#building-and-recc-chat | Newegg | Page 409

sudden turret Sep 19, 2019, 8:23 PM

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wil be labeled VGA

autumn wolf Sep 19, 2019, 8:24 PM

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depending on your actual gpu, the plugs can vary but should be psu into the power brick and the other end should say pcie

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there should be a few different plugs that goes into the gpu depending on how many pins there are

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8pin, 2x6pin, 2x8pin 8pin x 6pin, etc

valid dagger Sep 19, 2019, 8:25 PM

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📎 JPEG_20190919_162533.jpg

autumn wolf Sep 19, 2019, 8:26 PM

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2x8pin. so you'll need 2 cables that have 8pin pcie or 1 cable that has 2 if your power supply provided one

valid dagger Sep 19, 2019, 8:26 PM

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Found it phew

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@autumn wolf only thing left is my hff

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Hdd

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I cannot find the psu cord for that

autumn wolf Sep 19, 2019, 8:35 PM

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there should be a sata cable

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theyre skinny plugs and the end should be 1 8pin psu cable

valid dagger Sep 19, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Found it

rough loom Sep 19, 2019, 9:35 PM

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@scarlet quarry thats why the HAF-X is still one of the top contenders on GN's case list to this day

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200 front, 200 side, dual 200 top for the rad. and a 140 rear. And used to be some special brackets for gpu directed cooling ducts and a special one for a 80mm behind the drive cages.

stark spruce Sep 19, 2019, 9:39 PM

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I have a haf932 case which is very similar. One of the best cases for airflow.

latent bronze Sep 19, 2019, 9:40 PM

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jumped in his time machine to go back to 2009

rough loom Sep 19, 2019, 9:41 PM

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only downside, they are a B#%ch to clean and weigh a metric ton

stark spruce Sep 19, 2019, 9:41 PM

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It was built in 2011 so pretty close Ecks lol

rough loom Sep 19, 2019, 9:41 PM

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and the acrylic side panel scratches easy

stark spruce Sep 19, 2019, 9:42 PM

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The 932 only has a small acrylic side. As far as cleaning its really not bad

rough loom Sep 19, 2019, 9:42 PM

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though its just acrylic so...drill the rivets and cut a new piece and paint the rivets and put them back in

latent bronze Sep 19, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Well this article said it was published in 2009 http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2325

Cooler Master HAF 932 Full Tower Case Review - PCSTATS.com

stark spruce Sep 19, 2019, 9:43 PM

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I wasn't saying the case wasn't that old just stating the age of my PC lol

latent bronze Sep 19, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Also talking about the case not your system

stark spruce Sep 19, 2019, 9:43 PM

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lol

rough loom Sep 19, 2019, 9:43 PM

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oh yea. HAF-X i think was like 2010

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back when graphics cards were jet engine hot. this puppy used to cool two 680 superclocks

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If they made a new version. Just change the side panel to tinted tempered glass. Add 1 more 200mm and update the IO front and it would be perfect. I would buy it again

stark spruce Sep 19, 2019, 9:46 PM

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I agree

rough loom Sep 19, 2019, 9:46 PM

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the extra bay cages where drives would go arent needed anymore

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were used for like....temp monitors and fan front mounted controllers for Liquid back in the day

wary saffron Sep 20, 2019, 1:06 AM

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hi

deep skiff Sep 20, 2019, 1:07 AM

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hi

lime forge Sep 20, 2019, 1:08 AM

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hi

deep skiff Sep 20, 2019, 1:09 AM

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@lime forge hi

lime forge Sep 20, 2019, 1:10 AM

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@deep skiff hi

wary saffron Sep 20, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Can someone tell me if this is a good build i only have a 650 CAD budget
CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor-108.75$
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard-90$
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory-45$
HDU: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive-52.75$
SSD: Kingston A400 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive-27$
GPU: MSI Radeon RX 570 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card-179$

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wait

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also

lime forge Sep 20, 2019, 1:13 AM

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sounds like a good budget build

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but

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you can get a 2tb hard drive for the same price

wary saffron Sep 20, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case-58.50$
PSU: EVGA 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply

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for

lime forge Sep 20, 2019, 1:13 AM

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https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16822184773?Description=barrracuda 2tb&cm_re=barrracuda_2tb-_-22-184-773-_-Product

wary saffron Sep 20, 2019, 1:13 AM

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ok

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I was going for a good budget build

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so thanks

lime forge Sep 20, 2019, 1:14 AM

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oh wait

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hold on

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lemme check something

wary saffron Sep 20, 2019, 1:14 AM

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My problem is that it is on sale

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im not getting it yet

lime forge Sep 20, 2019, 1:15 AM

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oh wait thats canadian money

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nvm

wary saffron Sep 20, 2019, 1:15 AM

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yeah

lime forge Sep 20, 2019, 1:15 AM

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scratch the hard drive recommendation then

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lol

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my bad

wary saffron Sep 20, 2019, 1:15 AM

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its ok

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btw is my case fine?

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or is it a bit too small

lime forge Sep 20, 2019, 1:15 AM

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nah, its a good size

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it will fit the motherboard

wary saffron Sep 20, 2019, 1:16 AM

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ok

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thanks

lime forge Sep 20, 2019, 1:16 AM

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yep

wary saffron Sep 20, 2019, 1:16 AM

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ok thank you bye!

lime forge Sep 20, 2019, 1:16 AM

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cya

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Sooo, I was on here a while ago and got help making a build, but now looking on, and talking to a few people, I will prob never overclock, nor run 4k. So could someone possibly help me build a pc that would have plenty of ram, runs almost any game at 1080p amazingly?

elder loom Sep 20, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Budget?

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Also 60hz or higher?

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 3:32 AM

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See, I am not super super smart when it comes to the hz stuff, so help me understand that, and preferably under 1300 if possible, if not, doesnt matter for budget then.

pulsar garnet Sep 20, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Hz is basically the max FPS your monitor can display lol

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otroud

chilly marsh Sep 20, 2019, 3:36 AM

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with your budget @fallow knoll you can run most games at 1440p with 60+fps

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Well, i have been kinda looking around online trying to learn more about it, and from what I can see to my knowledge, an AMD Radeon RX 580 would serve me well

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But i dont know that much and yea 60hz is fine. If i can go way cheaper than 1300 for 1080p because I dont need 1440p, then i want to go cheaper lol. If i can save money then by all means why not right lol

chilly marsh Sep 20, 2019, 3:43 AM

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whats the lowest you plan to go for

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even with a 600 budget, you can get 60fps for most games

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if not more

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 3:45 AM

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I mean spending 600 through 700 would be nice.

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And would that be like 60fps for games like skyrim and Eco?

chilly marsh Sep 20, 2019, 3:45 AM

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ye

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def

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Well then hell yea lol, that pricing is fine. I just don't understand basic pc building when online

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I'd be one happy human if you'd enlighten me on how to spend just that much for a comp to do that lol

chilly marsh Sep 20, 2019, 3:50 AM

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aight

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ill try to get back to you once i finish doing something

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Alright, thank you.

chilly marsh Sep 20, 2019, 3:55 AM

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heres a start

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM8Wu_ChPWg

YouTube

Zach's Tech Turf

$600 Gaming PC Build Guide!

Today we are benchmarking and building a $600 gaming PC build with a Ryzen CPU that you did NOT expect ;) Let me know what you thought of these impressive be...

▶ Play video

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thats a decent video

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the build is above 600

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below 700

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 3:56 AM

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sadly in a case that doesn't have great airflow

chilly marsh Sep 20, 2019, 3:56 AM

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if you see parts that arent to your liking, maybe the case isnt for you, you can choose a couple of cases you like for the price, and see if its good

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there it is @latent bronze

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if you dont like certain parts, choose some others but that are similar and you can ask us, and we'll see if its a good price, whoever is on

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 3:57 AM

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I used to have the standard RGB one which the only difference is the PSU shroud and the airflow sucked

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 3:57 AM

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So that is a good build but nit a good case?

chilly marsh Sep 20, 2019, 3:57 AM

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ye

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so you can research some cases below 90 bucks or something with all around good features and airflow, whatever you like man

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color, airflow, how big, etc etc etc.

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 3:59 AM

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There is cases like this one which is shorter on the height but wider on the sides https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147273

chilly marsh Sep 20, 2019, 4:00 AM

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do you like shorter but wider, or taller but a bit less wide but more average or traditional

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mr @fallow knoll

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Well that case his system can look a lot more cleaner cable wise

chilly marsh Sep 20, 2019, 4:01 AM

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depends

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:02 AM

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PSU is on the other side which the only thing is the 4/8 pin CPU cable, 24 pin MB cable and the GPU cable if the GPU needs it

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:03 AM

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I dont have much room on my desk wide wise

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So taller and skinny is my usual go to, but im sure i could squish things on my desk over or off if needed lol

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Well you have 10$ options like this from Ikea that you can have if you don't have desk space

📎 download_3.jpg

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You can toss a what if and good chance i will have a solution for it 😛

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and that table also comes in black cause i have that table next to my bed lol

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Soo on that cideo posted, he doesnt post the link for a cpu cooler, and I might just be dumb (100%) but i dont see where he talks about it.

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:09 AM

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@fallow knoll the CPU cooler he is using is the stock one

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So it is already included

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:12 AM

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Ah okay. Nice.

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And i can actually save 45 since i have a 4tb hdd

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:13 AM

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Hope you have a SSD for the OS

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:14 AM

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He has one on the build. A 120gb

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:15 AM

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240gb minimum

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Why 240gb?

