storage-devices

[gloomy ferry]

Unfortunately

[red jay]

lol

For booting their suuuuuuuuuppppppppeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrr slow

[gloomy ferry]

I just mean... For a personal drive, 7200rpm, always

[red jay]

Yes

[gloomy ferry]

Can they go any faster yet?

[red jay]

7200 RPM is all you need any faster you get an SSD

[gloomy ferry]

Ok but like... Hdds are still permanent and ssds aren't

[red jay]

Why do you think that an HDD can't be good unless it's 7200 rpm? What about 10k or 15k rpm sas disks? What if the 5400 rpm drive has a modern, high end controller, a large 256MB cache, and high density platters?

[gloomy ferry]

Gotta go fast idk

Last I checked cache doesn't make a massive difference

[red jay]

I miss my velociraptors

[echo sundial]

Hello everyone. Please, i need help with my new build. Recently finished buld new pc, i was womdering if my old hdd data will might get erased if connect to new pc. Can anyone help me with that pls?
I only have one monitor. Thank you in advance.

[dull vigil]

as long as you put everything on that hdd you should be fine

i believe anyways

[stiff spindle]

@echo sundial Your data will be fine as long as you don't re format it or try to install Windows on same partition as your data.

Can someone please help me find a decent internal card reader? Everything I've looked at so far seems like junk from what reviews are saying. I prefer one that fits in 5.25 inches bay and has USB 3.0 for reading and writing to cards.

[graceful smelt]

thoughts on PNY CS3030 1tb nvme? coz where im at, it is of the same price with the crucial P1 1tb nvme

[steep crag]

ST8000NM0045 or ST8000DM0004 better for storage and gaming on it

[midnight hemlock]

What's the actual names of the hard drives?

[steep crag]

Seagate BarraCuda Pro ST8000DM0004 8TB 7200 RPM 256MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive Bare Drive and Seagate Exos 7E8 8TB 7200RPM 4Kn SATA 6Gb/s 256MB Cache 3.5-Inch Enterprise Hard Drive (ST8000NM0045)

[midnight hemlock]

Ok, they're about the same tbh, both have similar specs, personally I've never had a issue with a barracuda but I think I once 10 years ago had gotten a bad Seagate hdd

Err, exos

Exos are meant for servers though and usually last a bit longer, but barracudas are a general hard drive and may have more platters, just flip a coin imho

Or pick the cheaper one

[steep crag]

would a 512e drive be better or a 4kn drive

[midnight hemlock]

Maybe

It's 1/8 of the minimum vs the 4kn

Aka minimum acollidation size is 512 bytes vs 4 kilobytes

[steep crag]

what will help me better on a gaming computer

[midnight hemlock]

Well how new because 512e technically splits it into 8 sectors

And really in all honesty, it probably won't be a huge difference

So 512e but really doesn't matter

I'd still set it for 4096 bytes acollidation

[uncut temple]

So I’m considering an external hard drive for my gaming laptop, I will be gaming, and also doing graphic design work from it. Any suggestions?

[midnight hemlock]

https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1764363-clarification-between-512e-vs-4kn-vs-512n-hard-drives

Max price and does your laptop have a thunderbolt 3 port not for charging?

[uncut temple]

How do I know if it’s not for charging?

[red jay]

hello, how do I transfer all my files into a hard drive and then onto a new PC?

do i just back it up into the hard drive or have to manually drag and drop it in?

[visual gull]

samsung qvo is supposed to be an upgrade over evo model right?

[unborn plover]

no

QVO is the cheaper model

[crisp belfry]

Any good deals on a storage drive? My 2 TB isn't cutting it anymore.

[undone dune]

HDD? @crisp belfry or sata ssd or m.2 sata or m.2 nvme

[crisp belfry]

Hdd

[lean vector]

heya, I am looking for a bigger nvme Drive that is on amazon, any suggestiounes? my budget is in the $40-$120 range

I have a 256

there are a bunch around the $100 $110 price points

I could spend a little bit more as well

[frigid monolith]

https://www.newegg.com/samsung-970-evo-500gb/p/N82E16820147690 https://www.newegg.com/plextor-m9pe-512gb/p/N82E16820249110 or https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-sn500-nvme-500gb/p/N82E16820250116 would be your best bet

[red jay]

$100 SX8100 is nice - I'd go for a $112 used 970 pro 512 for boot personally, I know 1TB 970 evos are on sale for 150, depends on your price / preference

[frigid monolith]

But a new 970 Evo is 80$

The Plextor M9Pe is also pretty good and has an included heatsink on it

and WD has always been a great brand

[lean vector]

It does look nice

how much is a Tb one?

and do Tb ones suffer a performance hit?

https://www.newegg.com/intel-660p-series-1tb/p/N82E16820167462?Description=Tb nvme drive&cm_re=Tb_nvme_drive-_-20-167-462-_-Product

found that

but read write is worse

significantly

https://www.newegg.com/samsung-970-evo-1tb/p/N82E16820147691?Description=Tb nvme drive&cm_re=Tb_nvme_drive-_-20-147-691-_-Product

[frigid monolith]

Plextor M9Pe 1tb is more but for my personally id stick with 512

[lean vector]

I mean realisticly I only have a few things I use regularly enough to need the speed

cally

\

I could just get another 256

I put a linux install on my current M.2

[visual gull]

yeah got mycelf new 500gb 970 evo for 80$. I think micro center has some sort of a bundle deal that makes it 70$ too

[stiff spindle]

Anyone know if XPG NVMe drives by Adata are any good? I'm debating between that or Corsair Force MP510

I really like the look of the heatsink on the XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro

[undone dune]

@stiff spindle XPG SX8100 here, it's working so far as a game drive. I have the MP510 also for an OS drive and had zero problems with it for over a year.

[stiff spindle]

@undone dune Sounds like they are both great drives. I actually have 2 builds that need one. Maybe I'll get one of each. Thank you.

[stiff spindle]

I do really like Adata usb flash drives. Bought 10 of them over the past year and only one dud so far. Good no hassle rma and support too in my experience.

[north delta]

Hey everyone...stupid question but I just need to confirm - a PCIe M.2 drive won't fit in a spot where I have a SATA M.2 drive right?

[crisp belfry]

you mean an nvme m.2 drive, not pcie?

as far as I understand, m.2 is a form factor, any m.2 drive will fit in an m.2 slot

but I only know of sata m.2 and nvme m.2 drives

pretty sure PCIe is another form factor from m.2

[undone dune]

sata or pcie doesnt matter for m.2, the only difference is speed/performance, sata being the slower of the two. take note of what your motherboard can actually do so you can buy appropriate storage. also if the mother board will accept b, m or b+m key'd m.2 @north delta

[red jay]

Forgot who sent me this but https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0

https://puu.sh/EJNON/b472c25922.png

[unborn plover]

whats a good Hard drive benchmark tool thats free?
and a good cloning tool for a boot drive to a ssd

[red jay]

Somebody link me to a good 1tb m.2 ssd

Something not to expensive tho

[undone dune]

https://www.newegg.com/intel-660p-series-1tb/p/N82E16820167462?Description=660p&cm_re=660p-_-20-167-462-_-Product

[zinc rain]

hello guys , is this ssd https://www.newegg.com/intel-660p-series-1tb/p/N82E16820167462?Description=m2 ssd drive&cm_re=m2_ssd_drive-_-20-167-462-_-Product

compatible with my motherboard msi b350 tomahawk ?

[long loom]

does your motherboard have m.2 slots?

[zinc rain]

yes

but i dont see this ssd at this list https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK#support-hdd

thats why im asking

[long loom]

Hm

Well if the compatibility list for ssds is like ram

it'll work

but

not as good as ones on that list

[zinc rain]

okay thank you

gonna buy it

good price

[dreamy granite]

Hello i have a Z370 Gaming plus mother board and i want to add an SSD, does any one know which ones are compatible with that mother board cuz i am confused...

[flint portal]

HELP: I need to save several hour long training videos and cannot decide which portable external hard drive to get. Anyone have any ideas as to how big, etc that i will need?

[red jay]

Samsung T5

[fluid tiger]

so when i got my computer, i never got the m.2 drive screws. So the moral of the story is, if i were to order some, are they universal?

neither the standoff or the screw

[long loom]

uh

don't the screws usually come with the drive

[fluid tiger]

idk, i haven't gotten the drive yet.

it's a wd Black drive

[long loom]

idk my samsung one had the little screw with it

I use that one

[fluid tiger]

alright, i'll not worry about it till then.

