gaming

[halcyon fossil]

i have a rift s, good for $400 but probably should get quest instead

if youre looking for recommendations @thorny lava i can help tomorro

tomorrow^

also

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sv1Hgfuhm6_i0wOIHTmPHRxmO0mpO7DjvU3T4XVyUFU/edit?usp=sharing

check that out

anyways imma sleep ping me with questions i will see in the morning

[burnt atlas]

your belief in marketing is truly strong :)

[full wing]

Oh, I just copied and pasted what someone said.

But I believe it.

[burnt atlas]

good for you :)

do yourself a favour and wait for a review.

[full wing]

I will.

[round orbit]

there are 2 types of vr inside out and outside in and depending on what you want to do in vr and id you have a prefrance between the 2.

there is 3 diffrent options there is quest if you want something standalone the rift s if you want something that isnt and then wmr

if your going to go budget the id go for the quest as it has the link cable that makes its pc vr just as capable as the rift

but if you want to go for outside in then you need to pay a bit more as you need light houses and other stuff

for that your best bet is the index

[manic mural]

vr stuff goes to @halcyon fossil

[untold star]

Zack I saw your spreadsheet and I would like to know why eye tracking in listed even tho nothing has it

[calm reef]

Some headsets have eye tracking like the eye tracking version of the vive pro

[halcyon fossil]

its a spec sheet

its supposed to be detailed

[lone delta]

Anyone here have a vr?

[burnt atlas]

@halcyon fossil you got time for the above question?

[halcyon fossil]

sure

yes i have a vr

[onyx grove]

good answer

[untold star]

Some headsets have eye tracking like the eye tracking version of the vive pro
@calm reef well I looked at them all and it said “N” all of them but I’ll keep that in mind

[raven flame]

If someone isn't going to bother formulating their question into a useful format, don't ping zack about it, lol.

[burnt atlas]

@manic mural

[manic mural]

whew

now that looks nice

[burnt atlas]

its slowly getting there

biters have been a pita

[manic mural]

and you already have a nice rail system

[burnt atlas]

the "start" of a rail system

[manic mural]

My rail system is already screwed up, and it only has 4 stops

[burnt atlas]

i am currently semi racing against the evolution factor

[manic mural]

I see

[burnt atlas]

hence why i am reaching for uranium at the north now

[manic mural]

gotta get some DU shells eh

[burnt atlas]

and then hoping i can get that up and running before i tick over the 0.9 evo treshold and get behemoth biters

no, i just need power

[manic mural]

oh

[burnt atlas]

so i can get a wall up with lasers

currently i have about 4-6 minutes between expansion forces

[manic mural]

gogogo

[burnt atlas]

also, nuclear will allow me to get my roboports online in a serious fashion

[manic mural]

How efficient do you think a factory with no trains no conveyor belts and only roboports would be?

[burnt atlas]

it can be quite efficient IF designed for it

[manic mural]

It's probably really crappy but how could you get it efficient?

[burnt atlas]

the main problem is the amount of goods that the robots can carry

[manic mural]

Bots feel well slow to respond

And that

[burnt atlas]

and the next is that you need to design it for multiple networks that DONT overlap

[manic mural]

?

[burnt atlas]

look at my picture above

imagine that the bots working at the mine up north, get a command to move an item in the south

(if it was a bot-only setup that is)

that item would be locked in place until that bot moves from up north, to down south

and yes, you can overcome this with a LOT of bots, but that only works "so far"

make sense?

[manic mural]

Yes

I have everything on one network

And it only really works because there's like 6000 bots in the network

[burnt atlas]

and even then, you will have situations where the bots feel "sluggish"

which is because of what i described above

[manic mural]

Yea

I do have bots going pretty far to grab stone, and that stone is constantly used up

[burnt atlas]

use a train instead

[manic mural]

I hate using trains so far

[burnt atlas]

hehe :)

[manic mural]

Well my old place for stone did use a train

Because it was further

[burnt atlas]

why do you move stone like that?

because you need raw stone ?

or is it for smelting to bricks?

[manic mural]

Bricks for furnaces, brick for concrete, stone for rails,

Etc

Stone for landfill

[burnt atlas]

okay, so you ARE smelting on site?

[manic mural]

No

[burnt atlas]

landfill is something i normally dedicate a full patch for

[manic mural]

I bring raw stone down to smelt

[burnt atlas]

gah!

smelt onsite if you have to

its 5:1

[manic mural]

5 drill to 1 electric furnace?

[burnt atlas]

i mean, 5 raw stone to 1 brick

[manic mural]

Ohhh

Yea

It's kinda bad how I set it up

I should move the smelting

[burnt atlas]

its a learning experience :)

[sudden kernel]

anyone tryna play among us?

hmu

[minor yew]

Just got no man's sky, time to play it in VR B)

[placid oriole]

does anyone play hypixel bedwar if so dm me

[full wing]

Yo I need someone to play Valorant with tomorrow at 2pm central time in a tournament

[halcyon fossil]

o.o

wait gotta crop

[heavy cypress]

Ooo

[calm reef]

