Do you have a low clearance?
#old-cooling
topaz blaze
How about this
I havent started buiding yet but ima start puttin the pieces together
acoustic scarab
Figure out your case and it's clearance first
(also theyre ok but Corsair are overpriced af)
topaz blaze
Im goin with the thermaltake p3
acoustic scarab
Say for example a Noctua nh-d15 is $100 and will be more quiet than any water cooler
acoustic scarab
It's just a heckin chonker
Yeah Noctua aren't the prettiest but they are objectively high performers
clever berry
cold island
If you’re going aio id go for a deepcool captain 240 or higher
pseudo mica
Hello everyone. Please, I need help with my new MAtx ryzen build. Can't figure out which 3rd party cooler is best for my ryzen5 2600. Any suggestions? Thank you in advance.
topaz blaze
i bet you'd be pretty ok with a 120mm AIO, although that processor doesn't really need watercooling, you may be kind of limited on what kind of air coolers will fit in your build
depending on your case if you can fit a 240mm or not
something like this https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16835181140
i am very, very happy with my chromax dh15 LTT edition with the neat little orange vibration reduction mounts for the fans but i have a tall ATX case and hate the idea of putting water near electronics (yes, call me old fashioned)
but that likely won't be an option in a matx build
worldly heath
I find it hard to recommend deepcool AiOs with their quality track record
topaz blaze
it's so hard to keep track of what AIOs are made by who, especially with corsair cuz they have used several generations of pumps from a couple different manufacturers and sell them all simultaneously
topaz blaze
Deepcool having a good track record is news to me - I've seen passable performance form units like the captain 240ex though, sure it's all asetek inside, but as we saw on the TR enermax AIO - there's more pieces in the machine haha.
I can see how aios like that could be model specific in terms of MTBF though, I'd like to know if there's decent hardware in their line so I don't look silly comparing them to Instapots© for the cpu.
worldly heath
@topaz blaze i didn't mean they have a good track record, I meant the poor track record of their "quality".
undone quail
Speaking of deep cool are their case fans and air cpu coolers any good?
worldly heath
Their air coolers are pretty dang good, but I wouldn't put my faith in their AiO
topaz blaze
@merry wagon Oh hey btw, check out the amazon warehouse deal for this. Those fans are $30 a piece themselves, and that heatsink is rated for a 28 core xeon - wonder if it could serve as a TEC assisted water loop chiler with an HX or sandwidched cold plate or something
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DPSXNK2/ref=emc_b_5_t
merry wagon
topaz blaze
It was 64 earlier - I'm saying it's a big .. big version of the U12a that's normally $100 with the top best 120mm fans on the market, each of which retail for $30
merry wagon
OHHHH
yeah the LGA 3647 version
u12S is a very impressive cooler for its size
and yeah, with those fans on it
really flippin good
topaz blaze
Right - I'm thinking swap those fans over to my daily, use that U12a on steroids with some P14 arctics as a TEC cooler or.. anything really
dusty anchor
my motherboard doesnt have an rgb header
so I want to add an rgb cpu cooler and 4 or 5 rgb fans
so im hoping to get the corsair commander pro
idk if the com pro comes with software but ima use its software to control a butt ton of stuff
@copper patrol TECHNOLOGICAL PROWISE
upbeat anchor
don't those hub things have sata power usually or smth
dusty anchor
yes
upbeat anchor
actually don't listen to me
dusty anchor
sata and usb
upbeat anchor
Oh yeah
dusty anchor
sata for power ans usb for the obvious
upbeat anchor
well do you need the rgb header if you have the hub
upbeat anchor
o
dusty anchor
so
rgb case fan's hub into one commander pro led port, and a splitter for the other port for the cpu cooler and already existing led strip
hub + hub + motherboard
good stuff
@copper patrol I need rgb help
copper patrol
with?
dusty anchor
yeah
the cpu is obviously a 3 pin female, and the hub is a 3 pin male
but they wouldnt attach because they dont line up
dusty anchor
point is, motherboard have no rgb header, how fix? @copper patrol
and allow rgb cpu cooler
@merry crown ideas?
copper patrol
what corsair fans are they
dusty anchor
this has the normal 3 pin rgb on it
copper patrol
i mean
dusty anchor
my mobo doesnt have an rgb header
copper patrol
is that what youre trying to connect right now?
dusty anchor
soon in the future
copper patrol
oh
merry crown
it doesn't have ARGB headers
dusty anchor
nope
merry crown
4 pin is RGB 3 pin is ARGB
merry crown
Well then no lights for you
dusty anchor
stupid motherboard
I can atleast run it with no lights but that makes me sad
@merry crown fiiiiiiiiiine ill do a case fan normie cpu cooler
opaque quartz
I need help on what Cooler Master Case fans to buy. I need 4x 140mm Fans. 3 in front and 1 in the back. I have a CPU Cooler Masterliquid ML240R RGB with addressable RGB Lighting with Controller. So could i hook up 4 more fanes to the controller and what would i need to do this?
marble jewel
do you want to do a push and pull @opaque quartz
also does it have to be cooler master
opaque quartz
@marble jewel push and pull ? dont no what that is and i would like it to be cooler master since i can use the controller unless the cooler master fans suck.
marble jewel
no i think cooler master is just fine
marble jewel
also if you have a 240mm radiator would you not only want 120mm fans instead of 140?
merry crown
@marble jewel You should read this review first for that AIO https://i.gyazo.com/a813872602333f679eba57e6dc3c9904.png
marble jewel
oh damn that sucks
merry crown
It looks nice but the normal RGB one works better
opaque quartz
can i have the link to the review?
marble jewel
yea newegg reviews are really good
opaque quartz
well i dont look at reviews. I dont trust them since i dont have trouble in the first place with that cpu cooler. Mine works fine so.
merry crown
The reason why is cause i know people usually waits about a week or two before writing one up and on Amazon people would write the review same day they would install it
opaque quartz
well let me no if you can help me on what case fans to buy, i have to go cya
marble jewel
you cant take every review 100% seriously
river gorge
lol..
marble jewel
hey box hows ur day
topaz blaze
lyric vine
would i be able to match a pc fan pattern with my case's pattern? For reference i have a antec dark avenger case, and would like to put more fans in it while trying to stick to my patter/color scheme is there anyway i can do this?