[undone dune]

The motherboard has the screws and standoff for m.2

[paper notch]

I don't know much about nvme's, but I see teamgroup has a 512 for $60. Anyone know much about them and their ssds? Memory seems good.

[undone dune]

link? @paper notch

[paper notch]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-MP34-512GB-Solid-TM8FP4512G0C101/dp/B07PHMJR4Y?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1

sorry bout that

[spiral solar]

@paper notch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NRMXWHW?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

This is what I use on most builds

[paper notch]

that's like super slower isn't?

[spiral solar]

I thought you wanted bang for buck sorry @paper notch

[paper notch]

oh no I appreciate it. my op asked about nvme's and how I'm not really familiar with them. Just wondering if the team brand is a good brand to count on in regards to storage. I'd imagine you feel it does, so that's helpful

[visual gull]

I think you can find much more brandy sticks for that price as of now

I got 500gb samsung 970 evo for ~80$ couple of days ago

[undone dune]

thats expensive for a 512gb @paper notch

[paper notch]

$60 for nvme?

[undone dune]

for that size yeah

[visual gull]

nah thats about average for generic brand I think

[paper notch]

but the evo goes for 80

[visual gull]

can't really find any stats on amazon for that stick tho

[paper notch]

someone left a comment with their speeds

[undone dune]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14331/the-team-group-mp34-512gb-ssd-review/10

[visual gull]

but you can get crucial with good speed for 50$ on amazon

[paper notch]

the crucial in that link is selling for 70. Do you have a link to one at 50 with the same speeds? I'm gonna try to search for it

[visual gull]

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-500GB-NAND-NVMe-PCIe/dp/B07J2WBKXF/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=m2%2Bnvme%2B500gb&qid=1575188282&s=electronics&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sr=1-4&th=1

this one is 50

but maybe you have to be prime member to get sale or smth

[paper notch]

i wonder if they have any benchmarks on these things or if they only test certain brands

[crisp belfry]

That crucial drive is also slower, at least as advertised

I don't think $60 is overpriced for a 500 gig nvme

[deep wagon]

yea its only 2k read 1.5k write

u generally want 3500mb

@visual gull its only 2k right

[dreamy granite]

i just brought an ssd for my pc does any one know how to like copy my hdd to the ssd or something because when i plug it in my pc doesnt start

[undone dune]

what ssd did you buy

@dreamy granite

[visual gull]

Teamgroup drive speeds are shown for 1tb version

500gb will usually be slower thab 1tb

[frigid monolith]

All drives with less capacity will always be slower

[gloomy ferry]

For ssds

Opposite for hdds

[frigid monolith]

hard drives are slow in general so of course it would be for SSD's

[dusky raven]

What SSD can go on this MB ( ASUS AMD AM4 ROG X570 Crosshair VIII Hero (Wi-Fi) ATX Motherboard with PCIe 4.0, Dual M.2, SATA 6Gb/s, USB3.2 Gen 2, 2.5Gbps LAN, WiFi 6 ) Would like one for my Windows to be on. Thanks

[lean vector]

Hey so uh...I may have dropped my HDD

Anyone know freeware for analyzing the hardware for faults?

Windows keeps doing disk repair

I think much bad

[red jay]

Shutdown and remove the disk immediately, start here https://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/

[lean vector]

Ok

I'm gonna assume I can run that in a live Linux environment?

And not immediately remove the disk???

Although I did already XD

Afterthoughts

Cool so as far as I can tell from that link, if I install the drivers for NTFS I should be able to use that

Gonna try and find my live usb

[lean vector]

Ok so

[frigid monolith]

[lean vector]

Do I need a dock or something for the 3TB?

[frigid monolith]

if using externally then yes

[lean vector]

Buttt

I want to use it internally

[red jay]

What about the 3tb?

[frigid monolith]

ok so buy some more sata cables then to use it internally

[lean vector]

Such confused

I have data cables

Oof

Sata

Do I need special ones?

[frigid monolith]

the one on the left looks like IDE

[red jay]

The one on the left looks like an SAS drive. No idea how you see IDE.

[frigid monolith]

never used SAS so i just assumed from a quick look

[lean vector]

So um

Could I just file out the plastic

[red jay]

To be 100% certain, wanna send a pic of the front of each drive?

[lean vector]

Yeah

[frigid monolith]

you mean the labels right

[red jay]

I can tell from the connector, but yes.

[long loom]

sas

[lean vector]

Oof that angle

[heady raven]

@lean vector "Could I just file out the plastic" no.

[red jay]

2nd time today - please be careful giving people advice on stuff like this. Could've bricked the drive

[lean vector]

Sadness

So I need a SAS connector?

[red jay]

SAS HBA's can usually read sata drives, they can even read sata drives on the same sf 8077 lane / breakout mixed with SAS - but you almost never want to do that.

[lean vector]

Adapter?

[red jay]

@lean vector To read/write to that drive, yes, you'll need some kind of SAS HBA

may I ask how you acquired it?

[long loom]

Raw skill

[lean vector]

The internet. Lol. Being a dumb.

[heady raven]

Out of curiosity: How come you are in possession of a SAS drive (you are reguluar consumer, based on your questions. You would normally NOT be remotely close to a SAS drive)

[red jay]

Well, if it's a $20 or so drive with none of your data on it - my guess is that it's worth about $10

($10 to you, your time, effort in sellig, listing, all that )

I'd hang it from a wall or use it as a coaster, it's a nice relic.

[lean vector]

Lol ok

[red jay]

If you do want to use the thing, I bet you could find an adapter for $10-$30 online.

I use 20 of these drives in a 4u server, so my setup is a bit different, cheap, but silly to buy for a single drive

[lean vector]

Gotcha

[heady raven]

because that ES.3 is from .. 2012-ish

[lean vector]

I was not paying attention and am noob

[red jay]

Nope. Bought 20 x 2TB HP enterprise SAS FBUCL drives off ebay for 425 I think in 2017

[heady raven]

his could potentially be a used drive

[red jay]

@lean vector not at all man - the first time I learned about any of this stuff was in 2017 building out burstcoin plotters and unraid/freenas servers.

[lean vector]

I should see if they properly erased it at the least

[red jay]

I'm almost positive his is used

[heady raven]

the question is how used.

[red jay]

True, my value estimation was just a guess - but unless we're talking about trying to go through the previous owner's data (trust me, people who bulk sell ebay sas drives are well versed in how to wipe said drive with just a few bash commands/tools, not hard to deter 99.999999% of prospective thieves.

[heady raven]

the last word is the "warning"

mind, i am taking the pessimistic stance here.

[red jay]

Oh, and by all means if you don't want to keep it, nothing wrong with listing for sale. I just figured it'd be a cool memento / coaster

[lean vector]

That's where it came from

I'll probably keep it lol

[sweet badge]

use it as a doorstop 🤔

[lean vector]

I have a drawer of cool relics

[frigid monolith]

Just a rough idea how much the adapter would cost https://www.newegg.ca/p/238-008W-00004

[red jay]

Or, tbh maybe I was too pessimistic - go deal hunting for a dell H310 PERC HBA SAS pcie 4x aic card and 1->4 drive sf8077 breakout cable and separate power source, and you could very well use it

Really man?

Wrong again

[sweet badge]

that’s cad tho

[red jay]

it even says what that's for right in the overview

[frigid monolith]

change it to .com then

[heady raven]

change it to facts instead of fiction instead?

[red jay]

So - what that adapter would be for is if your HBA could do sas and sata

[lean vector]

Lol...I mean I live in Canada sometimes ;)

[red jay]

So in the miraculous chance you happen to have oh, say an LSI 9300 or something laying around, then sorry, I was wrong

[small steppe]

Naed#3611 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[heady raven]

oops.

[red jay]

But just for curiosity sake, I'll find an adapter that will actually work, just to see what the price would be.

[lean vector]

Adding to the relics of the modern era

That is a very dark photo

[frigid monolith]

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100166276 600020300&Order=PRICE This would help

[red jay]

(You'll also end up with a mix of scsi, ahci, who knows what windows autoinstall chooses to load up in there) drivers for this, so , really I think it comes down to whether or not you want to invest a bit of money, a decent amount of time, and hopefully no unexpected data loss /diver corruption along the way

[red jay]

But it's fun stuff, I love it, don't let me discourage you

[heady raven]

but dont mentally skip over the time investment bit that he mentions.