Meh

Original rift I think you can find cheaper

New oculus rumored soon anyway

[untold star]

i might get the HTC vive

[halcyon fossil]

dont get any of those

first off

https://www.oculus.com/rift-s/

its $400 on the oculus site

so youd be paying +$25 for a used headset

second, vive stopped making consumer vr headsets

i wouldnt buy a headset from a brand thats discontinued that line of products when other newer better stuff is available for same price

vive controllers suck, the head band isnt as comfortable as some other options

the cosmos is great except for the fact that the controllers have a 50/50 chance of working

[untold star]

Oh

It’s better to go oculus

[halcyon fossil]

yep

and the cv1 rift base stations suck, you need 3 for good full body tracking, and they plug in with usb instead of connecting through bluetooth

also

fcaebook connect 7 is right around the corner (sept 7th) and its rumored to announce a $300 headset

if i were you id wait to hear what that might be

[untold star]

okay and usb is fine

i might have to get a USB hub but yea

[untold star]

So this...what does this mean

I wear glasses

[halcyon fossil]

you can buy prescription lens inserts so you dont have to wear your glasses in vr

i say buy the headset and test it first without and with glasses and see if the inserts are worth it

[untold star]

Oh okay thanks for your help much obliged

[pale basin]

for those that dont know how weapons work in destiny 2, ill sum it up: This should be illegal to do

[halcyon fossil]

average damage per round 353

4 triple kills, 1 quad, and 1 ace

508 average combat score

[rocky grail]

someone dm me to play among us

[glad urchin]

508 average combat score
Take it easy hot shot sheesh

[halcyon fossil]

talking here because its basically my channel

plus general chat is just anime

anyways

more reasons why word is just better

styles at the top are customizable per document so you dont have to change to bold, change the color, or anything

just configure it once per document

it helps me write stuff just faster

ive changed standard body font to default to font size 12

and heading 2 to default to bold

theres so many different options for customization

and automation

[pale basin]

imagine talking about Word in pc and vr gaming instead of os and software

smh my head

[halcyon fossil]

forgot that existed

whatever

what a good moderator i am

automatic table of contents

i love word so much

[pale basin]

https://tenor.com/view/nani-jojo-gif-9845045

[full wing]

just got among us but no one to play with. anyone down?

[calm reef]

Eww word

[halcyon fossil]

ghost

word is making this document look so professional

when its all done near the end of the year im gonna print it all out

school year*

i still need to make a cover page

but ill do that after im done taking notes for the day

[glad urchin]

His word document do look professional doe

[raven flame]

petition to rename this to zack-channel

[manic mural]

petition to make vr-gaming a separate chat

[wraith gorge]

vr valorant when?

[glad urchin]

Thatd be trippy

[unkempt terrace]

medium settings and the game still looks gorgeous

[tame cradle]

anyone play overwatch?

[burnt atlas]

for you @manic mural

[manic mural]

sooo pretty

[burnt atlas]

habits are weird

this is how i have built sulfur production for ages

i have no logical reason for why i didnt think of this version before now

[manic mural]

Lol

Have you seen my sulfur?

[burnt atlas]

maybe?

[manic mural]

You probably don't want to

I won't force you to see gore

[burnt atlas]

haha

[manic mural]

@burnt atlas

[burnt atlas]

hahaha :D

[manic mural]

I mean

I don't need sulfur for anything else >:D

[burnt atlas]

science

blue science requires sulfur

[manic mural]

HMM???

[burnt atlas]

sulfuric acid does too

[manic mural]

THEN HOW DO I HAVE BLUE SCIENCE PRODUCTION

sulfuric acid is produced right there

[burnt atlas]

because you are on a old as heck world

explosives also need sulfur

[manic mural]

oh right I changed it up

Explosives are made in that pic too

[burnt atlas]

aye aye

[manic mural]

it used to take electric miners

[burnt atlas]

yes

[manic mural]

btw I'm gonna completely revamp my science production and research

tbh I want to embrace the grid

and become good

but I'm just gonna improve this stuff for now

[burnt atlas]

:)

[manic mural]

I confuse even myself sometimes

why tf do I have full belts of purple and gray and single everything else

[burnt atlas]

:D

i just really need to get the next science online

because then i can fully get power rolling without worries

[manic mural]

now this is starting to look better

[burnt atlas]

remember that you are going to need a seventh type too

[manic mural]

I'm doing the in-a-line strat of pulling from front and back

so I'll only need a chest in the back with space science

and filter inserters

[burnt atlas]

that works

[manic mural]

Lab placement in terms of beacon AOE, top or bottom?

[burnt atlas]

2sec

[manic mural]

alright

[burnt atlas]

technically you are missing out on beacon effect with a setup like yours

[manic mural]

?

[burnt atlas]

because the spacing between the labs makes it so that some of the labs will have less beacons on them

[manic mural]

ah

oh well

[burnt atlas]

hence why people use belt weaving for it

[manic mural]

the belt weaving is too complicated for my brain

I'll keep this

[burnt atlas]

something like that is quite common

that can handle all the sciences

4 types per side

[manic mural]

also @burnt atlas I need help with rail signaling

[burnt atlas]

yes?

[manic mural]

So this is what I want

A train that just goes from iron pickup to dropoff

and a train that just goes from copper pickup to dropoff

[burnt atlas]

yes

following you so far

[manic mural]

they keep running into each other in this loop thing

how to fix :(

I thought sectioning off each entrance might stop them from

yaknow running into each other

[burnt atlas]

notice the colours

[manic mural]

but now they get stuck in the purple and blue on the right side

ye

actually I'm dumb lemme try something

this should work right...

