old-cooling

[topaz blaze]

Oh, ya, definitely need two wrenches.

[worldly heath]

I do agree with you, considering the kind of conditions I see those fittings go through on a daily basis with no leaks, you should never have a leaky AN fitting with a PC water loop

[topaz blaze]

I have nylon inserts for my vice, but thankfully those fittings are cheap, you can see the anodized alluminum scratches easily

I totally botched the first attempt to cut the hose / mount the fitting.

Might use an angle grinder or cut off wheel

[fallow sail]

I'm looking for a 360mm (preferably) CPU AIO non-addressable RGB cooler that's compatible with an Asus rog strix B450-F motherboard. (12v, not 5v). Any suggestions?

[topaz blaze]

What's going in the b450-f? Definitely want AIO vs air?

[fallow sail]

Have a ryzen 5 3400. And yes definitely water cooled over air preferably

[cold island]

uhh i wouldn't put a 360mm on a 3400g or even a 3600

it would probably be $150 for a 360mm rad, which is the same price as the cpu

[topaz blaze]

what about a 370x

crap

3700x

[cold island]

id put a 240mm on it

[topaz blaze]

damn

I got a 360mm

too late ig

[cold island]

more doesnt hurt

[topaz blaze]

yeah so that’s alg 👍

[copper patrol]

360 looks better too if its mounted in the front

[fallow sail]

Have a TT x71 case, so I was going to mount the 360 rad up top. I guess I could roll with a 240 instead, just wanted that 3rd fan. 3 always looks better than 2

[copper patrol]

yeah for sure

[fallow sail]

The corsair H115i and H100i are both non-addressable 12v rgb and compatible with my b450-f correct?

[copper patrol]

uhhh i wouldnt know that lemme go look

the pump/block connects with a usb 2.0 header it looks like

not sure about the fans

[fallow sail]

Thanks. I'm new to these RGB fans. Built my first computer about 8 years ago and everything was an easy 3 pin/molex connection lol

[supple hare]

what are the advantages of water cooling

[copper patrol]

better temperatures

looks cooler

dangit

i coulda said looks and runs cool

good for overclocking

if u dont wanna overclock if ur on amd their stock coolers are good and on intel a air cooler will be fine

or an aio if youre feeling fancy

but custom loop water cooling is the king of thermals

[topaz blaze]

@ AlexMcNoodle Depends on the use case, for high end OC setups like a 9980xe , a custom loop and double rad can help a lot -
For a 3600, 3700x, even a 3900x , 9700k, even a 99000k, only a few hundred MHz more you can OC vs air

TL;DR most of the time water cool for fun, aesthetics, size constraints, or because you hate money

[supple hare]

thanks

[worldly heath]

If you're doing just the cpu, a single 360 is overkill imo

I say that as I'm using a single 360 to cool my 8700k

[topaz blaze]

You can probably guess which of the reasons above I'm going with this for the chiller 100 psi build
https://i.imgur.com/Dw5dHT9.jpg

[merry crown]

UCA was playing real life dr mario there lol

[topaz blaze]

@merry crown What?

[merry crown]

You don't see it do you

https://tenor.com/view/dr-mario-mario-gif-5290488

[topaz blaze]

Nope

[amber crypt]

Is that from a turbo?

[topaz blaze]

Ya, the rest kinda blew up but I saved the impeller

[amber crypt]

Nice lol

[copper patrol]

reminds me of this

[inland folio]

Looks like a couple of the fins aren't in the best shape @topaz blaze

[topaz blaze]

ya, I think the bearing failed on that turbo, can't be too mad - was using canola oil at the time.

[slate galleon]

does anyone know where i can get a waterblock for a gigabyte geforce gtx 970 xtreme gaming

[subtle flower]

970? How's that card holding up nowadays?

[slate galleon]

its pretty good for me

i dont have alot of money but was looking to try and get a mid tier gaming pc for as cheap as possible

so im trying to watercool it

i also have an i7 3770k as a cpu

its still ok also

[worldly heath]

do you already have the rest of the watercooling parts?