[lean vector]

I mean for tonight... I'm probs gonna just format my 256 m.2

[frigid monolith]

I think i have an older floppy disk to add in your collection 😛

[lean vector]

And install Windows and steam and destiny 2

Lol

[long loom]

destiny 2 gang

[lean vector]

I'm not on the level of competency to get D2 running in the Linux install I have on the m.2 rn, unless someone has a guide? I've tried to use wine before, but never with much success

I do want to move away from windows eventually

[long loom]

nah I'm too stupid to use anything but windows

[frigid monolith]

for gaming Linux is pretty good

Well ever since they have steam with photon

not to mention Destiny 2 with Vulkan lol

[long loom]

wouldn't that mean amd performs better

if it's vulkan or whatever

[frigid monolith]

Well i think Linux doesn't have DX 12 that is why it is using Vulkan instead

[long loom]

ok

[lean vector]

Hmmmm did Linus make a destiny specific Linux guide?

Or anyone at LTT

[long loom]

no

[lean vector]

Hmmm. I might as well try to see If I can do the thing before I just formatify

Wish me luck

Ohhh wait

I already formatted earlier

Nvm

Sadness

[frigid monolith]

ok nvm turns out Bungie bans people for playing Destiny 2 on Linux

[lean vector]

Ohhh

Ok

That's nice

[frigid monolith]

which means the only way to play is windows

[lean vector]

:'(

[heady raven]

@frigid monolith facts over fiction. it is not photon. it is Proton

[lean vector]

It's fine. I hope windows gets a significant redesign for RISC

[frigid monolith]

no idea what that guy said

[lean vector]

Lol are you standing firm that it's photon?

[heady raven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_(compatibility_layer)

[lean vector]

^^

96.7% collectively agreed upon reality

Assuming I'm not a coma patient imagining all of y'all and the subjective experience I am currently experiencing.

[heady raven]

@frigid monolith "which means the only way to play is windows" factually false.

[lean vector]

Lul

[heady raven]

Orbis OS, the OS that the playstation 4 uses would like a word.

in case you dont know, that is FreeBSD based.

[lean vector]

So would they ban you for Kernel assisted emulation? Are there any examples of this ban being enforced?

[heady raven]

dont know, not a destiny 2 player :)

google is your friend on that one

[lean vector]

Fair

[red jay]

Pretty easy to detect any kind of hypervisor I'd guess

[heady raven]

hm, side note: Who actually has the actual rights for Destiny 2 now, after the Bungie activision split

[fleet rose]

Any of you used rufus to load freedos to a usb?

[red jay]

Is a 256gb ssd better than a 1tb hhd?

[frigid monolith]

yes

[sour tree]

in what way? speed: ssd. storage space: hdd

[flint oak]

Depends on use case. They both have obvious advantages in different ways.

[zinc canyon]

I would probably get both, ssd for games and windows, hdd for files.

[sweet badge]

SSD’s are much faster, but more expensive

[red jay]

No because I saw a laptop which I think had ryzen 5 and a 256gb ssd for the same price as my current pc

I got
1tb HDD
4gb Ram but basically the one I saw has somewhat better specs

[sick dove]

A laptop with 256gb SSD? Does it have an HDD? Because if not you shouldn't get it, you'll run out of that in no time.

[red jay]

Nope

Just ssd

Thought so

That can run out quickly

[terse drum]

you really shouldnt use a hdd in a laptop tbh

[leaden monolith]

when you have 2 tb of stoarage 1tb of ssd, 1 tb of hdd

and still run out!'

[red jay]

bro i'm running kinda short on HDD storage rn, since it's a 1 TB and I got 200gb left. I use it primarily for photo editing but sometimes gaming so yeah

Upgrading to a 2 TB Seagate Barracuda is gonna be a good investment, it's coming in the mail

ofc gonna keep my WD Green in here, since it'll be nice to have that little extra 1 TB of storage (although its a super crappy hdd)

[leaden monolith]

nice

me i have 960 evo, and some off brand prebuild idont know what it is HDD

[red jay]

Run a userbenchmark test on it

It'll tell you all of your specs, as well as how well they perform compared to other products/the same product from other users around the world

[open gazelle]

UB isnt that great tbh

it tells you the absolute basics and gives a very rough estimate for perf

[red jay]

Valid point but it's a nice open-platform comparison. I haven't found anything as utilizable as it is

[frigid monolith]

for?

[red jay]

Yeah my homework folder is quite big

69gb

[torpid adder]

ah I see you do your homework

[red jay]

never ran a m.2 ssd, my next build is going to be running dual m.2 ssds and a 4tb SATA hdd but I was wondering if you need specific m.2 fittings for certain motherboards or if they generally fit into a normal m.2 slot?

[outer bane]

they should all fit in the same slots although there are some caveats like gen 3 vs gen 4(only AMD for now) and some share bandwidth with other components on the motherboard

[plucky trout]

Is it worth me dropping some money for an nvme when I already have an 860 evo?

[red jay]

I would consider it on your next windows install. Great guide.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/1950-clean-install-windows-10-a.html

[dark burrow]

Just wondering, but does anyone have SAS drives in their gaming rig?

[red jay]

Thank you @outer bane

[fresh moon]

hello everyone

[outer bane]

hello

[fresh moon]

is there someone here who can answer a question about SSDs for a Thinkpad 595?

[latent smelt]

ask away

[fresh moon]

2 questions actually... first, will a 2280 go into that, or as Lenovo seems to suggest on its site, a 2242 only? Secondly, will either SATA or PCIe interface work?

[outer bane]

nvme interface

2242 refers to the size or length

[fresh moon]

yes, I've seen vids that indicate either length is OK, but in forum, one person said Lenovo itself said 2242

[outer bane]

22mm wide (they all are) 42mm long (thats a short one)

[fresh moon]

oh, is that what thosenumbers me, good to know

[outer bane]

https://www.newegg.com/p/0D9-007J-00043?Description=2242 nvme&cm_re=2242_nvme-_-9SIA352A226254-_-Product

so something like this would work they come in many capacities though that one is just 128gb

but its a good price

and you can just search "2242 nvme" to find one to buy

[fresh moon]

will cost a bit more up here in Canada lol

[red jay]

Best way for you to show us your current config with confidence is either run a userbenchmark, post the link, or if you have them, post components/model number

[fresh moon]

and you're certain that the Thinkpad 595 will take a NVMe device?

[outer bane]

yes

[fresh moon]

well, this is for a friend, actually, total novice really, plus he's on the other end of the country

[outer bane]

I looked on their product page to confirm first

[fresh moon]

if you mean the Lenovo site, I was on that page for an hour and couldn't find anything that helped me at all

[red jay]

It does. In which case, pretty much any normal, m.2 2280 NVME , good ot go

[fresh moon]

right, that is all I need to know, TYVM both of you

[outer bane]

the lenovo forum said something about only being space for the short one so I cant confirm a normal one would work I dont have a thinkpad

[fresh moon]

well, the vids I've seen show a silly metal bracket holding down what looks like a 2242..

[outer bane]

to go longer there would be more screw hole spaces to go back further

[fresh moon]

and the screw holding down that bracket is suspiciously like it's about where the screw would go for a 2280 lol

[outer bane]

always only one screw but there may be more holes for it

[fresh moon]

just one hole that I could see in the vid, plus that silly little bracket

[outer bane]

like that see how there are more spots and it is covering up the short spot hole

that one is 80mm long

[fresh moon]

buddy refuses to open the case until he has the SSD in his hand ready to install

[outer bane]

short one it is

[fresh moon]

if that is 80 long, then that is a 2280, yes?

[outer bane]

you got it

22110 is the longest one

[fresh moon]

oh, one other question, if he wants to spend less and get a SATA interface, will he be able to boot off it?

[red jay]

Not worth it.

