yup whats wrong with it
#peripherals-and-displays
tacit wing
upgrading your Black Sharks with another pair of Black Sharks 
normal barn
lol
tacit wing
Arctis is good but Clouds has better drivers
normal barn
well the v2x is tee budget verison
and ill probably use it
for gaming
school
and walking outside
tacit wing
well the v2x is tee budget verison
@normal barn doesnt matter. same drivers
tacit wing
tItaNiUm
tacit wing
if you want any significant upgrade from what you have now, try open-back headphones
get off the gaming BS
normal barn
uhh
normal barn
this got mic?
normal barn
audio phile
headset
does it got like a prt
port
where i can put a mic
and is it wireless
tacit wing
if wireless is a necessity go Cloud Flight S
normal barn
not a nesscity
just better convience lol
too expeensive
ill go with
shp
what this mean
should i get like
amps
or anc's
with this?
and what does endgame mean
tacit wing
LOL
that reviewer is comparing another headphone to the Philips
get something like this with the Philips if u need a mic
west hornet
Wireless $$$$
tacit wing
Cooler Master MH751/MH752 and Cloud Alphas are the only "gaming" headsets i recommend tbh
because they are made by Takstar
normal barn
does the pillps cancel out noise and i need the best heaphone plus mic i can get for under 100
tacit wing
options above u under 100 dollars
but pls be aware this is measly an upgrade from what you have now
the Philips do not provide noise cancellation but it has significantly better imaging and sound-stage because it is open back
normal barn
oh no
tacit wing
compared to the gaming headsets i listed above, the Philips will be a much more better upgrade with what you have now, in sacrifice of no mic and no noise isolation
normal barn
welp i saw it when in a top 10 audiohile budget slection
i literally was clcikcing best aheaphone links
tacit wing
https://youtu.be/TZjysufLO4Y watch this video
normal barn
hey i watched this guy he was the one who conviced me to get teh v2x
tacit wing
normal barn
can i play games on the phillps witout my mom hearing
cuz thats the reason i didn go for open lol
tacit wing
well yeah u need to go closed on that one
normal barn
but i saw it someelse like at walmart or sumthing for 30 bucks lol
tacit wing
huh
they dont sell no damn 9500's in walmarts lmao
u can barely even find them online theyre discontinued
tacit wing
that exact model?
normal barn
tacit wing
they stopped manufacturing 9500's but u can still buy them
tacit wing
yessir
normal barn
and/dac/amp or no
tacit wing
not needed but suggested
tacit wing
schiit fulla 3
normal barn
too expenvie
normal barn
u know what ill order like the steelseries arctis pro take the anc/dac/sound card and then return it lol
oh god
tacit wing
lol might as well just get a pc38x
normal barn
bruh
tacit wing
u dont need an amp for the 9500's btw
tacit wing
yup
but all im saying is if budget only allows under 100 bucks dont bother upgrading your headphones
also dont get that combo you just posted its pretty bad value
tacit wing
u can go no amp
tacit wing
its not needed im telling u
tacit wing
yes
normal barn
or cable boom thingy
tacit wing
oh lol
go v-moda if budget allows
because its reputable
the one i sent you is a budget option
rough warren
Is the blue snowball any good.
tacit wing
way better than any headset mics thats for sure @rough warren
but id save a few bucks and get a fifine mic instead
k669 i think is the model
normal barn
@last plinth that is my combo
shp9500 and vmoda boom pro
its 130 total
so like
@tacit wing any other recommendations
for headphones
tacit wing
under 100?
normal barn
uhh 100-150
last plinth
“Consumer”
rough warren
@tacit wing could you send me a link to which fifine mic your talking about
tacit wing
@tacit wing could you send me a link to which fifine mic your talking about
@rough warren https://www.amazon.com/Microphone-Condenser-Recording-Streaming-669B/dp/B06XCKGLTP
Snowball is fine if u like the looks of that one better
normal barn
rough warren
Ok is and amp required or just used for better sound
normal barn
good or no
tacit wing
good or no
@normal barn i vouch for 58x i have it lol
similar sound signature to the 660s
and its on sale rn currently
Ok is and amp required or just used for better sound
@rough warren its a USB mic
normal barn
send link
normal barn
rough warren
😂
tacit wing
tacit wing
everyone and their mama made a video about the 9500's
thats how good it is
for the price
rough warren
Thank you @tacit wing . My cousin offered to help me buy me stuff for my birthday so I’m just putting stuff in my amazon cart for him
normal barn
lol
me 2
my bday on halloween
he just got me g502 lightspeed
and steelseries qck
now im doing keyboard and headphone
tacit wing
@rough warren no problem. whatever mic you choose between the two you wont go wrong anyways
normal barn
i might me just got eiht 9500
with vmoda boom pro
that way its only 130 and not 200
whas the diffenrec
u thinki
tacit wing
cant go wrong with that setup
tacit wing
from closed backs to open backs yes
normal barn
no from 9500 to pc38x
tacit wing
well the 38x is a headset not a headphone
38x has mic and it being a Sennheiser, has a different sound signature
normal barn
oh
tacit wing
you will have to get a modmic
normal barn
usb?