[slate galleon]

i have them picked out

not bought

[worldly heath]

then that's definitely not worth it

you're going to spend more on watercooling than better parts would cost without it

[slate galleon]

why what does it cost

[worldly heath]

well I just did a soft water loop for my CPU only, and I spent ~$700

[slate galleon]

the parts i found are not that expensive

[worldly heath]

if I added GPU parts to it, I'd be looking at ~$900-1000

[slate galleon]

for lga 1155

[worldly heath]

what kind of parts are you looking at? cheap water cooling is sketchy at best

mind sharing your list?

[slate galleon]

https://www.newegg.com/p/2YM-001W-00001

https://www.newegg.com/p/2YM-0018-00032?Item=9SIA27C5UT9349

https://www.newegg.com/p/2YM-0018-00008

https://www.newegg.com/p/0X6-04KT-05JD9?Description=radiator&cm_re=radiator-_-0X6-04KT-05JD9-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/p/2YM-0018-00026?Item=9SIA27C5DZ9477

[worldly heath]

personally... I'd highly advise against going with that

[slate galleon]

which one is bad

[worldly heath]

all of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PnuUbP8dhE

[slate galleon]

even the reservoir

[chrome cedar]

With water cooling you want good quality parts to avoid any possible leaks

[worldly heath]

there's also risk of failure in future

whether it leaks, or pump stops pumping, you could get metal particles in the liquid

and on top of it cheap water blocks would straight up perform poorly even when they do work, giving you worse cooling than AiO or air coolers

[chrome cedar]

It isn’t really something you can get cheap

[worldly heath]

you can, it's just a bad idea

[slate galleon]

so instead of water cooling i should just spend the money on like a 2060 super

?

[worldly heath]

that would be my advice, yes

3770k is still a decent cpu, although the down side is that you're still on ddr3 ram

[slate galleon]

yea

do you think sli might come back?

[worldly heath]

no

[slate galleon]

oh

[unique lily]

josuke higashikata#1737 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[slate galleon]

lol

[smoky inlet]

LF> cheap rgb fans thatll work with Fractal mesh c and asrock steel legend x570 mobo o:

[merry crown]

@smoky inlet here you go https://www.newegg.com/apevia-412l-rgb-case-fan/p/N82E16835228122

[merry crown]

You also have this option https://www.newegg.com/apevia-fr412l-rgb-case-fan/p/N82E16835228123

[smoky inlet]

thanks ^^

[merry crown]

np

[topaz blaze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttKqzQiZEo

Good exmaple showing that reviews on launch can only show one side of the picture.

[worldly heath]

saw that video earlier, absolutely disgusting

this is why I have trouble trusting new companies

[smoky inlet]

Is this a good cpu air cooler?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WDPzK8/deepcool-gammaxx-gt-295-cfm-cpu-cooler-gammaxx-gt

[topaz blaze]

For $40 - you could get better imo, check reviews for this guy https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-Blue-Compatible/dp/B00JQ2YDCY

[merry crown]

@topaz blaze I think you mean 20$ https://i.gyazo.com/cff42606778b4f1c46ad339e535f1c2f.png

[topaz blaze]

To clarify - I meant $40 could do better than what was originally linked
If $40 is the budget - I can can input on best in price range - reviews are pretty straight forward though.

[glass otter]

How’s it going peeps

[copper patrol]

great, you?

[glass otter]

i’m good

[copper patrol]

nice

[inland folio]

Noctua NH-d15 or similar priced aio?

[topaz blaze]

D15

[inland folio]

would the d15 fit in a corsair 220t?

[merry crown]

Depends on the CPU i would say

[topaz blaze]

I'd check pcpartpicker to see if anyone's posted a completed build, TBH - the U12A - even at $100 sounds like a nice investment IMO - those NF A12x25 fans go for 30+ each anyway - it's rare that a 120mm fan is considered to be a single best in class, but reviews speak for themselves.

Can certainly find cheaper - more aesthetically pleasing options though.

[inland folio]

This would be to cool a r5 3600 most likely, is there anywhere to get the heatsink without the brown noctua fans lol

[merry crown]

Go with the D15 then

[inland folio]

get this one sell the fan and replace with less brown ones? https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16835608072?Description=noctual dh-d15 am4&cm_re=noctual_dh-d15_am4-_-35-608-072-_-Product

[topaz blaze]

So - a D15 would be considered overkill by many - but that and any other cooler in the same "top tier of air" that the D15 represents would let your CPU run nearly silent and yes, the D15's included mounting hardware lets you use any 1or 2 120mm fan(s) of your choice.

