#building-and-recc-chat | Newegg | Page 410

dark raven Sep 30, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Ok

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Look on eBay for the cooler see if it's cheaper

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Main benefit to a cooler on say - 3700x, 3900x especially - is silence imo

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:35 PM

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I wouldn't trust getting a cooler on ebay

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 11:35 PM

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^^

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both of those

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 11:36 PM

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Ebay can be more of a gamble some timres more than others, but you can easily get a feel for what sellers/listings are likely to make for a smooth transaction

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 11:36 PM

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but I would 100% support buying used

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 11:36 PM

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I picked up a $30 2500k , and another 64 cores today, 0 issues.

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:36 PM

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How about this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p9GJx6

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 11:37 PM

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yeah that looks nice

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I got what’s basically a 1080/2060 minus rtx for $230

lime forge Sep 30, 2019, 11:37 PM

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puny 1070ti

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pretending you have a 1080

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😤

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 11:38 PM

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3600 man - they're $195 now

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go msi gaming plus for that price range board, ditch the cooler, is that a platter boot drive in 2019? Jokes aside - I think you'll be happy with any of the partve we've suggested.

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:39 PM

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English please

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:39 PM

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One thing i have experienced with those Gammaxx coolers for AMD you have to strap it on the old AMD way

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:39 PM

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i'll just use the stock cooler

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:41 PM

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the stock cooler would be alright for now but if you want something to cool it better save up and go for one of these https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VHtWGX/noctua-nh-l9x65-se-am4-cpu-cooler-nh-l9x65-se-am4

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:41 PM

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It's the same person I just changed my name

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:41 PM

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We know

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:42 PM

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foof

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:42 PM

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All you did was remove arctic >_<

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:42 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4vnpgJ

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 11:42 PM

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I’d go for something else, since that’s kinda a smaller form cooler

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It’s just a taller l9

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Do pc parts go on sale for a lot during black friday?

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:43 PM

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they do

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but you also have to be fast

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Ok

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I live near a best buy but they raise the price of a 2600X by $50

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:44 PM

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ya but that is bestbuy

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:44 PM

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ok

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:45 PM

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places like Bestbuy and Staples from my experience is they usually charge more than what you can buy online

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:45 PM

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have you ever bought parts from Black Friday?

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:46 PM

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I am in Canada so our black friday is a little different

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Oh.

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:47 PM

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We will have great sales as well just not the type like "first 5 of this is 90% off" and then watch a bunch of people get sent to the hospital

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:47 PM

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wow

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so my $600 build would go down if I buy around Christmas time

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:48 PM

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I have seen news reports of people actually getting killed over a 60" 4K TV that is being sold for like 100$

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Oh yeah those Walmart ones

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crazy places

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:49 PM

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around Xmas the cost might go up

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:49 PM

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really?

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:49 PM

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Xmas is the season to make money

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:49 PM

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Well Black friday this year starts November 29th

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Is your thanksgiving around that time as well?

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:57 PM

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yeah

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Do you have cyber Monday

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:57 PM

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yes

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:58 PM

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It's Monday December 2nd

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should i buy the parts then?

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:01 AM

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I would wait till black friday first to see what deals you can get cause also you never know you could maybe get the 2600X for like 100$ instead

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:02 AM

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But at my best buy people are at the store at 5PM and stay there all night until it opens the next day.

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:02 AM

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or they could even have the X570 boards and the 3600 cheaper which could equal up to your 600$ build

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buy it online

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Yeah I will

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How much do you think a $300 Vega 56 will drop to? this is for a friend.

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:05 AM

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on a black friday maybe to like 200$ give or take

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But it also depends if they want to give that one a sale

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Ok the friend has a pc and was looking for a gnu upgrade

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:07 AM

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tell your friend to get the 5700 instead of the vega 56

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Ok that's what I thought would be better.

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Right now he has a FX8350 8 core clocked at 4.00 ghz

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:08 AM

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he needs to change that

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:09 AM

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someone built it for him

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:09 AM

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if i remember a Ryzen 3 is better than the FX 8350

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:09 AM

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geez

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what games do you play

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:10 AM

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a lot

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:10 AM

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@silver lion https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sph7Pn fixed list

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:11 AM

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fixed a list that doesn't fit his theme

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:11 AM

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yeah and it's more expensive

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But you picked it out really good with a 590

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:13 AM

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You're gaming at 1080p right?

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:13 AM

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yeah

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:13 AM

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so no point in the 590 to be honest

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:13 AM

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In total it is $20 more but is a list I can actually recommend without feeling like I am putting a your parts at risk

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@latent bronze that is a nonsense statement

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A 590 wont be doing 144hz 1080p ultra even

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Im mostly gonna play fortnite all low settings

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:15 AM

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with a 580 you can max it out

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Im trying to get as much fps as possible

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:16 AM

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@latent bronze I would like to see a single modern aaa game where you can get 1080p ultra 144fps with a 580...

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:16 AM

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@little osprey this is your thing you are thinking of every game besides for the games people would play

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:16 AM

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would fortnite get at least 144fps with a 580 all low settings

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:18 AM

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@latent bronze I'm thinking of every aaa game since the 580 launched and none would make your statement true. And @silver lion yes but I presume you will play more than one game with lowered settings if you are planning to buy a whole pc

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:18 AM

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when someone would build a system you question what they plan on doing with it and if it is mainly for gaming check to see what they play or want to play and then go on from there because yes the 590 would be fine and all but sometimes it can be too much because lets say he wanted to play a game like Overwatch as an example no one would recommend a 590 for that game at 1080p

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:19 AM

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i hate overwatch, but i see what your saying

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:19 AM

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I use games like that as an example

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The thing is he kept trying to tell me to get a 590 as well without thinking of asking what i am playing just thinking of every game out there which the games i play Nvidia would have a better benefit

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:20 AM

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@latent bronze i dont think you have played overwatch. That game also wount be doing max settings 100fps on a 580.

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it actually is pretty hard to run as you ramp settings up

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especially on the gpu

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:21 AM

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I get 100 fps on Overwatch with a 4gb 570

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Im pretty much gonna play rainbow six siege and fortnite

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:22 AM

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i play it cause i have friends to play with as well

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Overwatch's engine and gameplay favor much higher fps - many players using tweaks to bypass the cap and aim for 400 fps

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:23 AM

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I'm not gonna play overwatch

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:23 AM

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@silver lion we're not talking about just you in the matter of the examples

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:23 AM

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ok

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lol

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:23 AM

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not to mention im pretty sure the br is lacking ocp on the 12v rail

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which really isnt something you want to be missing

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it also uses a sleeve bearing fan

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which isnt going to last long

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and the steel legend is a pretty low amperage board compared to the tomahawk (overall this point doesn't matter too much)

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i also would suggest paying a couple $ more for a 10ns kit

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and not buying an x variant of the 2600 as zen plus has no binning process

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Hey, you said something I agree with

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Wait, the x570 steel legend vs b450 tomahawk? with reference to cpu vrm?

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 12:39 AM

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B450 Steel Legend

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:39 AM

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th b450

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the x570 steel legend actually is pretty amazing in terms of ripple

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also there really shouldn't be anything stated there that is up for debate or disagreeable with

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no ocp on 12v rail is factually a really bad thing

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zen plus parts arent binned on the x variants

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How do you measure ripple? If not yourself, what sources?

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Scope and differential probe?

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and 10ns kits are factually better than 10.6 kits

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@little osprey generally if a board doesnt have low switching frequencies and has a high phase count ripple wont be high

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So, while that may be a valid theory - how confident are you ?

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confident in what? that a high switching frequency and phase count will result in less ripple than a lower phase count board with a lower switching frequency? that isnt really up for debate and is a factual point so it isnt really a matter of confidence and instead a matter of basic understanding

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Rather, I ask again, have you personally measured, recorded, analyzed and shared your data with the community?
If not, what source(s) have led you to be so confident about these board characteristics. They must be pretty convincing, I'd love to see them. Always looking to learn tbh.

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What about higher order harmonics induced from the pwm carrier frequency?

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Even if Vripp is lower - increased EMI - especially where you don't want it - can cause more problems than ironing out those last few db of ripple - and that's my guess
edit- to clarify - I'm just stating a possible reason why one can't be so confident about initial assumptions

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:50 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gsMCJb The power supply comes with the cords and stuff right?