tacit wing
also 9500's are easier to drive without an amp
tacit wing
you cannot go wrong with any options here
if the budget allows, 38x
but the 9500 combo will already be a significant upgrade from your Razers right now
normal barn
welp? u said no before lol
normal barn
oh
tacit wing
im pretty sure thats a mic sticking out of it LMAO
tacit wing
honestly if you go 38x, it might be the last gaming headset youll ever need
its 169
@normal barn nice
69 haha
normal barn
how it discount lmao
tacit wing
go with 9500 then
normal barn
i might get it next time lol
when 9500 brekas
i will get that
or the newer one lol
tacit wing
not necessarily better but they will be different from each other
normal barn
ik
tacit wing
both can be driven without an amp
honestly u cannot go wrong with either option
if i were to make a decision i would close my eyes and go eenie meenie miney mo
last plinth
Catch a tiger by its toe
normal barn
cunning hearth
If he hollers let him go
last plinth
Get shp 9500 and fififne usb mic combo
tacit wing
last plinth
tacit wing
well any dedicated usb mic will be better than headset mic
tacit wing
thats a good setup
normal barn
ok
tacit wing
if you dont need the boom arm you can save 30 bucks
but i do suggest a boom arm, having a mic on my desk is annoying for me
west hornet
big jmic nice
daring zenith
@tacit wing what's your opinion on PC37x+Syba Sonic vs PC38x+Integrated sound chip?
What I want to know is does the dedicated DAC make a decent headset "good", and does a integrated sound chip make good headset "bad"?
Also basically same price, 120+40 vs 170.
Because I saw the review on Syba Sonic on Z review a sec ago, before, I just thought it's mostly just an amp to drive harder headsets, but from what he says, the dac is supposed to be 'good enough' for music..?
west hornet
i haven't looked into pc38x yet and dont know how close it is to the 37x, but generally moving from one headphone to another makes a bigger difference than dac id say
daring zenith
Hm
last plinth
Does a sound chip make a dac bad or is a dac basically a sound chip
tacit wing
@tacit wing what's your opinion on PC37x+Syba Sonic vs PC38x+Integrated sound chip?
What I want to know is does the dedicated DAC make a decent headset "good", and does a integrated sound chip make good headset "bad"?
@daring zenith general consensus is, on-board audio on your MOBO will always be worse than an external audio solution
according to Z, dacs in general are more or less the same, thats why he says he hates reviewing them
daring zenith
Of course, but I want to gauge the difference while using specific examples
tacit wing
i dont think im the right person to ask since i have no experience with the Syba Sonic
when you say integrated sound chip do you mean on-board audio on your motherboard? @daring zenith
tacit wing
oh realtek
west hornet
mobo audio has definitely gotten better but yes external better 
tacit wing
i tried listening to my on-board audio the other day but my Realtek drivers disappeared from my system
but ive been on external dac+amp since i got my system so i dont even think i got drivers in the first place
daring zenith
Sad
tacit wing
i will plug my 58x's in the family PC which has Realtek audio and i will tell you how it compares to my Schiit stack @daring zenith
daring zenith
Fair enough
tacit wing
i tried downloading audio drivers from my MOBO's manufacturer site and it wont even recognize it
west hornet
when i switch from schiit to interface, schiit definitely sounded warmer and for long listening sessions definitely prefered schiit stack
tacit wing
Realtek on-board audio actually isnt as bad as i expected
its pretty palatable
but the EMI is worse than my UM2
west hornet
placid junco
woot
corsair finally got back to me
with my rma request
They rma my h100i and bout to send it back
placid junco
the usb for the cpu cooler was weird
like
u know
when u got a phone charger
and the usb is in weird it wont charge untill u wiggle it just right
yea same thing with this, the usb wouldnt work unless i held the usb in a certain orientation
obv i cant hold it there 24/7 so trhey gonna send me a new unit
tacit wing
the USB port and cable on my Kraken AIO is fine
theres nothing wrong with it but i want to switch to Air cooling for some reason
maybe we should move to #old-cooling
west hornet
i want aio, tired of looking at block
west hornet
still smoler than air 
placid junco
anyone know how i can stream video from my android to my pc?
tacit wing
anyone know how i can stream video from my android to my pc?