[fresh moon]

ok, I will let him know... and pressure him into doing the right thing here lol

[keen urchin]

dont get sata m.2, its kinda dumb

[fresh moon]

thx again, you guys are a total goldmine of info

Zack, that's what I was thinking, but buddy seems to be fixated on cost more than performance

[outer bane]

no problem and yeah I cant confirm if it even has a sata. The drive in there is a sata m.2 already... so that wouldnt really be an upgrade unless just adding more space

[keen urchin]

only reason id get sata m.2 is if its really cheap, then it saves a lot of space and cables

[fresh moon]

he got the system with a coupon, it came with a HDD in it... would have cost way too much to have a SSD instead

so he's buying a SSD 3rd-party to install himself

[outer bane]

that makes sense

[red jay]

If you want cheap - used/ebay or hunt for sales. Even then, sata B + M key m.2 22.80 drives are a much smaller market share vs NVME m.2 - nearly every desktop made now boots from one

[fresh moon]

if he ever gets computer stuff off ebay I will personally drive the 3000 miles to Halifax and shoot him

[outer bane]

lol

[heady raven]

@red jay to add to that recommendation, try and aim for the server models if possible. Their endurance is stupidly high generally. Meaning, less likely you will be buying a drive that has been tortured for years (edited, spelling)

[red jay]

Sometimes the OEM samsungs like pm961, etc will go cheap because more people search "8xx evo" etc. Most other server stuff stays a bit pricey, I've wanted a p4800x for some time now.

[heady raven]

as in, the likely hood of actual server parts ending up there is very small, so the server parts you do find there are generally there because someone bought something they didnt understand or similar circumstance.

[red jay]

On ebay?

[heady raven]

aye

generally that is.

[red jay]

Oh, ebay is a great place to buy used sever hardware.

[heady raven]

i dont interact all that much with ebay as a buyer. I only look there. We have our own sites that are similar here locally

so, it makes no sense for me to use ebay for that :)

so my statements are based on what i have observed there. That is all :)

i hope that makes it clearer?

[red jay]

It's almost entirely from volume seller stores. Ah, ya I think we have it easy in the US, and server hardware depreciates really fast sometimes, especially if it's power hungry, fun to play with old stuff

Haha ya, no worries

[plain vector]

I'll post a pic tomorrow but I have a original 2gb ssd that literally plugs into a floppy drive port mind u it's from a ddr bound pc and it's using flash but it's a interesting piece of hardware that people haven't heard of

[red jay]

ZIP? or IOMEGA JAZ?

[plain vector]

Here is the one I have

Apacer 2 gb 42 pin ssd ide

Well myne is kinda a different style varient the pin connector is at the bottom and it looks like a female floppy drive cable port

[heady raven]

@plain vector i have worked with units like that :)

(sometimes not being a spring chicken pays off)

[urban gate]

Hi, please which other hp spare battery model should I use in place of my HP Pavilion 15-n003eia? I need a 19.5Vdc that would work correctly for my laptop.... Kindly advise me please

[heady raven]

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware-and-Upgrade-Questions/Hi-please-my-laptop-model-is-HP-Pavilion-15-n003eia-Part-is/td-p/7323437 <- @urban gate , as the HP rep says, have a look in your local region on their site.

[latent smelt]

https://www.newegg.com/p/16J-006B-0XB04

[heady raven]

@latent smelt do they ship to Nigeria?

because that is where @urban gate is located (based on the HP community post)

[latent smelt]

https://kb.newegg.com/knowledge-base/international-shipping/

[urban gate]

https://www.newegg.com/p/16J-006B-0XB04 ....I have checked this site its exactly my laptop model, but the Volt doesn't match. Mine is 19.5V and the one on sale is 14.8V.

Will 14.8V battery work for my 19.5V correctly?

[urban gate]

Please will 14.8V battery work for my 19.5V hp battery correctly?

[keen swan]

how resistant are hard drives to shock when unpowered?

a drop from like 6 inches shouldn't do anything, right? Feel like they have to endure worse during shipping.

[latent smelt]

difference of being dropped from a protected box, versus the actually disk

the box and padding absorb most of the shock, while the hard drive if dropped, takes the full force.

[snow mason]

give it a test and see you dont know until you try

[keen swan]

mine was not protected, just an antistatic bag

slid down a bag onto a hard surface

will probably be fine

r-right?

[latent smelt]

would have to plugg it in and see.

if it spins up, and you don't hear any terrible noise, safe bet you're ok.

[ember ruin]

It is worth getting a 10tb HDd over an ssd? I have ALOT of games.

[lean cliff]

No way you actually regularly play 10TB of games

Come on now

[ember ruin]

Wellll

[lean cliff]

With the lower prices of storage now you’d be a fool to run a hdd

You should be running a m.2 ffs

Under $100 for 1TB right now

[ember ruin]

I have an nvme ssd but it’s really small

[thorny pawn]

I need to buy a HDD 1T which one should I buy

[red jay]

what's your budget?

Seagate is a really good company, so I recommend the 1tb Barracuda. Or if you're feeling like burning another 30 bucks for way higher speeds, get the Firecuda.

[thorny pawn]

50?

im going to buy this

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LNJBA2I?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

is this fine

[outer bane]

@thorny pawn why not this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZL5NDKX/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B07ZL5NDKX&pd_rd_w=qRJZF&pf_rd_p=45a72588-80f7-4414-9851-786f6c16d42b&pd_rd_wg=hTflD&pf_rd_r=5S0C8JSP5WYTZ0JYP8R7&pd_rd_r=77c678fb-71a6-4190-bc60-6d02847a6c86&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExWkZTOEVWTDBQQzQmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA0MzExOTUyMVRNVEtCUDA0ODkxJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1NTMwOTU5RDFPMVBaNlJWQjYmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWwmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

[thorny pawn]

my is internal

and i think its a ssd

[heady raven]

@thorny pawn it is not a ssd. it is a sshd

https://www.ebuyer.com/blog/2015/07/sshd-guide-to-hybrid-drives/ <- have a read here

[open gazelle]

SSHD doesnt do much tbh. Just get an SSD and HDD separately, it is so much better

[frigid monolith]

They're actually good i used one for about 5 years before when SSD's were still costing an arm

Hybrid drives are good on desktops really (and i mean the 3.5" models) which will still boot up windows faster than a normal hard drive and still load up games pretty well

[heady raven]

@open gazelle for the average consumer. They are a good upgrade over a standard HDD.

aside from cost, there is no downside to a well implemented SSHD.

[red jay]

SSHDs have historically been hit or miss on reliability. That alone is enough spend your time considering othre, nearly as price/performance competitive storage options.

[heady raven]

UCA / the "historic" part of that reliability concern is lost in the memory of the common/average user and their general understanding of how statistics actually work.

[red jay]

It's hard enough to help the average user ensure they're using an optimal AHCI/SATA/NVME/RAID/RST driver, ensuring proper initialization and install as a GPT/UEFI boot volume etc, it's just not my go-to.

You're fine, ecks and I often have conflicting views on this lol

[frigid monolith]

Well this is my hybrid drive right now that is being in use lol https://i.gyazo.com/b95ec0f2e970658cb93e8955300a1810.png

[red jay]

search chat for n=1

[heady raven]

In the following situation: A user wants a 1tb drive. They dont have the funds for a 1tb ssd. so they are looking at hdd/sshd options. IF they have the money for the SSHD. That imo is the device they are best served by.

[red jay]

You can't write this stuff lol. Wish I could pin that

[heady raven]

all other factors being equal.

[frigid monolith]

But @red jay you can pin things

[red jay]

I'd also happily search around reviews/newegg for them for a good sshd option, but based on their use cse, I'd likely tell them to get a ssd boot if not already using one,

For the case of a user's storage volume - I'ld point them towards a WD red or Seagate ironwolf probably.

I was mostly kidding, point is, that's nothing nice to say not the performance you should expect from a hybrid drive over any equivalent price HDD. Maybe it's model specific, could be your drivers, settings, single thread cpu speed, hard to say.

[open gazelle]

@heady raven Ive also had an SSHD, it was quite slow. Also a 128gb SSD is like $18 - $20. 1TB HDD + 128GB SSD is going to be a better experience

[frigid monolith]

quite slow is not slow

[open gazelle]

And from what im aware, using an SSD like cache like SSHDs do apparently isnt super great for the SSD cache. This is coming from someone who has a bit more knowledge than I do on the LTT server

To which is someone I can trust for random tech knowledge

[red jay]

https://www.servethehome.com/what-is-the-zfs-zil-slog-and-what-makes-a-good-one/

ZFS isn't ideal, or preferred by everyone, but it's the choice of many much like preferences for OS or flavors of linux.

Oh, forgot - I mention ZFS because it's a good example of a reliable, scalable, performance oriented file system and storage solution implementation that often uses a write cache.