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Actually curious since i know nothing lol

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:16 AM

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You have other things like programs and such

rough loom Sep 20, 2019, 4:16 AM

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programs and downloaded things can add up quickly. plus not all programs allow you to change what drive they are installed on

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:16 AM

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it is usually just safe to go with 240gb for the minimum and most tech youtube channels usually says it

rough loom Sep 20, 2019, 4:17 AM

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120 is only really good for like a test bench drive

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and thats not even with games on it

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Windows also takes up like what 50gb

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Ah okay. So bump it up to 240gb or should i go for more than that?

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Because i dont mind spending a bit more

rough loom Sep 20, 2019, 4:18 AM

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if you can afford more I would

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:18 AM

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120gb/128gb i would use as a USB 3/C External for games

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Well for swapping between my desktop and laptop >_<

rough loom Sep 20, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I have a 1tb just standard HD and im using 577 out of it and im not even sure what all of it is thats on there

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just adds up over time

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:20 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/aea3bcd35cc4d83784d77b528fa0d7de.png These are all my drives lol

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Other games as well is Uplay, B.net and Epic

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:22 AM

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So, that case you listed above is good?

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:23 AM

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yep it is for sure better than the Deepcool one

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and easier to clean as well

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@fallow knoll For SSD's as well if you were to use a 2.5" version i would go with this one https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-250gb/p/N82E16820250086

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Well, looking at the prices, i see a 500gb western blue scorpio blue for 42 bucks

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And even 1tb for 52$ should i go for that?

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:26 AM

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You know i am talking about SSD's

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Oh, i guess i am not looking at that line lol

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:27 AM

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speed wise is alot different as well

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Rip

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Well still a 500gb ssd for 64

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:28 AM

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You can if you want it is up to you in the end but like you also said you have a 4TB hard drive which would be good for a secondary

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Yea. I mean, I have time and money to wait to buy stuff so if it does ever catch up on me, i could upgrade at any point, couldnt I?

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:29 AM

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You can upgrade drives or even add more

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:30 AM

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The case you recommended bas case fans right? Or do i have to go out of my way to buy some?

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My wife just asked that, and im unsure

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:30 AM

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I have 3 SSD's in my system which i use 2 for games and a 240gb for the OS and you can see in the image i am using less than 50% of my drive for the OS and programs

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The case comes with pretty good fans already and i believe you can add in 2 more

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Would i need to add them in or should it be fine?

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:33 AM

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You can add 2 more for exhaust

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When i look at cases i always go for airflow than the looks

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last time i went for looks i had bad airflow

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Yea

latent bronze Sep 20, 2019, 4:57 AM

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For cases that would usually come with at least 3 fans already try it out and see if it is enough cooling and if it is not just add some more

fallow knoll Sep 20, 2019, 5:16 AM

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Well case and motherboard are on their way now. Next paycheck I'll buy the rest. Got a child on the way so gotta basically save 50% of my check so limited lol

deep skiff Sep 20, 2019, 11:05 AM

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o

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nice

near ingot Sep 20, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Hey has anyone used the ASUS AM4 TUF Gaming x570 with a 3700x? Did anyone have any problems recently?

fossil hedge Sep 21, 2019, 6:11 PM

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nope.

little osprey Sep 21, 2019, 6:29 PM

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It's a popular pick for 3700x and up on x570, big userbase for support.

steel flame Sep 21, 2019, 6:30 PM

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@latent bronze ty

swift glen Sep 21, 2019, 11:07 PM

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hey folks, I am looking for a MB to support my GeForce GFX 970 graphics card; it wont fit on my older MB as it covers up SATA ports - its a double wide 11" long card..

latent bronze Sep 21, 2019, 11:41 PM

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And not even telling us which chipset it is

vague willow Sep 22, 2019, 1:04 AM

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F

astral hatch Sep 22, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Opinions?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jYkyp8

short basalt Sep 22, 2019, 8:43 AM

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Looks like a rather nice combination

deep skiff Sep 22, 2019, 1:04 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y66dn7 here’s one for $16 more with a better gpu and psu, and the non X 2600+ a cheaper nvme drive

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 3:43 PM

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I'd recommend spending a bit more to get a 3600, maybe another $50 on a nice air cooler for quiet performance, if you want, you could find a 550W+ Gold for $70-$90.
It is very important to evaluate PSU's on a model specific basis vs by brand - that RM650X is an excellent unit, I'd pay the extra.
This type of memory is a crowd favorite for zen2, both for compatibility and OC potential.
https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164107

astral hatch Sep 22, 2019, 4:26 PM

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My budget is 900 tho...

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Best budget CPU and mobo?

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

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I mean, you can go to used

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Optiplexs run well enough

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

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I have an optiplex rn I wanna build a new system

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:08 PM

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How much, because new systems will most likely need a new case, optiplexs are hard to get the new boards to fit in

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Also ram is needed too

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:09 PM

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$550

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Ddr3 and ddr4 are NOT compatible with each other

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Ok, one moment

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Any needs or wants?

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Most likely going ddr3

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Ohkay

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So used systems are gonna be your choice

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Def want a rx 580 gpu and psu is 500 watt

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I have gpu case and psu and ssd I just wanna see if I can get a cheaper mobo and CPu

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Case? Why you need that

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Ok, here's the deal

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No one making new CPUs and boards will allow ddr3 you must either buy a older CPU, like my favorite the i7 4790k or go with ddr4

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With a matching board for it

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Like I’m ordering parts offline I have everything selected I just wanna know if there are any cpus and mobos that are cheap

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Ok, so your going to a store to get the parts

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Not eBay/Amazon/Newegg correct?

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:14 PM

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📎 image0.png

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Ok

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Amazon and Newegg

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:14 PM

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So you can't use ddr3 on any ryzen board

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:15 PM

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I didn’t even notice it said ddr4

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:15 PM

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It litterally will not fit and it will break the system if you Force it

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:15 PM

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So find ddr4? Correct

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:15 PM

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No ryzen or intel 7th gen or newer supports ddr4

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Yes

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Corsair vengeance ddr4 8gb work

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:17 PM

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You can probably get ddr4 pretty cheap, Don't pay extra for higher speed, if it's 2133 and 2400 at same price get faster but if 3200 is more expensive, take your chances with the cheaper

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I litterally just got generic Corsair ram and I can get to at least 3200mhz on a 2400mhz ram

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Word thank you

deep skiff Sep 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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what kind of volts tho

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I forgot

deep skiff Sep 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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somebody got their ddr2 stable at 2.15V 👀

still roostBOT Sep 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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lockinhind#6726 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

deep skiff Sep 22, 2019, 9:19 PM

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L

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Wow

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:19 PM

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So does it matter what cpu / mobo I get as long as it’s ddr4 ?

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Not world of Warcraft either

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Cuz I wanna keep the build cheaper then upgrade later

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Yes it matters

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CPUs have supported boards, i78700ks will only work on lga 1155, xeons I think use lga 1156, and ryzens use am4

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Your CPU and mobo are fine

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Basically ask someone to look before you buy

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Probably in here

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Better yet, ask 2 people

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Should I get a lower priced cpu or keep the current one ?

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Ryzen 3 is a ok cpu

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Not great but I can play currently released games

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Just streaming while gaming might be a problem

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Should I get a better one then? I wanna be able to get good FPS on games like the new cod and fortnite

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Unless you're streaming or recording no

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Ok ty

dark raven Sep 22, 2019, 9:30 PM

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You will be fine at 1080p med-low for the new cod

little osprey Sep 22, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Thank you

gaunt socket Sep 22, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Which mid-tier card should I get? The 1660 ti, the 1070 ti or the 2060 ti?

coarse coral Sep 22, 2019, 11:00 PM

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2060 super is pretty good

fallow knoll Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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So on the build for thst one video far far away ago, the mother board is a Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard. My current PC has a MSI B350 PC Mate. Is the one i have better or the old one better?

deep skiff Sep 23, 2019, 2:13 AM

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the 450m is better, a newer chipset design

fallow knoll Sep 23, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Okay. Is there a big difference in the two or not really? Like should I purchase the new one?

deep skiff Sep 23, 2019, 2:14 AM

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what cpu are you planning on using?

fallow knoll Sep 23, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Well, currently I have the AMD Ryzen 3 1200, but the one on the list for the new computer is AMD Ryzen 5 1600

deep skiff Sep 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

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for first gen the b350 should be fine

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b450/x470 was for ryzen 2xxx, and x570,(whenever b550 drops) is ryzen 3xxx

fallow knoll Sep 23, 2019, 2:17 AM

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So then the build of thst one video is not too good

deep skiff Sep 23, 2019, 2:19 AM

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depends on the pricing. a lot of the b350 boards are more expensive than the b450, due to the low supply of the first gen ryzen boards/chips, and they stopped making them

fallow knoll Sep 23, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Well my friend offered to get me the b450 for free. So should i go ahead and take and use it? Would it benefit me at all?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/LightDarkness/saved/#view=2KCPnQ

This is basically what the video showed minus the case and headphones lol. As well as the storage. Should i get the new mother board and all that stuff? As well as if I have the money should I go for a bigger better gpu?

deep skiff Sep 23, 2019, 11:28 AM

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:( pcpartpicker is down rn

latent bronze Sep 23, 2019, 6:17 PM

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@fallow knoll If your friend is giving you a free motherboard why not replace the CPU for a Ryzen 5 2600 instead

quaint terrace Sep 23, 2019, 7:20 PM

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anyone got suggestion for a $1200 usd gaming/streaming pc build?

little osprey Sep 23, 2019, 7:24 PM

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An Nvidia card may be more appropriate if single PC streaming is a priority interest

little osprey Sep 23, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Rx 570 8gb vs rx 580 8gb any huge difference or no?