or would i be better off just buying black fans and putting led strips in the case?
and my case does have a thing on it that i would plug rgb items into, and a button on top to change the color
opal rover
should i keep my h100x?
river gorge
dunno, should you?
topaz blaze
Do i need case fans for car p3
Or is the cpu cooler/gpu fans enough
Since its an open build
topaz blaze
Ya
merry crown
open air cases you don't need additional fans
copper patrol
id recommend a custom loop tbh, but air will be fine
topaz blaze
I have the h100
copper patrol
thats good too
topaz blaze
So ima jus smack that on there
copper patrol
should be fine
topaz blaze
Ty
topaz blaze
Jus had to make sure so i dont spend unnecessary money
copper patrol
yeah
copper patrol
i have such a good idea to make it better
maybe when thermaltake opens suggestions on their discord
imagine a full length psu shroud
with a removable hard drive cage
that way you can either have more hard drives or if you dont want them more room for cables/hubs/other stuff
topaz blaze
Make one yourself
topaz blaze
Lol
Get a piece of acrylic
And and a piece of cardboard or something
And spray paint over it
Nd u can bend the acrylic with a heat gun
copper patrol
is spray paint metal a thing 
topaz blaze
Lol
Thats y u have the acrylic
Just as sturdy
They have some on diy psu covers on yt
merry crown
You can use sheets of Aluminum
can bend easily shape it the way you want and you can paint it in what ever color you want
oh and easy to cut into
merry crown
Still would need a hot air gun
worldly heath
are there any benefit to hard tubbing over soft, other than looks?
cold island
not really
worldly heath
I see, I'll probably still end up switching to hard tubbing whenever comes the time to upgrade my 1080ti
minor mural
practice some hard tubing before doing it actually
worldly heath
I already have a custom loop set up, so it should be pretty easy to practice while actually trying to make correct shape at the same time
opal rover
so question why is 1 of my fans running at full tilt all the time but the others are fine
worldly heath
Check your fan speed settings in the bios? Also check to name sure its actually plugged in a fan header. If you plug it in a water pump or AiO header then bios will run it at 100% by default.
elder bridge
so looking an aio because it is a corsair case designed for most a 240 mm aio any suggestions that are not RGB?
tender crow
^ what he said but i need one thats below $130 and needs to be am4 socket compatible
neat epoch
is the noctua a good cooler?
delicate cove
what one?
topaz blaze
Noctua D15 /variants and the U12A are geat options.
The D15 is in the "top tier" of large air coolers e.g. the Dark rock pro 4, scythe mugen 5, coolermaster grande, comes down to preference tbh.
delicate cove
i have the dark rock 4 and love mine
neat epoch
noctua NH-u125
i saw a vid and saw that it out preformed water cooling by noise and tempature
topaz blaze
The u12s would be fine at a discount, say, $50 or so. The U12A has the best in class NF A12x25 fans
frozen sentinel
Does anyone have any data on the Coolermaster masterliquid 240 Lite? I can find everything on the normal and pro, Im just not sure where this Lite name is coming from and what it means for cooling compared to the others
primal spade
I would rather go with a aircooler instead of those 240 AiO's. For Example Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.B is around 50$ and outperforms most 240 AiO's and is under 1C behind NH-D15 in temps and a lot quieter at max fan speed (I have to keep my NH-D15's fan at 80% or so)
frozen sentinel
This is all the option I have for one
Im not going to custom build per-se, just customise a build from a company that prebuilds. For most things they are generally good at having the top few tiers of parts but not so much in the cheaper range
primal spade
I would pick stock and purchase the Mugen 5 separately and install it myself
frozen sentinel
Where £50ish is my cooling budget here
primal spade
Installing that cooler isn't even hard compared to some. One of the easiest installs ever
frozen sentinel
The only Mugen 5 coolers I found on amazon are about £20 more than this
primal spade
What Ryzen you going with?
frozen sentinel
Problem is Im still trying to cut near £100 off my budget from 2k1 to 2k so I can actually buy this thing
3950x.
topaz blaze
3900x is a bit better performance/$ vs 3950x. Comes down to budget and preference
primal spade
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/scythe-scmg-5100-mugen-5-rev.b-cpu-cooler-hs-046-sy.html out of stock sadly but could get one for 45 pounds or so
frozen sentinel
I need this PC for more of a home workstation use, but my knowledge of assembling computers and knowing anything about modern tech went out of the window years ago, and Im pretty confident on the CPU
topaz blaze
If more of a workstation than gaming, then ya, 3950x > 3900x could be better for your use case.
frozen sentinel
I think the 3950x gives me much better future proofing than a 3900x for the uses I have, I mean I do want to do some 144hz gaming on the side without getting a seperate computer so Im a simpleton slapping a 2080S in that badboy like you can casually do that (which apparently I can) so.
I dont intend to overclock at least until it reaches the end of its high-tier lifetime some years down the road, so Im not even sure if I should go with the stock cooler or not. Im not sure if, non underclocked but under full load on the stock cooler that the 3950x will get low enough temps to make me comfortable.
topaz blaze
Good call on running stock, zen2 chips run best for 99% of use case without much user intervention.
frozen sentinel
To be fair I could generally use more knowledge of most parts in general.
topaz blaze
I don't think the 3950x comes with a stock cooler.
frozen sentinel
The place im ordering from does have the option so, Im probably assuming they have the cheapest air cooler thatll fit an AMD bracket they have their hands on.
Bracket? Oh boy, been watching too much Verge
frozen sentinel
Depends how sufficient it is honestly
Cutting out a cooler I go down to 2045 which is half of the battle.
primal spade
I'd also go with 2080 instead of 2080S. More to the cooler and the perf difference is only 5% max
topaz blaze
If for some reason your vendor is also packaging an AMD stock coolre - wraith prism - with a 3950x which does not come with a stock cooler, no, I would not recommend using the prism
If you go air, D15, Dark rock 4 among others, but many users as well as AMD recommend liquid. I hate AIOs but I'd still recommend even a h115i pro or kraken x62
frozen sentinel
Cant buy the 2080 normally. They literally dont stock it, and the 2080S with them is the same price as buying a 2080 normal on Amazon, I think the reason its about the same price to get a prebuilt customised system from them than it is to build yourself is because the GPUs.
i115 pro adds about £100 extra to the budget which is... not ideal
I was thinking of the Noctua NH-u14S, I heard its pretty good. Its a bit more expensive but not a LOT more
fossil beacon
who the hell puts a stock cooler on a 3950x ?
topaz blaze
AMD was smart not to include a stock cooler for that very reason.