[nova iron]

Hot take: SSD's are so expensive, you ought to get a 120 gig crucial drive just to use as a boot drive, and just get a 2 tera seagate drive for sixty bucks

Thoughts?

[open gazelle]

120gb bootdrive isnt fun. Go for 240/480gb. That being like $30/$55 respectively

[nova iron]

sounds ideal

[warm abyss]

I mean if you get a 240/480Gb boot drive then thats more of storage in general than boot

mian 480

[nova iron]

my laptop has a 256 gig ssd

it's a great boot drive

[frigid monolith]

240gb is like the bare minimum now

[nova iron]

yeah

how much space does windows 10 home take up

[frigid monolith]

about 20 to 30gb

[red jay]

So, first question, budget? then use case, do you mind waiting on things like updates, installs, loading, and data reliability?

[minor sun]

Is the MP510 any good?

[dry root]

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Drive-3-5-Inch/dp/B07H2RR55Q look at that $10 more

oh i was scrolled up

we shouldn't post amazon links here anyway, but that's where i found myself linked to

i'm a fan of NVMe drives if you've got the cash and the proper motherboard mount for it

unless you're doing really large file transfers it's not going to be different from a SATA SSD however

i'm gonna get a 2TB SATA SSD to replace my 3TB HDD

i'll lose 1TB, but i'll gain speed and noise reduction

why not nVME? i lost the screw for it on my motherboard

😄

[nimble delta]

Anyone seen any good ssd deals lately? I’ll probably pick on up after my next paycheck since I’m running low on storage (thanks MW)

[swift kindle]

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/17387898405095164039 ($20 off with " DECSAVE19" for 1st time users)

[stiff spindle]

Anyone know which is better performance wise, WD Gold or WD Black hdd's?

[swift kindle]

neither, at least for high capacity hard drives bc SSDs are superior

[latent smelt]

that's not what they asked though.

between the two, which better performs.

[swift kindle]

geez well i mean

see which one checks all your boxes bud

[dry root]

there's also that black isn't as robust as gold, and gold is built for enterprise, so if you have the money it's worth ditching the 18MB/sec of speed probably and going with the enterprise grade disk, and keeping it through generations of PCs probably

hmm, nevermind

they both have a 5 year warranty

that means they're both expected to last a little bit beyond that 😄

[outer bane]

I've never seen a purple but I guess since its for surveillance I wouldnt have

[latent smelt]

yeah

[dry root]

purple are really good disks for high I/O situations

why they're marketed for surveillance

if you're doing high I/O then you can benefit from them

most people i know buy greens or reds

some buy the faster gold disks

oh wait, green has been phased out

[outer bane]

my 4tb's are all blue cause I'm cheap lol

[latent smelt]

CHEAPO ALERT

[orchid blaze]

[outer bane]

Thats my deep storage for all my "perfectly legal" movie files 😉

[orchid blaze]

heh heh heh

stupid moniter keeps blacking out

[latent smelt]

check the cables?

make sure they seated all the way

[outer bane]

its always the cable for me

[orchid blaze]

they are

[latent smelt]

yeah especially DP, a lot of times I didn't get it in all the way

[outer bane]

try a different cable would be my advice

[latent smelt]

and Im like wtf is going on.,

ITS IN

oh wait, no its not.

[orchid blaze]

its just a crappy $80 onn one from walmart

ok new topic. does anyone else have trouble with WD My Cloud products?

[outer bane]

you mean like removing them from your pc LOL

[orchid blaze]

i have 2 4tb nas devices and i can never get them to work

[outer bane]

can you just not access it?

[orchid blaze]

yea

[outer bane]

there is probably a reset button on it somewhere I would hit that first

Then you may need to assign an ip address to it through your routers software

also have you tried a direct wired connection to it?

[orchid blaze]

what do you mean

[latent smelt]

You do know what NAS is for right?

[orchid blaze]

mass storage over internet

[dry root]

NAS is a type of small computer that holds multiple hard disks and is attached to your local network

network attached storage

you can control what RAID mode you're using by your computer

but it usually looks like one big hard disk

[errant lark]

Hey I just got a 2nd 512GB ssd is there any benefit to running ssd's outside of raid 0 ?

[outer bane]

not really benefits but their are reasons not to raid like doubling your space

especially if those happen to be 2 nvme m.2 ssds that are already so fast there isnt much benefit for the average user to raid them

@errant lark but thats just my opinion

For instance I have 2 970 pro 1tb's in my pc but I dont raid them since they already read at 3400MB/s and while I would be closer to 6000MB in raid its not neccessary

[errant lark]

That's what I was kinda leaning towards a few other artiles said the same and you. All I needed was some clarification thank you!!

[outer bane]

no problem

I feel like for most users you are asking yourself do i want windows to boot in 3 seconds with half the space or 5 secs with more space

[errant lark]

Exactly Im not tryin to waste that space lol

[eager skiff]

anyone know what I should be looking for if I wanna build an occasional use samba server with raspberry pi. Probably don't need very high IO?

[red jay]

The Pi 2 might get you by if you're asking about which raspberry pi to use

and you can buy 128gb flash drives at Target for like 15 bucks I kid you not. I love mine

[eager skiff]

yeah thats is helpful i was mostly asking about ssd cause were in the storage server

[red jay]

ohhh

I see

I don't have much doing server stuff sorry

[dry root]

i'm going to grab a 2TB samsung SATA SSD

the screw came off my motherboard for M.2

rip

[open gazelle]

samsung is overpriced and not always the best option

[dry root]

is there a brand you can recommend that competes with samsung

and also offers a 2TB disk

i would look, but you seem to know about samsung being overpriced

[open gazelle]

NVMe or SATA?

[dry root]

SATA, my M.2 port is borken

because no screw

and i can't find a standard screw that will replace it

maybe if i reach out to gigabyte they'll send me one

[open gazelle]

If you want almost exact perf then Crucial MX500, WD Blue Ultra, WD Blue 3D.
If you want close perf then Sunbow X3, Team Group L5 lite 3D, Adata SU800

[dry root]

adata i have a lot of experience with

not interested in 3D NAND, that's code for QLC sometimes and QLC is pretty evil

[open gazelle]

QLC isnt that bad

it's "meh" if done well

[dry root]

intel's new NVMe disks when close to full perform very badly

[upper quiver]

it does have a higher failure rate, but its not that much higher

[dry root]

they have an SLC flash cache

[upper quiver]

plus, its not like you can even buy SLC ssds

[open gazelle]

That's due to cache

[upper quiver]

theyre only for commercial use

[dry root]

they sell them on the consumer market, for a not very competitive price

[open gazelle]

Also, in unrealistic scenarios for standard consumers as the 660p works rather well for them

[dry root]

they can have ti

it, even

[open gazelle]

Like when close to full, are you going to transfer more than 12gb almost all at once?

That's the min cache size for the 660p (it has dynamic cache) on 1tb model

[dry root]

that ADATA SU800 looks pretty good

so does the WD blue but they sold that one out quickly for $180

[dry root]

you know

it's not uncommon for me to transfer 12gb at a time

also

i think regular consumer use case doesn't always apply, and for me a simple SATA SSD will be plenty fast, i think NVMe drives have like 6x the speed but the realistic differences are not 6x different

something about max speed only being reached when you take a single large file and transfer it, because it takes time to ramp up the speed

[gloomy ferry]

that sounds about right, iirc the max speed isn't referring to random transfers, which means just any tiny little transfer

[dry root]

yes

peak speed is like

"i have this 20GB raw video file"

"i'm transferring to another identical drive"

well, or copying on the same drive i suppose

[torpid adder]

so, how are system files transferred from one drive to another, ignoring others?

I've been wondering how it works

I have a 900 GB disk that has 474 GB used

I want to get a 250-500 GB SSD to house Windows and stuff

[dry root]

do you want appdata and stuff like that?

[slender ice]

i know that 221GB will work for Windows 10 Pro, i had two 120GB SSD's in RAID 0 on my server until i got fed up with them forgetting how to SSD

but you won't get much else on there at that capacity

[dusk turtle]

Windows 10 on my SSD is currently only taking up 136 GB out of my 237 GB available. Most games go on separate drives.