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:51 AM

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yes

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:51 AM

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ok good, it fits perfectly with the color scheme

limpid merlin Oct 1, 2019, 12:51 AM

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none of the rbg/leds in that build match lmao

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:51 AM

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i really dont think electromagnetic interference will be effecting the input voltage or current to a cpu or how stable that signal is

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:52 AM

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No im getting the case with black white and blue

limpid merlin Oct 1, 2019, 12:52 AM

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okay

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good

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:52 AM

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No? But you were going on earlier about how ripple on soc is important

limpid merlin Oct 1, 2019, 12:52 AM

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cause that green makes me wanna just say go with no leds

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:52 AM

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What about the memory , pcie, PCH etc traces

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:52 AM

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lol

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:52 AM

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@silver lion i will heavily recommend against that psu as it doesnt have labeled protections unless you can find a review that went in depth on protections for it

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:53 AM

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ok

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Protections? do you mean returns?

limpid merlin Oct 1, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Also you won't really see much of the LED from the PSU and would probably be better off with a lighting strip

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Seeing as the case has a psu shroud

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Don't be a fool, wrap your tool

silver lion Oct 1, 2019, 12:54 AM

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foof

limpid merlin Oct 1, 2019, 12:54 AM

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what keybaord @quick tide

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 12:57 AM

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@little osprey ripple on the soc is important and again is filtered by the soc vrm. the soc voltage and ripple correlate with the imc for ryzen and high or low spikes will cause damage or crashes. The traces also wont be likely to get close enough to cause any major interference (also for this part I need to double check some diagrams i have on am4 pin outs but im pretty sure on teh socket the pcie and soc traces are going to very different portions of the socket than the soc or vcore voltage are coming in from)

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@silver lion protections as in sip, ovp, uvp, ocp, ucp, otp, etc

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is filtered by the VRM? I wasn't implying EMI would reach the soc by first affecting the 12V plane or EPS12V / 24 pin ATX connector

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Please explain the difference between the terms SOC and IMC in context to zen2

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ripple on the psu side is filtered by the capacitors

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soc voltage is what goes to the imc and also goes to the gpu if applicable in the case of an apu. the imc is the integrated memory controller and not a voltage source

limpid merlin Oct 1, 2019, 1:00 AM

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@little osprey https://www.newegg.com/evga-600-bq-110-bq-0600-k1-600w/p/N82E16817438100?Item=N82E16817438100
Other than this only being bronze rated how would this be over his original?

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 1:00 AM

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this is why when pushing ram people will up the soc voltage as it will decrease the likelihood of an imc failure (most ram overclocking on zen is limited by the imc)

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@limpid merlin bq line completely lacks ocp and otp

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otp matters less but ocp is a huge issue

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ocp in my opinion is the most omportant protection period

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if a psu is missing ocp do not use it

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(when i said gpu there i meant integrated gpu to be clear )

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the s12iii does lack otp which sucks but it maintains all connected part protections

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also avoid the s12ii as it is not the same psu and lacks ocp, uvp, and otp

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same with the m12ii

limpid merlin Oct 1, 2019, 1:05 AM

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https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-smart-m-series-sp-650m-650w/p/N82E16817153187?Item=N82E16817153187
This any better, just trying to find something that'd work for him that isn't $100

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 1:06 AM

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i dont have info on that but im gonna guess no

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the commander iii and s12iii and cx are his best bets

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especially the commander iii

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that psu is literally a god send

limpid merlin Oct 1, 2019, 1:06 AM

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"Heavy-duty protection circuitry of Over Current, Over Voltage, Under Voltage, Over Power and Short-Circuit
protections."

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 1:07 AM

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@limpid merlin there are plenty of psu with that description on newegg that are missing protections or only have partial protections

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such as missing ocp on 12v rail in many of them

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What PSU do you currently use? If you had no budget, what would be your picks for a ~750W , 1000W, and 1200+W unit?

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Most importantly - why?

tender field Oct 1, 2019, 1:10 AM

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📎 20190930_195557.jpg 📎 IMG-20190930-WA0002.jpg

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 1:11 AM

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why did you buy ll fans or a corsair aio...

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 1:11 AM

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That is a Deepcool Matrexx isn't it

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 1:11 AM

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or an asus x570 board...

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Lol got some hate got asus x570? Too few phases there? Need moar doubler?

tender field Oct 1, 2019, 1:13 AM

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I want rgb

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 1:14 AM

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asus basically used a high amperage design to get by the poor testing methodology of most reviewers where they will only test temps (which only matter if you are hitting a pont where mofets get damaged) and realized basically none check what really matters in a vrm so they dont have to focus on ripple or transient response in their design at all

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and the x570 crosshair viii is a joke

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a single soc phase and 7 vcore phases

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i would honestly take any non asus x570 board over it

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 1:15 AM

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@tender field is that the Deepcool Matrexx 55 case?

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 1:15 AM

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i specify non asus as asus somehow also has all the other boards on x570 i consider worse

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also corsair aios mostly are just bland asetek aios using the standard pump, radiator, and block of all other asetek aios but with a higher price

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so in other words a bad deal

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 1:16 AM

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I am asking cause if it is you would be better off keeping the tempered glass panel off

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 1:20 AM

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What kind of ripple and transient respones testing do you do?

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Do you think that 7 phases for core vcc and another, each with a pair of IR 3555's is insufficient in terms of transient performance for say, a 3900x in the C8H?

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If so, which voltage controller, FETS/powerstages / chokes / general design would you go with? What's a mothboard that "knocked it out of the park" in your book?

next sand Oct 1, 2019, 1:24 AM

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biostar x570

latent bronze Oct 1, 2019, 1:26 AM

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@little osprey has he still never answered your question on that?

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Saves us both time to drop it

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 1:58 AM

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i didnt answer because im not always watching the chat...

chilly marsh Oct 1, 2019, 2:00 AM

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yeah im not even gonna read the context of this convo lol

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 2:00 AM

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a good source would be buildzoid but for much of my analysis i feel my own understanding on a vrm and different components should be enough to draw a fare conclusion if there is no available direct source who tested the ripple or transients of a board or if I do not have direct access to that board to test myself

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also, better ripple and transients matters for any cpu. it isnt a matter of "can i handle this cpu with this much ripple". you are thinking of rated amperage which isnt really relevant with ryzen as most ryzen parts are low power

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i actually have thought of making my own board as well and maybe having it printed and buying the components to complete it but that will have to wait as i still need to finish laying out the block diagram for my planned low latency (unfortunately not so saleable) architecture that i have planned out awhile ago and i also need to finish the turing, volta, pascal, (Vega maybe but the block diagrams for it aren't too far off so i might not make one for gcn 5.0 or 5.1), and skylake/coffeelake block diagrams first.

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i also would like to make a proper rdna block diagram but i cant find an ir die shot of any navi 10 or navi 14.

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(with navi 14 ir die shots being difficult to find for obvious reasons)

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Well hey, I've got a few Intel, AMD, and other boards, cards, chips etc from the last few gens, if you're particularly curious, I'l lbe happy to give whatever it is you want to test a shot - transient response, ripple, vdroop , w/e. Can't measure anything nearing 1 GHz - but other than ddr4 etc - not too important usually.

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im more interested in the die shots under an ir microscope for gpus and cpus

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if you have an ir microscope however those images would be appreciated

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IR microscope? Like infra red?

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yes'

next sand Oct 1, 2019, 2:29 PM

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popcrn, you want to make your own motherboard or GPU card?

wraith terrace Oct 1, 2019, 5:13 PM

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can someone help me pick out a psu am so confused how much i actually need

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Pcpartpicker.com does a great job of estimating wattage for you

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 5:42 PM

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@next sand I plan to eventually make my own motherboard for the hell of it and am making an architecture focused on the task I do such as raytracing to render assets and scene light baking (which really is a pain)

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@stark spruce it really doesnt as they calculate wattage off tdp

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 5:48 PM

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As far as I’m aware it overestimates slightly so you may end up with slightly more psu than you need

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 5:48 PM

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@stark spruce that isnt at all what it does or how it works or how you select a psu

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You want a psu to be around 50% load or just over that

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You also dont calculate off tdp

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As tdp not only doesnt mean power draw but in certain cases is very far from that

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 5:50 PM

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According to them, They estimate what you’d expect under full load

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And I understand tdp

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 5:52 PM

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The best way to calculate wattage is to ignore tdp, not use pcpp, and do basic research into what your parts will draw and attempt to target 50% load on a psu

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As again, most psu efficiency curves max at 50% load and will have major dropoff sub or post that

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One of the psu with a better curve with less of a dropoff is the commander iii again

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Again I understand psu efficiency curves, I don’t need someone explaining them to me. Most people aren’t shooting for the highest efficiency they just want something that will work.
Plus if you were truly going for highest efficiency you want average use case to be around 50-60% load not full load at 50-60%. If you set full load at 50-60% of the PSU, you’ll drop way below that at idle.

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 6:32 PM

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The reason you want max efficiency at full load has to do with tempa

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*temps

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Full load is where you will see temps spike up on the psu and also where you will see a psu start to see issues if you have some sort of dust buildup or a case that restricts airflow to the psu.

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 6:36 PM

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So you are saying if my full load is 500w I want a 1000w psu?

sudden turret Oct 1, 2019, 6:37 PM

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🤔

vague willow Oct 1, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Aren't you supposed to have like 100w more than required to be safe or something?

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 6:57 PM

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@stark spruce no system realistically with a single modern gpu will get to 500w unless using some server grade cpu.

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 6:58 PM

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I was just using it as an example not necessarily an avg real world situation

deep skiff Oct 1, 2019, 6:58 PM

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@little osprey have you seen a Vega with power play mods

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 6:59 PM

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@vague willow no, leaving your system with only 100w until tripping ocp is not a good idea as with many psu that will result in crashes from power spikes or even high temps that may kill the psu in a high dust or low airflow scenario

deep skiff Oct 1, 2019, 6:59 PM

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they draw like 300 alone

vague willow Oct 1, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Soo more than 100

deep skiff Oct 1, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Just get a 650-750w and you should be fine

vague willow Oct 1, 2019, 6:59 PM

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?