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Huge difference? Not huge

wise hawk Sep 23, 2019, 11:41 PM

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I’m having some issues getting a new build to run right, is this a good chat to ask some troubleshooting questions?

deep skiff Sep 23, 2019, 11:44 PM

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Probably this or #general-chat

wise hawk Sep 23, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Well I’ll give it a shot here first.
Part list:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fgfpdX
First time build for my brother. Had plugged in and correct I thought, but after turning power on, fans run for 20 seconds, no video then turns off. Restarts again after a few seconds and repeats.
Took things out one by one, but with just the RAM in it still cycles. Ran paperclip test, power supply fan turned on. Not sure what the issue is, and would appreciate any recommendations.

agile bear Sep 24, 2019, 2:30 AM

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does your motherboard give you an lights of any sorts that could indicate an issue?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 2:32 AM

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I'd recommend 3600, b450 gaming plus or b450 tomahawk, ram is perfect , cooler is great, ssd is great, I'd pick a cheaper and or better PSU

gloomy rock Sep 24, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Why not a 3900x and 2080ti kappa

agile bear Sep 24, 2019, 2:34 AM

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lol cuz an atom processor is superior

gloomy rock Sep 24, 2019, 2:34 AM

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I made a part list earlier with a slight cpu bottleneck. It was like over 6 grand with a Celeron

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Oh it was 18 grand

agile bear Sep 24, 2019, 2:35 AM

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storage

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storage to the max

gloomy rock Sep 24, 2019, 2:35 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bJwdpG

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That list is so good

agile bear Sep 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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sir that is considered by many to tickle their fancies

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Don't cheap out on the mobo like that, get an XI apex, come on

agile bear Sep 24, 2019, 2:38 AM

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also no 8k panels smh

gloomy rock Sep 24, 2019, 2:38 AM

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You're right, my bad

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I need a higher budget

agile bear Sep 24, 2019, 2:38 AM

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where is the custom wata loop

gloomy rock Sep 24, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Air cooling is better imo. You can match water cooling with air cooling and air-cooling looks sexier imo

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I hate, no, absolutely despise the look of the loops running to and from components

agile bear Sep 24, 2019, 2:40 AM

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then at least get a nicer looking aircooler maybe one with a vapor chamber

gloomy rock Sep 24, 2019, 2:40 AM

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The air cooler is nice and simple. Not pumps, no radiators, just one big sexy breathing square on some edgy aluminum.

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Maybe, see that's a good idea

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 2:40 AM

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Lol, have you seen my recent water build dumpster fire

gloomy rock Sep 24, 2019, 2:41 AM

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I may be salty because I tried making a hydro loop before and the tubbing had a hole that was too small to see, started the pump and lost an 8700k and gtx 1060. Had to replace them both. My board was saved

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And no, I'd love to see that

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 2:42 AM

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I should get up and finish, but from yesterday's pressure test https://puu.sh/Ek754/f6c482ae40.jpg

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https://puu.sh/EhDN7/1bc2266880.jpg

agile bear Sep 24, 2019, 2:42 AM

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beautiful

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 2:43 AM

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But ya, I'm a huge AIO hater, haven't touched anything water until now

agile bear Sep 24, 2019, 2:44 AM

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why hate on aios?

chilly marsh Sep 24, 2019, 2:44 AM

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everyone has their reasons for things

agile bear Sep 24, 2019, 2:45 AM

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wata coolin

gloomy rock Sep 24, 2019, 2:45 AM

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I just hate it because I lost a couple hundred dollars worth

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 2:47 AM

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I think a lot of people buy AIOs for the wrong reasons e.g. because you need an AIO for a 9900k etc, reality shows top tier air - D15 or equivalent is close enough to the best AIOs, especially in steady state, though they can have the advantage for burst performance with a cold coolant temp

gloomy rock Sep 24, 2019, 2:47 AM

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^^^

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Once your coolant warms

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do you have sustained thermals?

deep skiff Sep 24, 2019, 2:48 AM

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has 10 480mm rads hahaha

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 2:48 AM

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As for the "right" reasons - in my opinion - aesthetics, undefined preverence, size constraints, RGB, less fragile, etc

gloomy rock Sep 24, 2019, 2:50 AM

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I do hate water cooling due to the risk and the chance of leaking.

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But I will admit, I can see why people like it.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Ya, if you've ever seen me give build advice, I try to be very clear about what I think should be left to preference

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But stress the facts as not to mislead - e.g. "I have to get aio for x CPU"

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:08 AM

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I ordered a https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16835608045?item=N82E16835608045&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwordsca-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwordsca-pc-_-pla-_-cpu+cooling-_-N82E16835608045&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIw8HB-Ijo5AIVka_sCh1TrwM9EAYYASABEgLUePD_BwE today

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Smart choice.

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Going to ditch the liquid metal too.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:09 AM

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I strongly recommend you do - and be very careful cleaning it up, I would use paper towel, then coffee filters, and very lastly, isopropanol

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:09 AM

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for some reason the t.prob iirc doest work.. is that normal?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Is it liquid metal or conductonaut

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t prob?

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:10 AM

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liquid metal .

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heat sensor.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:10 AM

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So coolaboratory labs liquid metal? Not thermal grizzly?

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And what heat sensor

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:10 AM

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yes cool labs

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I might be wrong about the sensor. But I thought that I saw it in the bios, or a program saying it was NA.

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What should this CPU be when its idle?

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I think I hover around 40

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Idle temps aren't really that useful, say, under 40 something is fine

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post your PSU and GPU models when you can, the cpu-z shows the rest

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I just ask people to run a userbench because it saves a ton of time

west finch Sep 24, 2019, 3:13 AM

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why use iso for cleaning instead of acetone?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Gives all the data we need to do most troubelshooting

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:13 AM

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What program is the best to get all the info?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Acetone will eat things you don't want it to, doesn't help much when trying to scrub LM residue off - though I've only used it on conductonaut

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Can someone recommend me a egpu enclosure that will work with a 2080 extreme from gigabyte aorus?

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@hearty verge https://userbenchmark.com

Home - UserBenchmark

Top Market Research & Genuine Product Insight from our Users. Quickly find category leading products with UserBenchmark.

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Run that, post link here after you reset to defaults in bios

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Feel free to dm me with recommendations

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If you want to make it go quicker, take all but your boot drive offline

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:15 AM

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physically unplug or disable in the BIOS?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:15 AM

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@little osprey Razer Core v2 seems popular - I'm not a fan of razer, but I know many are

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I’ll check what size the gpu has to be. Thank you

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Disable in bios is fine, TBH leaving them on is ok as long as you don't mind waiting 5 or so mins for the full benchmark to run, it might give info that could help optimize your storage drives

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:17 AM

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I dont mind waiting.. I have to put my kid to bed anyway.

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brb in 5

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Ya, might take 5-10, nice system btw, that really is high end ram, also, revodrive must've been nice. 2080 ti sli too

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:23 AM

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https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/20392680

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@little osprey

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The only thing that I wasnt sure about was this.. my PSU didnt have a plug for this part. Was unsure if it was important.

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little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:36 AM

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It'snot

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I'd actually recommend replacing the PSU - but only due to my assumptions made given you have SLI 2080 ti's, an ssd that was probably $700 new, ram was likely 300, etc
But most importantly, that PSU has a high-ish failure rate

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Really.. : (

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You think the PSU is failing?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:41 AM

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No, that's likely un-related to your current problems

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:43 AM

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with defualt BIOS settings ,and XMP 2 for the RAM clocked at 4000mhz and all cores set to 5.0ghz the computer will freeze make a loud buzzing noise, then reboot. With the same settings but clocked to 2666mhz it seems stable.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Ya, definitely don't only set XMP, one of the problems is that XMP will set your vccio and vccsa far too high - could make the OC unstable, and likely degrades the IMC over time

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:44 AM

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OK - so what do I need to do?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:44 AM

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This is only a problem with high freqency memory - 4400 is way up there

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Did you reset to optimized defaults?

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f5 in bios I think

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Not yet - lll do that now.. just defaults then reboot?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Yes

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Rebooting.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Ah, I was about to ask why dram voltage was still1.4v

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:49 AM

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That’s with default not correct?

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OK.. rebooted and back up to the desktop.

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https://valid.x86.fr/ysnihu

Intel Core i9 9900K @ 4997.55 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[ysnihu] Validated Dump by DESKTOP-8QJ1PHC (2019-09-24 04:58:59) - MB: Asus ROG MAXIMUS XI HERO (WI-FI) - RAM: 16384 MB

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OK.. why is it saying the CPU is at 93C ?

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core temp never went that high in the MAX

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little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:55 AM

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That's the same link

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Download hwinfo64

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:55 AM

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that is the CPU-Z I just RAN.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:56 AM

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It's bug orsomething, check the url you've posted

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Happened to me a few days ago

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Also idk why your gpu's never showed up in userbench, but I bet it's because you have the revodrive installed in a slot that uses cpu lanes, and the GPU's refuse to SLI without x8 each.

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Can fix that by moving it to a slot at the end of the board

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:58 AM

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I think the board clocks to x8 when there is a second PCIE card inserted. 😦

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OK.. do I need to check sensors, summary only?

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just run hwinfo64?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:00 AM

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yes, it does, more specifically, the cpu has 16 lanes to give, and 4 additional lanes to talk to the PCH

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Some slots on the board use CPU lanes, some use PCH. Everything using PCH bandwidth shares that up/down link to/from the CPU

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:01 AM

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So you figure there is a better way to setup my cards?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Right click the icon in the bottom right tray, make like this https://puu.sh/EkHbZ/82c7d07b18.png

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:05 AM

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ok..

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Settings cloned.

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little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:10 AM

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don't show, and hit continue

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Then do this https://puu.sh/EkHip/423aa7137a.gif

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:11 AM

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not sure how you were screen splitting?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Button in the bottom left corner

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:22 AM

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It doesnt have it all..

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Would TeamView be better?

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Need 8k to display it all.. omg..