Except if a train from down-left came into the loop as a train was exiting from right side

hmm

wait

fixed

[burnt atlas]

rule of thumb, rail signal (the 3 colour one), the spacing between them should allow for the train+wagons

[manic mural]

this should work too right

[burnt atlas]

chain signals (the other signal) are for signaling what is ahead to the train

[manic mural]

hmm okay

[burnt atlas]

that last one will work

[manic mural]

I know the basics

but I don't know how they really work in application

[burnt atlas]

but it will ofc block the purple line from traffic while "something" is in there

[manic mural]

I think I fixed it now

anyways back to building science thingy

I think I might do the thing in your pic naed

[burnt atlas]

and remember, you dont need stack inserters for it

[manic mural]

ofc I say that after I made this wacky thing

[burnt atlas]

science consumption will never be fast enough for it

[manic mural]

I automated production of my fast thingies into stack thingies

[burnt atlas]

:)

[manic mural]

maybe a good idea maybe a bad idea

idk

[burnt atlas]

stack inserters are lovely for some things, and complete overkill for others :)

[manic mural]

I love my robot swarm

[burnt atlas]

:)

[manic mural]

how many lines of labs do you think I should set up with?

[burnt atlas]

i think you are going to be quite surprised at how much a single line can consume

[manic mural]

How many in a line? 5? 10?

[burnt atlas]

especially IF you load it with prod 3 modules in the labs and speed 3 in the beacons

10 is a solid start

[manic mural]

that reminds me, gotta convert my production to speed 3 temporarily

until I get a solid purple and red circuit production

anyways 1 line of 10 labs for now

[burnt atlas]

the one i showed you, if loaded with lvl 3 modules and beacons (the circular belt one i have) can eat 250 science/min

and the straight line eats more

but it cannot remember the number

[full wing]

factorio?

[manic mural]

oh wait naed does red and blue underground belts use different underground "lanes"?

ya

[full wing]

ooh

this is very technical

i bought it a moth back

havent played yet

[burnt atlas]

aye, yellow/red/blue all operate on different "layers"

hence why the layout i showed you can be fed from one side with 8 ½belts

[manic mural]

yea

@full wing it's extremely easy to get into imo

if I can get into it

it's a simple game that gets more complicated and fun as you go

Ah great all my crap is backed up because this copper train isn't gonna move until it's unloaded, and it's not gonna unload until the copper line starts moving again, which is gonna need iron to produce stuff with, and the iron train is stuck behind it...

I gotta re-make that section of rail

[burnt atlas]

:)

now you know why i use "dual main with of shots"

for rail

[manic mural]

fixed it fornow

I see

interesting

[burnt atlas]

that one is a hack of a dual station thou, its for uranium mining

hence dual type station

but its a temporary thing

[manic mural]

I see

[burnt atlas]

aye, that seperates to "some extent" your main "a to b" line from the stations

which is what you really want

[manic mural]

um, I'm only hearing gibberish to me now

[burnt atlas]

give me a bit, i will be fiddling around with rail on my end soon

and then i can show it

[manic mural]

Fair enough

Welp, I guess I have evolved from having to ask about PC questions to asking you about factorio questions >:D

[burnt atlas]

:)

[manic mural]

how does this look for now until I get speed 3 stuff?

[burnt atlas]

that looks plenty fine :)

remember the extra lane up top

you might as well put it in now

[manic mural]

I'll put it in once I get space science tbh

[burnt atlas]

fair enough :)

[manic mural]

haven't decided if I want one main bus from the left or just slap in space from the right

[burnt atlas]

i have an example on the "main line" stuff in a moment

[manic mural]

aight

[burnt atlas]

here you go @manic mural

[manic mural]

signal view thingy plz?

[burnt atlas]

my "ghost" hand is on top of a rail signal (3 colour one)

[manic mural]

so the train can come in from any direction and go anywhere?

[burnt atlas]

the horizontal rail tracks are east to west (thats the top lane)

and west to east (for the bottom lane)

make sense?

[manic mural]

oh interesting

so how do you enforce that?

does the trains just know to go top lane going west?

@burnt atlas I'm now addicted to using productivity 3 modules + speed 2 beacons halp

[burnt atlas]

if you notice the arrow directions

depending on which side of the rail you place the signal, it is either LEFT or RIGHT drive

just like a normal road really

example of the arrows i am talking about :)

and prod+speed, there is no cure

this is factorio

the factory must grow

[manic mural]

ohhhh

I was confused on why you can place signals on each side

@burnt atlas do you by any change have a good purple circuit production blueprint on hand?

I need moar

a lot moar

[burnt atlas]

you mean blue?

the ones that use sulfuric acid for production @manic mural ?

[manic mural]

Yea

[burnt atlas]

2sec

[manic mural]

BTW Naed, it turns out I forgot to set my copper train back to automatic, and my copper line hasn't had any issues for the last hour lmfao

I just had my wire production basically stop and I was like wtf

turns out I haven't been moving copper around for the last hour

[burnt atlas]

sounds like you have a hellish amount of copper in storage :)

[manic mural]

Well, that's just the copper that was sitting in the unloading section adding onto the constant copper coming from a small mine in the north

this thing thats bouta run out

[burnt atlas]

ah

let me just grab that blue circuit BP for you

you want one that works with beacons and modules right?