@placid junco theres an app for that just dont know what it is
solid adder
@timber ridge
solid adder
oh
timber ridge
i mean, a basic set of colored keycaps can cost that much
glass bear
*some people see them as art
solid adder
I see, I want to make a good quality keyboard
timber ridge
not even artisan key caps
glass bear
There are good budget options though right
timber ridge
jus by typing
solid adder
oh
glass bear
timber ridge
do you like tactiles, linears or clickys
glass bear
This one is just 6 bucks and kprepublic isn't a bad brand either
solid adder
i like clicky
glass bear
Blue swirches then
solid adder
yes
timber ridge
i dont know much about clickys, bc i never looked into it personally
solid adder
i see what do u use @timber ridge
timber ridge
but i know box jades are really good siwitches
solid adder
i don't game
glass bear
Browns are like a weird middle ground
solid adder
ye I want it for typing
glass bear
Blues are probably the best choice then
timber ridge
if you like clickys, im p sure box jades are the best rn
solid adder
right
glass bear
If you're building a keyboard I know some websites offer switch samplers
Where you can try out different switches
solid adder
it's not about building though. I just want a good keybaord
glass bear
Hmm the massdrop ctrl is good then
solid adder
is Anne Pro good?
glass bear
Yeah they're decent
timber ridge
np
glass bear
Ye sure
timber ridge
yup
timber ridge
I would figure its good bc the shp9500 were really good
timber ridge
yea it doesnt seem like there is much of a difference
i would stick with the 9500 since its cheaper
and you still have to buy a mic to go along with it
normal barn
ik
timber ridge
theyre good but they might not be for you
open back is not the ideal gamer headset
bc bass response is diff
timber ridge
i wouldnt get that just for the dac
normal barn
timber ridge
and that was majorly discounted like 2 days ago
timber ridge
for like 140
normal barn
it was disounted
timber ridge
or 130
timber ridge
but i wouldnt get it for the dac
normal barn
but he dont use the dac
so imma take it for him
cuz he on xbobx or sumthing
lol
is the dac good tho?
timber ridge
im not sure
prob better than what your motherboard can provide
if youcan get it for free go forit
and if its compatible
normal barn
oh ye
my omputer is lenovo y50-70
the oldest verison
i5-4200
wifi card is aboulte trash
gtx lke 860m
normal barn
lol
timber ridge
its not worth, if you gonna buy one buy a proper one
timber ridge
if u can
normal barn
lol
normal barn
uh
and like
i have a laptop
so like
a big mouse ain for me ll
lol
big mic*
@timber ridge what is endgaeme
in terms of music
@timber ridge uthere?
timber ridge
not sure
tight pulsar
endgame is a myth
tight pulsar
because there will always be some better that you want later
tight pulsar
idk im in german rn and idk much about audio
daring zenith
@normal barn go find dino, Sennheiser ninja, or Naed.
normal barn
@timber ridge @tacit wing uhh hello
are 9500s
good for gmaing
and listeneing to music indoors and outdoors
normal barn
why bz they leak?
timber ridge
kinda and you dont get the same bass response as closed back
bass is still present, jus not the same if that makes sense
normal barn
is this uhh equliazer seeting good they said if u put this in itlll beat 37x and 38 by a mile
normal barn
uhh where do i put this lol
where do i put these eq settings
is there like a hillps app?
wat about thus
@timber ridge am i suppose to downlaod eq apo?
timber ridge
i dont think there is an eq app
normal barn
im suppose to downlaod eq apo right?
i found all these eq settings on reddit so like idk which one is best i got 2 right now
timber ridge
wait to test them urself
hazy fiber
Now if only I had thought to grab some cables from home
Wow, I'm in love with these 6XXs even without my amp setup
hazy fiber
Like wow these are good. I forget how good open backs sound
normal barn
lol
hazy fiber
ikr
I think I might switch out the grace for a modi 3 for asthetics tho
normal barn
@tacit wing idk man
tacit wing
also post pic of the stack when you have the chance
hazy fiber
Since I don't have the cables anyhoo
One sec
tacit wing
@tacit wing idk man
@normal barn ???
hazy fiber
tacit wing
you still want to return your grace to get a modi?