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Don't really need it all tbh, it's just because you have a ton of components

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you can click, then shift click to select a range and hide

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Or scroll and send multiple screensots

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I make gifs like the one I sent because otherwise people send 15 screenshots of a tiny window

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:24 AM

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What are you lookin for?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Hide these https://puu.sh/EkHzo/ec70a6d608.png

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Just seeing if everything is default, but also - this is one of the most popular and useful monitoring tools, you seem like you're pretty serious about PC gaming/hardware, figured this willhelp you a ton

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:29 AM

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I do like my PC.

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Just with it would OC.. 🙂

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removed c states

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Realistically, I'd aim for 3600c14 , even 3200c14 on the memory, trying for higher clocks won't hurt the hardware, but failed overclocks with questionable stability can cause all kinds of windows issues, high voltages will damage hardware if careless.

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If you want something comprehensive, check this outhttps://www.tweaktown.com/guides/8481/coffee-lake-overclocking-guide/index.html

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:33 AM

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r 3600c14 , even 3200c14 on the memory ?? what do you mean?

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buy different RAM?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:34 AM

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No. Basically, I would set XMP on, but then set memory frequency to say - 3600, then - very importantly, set vccio and vccsa to somewhere between 1.25 and 1.35

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:35 AM

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I have 4 sticks of this memory, but I cant get them working when they are all installed. so 32 gigs.. and I only have 16 placed,

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XMP or XMP2 ?

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What is c14?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:36 AM

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Without making this more complicated than it has to be:
Starting from optimized defaults in bios:
set cpu overclock to manual
Set core ratio to 48
Set to "by all cores"
Set XMP to XMP (not 2) if there are two options
Set vcore to manual mode
Set voltage to 1.2-1.3
Go to digi+ vrm, set LLC to level 5
Set VCCIO voltage to 1.2-1.35
Set VCCSA around there too

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:37 AM

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OK.. ill do that now.

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why 48?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:38 AM

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I mean, I can tell you exactly what I'd do if I were you, but up to you how you want to proceed

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TBH, 1st priority is clean all that LM off, re-paste with anything else.

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Until then, set CPU ratio to like42 and vcore to 1.15 or something, idk, then turn off HT

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:40 AM

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XMP is only I. The oc section???

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little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Yes, XMP is set under overclock tuner , idk why asus puts it there and not under something called "XMP setting" lol

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:42 AM

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little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Did you see what I mentioned earlier about the heat problems

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:44 AM

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Yep.

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little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Lol, I have almost the same parts, just got a capture card today too, I could've just made a 3 min video to copy - I can find a few good example vids on youtube if you want

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Oh, also dram voltage set that to 1.35

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Not important really, 1.4 is fine

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TBH, leave it 1.4

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:47 AM

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I’m lost. With the other options.

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Do you mean cpu system agent voltage?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:49 AM

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First decide if you want to re-paste now, if not, I'd run it slower, colder

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Yes

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:49 AM

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I’m going to reposts when my new cpu comes in.

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I was running stable at 5ghz all cores with ram at 2666

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Re-paste*

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:50 AM

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New CPU?

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I can’t find vccsa

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No. New cooler.

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Sorry.

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Tired. And typing on phone.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Oh, vccsa = cpu system agent voltage

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Is this correct!?

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little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:52 AM

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almost, cpu core voltage override is what you use to set vcore

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Given the current cooler setup, personally, I'd set it to 45h

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Again,I'd recommend reading through a coffee lake OC guide like the one by tweaktown, or der8aur, buildzoid, luumi, raja from ROG asus, etc

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:53 AM

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little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Ya, set it to 1.2 honestly

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vcore

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Better yet, 1.25 with level 5 llc

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Are you getting me to lowball it because you figure I’m over heating?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Yes

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Why do you think I’m over heating though?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Because the CPU-z you sent showed 93F at <1.3 Vcore

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That shows the cooler is seriously deficient

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:56 AM

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You are talking about the link I sent?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:57 AM

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93C* yes

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Core temp never went over that

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And at the time I was running a heavy benchmark.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:57 AM

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What benchmark

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:57 AM

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It’s a multi threaded lle pluging for project 64.

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It cooks!!!

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My system is quite stable usually.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Anyway, I can wrap up a clarified summary of what I recommend if you want, but ther are many right ways to configure a system like this, and also many wrong ones

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 4:59 AM

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I agree. How about I get the other cooler installed. Test some more when I get it.

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https://valid.x86.fr/hvu8uz

Intel Core i9 9900K @ 4801.15 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[hvu8uz] Validated Dump by DESKTOP-8QJ1PHC (2019-09-24 06:59:53) - MB: Asus ROG MAXIMUS XI HERO (WI-FI) - RAM: 16384 MB

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I dont get how its hotter..

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 5:01 AM

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cpu-z might be wrong, to test, keep hwinfo running, run whatever benchmark you want, eevn just opening 50 (actually 50) chome tabs by spam clicking bookmark folders will work

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Close the chrome, don't close the hwinfo the whole time, then send the hwinfo screenshot

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 5:06 AM

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This is me runnig YUZU, and Project 64 LLE plugin with all cores maxed..

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No heat issue.

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peaking at 70

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when I CRASH the it can be 50c

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Oh ya, CPU-z is just wrong

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Those are actually very good temps, I would not touch the cooler a bit

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 5:09 AM

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As soon as I put it to 50 all cores instant freeze and reboot.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 5:09 AM

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So - when referencing anything to do with temp/load always give the core temp and the package power, or core max, etc

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 5:09 AM

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However when I set the ram to 2666 it’s stable. I’m at a losss

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Lots of reasons, but largely, 4400 is an unrealistic - and actually kinda slow - config, given you have to run cl 19 and higher subtimings

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If the number 4400 is the priority, you can config to make that work, but hey, that's preference

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Ok but it’s set to 3600 now and I crashed

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Because you still have core mult set to 50 with 1.2 vcore. Now that we (I) know the temp problem was just a cpu-z artifact - I'd say set 1.3 manual (there are other options for this - check that guide) and run 50x core, 45x cache, 0avx offset, HT on, 1.2-1.35V on both vccio/ vccsa.

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Anyway, at the very least, now you know how to use hwinfo64 haha

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Can you see why this is a very useful utility?

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Ok. It’s bed time for now. But I will give it a go tomorrow if I get time

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It’s actually go so much info it hurts to look at.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 5:15 AM

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Ya, you can hide, recolor, customize, etc. Glad your system seems to be working well. I think you'll be just fine

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 5:15 AM

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I hope so. Thank you for taking the time to help me out. I do hope that I can get it running in it’s sweet spot.

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Just set the v 1.31 and it got a little further didn’t heat up, then crashed. The program crashed instead of the computer then the computer froze. Looking at hwinfo looked normal.

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little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Did you set LLC (load line calibration ) to level 5 under AI tweaker -> digi + vrm?

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Oh, btw, when you hide groups, or edit hwinfo64 settings, close the program to save them

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right click the tray icon->settings to export a config, change more settings

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 5:29 AM

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I did set to 5. And just adjusted the clocks and all cores to 49 and ram that test it. Worked.

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Changed the other settings you said to the higher options.

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Going to test 50 again. Then it is bed time.

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Why does it say my colts are 1.27?

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Crash on 50 all cores. :(. Bed time.

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Convinced it’s the RAM. :(.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 5:33 AM

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No, nothing unexpeted tbh, ya no reason to rush, happy to help.

surreal tendon Sep 24, 2019, 8:18 AM

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hiya, im new to the newegg community, i wanna build a 500$ PC, to start gaming and minor content creation. So i was wondering if anyone could give me some help

coarse coral Sep 24, 2019, 8:24 AM

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$500 is almost an impossible budget for those needs

latent bronze Sep 24, 2019, 8:35 AM

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@surreal tendon If you only have 500$ good chance most of your parts will have to be used

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Processor wise though if you have a microcenter near by you can get the Ryzen 5 1600 for 80$

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This is what your system would look like https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YJB327

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Later down the road you can add something like a 4TB hard drive in it

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If you don't have a microcenter near you then the only option are buying a used 1500X/1600 which they go for between 70$ to 120$

quaint terrace Sep 24, 2019, 1:05 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nx8BDx thoughts? o:

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budget is ~1200 usd

latent bronze Sep 24, 2019, 1:15 PM

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You can save a little with the Intel 660p 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive

tidal bluff Sep 24, 2019, 1:15 PM

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there fast too

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i have the 760p

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makes a ssd look like a hdd

west finch Sep 24, 2019, 1:19 PM

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dang @little osprey you've really got your hands full trying to explain that you can't just set your cpu to 5 ghz without adjusting many other settings...

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and on top of that, there's zero guarantee than someone's specific 9900k chip would even reach 5 ghz stable with any settings

tidal bluff Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM

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kinda funny how i could get a 5ghz from a i5 7600k but a 9900k cant?

west finch Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM

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silicone lottery

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a 7600k also only has 4 cores/4 threads to deal with overclock and temperatures

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a 9900k has twice as many cores and 4 times as many threads

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it is always way harder to reach higher clocks on CPUs with high core count

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most 9900k's reach 5 ghz without any issues (with proper supporting voltages and cooling of course)

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 2:05 PM

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I have proper cooling, and I have tried several voltages. I really think the RAM is the issue, as I can run 5ghz without issue when I clock my RAM to 2666mhz.

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I also have 2 modules that I cant use 😦

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I tried to return it and see if I could swap it all for some QVL stuff, but Newegg wouldn't let me cause I went over the return period. That's understandable. I was given the option to return it with a stocking fee. but after shipping and the fee I would of lost 70 bux. 😦

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So I look at it..

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it haunts me. 😉

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What is the best most reliable RAM I could buy for an Asus Hero XI (Wifi) that can take a good OC?

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 2:22 PM

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What do you mean you have 2 modules you can't use?