[manic mural]

yes

tbh the new stuff I've made after being on Wegg discord looks so nice compared to my old stuff

[burnt atlas]

https://pastebin.com/j1hNtsGg

thats a small scalable setup that you can add beacons onto

[manic mural]

tyty

[burnt atlas]

trust me, you do not have the production for a full blue belt of blue circuits setup :)

[manic mural]

I was kinda looking for the red and green circuits but I can do those myself

[burnt atlas]

2sec

[manic mural]

Naed, the thing is, everything that's not filled up is stuff requiring blue chips

[burnt atlas]

i dont have a "mid-game" blueprint for that

[manic mural]

what about end-game >:D

oh wait

right you use grid train thingy

[manic mural]

I can deal with wire and green chips

hmm

[burnt atlas]

that is the one for blue circuits

[manic mural]

interesting xD

[burnt atlas]

it eats 15 belts of green circuits

[manic mural]

Do you know the conversion rate for how many factories of wires:Green Chips:Red Chips into 2 blue chip factories?

oh wait

forgot this thing existed

https://kirkmcdonald.github.io/calc.html#data=1-0-0&items=advanced-circuit:f:1

[burnt atlas]

this might sound a bit weird, but i would recommend that you learn how to figure things out by yourself first

it gives you a much easier time at seeing if things are "acting up"

[manic mural]

I did

[burnt atlas]

kk

[manic mural]

this abomination was me doing it myself

so I kinda just dont want to do that again

[burnt atlas]

give me a moment to grab a bp here

[manic mural]

fair nuff

[burnt atlas]

https://pastebin.com/6aj0iigd

thats for 1 blue belt of GREEN circuits

[manic mural]

and I assume you have bp for red? Do I just need 1 belt of green for the 2 blue chip factory, then another belt for the red chips?

[burnt atlas]

no no, not how it works

the blue chip one is just a single "unit" that can be stamped down as many times as you want side by side

its for a beacon setup just like the science line

rows of beacons on 2 sides

[manic mural]

huh

can you show a pic of how it would work? since it'll need red chips too?

[burnt atlas]

aye aye

here is the red chip BP

https://pastebin.com/Y8xZ2dTK

that one takes 2 of the green chip BP to work

(at full speed)

[manic mural]

agh I need more petroleum gas and I'm fracking down the heavy and light oil

guess more refineries is the way to go

[burnt atlas]

ah, i see the confusion with the blue chip BP

its a "single side" beacon one

[manic mural]

ah

[burnt atlas]

sorry for the ghost build there, but i dont have access to most of those things on this run yet

i have a different one that might work better for you

that shows what it is doing too

https://pastebin.com/65KhNsjq

there is the BP for it

@manic mural see above

[manic mural]

I deal with the rest of everything tomorrow lol, was dealing with oil

[burnt atlas]

want a solution for oil?

[full wing]

facts

[burnt atlas]

hm?

[manic mural]

@burnt atlas I've been doing my own thing but I'd be interested if you can give me a bp

[burnt atlas]

give me a moment

https://pastebin.com/sv4EuJMD

there you go @manic mural

you feed and pull from it. on the vertical highway of pipes

[full wing]

@burnt atlas @manic mural how do you normally get bps?

does it give them ingame

[burnt atlas]

you build, then you make a "copy" (a bp of what you built)

[manic mural]

@burnt atlas holy

thats a big boi

NAED MA PIPES

[burnt atlas]

you wanted a solution for oil

that is a solution for oil :P

and remember what i said above about it @manic mural

[manic mural]

cheeky pipe thingy

I see the line of different liquids

quite interesting

[burnt atlas]

everything that is there, also the wires are needed for it to actually run "right"

[manic mural]

Also Naed, is there any way of making artificial water?

like a man made lake

[burnt atlas]

only by way of a mod

because IF you could do it, you can make biters very trivial

[manic mural]

ah

I want that because water for refining

[burnt atlas]

but there is a good mod for it, give me a moment to start my factorio up and see what the name is, because i know i have it in my list of inactives

"waterfill" is the name

[manic mural]

completely redoing everything I do that uses oil

:P

[burnt atlas]

:P :P

[manic mural]

Naed how do I delete BPs from inventory

[burnt atlas]

shift right click

or read the info on the screen :P

[manic mural]

didn't say how

Naed do you think it'll be viable for me to just use my logistics system and not a train for sulfuric acid for uranium?

because the train station is in the middle of ma base

and it's a bit too far for pipes

and it's already connected up to my logistics network

[burnt atlas]

you dont need "that" much uranium when it comes down to it

so that is totally viable

when you have a open BP, it should say how, but imported ones, before they are placed in the inventory can be a bit weird

because the game technically does not know what they are yet

[manic mural]

ah

eh my uranium isn't much so yea

[burnt atlas]

also, you can use the BP books to nest BP's in other Books

[manic mural]

I do that

just I got duplicates

because I imported multiple times

[burnt atlas]

with non-space science mining productivity, and without kovarex

[manic mural]

Kovarex is setup elsewhere

[burnt atlas]

what you have there should be able to run 8 nuclear reactors for a silly long time.