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 7:00 PM

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You also didn’t answer the question @little osprey

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 7:00 PM

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@deep skiff even a v64 system with its power limit removed wont realistically be nearing 500w and generally someone pushing just the GPU isnt pushing the cpu as much

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@stark spruce the answer is yes. If someone has a system drawing 500w they likely have multiple high power gpus and some sort of high power CPU like a 9900k

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Thank you for answering the question

deep skiff Oct 1, 2019, 7:01 PM

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@little osprey bam 600w right there

📎 image0.jpg

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With a 8086k

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Hmm, from my time overclocking vega I really cant see that happening. My guess is gn may have overdone the voltage as even if fully boosted at stock voltages it literally cant reach that wattage. The big issue on vega however does tend to be power throttle hence why you can go directly from 1400mhz to 1600mhz on the core from a power mod or undervolting without touching the core

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But as switching frequency unlike voltage isnt a squared relation with power if voltage isnt changed at most you will see a 13% power increase without touching voltage

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 7:05 PM

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You don’t want a PSU to be at 50-60% load at PC full load

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Plain and simple. When the pc idles you’ll most likely be down around 10% PSU load which is where efficiency can drop below 50% for some PSUs

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Did you fail to read any of what I wrote?

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At idle wattage first off wasted power is almost nothing so not much power is wasted as heat so a psu wont overheat from that

deep skiff Oct 1, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Give it 100-200w more than it needs

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The psu fears this man https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/brpm0e/firestrike_extreme_w_flashed_galax_vbios_1000w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Firestrike Extreme w/ flashed Galax VBIOS 1000W+ (Sound on)

Posted in r/overclocking by u/colecodez • 7 points and 5 comments

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Load wattage however heat does become an issue and in the case of dust buildup or poor ventilation a psu will overheat

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There are certain psus where this would need to be more extreme to become an issue but many post half load do get pretty close to cap damaging temps or tripping otp

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 7:09 PM

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This is what psus must meet to achieve The different levels of 80 plus certification

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Which is irrelevant to the conversation...

stark spruce Oct 1, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Not really

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Temps and efficiency relate but even the certification other than titanium only test 3 points which allows for major dropoffs inbetween those test points with certain designs and also again shows that at those test points other than half load efficiency can be lower

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There are even psus that in half load would count a tier or 2 higher than they are rated as

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Which again suffer from hard dropoffs in efficiency and as a result temp increases on the higher than half load point

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As more power is getting lost to heat in terms of percentile with a larger overall wattage temps will exponentially increase

deep skiff Oct 1, 2019, 7:16 PM

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But will the average user really care about 90% vs 96% efficiency?

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most likely not

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 7:17 PM

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@deep skiff if a psu has poor cooling and they have a restrictive case and at the lower point hit otp and their system shuts down or they lack otp and the psu dies (both cases pay is effectively useless for them now) then yes

deep skiff Oct 1, 2019, 7:17 PM

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But the majority don’t do that

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 7:18 PM

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The majority dont have psus with poor cooling GWlulurdMegaLul

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Or cases with poor ventilation

sudden turret Oct 1, 2019, 7:55 PM

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sigh

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Skimming through all that - let's not give dangerous, poorly informed advice on matters that could result in a fire hazard -ya?

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lime forge Oct 1, 2019, 8:11 PM

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@little osprey please stop sending messages to all the channels with that

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 8:12 PM

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i am trying to get rid of the unread alert. it won;'t go away otherwise @lime forge

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i think its a glitch

lime forge Oct 1, 2019, 8:12 PM

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try updating/restarting discord

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 8:12 PM

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im on the website on a chromebook

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gtg to p.e.--my least favorite class

lime forge Oct 1, 2019, 8:13 PM

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have fun

jagged fern Oct 1, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Hello

lime forge Oct 1, 2019, 9:46 PM

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hey

little osprey Oct 1, 2019, 9:46 PM

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I thought a certain someone else changed their name for a sec, relieved

lime forge Oct 1, 2019, 9:47 PM

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haha

silver lion Oct 2, 2019, 1:33 AM

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What is a mod trainee

chilly marsh Oct 2, 2019, 1:33 AM

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exactly what it says

silver lion Oct 2, 2019, 1:35 AM

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what does this mean on PcPartPicker: Note:Some physical dimension restrictions cannot (yet) be automatically checked, such as cpu cooler / RAM clearance with modules using tall heat spreaders

chilly marsh Oct 2, 2019, 1:37 AM

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it doesnt know whether certain parts it says can fit with one another

silver lion Oct 2, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Ok thanks

chilly marsh Oct 2, 2019, 1:37 AM

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anytime

fossil hedge Oct 2, 2019, 3:44 AM

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tada

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500102940078505984/628793317320294420/unknown.png

shy coral Oct 2, 2019, 4:12 AM

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just found someone supposedly selling a gaming pc with a i7 8700k and 11g video card with 16 gigs of ram

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for 450$ seems fishy lmao

lime forge Oct 2, 2019, 4:12 AM

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yeah, i wouldnt trust that

shy coral Oct 2, 2019, 4:12 AM

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my bad its a gtx 1080

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still seems fishy

lime forge Oct 2, 2019, 4:13 AM

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yeah, especially when a used 1080 can go for $400

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theo_smelling_fingers

shy coral Oct 2, 2019, 4:13 AM

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right

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his reasoning was "he really needs the money his loss"

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also looks water cooled but he didnt add that in the description 🤔

limpid merlin Oct 2, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Used 1080 doesnt go for 400, its 330 at best and that's for strix models or similat

lime forge Oct 2, 2019, 4:04 PM

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ive never bought used so i wouldnt know 🤡🤡

deep skiff Oct 2, 2019, 4:15 PM

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@lime forge let me educate you on 1080’s used with my oc’d 1070 ti strix 😉

lime forge Oct 2, 2019, 4:16 PM

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shhh

vague willow Oct 2, 2019, 9:32 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CV9G1BO/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_zDrLDb232BZE2

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You guys think a low profile 1050ti would work in something like this?

soft holly Oct 3, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Hey guys i know ive been constantly asking and changing my build but thats it its finally over im gonna order the parts tonight but before i do did i miss anything??? Change or something

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lime forge Oct 3, 2019, 12:38 AM

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wtf

latent bronze Oct 3, 2019, 12:38 AM

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It is an alright build but i would check on reviews for the MSI cards

lime forge Oct 3, 2019, 12:38 AM

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forbidden cpu cooler

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little osprey Oct 3, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Check the GQ review as well - don't remember that one off the top of my head - it's not a superflower like most EVGA

deep skiff Oct 3, 2019, 12:42 AM

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id look at a 5700xt like powercolor or sapphire also

lime forge Oct 3, 2019, 12:42 AM

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yeah thats a fantastic card with fantastic brands

latent bronze Oct 3, 2019, 12:43 AM

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some of the cheaper MSI cards i have known for them getting quite loud

lime forge Oct 3, 2019, 12:43 AM

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what if i switch being amd/intel fanboy every month just to throw people off

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brainlet

latent bronze Oct 3, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Telling us that wont throw us off then

little osprey Oct 3, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Pulse is good, personally I'd get the strix and hope it has a good warranty

soft holly Oct 3, 2019, 12:45 AM

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The GQ has pretty good reviews

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latent bronze Oct 3, 2019, 12:46 AM

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i would look for reviews outside of amazon

lime forge Oct 3, 2019, 12:46 AM

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ew at&t
charge ur phone
read articles about the products too
shop on newegg.com

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(jk about the first one)

latent bronze Oct 3, 2019, 12:47 AM

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zack you forgot to tell him to charge his phone

little osprey Oct 3, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Look at both quantity and quality of amazon/newegg reviews - to make sure a unit isn't obviously prone to failure - then go check reviews by Aris from Tom's hardware, jonnyguru, etc

lime forge Oct 3, 2019, 12:47 AM

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@latent bronze #2

latent bronze Oct 3, 2019, 12:47 AM

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i didn't see cause you said ur instead of your lol

lime forge Oct 3, 2019, 12:48 AM

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brainlet

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lol

magic vigil Oct 3, 2019, 2:12 AM

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What's the best z390 for overclocking under $350

fossil hedge Oct 4, 2019, 3:16 AM

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say hello to my most arodinamic drag race car of a drag cof... .08

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capable of staying stable at 150m/s

chilly marsh Oct 4, 2019, 3:17 AM

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what.

fossil hedge Oct 4, 2019, 3:21 AM

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well its a super duper arodinamic car kinda

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my race car,

chilly marsh Oct 4, 2019, 3:22 AM

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ok?

fossil hedge Oct 4, 2019, 3:22 AM

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ok.

fallow knoll Oct 4, 2019, 6:28 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20191004-012724_Amazon_Shopping.jpg 📎 Screenshot_20191004-012745_Amazon_Shopping.jpg

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Someone help me understand the difference between the two if yall dont mind.

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The one that will be in stock on oct 6th is what the video shows i should get. The one that is in stock is what is available

vague willow Oct 4, 2019, 7:40 AM

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Well one is 550watts and the other is 500watts and 80+ white certified

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80+ is the ranking system for quality

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As for which one to get idk bruv

chilly marsh Oct 4, 2019, 6:52 PM

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ye

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prob the 550 if you wanna upgrade tho

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 7:58 PM

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@fallow knoll both lack otp and ocp and if im not mistaken use sleeve bearing fans so they are a good way to kill your system

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:00 PM

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explain to me what otp and ocp is please

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:01 PM

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@soft holly you can save a ton of money and get a 5700 and end up with a sort of faster gpu, avoid the h510 as it has terrible airflow and is overpriced along with being a pain to build in with custom cables, that lpx kit is really overpriced for 10ns and lpx kits have issues reaching rated speeds due to binning issues, change ssd to something using the sm2258g as it will last longer and save you over 50% on the ssd.