hazy fiber
I will. Wish they had a red version
tacit wing
black and grey doesn't perfectly match idk why they did that
tacit wing
i think that grace dac is suppose to be a stack with the drop 02 amp
hazy fiber
Like in terms of heft and build materials
Likely
tacit wing
my second choice for a stack was the JDS Atom Stack but Schiit's build quality won me over
hazy fiber
Yeah, they feel so premium
tacit wing
something about the feeling of metal in a cold morning
hazy fiber
I opened it and was like wow
I just really wish they had a matching modi for my hershy
tacit wing
the two tone doesn't look bad at all
idk why they decided to paint the Schiit Hel the same way but not the modi lol
tacit wing
its not like ppl will pair a heresey with a hel
aint we already had this conversation before? @normal barn
normal barn
lol
idk
did we
i need a good on that not like 100$ more than my heasdset plus mic
tacit wing
we definitely have
you and cntrlkey must be brothers bc both yall forget everything i say 
daring zenith
By the way dino, was it you who said would test good headphones with onboard sound chip vs DAC or was it someone else
tacit wing
By the way dino, was it you who said would test good headphones with onboard sound chip vs DAC or was it someone else
@daring zenith oh yeah. idk if you saw my ping but i tested out Realtek audio on my Sennheisers
daring zenith
Prob didn't see the ping, what'd you think?
tacit wing
the EMi is very noticeable its almost offensive but the sound itself is palatable
daring zenith
Do you think you have an answer to the "PC37x+Syba Sonic vs PC38x" answer?
tacit wing
i think youd be fine with 38x plus onboard audio
tacit wing
i feel like an affordable dac amp like that is just a temporary solution
Can you do a quick explaination of EMi?
@daring zenith interference basically
daring zenith
Makes sense.
Oh so you think that's a step you shouldn't take, and just grab like a 100$ decent dac amp down the line?
tacit wing
well you said yourself the Syba Sonic isn't something you'd rely on. its something you just hope it will work
but i think onboard audio with the 38x is a better option
daring zenith
Just throwing stuff at ya to see if it changes things >:D
tacit wing
also, my stack was warmer and more detailed but thats kind of expected
but assuming you will use the 38x mainly for gaming onboard audio is more than adequate
also the impedance on the 38x is hilariously low so no problems driving it
https://open.spotify.com/track/2MYPFXScWdR3PQihBQxu7x?si=YQIBI5RNRwiR_iNtJQIKWg&utm_source=copy-link
i use this track for testing
daring zenith
Oh I thought I heard Z reviews say they're actually slightly harder to run than PC37x despite lower listed impedence, not sure tho
tacit wing
ok well trust him, not me
i didnt consider sensitivity as a factor for how hard it is to drive
hazy fiber
I'm assuming that I'll just need a rca cable to aux and and rca to rca cable for my Schiit stack, right?
tacit wing
im not using those ports
Modi to your PC with included USB cable
i dont think you need aux?
hazy fiber
Oh? What's the RCA out on the Magni for then?
tacit wing
i have no idea what they are used for honestly
tacit wing
most likely
hazy fiber
Man tho, these babys are so much more comfortable than Grado's on-ear SR60s
hazy fiber
I already have a webcam mic and a built in mic on my laptop and a good dedicated mic on my desktop (I don't care about sound quality on my laptop) so really didn't want a mic 🙂
Oh, I was thinking of a dif model, nvm
tacit wing
the collection so far
might get a pair of 4xx for a bargain from this dude from the UK
hazy fiber
Nice. I'm gonna stick to the one audiophile headset and my consumer earbuds/headphones
to be easier on my wallet lol
tacit wing
i reckon i can daily drive 6xx's for a long time
solar raft
tacit wing
well I can't say for those particular headphones since i dont own them but what i can say is that Beyers have a different sound signature than Sennheisers
solar raft
Hmmm, my wife makes music sometimes and we’ve been looking at getting her some headphones to help with it. It’s just light music, nothing big, sometimes just mixing songs and what not. Which would be a better brand to go with?
amber oracle
personally i am big fan of beyerdynamic 770/880/990 for that
AKG has some good ones for that too
but personal preference etc etc
solar raft
Gotcha, thanks! Since these were ~half off, I just wanted to check if anyone had experience with them first
amber oracle
and as always, its not Brand that really matters
its the specific models
hence why i listed 3 models above in my answer
solar raft
https://www.newegg.com/p/0TH-02C6-00009 so these, right?
tacit wing
monitoring/reference cans are generally used for mixing/recording/mastering
amber oracle
and newegg could you fix your darn descriptions please?