I have the D15s as well - great cooler - and ya, bit cheaper if you plan to strap on other fans.

[inland folio]

are there any other good coolers you would recommend around $100 air or liquid?

as long as it can cool a 3600 with possibly a slight overclock then it's fine after that looks might count more

[topaz blaze]

I want to stress that the 3600 does not need a robust cooler to perform well unless you want to spend money, time, and effort to squeeze out a few more percent

But - silence 🙂

Also - $80 on a D15s could last you through a decade of builds - who knows, Noctua has been known to ship you updated mounting hardware for free if sockets change and the included brackets no longer fit.

[inland folio]

do you know of any comparable coolers that have maybe all black, white, or even rgb fans cause noctua is good and all but the brown is just so hard to match to anything

[topaz blaze]

Yep, I'm using a Dark Rock Pro 4 on my 3700x rn - the fans on the DRP4 have a *better noise profile for similar performance <1000rpm vs the D15/s IMO

[merry crown]

This is a sexy one https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-gamer-storm-assassin-iii/p/13C-002K-000H4

especially with a black theme system

[topaz blaze]

The DRP4 mounting is fine- it works, just not noctua level good, also D15/s's memory clearance is better IME - but there are about 5-10 more large air tower coolers in this class.

Idk what that $140 cooler is - but at first glance I'd guess it's overpriced lol

[merry crown]

Also Timmy Joe did a test with that cooler vs the D15 and was a little less on cooling

D15 same model look as well is 150$

[topaz blaze]

CAD?

[merry crown]

US

[topaz blaze]

Look better

[merry crown]

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-0005-00111

[inland folio]

that's a little expensive when you could get this https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-001F-00029?Description=bequiet dark rock&cm_re=bequiet_dark_rock-_-9SIA68V8JH9879-_-Product

imo looks better too

[topaz blaze]

Ya - that's the DRP4 I mentioned

[inland folio]

yeah, I can't find anything stating how tall it is/how big of a cooler the corsair 220t can take

the drp4 would mount am4 too right

[topaz blaze]

Have you checked pcpp?

yes, I have the drp4 on an x570 master/3700x

[inland folio]

okay

[merry crown]

If that top doesn't come off it looks like a pain in the butt to place and remove the fans

[topaz blaze]

It comes off.

[merry crown]

ya but for an amateur they could bend and break those wired holders

[inland folio]

riperoni

drp4 is too big lol

the normal dark rock 4 fits...

[merry crown]

Friend of mine wants to build a system using the 9400F and thinking of using this cooler on it https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-rr-i71c-20pc-r1/p/N82E16835103279

Well i am thinking for him on that cooler just because it is a 9400F and he wants a RGB cooler

[topaz blaze]

that is a low fin density pure alluminum heatsink... it isnt much of an upgrade from the stock cooler

[ivory frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttKqzQiZEo&fbclid=IwAR3AJ4oRwLAYLD8SPfXXWqm_Ytpr6qgyuduo49h62apCKMsZgmTF_B4MyU8

[topaz blaze]

Repost!

[ivory frigate]

opps

I totally did not see you had posted it already

[topaz blaze]

Good watch though - about twice as long as it needs to be, (as usual) but I really appreciate GN's content. I think I'll pick up his toolkit/modmat for support

[ivory frigate]

good video though

[topaz blaze]

Leave it up, it's a good vid haha

[ivory frigate]

I want the modmat

[topaz blaze]

The only thing I'd want is detachable drivers - I usually use a cordless drill

If I order a 3rd noctua that comes with one of those long screwdrivers, I guess that'll fall victim

[ivory frigate]

lol

[merry crown]

Should pin the video

[topaz blaze]

Meh

[merry crown]

Well just so there isn't like 10 more reposting of it lol

[topaz blaze]

i hate AIOs, a noctua dh15 should be plenty for my 3900x right? seeing as how it's ~equivalent to a decent AIO

i've ordered it already

Lol- we have a lot in common

i get they're "fine," and call me old fashioned but water and electronics don't mix, and if i can get roughly the same with virtually no downsides

i don't want an AIO lol

oh wait no i want the DPK or whatever you were talking about yesterday

i am going to sell the dh15 when it gets here

[cold island]

why not just return it?