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@bright quartz overcurrent protection and it is probably the most important protection your psu can have

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:02 PM

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I wonder if mine has that

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:02 PM

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if you have that evga psu then no

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Thermaltake

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600W

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:02 PM

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most evga psus lack ocp

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which thermaltake?

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Smart Series 600W

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:03 PM

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let me double check as i havent checked the smart series in a long time but im pretty sure it is missing primary protections too but again give me a sec to check

lime forge Oct 4, 2019, 8:03 PM

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thermaltake power supplies clubpenguin_dance

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:03 PM

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what does 3 penguin dance mean

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my friend said Thermaltake is good

lime forge Oct 4, 2019, 8:04 PM

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just expressing that i like thermaltake

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:09 PM

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https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5613/thermaltake-smart-750-watt-80-plus-bronze-power-supply-review/index5.html

if from this line it is missing otp which isnt too big of a deal as it has ocp and unless missing ocp otp doesnt really matter much (unless a fan fails and you are the type of person to replace the fan and not rma). @bright quartz

TweakTown

Thermaltake SMART 750-Watt 80 PLUS Bronze Power Supply Review

Page 5 [Test Results and Final Thoughts]... Thermaltake's latest mainstream power supply is easy on the pocket and delivers more than most would expect.

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Is there difference between 600 and 750

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other than watt amount

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and cable count

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:10 PM

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if they are from the same line likely no

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in terms of protections and base design that is

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:10 PM

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cool

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:11 PM

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overall i would say you are much better off with the psu you have than people getting cxm psus which also lack 12v ocp

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both versions of cxm do

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:12 PM

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I traded out a 430W EVGA for my new 600W Thermaltake

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:13 PM

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considering how many evga psus are missing primary protections im willing to bet you got the better end of that deal lol

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:13 PM

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I had a GTX 950, which at the time I thought was giving me issues

lime forge Oct 4, 2019, 8:13 PM

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just the jump from 430 to 600w alone is a good upgrade

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:14 PM

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so until I got a new gpu, I was going to use my gtx 770

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which needed way more power

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so I just upgraded power supply

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and used my 770

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I figured out that it wasnt the 950 giving me issues, but my power strip I was using

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and also my monitor

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so I went in a big circle of PC parts lol

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I bought a new monitor and a gtx 1070

lime forge Oct 4, 2019, 8:15 PM

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1070 (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:15 PM

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what does that mean

lime forge Oct 4, 2019, 8:15 PM

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it means 1070 kicks butt

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:16 PM

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in a good way?

lime forge Oct 4, 2019, 8:16 PM

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yes

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:16 PM

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yeah, its way better than my 770

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I play Rainbow 6 Siege

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I get about 50 more fps than my 770

lime forge Oct 4, 2019, 8:19 PM

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nice

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:20 PM

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says nothing

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I am disappointed

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Haven't seen you around, how's it going?

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:21 PM

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I just joined about a half hour ago

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I am Harold, and its going well

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:22 PM

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i have been bored as i agreed not to break some diet which involves not drinking ;-;

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Keto? tbh I'd be down for a health/food/fitnes channel

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keto is part of it

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Life is short, eat calories

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:23 PM

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I need to post more in the overclocking channel, gotta keep it alive haha

agile gust Oct 4, 2019, 8:23 PM

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@little osprey I think once I get the new PSU and all the new cables in I am going to take some new pictures. Seeing how its a new PSU, new GPUs, bridge, all that good stuff. Its not a new build, but a redo for sure.

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Seems like a few others caught the 3dmark bug last night, makes me happy to see

agile gust Oct 4, 2019, 8:23 PM

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lol I think so too

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Good program

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worth every penny

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:24 PM

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@agile gust Nice - happy to help/give input if wanted as always

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Also - to anyone - hmu for my EVGA associate code and you can save 5-10%

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:24 PM

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I have a whole second computers worth of parts on my shelf, but no case that will fit it all

agile gust Oct 4, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Always glad to have people like yourself here to help with the stuff I dont know much about. You able to join voice?

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I have a funny story for ya

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Mobo box works as a nice test bench

agile gust Oct 4, 2019, 8:26 PM

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it does. I also have a Praxis wetbench

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:27 PM

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hey - I could appreciate some build advice for once - I've been looking at options for a 220mm to 600mm PCIe shielded + stranded riser. Phantaks has 2 high quality one? 1 questionable, thermaltake as well, and of course china goods

lime forge Oct 4, 2019, 8:27 PM

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haha it would be nice if thermaltake made a psu like this in 1600w

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ah

agile gust Oct 4, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Yes it would be

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:27 PM

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TBH - I'm a diehard seasonic PSU fan

agile gust Oct 4, 2019, 8:27 PM

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I would have gotten it.

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I love my TT

lime forge Oct 4, 2019, 8:28 PM

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i just got the phantecks one, my dad got the thermaltake one, will keep you posted on how well they work

agile gust Oct 4, 2019, 8:28 PM

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@noble jewel is my HERO!!!!

lime forge Oct 4, 2019, 8:28 PM

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i've heard good things about the phantecks one, especially because it had that 90 degree adapter

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if its going in a thermaltake case with a thermaltake mount for it i recommend the thermaltake one because it mounts nice

warm nova Oct 4, 2019, 8:33 PM

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I have been really happy with my evga

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well, I have 3 of them. But my G2L is about 3 years old

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and has been great

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I have a 650 B3 as well but it doesnt get used very often.

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:37 PM

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I should take more pictures lol.

warm nova Oct 4, 2019, 8:37 PM

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The other one I dont even remember the model. I think its a bq or something like that.

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Of like - aesthetically appealing builds - not just parts on a desk looking like a hood-rich flex

sudden turret Oct 4, 2019, 8:41 PM

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did someone say bbq

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oh

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nm.

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Nice, link the part to show what's in it - but even bad b-die is good die

warm nova Oct 4, 2019, 8:43 PM

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I haven't tried to tweak it yet other than trying to get mixed ram working, but the bdie doesnt seems to want to boot higher than 3200 at xmp volts and timings.

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but I have all 4 sticks working at 3200 which is more than I expected to get

little osprey Oct 4, 2019, 8:46 PM

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I wouldn't really mix sticks either tbh - I'm loving these ballistix 3600 c16 RevE's though, would make a great 4x16 rig on high end once the price drops

bright quartz Oct 4, 2019, 8:48 PM

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deditated wam - minecraft kid

fallow knoll Oct 5, 2019, 2:40 AM

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@little osprey why are sleeves bad?

little osprey Oct 5, 2019, 2:40 AM

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?

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@fallow knoll what do you mean?

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you mean sleeve bearing fans or psu cable sleeves?

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sleeve bearing fans are bottom of the barrel and not designed to last long at all

little osprey Oct 5, 2019, 3:11 AM

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If PSU death by sleeve bearing fan failure was compared to PSU death by fluid dynamic, or ball bearing failure - it'd be like the difference between your car's left, or right tire suffering a blowout ifrst.

Tires are important, but there are more important components under the hood that I have questions about.

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most psu failures or effective failures will be due to a fan failing which will cause a constant tripping of otp or a cap pop if otp isnt in place (which isnt too big of a deal if all other connected part protections are in place).

fallow knoll Oct 5, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Well @little osprey i went with EVGA 600 BR, 80+ Bronze 600W, 3 Year Warranty, Power Supply 100- BR-0600-K1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DTP6QKG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_bebMDb3TCQBEQ

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📎 Screenshot_20191004-224303_Amazon_Shopping.jpg

little osprey Oct 5, 2019, 3:51 AM

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@fallow knoll i would pretty heavily suggest against that as it doesnt yet have a full professional psu review and knowing evga's other psu's in similar positions it is more than likely it doesnt have full ocp.

fallow knoll Oct 5, 2019, 3:54 AM

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It is being delivered tomorrow :/ what cheap psu as cheap as $60 would you recommend?

little osprey Oct 5, 2019, 3:55 AM

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commander iii 600w mostly

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and cx550w is another option but i would not really recommend it nearly as heavily as the commander iii for most systems

fallow knoll Oct 5, 2019, 3:59 AM

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That is a $110 psu

fallow knoll Oct 5, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Also, with a Ryzen 5 2600 should I stick with my 8Gb (2 sticks of 4) 2400 mhz or upgrade to 3200 mhz sticks?

chilly marsh Oct 5, 2019, 4:36 AM

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better to save up for 16gb instead

little osprey Oct 5, 2019, 7:01 AM

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The commander iii is $60

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You should instead look at both timings and clock as there are 3200mhz kits that are slower than 2400mhz kits

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Hell, the slowest ddr4 kit I have seen to date was a 3200mhz kit

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It was 3200mhz cl22

fallow knoll Oct 5, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Oops meant 16gb. I have 2 8gb stick with 2400mhz.

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That is the one I purchased a while back from someone on letgo and have beem using it. Is it decent enough to keep or no?