[manic mural]

lmfaooooo adding the beacons made this power system just crap out

[burnt atlas]

:)

[manic mural]

I had this ran on a separate system from my main for... reasons idk why

[burnt atlas]

now you know why in the old bases i showed you, i had FIELDS of solar panels and accu's

[manic mural]

guess I gotta link it up with main

[burnt atlas]

:)

[manic mural]

My addiction to beacons...

like this is my current energy consumption for everything

[burnt atlas]

hehe

[manic mural]

I really need to look around at the bullcrap I did before, I mean, why tf do I have like 5k total of electric engines chillin

[burnt atlas]

:)

[manic mural]

Also Naed, is there a way for liquids to go faster?

[burnt atlas]

pumps, pressure

there is a limit per pipe

let me guess, you have been doing "town well" style ?

one source for everything?

[manic mural]

Yes

[burnt atlas]

yeah, that only works until a certain point

[manic mural]

I'm moving everything over now

?

[burnt atlas]

and beacons can make things come to a head very quickly

consider this, the first of my big bases i showed you, iirc, it has 3 of those oil setups in the BP

and that is not enough to keep it all running

[manic mural]

oh boy

Welp, bye old piece of trash

[burnt atlas]

:)

[manic mural]

turns out, there was ~4k red fast belt things in there somewhere?

so now that's all in the logistics system storage

[burnt atlas]

i have a task for you

[manic mural]

Yes?

[burnt atlas]

make a sorter

[manic mural]

sorter?

[burnt atlas]

a machine/setup that sorts all your items

[manic mural]

like sorts them according to what

I'm a person that just tells bots to bring things to me so idc how the chests look

[burnt atlas]

well, it would be practical for you to get usable items "used"

[manic mural]

and most of the stuff in central storage are the crap my machines don't use, only I might call on them at some point or is just literal trash

[burnt atlas]

80% of that, at a glance, is stuff that could be used in science beaker production

[manic mural]

hm?

like?

[burnt atlas]

mouse over your beakers

take note of the items that they use

see how much you have in the logistic system of that

[manic mural]

oh the beakers in storage are an effect of me taking apart my labs a while ago

and also

[burnt atlas]

no no

not the beakers themselves

[manic mural]

they're all automated

[burnt atlas]

stone, steel, engines, electric engines

[manic mural]

passive provider + requester

I have a separate steel section

separate stone section

separate engine/electric engine section (I just took it out a sec ago)

[burnt atlas]

ah yes, the "single production point style"

have at it :)

[manic mural]

tbh I gotta get the beakers back into the labs

those in storage are result of me taking apart my labs a while ago

[burnt atlas]

let me show you a simple "solution"

[manic mural]

buffer chests?

gtg

[burnt atlas]

simplified, but that ofc works for requesters

obviously

now, lets say that belt leads to a bunch of machines making the two types, but you have some beakers you want to "force" into the belt ahead of that

take good note of the yellow INPUT arrow on the splitter

that is a indicator that it prefers input from that belt

as long as what you send in, is on the same sides as the production that is theoretically coming from the right side on the horizontal belt

you can empty your stash of beakers that way

[atomic granite]

anyone know a good budget vr

for pc

[halcyon fossil]

give it a couple days

[bronze glade]

@halcyon fossil do you think oculus will release quest 2? I wanted to buy quest but they discontinued

[halcyon fossil]

yes

[bronze glade]

I’m planning on buying belt headset this year

[halcyon fossil]

heres my ideas

[bronze glade]

I hope I don’t regret for waiting for too long lol

And hopefully quest is waayyy better

[halcyon fossil]

i think since they discontinued the quest, and all rumors pointing towards a $300 headset, i think they are gonna release a $300 quest lite with hand tracking and controllers sold separately to replace the go, and a $4-500 quest 2 which will be more powerful

[bronze glade]

At the same I don’t want white color like leaker showed

Awesome

I hope so I like quest so far for standalone and can plug into pc

Not like rift s

[halcyon fossil]

theyre definetly not gonna get rid of that feature

[bronze glade]

Good

[halcyon fossil]

it might not be on the $300 model, but if my prediction is right the higher end one will have it

theyre not gonna discontinue the quest and not make a replacement for it, so yeah

[bronze glade]

Ill buy if it’s $400-500

If more I’ll be upset

I’d wished I’ve got first quest as my first vr headset

Htc vine is totally way OP

@halcyon fossil

Do you have quest?

Or any be headset

[halcyon fossil]

i have a rift s

[bronze glade]

Vr*

Do you like it?

[halcyon fossil]

also no htc vr headset is good tbh

too expensive

[bronze glade]

Have you tried it?

[halcyon fossil]

i like my rift s tho

[bronze glade]

Ok would you recommend quest or rift s?