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I think your ram is fine. It's A2 PCB b-die - decently high bin, I mainly just recommend manually setting the vccio and vccsa voltages regardless of how you proceed. This will keep you from burning out of degrading your IMC - hard to say what voltage is safe forever, but auto is out of the question

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And again, I think the cpu could probably do 5.0 all core ht on 0AVX with just a bit more voltage. You have a lot of potential performance to get out of the hardware yo have now with only some settings to change.

hearty verge Sep 24, 2019, 3:09 PM

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I’m glad you are optimistic. I will run thorough the guide. But I have gone down this rabbit hole before and I ended up turning on AI and letting it clock my system to a poor little 4.7.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 3:11 PM

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I'm not confident based on faith alone though, I have the same or simiar parts and do a lot of benchmarking. The "full picture" of data from hwinfo64 makes it far easier for me / anyone to help troubleshoot.

velvet crater Sep 24, 2019, 5:25 PM

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i have a 2070 super and the hdmi port on it isn't working

sudden turret Sep 24, 2019, 8:42 PM

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use displayport :p

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 11:09 PM

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@tidal moon

tidal moon Sep 24, 2019, 11:10 PM

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I tried installing a modified BIOS.

little osprey Sep 24, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Easier to receive tech help in this channel. Posting your system specs, and pictures showing how components are connected will help us help you.

tidal moon Sep 24, 2019, 11:13 PM

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I think I fried the mombo

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From a BIOS

sudden turret Sep 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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modified bios? eeep..

little osprey Sep 25, 2019, 12:29 AM

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Does this support ryzen 5 2600?

deep skiff Sep 25, 2019, 12:32 AM

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that is a first gen board, id go with this https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145083?Item=N82E16813145083&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2Fproduct%2FhpRzK8%2Fgigabyte-b450m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-ds3h&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-KL16QBpe3HNN3pwbQQUNMA

little osprey Sep 25, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Okay so I need help when building my pc cuz I know how to install cpu ram motherboard and stuff I just need help with wires cuz I have no idea how to do it

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 1:50 AM

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is there any companies out there that will customize a desktop, for example leave out power supply unit, hard drives, and disk drives

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?

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yes? no? maybe so?

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:05 AM

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why exactly...

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:06 AM

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cause i have good componets already

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:06 AM

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are you not wanting to build it?

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as in, are you not wanting to assemble the entire pc?

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:07 AM

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yes

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:08 AM

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I will not judge. (says wail judging). I can promise you, that it will be cheaper to build your own computer, but if you don't want to, would you mind telling me which components you are not looking for?

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:08 AM

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psu, disk drives, hard drives

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:09 AM

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I suppose you will be buying your own monitor.

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:10 AM

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i was going to buy components but my friend that was going to help me install them is leaving and newegg won't deliver to po box with next day delivery, i have my own monitor

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:11 AM

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I see. is it the fact that you don't want to break anything that matters more then your ability to?

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(I am searching around just making small talk)

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:12 AM

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yes and wouldn't that void warranty if i messed up up installing it myself

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:13 AM

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not nesscarly... amazon is really lenient on what they call damage.

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I ran a rc car at 30mph into a curb and returned it withought half the parts and they gave me full price

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also, the things you might damige, is like the CPU, or by putting stuff in wrong. but honstely if you just watch a few videos you could save 200+ usd

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:14 AM

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yeah but then there is length and width problems with case, and just don't want to play back and forth RMA

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:15 AM

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pcpartpicker

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that is you lord and savior of compartblty, does all the checking for you.

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:16 AM

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okay thank you

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:20 AM

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honestly what your looking at is a cumputer with no hhd, and no psu, because nobody ever uses a disk drive.

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this company Is allowing some things to be excluded, such as the hdd, https://www.xoticpc.com/

Custom Gaming Computers, Laptops & Notebooks | XOTIC PC

Custom build your next gaming computer, laptop, or notebook from our extensive selection and finance options. Take your gaming to the next level with XOTIC PC.

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you might be able to get rid of the power supply, but I can't figure out how.

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also if you need a starting point for pcpartpicker, here's something that's completely compatible, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HPLQzN

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feal free to edit and such, here's some resource's for assemble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX0fOUYd8Q

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:27 AM

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almost done with my build i will show you in a little bit

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:28 AM

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cool yeah I can help a bit.

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:32 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

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what do you think of that build?

deep skiff Sep 25, 2019, 2:34 AM

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copy the link at the top of the build, not the url

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:34 AM

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oh okay

deep skiff Sep 25, 2019, 2:34 AM

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the url doesnt bring any info up

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kinda confusing

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:35 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mwZYcq

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i didn't notice the url option

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sorry

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Intel Core i7-9700K is surpassed by the ryzen 7 3700x,

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a water cooler of that size will work, but is overpriced. something comparable to a air cooler from noctua woudl proububly functoin better...

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:40 AM

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not a fan of amd

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:40 AM

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why exaclty.

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:42 AM

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always have worked with intel, and i have an amd right now, and nividia works well with intel

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:42 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y2LQzN

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so, I put together a air cooled ryzen 7, 3800x 32gbs ram at optmal speed, a 2080ti, and a nioce case.

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and yeah in some cases ryzen has problums with gpus, but in most cases higher end ryzen will work pretty noic.

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:45 AM

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why mid tower? i always find mid tower has no room

chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 2:45 AM

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it has decent room

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but its your choice

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:46 AM

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it will fit 2 hard drives and 2 disk drives with all the other stuff

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:46 AM

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mid towers are fine, in my opinoin. I just like phanteks, there pretty good

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but if you still don't like amd, then here you go.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JhrFf9

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i7 9600k, noctua cooled, 32gbs ram, and a rtx 2080ti

chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 2:47 AM

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if i had more of a budget, i woulda went with the p350x

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:48 AM

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I love phanteks, best case for the best price.

chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 2:48 AM

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good company

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:48 AM

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so if i buy that build they will send it to me all put together?

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:50 AM

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no, you will put it together, but it makes sure everhting is going to fit. pcparpicker is just that, a pc, part, picker.

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sorry if thats not what you thought it was.

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:51 AM

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oh yeah that was what i was looking for, those parts put together

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:52 AM

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yeah they fit

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this one: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JhrFf9, is really good. for intel at least. but if you change you mind on amd, this one is still better: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y2LQzN.

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:54 AM

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no i was looking for a company that puts together components so i wouldn't have to buy a whole new computer since i have workable components

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:56 AM

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yeah... pc part picker just finds parts so that you could build a cumputer. see, most companys that I searched through don't allow you to leave out somthing like the PSU. I bet if you contacted some places like support at name brands for per-builts, they might just be helpfull and give you a lower price for leaving out parts.

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sorry I couldn't be much help.

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:56 AM

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all good no worries

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 2:57 AM

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I really recommend building it, but yeah, its kinda spooky and stuff.

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 2:58 AM

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if i was buying something cheap i would but last time i built a computer i was 8 years old, 30 now

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back when 16kb was the top speed lol

chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 3:00 AM

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cant you just use your parts then supply the other ones and build it yourself?

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 3:00 AM

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oh yeah I have a powerbook I use for daily drive so I can't speak.

chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 3:00 AM

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isnt too hard

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 3:02 AM

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i am worried about putting together cpu and motherboard, and installing motherboard on my case i have

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chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 3:04 AM

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whats the inside like

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Would those items fit in this case

chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 3:04 AM

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how tall is it, how l0ng

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 3:05 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JhrFf9

chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 3:05 AM

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you just gotta research your parts descriptions, see their physical sizes, then see what sizes your case supports

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 3:05 AM

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or you could just use pcpartpicker

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 3:05 AM

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dunno and dunno, and don't know what the case is

chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 3:05 AM

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you dont know..?

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how?

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 3:06 AM

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is it a midtower?

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 3:06 AM

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yes

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 3:06 AM

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because if it is it'l fit the motherbourd and the GPU

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the cooler too

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there pretty small parts the ones I choose

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mid tower supports atx moterhbourds, and pretty much every gpu under 300mm.

chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 3:06 AM

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and for your parts, just go to the website they on and go and find the actual size lol, and if you really dont know your case, your last resort could either be measuring your actual case, or getting a new one

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 3:06 AM

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i bought a custom computer from friend 7 years ago

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 3:06 AM

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plez us pcpartpicker list,

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watch some vids

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I have to go to bed and such,

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I hope I wasin't a burden, and more of a helpfull ally in this great expanse of pc lands

inland lichen Sep 25, 2019, 3:07 AM

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all good thank you

chilly marsh Sep 25, 2019, 3:07 AM

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nah you helped a lot warlord

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all now is up to him to decide what he'll do with the advice

fossil hedge Sep 25, 2019, 12:10 PM

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cool.

fallow knoll Sep 25, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Is the ryzen 5 2600x better than the ryzen 5 1600?

lime forge Sep 25, 2019, 2:02 PM

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yes

gentle prairie Sep 25, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I'm looking for a 360mm (preferably) CPU AIO non-addressable RGB cooler that's compatible with an Asus rog strix B450-F motherboard. (12v, not 5v). Any suggestions?

hearty verge Sep 26, 2019, 12:21 AM

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@little osprey I have a question, and on observation about Core VID in CPU-Z

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Should that not read the voltage of the overide?

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This might be my issue... I turned off all my FANS, and my CPU heated up to 100c and without a crash, while OC to 4.9 on all cores.. so its not heating its voltage issue. However I cant get my voltage to show over the 1.235v..

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Is there a setting i'm missing?

little osprey Sep 26, 2019, 12:30 AM

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Did you get a chance to read a coffee lake oc guide? I sent you two that I thought were well written .

hearty verge Sep 26, 2019, 12:31 AM

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I did, but I cant seem to figure out why my voltage doesnt read 1.36 in CPU-Z

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HWinfo64 says its 1.25 as well.

