smearing. Any recommendations?
eager chasm
you are asking for the impossible
silver meteor
You sure? There are a lottt of options
eager chasm
you have a low end budget for that kind of monitor you are gonna get a low end product
silver meteor
My PC is high end but I donโt have the budget for a high end monitor
eager chasm
my $190 high refresh monitor is from the KING of budget monitor, and it still has ghosting
modern marsh
Yeah, it's not going to happen at that budget.
silver meteor
Is it such bad ghosting that it makes a difference
eager chasm
nope
silver meteor
But like are there any options where the ghosting will be like not that bad
modern marsh
I haven't used every single monitor but some of them are pretty awful ghosting.
silver meteor
I just need it to be good enough to use without cringing
modern marsh
are you looking for 1080p or 1440p
eager chasm
Sceptre is one of the best brands for cheaper monitors with minimized sacriice
silver meteor
I saw an LG monitor for the same price as a sceptre monitor but idk which is better
modern marsh
eager chasm
^ litterally my monitor
silver meteor
Okay here are the options I found:
modern marsh
Just get the one I linked tbh, it's the best you're going to get in that price range
eager chasm
I can say it's GREAT for the price
modern marsh
It has flaws, but they can be forgiven for the price
eager chasm
ask me anything about that Sceptre Visi posted, I can answer it, I'm basically the expert on that spesific model
it's got a clean image, the ghosting isnt terrible, and it has 165Hz. it's a GREAT low end high refresh monitor
plus FREESYNC, which I adore cause I hate Vsync
lime forge
hate to break it to ya but freesync and vsync are completely unrelated
indigo thicket
i think he means he'd rather use freesync than turn on vsync
eager chasm
both stop screen tearing, but freesync does it in away that is friendly to my sanity
XD
lime forge
freesync adapts the screen refresh rate based on the framerate of the game, this reduces screen tearing
modern marsh
yes so you can't really say they're unrelated
that was the entire point
not that they are literally based on the same technology
modern marsh
vsync is literally a technology to reduce screen tearing
indigo thicket
yeah true vsync isn't actually synced to the display, but it still does the job as long as it's close enough to the actual refresh rate
eager chasm
2 different ways to do the same thing, except one of them has something called "micro stuttering"
floral tree
Alright Iโm about to paste a paragraph that I wrote about the problems of my pc
eager chasm
and "micro stuttering" isn't good for my sanity ๐
floral tree
Alienware R3 not booting up
Hello, about a month ago my pc started to not boot up on the first try. I would have to restart it a random number of tries before the monitor displayed the OS. Just now, I left my PC on and left the room for 5 minutes and the monitor is blank when I come back. I boot the PC up and I get the advanced troubleshooting page. I pressed restart and now the computer is on but there is no display on the monitor. I tried unplugging everything and it didnโtโ work. The keyboard lights and mouse lights are still on, but no display. Also, when this happened I noticed my monitor light was flashing, and it has stayed that way for a while. If someone could help me out that would be great and sorry for the essay that you had to read.
floral tree
Lol
modern marsh
oh jeez that could be a lot of things
lime forge
make sure the monitor is plugged into the gpu
floral tree
Yeah I wish I knew about custom PCs before I got ur
So does it involve actually opening up the pc
silver meteor
Watched some reviews, apparently the Sceptre E255B is basically the best for the price range, ghosting isnโt bad, well priced, high Hz, good response time. Thatโs a steal
floral tree
eager chasm
less of a close up...
floral tree
Alright
eager chasm
looks right, can't tell cause I can't see anything else
also it's Alienware, gonna bet it's not a standard layout
indigo thicket
that definitely looks like a PCIe card, but it's alienware so who knows maybe it has a decoy video card
eager chasm
lmao
floral tree
Itโs got a GTX 970
eager chasm
ow... that hurt my soul
topaz mauve
So, I'm going to finish the rest after work, but something came up about installing my power supply
eager chasm
oh that is the right spot ๐ค
indigo thicket
i had a weird problem with my monitor yesterday where the screen was black until i unplugged the power cord to the monitor and replugged it to hard reset the monitor
eager chasm
hope the GPU doesn't choke for air in that config
topaz mauve
All but one of the screws to put in my PSU are straight, the 4th one on the bottom right corner is slanted, and it keeps doing that as I try to adjust it. Anything I can do?