Even on a 3700x in any enthusiast build, investing $80 in a D15 or similar is a smart choice.
That type of component can last well over a decade of builds, especially since noctua often sends free mounting hardware if and when sockets change
topaz blaze
The Captain 240ex has good performance numbers, but I think some earlier lots had quality control issues. Despite my personal preference against most AIO's, I think they can fit other users preference and use case effectively.
fossil beacon
true true, but it's cheap as a solution
depends what your priorities are and if you have the money to throw in custom water solutin
topaz blaze
Most AIO's all use similar Asetek internals with a water/propylene glycol coolant mixture along with other additives for anti-corrosive or anti-microbial protection.
My prism is my rgb cooler
topaz blaze
Reading reviews, looks like the newer 240/360EX's RGB/etc variants have great Q/C and user testimony.
fossil beacon
yeah DC copies other companies, but for the price its totally worth it
topaz blaze
Honestly I really like that unique look on the pump
fossil beacon
that's why I got it
that and the 120 $ amazon deal
this guy was awesome also : Hydro Series™ H100i Extreme Performance CPU Cooler
survived for 5 years
topaz blaze
I think AIOs are a nice fit for those who want a clean look, RGB fan options, and/or have space/fit constraints - perference >>> internet dogma 100% imo.
That said, I'm not entirely opposed to water cooling haha https://puu.sh/EhDN7.jpg
river gorge
lol
dreamy mauve
Just to flex
My computer is cooled with three box fans
and still runs at 160F idle
proud osprey
i mean enough for it or should i go water cooling
topaz blaze
I eventually plan on going on an all Corsair build, case as well, and then spicing some stuff up with iCUE.
Maybe even run an addressable LED strip across the back of my desk and have it connected to commander pro and then to iCUE. 
proud osprey
topaz blaze
Ik but they have a cool logo 😔
magic sparrow
Corsair fans are way to overpriced and I recommend against them IMO
topaz blaze
I know but like
programmable RGB 💦
that can sync
with games and crap
I'm such a newbie I'm literally fanboying about RGB over quality
end me
magic sparrow
I mean upHere has fan that connect the the mobo RGB header allowing one to fully control them. 5 fans for $40
topaz blaze
oh shoot
I'm actually really dumb. I forgot about the Commander pro and stuff
which would make that almost universal for rgb fans that are compatible
magic sparrow
eh, depends on whether com pro is a 3 or 4 pin rgb header
and whether it's a standard or non standard header
topaz blaze
Noted ^
leaden crater
@topaz blaze the corsair stuff is inside pc not outside
in order for oyu to use the rgb strips outside i hope youd be feeding a wire through your pc case to your desk lol
stuck tundra
I have a noctua dh15 and was wondering if I should rest the fan that goes in between the radiators on top of the thing then clamp it on or should I clip it midair?
idle tiger
Either works. Have done both. Ensure the blade of the fan won't strike the fins.
topaz blaze
@leaden crater I'm aware, but I could connect it from the out to the in if I was determined
primal spade
I'd rathet use only RGB strips. RGB fans so ugly
And don't perform even close as well as typical Non RGB ones
primal spade
Well that's my experience with RGB fans. Corsair LL ones compared to Arctic P12 PWM's. I do 1 PC build at least per month for friends, their families etc
If the case is airflow restricted in the front, i can get around 3-6C drop in temperatures on GPU and CPU (running stock) using those P12 PWM's instead of Corsair LL120's at same noise levels. A lot of people prefer RGB Fans instead of RGB strips, but eh the cooling performance drop might actually be what will limit their overclocks further in the future evecn more. I do build PC's every so often with RGB fans, but i feel disgust doing so from performance point if view.
topaz blaze
do rgb fans even light up the pc as much as strips
as in is the rbg contained to the fan or does it actually project through the pc
primal spade
depends on the fan, But strips do light up more efficiently. but it does look "cool" in some people's opinions if fan RGB glows through cases fron't
topaz blaze
the case im looking at has a very clear view of the front fans
so ill probably have to invest in RBG fans eventually
topaz blaze
P12/P14 PWM PST 5 pack for $28/33 are some of the best mid range cfm budget fans imo. Noctua's, ML/LL/HD 1x0, Vadars, Nidecs are hard to justify at MSRP. San ace is fun
fluid fog
Is noctua u12s worth it for r5 3600?
hollow robin
What cooling would be best for a mid-range gaming pc? (r5 3600, rtx 2060 super)
river gorge
budget?
worldly heath
You're fine with a stock cooler on the r5 3600 tbh
hollow robin
Comes with the wraith
worldly heath
One of my friends built a system with a 3600 a couple of months ago, and his stock cooler keeps his CPU below 60C when stressed
but if you're planning on overclocking it could get hotter
hollow robin
My case comes with two fans, wasn’t sure if I should get a couple more as well
If I do overclocking I was thinking of getting an AIO like the corsair hydro series possibly
magic sparrow
@worldly heath @river gorge fun fact, new coolers on 3000 series are worse cuz the vapor chamber was removed. So stock coolers arent as good as they use to be
magic sparrow
also doesnt the 3600 come with the stealth tho?
topaz blaze
Ya, then 3600x still only gets the spire? and 3700x at least the prism.
old geyser
for fans, i dont think my mobo has enough fan ports, i need something to power a lot of fans. Would this work cause idk if this is used to control rgb or power fans. My fans are sp120
river gorge
used to control the speed.
old geyser
so i should be fine getting this as the fans are gonna be connecting to the corsair fan hub thing as well to control everything basically
low pumice
Hello, I bought a r7 3800x ealier this week, what temps should I be expecting with a NH-D15 SE-AM4?
unique lilyBOT
MikeyThanos#7474 has been warned
delicate cove
https://youtu.be/xAMmQy8bdXk
Alpha cool has some good stuff
topaz blaze
I'm going to need a bigger pump...
pneumatic is not g1/4 lol. Almost certainly 1/4 NPT.