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Is there somthing that is limiting the voltage, and I just cant increase it anymore?

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What was the second? the first one you linked The Coffee Lake Overclocking Guide" has outdated BIOS related settings (i think) as the terminology is different in my BIOS. This is making me a little confused, and the v-core setting doesnt seem to want to go up, and when I set to 5.0ghz the compter will freeze.

hearty verge Sep 26, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Why is my voltage stuck at 2?

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I can not break 4.9GHZ all core OC with my system.

agile bear Sep 26, 2019, 4:07 AM

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LNO2 it

little osprey Sep 26, 2019, 5:04 AM

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1.2V? in that asus "overclocking" program"

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Probably has to do with your core ratio settings. e.g. turbo all cores to 5 vs at most 1 at 5, 2 at 4.9, etc

hearty verge Sep 26, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Its Asus program, not tuning with it, just viewing it's info.

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@little osprey no matter what document or video I follow, I can't get an all core OC of 5.0, unless I put my RAM to 2666 - I bet I could do 5.1 at with the RAM underclocked (need to test still). I am leaning towards the RAM being the problem. Where do you live? want to come visit? 🙂

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If I was to stream my computer, would you be willing to walk me through the whole OC process for my equipment? I would be willing to pay you for your time, or make a donation.

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I can stream directly from my computers HDMI to my laptop, that way you can see the BIOS, and any issues that occur. DM me if you are interested.

sterile slate Sep 26, 2019, 6:52 PM

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ive been researching quite a bit on how to build pcs and how they work. im not gonna lie still kinda new at this. but im thinking i want to try to build my own. are their any cheaper parts you could recommend or any tips

sudden turret Sep 26, 2019, 6:53 PM

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well I wouldn't cheap out on a PSU.

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that's a good tip to have 🙂

sterile slate Sep 26, 2019, 6:54 PM

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are there any brands to stay away from or anything like thay

sudden turret Sep 26, 2019, 6:56 PM

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ive never really had a problem with brands, just read reviews, all the reviews.

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reviews are your friend 🙂

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my goto psu of choice is Corsair

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and ram as well

sterile slate Sep 26, 2019, 6:58 PM

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thanks for the tips. i kind of have a parts list i wanted to get but ive been stuck on the motherboard and ram.

crystal seal Sep 26, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Ok guys I’m gonna drop my parts list and you let me know what you guys think. Feel free to give any advice or ask any questions you may have.

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New PC build parts list

Intel Core i9-9900K $469.99
EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Twin Video Card $1069.99
Corsair 32GB 3200 megahertz ram $179.99
Samsung SSD 970 pro $159.99
ASUS ROG Strix Z390-E Gaming LGA 1151 ATX Intel Motherboard $232.00
CORSAIR HXi Series, HX850i, 850 Watt, 80+ Platinum Certified $199.99
Corsair Hydro H115i Platinum 280mm RGB Water Cooling Kit $132.99
Elgato 4K60 Pro MK.2 - $249.99

Total: $2,993.16

deep skiff Sep 26, 2019, 9:31 PM

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For streaming u might want to go with 3900x due to 4 more cores and 8 more threads

little osprey Sep 26, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Got a pc partpicker link?

edgy copper Sep 26, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Specs whilst running apex + several other background apps, what yall think?

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latent bronze Sep 27, 2019, 12:48 AM

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But Apex is not that demanding of a game

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@edgy copper You could play Apex with a Ryzen 3 1300X and a 3gb 1060 and still have it on like high settings and it still wouldn't be demanding unless you're on like a i5 750 and a GTX 750 Ti then it would be demanding

deep skiff Sep 27, 2019, 1:57 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PpRZNQ

little osprey Sep 27, 2019, 2:58 PM

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@deep skiff avoid vengeance ram as corsair uses low end dies and has a failed binning process that results in most not even reaching rated speeds. Also avoid the cxm as it lacks ocp on the 12v rail.

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"avoid vengeance ram" all of it? why

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For ram I suggest you get the cheapest 10ns kit you can find (usually olloy 3000 cl15)

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@little osprey yes

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Not to mention that for their rated speed they are stupidly overpriced

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What IC is in the Oloy

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That $83 kit is only 10ns while olloy 10ns kits tend to go for $65 to 70

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For the psu I would suggest getting a commander iii 600w when they are back in stock if you arent buying today

grave spade Sep 27, 2019, 3:04 PM

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I just found All botw amibo cards including champions and a thing to keep them in for only 10$

little osprey Sep 27, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Why do you reference 10ns - the time it takes 3000c15 to read out 64 bits (first word) vs recommending mmory with ICs that are known to work well with x cpu?

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@little osprey most ram use the same dies and the same pcbs so unless you can weed out which ones are using e die or b die that is a terrible way to recommend ram

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The entire idea that certain companies work better is a misconception

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All the company makes is the heat spreader

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Yes - do you not see that was what I was asking you?

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What really matters is the effective latency

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The effective latency is what the actual ram speed is

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Not just the clock

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Which is the XMP rating slapped on by the brand - not all 3000c15 is created equal

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TBH - that oloy might have some decent higher bin cjr - who knows, but we do know with confidence that 3000c15 ballistix sport is micron rev e

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To oc past the rated speed I recommend manually tightening timings and clocks

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As is 3200c16, both have AES in the sku

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What? To OC freq, you also recommend tightening timings ? or ?

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And while ballistic do use e die the rated speed they are binned for still is 10ns. This is why I said unless you can weed out the exact kits that use e die or b die

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Based on how new the olloy kits are I have had a hunch they are using e die too

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The ballistics kits are also a good deal but again do gost a good bit more

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That would be great - if you have them, why haven't you just checked in thaiphoon? or are they blank

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I dont have the olloy kit

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I use a binned b die kit

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Which kit?

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I have gotten it as low as 7ns when really pushing it

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Actually I jus noticed team group now has the cheapest 10ns kit on the market

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You keep using that metric - I have no idea why - I nderstand why it's important - but most people use a real benchmark

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Because it is the effective speed of the ram...

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Using just vlock or just timings is literally useless

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And there's more to it ..

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Many 3600 kits are slower than 3000mhz kits

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You can also add sub timings to the equation but that will barely effect the effective latency

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Slowf or fast ram isn't a unidimensional scale

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Actually it pretty much is

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Oh boy

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However fast the ram can respond to a command and get data to the cpu is all that matters

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That is why it is wise to look at ram purely by the effective latency

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For overclocking again you do want to look for specific dies

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And maybe binned variants of those dies after a certain point

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I think I want to look for some Excedrin first

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But most users seem afraid of any effective ram overclocking so this falls out of being necessary for most people buying

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Post your memory benchmarks / screenshots

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I usually dont push memory daily unless I get a new part I want to push it with

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For example when I was using a baseclock oc to get my 2700x to 4.41ghz is when i was pushing me.ory inorder to try to catch a 7700k stock in single core score

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Also something I dont like doing too often as baseclock overclocks really quickly become a pain in the ass if they fail

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Next time I plan to push my kit is when the 3950x is out as I do plan on taking some records with it and hopefully I wont need to use ln2 to hold the records but I do have a pot designed planned for if that does become necessary

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Yw2ttp @deep skiff this is what I think will fit you better but if you do plan on overclocking pay the extra for olloy or ballistics ram

deep skiff Sep 27, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Also I’ve never heard of that psu

little osprey Sep 27, 2019, 3:25 PM

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The commander iii is pretty good

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Unlike the cxm which lacks the most important protection

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Ocp

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What pot is that? Ln2, wow, you must benchmark a lot! What benchmarks would you go for?

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I mostly like firestrike and cinebench for benchmarking

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Superposition is a pain in the ass however

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I ran into issues where it would clear my vega overclock and force it to run stock when I was overclocking v64 (I checked and it wasn't power throttling as I specifically designed my voltage curve to avoid power throttle at each point

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I want to see you take those records with the 3950x - those ln2 guys don't stand a chance

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I haven't used ln2 before but I have a copper pot design planned to allow for more dynamic thermal control over the core dies and a thicker plate over the io die to save some ln2 as that wont need to be as dynamically changed

little osprey Sep 27, 2019, 4:17 PM

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@deep skiff basically the commander iii has 4 12v rails, a double ball bearing fan, at 700w load only hits 50c, all protections but otp which doesnt matter as it has ocp so a cap pop wont kill anything connected and because it doesnt get remotely hot and has a fan that uses the least likely to fail bearing design, has one of the best efficiency curves of all the gold rated psu, and an acceptable warranty.

warm nova Sep 27, 2019, 7:35 PM

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why in the world would you want a 600W psu with 4 12v rails.

little osprey Sep 27, 2019, 9:17 PM

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@warm nova it splits the load better than having a single rail handle the full current draw on the 12v.

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so basically you have fewer amps on each 12v rail as it is split amongst 4

oak fulcrum Sep 27, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Hello, can I ask a build question here ?

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Hello ? Anyone there ? How does this work ?

lime forge Sep 27, 2019, 10:44 PM

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yeah, you can ask a question here

stark spruce Sep 27, 2019, 11:25 PM

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🎵 Is anybody out there? Is anybody there 🎵

deep skiff Sep 28, 2019, 1:21 AM

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n0

edgy copper Sep 28, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Is that David Bowie?

river gale Sep 28, 2019, 9:18 PM

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What would be the minimum part requirements to run a game like BDO on max setting with no lag?

agile bear Sep 29, 2019, 12:18 AM

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What’s bdo

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 12:27 AM

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On remastered settings - a 1080 ti / 2070 super or better probably.

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can someone help me with error code 99 on asrock z390 taichi? Intel DizzyEgg

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Newegg basically said they can only do rma if its within 90 days and they can't help me otherwise

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What have you tried so far?