silver meteor
Thatโs my final choice
eager chasm
GOOD choice
silver meteor
Thank you
floral tree
It shouldnโt. Plenty of airflow
eager chasm
I love that monitor
silver meteor
Itโs supposed to be the best of the price range
tame olive
My monitor blinks every time I stand up? I think I damaged the dp
silver meteor
Little ghosting
floral tree
Itโs got a nice sale
eager chasm
@floral tree that is a vertically mounted card in an ultra thin case, GPU choking is a possibility XD
still roostBOT
Dookie#2665 has been warned
floral tree
Ok
indigo thicket
lol
eager chasm
anyway le me reread what you said earlier, one sec
floral tree
Also, the monitor sometimes says power save mode when powering off
indigo thicket
could be a bad cable
eager chasm
that part of the monitor
floral tree
Ok
eager chasm
is your monitor set to the right input?
eager chasm
cause setting it to HDMI would suck XD
floral tree
Lol
eager chasm
welp I'm out of ideas ....
indigo thicket
wait can you get to the BIOS or is it black the entire time it's on?
floral tree
I mean it used to be the bios would load on the 5th try but now it just doesnโt load
The bios doesnโt even load
indigo thicket
most likely a bad cable or bad video card
eager chasm
yea, got a different cable to try?
floral tree
I donโt think so
eager chasm
for reasons I'mm unsure of I have like 4 DP cables ... no idea how I got so many
floral tree
What cable would be bad
indigo thicket
the DP cable
indigo thicket
oh wait, what is that port at the top left of the back of the computer that says HDMI?
floral tree
Whatโs odd is that it does regognize the dp cable is disconnected
Itโs blocked off-no port
indigo thicket
that cable coming out of the top left is a USB cable?
floral tree
Also running into the monitor
indigo thicket
ah okay
floral tree
But the right one on the left is my mic
indigo thicket
gotcha, i just saw the HDMI label and thought maybe another display was plugged in there
floral tree
Ok
Ok Iโve unplugged everything from the monitor
Ok still entering power save mode
eager chasm
that means your monitor doesn't see any signal
floral tree
But when I changed the input to something that isnโt plugged in, it says something different
Oh wait. When I try to change the signal it says no signal detected
Wait would be cable be a mini DP or regular
eager chasm
regular
floral tree
So DP to DP cable
BC the one plugged into the PC is smaller than the one in the monitor
eager chasm
he said cheap, I picked out cheap
floral tree
True
Oh yeah the 5 pack aigo fans are $70 bucks. I guess itโs not as much of a cheap ass Chinese brand
eager chasm
for me I go bargain bin cheap on case fans
standard Rosewill DC fan 4 pack, only like $15
they work well enough
eager chasm
but hey, can't complain if between them and my extreme budget case my high-end parts stay within acceptable temps
I know how to cut corners when I can ๐
unlike walmart XD
eager chasm
value cost or what I paid? those are 2 WIDELY different number XD
the value of all my stuff new is in the $2500-2800 range, what I actually paid for it all is around $2000
both monitors, keyboard, mousepad, DVD drive, and chair were all free
eager chasm
add in the value of my chair it's closer to $3000 value XD
eager chasm
one monitor was from my family as a Bday gift, and the other I won $250 to amazon at a LAN party so anything I got with that I count as "free"
the chair I found next to a dumpster behind a bank
floral tree
Cool
eager chasm
it's an all leather really high quality office chair
my original PSU, case, and MB were also all free
but I upgraded those
the keyboard I won at another LAN
floral tree
What is a LAN
eager chasm
LAN party
floral tree
Like a betting game online?
eager chasm
this is a large LAN
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589689072692494356/655175661345832960/unknown.png
eager chasm
Prizes and stuff are given out
So yea if you know the right people and are just lucky you can get a fair amount of free stuff
๐
tame olive
That's not pdxlan is it?
eager chasm
no it's NETWAR
tame olive
ah
eager chasm
midwest LAN in Nebraska
tame olive
PDX is friggin huge and always sells out so early
floral tree
I am looking up ones around me but nothing is really popping up
eager chasm
people come to NETWAR from 1/2way across the country
floral tree
Thatโs crazy
topaz mauve
Question on a psu
I used all 4 screws to mount in the psu, and one of them is angled weird
the other 3 are perfectly set and in all the way
eager chasm
probably means you threaded it wrong or the PSU is slightly made wrong, either way, it's fine
tame olive
Loosen all the screws, and then try to tighten the sideways one all over again.
topaz mauve
got it thanks
tame olive
did you try backing off the other screws?
tame olive
Looks amazing
tame olive
Or at the very least a newegg cart
trim heron
Would all these parts work tho?