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Its brand is Ballistix

deep skiff Oct 5, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Zen+ doesn’t like fast ram as much as Zen2, I’d say keep it

latent bronze Oct 5, 2019, 8:47 PM

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But Zen+ does like fast memory cause i noticed a performance difference when going from 2400MHz memory to 3000MHz memory

deep skiff Oct 5, 2019, 8:54 PM

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but is it worth $70?

sudden turret Oct 5, 2019, 8:56 PM

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zen eats up my 3600

latent bronze Oct 5, 2019, 9:14 PM

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for faster memory of course

fallow knoll Oct 6, 2019, 12:53 AM

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So I am building my computer right now, I have the Rosewill Cube Mini ITX/Micro-ATX/ATX Mid Tower Gaming PC Computer Case, and I have the Gigabyte B450M DS3H Motherboard. I installed the motherboard, but there is no place to plug my case fans in. And with my EVGA 600 BR it doesn't have a place for me to plug the case fans in either. Anyone know what to do.

chilly marsh Oct 6, 2019, 1:26 AM

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it should have one

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https://gyazo.com/4e63017c0283e5479b828812de9b9a48

Gyazo

fallow knoll Oct 6, 2019, 2:31 AM

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There are 3 case fans and the cpu fan. The cpu fan is in one and then one case fan is in the other
Two of my fans arent running

chilly marsh Oct 6, 2019, 2:32 AM

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do you have a fan hub

fallow knoll Oct 6, 2019, 2:50 AM

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No. How much does one cost?

chilly marsh Oct 6, 2019, 3:08 AM

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usually pretty cheap

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 4:39 AM

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What's a good rgb memory set... 16gb no more than 200??

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32gb is fine too

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Um

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That’s super easy

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https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232476

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You can get it for less too

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 4:47 AM

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Yea, but just wanted to get other options too.. have the same set in mind... was thinking about a set not many would get??

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 4:47 AM

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Just a sec

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https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821162

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How bout that

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I’ll be back soonish but i’ll look here

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Finally someone else that realizes that getting trident a rgb 10ns ram kits is a good way to waste money

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But I think the olloy kit is $10 cheaper on some other site based on pcpp

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Need 3600

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32gb or 64gb would be great for max rgb effect😂😂

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 4:54 AM

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@sweet charm dont look at just the clock

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Plenty of 3600mhz kits arent even 10ns

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And as a result are effectively slower

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Yea I know, but need it for ryzen 3rd gen

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Doesnt change a thing

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Third gen ryzen doesnt magically ignore the effective latency

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Yes it does😂😂😂

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I know

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Tryna get the fastest speed possible with the lowest latency possible too

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 5:01 AM

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@sweet charm both clock and timings relate to the effective latency of the ram

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 5:02 AM

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What would be good??

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Cause I want it to be faster and with less latency

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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generally 10ns is the best point to target

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cheap and usually will be fast enough

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and many 10ns kits will use higher end dies like e dies

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Oh okay

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 5:27 AM

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You help him next time then

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 5:33 AM

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@scarlet spear i was agreeing with your recommendation

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Something better😂😂

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🤔🤔

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 5:34 AM

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But you said tridents were a waste of money

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Oh you mean literally

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A good way to waste money

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Not a bad way

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@sweet charm olloy carries a 3600 version

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 5:35 AM

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What would be the best of the best?

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Depends on what you consider the best

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Best middle ground is what we’ve been talking about

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Rgb and best speeds

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High end

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😁

quaint terrace Oct 6, 2019, 5:36 AM

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wuuut

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Didn’t Corsair come out with some new 4600 platinums?

latent bronze Oct 6, 2019, 5:37 AM

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If you're talking about for Ryzen 3000 CPU's then 3600 would be the best to use right now

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 5:37 AM

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https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236532 never buy this

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It’s the god of ram, but not at all ok in price

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 5:38 AM

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@scarlet spear i was agreeing with the olloy

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Oh I see

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 5:39 AM

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the trident kit is just overpriced for the speed it is at

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 5:39 AM

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3200?

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It could stand to lower $10-20

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 5:40 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gHBhP6/oloy-warhawk-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-md4u163216besa

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it is the cheapest 10ns kit in the us

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 5:42 AM

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I want the $600 set

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😁😁

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But

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I only got a budget of like 200-250

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Want to use it all up

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 5:44 AM

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200-250 for ram?

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Yes

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😁😁

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Could get you some RAM and then water cool it. I am going to be doing it in my new build.

sweet charm Oct 6, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Huh??

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Never seen that before

scarlet spear Oct 6, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Goodnight guys I’m super tired

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That sounds cool

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 5:57 AM

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https://www.ttpremium.com/product/pacific-a1-ddr4-ram-water-block/

ttpremium

admin

Pacific A1 DDR4 RAM Water Block

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You take the RAM and strip it on the heat sink or buy it without it and put theirs on and add the top part.

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Although you want to go with non-rgb DIMMs with just side heatsinks.

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:00 AM

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that doesnt seem to even run any liquid to a block over dies so that isnt too good of a deal nor would it at all be effective

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 6:01 AM

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and you have used this and know?

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:01 AM

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not to mention making that sharp of a turn with hard tubing that fast would not be easy and it will basically create a hot box over the ram dies while not also kill a good portion of the loops flow rate

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Do you even water cool at all?

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:02 AM

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yes and that should be apparent by now

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 6:02 AM

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no never seen a single build from you.

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and it does work.

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:03 AM

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looked at all hte images and no liquid seems to flow past the dies

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 6:03 AM

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images....

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im done

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:04 AM

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it simply has a small effectively flow impeder that touces the top layer with liquid which isnt where any hotspots will be

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 6:04 AM

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try putting it on a wetbench and testing it before you try and give an opinion on it.

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:04 AM

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so unless you run -30c liquid through it the heat gap wont be enough to rapidly dissipate the heat

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wait a minute, were't you the guy who tried to argue ek is good?

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trust me when i say you may want to take some outside advice on this and save your money

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Nope

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outside advice? You act like I work for TT or something

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:07 AM

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your loop will thank you and so will your ram as it wont have a hotbox blocking multiple angles of airflow from passing the heat spreaders

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 6:07 AM

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is my OPINION inside advice now?

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You have never used the product to say what it will do it is all your opinion. I however have tested it and know that is not the case.

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:08 AM

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your opinion on anon subjective topic is not really relevant. the dies objectively aren't on the top of the ram sticks and this isn't a debate and the thing objectively isn't running liquid past the side

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i would like to see the flow of your loop before and after installing the thing and the temp on your ram before and after (more to see you try and gather the data than because i think it will be of use to your "opinion")

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 6:11 AM

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Go get you some and test it yourself. Gain some knowledge. I did my homework when it came out.

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:11 AM

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this i doubt

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especially considering the idea that no liquid or compartment allows any flow past the dies seemingly was a new revelation to you

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you see, when someone extensively researches a product they will at the very least understand flaws and details that can be spotted merely with a simple glance

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it would be like me "extensively researching" primochill vue only to somehow not notice it is an opaque fluid

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 6:14 AM

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=haha

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you dont even know who made WOW

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im done

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:14 AM

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vue is primochill

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i have used it in the past

agile gust Oct 6, 2019, 6:15 AM

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your just some know it all

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im done talking to you

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BAHAHA

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 6:15 AM

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although i had to give it short use cycles in order to avoid it thickening

cunning jay Oct 6, 2019, 8:20 AM

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How is knowing the creator of a video game relevant to pc parts? What sense does that make? @agile gust and he isn’t just some know it all, he actually gives viable reasoning behind his statement then just saying “I’ve done my research” which you clearly haven’t.

deep skiff Oct 6, 2019, 12:24 PM

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well honestly nobody's given any proof in these arguments, so they could be making it up

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and saying ek is bad, yes blocks like heat killer 4’s may be a little better, but it will have little impact on the performance

cunning jay Oct 6, 2019, 1:03 PM

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Very little is a broad statement in terms of general performance

deep skiff Oct 6, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Very broad sums up all the arguments

cunning jay Oct 6, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Ah, the adventure of arguments. What an amazing thing

deep skiff Oct 6, 2019, 1:13 PM

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popcorn just said ek was bad, never gave any proof, and never gave any better alternatives

cunning jay Oct 6, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Other then the obvious competition for watercooling. People sleep on Koolance and Byksi or however you spell em. Obviously we have heatkiller and that’s just 3 companies to name. EK is only popular because they have an amazing marketing team. But their lead designers are horrible and lack the common sense to “copy” the better companies while still overpricing the components

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With EK you arnt paying for the component, you are paying for the name. And the name is quickly fading as other companies are gaining traction

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But then again, their marketing team, will swoop in an save the day and that’s how we see “ All EK system” videos

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Same with asus with their ohhh so powerful “strix” aspect

deep skiff Oct 6, 2019, 1:17 PM

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im not arguing against that, I think that’s a good and valid point

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im just saying I’d like to see proof and statistics on the points

cunning jay Oct 6, 2019, 1:18 PM

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If I had the time and cared enough about the argument (sleepy time soon) then I would provide spec charts. Maybe catch me at a later time.

deep skiff Oct 6, 2019, 1:20 PM

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i wasn’t talking about you, I was just talking about in general the lack of evidence. So far it’s just “x is better, don’t get y” with some reasons but no proof

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 4:47 PM

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@deep skiff I gave my top picks as alternatives in the past such as xspc and bykski and I also sent a list of the common issues almost all ek blocks share.

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Note this is the worst block design bykski has as the fins arent in the flow direction

📎 Screenshot_20191006-125417_Chrome.jpg

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So the fact that almost every ek block loses to it is pretty sad

sudden turret Oct 6, 2019, 5:00 PM

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by a fraction of a Celsius.