[halcyon fossil]

well no, but you pay $500 for a refurbished first gen vr heaedset with no speakers or built in headphones, bad controllers in comparison to index or oculus, low resolution, and bad comfort

[bronze glade]

I know I’ll wait until new one comes out but not sure which is better

[halcyon fossil]

when you could get a quest or rift s for $100 less

get a quest

it can do everything rift s can do basically

rift s is more comfortable and has higher refresh rate

[bronze glade]

Hm ok good to know

[halcyon fossil]

quest has hardware ipd, hand tracking,

but yeah wait for event

btw

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sv1Hgfuhm6_i0wOIHTmPHRxmO0mpO7DjvU3T4XVyUFU/edit?usp=sharing

[bronze glade]

Yeah I will

Thanks for the info

I’ve tried psvr and I think it’s fun but man psvr sucks with tracking system

Kinda hard to play with

[manic mural]

Oh @burnt atlas I don't really like keeping science around

[burnt atlas]

that concept works for all types of item

its how you keep your storage down to a manageable level in bigger bases

[manic mural]

okay

@burnt atlas so whenever I tell bots to demolish stuff, all the stuff goes to central storage and all the bots line up to charge, and charging takes a while, any way to fix that other than more roboports?

Also, whenever you have time, do you have a sulfur bp? it's quite simple so I can do it myself but maybe you have something efficient

[burnt atlas]

i dont have a good bp for Sulfur

and it will be a bit until i get back to reworking the one i am using

[manic mural]

do I need extra signaling here?

[burnt atlas]

a bit = many hours of play

[manic mural]

lel

[burnt atlas]

well, if you dont have signals there, you are just pushing the place the trains stop, back to the last signal before that

does that make sense @manic mural ?

see that?

those two train signals (south and east) are the places that a train would check if the path ahead is free

in the following:

you can see that there is not room for a 1-2 train (1 engine, 2 wagons) on the south side and before the intersection

but on the east side?

[manic mural]

ah

[burnt atlas]

there is

signal placement reflects what kind of trains you want to have running on the rails

because you could easily place a million train signals really close

[manic mural]

this should be good for now right?

its 2 different tracks

[burnt atlas]

but it would just make the trains "start/stop"

is the south-east track only one way?

[manic mural]

both ways

[burnt atlas]

then you are missing a signal

[manic mural]

now the SE train is yelling at me about no path

[burnt atlas]

because your signals are not consistent

[manic mural]

?

[burnt atlas]

see that

[manic mural]

made thingies on both sides, and still no path, tis be confusing

?

[burnt atlas]

its the full "path" that the train considers

from start to finish

[manic mural]

so does it not see this part as traversable for some reason?

[burnt atlas]

if your signals are effed up "somewhere" you get that message

[manic mural]

this is the only place with signals

for the SE train

[burnt atlas]

train stops are also signals

[manic mural]

uhh?

something wrong here?

[burnt atlas]

try and place a train signal behind the space the train takes up and just in front of the station itself.

[manic mural]

changed rail at the intersection and the train just drove past me

it seemed the the train having the curve before the signal was the issue

[burnt atlas]

yes, because as i said, it considers the full path

and without seeing the full signal network

it is close to impossible to guess at :)

take a look at this

[manic mural]

so it seems it has to have a straight at the intersection

because it had a curve

left side signal needs to be closer?

[burnt atlas]

its not the curve that does it

[manic mural]

I mean because curve doesn't let you slap signal on

which leads to that

[burnt atlas]

no. factually false

[manic mural]

hm?

what was the issue then?

[burnt atlas]

give me a paste bin of your intersection

[manic mural]

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

this is right now

[burnt atlas]

you are saying that something like this. cannot be signaled right?

[manic mural]

maybe

lemme just recreate what I had before

[manic mural]

this is before

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

weeee still doesn't work

[burnt atlas]

show me the loop

[manic mural]

signals everywhere, I think it works now

[burnt atlas]

because there is not anything "wrong" with the intersection

[manic mural]

I'll show you the loop in a sec

Okay it's completely working now

it just past through both sides

[burnt atlas]

because you are NOW telling it exactly what direction all rails are going.

[manic mural]

circled is where I was zoomed in at

[burnt atlas]

show me one of the turnaround stations

the full loop at the station that is

[manic mural]

basically same thing at the other side

[burnt atlas]

hover over that area with a signal in hand

[burnt atlas]

thats your problem area

its "one" track

[manic mural]

interesting

[burnt atlas]

your train comes out on the east to west? or from the south when it leaves the station?

[manic mural]

comes out from below there

[burnt atlas]

so right hand drive stations.

gotcha

have a look at that

@manic mural

it signals at the rail with 2 signals on it, is "dual direction

and that top rail is incoming and the south-north is outbound

opps, my bad, wrong signal

thats the right one

there we go.

[manic mural]

Oh interesting

So if I do that I don't need to double up on signals at the intersection?

[burnt atlas]

"it depends"

there is a really good reason for why i do double track

what you are dealing with right now, is the main reason

[manic mural]

Ah

So if I double track, both tracks go both ways or no?

[burnt atlas]

no

if horizontal, one track goes east, one goes west

i will show you either tomorrow or later, i am out for the night :)

[manic mural]

Alright, good night :D

[burnt atlas]

likewise :)

[full wing]

wow

[manic mural]

@burnt atlas Well, when you see this, Good morning! Can you send me the blue belt of blue chips BP again? Thanks.

Also, using these BPs is making me want to make grid base with trains more and more

I need moar main lines of stuff

:D

[manic mural]

side note: kinda made my own thing

will add another line of beacons when I actually get a good amount of speed 3 modules

[manic mural]

AGAGHAGAHGAHGAHGAH

MY COPPER IS DEAD

GREEN CIRCUITS EAT SO MUCH

AND BLUE CHIPS EAT SO MUCH GREEN CIRCUITS

[burnt atlas]

@manic mural i told you so

[manic mural]

:(

@burnt atlas is it a good idea to add another stop to my train line for copper, or just start another copper mine for dem blue chips?