[topaz blaze]

I still recommend them to those who express preference - that linus video on the U12A vs H115i pro, h150i pro etc summed up what I had been parroting for a long time - that top tier AIO is pretty closely comparble to top tier air - D15 class

Despite my own preference of the D15 - I always mention that it's just one of 5-10 "top tier air cooler" from a list I should just keep on a text doc to copy paste haha

returning it is a hassle

it may be easier than selling it, dunno lol

the pro is the gen 5 or 6 pump?

[cold island]

@topaz blaze the d15 with the white chromax kit looks so sexy

[topaz blaze]

The only fan I've stock to or (in between) my D15 is that jet engine san ace lol.

Idk why people complain about the noctua fan color so much - the NF A15 isn't even that great, the brackets let you use any 120mm

[cold island]

i just like the colors

[topaz blaze]

Same, I should take abreak from discord and work on that peltier/6AN loop build haha

[worldly heath]

That looks like it blocks off a bunch of fins, wouldn't that heavily impact cooling performance?

[cold island]

its just a cover so no

it looks like this @worldly heath

[worldly heath]

That still looks like it would have an effect, sure the fins are open for the fans to blow through them, but the sides are now closed off

Idk though, might be fine, just basing my opinion on looks

[cold island]

the fans can blow through them just fine, its just a layer outside the fans so it doesnt impact the fans :)

[topaz blaze]

i was thinking that, too

you're covering who knows...maybe like 10%-15%? of the total surface area of all the fins

and those are fins that likely have less forced airflow over them

so it'll do something but it would be a fun project (albeit a lot of work probably) to figure that out

I'm guessing the fellows who designed this played around with the shapes a bit before shipping it.

[topaz blaze]

@topaz blaze the aios you just mentioned are not near top tier...

top tier aios would be like eisbear type aios with the pump maxed

h150i, h115i pro, eisbaur, alphacool, both krakens etc

the thing is a bland asetek aio is the opposite of top tier

I hate AIOs personally - I hope to never own one - yet I don't pass jusgement on those who prefer them

it is close to bottom tier

the whole reason people think corsair or nzxt aios are great is they are too ill informed to figure out it is a normal asetek aio and that they all generally per gen use the same tubing, pump, block, and radiator.

[copper patrol]

i love aios

[topaz blaze]

there certainly are good aios

a 240mm deepcool captain 240ex is pretty close to a d15 and the 360mm version should beat it and the 240mm version with noctua fans should aswell and it is only around $70 to 80

[copper patrol]

mine keeps my temps at 30-50, it looks good, and it came pre-sleeved so im very happy with it

i am aware that air coolers are just as effective for cheaper... but aios just look so good D:

[topaz blaze]

and the eisbear aios and other non standard aios using good quality parts instead of asetek garbage flat out beat any air cooler you can get

[copper patrol]

also then i can pretend i have water cooling

idek what asetek means lol

[topaz blaze]

...

[copper patrol]

you gotta admit, it does look good

[topaz blaze]

if im being honest it looks like a lot of money got wasted as a result of falling for marketing but that is my take on it which in this case is objective in a sense but looks are subjective

although i dont personally favor that look either but again subjective and there are plenty of people who do like the rainbow splash look

[copper patrol]

oops

that picture was taken when i had it set to rainbow barf

its all synced up now, just cycling through the colors

and yes youre right, i wasted a crap ton of money on this thing

i didnt need the cooler, cables, riser cable, ram, fans, or case, but i bought them anyways

kinda wish i had gone thermaltake now that i know how good their aios and fans are... oh well

all the brands match and it makes me happy

[topaz blaze]

which is falling for marketing

Well that's not very nice

it is honest

[copper patrol]

well at first i liked the AIO because of looks, then i decided to get corsair fans and ram to have it all on the same RGB software