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 5:04 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20191006-130428_Chrome.jpg

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@sudden turret the gap grows while you have a larger loop with more parts and the flow goes down and you are pushing warmer parts that are harder to cool

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Not to mention that bottom end bykski block also has a lower flow impedance than any of the ek blocks

cunning jay Oct 6, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Also, when you charge the price EK does, you expect it to win even if it’s a fraction of a Celsius. No excuses here @sudden turret

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 8:11 PM

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^

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charging the most and having the worst quality and some of the worst performance numbers isn't really something to be proud of

lime forge Oct 6, 2019, 8:15 PM

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holy crap bykski is hot garbage

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koolance wins by .5 of a degrees

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i am right

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 8:25 PM

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@lime forge the thing is that the block there is a block that goes as low as $50 and is their lowest tier block

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yet it all around beats ek in not impeding flow and beats almost all of ek's blocks in performance

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Kinda want that bykski gpu block ngl

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this is a cpu block comparison

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but their gpu blocks are amazing too

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I know, I've just been looking around at options on ebay/amazon

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just harder to find individual comparisons for gpu blocks as there are so many variations per pcb

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Ya, usually you see blocks for FE , asus, and EVGA most often - others sometimes, but less so.

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Not my taste - but smart move on corsair standardizing their microfin fab to cut costs.

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corsair uses modified asetek blocks for their custom loop parts

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they dont actually really make anything themselves other than the shell

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sort of like their aios lol

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On the hydro x line? I know the rads/tubing were hardwarelabs/other

soft holly Oct 6, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Hey guys so i just finished building my pc, i installed windows and everything was good. I turned it off and an hour later when o start is it just keeps loading. I checked the booting option and its set to UEFI: window boot manager (m.2 ......)

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Any ideas what could be the problem

round flare Oct 6, 2019, 8:55 PM

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I'm really confused my case tells me that in order for the mobo to control the rgb fans that come in the case I need to plug in a cable to a header which I already did

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I keep trying what that manual tells me and nothing

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Any ideas it doesn't register them in the setup either but they spin

little osprey Oct 6, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Lol, forgot - best move it here

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@round flare are you sure that the correct pins are in the correct spot. rgb if not argb will have a 12v, red, green, and blue pin and you have to make sure the correct outs co to the correct ins

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IIRC the board/connector have an arrow on the +12V common anode

latent bronze Oct 6, 2019, 11:07 PM

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@wind lark performance comes first over looks

wind lark Oct 6, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Yeah it has vega 11 graphics for now but im gonna get an rx 590 for christmas

deep skiff Oct 6, 2019, 11:15 PM

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@latent bronze noctua ceo be like

latent bronze Oct 6, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Well there is a lot of great cases out there with great airflow and it isn't anything fancy

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If someone wanted a little bit of looks and performance i would honestly suggest this case https://www.newegg.com/petrol-blue-fractal-design-focus-g-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352073

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@wind lark Go a little higher like a RX 5700

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 12:24 AM

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@little osprey sorry for the late reply, this is what the case manual says

📎 image0.jpg

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And I don't know why the picture turned upside down lmao

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I lined up the arrow like it said on the 12v grb header

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It doesn't let me switch it

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to any modes

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 12:26 AM

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If the case/board/fans doesn't come with the included wire you have to buy it yourself

little osprey Oct 7, 2019, 12:32 AM

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@round flare it is possible your rgb strip could use a different pattern for the colors so try to manually wire it if you have to

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if the issue is the wrong color occurring that is

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 12:34 AM

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no the issue is it's stuck in the same color and the motherboard won't control them not that they're the wrong color

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they're stuck at full blast and it's annoying

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the case does come with that cable

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I plugged it in like it says

little osprey Oct 7, 2019, 12:41 AM

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what motherboard is it?

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some dont have software controlled rgb headers and will just feed a single color signal through the rgb header

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Msi X570-A Pro

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 12:48 AM

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@round flare what are you trying to light up

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 12:49 AM

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the rgb fans in my case

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It's the thermaltake versa j24

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rgb version

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Did you plug them into the RGB header?

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 12:53 AM

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What would that be

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the one I showed above?

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 12:54 AM

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It would look something like this https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/12-987-031-01.jpg

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the connector on the right side would go into the RGB header

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Is the rgb header on the back side

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because there's this thing I have nothing plugged into

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it's in like this little panel all the fans are plugged into

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I can't explain but I have that cable

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I'll see if that's where I'm supposed to put it

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 12:58 AM

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normally the headers would be located here https://i.gyazo.com/5784b73e20895be04f7fd69228e5c276.png

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sometimes on the bottom

chilly marsh Oct 7, 2019, 12:58 AM

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ye

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 12:58 AM

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the 12v is on the top and bottom for me

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I have two I mean

chilly marsh Oct 7, 2019, 12:58 AM

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your mb manual is your best friend when plugging all those cables in

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it'll prob help you the most

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 12:59 AM

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I've looked at it and the only thing it tells me is cpu and m.2 installation

chilly marsh Oct 7, 2019, 12:59 AM

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try to understand and follow it, and if you dont understand certain things, you can ask people here, but usually it should help you understand everything

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did you look through all of it?

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 1:01 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/211e369925d96b0a6dcba847382b9c88.png straight from his manual and already i see 2 RGB headers

chilly marsh Oct 7, 2019, 1:01 AM

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same

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 1:01 AM

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one of them highlighted

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 1:01 AM

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yeah that's the one I'm using

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I have the cable plugged in

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 1:02 AM

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take a picture of what you have plugged in

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if it doesn't look similar to the connector i mentioned then you have it wrong

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Give me a few need finish some stuff up

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 1:03 AM

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ok

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 1:52 AM

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sorry for the long wait

📎 image0.jpg

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@latent bronze

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 1:55 AM

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The fans are also hooked up to the fan headers on the board or are they being powered by the PSU

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Are those the fan headers

📎 image0.jpg

lime forge Oct 7, 2019, 1:58 AM

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these are

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📎 unknown.png

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Right and I have nothing in them

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What does the cable look like for those

rough loom Oct 7, 2019, 2:00 AM

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4 pin little cable XD

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 2:01 AM

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yeah the makes sense sorry it's my first build

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I can't see anything like that though

chilly marsh Oct 7, 2019, 2:04 AM

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for my first build, i tried to understand as much as i could in the manual, then plugged whatever it said to plug in lol

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i already knew what to plug for the cpu and whatnot, only things that took more thinking was where the smaller cables plugged into the mb

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Do I look for the manual online because the only one I have is the quick install

chilly marsh Oct 7, 2019, 2:05 AM

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it should come with your mb

round flare Oct 7, 2019, 2:15 AM

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is there something I should plug into this

📎 image0.jpg

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case doesn't talk about this at all

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 2:37 AM

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It will actually say fan on it

wind lark Oct 7, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Will it damage my pc if it’s on the carpet?

little osprey Oct 7, 2019, 1:41 PM

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no

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 1:56 PM

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depends

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if it is a bottom mounted PSU there is a chance for it to get damaged

bronze python Oct 7, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Just dust

lime forge Oct 7, 2019, 3:55 PM

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wtf

little osprey Oct 7, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Dust 2 is better

latent bronze Oct 7, 2019, 4:00 PM

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^

quaint terrace Oct 7, 2019, 7:15 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xfkrHB i think im gonna settle on this o: gonna start buying this coming weekend
im still open for any suggestions though, if any, thanks ^^
gonna be my first build so im still a little nervous teehee

oh and also theres like a note/compatibility thing, if anyone would like to explain it a little more or i guess suggest on what to change

deep skiff Oct 7, 2019, 7:22 PM

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@quaint terrace get the rx 5700xt gaming x, $17 shipping is too high and it performs the same as the nitro+

quaint terrace Oct 7, 2019, 7:23 PM

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MSI gaming x? O: oooh

nimble osprey Oct 8, 2019, 12:17 AM

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opinions on reselling my old pc: 2 4gb rx 480s, i-6700k aio cooled, 16gb ram, 256gb ssd, 1tb hdd, z170-k asus mobo, 850w

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Prices?

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:17 AM

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500$

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:18 AM

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what size aio?

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and is the psu 80+ or gold/silver/bronze or no?

nimble osprey Oct 8, 2019, 12:19 AM

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psu bronze, it's just a 120mm

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:19 AM

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yeah 500-550 would be a good price

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since the 6700k is near ryzen 2600 levels

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:20 AM

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I was mainly looking more on the CPU, GPU and the 8gb of memory

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:20 AM

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16gb u mean

nimble osprey Oct 8, 2019, 12:20 AM

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of gpu mem)

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:20 AM

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he said 2 4gb

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:20 AM

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oh ic vram

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:21 AM

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oh ya crossfire i mis read that

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about 550$ total then

nimble osprey Oct 8, 2019, 12:21 AM

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sounds good 🙂 thanks

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Looking at my current build what should I upgrade first and what to https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fy96hg

coarse coral Oct 8, 2019, 12:25 AM

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cpu

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Thought so

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Any recommendations underneath 200 bucks

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:25 AM

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3400G is a good APU if you are trying to cut corners on cost

coarse coral Oct 8, 2019, 12:25 AM

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3600

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:26 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:26 AM

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what about 2700x

coarse coral Oct 8, 2019, 12:26 AM

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https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600/p/N82E16819113569?Item=N82E16819113569&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2Fproduct%2F9nm323%2Famd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-.Bgln_lj8rAvXrAW7qhtfA

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3600 is 10%+ faster than 2700x and about same price

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and your board natively supports the new ryzens

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Oh okay

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what about gpu

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does that need any change or is it fine for now

coarse coral Oct 8, 2019, 12:27 AM

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depends, what do you plan to do

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and seems like you're on a budget too

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:27 AM

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I don't run any intensive games besides d2 which is the only one that takes a bot of a toll

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*bit

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yes I'm on a budget

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:27 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GrLQ7T

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you can find window keys for under $10

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ive used them and they work perfectly fine

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Nah I already have that build

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I showed

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I'm looking to upgrade

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:28 AM

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oh ic

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cpu probably if anything

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:28 AM

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ye alright

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I'll be on the lookout

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:29 AM

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RX 570 is still a good GPU but i would go for Sapphire over MSI

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:29 AM

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I saw microcenter sell it for 140 is that a good price

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the 3600

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:29 AM

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yeah thats a great price for a 3600

valid heron Oct 8, 2019, 12:29 AM

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Hey guys I’m trying to get a a wish list for stuff to save up to I was wondering what you guys think is the best pc possible to build at the moment

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:30 AM

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@valid heron what price range?