[slender ice]

wasn't there a time when Windows installs refused to go on anything less than 500GB?

i mean Win 10 installs

i feel like it was 2 years ago

[dusk turtle]

Not that I ever heard of

I was a beta tester too and never had an issue

[slender ice]

huh, weird, my boss had a fit about it when i worked at a Electronics Repair shop, he had a 200GB SSD and it refused to install saying "not enough space" and he was mad cuz it was installed once already on that same drive

[dusk turtle]

Sounds like he didn't format it first........or messed something up during installation

[slender ice]

:/ idk

[dusk turtle]

It was probably trying to install to free space left

[slender ice]

he wasn't TOO informed on things, could be the case

i was hired there basically cuz i had built my own router and server, and hosted web pages

didn't get much business for server repairs lol

[sick dawn]

Is a SSD worth 25$ for 240gb

I’m only installing windows and fortnite on it

And also, would I have to reinstall windows right?

[orchid blaze]

Well, to an extent. Ssds are great for booting because they are fast. But if you found one for 25$ it’s probably not very good cells. Ssds are like thumb drives. The cheaper they are the less their lifespan. If you want one that you want to use for a long time, get a more expensive one

[dusk turtle]

You can get a Kingston 240GB SSD for $25. It's a good one

They're cheap

[cerulean fog]

does anyone know why my m.2 isn't being detected?

[outer bane]

probably have to assign a partition to it

[jolly scroll]

Are the pins pushed in all the way?

It's it mountable?

[outer bane]

samsung partition magician whether its a samsung or not

[jolly scroll]

Has it worked in the past?

Is your Mobo updated?

[outer bane]

You almost always have to partition it first and assign it a letter

[jolly scroll]

Are you using a riser card?

And yes if it's not partitioned it won't show up under This PC

[cerulean fog]

I can't create a partition since its not being detected at all by BIOS and the Mobo is updated

It is a new ssd but I gave it to my friend to test it and it worked for them

[outer bane]

@cerulean fog samsung partition magician it will not show up in bios

I'm telling you it will work

you just have a drive letter conflict or something similar

have had to do it on 70% of all m.2's I install

[jolly scroll]

Yes that is a common issue

[cerulean fog]

I do have a wd m.2

[outer bane]

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/magician/

[jolly scroll]

But most of the things I listed happen often as well

[outer bane]

doesnt matter western digital may have their own software but either will work

[jolly scroll]

It's universal

[cerulean fog]

oh ok

[outer bane]

@jolly scroll I agree but this is most common

[cerulean fog]

@jolly scroll I'm not using a riser card either

[jolly scroll]

I'd try the partition manager then yes

@outer bane is absolutely right. I just like to tick all the boxes.

[latent smelt]

minitool partition wizard is pretty great.

[cerulean fog]

still not being detected but thx for the help

[outer bane]

next step is to go into bios and make sure it is enabled

do you have more than one m.2 slot?

the one you are using could be shared with something else which is why its disabled from start like a PCIe lane

[cerulean fog]

I have a hdd and I have 2 slots

m.2 slots

[outer bane]

what motherboard specifically

[cerulean fog]

b450 aorus elite

[outer bane]

you want it in this socket M2A_SOCKET:

not the M2B_SOCKET:

[outer bane]

Anyone know of a good windows migration software for a western digital nvme ssd?

it wont play nice with samsung magacian

[red jay]

GParted and Clonezilla are some of the best, others prefer macrium or , in the past, acronis. \

[latent smelt]

Macrium also has my vote

[outer bane]

I mean I really like the samsung magician but it didnt want to even see his drive lol

[red jay]

CSM disabled?

[outer bane]

In the end his HDD was sharing a sata port lane with the m.2

moved the sata cord problem solved still didnt like magician though

showed it was in Legacy

[cerulean fog]

Thanks @outer bane again for spending an hour helping me

[outer bane]

No problem

maybe samsung needs to see at least one samsung drive for it to work LOL

[cerulean fog]

probably since the hdd is a seagate

[outer bane]

cause I can see all of my drives in magician whether samsung or not

[cerulean fog]

I guess it just hates my drives and vice versa

[heady raven]

@outer bane i can confirm that magician USED to need a samsung drive connected

[outer bane]

@heady raven I guess it still does

[heady raven]

i have not used it recently. so dont know for the newest versions :)

but as iambox said, macrium is a nice migration tool, especially for situations where you are helping someone (aka, you are not onsite yourself). Because the UI explains what is going on. (Edit: Punctuation)

[jolly scroll]

Minitool is pretty good

[red jay]

Hirens PE is a real popular one, seems to boot regardless of config. Still need to boot accordingly if trying to fix a certain type of drive

[gray jungle]

I have a quick question, is there a way I can make 2 hdds seem like 1? So if Storage on one device is full it automatically goes to the other device?

[violet salmon]

i think you can extend the drive from disk management

[gray jungle]

@violet salmoni wont lose any data will i?

[violet salmon]

unsure. ive never done it. i just recalled that it was an option.

[red jay]

Yes, a spanned volume, or JBOD. Windows storage spaces

I recommend avoiding it.

[inner silo]

so i ordered a new SSD how do i copy all my contents onto my old one to my new one?

[jolly scroll]

I like minitool partition manager

[inner silo]

that does it?

[jolly scroll]

Yeah

It's worked for me in the past leastways

[dawn leaf]

So im still using an HDD and I want to transfer my OS to the SSD. And remove the OS from my hdd. How do I do that? Do I really have to reformat?

[minor sun]

No

Use like some partition manager and copy the partitions over to the ssd

[dry root]

also run bootfix on the SSD before rebooting

[urban epoch]

if it's a samsung SSD they have a data migration tool that will clone a drive, otherwise you'll need some third party cloning software. you want to clone it, then turn off the computer and plug the new drive into the same SATA port as the old one and it should work seamlessly

if you're plugging into a different port there might be more to it, windows likes to boot from disk 0

i'm about to find out how that works since i'm migrating to an M.2 SSD and can't put it on the same port

i guess a windows recovery drive should be able to fix it running startup repair or bootfix

[minor sun]

@urban epoch Please do report back to me bc I'm gonna be doing the same in about a week or so

I'm migrating from 1 m.2 to another tho

[urban epoch]

well if you're installing it in the same slot windows shouldn't know the difference if you just swap them

[minor sun]

So just clone?

[urban epoch]

yeah

[minor sun]

also I think its bios that does that

and that depends on boot list/path/whateveritscalled

[urban epoch]

well windows boot manager also has some info about which disk to boot from

[minor sun]

I remember having to change settings in my bios because my USB had higher priority than my m.2 xD

[urban epoch]

the bios goes to windows boot manager and then boot manager boots windows

[foggy swan]

MP600, reaaaaady go

[minor sun]

nice

[urban epoch]

Well sweet, I just ran Samsung's Data Migration program and it booted straight to the new M.2 drive after I rebooted and set the boot priority to use the M.2 first. I really expected Windows to complain more.

@minor sun apparently it's easy

[red jay]

hey there ^-^ I'm working on my first pc build, and the secondary SSD isn't recognized, I already tried restarting the pc, and going into computer management to configure the drive, but it doesn't even show up there. I know the Sata cable is working because it is also powering some rgb fans. any advice?

[dusk turtle]

Try a different sata port on the motherboard. Boot into the BIOS and make sure it shows there.

It has two cables, data and power

You have two cables for it, right? From your description, you only mention power

[red jay]

how do you boot into bios? or do I have to go through normal boot & get into uefi through advanced restart?

I have 2 cables, yes

[dusk turtle]

BIOS is either delete key or F2....you'll see it when the PC boots, it will say Press DEL to Enter Setup or Press F2 to Enter setup

[red jay]

I have an nvme, so it's super fast to click those

I'll try the delete key though

[urban epoch]

is the primary SSD an M.2?

a sata one especially, like a WD blue

[red jay]

sweet I at least see it in the bios now

Primary is M.2

[dusk turtle]

If it's in the BIOS it should show in Windows then

[minor sun]

huh ok

[red jay]

thanks @urban epoch :3

[urban epoch]

yeah if it's in the BIOS you should be able to initialize it in windows

unless the motherboard can detect it in BIOS but some of the sata ports are disabled by having the M.2 drive in

on my ASUS board, the first SATA port is disabled by the first M.2 slot if the M.2 drive is also SATA. i don't think it's disabled for NVMe drives though

[red jay]

@urban epoch sweet I'll see if it'll configure now

Next to figure out my case's power button (been using the mobo power button)

[urban epoch]

the 2nd drive has to be initialized in drive manager regardless though before it'll show up in This PC

er, Disk Management

i mean probably you've just got the power button plugged into the wrong pins on the mobo

[red jay]

@urban epoch the mobo guide wasn't very helpful on this one--I'm 90% sure it's in the right place though

the only thing that was me worried is that I had to take off the front panel to install a radiator, those front wires can be weak

[urban epoch]

ah yeah it could have come unplugged from that end. usually they put connectors on them at least so you're more likely to pull the connector out than break a wire

[red jay]

sick windows sees the ssd drive, thanks so much!