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I've tried unplugging my sata ssd

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I've changed ports for my ram stick

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I have no graphics card, I am just using intel integrated

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I have tried to use the keybo

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*keyboard to push the buttons on the screen, but I have Microsoft wireless 2000 so I don't know if it needs windows, but if I remove it and my mouse, I get I believe d7, witch is no recognized keyboard or mouse.

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I have reset the cmos

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Have you tried both the hdmi and DP outputs?

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I don't have a dp monitor, but I see the splash screen so I don't think that should be the problem.

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so I use hdmi

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this is my first pc build

robust plinth Sep 29, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Fun

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 12:40 AM

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@little osprey is that card a dual or single slot? Do I need 2? I knew the card would be expensive, wasn't expecting it to be 1550... I really hope that's not American.

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 12:41 AM

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ikr. so stressed bc I have no advanced techies other than me in my family so.

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A used 1080 ti is about $500 USD, a new 2070 super is $500+ , either will likely be 2-3 slot.

I would not recommend SLI

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Maybe... Its hard to sort through a search for these and find the right model type.

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 1:19 AM

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ikr

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https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=447&sort=price&page=1

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 1:58 AM

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searching 1080 lists 0 products

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 1:59 AM

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pc part picker tends to be like that.

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 2:00 AM

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yup

deep skiff Sep 29, 2019, 2:00 AM

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pcpartpicker also has little stuff on itx parts

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 2:00 AM

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i gave up on that and just manualy checked compatability in newegg specs.

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Is there somewhere to read up on different makers. I'm partial to ASUS, but I'm not of the mind to think they are competitive with the other graphic cards. I just don't know them for that area.

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I know they are okay... But what are they doing in making graphic cards?

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Does an ASUS MB communicate better with an ASUS Graphic card when compared to others?

next tangle Sep 29, 2019, 3:11 AM

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3600 and a 1660 or a 2600 and a 1660ti for streaming games like fortnite and editing/recording/rendering things?

limpid merlin Sep 29, 2019, 5:22 AM

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@river gale the brand of the card doesnt really matter, the only thing they can do differently is set fan curves, give better heatsinks, and set slight factory docs, and bin their chips for the more expensive versions

soft holly Sep 29, 2019, 6:26 AM

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What do you guys think about this build? Should i change anything?

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lime forge Sep 29, 2019, 6:27 AM

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only thing i would change is from amazon to newegg

soft holly Sep 29, 2019, 6:30 AM

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Should i get a cpu cooler like 212?

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And idk if the ram i chose would cause clearance issues

lime forge Sep 29, 2019, 6:30 AM

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default cooler on the 3600x is great, i wouldnt

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then you dont have to worry about ram clearance either

soft holly Sep 29, 2019, 6:30 AM

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Cause newegg has the trident z rgb for the same price

lime forge Sep 29, 2019, 6:33 AM

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that corsair ram is a tad faster, but not by much and it wont make any noticible difference

deep skiff Sep 29, 2019, 1:41 PM

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i would drop the 3600x to a 3600 (you can always buy a better cooler later) and the 2060S to a 5700xt like the pulse or nitro+

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 2:15 PM

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So ordering my parts for my first pc build I’m getting a Rx 580 8gb with 16 gb ram and my cpu idk if I should get a r5 1600 or 2600.

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2600 is kinda pushing my budget but is it worth the extra cash or would the 1600 have the same speed

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KPvVn7

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This is my build ^

deep skiff Sep 29, 2019, 2:29 PM

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here's a little cheaper 580 8gb, and i would keep the 2600 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hMKZL2

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Thank you 🙏🏼 is there a difference between the 1600 and 2600

deep skiff Sep 29, 2019, 3:03 PM

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the 2600 is the successor to the 1600

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the 1600 is first gen, the 2600 is second gen, and the 3600 is current gen

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Ok ima get that one then that mobo is compatible right

deep skiff Sep 29, 2019, 3:17 PM

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yeah, 2600 works with b450, x470, x570 and b550 when it comes out

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Works right outta the box?

deep skiff Sep 29, 2019, 4:03 PM

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yeah

soft holly Sep 29, 2019, 7:35 PM

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@deep skiff what’s the difference between the 3600 and 3600x

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Im going with the 2060 s cause i have a g sync monitor

deep skiff Sep 29, 2019, 8:31 PM

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the 3600x has a little bit better cooler and has a slight boost formula change

next tangle Sep 29, 2019, 9:46 PM

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I know I'm asking this but could someone put a list together for me under 600$ for gaming, streaming games like fortnite, editing videos and rendering

lime forge Sep 29, 2019, 9:48 PM

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if i were you id save up for a larger budget if thats what you plan on doing

next tangle Sep 29, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Oh I can't

limpid merlin Sep 29, 2019, 10:12 PM

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oooor go used 😉 @next tangle

soft holly Sep 29, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Would the 3600 be able to handle streaming and gaming

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Yes, the 3600 is a great choice right now.

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 11:32 PM

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The thing with a public forum is that you get a wide range of answers that muddles what you should be getting...

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I've never played fortnight and never want to, lol

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Did you decide on what GPU to get?

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 11:34 PM

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No, there seems to be a wide range of what will handle the job.

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 11:34 PM

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1080 ti's won't likely be available new at a viable price, as such, a 2060s, 2070s, 2080s etc are probably the better pick unless you're comfotable buying used.

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Yep, can be hard to figure out how much PC gets the job done - it's very subjective based on preference

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 11:36 PM

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Yah, I'm worried about refurbished because how can you really vet a part with that many tiny components on it. It seems like its the manufactures product with their warranty removed and some additional risk.

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 11:39 PM

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That's a valid concern. I think a safe middle ground would be something like a $250 or less 1660 ti.
I prefer EVGA because of their customer service and warranty, but everyone has their favorites.

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 11:41 PM

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has navida made hardware upgrades since the 800s? From 500s to 800s all they did was software upgrades.

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 11:44 PM

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Yes, Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell, and Pascall all saw hardware upgrades. The 580>680>780, 980 1080, and finally Turing's 2080 have all brought performance increases.

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Water cooling or air?

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 11:48 PM

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For a new build? or?

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 11:49 PM

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Yah, I can't salvage the one I have now. I don't want to go AMD again.

little osprey Sep 29, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Watercooling for performance sake is unessesary imo. Water cool for aesthetics, for fun, compact design etc

river gale Sep 29, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Pretty much. The only real issue is the proper application of Thermal Paste.

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 12:10 AM

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yea. thas me building my first pc trying to apply thermal paste to the cpu.

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 1:00 AM

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The funny thing is of all those architectures other than maybe kepler if on the same node Turing is the worst ler die space GWlulurdMegaLul

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A 2080 is a significantly larger die than a 1080ti

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And this is because Turing is overly built for int which gpus dont really do much of

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Yet under focuses on floating point and shading in design which does matter for a GPU

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Turing also had too tall of a memory controller and a wide l2 area which resulted in some wasted space

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It is just all around a poorly made arch

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I also wouldnt really recommend the 2060s or 2070 and would also semi have a hard time recommending the 2070s in the current market

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I also wouldnt recommend a 2060

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My advice really is not to look at company and instead look at what you get as both companies have a failure rate and it usually is about the same

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Actually because AMD's heavy overvolting theirs may actually be slightly lower but still nothing that I would say you should use as a reason to buy them either

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 1:14 AM

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@river gale whats wrong with amd? they have good products rn, and a lot better price/performance than intel or nvidia right now

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@lime forge no stop being a fanboy

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 1:15 AM

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My advice again stays the same and ignore any company and instead look at what you are getting with the money you use

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 1:16 AM

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^

river gale Sep 30, 2019, 1:19 AM

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overheating and the physical number of cores

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Heat is by cooler design and not company lol

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And even the blower navi cards dont really overheat stock and while technically louder than Turing cards are only on par with some louder ambient sounds your house will have

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Reference turing cards that is

elder canyon Sep 30, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Intel cpus are hotter than amd ones

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 1:21 AM

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By a pretty significant degree too

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In terms of how hard they are to cool that is

river gale Sep 30, 2019, 1:23 AM

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I don't find programs use multicores in their programming. I find intel has faster individual cores.

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 1:24 AM

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The difference there is only 6% and only is arguable for Intel as a "faster single core" when getting a cpu with smt

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So if you arent getting a 9900k again you are mistaken

elder canyon Sep 30, 2019, 1:25 AM

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What cpu she gettin

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 1:26 AM

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If i was to ever replace my system for Intel this would be my build https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/DDkG3t

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The case in that list i would be replacing my old parts into that one

elder canyon Sep 30, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Wouldnt u need a gpu

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Since no integrated graphics

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 1:31 AM

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not to mention it really is hard to find a scenario where someone with a 3600 will be cpu bottlenecked

elder canyon Sep 30, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Oh nvm

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 1:32 AM

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I am going to have a 1060/1660 near the end of this week so

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Also have to admit not that bad of a price

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 1:46 AM

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you could also get a 590 and likely save around $50 and end up with the same perf as a 1660 but more vram and fewer lod issues @latent bronze

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 2:11 AM

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not to mention the 1060 all around makes 0 sense

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 2:12 AM

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590 is just an overclocked 580

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@little osprey There is a model from Zotac as well that is a GDDR5X version so it is a little more performance from the standard 1060

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 2:13 AM

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no, the bandwidth is the same so the variant of gddr5 used doesnt matter

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so it is a 580 basically still with less vram again

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and a 1660 again is on par with a 590 but still less vram and around $50 more

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and just ahead of a 580

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again just like a 590

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 2:15 AM

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if you overclock the 580 by at least 5% you get a 590

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 2:15 AM

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it is more like 10 to 15%

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and that is basically the gap from a 580 to a 1660 too so your argument of it being a 580 in design doesnt really matter if you are looking at performance

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 2:16 AM

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standard editions are more like 5% it is OC edition for the cards that you would get 10% more

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 2:17 AM

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no, the difference from oc editions and normal variants of almost any card is within a single percent in most scenario as the effective clocks are usually the same

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and you really are underestimating the difference in effective clocks from it and a 580

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it is also on a more refined version of the same node which is why it has a higher peak oc usually and even stock is better than most 580 will oc to

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 2:19 AM

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It has been debunked a lot with a lot of people testing the 580 to the 590 not really noticing that much of a difference which is why they refer to it as an overclocked 580

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 2:19 AM

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and even if we grant your logic then the 1660 and 1060 would once more not really be logical as the 580 then is a 1660 in performance (it really isnt and again i would suggest against comparing them as again the gap is pretty large but when a 1660 and 590 are compared it is single percentiles in either direction)

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@latent bronze it isnt a matter of debate. the 12nm node by tsmc is just a refined version of their 14nm node with higher peak bins and a higher lower tier bins. the 590 is effectively a heavily overclocked 580 with clocks around where you would need to start either blocking a 580 or have a really good golden sample stock to reach.