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:30 AM

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can't do much about the gpu I already bought it and I got a great deal at 130 I think

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:30 AM

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yeah thats a good price for a 8gb card

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:30 AM

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oh ok

valid heron Oct 8, 2019, 12:30 AM

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@deep skiff unlimited

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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So cpu is what would make the biggest difference

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correct

valid heron Oct 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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@deep skiff go crazy

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Unlimited

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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just for me for now on i am only going to buy GPU's that specializes in that GPU brand type

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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W H A T

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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which is why for my 1660 i went for EVGA

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Crossfire titan rtx's

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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you mean SLI

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Crossfire is AMD's thing

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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sorry I'm bad at pc'ing

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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oh boy here comes my x570 aqua build imma have fun

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 12:32 AM

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was someone buying a 3600

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:32 AM

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me sir but not this instant

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Ah - I was just gonna link the discount and promo code - both are in tech deals

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Unfortunately won't be able to right now but it's definitely the first thing I'm gonna upgrade before the end of the year

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:33 AM

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I think he sound something better than a promo code

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:34 AM

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microcenter

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but seeing that go on sale again is like the lottery

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they have too many things

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:35 AM

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anybody know how much ram the x570 aqua can support?

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:36 AM

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64gb i believe

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Wait is that the white board with water cooling I saw on bitwit

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:36 AM

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yes

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the 1000$ board

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Holy

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That's literally my build cost

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:36 AM

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i thought it was 128 but idk

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:36 AM

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It's a lot for sure

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Also who would ever need more than 32

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:37 AM

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i haven't looked at memory too much so if there is 32gb sticks then yes it would

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:37 AM

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if its the most overkill build its gotta have that board

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:37 AM

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so are you gonna sli rtx titans

valid heron Oct 8, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Yah if you guys can send me your favorite build I would appreciate it

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:37 AM

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If i won the lotto i would build a water loop system with that board

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would make things easier as well

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and for the case i would use that one from Lian Li

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:38 AM

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I would get elon musk to build me an ice cooled case

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wait what would happen if you put a pc in a vacuum

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like an air vacuum I mean

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:39 AM

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There are people that has built a PC inside of a freezer before

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:40 AM

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such good cooling the cou is subzero

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cpu

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:43 AM

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@valid heron

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DzRWZf

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 AM

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This i find would be the best case for easier to build water loop cooling with the ASRock Aqua https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GceR7tKrtjQ/maxresdefault.jpg

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:45 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XQHWZf

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here you go

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also this was me looking at prices only ok don't hurt me

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Idk much about pc

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:46 AM

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sli'd 2080 ti's are better than sli'd rtx titans for some reason

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:47 AM

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but

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it has titan in the name

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you can't

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NOT

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use it

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:47 AM

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mine has K|ngp|n

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which is cooler

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latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:49 AM

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you mean hybrid

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 12:49 AM

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you can replace it with a waterblock easily

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they designed it with customizing it in mind

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Well one thing is for sure i would still be cheap if i won the lotto cause i would use a 2060 super lol

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:50 AM

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nothing wrong with saving money

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:51 AM

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ya but if you won 50 million dollars that is just being cheap even after spending 1000$ on a motherboard lol

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oh and putting a Ryzen 5 3600 in it lol

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I would call it the cringe worthy system lol

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:52 AM

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raspberry pi is my rig after winning the lottery

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:53 AM

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I already own the Pi 3, 3B+ and 4 (with 2gb of memory)

round flare Oct 8, 2019, 12:53 AM

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what can it run

latent bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:54 AM

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3 and 3B+ you can run RetroPie which is retro games and the Pi 4 since that OS isn't out yet can use it for browsing and media

valid heron Oct 8, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Thanks for the help you guys

agile gust Oct 8, 2019, 2:07 AM

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@lime forge What do you think?

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lime forge Oct 8, 2019, 2:11 AM

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i think that graphics card is cutting it real close 😬

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other than that, its very clean

chilly marsh Oct 8, 2019, 2:12 AM

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lmao

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 2:12 AM

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if you replaced the case it'd look much better tho

chilly marsh Oct 8, 2019, 2:12 AM

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one micrometer

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actual NANOMETER

agile gust Oct 8, 2019, 2:18 AM

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idk I found it online

chilly marsh Oct 8, 2019, 2:18 AM

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it looks very nice, just the case could be improved

agile gust Oct 8, 2019, 2:18 AM

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thought ti was pretty impressive to fit it in

chilly marsh Oct 8, 2019, 2:18 AM

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it was

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 2:18 AM

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2080 ti?

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or 1080 ti

agile gust Oct 8, 2019, 2:19 AM

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not a clue

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just found it online

deep skiff Oct 8, 2019, 2:19 AM

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oh

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ic

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Hi Guys! I was wondering if someone could help me with a laptop configuration/specs comparison between 2 devices

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I am considering buying the ASUS Zenbook Flip laptop. There are 2 choices that I have: Zenbook Flip S or Zenbook Flip 14.

The Newegg website is selling both (which appear to have identical specs), but have a $300 price difference. Could someone take a look at the two links below and help me understand if there are any major differences in the devices? If not, I may as well go for the cheaper one.

Here are the links for both devices. I was wondering if there is any major difference between the two.

https://www.newegg.ca/gray-asus-zenbook-flip-ux461fa-q72sp-cb/p/N82E16834235172?sid=s1570498786300cv28a52421&nm_mc=otc-hatch&cm_mmc=otc-hatchca-_-2-in-1+laptops-_-asus-_-34235172

https://www.newegg.ca/royal-blue-asus-zenbook-flip-s-ux370ua-xh74t-bl/p/N82E16834234790?sid=s1570498786300cv28a52421&nm_mc=otc-hatch&cm_mmc=otc-hatchca-_-2-in-1+laptops-_-asus-_-34234790

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 2:35 AM

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screen size, connectivity (first has 2x usb 3.1 type a and 1x usb c, the second has 2x usb c), screen size, and the second one has an older kaby lake cpu, honestly i am unsure why it is more expensive, but i am missing something

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the first one has a newer cpu that has a slightly higher turbo

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:35 AM

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first one = first link?

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 2:35 AM

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yes

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Another thing I noticed was Whiskey Lake

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Not sure how important or significant that is.

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 2:36 AM

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yeah, that is a newer revision that boosts slightly higher

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than the flip s

fossil hedge Oct 8, 2019, 2:36 AM

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wheels

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:36 AM

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To me, the cheaper one is more appealing because it has an HDMI port.

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and the larger screen size

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although I wonder if there is an actual difference in the display material used for the touch screens on both devices. I am not familiar with this tech at all.

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 2:37 AM

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i'm not sure what i am missing on the flip s (second link) that makes it more expensive as the first link is technically newer

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i'

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am not either, sorry, i was just reading off the spec sheet

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it appears on paper that the first one is "better"

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which makes me wonder why it's $200 less

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Me too. Upon further research, I learnt that both laptops were released last year. The blue is a few months newer than the grey

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 2:38 AM

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i don't know if there's a different case material i am missing

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:39 AM

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but technically, the grey one seems ahead. IDK

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 2:39 AM

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that is strange, the grey one has a newer cpu

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Quite strange.

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 2:43 AM

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as far as i can tell the only difference is the cpu, the ports, and the size of the screen

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:43 AM

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and the weight I guess.

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 2:43 AM

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especially if the first one has the extra ports, it's cheaper and newer, technically faster cpu (although to be fair the impact of that extra 600MHz boost is probably somewhat insignificant in every day use)

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yeah, but that's by virtue of larger screen and case

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the $1600 one https://www.newegg.ca/gray-asus-zenbook-flip-ux461fa-q72sp-cb/p/N82E16834235172?sid=s1570498786300cv28a52421&nm_mc=otc-hatch&cm_mmc=otc-hatchca-_-2-in-1+laptops-_-asus-_-34235172

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:44 AM

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yeah, I figured a difference of that much is actually insignificant.