[urban epoch]

what'd you even change? it just started showing up after you went into BIOS?

[red jay]

I switched the port like you suggested; it was a tight fix behind the gpu (I'm lazy), so I wonder if I just didn't have it plugged in the fist port well enough

[dusk turtle]

It could have been a different controller too, depending on the motherboard

Could have been on the RAID controller instead of standard SATA

[red jay]

@dusk turtle no idea what raid is.. hehehe

[honest escarp]

Ok so I connected a new hard drive into my computer. I go into Disk Management but I do not see it there. Can someone tell me why?

[dusk turtle]

Try a different port on the motherboard and check the BIOS to be sure it shows in there. If it doesn't, try a new cable or port

[honest escarp]

Does not show in BIOS. Same thing on different ports

[dusk turtle]

If it doesn't show in the BIOS you either have a bad cable, bad power connection or a bad drive.

[honest escarp]

Oh

Okay

[dusk turtle]

Ya, time to test another cable or PSU connection

If those don't work, the drive is probably toast

[honest escarp]

When i start the PC, i hear the hard drive make whistle noises

that means its not toast?

[dusk turtle]

It should be prety quiet. The noise merely means the platters are spinning, not that it's actually working

[honest escarp]

Okay

[south vale]

HELP

MEE

T^T

I have HDD but its using my SSD for storage

Nvm

Got it covered

[silent marsh]

Out of curiosity which is faster:
3gb/s SSD
6gb/s HDD

[unborn plover]

why not a SSHD hybrid?
but to answer i think a ssd even in a sata 2 port is decently faster than a HDD

actually doing some reading it should be like 250 or so vs 125-150 on a standard hd

[lyric ledge]

Hi everyone, I'm having some trouble. Would anyone be willing to give some advice on what to do with a drive that won't boot? I installed an old drive with windows on it into a new build and I've been chasing errors since yesterday

it seems to be related to a corrupt BCD, but all the fixes for that are throwing 'access denied' or 'restore failed' type messages

[small steppe]

Keegan#2839 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[urban epoch]

argh

windows carries a bunch of information about hardware with it, and it can get really messed up if you put an old windows install in a completely new computer. i've always had to reinstall windows when doing a new build. not sure if there's a way to fix it or if it's even worth it @lyric ledge

[dusk turtle]

Depends on the OS. Windows 10 is really good with hardware changes, whereas Windows 7 and earlier are definitely not

[urban epoch]

yeah i think i was on windows 8 the last time i tried it

[dusk turtle]

Yeah, 8 isn't great for it either

I went from Intel i5 4670k to AMD Ryzen on Windows 10 and it was completely painless.

[urban epoch]

@silent marsh 3Gb/s is 375MB/s, and HDDs top out around 200MB/s, so the SSD is still faster probably

actually i might have been on windows 10, i forget

i just went from an i5-3xxx to an i7-8700k on a new motherboard with new RAM and windows completely poo'd itself

same brand of motherboard even, so it wasn't that different

i think it would boot though, just threw a ton of errors and BSODs randomly in windows

[lyric ledge]

sigh

I just really hoped I wouldn't have to drop another $150 to reactivate

thanks guys

[dusk turtle]

Well, what OS is it?

There are ways around this depending on the OS

For example, you could reinstall just the OS while saving personal files

@lyric ledge

You also didn't mention if it was activated or not?

[lyric ledge]

It WAS activated but the person holding the key lost it

it was windows 7 upgraded to 10

[dusk turtle]

Ok, so it's WIndows 10

Right?

[lyric ledge]

was

[dusk turtle]

What do you mean was.......If all you did was swap HD, it should still be 10

[lyric ledge]

The OS is on the drive?

[dusk turtle]

Also, if the OS was tied to an MS account, log back in with that MS account and it will reactivate

[lyric ledge]

It was a a local account

[dusk turtle]

Will it not boot at all? Just goes BSOD or something?

[lyric ledge]

Yep

It did

I seem to have further destroyed it by trying to recover via a USB recovery drive

I'm going to see if i can reinstall windows with another USB so that the drive will boot again

but overall this experience has got me never wanting to touch another computer again.

[dusk turtle]

What exactly happens when you try and boot it?

[lyric ledge]

It only boots to the USB now

the drive no longer boots after running the recovery software (which failed)

[dusk turtle]

What recovery software, Windows 10 USB media?

[lyric ledge]

yes

[dusk turtle]

Ok

hang on

[lyric ledge]

I'm planning to rewrite the USB to be a windows installation bootable with the same windows creation tool, and see if i can get a copy of windows running. I don't see any other way around this

[dusk turtle]

Here is a guide from MS that shows different options for a reinstall, either preserving or not preserving personal data using the different options from WIndows 10 Boot Media

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4000735/windows-10-reinstall

[lyric ledge]

Thanks. Looks like mostly what I had planned so I'll go ahead and follow the steps

[dusk turtle]

Software is always the hardest part of the build

[dry root]

Bekora i'm going from an i5 4570 to an R5 2600

it's going to be a big jump

[limber arch]

youll need a new motherboard

[frigid monolith]

@dusk turtle i beg to differ

[fiery fiber]

Hey folks, anyone have any experience enabling the TCG Opal encryption on a Kingston KC2000? I'm running it in a Thinkpad E595 with W10 Home. Drive works great but can't find a way to enable the self-encryption without purchasing something like McAfee or Symantic, etc (which I'd rather avoid). Any ideas?

[fiery fiber]

In case anyone comes back to this, my questions got answered in another channel. What we've learned is that unless your SSD manufacturer includes the ability to enable it in their own management software, you need to either use Bitlocker, or install a security suite like McAfee, Symantic, etc, that supports it, OR you can use sedutil which is open source but breaks the sleep function on Windows.

[orchid blaze]

ok so i am having a LOT of trouble with this wd my cloud crap. i have one and i cant access anything on it. any suggestions?

[tulip tendon]

Would a 500gb ssd be enough for a mid end gaming pc?

[keen urchin]

if you only have a couple games, sure

but 500gb fills up quickly

i recommend getting a 500gb ssd to install windows + programs + frequently played games on plus a 2tb hard drive for more storage

the ssd you should be able to find for $60-$70 and the hard drive goes for $50 or $60

just make sure the hard drive is 7200rpm.

the ssd i recommend https://www.newegg.com/product/0D9-002V-003Y7?m_ver=1

and the hard drive

https://www.newegg.com/product/N82E16822184773?m_ver=1

in about 5 minutes somebody will come in here saying those are garbage choices but i have both of them and no issues/complains ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dawn leaf]

What do I do to fix this? i think the port got.pushed in

Its an external HD

Oh and btw are external hardrives as fast as the normal ones? Cuz I need extra memory and im planning to just plug it on my pc

[dusk turtle]

External drives are almost always slower.

[hushed idol]

usb 3.0 is not as fast as sata..

[urban epoch]

remember eSATA?

is that still a thing?

i don't think they ever caught on, usb 3.0 was just easier

[dawn leaf]

but its fine to use it on games that dont have long load times right?

[honest escarp]

I have a basic hard drive on my pc. I bought a new Toshiba Performance x300 and plugged it onto my pc. Now I have two hard drives in my PC. The PC will not read read or find the new hard drive. When I have only the new hard drive plugged in, it would sometimes show up in Disk Management, But it is greyed out. When I have both hard drives plugged in, only the old hard drive shows. The new hard drive does not show up in BIOS as well. Can someone help me on this issue? I have been trying this since last friday.

[red jay]

can I ask for file recovery help here?

[minor sun]

@honest escarp what devices do you have plugged into your mobo in total?

Maybe its just you dont have enough lanes to run another drive

[honest escarp]

Once in awhile it would show, and then disappear, and become unknown.

[sick dawn]

Hi guys
I am building my pc, if I install SSD on my games and windows would it make a preformance boost or difference in game or windows compared to HDD?

@minor sun

[minor sun]

Faster load times

[sick dawn]

No difference in preformance in games?

Or like more fps?