river gorge
rofl
delicate cove
that radiator is a beast though lol
topaz blaze
I have a question about putting a radiator in my case
so it says it supports 2x140
so does that mean i can put a 280mm
kind apex
do you have the case?
kind apex
yeah it will fit up front
topaz blaze
thx
kind apex
no problem good luck with your water cooling
south stream
Hey has nzxt fixed their CAM software?
twilit scarab
ocean gorge
Anyone have experience with the NZXT H200/210 fitting a 305mm Strix card and a 20mm radiator?
topaz blaze
Somebody help me
coarse pewter
manic tusk
I have a question about my case and the cooking situation, it says online it can support a 120mm radiator on the front but if I remove the hard drive bay could I fit a 240? It’s the Rosewill challenger a by the way
manic tusk
Ok, thank you!
manic tusk
No
I have an external hard drive that I have set up in a really ghetto for storage and an nvme ssd
river gorge
ah gotcha, was going to say if they are empty, you could always transfer your drive to that top bay
I've done it :p
manic tusk
You mean put a drive into the optical drive bays?
hexed helm
Anyone got a suggestion on a cooler that would keep my 9700k cool?
dusky mason
To Any water cooling freaks out there I am looking for some help on a new Loop I am planning for my Man Cave. The Loop is going to be hooked up so it will cool my 3 systems via one big setup with quick disconnects for each system. Picture the Whole Room loop LTT did years ago but less copper pipe and more RGB. I also plan to use 3 Thermal-take p90 cases to wall mount the systems in a elegant open air RGB display the problems Im trying to figure out is how do I calculate how big a Pump, Reservoir, and Rads I should get to effectively cool the current CPUs/GPU I plan to use but also any upgrades down the road. Yes I know this is a weird over the top build but its more for the challenge/curb appeal then need
kind apex
wow let me crunch some numbers
manic tusk
@kind apex is that showing that you have a 4ft ceiling?
kind apex
I mean really it would be best to go with a pool pump and a car radiator. I would maybe use like a 5 gallon reservoir. It would be quite loud. I mean you have to move a lot of water a long distance
manic tusk
@dusky mason **
kind apex
@manic tusk its not my picture
manic tusk
I just realized.
kind apex
I think thats the length of the wall though not ceiling height
dusky mason
not 4 ft floor to ceiling 4ft from bottom System to ceiling my goal is to have them elevated about a foot foot and a half off my desk
manic tusk
Ohhh
kind apex
ah that makes sense
dusky mason
I have an HVAC Return vent in the other corner of my Office that I wanted to use to pull the hot air out of the room since its relatively small
which is why the rads are further away
kind apex
need the pump to push the water at some where around 0.75 gallons per minute
and the more distance we add the stronger the pump must be
You could use pc water cooling parts but it would cost a fortune and be eaiser and cheaper to put them individually in the cases
But lots of things are water cooled not just pcs so there are solutions
Did you watch the LinusTechTips video where they water cool an entire office?
dusky mason
price isn't a huge concern in terms off parts I was planning on using some EK Blocks and fittings but I assumed it wouldn't be reasonable to use a pump for each system since it would likely mess up flow
dusky mason
Yea I did thats where i got the initial inspiration for it they had a $400-500 pump and a giant reservoir
kind apex
yep you dont need that big just a scaled down version
the pump will be your most expensive part can probably get a radiator from a junk yard
or use a couple 480mms
dusky mason
ofcourse the real question is calculating an appropriate size If im correct if i get to powerful a pump the water wont spend enough time in the rad and it wont cool effeciently
kind apex
you need to be able to adjust the pumps speed by the voltage you provide it
or if its fancy it will have a knob to adjust lol
dusky mason
that could be done with a simple controler i through in the outlet right?
kind apex
yep
and a cheap flow indicator with a needle will help you monitor flow rate
you can get a nice digital one but those are around $300-500
dusky mason
yea thats abit overkill for an indicator unless i wanted to automate the flow/pump speeds
kind apex
yeah the cheap ones with needles are like $15
and I would use copper tubing for plumbing
just use compression fittings if you dont want to solder or sweat anything
acrylic would look awesome but be a real pain
I have built quite a few water cooled PC's even one that was completely submerged but nothing on this scale lol
dusky mason
I was planning on thicker clear acrylic and a nice colored water with some backlighting. Problem being i havent done much with hard acrylic and soft would be a pain to keep straight
kind apex
its not awful and you get better the more you do it but acrylic can be a little pricey
well if you want the clear stuff
and all acrylic will eventually discolor
dusky mason
How long does that usually last I have heard mention of it but none of my current loops have noticably changed and i have had the oldest for about 3 yrs
kind apex
around 3 years for me
so if it still looks clear you are using a good mix or your like me and stopped coloring it entirely than it lasts much longer lol
dusky mason
that makes sense I havent used color in a while
kind apex
speaking of which what did you color it with if it still looks clear after 3 years?
oh ok lol
dusky mason
I have gone through a few colors red blue purple
kind apex
I got tired of flushing mine out and cleaning it everytime temps started to rise
I just use distilled water now
and a couple drops of that anti algae stuff
dusky mason
My only concern with using distilled water is it turns the loop into a big battery if you have miss matched metals way faster
kind apex
make sure everything is copper
other than the acrylic tubes
I dont like aluminum
I dont think nickel matters to much
thats a possibility
dusky mason
Neither do i I actually had a situation where i gave an old corsair closed loop to a buddy that was alu/copper mix and he was less techy and threw some ramm stick in a box with it and a few weeks later he came back to me complaining about the ram i gave him. when i looked them over crystals had grown all over them
kind apex
that thing is a heat exchanger but its basically a radiator and you could put like 9 120mm fans on it
I would use something like that or grab a radiator out of a junked car
river gorge
dusky mason
the one you linked actually looks like a pretty good bang for the buck compared to grabbing some 480s
kind apex
thats what I was thinking
and its huge
lots of surface area since i think its meant to be passive
dusky mason
I'd like to avoid grabbing a junker mainly since cleanning would be a pain and i would have to flush it for months after i install just to clear out all the small stuff
kind apex
thats true it would be a process
I tried to look and see if I could find anyother people doing it there was this one guy who used a 50 gallon res and a tractor radiator LOL but thats a little overkill for you
river gorge
Nilboggen, did you even sleep?!