tacit wing
it shouldn't be any particular brand to be looking for since most make monitoring headphones
i notice M50x's being the most popular
that's why audiophiles on YT like to bag on them for how flat they sound
but that's honestly what you want when you're recording music
i believe the 990's have a Studio model geared towards production
hazy fiber
M50x's are pretty great headphones. Definitely not as nice as some 6XXs or my WH1000XM4s tho 🙂
tacit wing
i honestly don't enjoy the M50x's for music listening. i lent mine to a friend of mine and never bothered getting it back bc i enjoy my M40x's more believe it or not
its so bland and flat, but that's pretty ideal for music production
hazy fiber
I misspoke, I actually meant the M40x's... Haven't tried the 50s
west hornet
i think i heard the 50s had more bass
tacit wing
for my ears, the stock earpads on the ATH M lineup are too 💩 to emit any type of bass response
slap some HM5 earpads and its a night and day difference
timber ridge
m40x modded earpads is the best combo imo
tacit wing
aftermarket pads on Sennheisers will make it worse
i will throw u in the trash if u slander Sennheisers ever again 
tacit wing
what about it
you will never need like 99% of what you see in Z's videos not unless you plan to collect as much headphones as him
just cause he has it doesn't mean its for you, take his consumer advice
last plinth
Ok
tacit wing
also to answer u question thats a signal splitter
tacit wing
im surprised you're sittin through a Z review
last plinth
yes
midnight wharf
Are Philps mechanical keyboards good?
tacit wing
@brisk parcel i never gave you my thoughts after doing this mod
brisk parcel
yeah, removing the foam like I told you about
@last plinth also if you have audio questions @ me plz 🙂
I see you're questioning their comfort
last plinth
ok
brisk parcel
remember what I said about wearing them all day and forgetting they're on my head
last plinth
yes
tacit wing
i keep popping the foam back on and off to actually start noticing a difference, because i didnt at first
brisk parcel
especially since they're open back
tacit wing
the highs are brighter without them
last plinth
Did u mod ur 6xx
brisk parcel
I prefer more roll less punch
we have 58X
not 6XX
6XX don't need the mod, they don't have the foam to begin with
last plinth
yay
tacit wing
Joshua Valour said the 6XX is more detailed on the highs, so i take his word for it, the foam mod makes it closer to the 6XX
as with the 660s
58x's are versatile af
thick plank
@tacit wing just no
The issue again is the driver of the 58x
It is using the cheap and thick membrane of the 559 driver and the same housing and the same magnet
All of which result in it being slower than the 6xx (which is not detailed either)
And far worse than the 660 which uses the hd700 driver
Which is actually really good fkr a dynamic driver
However it is held back by the close nature of the chadis limiting its sound stage and bass reproduction
The 58x is just a bad driver in a bad chasis meant to look like another well known and okay headset
The 58x however lacks the accurate mids of the 660 and 650, isnt as fast or detailed as either (no matter what mod you do as that is a driver limitation), has less of a veil on the highs and more distortion in them as well, has way more high rolloff too, and has more bass but less detailed bass
And I dont particularly like the 650/6xx to be clear but the 6xx sort of can be good value if you dont need a sound stage and just listen to vocal heavy music
And I really dislike the 660 as it is in every way a downgrade from the 95x for more money
For an extra $20-ish, you should get the pc38x, it’s an updated version, $170, has better imaging than the 58X which has like crazy imaging
@brisk parcel neither have great imaging and the 58x and really anything using that chasis share the same 3 blob imaging which is terrible. You could get better imaging from a ur40
last plinth
opposing the current audiophiles of peripherals
thick plank
They arent audiophiles nor are they really knowledgeable on audio period from what I have seen
They simply watch meme channels like z reviews and parrot them
I'm willing to bet they also think the shp9500 is good
Lol
last plinth
👀 @tacit wing @brisk parcel
thick plank
Considering all the headsets I have seen recommended so far are overpriced mud canons that couldn't even extract the detail found in a compressed YouTube clip
brisk parcel
@thick plank we are not having this discussion again
we compared the specs months ago
they're completely different drivers
@last plinth don't listen to this man
thick plank
Oh yes we are. If you are going to give advice dont give it on something you already were disproven on hoping I dont look at the chat
thick plank
Giving bad advice and not knowing better is one thing but giving bad advice you already know is wrong is another
brisk parcel
it's not bad advice, nor is it wrong
thick plank
No, I literally got the driver, dampenser, and front and back images of each headset
And their fr
To show they arent similar in fr other than all being reverse v
Nor is it even a good driver
brisk parcel
I will return after my warzone game is over, we're fixing this
thick plank
It is a 559 driver
Which is pretty damn bad
The 559 gas a comfortabke chasis that allows it to image well so fkr gaming it is fine
But the driver in terms of detail retrieval in any chasis is abysmal
Because of the thicker and heavier membrane and much weaker magnet
Which is also why it is such a slow driver
brisk parcel