Or nah?#

@minor sun

[minor sun]

Maybe but idk

[sweet badge]

it only decreases waiting time

no performance outside of that

[sick dawn]

Ahh alright thanks alot @sweet badge

[indigo dune]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CYJ4GS3?tag=userbenchmark-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1 is that a good SSD?

[meager leaf]

Get an ADATA one

[dusk turtle]

https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-rocket-nvme-512gb/p/0D9-00JJ-00001

[stuck kelp]

https://www.newegg.com/hp-ex900-250gb/p/N82E16820326190 is this a good deal?

250gb nvme for $37

[latent smelt]

Sequential Read/Write Speeds up to 2,100 MBps / 1,500 MBps

I'd say so.

[dry root]

long as it's not QLC

it doesn't appear to be

it markets as "3D NAND" which is TLC

it's pretty fast, too

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16820226891 i want this one

mushkin makes their own (pretty solid) memory and i generally trust them to provide a good flash drive, so i'm up for that one

[red jay]

I'd recommend spending $20 more for a 512 , it's a good deal though, yes.

[sick dawn]

is a 3DNand 6gbps ssd good ?

@dry root

as it says

The L5 LITE 3D solid state drive is 4 times faster* than the traditional hard drive.

[frigid monolith]

From Team Group yes

[sick dawn]

Alright

[frigid monolith]

Team Group is what i am using now

[sick dawn]

like apparently it’s more faster to download stuff right?

compared to HDD @frigid monolith

[frigid monolith]

SSD would blow a HDD out of the ocean

forget just the water lol

[sick dawn]

I’m buying a SSD to download windows and fortnite etc nothing else apart from that and games

Team Group

[frigid monolith]

If using for Windows and games the 480gb and 1tb would be your options

[sick dawn]

240GB smith?

enough?***

[frigid monolith]

personally i would go for a 1tb is only using a single drive

240gb is ok but you want to have more storage

[sick dawn]

I mean im downloading a 70GB game and windows

how much GB is for windows

@frigid monolith

[frigid monolith]

about 20gb i would like to say

but it is always better to be safe than sorry

that is why i said for a single storage only for 480gb minimum

if you are using a hard drive with a SSD then the 240 for windows and apps and the hard drive for games

[sick dawn]

Argh

I’m on budget

$30

[frigid monolith]

Well you have a hard drive already right?

[sick dawn]

Yes

[frigid monolith]

use the 240gb for your OS and apps and the hard drive for Fortnite

and any other games

[sick dawn]

ok

if i’m downloading like apps to my hdd would it be faster even though i have a ssd

faster as i’m download speed

[frigid monolith]

apps like the Epic launcher i would keep that on the SSD

it would still launch pretty fast even if the launcher is on the SSD

[keen urchin]

in my opinion only install games that you play frequently on your SSD

[sick dawn]

what about fortnite (70gb)

or is it not worth.

[keen urchin]

how much ssd storage do you have?

[sick dawn]

i’m getting ssd storage zack

[frigid monolith]

he has enough for a 240gb SSD

[keen urchin]

ah, got it

[sick dawn]

but if i’m downloading like apps to my hdd would it be faster downloading even though i have a ssd but not downloading to it?

[frigid monolith]

if he had a little more i would of said for a 480

[keen urchin]

70gb out if 240 is a lot for just one game, but if you play fortnite frequently and dont want to wait for load times, i would put it on the ssd

240 fills up fast

[frigid monolith]

yep which is why i have my games on 2 other SSD's

[keen urchin]

i have a 2tb ssd

[frigid monolith]

i have a 240gb, 480gb and a 1TB SSD in my system as well as a 2tb SSHD

[sick dawn]

yeah i think i’ll leave the SSD

[stuck kelp]

It’s good to have a combo like a 1tb HDD and a 256gb nvme

[heady raven]

"but if i’m downloading like apps to my hdd would it be faster downloading even though i have a ssd but not downloading to it?" <- just to be clear on this one: Are you asking if your download of data, will be faster IF you are downloading to your ssd?

because the answer to that should be no. (unless you have silly fast internet)

[dry root]

@keen urchinmy man, i'm going to get one eventually here

hopefully along with my 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM to replace my mismatched DDR4-2400

should (ryzen) improve my CPU performance and then the disk performance

[keen urchin]

awesome @dry root

i havent ran outta space yet 😄

barely had to use my hard drive

its super nice to only install things on the ssd, it goes super fast

o crap

i kinda have used a lot

[frigid monolith]

Zack don't you also not have a lot of PC games 🤔

[keen urchin]

a lot of my games are really big

sssppppeaaaakkkiiinnnngggg of which

detroit become human is downloaded.

@verbal furnace DETROIT BECOME HUMAN ON PCCCC

:D

downloading the nvidia drivers for it now

[verbal furnace]

now this is epic

[dull vigil]

hey do i need to turn my pc off to add another hdd?

[keen urchin]

yes

[red jay]

If you have the "correct" driver installed for your nvme I'll gift you nitro @ zack

[keen urchin]

nvme's has drivers?

woahhh

uhhh

but i have no clue what ANY of that is

[red jay]

I replied thinking you took it as offensive

Anyway - https://www.win-raid.com/f25-General-Storage-Drivers-AHCI-RAID-NVMe-and-USB.html

[upper quiver]

most NVMe drivers are integrated into the BIOS/UEFI to allow booting from such drives. That's why you usually don't have to install them

[red jay]

True - almost every modern UEFI bootable installation media will have an nvme driver - though, it's microsoft's in-house driver. Some of the win-raid guys , fernando et all have benched comparison, but it's not miles of difference.

Most of the samsung lineup also has UEFI/Legacy oproms that'll do the job when booted in csm mode - odd use case, but the 950 pro , 970 both at least were odd edge cases.

[dry root]

why are they installing win7 on NVMe drives

win7 is already deprecated right

[red jay]

Unless for niche overclocking/benching, ya - gotta just go with 10. z390 isn't too bad on 7, just need to load the usb 3.0 drivers in't the .wim during config, XP needs a few more, LAN, sata etc.

[dry root]

ryzen systems just refuse to win7 at all

i had one before

even with the old A320 board it didn't work

which is a pity because i like it

[pearl pulsar]

500gb m.2 or 1tb ssd

[silent musk]

I have 2 questions about SSD/hdd

1. How much space do I need for window OS and essential data
2. Would I have enough space on my 500gb m.2 to store the OS and stuff with room for a few games that I want to start up faster and put the rest in my hdd?

[pearl pulsar]

i would put games on your hdd

[silent musk]

Well, how much space would I need for OS

[trail verge]

if it's just an OS drive and you make sure not to put any other programs/files into it you can get away with 120gb, 240gb for a bit more breathing room

back in win 7 days I had a 40gb ssd for an os drive, but I was always struggling to keep a bit of space free

[balmy viper]

Crucial P1 nvme m.2 any good?

[keen urchin]

yes

[open gazelle]

About on par with Intel 660p

[rustic storm]

How good is a Samsung 970 evo plus m.2?

[keen urchin]

one of the best on the market

its very expensive though

[rustic storm]

I am getting one for Christmas I was just wondering

I got a deal at microcenter

[keen urchin]

nice

[open gazelle]

@rustic storm overpriced

It's only worth about $120 for the 1tb model given competition

[silent musk]

Are external SSDs worth it, or do I just get an internal one

[sweet badge]

internal unless it’s like a laptop or u need the storage on the go

[red jay]

What's the intended use?

[delicate edge]

@rustic storm I just completed a build using a 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus. Windows 10 now boots in under a second. I don't even see the spinner 😉 POST completes and, voila!, there's the Windows login screen. Build is ASUS ROG Strix Z390-E Gaming mobo with i5-9600K. Be sure and get the Samsung Magician app and the latest Samsung nVME driver. I got it on Black Friday sale for $199 from the Egg. It's crazy fast. Have fun!

[dry root]

what does the driver do?

for the NVMe drive

i'm beginning to wonder whether i should get a samsung 1TB NVMe instead of the Inland premium NVMe SSD @ 2TB

but i want to install games on the drive and i also want to store some media on it, because it's really satisfying to see stuff just pop up

and the Inland disk is very fast

i've heard conflicting things about Inland, mostly "inland gud, use gud flash" and "inland bad, no endurance"

but my experience with other inland flash products over the years (who remembers when they were a major brand of SD card you'd find in actual stores?) has been good so i don't think they'd blow it with NVMe