kind apex
@river gorge LOL got my full 8 hours in 😉
dusky mason
definitely since the room i plan to build my new setup in is only about 8'x6'
also sleep is for the week 30hrs of caffeine fueled modelling/drafting is all i need
kind apex
Not going to lie its going to get warm in there
between the rads and the pump you wont need to heat that room in the winter
dusky mason
yea thats the main reason why i wanted to force the air into the HVAC return
kind apex
that will help
dusky mason
Plus on top of my 4 34"monitors I plan to have in the finally setup it will be noice and toasty year round
kind apex
I definitely want to see some pictures posted on here when its done
dusky mason
no worries ill make sure to post them on imgur as well
figured the tech nerds of the world will apreciate it
kind apex
yeah its a cool project
dusky mason
I recently bought my new home and for some reason they put an addition on to the home and gave the master bedroom 3 giant closets so figured i need to use that space for something of value
kind apex
makes sense to me 😉
dusky mason
is it reasonable/safe for me to inclose the pump in a sound box or do i need to worry about it heating up to much as well
kind apex
if you did I would add some fans to the box to vent
dusky mason
hmmmm could i possibly water cool the pump aswell 
kind apex
that actually is what I was thinking for the size of your space. A pump you can lower into the reservoir
dusky mason
so use a submersible aquarium pump
dusky mason
makes sense where would you think the best place in the loop for the pump would be the res needs to be higher if im correct so the water weight doesnt force it way ou right
kind apex
between 1-4 gallon per minute
Im thinking about that question
I think the rad should be higher than the res and the rad should be your fill point but I am trying wrap my head around it lol
dusky mason
then use a sealable vs open air res
since i need to push the water up a fair amount would it be better to have the pump near the bottom
in a push config
kind apex
yeah I think the pump should be the lowest point either way gravity is helping on one end so yeah it would be a push config
and I think open res just for piece of mind
pressure can be tricksy
topaz blaze
The pump has to be either self priming which is rare, or ya, usually at a low point in the loop
kind apex
@topaz blaze thanks I knew there was a reason lol
dusky mason
oh yeah i wasnt even thinking about priming the pump
topaz blaze
Copper and nickel have similar electrode potential, aluminum is way out there
D5, ddc are by far the most popular conventional choices.
kind apex
@topaz blaze what do you think about using that heat exchanger as a radiator and slapping a bunch of 120/140/200mm fans to it ?
humble raptor
test
dusky mason
@topaz blaze are you sure a d5 would be able to handle 3 systems worth of blocks and up 4ft lift
graceful frigate
Initially joined cause of the linus giveaway lol but I figured a live chat is a good a place as any to ask a few questions for my future build. Im getting a I5-9600k for a 2070 super and I don't know what cooler to get. I don't trust the 212 evo as much but I don't want to drop $100 on something like noctua u12a. Would something like the MasterLiquid ML240L keep me at relatively low temps? Anyone have experience with it or recommendations?
copy paste from build, wanted to stay channel specific lol
magic sparrow
Scythe Mugen Rev. B
Windale 6
Macho Direct (I think is the name?)
few overkill ones that I dont really suggest cuz waste of money:
Le Grand Macho RT
Dark Rock Pro 4
D15s
U12a
Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B
FSP Group Windale 6
ARCTIC Freezer 33 eSports Edition
ARCTIC Freezer 33 Duo
Thermalright TRUE Spirit
Thermalright ARO-M14O
Thermalright ARO-M14G
few overkill ones that I dont really suggest cuz waste of money:
Le Grand Macho RT
Dark Rock Pro 4
D15s
U12a
topaz blaze
It should go without saying that if you have more components in your loop, your should choose an appropriately strong pump, or equivalent multi pump config.
wheat crater
I recently got the r7 2700 non x that comes with the wraith spire rgb(not wraith max). I was wondering if i could use any other rgb software other than msi mystic light since i have an msi board.
topaz blaze
hey guys
i got a question
so if i remove my front cooler and put it on top of my base
will that work
merry crown
@topaz blaze Got pics for what you mean
azure crown
anyway, I'm in the middle of planning out a build, and i am doing a custom loop to cool 260W TDP worth of components. would you think a 360mm rad would do it, and if so what thickness would be ideal?
magic sparrow
240mm with 35mm is fine. Also as a note for saving money, look at Bykski or Barrow for watercooling. Full loop with CPU, GPU, and the like is $230
azure crown
i WAS planning on ordering from freezemod, but they literally stopped selling the cpu block i was planning on ordering like a week ago
was sad
in the case of just a 240mm rad, what do you think of a thinner 360mm rad? i would prefer to use the 360mm of space i have, but I don't want it to be too thick
magic sparrow
pretty sure 35mm is standard, tho could be 25mm. Cant remember, but 360mm in standard thickness will also be fine
azure crown
aight thx
kind apex
thinner isnt a problem its all about surface area
dusk pelican
Why is cooling so expensive @everyone
azure crown
a standard air cooler should only run you about $50
dusk pelican
it collects a lot of dust for me
dusk pelican
what is the best filter then
burnt goblet
a bit of dust is not going to matter for the average user
merry crown
Best thing to own for cleaning out a PC is this https://www.newegg.com/white-metrovac-datavac-electric-duster/p/N82E16896367002
dusk pelican
doesn't look presentable
merry crown
used a fire stone on @dusk pelican
hidden mural
EcksGamer those things are the best and i want one but i keep being a derp and forgetting about it every month
could clean my keyboard good and proper
azure crown
Quick question, are pumps fed water from a resivoir and push it through the loop, or do they suck at the end of the loop and empty the liquid into the resivoir?
kind apex
but you can do a push or pull config
azure crown
I'm planning on putting my CPUs in parallel as opposed to series, so it would be preferable if it sucks on the end.
kind apex
what are we doing here is this a server farm what do you mean CPUs in parallel
river gorge
azure crown
I have two procs, I want to split the output of the pump into two lines, have each line go into a CPU block, and have them converge before entering the rad
I feel like I would get a more even water distribution between the lines when they split if the pump is sucking as opposed to pushing
kind apex
I guess in essence the pump will be both pushing and pulling the question is if its pushing towards your components or pulling over them
azure crown
Not if there is a resivoir, the pump will either be drawing from or emptying into
kind apex
the reservoir is just to increase the amount of liquid in the loop to provide more liquid for cooling
azure crown
Yes I know
kind apex
it should be like radiator > reservoir > pump > cpu > then cpu
azure crown
So the pump in that scenario would pull liquid from the resivoir, and push it towards the CPUs?