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they are the same in terms of die design but that is irrelevant to clocks and performance

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if i offered you a 1060 clocked at 1hz or one clocked at 2ghz which would you take

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especially if the one at 1hz would peak out at 1500mhz on its silicon which is lower still than the 2ghz 1060 in this hypothetical

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Just would like the point out another difference as well https://i.gyazo.com/3e34b512452bfe44ff1734f4a981decf.png

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lower memory clock same architecture as a 1070 and higher transistors

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 2:28 AM

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the die in use doesnt effect performance when the extra sm are disabled...

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this should be common sense

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much like why a vii doesn't match an mi60 and only matches an mi 50 despite all being on the same die (excluding fp64 where half is lasered off the vii and it cant compare to either)

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and both gp106 and 104 are the same architecture

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but they disabled or lasered off defective parts of the die or working parts of unused dies to make it literally a 1060

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and that is the number of transistors on the die

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not the number of transistors in use

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as again most are lasered off

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the bus width and vram clock also stayed the same so despite using gddr5x it is still the same bandwidth and there wasn't really a performance gain

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th the gddr5x 1060 is still only on par with a 580 but again with less vram and again more lod issues

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you can make a number of performance tiers off a single die

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hell, almost all gcn 5.0 cards are on vega 10

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and almost all if not all 5.1 cards are on vega 20

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here is a good analogy. Which has more water between a 30 oz cup with 10 oz of water and a 60oz cup wit 10oz of water?

zealous pilot Sep 30, 2019, 2:51 AM

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just helped my roommate build his first pc feelsgoodman

fossil hedge Sep 30, 2019, 2:53 AM

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cool good job

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:00 AM

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So if a 1070 is 25% better than the 590 and the 590 is 8% better than the 1060 and the GDDR5X model is 6% better than the normal 1060 wouldn't that mean the GDDR5X 1060 is on par with the 590 then 🤔

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 3:01 AM

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It’d be 2% slower

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:02 AM

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but that 2% is pretty much like a frame or half of a frame

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 3:02 AM

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no because you literally made up those proportions and performance gaps. i can do the same and say the 1060 gddr5x is 100% slower than the normal 1060 and the 590 is 200% faster and it is just as valid of a claim as it is baseless and wont match up with any testing

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my advice to you is to look into hardware unboxed

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as he does large test to find more quantitative data to compare gpus

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:03 AM

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i just did my research just now and also watched a bunch of video's based on those research kind of think why i haven't been talking for said amount of time

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 3:04 AM

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you clearly didnt do any research other than maybe user benchmark which really is one of the worst sources you can use

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:04 AM

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ya i have been doing completely nothing for 30 minutes

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 3:06 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrQPrY1tio

YouTube

Hardware Unboxed

GTX 1660 Mega 33 Game Benchmark feat. The Division 2 [1080p & 1440p]

Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB: https://bit.ly/2TOVBof Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/hardwareunboxed GeForce GTX 1660 - https://amzn.to/2ClT...

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latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:06 AM

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You do know there is forums that people has done tests between the standard vs the GDDR5X model right which they've only seen a 6% difference in performance

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 3:06 AM

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the difference from a 1660 and 590 is 4% and his error margin when testing in 5%

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so they are equal

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:08 AM

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It is time to start laughing because you're showing a video from what almost 7 months ago which in time with driver updates and all there can be changes

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 3:09 AM

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https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1060-6-gb-gddr5x.c3328

TechPowerUp

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB GDDR5X Specs

NVIDIA GP104, 1709 MHz, 1280 Cores, 80 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 6144 MB GDDR5X, 1001 MHz, 192 bit

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https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1060-6-gb.c2862

TechPowerUp

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB Specs

NVIDIA GP106, 1709 MHz, 1280 Cores, 80 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 6144 MB GDDR5, 2002 MHz, 192 bit

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notice how they are literally the same bandwidth...

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that is the only advantage you can see from adding a new memory type and is not seen there as the memory wasnt clocked higher and instead was failed spec gddr5x used to avoid putting it to waste...

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:10 AM

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I have done my own benchmark video's of the 570 and with games like The Division 2 i have had people comment 3 months later asking why they are getting like 5 more frames which i also have to tell them that drivers can prove a difference

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Also you just pointed something out there as well

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Explain how the 590 would be like a 1070 when there is this much of a gap between the 1060 and 590 https://i.gyazo.com/26eaeb90ae2bc2f2e6ea05a5884ea897.png

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 3:11 AM

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drivers for both cards are the same as they are treated as the same card in terms of commands drivers give...

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@latent bronze tech powerup is not good at comparing parts as it is based on a pretty ill formed equation by the config of the part and not by the actual performance

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they are used for their data base to compare the layout of different cards but using it as a source for performance is a joke

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:13 AM

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So if it not good why are you using it then

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 3:13 AM

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so you can see the cards are literally configured the same

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there is no added bandwidth

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peak memory clocks are the same

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and bus width is the same

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:13 AM

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i like AMD as much as the next guy but if there is something similar or better why would i buy something you would suggest

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 3:14 AM

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again, it isnt better than the normal 1060 6gb...

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i really dont know how this is difficult for you to understand

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memory type doesnt change performance if bandwidth is the same

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:18 AM

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https://youtu.be/mHAP7fiJk-M?t=122

YouTube

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A NEW GTX 1060?! - Why Nvidia?

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little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 3:20 AM

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i dont think you watched that video

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he explains the bandwidth again is literally the same so the new vram doesnt matter

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:21 AM

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well it is a 1060 still of course it is going to have 6gb

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 3:22 AM

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you realize the 1060 6ghb also has 6gb....

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the 1060 3gb is a cut down 1060 6gb and is on par with a 570 lmao

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but again less vram and in this case major lod issues

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https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1060-3-gb.c2867 here is the 3gb 1060 for reference

TechPowerUp

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3 GB Specs

NVIDIA GP106, 1708 MHz, 1152 Cores, 72 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 3072 MB GDDR5, 2002 MHz, 192 bit

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it isnt just less vram

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it is 10% fewer sm

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@latent bronze

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 4:17 AM

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ree?

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 5:52 PM

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@latent bronze so do you understand why you are mistaken finally?

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Ecks? do you remember me

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:16 PM

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not really to be honest

still roostBOT Sep 30, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Arctic_Sinczx#8715 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:16 PM

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ok\

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you were kind of arguing with a guy and said he knew nothing about my pcpartpicker list when i posted the link

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:19 PM

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ya looked back now

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:23 PM

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ok, well i have a new and better part list, and it will probably look cool (RGB)https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NgTYJb

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:24 PM

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It is a nice build but i would still change the GPU for one from like Sapphire

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Ok, would it still be around 160 dollars?

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:26 PM

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10$ more but would be better

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k3FZL2

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:28 PM

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That's the same one I was thinking of adding.

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:28 PM

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MSI isn't that bad but the model you picked i have heard a lot of complaints based on the noise of the card

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:29 PM

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oh ok

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:29 PM

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pretty much that armor card is just way more budget wise

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 11:30 PM

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unpopular opinion but I would just get the 2600+better cooler

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:30 PM

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The blue RX 580 from sapphire looked really cool, and would go with the colors of the build.

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How is the 2600 even different from the 2600X

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:31 PM

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gaming performance wise without overclocking about 2% to 5%

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really depends on the game as well to be honest

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:32 PM

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I Probably won't Oc because I have no experience with it and I wouldn't wanna mess anything up.

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:32 PM

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The only difference between the 2 is the 2600 has a lower base clock

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:32 PM

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I heard that the stock coolers weren't half bad either

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 11:32 PM

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The 2600x has a slightly better cooler also

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but a $20 cooler would be better than either

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:33 PM

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They're ok but still better to get an after market cooler

dark raven Sep 30, 2019, 11:33 PM

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CPU base coolers are junk

deep skiff Sep 30, 2019, 11:33 PM

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I have a 2600x and would of probably gotten a 2600+ better cooler

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the prism is a decent cooler @dark raven

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:33 PM

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@dark raven That isn't completely true

dark raven Sep 30, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Not that decent

latent bronze Sep 30, 2019, 11:34 PM

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if it is Intel then yes it is junk but for AMD side of things it is different

dark raven Sep 30, 2019, 11:34 PM

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It's enough to run base clock with minor oc

little osprey Sep 30, 2019, 11:34 PM

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One thing to note - nice CPU coolers like Noctua D15's last as long as you avoid breaking them - Noctua even sends free mounting hardware sometimes

dark raven Sep 30, 2019, 11:34 PM

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For amd last I checked

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I actually liked the hyper 212

silver lion Sep 30, 2019, 11:34 PM

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@dark raven I'm not gonna Oc really at all

dark raven Sep 30, 2019, 11:34 PM

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But it's huge