[burnt atlas]

More, more, more!

I will be back home in a bit, then we can talk rail

[manic mural]

And when you're there school will be finished

[burnt atlas]

how are things @manic mural ?

[manic mural]

Haven't touched it yet

Been doing some things, should I use existing rail infrastructure for more copper or new rails? @burnt atlas

[burnt atlas]

i would suggest new rail, because i think what i am going to show you, will make you "see the light"

[manic mural]

Lol

See the rail signals you mean

[burnt atlas]

and the dual track stuff

[manic mural]

Aye

More renovations are in order eh?

Time to remake my entire factorio

[burnt atlas]

nah, just leave what you have and shift to a side and start from there

you have what is considered a bootstrap base

[manic mural]

Huh

[burnt atlas]

i will show you and it will make sense

[manic mural]

Btw what's the best way to easily clean out a forest?

[burnt atlas]

just have to fix a biter problem first

re: forest: poison capsules

[manic mural]

I might've been using nukes and it felt wasteful

There's also 4 black pits made by unknown means next to my red chip production. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[burnt atlas]

heh

i, by way of experience, NEVER have nukes in the ammo slots

[manic mural]

Yea I put rockets back in once I'm done with the nuke

Can't imagine if I accidentally used a nuke on my main storage section lol

[manic mural]

@burnt atlas should I delete this new blue chip section in preparation of a new thingy?

[burnt atlas]

no, not really, because you are going to need "some" blue production

hence the bootstrap comment earlier

[manic mural]

I do have blue production

just really crappy self built one

[burnt atlas]

@manic mural its only with nitro you can stream in the public voice chat right?

[warm belfry]

techies and above can pretty sure

[glad urchin]

Ya techie and above. Nitro can't stream in public voice channels

[burnt atlas]

ah, fair enough :)

[burnt atlas]

:)

its getting there :)

so @manic mural ready for some rail show and tell?

[manic mural]

Sure

Also, I made a new stop for copper on my line

Added another train

And messed with signals to make it work

[burnt atlas]

:)

can you jump on voice or are we going to do it via text?

[manic mural]

Text plz

I have other things I'll be doing so text would be easier to just read over and I don't like vc :p

[burnt atlas]

you got the option to potentially listen?

[manic mural]

Not atm

Eating dinner

[burnt atlas]

darn

at machine or?

[manic mural]

Phone

[burnt atlas]

give a holler when back, because then ill start stream.

[manic mural]

Just a text block with pictures should be enough for an intro

[burnt atlas]

bah! no way

the built in tutorials are your guide then

[manic mural]

:(

Next time I'll be at laptop is in 1-1hr 30min

[burnt atlas]

fair enough

i might also not have biters all over by then

which would be practical

[manic mural]

I forgot to launch rocket

[burnt atlas]

:)

remember to send a fish too

[manic mural]

Yea I already did once before

@burnt atlas anyways found an issue with one of your blueprints, your factory might've had a hiccup, check it.

basically there was an extra red underground belt that was in the wrong direction

so all the red circuit production above that point couldn't go down

taking some anger out on my copper production :D

[burnt atlas]

will look when i am done with this user.

[manic mural]

right I should go back to helping people lol

[surreal basin]

Hows an rx 580 8gb and a ryzen 5 1600 af for a rift s

[halcyon fossil]

decent

[burnt atlas]

@manic mural still alive?

[manic mural]

gotta really get started on hw, so gonna get off factorio for the night

[burnt atlas]

fair enough :)

[manic mural]

btw

[burnt atlas]

well done :)

you sent a fish to space yet?

[manic mural]

in a dif save yea

I have the achievement

[burnt atlas]

kk :)

[hidden current]

what games do you guys want to see on 3000' series benchmarks?

[manic mural]

I want time spy and fire strike, what about you Naed?

Port royal should be good too

[burnt atlas]

you trying to give me a headache or something @manic mural ?

[manic mural]

lol

sorry

[burnt atlas]

:P

no you are not

:P

[manic mural]

:P

[burnt atlas]

it was the red circuit build you said that had a flaw right?

[manic mural]

yea

there's an extra red underground belt

if you leave it running

you'll see where it backs up

[burnt atlas]

ah, that one, that i know about

i just forgot to tell you

sorry about that

[hidden current]

they hundo p gonna do, Shadow of the tomb, odyssey, Microsoft airplane sim.

[manic mural]

lol

[hidden current]

sorry, i'm just so hyped, benchs are the only thing on my brain. Get THEM OUT

[surreal basin]

When is next vr headset supposed to come out from oculus

[halcyon fossil]

16th

*announced

idk when released

[hidden current]

the only one i'm interested in is the next one valve has coming.

[halcyon fossil]

haent heard any rumors about that yet

probably gonna happen tho

index still feels kinda new tho

well, it was 2019 was it

i think a 2-3 year cycle for valve headsets is good

considering they make high end

[raven flame]

I use tts btw

[manic mural]

I play r6 tts btw

[halcyon fossil]

shut up forks

wow ok the tts command didnt work

[bronze glade]

I really want oculus quest but they all are discontinued so hopefully oculus quest 2 will be announced on sept 16

@hidden current got any info about the next valve?