kind apex
correct
azure crown
So what if I wanted the pump to pull liquid from the rad
kind apex
easier for the pump since the res has the highest volume of liquid
azure crown
Ahh
kind apex
I get why you were asking now
lunar gyro
whats a good cheap liquid cooler for a ryzen 5 2600 im running stock settings and stock cooler idle thermals 50-60 degrees i want to oc to 3.9 mabay 4 but ill just be happy if at stock i can runn 100% cpu without going above 75 degrees
topaz blaze
lunar gyro
ty
inland kernel
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fVKTYH Do you guys think that this AIO on this case mounted on the TOP will be enough for i9 9900KS ?
inland kernel
😄 Always
woven edge
Sorry for the noob question but can the fluid in an AIO CPU cooler evaporate like a custom loop can?
kind apex
yes but it shouldnt its supposed to be sealed
woven edge
@kind apex Thanks i was just wondering.
kind apex
no problem
magic sparrow
AIOs can have permeation and most AIOs do. Tho it is quite slow and your pump is probably going to fail first (especially because most AIO pumps are pretty trash in terms of lifespan)
celest vine
3-5 years is the standard before something starts to go on them
lunar gyro
if a case has 2x140 fan spport on top but only says it has 240 liquid support on top will it take 280 liquid cooler?
lunar gyro
ty
kind apex
I would just google " 'your case model' 280mm rad" and see if anyone else has done it
lunar gyro
ty
worldly heath
I'm a bit late on the custom loop discussion, but I felt that I need to point out that loop order does not matter
the only place it matters is on cpu blocks, which are directional, and the few directional radiators
assuming that you have good parts, the loop will always normalize the temperature and flow, no matter what order you connect the parts in
smoky rover
Anyone know the best and cheapest cpu cooler for LGA1511 for overclocking
magic wave
Warehouse fan
smoky rover
no
@river gorge im overclocking my cpu
what cooler do i need
whats the cheapest and best
for overclocking
cpu cooler
magic wave
One with a large sink
magic wave
Can't use browser, tablet is weako
river gorge
unless you're going to get the hyper evo or variant, I wouldn't suggest overclocking if not AIO.
magic wave
Hmm looks decent, but a vertical one you can slap two fans on would probavly net you better cooling
low pumice
It's gonna be easier to give you a choice if you can give us a budget
river gorge
what are you trying to OC.
low pumice
like are you asking cheap as in stock cooler, or cheap as in <50$, or like <100$
smoky rover
Im buying a i7-6700k, wanna overclock it. What is the Cooler i should get and is easy to install?
Budget $50
Keep it as cheap as possible
❤️
knotty eagle
Hyper 212
low pumice
looks like hyper 212 evo is good choice
knotty eagle
It is. WIthin the budget and a great air cooler
low pumice
I've been looking through this sheet and hyper 212 evo seems like the only cheap one cooling 6700ks
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wQwYMGsSnMpKxrEesNVUSoP7hGykFWw1ygJsxwx64e8/edit?usp=sharing
tidal arch
knotty eagle
No, not if you're overclocking
low pumice
Nothing is overkill when you're overclocking xD
manic tusk
Ok boys, I’m a little bit of an idiot
And I need help finding 
for my new case, 7 of them to be exact.
4 of them need to be 140 and 3 need to be 120mm, my budget is... 100$
low pumice
Noctua
knotty eagle
That's abut $15 each, should be possible
manic tusk
I mean it would be nice to spend a whole lot less than 100$ because it’d be nice to get an nvme ssd but if not, that’s whatever.
knotty eagle
Corsair Air series AF120 2 pack for $20
low pumice
I think I have some arctic f14 fans that work well enough
knotty eagle
120mm
manic tusk
Ok
low pumice
p14
manic tusk
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07PFB69PF/ref=sspa_mw_detail_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&th=1 would these be any good? I don’t quite understand what the numbers mean
Like cfm and all that
knotty eagle
Water cooling or air cooled?
low pumice
cfm is cubic feet per minute, which is how much air it can push
knotty eagle
Ok then, those will be fine
low pumice
low pumice
I believe it's what allows you to change the fan speeds
manic tusk
Pizza with mayonnaise
knotty eagle
Depends on the controller
river gorge
pulse width modulation
low pumice
I'm not sure, idrk
manic tusk
Oh isn’t that the one with 5 pins
river gorge
atarii.
manic tusk
4
low pumice
4pin I thought
knotty eagle
I have a controller where only the input needs to be PWM, and it takes care of the fan speed
low pumice
I have no controller xD
I have my case fans on full blast at all times (At least thats what software says) bc its really quiet, and I can't hear it at all with headphones on
knotty eagle
yes, these are 3 pin fans so no PWM without a separate controller
low pumice
so you likely won't need pwm
manic tusk
Is there a one with 4 140mm fans, @low pumice the value pack thing you linked has 5 and then I’d just have a useless fan.
low pumice
one sec I can check
manic tusk
Thank you
low pumice
Well, you could buy the pack and have 1 extra one in case a fan fails xD
Because single fans cost 7$ on arctic's website, and there are no other packs I can find
low pumice
Don't think so, but most of the time you can fit 120mm fans into 140mm slots
manic tusk
It’d be on my exhaust fan ig
low pumice
because cases usually have mounting for 120mm on 140mm sized areas
river gorge
manic tusk
Yeah
river gorge
is what you want
river gorge
Just google '120 to 140mm fan adapter'
or vice versa
or be handy with a dremel, and a piece of acrylic
low pumice
tho that might not be worth the trouble when we're working with <10$ fans
manic tusk
Yeah
knotty eagle
It already comes with three 120mm fans
low pumice
oof
manic tusk
Or I guess they don’t suck a lot
low pumice
oh yea
make sure you have a screw driver
manic tusk
Ok...
knotty eagle
front 140MM, the rest 120mm exhaust
manic tusk
Ok
knotty eagle
SO that's 2x140mm and 3x120mm but that's just my opinion
knotty eagle
yes
manic tusk
Ok I’ll just buy a cheap 5 pack of those
Thanks for the help y’all, I really appreciate it! 
knotty eagle
YW
manic tusk
@low pumice is this like the ones you said you had?