stoic island
Put it in pcpartpicker that tells you things
trim heron
Ok
stoic island
For example b450 might need bios update
tame olive
It's almost like pcpartpicker knows
still roostBOT
Mr1111#1350 has been warned
modern marsh
that's really similar to my own PC and it handles 1440p and VR pretty well
@trim heron up the PSU to a corsair CX 550 though
the evga BR has some issues
eager chasm
usually the board is OK if it says "Ryzen 3000 Ready" or "3rd Gen Ryzen Ready" on the store page
that means it wont need a bios update
And for the physical box a board comes in there is also this sticker
rapid knot
Hello I have a DIY question. Does any one know the form factor for a hp pavilion motherboard? I am trying to use an old PC case that I have.
eager chasm
should be ATX if it isn't a proprietary format
rapid knot
That's what I was thinking,
trim heron
modern marsh
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CM89CL @trim heron
better ram for less money
actually https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fGfyWb
better gpu for the same price
trim heron
Oh damn nice okay
trim heron
Oh ok
crystal pagoda
That's a really small monitor. Are you sure?
modern marsh
yeah monitors under 100 are rough
there's not a lot of options
it really opens up around 120
modern marsh
it's a lot worse
like, significantly so
20-30% worse depending on the title
I'd just pay the extra few bucks for an rx 5700
modern marsh
yeah absolutely, that's a solid build
trim heron
Okay thanks a lot
grave lantern
A question, does the AMD Ryzen 7 3700X need water cooling?
rough loom
not really. Unless you like the look of like a 240 aio
grave lantern
So just case fans?
rough loom
decent cooler never hurts. but typical air cooler would be fine. I dont have any idea how good the stock ryzen 7 coolers are and how far you can push it with them before thermals become a limiting factor
modern marsh
the cooler that comes with the 3700x is decent enough to run it if you won't be overclocking.
eager chasm
^
the nice thing is the Prism was designed for the 2700X which runs hotter than the 3700X so there is a bit more wiggle room in gen 3 for light overclocking with the stock cooler
the 7nm shrink really helped Ryzen get it's heat and power under control ๐
all those past jokes about AMD running hot and now it's intel that run hot lol
left gazelle
wondering if anyone would like to give this a look for me since im not the best at making pc builds
and maybe give recommendations
humble lava
@jaunty karma check if your hard drive is connected to your sata cable and if it is, check if it it connected to your mother board and if that is, it could be a problem with your cable or your hard drive
floral tree
that looks like a good build
maybe add an ssd
you can get one for like $25 bucks on amazon
little osprey
@left gazelle why are you pending an extra 300 dollars on a motherboard when you could upgrade the cpu and GPU for that much
motherboards do not have to be expensive to be good
humble lava
@left gazelle do you really want 32g of ran dont you think thats a bit over kill
little osprey
he could literally get a 2080 super and a 3900x by getting a 180 dollar x570 motherboard instead of an overpriced MSi godlike
@left gazelle please do not buy those parts
floral tree
oh dang I didn't see that
left gazelle
what would be a good motherboard then?
jaunty karma
Already fixed it
eager chasm
$600 montherboard is over kill, for extreme overclocking
Like for people with LN2 pots
๐ค
jaunty karma
@eager chasm
eager chasm
?
jaunty karma
Finally got my build
eager chasm
Grats
little osprey
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T2FWCYG/ref=cm_sw_r_oth_api_i_WPp9DbHW90AAD
MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi Motherboard (AMD AM4, DDR4, PCIe 4.0, SATA 6Gb/s, M.2, USB 3.2 Gen 2, AC Wi-Fi 5, HDMI, ATX) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T2FWCYG/ref=cm_sw_r_oth_api_i_WPp9DbHW90AAD
@left gazelle this is good if you need WiFi
left gazelle
im using wired
little osprey
Ok
I mean I canโt really decide a motherboard for you but remember that you should try for a motherboard under 200
They are just as reliable
left gazelle
๐
jaunty karma
Ryzen 5 2600
A320-S2H V2
Samsung 8GB 2666Mhz Deepcool DE500 80+ Asrock Radeon RX570 4GB 120 SSD 500GB Rakk Hunit Case 6x Darkflash DDR11
20โ Nvision Monitor
eager chasm
Super expensive boards are more like for liquid nitrogen overclockers or top tier custom Hardline water cooling
jaunty karma
Fantech Keyboard and Mouse
eager chasm
Galaxy.... Nooooo
jaunty karma
Sorry Low BUDGEET
eager chasm
You got a 320 board for the most power hungry series of Ryzen D:
jaunty karma
I ask for 3200MHz went over budget
eager chasm
I hope it works out fine