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 2:45 AM

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i'd presume they may have different SSDs inside but the tangible impact of that is insignificant

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:45 AM

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lol, thank you! you are making my decision so much easier

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 2:45 AM

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i keep looking at it to make sure i'm not missing something glaring but i think the first one is definitely the better buy

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 2:46 AM

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GREY:

14-inch LED-backlit Full HD (1920 by1080)

NTSC:72%, wide 100% sRGB color gamut

178° wide-view technology

1,000:1 Dynamic contrast ratio

ASUS Eye Care technology for up to 30% blue-light reduction

7.15mm-thin bezel with 80% screen-to-body ratio

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BLUE:

13.3” LED-backlit Full HD (1920 x 1080)
60Hz refresh rate, wide 100% sRGB colour gamut

178° wide-view technology

Corning® Gorilla® Glass

ASUS Eye Care technology for up to 30% blue-light reduction

6.11mm-thin bezel with 80% screen-to-body ratio

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Found another difference. Blue one claims to have gorilla glass while grey doesn't.

Not sure how to compare the displays. If you know anything about the display specs above, I'd really appreciate your input

steady breach Oct 8, 2019, 3:10 AM

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@uneven elm Are you looking into gaming?

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 3:11 AM

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No, just regular use. For university, work and a little bit of photoshop here and there.

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so Microsoft office suit heavy

steady breach Oct 8, 2019, 3:11 AM

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then have you looked at the razer blade?

uneven elm Oct 8, 2019, 3:12 AM

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I have not.

steady breach Oct 8, 2019, 3:12 AM

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it may have more cores or a better screen for cheaper

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https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/razer-blade-stealth

Razer

13 Inch Ultraportable Gaming Laptop - Razer Blade Stealth Ultrabook

The Razer Blade Stealth 13-inch laptop ultrabook features a more powerful NVIDIA GeForce MX150 4GB graphics and the new Whisky Lake Intel Core i7 processor.

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see if you like

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well built with i7 with gaming on the side if you want

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or razer blade 15

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https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/razer-blade/shop

Configure The Razer Blade Laptop Specifications

The Razer Blade is available in various specifications. Configure display and graphic cards, storage and color that suits your style.

golden forge Oct 8, 2019, 6:31 AM

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I am sure this has been talked to to death by sooo many people... but Intel i9 9900 vs AMD 3900x. Intel is less expensive and runs roughly the same as 3900x. I do a lot of film editing and so far, my i7 8700 isn’t to bad. Intel seems good, but I am just wondering if the more cores/ threads is worth it over Intels higher Ghz.

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I also have the motherboard and fan for an intel cpu so, as I am looking to upgrade, I am having to keep that in mind. AMD = new Mobo, Cpu, and fan. Intel upgrade= New cpu and that’s it.

scarlet edge Oct 8, 2019, 6:41 AM

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Are you sure that your CPU is the bottleneck?

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What's your CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD usage/speeds looking like while you edit?

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Also, have you tried overclocking the CPU you've got?

golden forge Oct 8, 2019, 7:08 AM

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As of right now: i7 8700 (not the K), Nividia 1080, 16GB, 1 tb ssd/ 4tb hdd. My ram seems to be the culprit (which is why I just bought 32 gb and is coming today). I put ram at 10 gb max on premiere and it is hitting that max. I’m not just editing 720 or 1080 vids. I’m doing 4K edits with a lot of overlays. I’m not an expert on how adobe works with cpus but, I’d say those extra cores and threads would really help in this case. GPU isn’t really helpful.... I also game a lot and during this past Modern Warfare beta, the game was using 45% ram, 90-99% cpu, and 20% GPU. I am noticing that with newer games and updates for games, CPU’s are getting heavier work loads. More than the gpus, which is weird to me.

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@scarlet edge

scarlet edge Oct 8, 2019, 5:18 PM

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@golden forge Here is a good video to check out which compares benchmarks between the similarly priced 3900x and 9900k. 3900x seems to take the lead but you will need to consider the extra cost of a new motherboard, extra build time, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQ2X1y0jvw&feature=youtu.be&t=616

YouTube

Gamers Nexus

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Review & Benchmarks: Premiere, Blender, Gaming, ...

For the AMD R9 3900X CPU review, we're focusing first on production workloads (Adobe Premiere, Photoshop, Blender, V-Ray, et al.) and secondarily on gaming. ...

▶ Play video

golden forge Oct 8, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Yeah. Thats why I am looking at the intel. HOWEVER.... the mobo I have now would suck if I used it for the 9900. The years between them and the updated parts to help the 9900 run smoother isn't there on my mobo. So, either way, I am looking at getting a new mobo if I want to upgrade to anything ( 9900 and 3900x specifically).

little osprey Oct 8, 2019, 11:20 PM

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if what you're doing scales more with cores, then it's a pretty easy choice, but if it scales with raw speed you're probably going to be best suited staying with the intel build

fossil hedge Oct 9, 2019, 12:05 AM

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моим собратьям

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 4:27 AM

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I just tonight replaced my psu and now my pc won’t boot past the bios...any ideas ?

Ryzen 2700
32gb Corsair
Evga 750 g5
Gigabyte x470 ultra gaming

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 4:29 AM

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check the connection to the mobo and drives

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 4:32 AM

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They are good took them back off and reconnected

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 4:37 AM

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any errors?

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 4:40 AM

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Kernel something or another is the only one I could catch otherwise it was a quick bsod and bios also says preparing automatic repair after that happens

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 4:40 AM

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try to take a video with your phone and run the error

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Kernels hardware though

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 4:41 AM

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I’m in bed atm...I gave up have to work in the am I can when I get home from work tomorrow

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 4:42 AM

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suspects are either power to mobo or cpu if you just did psu only

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I know after the last windows update it’s crashed quite a bit with kernel stuff

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Yeah psu only

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 4:42 AM

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could even be a drive going bad

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i dono without seeing the exact error

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 4:43 AM

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The ssd that it boots on is kinda old

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 4:43 AM

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try to boot from a install USB

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 4:44 AM

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I did...freezes at boot part

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 4:44 AM

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weird

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 4:45 AM

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I’ll get the exact error code after work tomorrow thank you for helping

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And yeah I’m lost as to wtf is going on

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 4:46 AM

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np man. hopefully its something that can be traced easily

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 4:46 AM

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I wanna try not to bring it in to a shop

peak crane Oct 9, 2019, 5:45 AM

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It's probably PSU failure.

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If you specifically replaced that part and that part only.

little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 6:11 AM

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Did you perhaps accidentally plug a pci-e 8 pin in the CPU 8 pin plug?

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I've done that more than once after a long day of fiddling

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If you show the plug I can tell right away

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:34 AM

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Idk how or why but let it sit over night and it booted right up

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:35 AM

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perhaps a bios reset with power off

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I have a weird glitch where my sound hardware legit desyncs untill I hard boot then reboot once hot and then its fine

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:36 AM

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Definitely weird for sure

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Well at least I get to finish it now when I get home from work

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This is a bit unacceptable LOL

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little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:39 AM

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aw man that'll be behind a panel lol

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just SMASH it in there

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(not what you should actually do)

still roostBOT Oct 9, 2019, 10:39 AM

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tweeds4200#9663 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:39 AM

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I bent a panel trying that. dont do that XD

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:40 AM

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I won’t lol

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I like it clean looking

little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:40 AM

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i definitely did too but i was fed up with the garbage corsair case

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so it earned that

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:40 AM

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cable extensions will help on my next build

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:40 AM

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I got the case for free so I can’t complain about it

little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:41 AM

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polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:42 AM

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I appreciate everyone helping out

little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:42 AM

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sorry, just being a smart alec lol

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Nah your good I dish it out so I can take it as well 😉

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:43 AM

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dear mighty tech jesus. Bless me with SSD's for my build for these HD's are outdated and sloooow

little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:44 AM

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nvme drives are getting really affordable

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if you have a spare m.2 slot

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:44 AM

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i need 2 1 tb's and a hybrid Storage drive for other things

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Are nvme drives worth it compared to a regular ssd

little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:45 AM

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i have picked up two 1tb 860 evos for i think $130? each i think

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:45 AM

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yea. they fast and out of the way

little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:45 AM

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if they're same price or cheaper, or slightly more expensive (~10%) i say definitely

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it depends on what particular drive but generally yeah

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:45 AM

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I got 2 more months of working till my credit cards are flat so I can buy them

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:46 AM

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I have a new egg card lol

little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:46 AM

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my 950 pro from my skylake build in 2016 was almost $1.25usd/GB but i just picked up a 1tb 970 evo plus for $194

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256gb 950 pro

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:48 AM

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I might get samsungs. maybe WD blues

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I dono yet

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:48 AM

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This just happened

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little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:48 AM

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i can't seem to pull up my receipt from my 950 pro but it was comically expensive compared to now

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:49 AM

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That’s the one I got last night

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:49 AM

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The kernel security check failure happens due to:

Memory problems
Outdated drivers
Viruses
Corrupted Windows system files
Security programs
A damaged or corrupted hard disk

little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:49 AM

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that could be a lot of things

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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gonna guess. mem, hard disk, or OS issues

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Now it won’t boot past bios again

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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start with memory first I guess

little osprey Oct 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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i guess start with what you can, disable any overclock or memory xmp

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:52 AM

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It’s all factory I reset it all last night

rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:52 AM

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reseat your ram

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start with 1 stick at a time

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stupid thing like that is you could have something as dumb as a sata cable failing

polar brook Oct 9, 2019, 10:57 AM

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This is with 1 stick of ram

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rough loom Oct 9, 2019, 10:58 AM

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disk error eh. Thats either a corruption to your HD or OS

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or something along those lines

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wonder if your hard drives going out