It’s 120mm so I can use all of them
knotty eagle
Yes, those are the ones.
manic tusk
Ok
floral patio
Hey people, has anyone tried delidding here
kind apex
was able to go from 5.0 on all cores stable to 5.3 on all cores stable dont go over 80c
8700k
it is in a custom water loop 480mm rad
river gorge
hey nil, have you ever posted your pc pic?
floral patio
That's awesome buddy. So did u do it like months after u byed the cpu
kind apex
no I need to
river gorge
Would love to see the setup
kind apex
yeah about 5 months after I got the cpu
floral patio
Hmmh
river gorge
honestly I see no point in delidding
floral patio
@river gorgewhy
river gorge
I mean.. if you have to immediately break something and void its warranty.. just to gain a few C lower
kind apex
I was I little worried about sending it off but the results were worth it and I've done it twice now
kind apex
it is going to lower its overall lifespan
the liquid metal is slowly eating it away...
river gorge
yep.
floral patio
I believe it's cool if you want to get a little extra from your money
river gorge
or just buy a cpu chip that doesn't require the delidding 🙂
kind apex
but in his and my defense no other silicon is going to hit 5.3
river gorge
but if ya have deep pockets, and don't care about it... it's all good
floral patio
@kind apex so what,are u telling u r going to remain fix on the cpu till years
U r gonna upgrade to sometime
To catch up
kind apex
going to be honest I dont really understand what you are asking/saying
floral patio
Sorry English is not my native lang
kind apex
no problem
if you are asking how long it should last I have heard between 3-5 years because of the liquid metal used in the delidding
knotty eagle
The liquid metal is gallium if I remember right
kind apex
yep
kind apex
Illinois, USA
river gorge
oh boy another IL @outer sierra
kind apex
gotta let me clean it up first lol its in a haf x evo case at the moment no clear panels or anything and lots of dust....
river gorge
lol
kind apex
I bought a thermaltake level 20XT to transfer it to when I added my gpu to the loop but that never ended up happening because I'm lazy 😦
kind apex
it was on sale for $99.99 and still is. And no actually I really dont like TT
river gorge
lol
kind apex
but I love horizontal MB cases
kind apex
nice
river gorge
since you can stack them and lock em together
outer sierra
What about IL?
river gorge
Nilboggin is also from there
kind apex
Springfield
outer sierra
Okay
river gorge
am I confusing you with zack
outer sierra
I dont live in il
kind apex
its ok most people dont lol
inland kernel
I am so scared about my i9 9900KS 😄
I hope the h115i Platinum will tame it right
Most worried about it going on the top of the case, but that's the reason I got h115i instead of h150i =/
knotty eagle
You'll be fine
kind apex
h115i is a 280mm right?
inland kernel
yeh
knotty eagle
Yeah, that will be fine, even for overclocking
kind apex
agreed
manic tusk
Are there any good fan controllers that you put into a 5.25” bay?
Most of them I find suuuuuuck
low pumice
I've actually never looked into fan controllers, why would you need one may I ask?
Because afaik there are software you can use that can do the exact same thing as fan controllers
(control fans with custom curves n stuff)
manic tusk
I just wanna use every part of my case I can, I always feel the need to get the most out of things
low pumice
You could get a cd reader
low pumice
Maybe remove the drive bay
magic sparrow
Using all fan parts in your case usually causes turbulance
low pumice
it'll look more open inside
manic tusk
Yeah
magic sparrow
If you have an air cooler and use the slot for a fan above it in the case, it'll fight against the CPU cooler for air. Just makes the cooler perform worse
manic tusk
Ok well
topaz blaze
Do you think a 3900x should be air or water cooled if im running it for heavy and extended video editing
knotty eagle
Water
cold island
if you have the budget water but top tier air coolers like the d15 and mugen 5 rev b work perfectly fine and cool
topaz blaze
I have the budget for water
knotty eagle
A 240mm or larger AIO would be fine
cold island
@magic sparrow idk much about cpu coolers, best cooler under $50? looking at the mugen rev b
magic sparrow
Pretty good
If you want a black cooler tho I suggest Windale 6. But mugen 5 rev b is better pretty sure, just not as nice in colors
magic sparrow
Noctua is overpriced tho. Sure they're good, but there are other coolers just as good for cheaper most of the time
unique lilyBOT
Nuclear Nachos#9402 has been warned
cold island
yeah, but they have kind of pioneered the industry when products like the d15 launched years ago, and those chromax a12x25 will be amazing for cooling and not look like trash
low pumice
nh-d15 or
azure crown
mee6 is mAd
magic wave
I say good word
hidden mural
i got two warnings last night
i wonder how long i'm going to last here
hopefully a while
the way i talk normally incorporates a lot of profanity, so it's extremely difficult to avoid when you're used to it
gray mural
relatable
floral patio
Sorry but is tra* is not allowed to use?
floral patio
Feels like school😭😭😢🤣
sharp storm
So what's everyone's opinion on be quiet! Pure Rock Slim?
remote canyon
Cpu cooler?
fallen widget
Y’all I need help
I’m trying to build a custom loop, but I have a 2070 gaming x
Msi
And, NO WHERE has a water block for it
Like I can find the gaming z but not x, and idk if the pcb is the same because well, I haven’t taken apart my card yet and I can’t find pictures of it
knotty eagle
Gaming X Trio?
fallen widget
No
It’s msi dual-fan 2070 gaming x
Not the super either
You can’t buy it on Newegg anymore apparently either so I’m at a loss...
The downside is it runs hot without an aggressive fan curve (like it could be idle and cook my room) so that’s a huge reason for me wanting to cool it
knotty eagle
Believe it or not, I found one
Barrow BS-MSGZ2070-PA Waterblock GPU MSI RTX 2070 Gaming X / Z / Armor / Armor OC RGB Trasparente
@fallen widget
fallen widget
You are amazing. I have no clue how you did it but I’m amazed. Thank you so much!
knotty eagle
Welcome!!!
fallen widget
It’s European and there’s no reviews so hopefully there’s good customer service 😂
kind apex
I tried to recommend one yesterday to a guy with 2 zotac 2080tis and they were the only company that made blocks for his model of cards
knotty eagle
Same situation here
Although, from the description on that block, the Z block also works for the X?