bro it's not even slow, it's NOTHING like the 559
thick plank
It is literally the same driver and yes it is a slow and muddy driver
brisk parcel
don't make me get that PDF again that proves you wrong
I've listened to both, it's neither
thick plank
It is the equivalent of pushing a 559 closer to your ears
thick plank
The 559 frequency response ironically is closer to it than the 660s
And the detail and speed againnis the same
As they are both the same driver
And the main difference is in sound stage
brisk parcel
they're NOT THE DAMN SAME DRIVER
thick plank
Things will sound much farther and less blobby on the 559
You are literally in denial
brisk parcel
they don't sound blobby or near on the 58X, just saying
dude I'm not in denial at all. I can HEAR the difference
last plinth
Fort do u even own them
thick plank
I have used them all
brisk parcel
and so have I
thick plank
And stillbown the 650
last plinth
diff dac and amp could be why
thick plank
Difference is j have proper equipment and knkw how to listen and look at the drivers and not listen to z reviews
@last plinth no, these are just characteristics of the headset
No matter what dac or Amp you use
brisk parcel
we've been over this months ago, everyone's ears are different, and maybe mine are different enough to hear your BS all the way over here
thick plank
When I compared how they sound that was assuming the same setup
Your ears can't create detail and speed in a slow driver
Your ears can't physically change a driver
brisk parcel
I don't know why you insist something is there that I know for a fact after using these as my daily drivers for 4 months straight, is not there
thick plank
What you like sure can be subjective in terms of if yoh want a wide sound stage or want high highs or high kids or high bass
But what is being output is not
Using something and having confirmation bias also doesnt change its physical properties
If I drove a Ford f150 and decided it must be the highest torque truck in the world does that suddenly mean a truck with objectively more torque has less because I dont use it?
Also all removing the foam on the back of the 58x does is add a bit of reverb which further adds to its already distorted sound
brisk parcel
I have used every single one of those cans, 660S, 650, 600, 58X, 6XX. and I still stick to the 58X and the 660S sounding eerily similar, and oh wow changing your story
last I checked you said removing the foam did nothing
thick plank
It does nothing for frequency response
It does do something for distortion
And that is add more
brisk parcel
haven't noticed it
why do you insist on something being there when it's not? we had this exact same conversation months ago
thick plank
Jt isn't much of an addition so unless you are actually using propper files and equipment I doubt you would
brisk parcel
I'm not going to repeat myself
thick plank
But you aren't doing that so I would be very surprised if you noticed any difference
brisk parcel
I notice plenty difference
brisk parcel
unfortunately for me, my vision is, well for lack of a better word, schiit. and I rely on my hearing a LOT, and I know that my hearing is better than most, and they still sound really similar
thick plank
It also has a slightly wider sound stage but still litteral garbage for a sound stage if you want wide and nkt intimate
It really isn't that good if you aren't calling the 58x a mud Canon
Although to be fair atleast it aint as much of a muddy mess as the 9500 lmfao
That thing is just a disgrace to headphones
It is basically what you get from drilling a hole in the cheapest driver you can find to call it open back lmfao
brisk parcel
you're really having fun being a troll right now, aren't you. look man I'm tired as hell and I had a long ass day, I really don't want to repeat the same convo we had months ago, which I proved you wrong in, and now you're just stirring things up again for no reason at all
thick plank
Hkw tf did you prove me wrong when I your claim was it isnt the same driver and I have the images of the drivers
last plinth
yea imma be honest
thick plank
Literally even the same part numbers on the membrane
last plinth
i probaly would never listen to a guy named fortnut
brisk parcel
look at the drivers a little closer then, look at the specs even
it's not the same part number lmao can you read?
thick plank
Open up your 58x really quick and take a pic of the number on the membrane
brisk parcel
I'll do that in the morning, it's almost 2 am man
thick plank
I'm going to show you a magic trick and take an image with the same number while having no 58x in my rooom
brisk parcel
I want to go to bed but I am not going to let other people take in your BS
thick plank
Except it is literally you being in denial
brisk parcel
metrics aren't everything, what matters is how it sounds to the person's ears
thick plank
The driver isn't subjective
brisk parcel
how the hell am I in denial?
thick plank
The fr isn't subjective
The sound stage also isnt subjective although that is harder to demonstrate on paper
But any review will confirm the small intimate sound stage
daring zenith
@brisk parcel go sleep
brisk parcel
different impedance, different frequency response
no
I will go make coffee right now if I have to
daring zenith
:p
thick plank
That is because it has a longer voice coil (which doesnt effect sound signature but does make it pick up less distortion with full tube amps)
daring zenith
This much commitment to a random discussion is an... Interesting choice, but I'll leave you to it.