[hidden current]

Nah, just talking shit, but if it comes out, it’ll probably better than the rest.

[brisk prawn]

so if i dont care about this whole facebook bs is oculus the way to go if i dont have 1k?

[halcyon fossil]

wait till sept 16th

they are announcing new headset

id wait for tat

that*

[manic mural]

@burnt atlas here's this
https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=89373

[manic mural]

Lol it was a repeat

Fair enough though, I guess they found it without using exoskeletons

[manic mural]

nice

[manic mural]

@burnt atlas did some experimenting, and made a coal liquidfication thing that fit into the oil production thing you sent me, and seems good enough to me

I'll take another screenshot when I slap it in

done

just need to belt in coal

and it's done

[manic mural]

Anyways if you have that 1 full belt of ore to plates furnace setup plz send, also, how many electric drills does it take for a full belt of ore? and how does that change with speed/productivity stuff?

[burnt atlas]

will grab those when i go ingame a bit later :)

[manic mural]

I also have a train for coal now :D

and once I get that smelting setup, I'm gonna get another copper mine up

[tame cobalt]

I knew Naed was an epic gamer :)

[burnt atlas]

if you mean: likes logic puzzles? then yes

[tame cobalt]

:p

[manic mural]

Factorio is an epic logic puzzle

[manic mural]

Tis back again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500103141900025857/734895808629047406/Call_of_Duty_Modern_Warfare_2019_2020.07.20_-_17.03.30.40.DVR_Trim_Trim.mp4

[full wing]

.

[halcyon fossil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/isi38u/oculus_quest_2/

the event is in 2 days

but this video popped up on the oculus subreddit

and it looks pretty believable

quallcomm xr2 chipset, nearly 2k per eye in resolution

no in depth specs released yet

yeah no ok more specs got leaked

like

official videos and stuff

its higher res than valve index, close to reverb g2

6gb ram

xr2 snapdragon

(about twice the power of current quest)

max 256gb storage

probably minimum 128gb, maybe 64 tho

all that is confirmed stuff from actual facebook videos, except for the price/storage

walmart leaked a 64gb version for $299.99, and a 256gb version for $399.99

[past smelt]

I'm still eying up that HP Reverb G2.

[calm reef]

But what about refresh

[halcyon fossil]

thats what im worried about ghost

they didnt go too in depth in the video on the specs

the most techincal they got was the xr2 chipset

then again, the target demographic for this headset might not be people who know much beyond how high the resolution is, so maybe thats why the video is a bit less descriptive

but for that low of a price... theyve gotta be cutting some corners or something

it HAS to be at LEAST 80

@past smelt

you might wanna reconsider

[past smelt]

We'll see.

Once the dust settles.

[halcyon fossil]

quest 2 tracking is infrared and has better camera placement, more tracking volume, capactive buttons on industry best controllers, and well the obvious parts, its wireless standalone or can go wired

for half the price

i updated the spec sheet if anyones interested

obviously quest 2 specs are subject to change

and i also moved the g2 to the "gen 3 VR" section because its releasing around same time as quest 2

[onyx grove]

no

no

stop

jager

[calm reef]

https://i.imgur.com/ukQ1LmR.png

[warm belfry]

not even gonna include the replay smh my head

[calm reef]

fine smh

[tame cobalt]

S

[warm belfry]

hm it appears you are actually decent at the game unlike me

[calm reef]

i was having a convo with someone during that xD

i got lucky

[halcyon fossil]

also nice fc ghost

[raven flame]

OC? nice

[manic mural]

FC

full clear

[calm reef]

I oc my brain

[manic mural]

yes

ghost oc brain to fc osu maps

big pp plays

[past smelt]

@calm reef
I OC my brain with G-Fuel.

[raven flame]

I bet you just run XMP

[manic mural]

I can't imagine some poor random guy reading "ghost oc brain to fc osu maps for big pp plays"

[glad urchin]

Lmao

[bronze glade]

Anyone excited for Facebook connect tomorrow?

Hopefully they will announce oculus quest 2

[halcyon fossil]

videos already leaked

[past smelt]

Pfft all prerecorded bull.

Just like NVIDIA launch video.

[bronze glade]

Yeah that sucks

Hopefully quest 2 spec will be way better

Longer battery life

[halcyon fossil]

its confirmed up to twice as powerful

also bryce its prerecorded because covid?

[halcyon fossil]

QUEST 2 STILL HAS IPD ADJUSTMENT

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

ITS A LOWER PRICE

IVEST

INVEST

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

im so torn

so incredibly torn

do i sell my rift s?

[past smelt]

@halcyon fossil How much is Quest 2?

Is it cheap?

$299?

Wtahtsbros

90hz?

Preorder?

[halcyon fossil]

yes

preorders are open

oculus.com

go

elite headstrap is $50

elite headstrap with battery and carrying case is $130

base price for the 256gb model is $399.99

besides the fact you have to sell your soul to facebook

but whatever

[thorny vapor]

is rocket league free now?

[outer sigil]

No I don’t think so

[calm reef]

What is the refresh

and is the oculus link good or a compressed mess

[halcyon fossil]

90hz

oculus link is fine i guess

i listed my headset on ebay

everyones listing theirs for $300 too