Maybe other manufacturers blocks will also??
On another note, I have found reddit posts of people using Barrow blocks and fittings with good results
fallen widget
Hmmm I’ll open up my gpu when I get home and compare pcb sizes and such
knotty eagle
Might be quicker to just email EK or someone and ask
fallen widget
I just emailed them, so ig we will see
bronze halo
Question for the group: I'm setting up my lighting on my H150i Pro on iCue to change with the temperature. What would be best to monitor on the CPU, the Package or one of the Cores?
knotty eagle
I'd go package. The cores can spike and fluctuate a lot with load
It would honestly turn into a strobe sometimes if you just did a core
smoky rover
QuickCPU? @low pumice
low pumice
Prob not, use whatever you find
smoky rover
hmm, if you know mind messaging me it?
low pumice
@smoky rover try speedfan, I didn't use it but found it quickly looking it up
topaz blaze
Core max, depends on the board , sometimes EC is more accurate, package is a 256 ms average.
topaz blaze
?
topaz blaze
Is it possible to mount an h60 Corsair water cooler on a Aorus x 570 elite WiFi mobo
knotty eagle
what cpu?
magic sparrow
120mm AIO is a bad move. Complete waste of money
just do air cooler
legit is simply better
low pumice
water cooling is for high budgets
knotty eagle
better than 120mm
magic sparrow
I'd say unlikely. Tho some low end $20 air cooler can easily get pretty damn competitive on noise normalized perf with 120mm
knotty eagle
Stock Wraith cooler? Those are pretty good.
knotty eagle
Dunno, dood isn't talking any more
topaz blaze
soz if im interupting but has nzxt got good cooling?
knotty eagle
Good what cooling? Case?
Where are the plastic clips for the motherboard?
If you're going to watercool, get a 240mm AIO. Just about all of them fit AM4 socket
heavy owl
I can confirm that the wraith prism sucks
its only 1 point of contact my pc at idle is at 50c
If your gonna go with an AIO cooler i wouldnt suggest getting anything lower then a 240mm
vestal mortar
fat
unique lilyBOT
polish pufferfish#5455 has been warned
eager sable
river gorge
it's not at all crap. lol
copper patrol
if ur not overclocking the amd stock coolers are great
low pumice
(for the price of FREE it really is)
azure crown
So I'm planning on getting this for my loop, but I'm not really sure if I need to use copper or aluminum radiators.
kind apex
copper/nickel on the inside the fins on the outside can be made out of whatever you want
delicate cove
Anyone have these?
topaz blaze
If you're not overclocking zen2, you're a smart one.
azure crown
So I should use copper rads with the blocks I bought? @kind apex
kind apex
just stay like with like not sure what block you purchased but yes copper rad with copper block
the fins can be whatever material only matters where the coolant travels
topaz blaze
+1 to that, also choose appropriate tubing and coolant. only the cheapest of cheap rads will be Al internal.
azure crown
I'm planning on getting the alphacool crossflow rads
And I'm just using distilled water with the anti bacterial drops.
hidden mural
i think i might get an AIO eventually
knotty eagle
DOOO EEETTTT
Blow that hot air straight out of the case instead of around inside of it
😉
lol
knotty eagle
Oh yeah, you were going SFF right?
hidden mural
yeah
it's just a squat mini tower
it has a spot for a rad up top
i'm gonna pull out the manual brb
240mm up top
fractal is so considerate to include a detailed manual
other companies don't include good manuals
the fractal manual tells you the specific build order that is best for your case
lavish folio
Omg yes I love fractal
They make nice cases and they are very detailed
They provide you with everything you would possibly need
manic tusk
Does anybody have any fixes to this noise?
It’s just an obnoxious wirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
knotty eagle
SIlent Wings fans. Or turn the fan speeds down
azure crown
if you get really fast and loud normal fans it will mask the humming with the noise of airflow
and make your pc sound powerful
oh, actually on a more serious note, open up your pc and make sure nothing is near the fan blades
knotty eagle
Yeah but hooked into a molex for main power?
manic tusk
Yeah
knotty eagle
Ok
You could do something like this that would match your build
Or let me find a PWN controlled one form the motherboard
This one will adjust fan speed from the motherboard header
manic tusk
Ohhhh
Ok, until I manage to scrounge up 20$ in just gonna pretend like the noise doesn’t exist
knotty eagle
I have one in my case kinda like it
manic tusk
But how would I control the fan speed?
knotty eagle
Motherboard settings or software
IF your motherboard has fan control software, it would be through that
If you don't have that option, use the Kingwin controller for manual control
manic tusk
Coolio.
cobalt lark
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HK7YRCD are those good fans?
kind apex
have good reviews and the only negatives apply to the RGB so I would say yes they are good fans
cheap too
cobalt lark
Okay
celest vine
has anyone tried replacing the dark rock 4 fans with say noctua ones? as the lower performance doesn't seem to be down to mass/fin density on them, just a slower fan.
low pumice
I mean like fans on say nh-d15 costs like 10 bucks each
knotty eagle
fan speed =/= CFM or pressure
low pumice
Oh yea and fan blade design matters too
topaz blaze
My motherboard only has 2 connectors for fans, can someone please recommend a good hub/controller to add more case fans to?
hidden mural
IT BEGINS
junior thunder
im going to have everything for threadripper v3 mid jan
hidden mural
lol nice
beginning of jan i'm ordering the rest of my build
R5 2600, 16GB silly mismatched RAM
will fix the RAM issue next
junior thunder
all i needed was m.2 mobo cpu ram and cooler
hidden mural
i need m.2 still
junior thunder
yeah 24 cores
hidden mural
bloody hell
junior thunder
i been building for 11 years about to be 12
hidden mural
yeah i'd say i've been building that long
junior thunder
streaming vms editing coding
hidden mural
well longer
but just with budget stuff
most of my PCs are not expensive
this one is gonna run like $1300 in the end though
so i hope it's good
junior thunder
i only go expensive on my builds cuz i do one every 5 years
hidden mural
yeah i can't imagine doing a threadripper build every year
junior thunder
same
hidden mural
it's impossible 😄
junior thunder
well i work with aorus sometimes and stuff
and i work dreamhacks
so somethings will change