thick plank
Although it doesn't help it much with solid state or hybrid amps
brisk parcel
it's not a random discussion, it's wrapping up one from months ago
daring zenith
Sleep is good :(
thick plank
Also, some full tibe amp designs can handle lower impedance somewhat well so it isnt like you cant use them with a full tube but getting a full non hybrid tube for any of the headsets mentioned so far is just dumb
Maybe if you have like an hd850 or something or a t1 and want to get some of the highs down and have the money I guess a full tube can make sense
But usually hybrids are the better options
thick plank
Especially if you are a sane person in that price category and get an estat or plannar driver
last plinth
sleepy time
brisk parcel
really, I've already dealt with ANOTHER phishing attempt on the entirety of god damn crescent hotels because for some reason the middle east loves them
love the work tho, super fun ❤️ like legit
alright, gnight gents
daring zenith
Night!
polar zenith
Hello, I need a little help. I'm thinking about choosing between Logitech GPro X (Non-Wireless), HyperX Cloud Alpha S and Razer Blackshark v2. Can anyone recommend me what to choose? This is my first headset, jumping from MPOW headset.
little crater
do you need a headset with a built in mic?
would you want to get a standalone one or nah?
i like to avoid "gaming" headsets because theyre all marketing and little substance
ive heard good things about these https://www.amazon.com/Massdrop-Sennheiser-PC37X-Gaming-Headset/dp/B084GFGMYT
grim smelt
anybody use thw huntsmen mini dose you keys rattle alot?
brisk parcel
morning all
@thick plank let me grab some coffee and we can finish this thing right 
normal barn
shp9500 boompro mic, pc37/38x
@brisk parcel which one
and hwat do u think about semi open headphones
@little crater yes that is good
@polar zenith ehh if u really want a good one out of those probably balckshark v2 bc i got the v2x insane bduegt option
welp where will u be using these like home or mix, outside
if ur using at home, open ended or semi open are better choices those are all closed back which makes it easier to heat up and get echos open and semi open are better
@tacit wing hi u there
brisk parcel
@normal barn which one what?
brisk parcel
ahhhh
brisk parcel
well, personally the pc37x or pc38x are good options, and both better IMO
normal barn
just want more opionion
brisk parcel
yeah I get it
the 9500s with the boom will be more help to you in the long run, but for raw quality, the 38x would be your best bet
if fortnut wants to jump in he can, I know he's watching 🙂
normal barn
are open headphones hard to clean?
brisk parcel
not at all, in face the only cleaning you should do is when you normally clean the pads
normal barn
like will a can of compressed air do it
brisk parcel
and if you want to clean dust off the back of the earcup, and no you don
normal barn
i mean dust can go on on the open back part lol adn they are open all the way
brisk parcel
don't need to*
yeah I know, just saying the only cleaning you need to do is clean the earpads every once in awhile
normal barn
and uhh do i need another pair for like commute and travel
like i got a balckshark v2x 2 weeks ago and i wanna refund and get a shp9500
brisk parcel
well the only thing about open backs is that they leak sound and let sound in a lot
normal barn
and closed bakc tends to block out outside noise and dont leak
brisk parcel
yeah they do
well they do leak a little but not nearly as much
where you commute/travel, is it a noisy environment?
normal barn
idk
subways
and sometimes walking
im mainly in new york
so ye
yeeeeeeeeeeeee
brisk parcel
well, walking you would be okay, and the subway depends on how much people care if they can hear your music lmao
brisk parcel
yeah lmao
normal barn
what baout outside sound lol
brisk parcel
true, but you should be alright on that honestly. the volume of the music will drown out that a lot
but yes I do think it's a good idea to pick up some closed backs for commuting
just give me a budget ❤️
normal barn
also are these good for like running on a treadmill at a ymca (a gym if u don know)
brisk parcel
yeah clamping force is pretty decent from what I can remember
brb I can hear my bacon sizzling 😋
okee pan is washed and I have returned
so
back on my original statement, the 9500s with the boom mic is a better long-term option cause then you can open yourself up to other audiophile cans and stuff
for using them while commuting, it will be a bit different, and you may get looks from people lmao
not for how they look but because how much they can hear your music
normal barn
ok
ye i considered that lol
@brisk parcel
im back from brekfast
i mostly use like 30 perent for volume
and uhh
budget is 50-150
@brisk parcel heloooooooooooooooooooooooo
MOD MIC 5 OR VMODA BOOM PRO
guys
is razer usb sound card good
normal barn
ok that one
but like
ye dino recomended me this or sumthing but like i kinda wanna lean toward like in headset mic
my setup is a 10 year old lenovo y50-70 i5-4200 and really bad specs
and my headset as of now which i got recenlty
was
blackshark v2x
so i wanna return it
last plinth
Save for new pc then
thick plank
not at all, in face the only cleaning you should do is when you normally clean the pads
@brisk parcel no, dont tell me you dont clean your drivers...
thick plank
@normal barn 9500 is an overpriced grainy sounding headset. If you want a cheap openback get the ur40
Why would you use a razer sound card?
If you want a cheap amp get the jds atom or even better is to move up to something with an opamp based design and add a sparko opamp
thick plank
And I definitely recommend getting a good amp before you invest in a dac
And when you do invest in a dac dont make it some razer sound card garbage lol
Get something actually descendent (although most dacs will use the same digital to analog algorithm in the low end so just get a flat sounding one)
Once you get a taste fkr low distortion and flat sound i can start recommending looking at hybrid tube designs and again changing the ooamp to a sparko opamp
thick plank
If you want a cheap openback for gaming get a ur40
Of you want it still mainly for gaming and have more budget then a 559
Neither are super detailed but they are a big step up from the 9500
normal barn
huh?
thick plank
The 9500 is just a bad headset with an okay soundstage
normal barn
what 559
thick plank
The 559 is the headset I was discussing earlier. It is the 599 with a mesh filter instead of a metal grill
For $80 to 99 usually
normal barn
seenheiser hd559?
thick plank
It has the same driver as the 58x too but with a lower impedance voice coil
It also kills that in sound stage and imaging because the driver distance
But both are low fi in detail and speed
normal barn
ughhhhhhhhhh so much choices
thick plank
Although if you want detail you dont get a dynamic headset
You get a plannar or even better you get an electrostatic
last plinth
@normal barn dont listen to
last plinth
hes a troll
normal barn
oh but like
i have a laptop setup
too bulky
so like in line headet mic might be better'
last plinth
why
thick plank
@last plinth no, the shp9500 are not fine
thick plank
They are a grainy sounding headset with nothing special and basically no accuracy in any frequency
last plinth
Also fifine mic is really good
thick plank
Rhe ur40 is just better in every way
normal barn
ok
thick plank
Detail, speed, sound accuracy, price especially, and in just not sounding like a grainy joke
last plinth
@normal barn u can listen to both the headphone and mic review
thick plank
Again, the 9500 sounds like what you get if you took the cheapest headset you can imagine and just drilled a hole in it to call it open back and got a slightly wider sound stage
Usually I dont feel linking YouTube reviewers is the most accurate way to demonstrate a point but if something is so bad even they can notice then it is just bad
last plinth
who is dms
Also in the comments they say its really good
Also remember
He doesnt have amp or dac
and hes not audiophile
shp9500 is fine
man i dont wanna argue with u
im too 4head
Not smart enough
thick plank
Dms is probably one of the most knowledgeable of the big 3 audio reviewers although he isn't the best audio reviewers by far and he is the only one to own equipment to record things to confirm his opinion before giving it and is where both Josh valour and z reviews get all their opinions on most products as he knows both kf them personally and gives them a lot of the things they review
They are basically bigger parrot channels other than in instances where they get the headset first
Then they become just baboons reviewing audio without knowing how
More z than Josh
thick plank
Josh can do alright in nkt being too wrong when reviewing stuff without piggybacking off another opinion
But Josh is too hesitant to point out negatives when he does notice them
Z reviews however is just a for profit channel hence why every review he calls a headset the best headset
He makes a ton of money off affiliate links
He also lies about parts of headsets and caused a ton of people to kill their headsets by telling them to remove the paper from the driver
brisk parcel
alright let me read up the chat here
okay so, @normal barn , @last plinth is right, don't listen to this guy. I'll handle it
thick plank
So in other words you all paroled the same incorrect advice and are mad someone finally is correcting all of you so you are encouraging others not to listen to reason
Funny how you jump to "dont listen tk him" while I give reasons why a given statement is wrong
Also, @normal barn when buying an amp avoid anything using any caps other than film caps on the signal path
On the power side for flattening voltage electrolytic and solid caps are fine but not on the signal path
Also, dont go for an amp that will be up past 50 to at most 60% with your headphones because with most amps distortion shoots up past that
brisk parcel
now I'm sorry for acting like a total douche, but when you consistently throw BS in people's faces, you leave me no choice. you have terrible claims and nothing to back it up, numbers don't mean everything, everyone's ears are different, I'm not mad that you're "correcting" me when you were never correct in the first place. do you need a little refresher on what happened last time?
your reasons are backed by nothing but PHYSICAL properties, not how it ACTUALLY sounds. raw specs DO NOT mean everything. for instance, 559 and the 58X, from what I can see, they're nothing alike, according to even the "spec sheet" they're a different driver. they sound totally different, and telling someone what your experience and ONLY your experience is with a particular can instead of using facts and references to back up your claims, is the real problem