[topaz blaze]

i am usually a pretty upfront person

not being upfront with people is a good way to ensure they make the same mistakes in the future. i think zack understands where he made mistakes and this is a positive

as it means he is not likely to make the same mistakes in the future

[copper patrol]

i dont consider this a mistake, i love my new pc

and i do prefer the looks of the corsair aio over the thermaltake one

[topaz blaze]

i wouldnt recommend either

there are 2 primary aios i recommend

[cold island]

aio's are mainly for looks tho tbh, only main reason over top tier air coolers

[copper patrol]

exactly why i got mine

[topaz blaze]

eisbear for pure performance and deepcool captain if you wasnt to edge out any air cooler or asetek aio for cheap

[copper patrol]

also as a replacement for that crappy stock cooler

[cold island]

but air coolers are better overall, much cheaper

and less things to go wrong

[topaz blaze]

@cold island nah, even a d15 is only on par with asetec 240mm aios which are terrible in the broader market of aios

the issue is asetek making aios in general seem bad

[copper patrol]

all i know is i can pretend i have water cooling

and nuclear can pretend he has a 1080

[cold island]

@topaz blaze where the heck do you even buy asetek stuff they list no stores

[topaz blaze]

@cold island asetek is the oem that most aios i consider to be overpriced trash use.

they are all basically carbon copies of each other

[cold island]

yeah cause of the patent on them

but eibear 240's are $10 more than the d15

[topaz blaze]

If you don't have a Kingping T rex, you might as well play xbox

@cold island and eisbears are on a different level and are basically lower end custom loops premade

[cold island]

im confused now

didn't you recommend them for performance or was that another brand?

[topaz blaze]

eisbears are the ones i recommend for pure performance

deepcool captais are the ones i recommend as they basically beat anything from the $70 plus range until you can get eisbear aios in price to performance

[cold island]

i see

i didnt know if you meant lower end custom loops as a bad or good thing

[topaz blaze]

basically edging out a d15 in the 360mm model and being just under a d15 on the $70 240mm model and likely beating it if given noctua fans

[cold island]

Considering you can refill the eisbaer’s, couldn’t they last a very long time if you put new coolant in? @topaz blaze

cause if they could last, that’d make the 280 for $115 an amazing deal

[cold island]

wait no that’s kind of stupid you could just get d15 for $15 less and a little less cooling

[topaz blaze]

Picking D15 vs AIO for performance alone - eh, could go either way - AIO will be able to soak more peak power- D15 should? win at 200W+ noise normalized steady state - but that's splitting hairs. I think the main factor is aesthetic preference, size constraints, all that.

[ivory frigate]

Has anyone use anything from the Corsair Hydro X Series? I am looking at the 2080Ti waterblocks. Not sure I would get one, but I am thinking about testing it just to see its performance.

[topaz blaze]

I'm jealous af the blocks for your cards are on sale haha - mine are msrp gouged and oos https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HC-1389-B1

Performance wil be negligible with poper installation, maintainence, attentionto detail imo

I think popcorn was right - the corsair finstack looks strikingly similar to the asetek design lol

[ivory frigate]

For my build I will be getting the TT blocks, but I was wondering if anyone had tested those before. I might do some testing on it if not

[topaz blaze]

Check out some of the computex footage showing release, I tink it's smart to for them to integrate and cut costs without cutting corners where it matters

[topaz blaze]

@topaz blaze @cold island again, a d15 or asetek aio font compete with eisbear aios. They are just on a different level and basically are custom loops pre made

@ivory frigate the corsair hydro x blocks are modified asetek blocks so I wouldnt use them

Poor fin design? Or due to principle?

Fin design makes it hard for liquid to flow past fins

I'm in the market for a 2080 ti ftw block - probs just gong EVGA hydro copper

What if I use an overkill pump

(not trolling)

Problem is liquid getting stuck between fins and liquid just moving over it so not much thermal transfer

You want a ton of fins but you also want some distance between fins

Wouldn't that depend on both flow rate, viscosity (and its variance) over the temp ranges found in normal use?

Rather - why did asetek do a poor job?

Cheap, relying on rep vs quality?

To add - flow rate and pressure is a two dimensional variable ofc

@topaz blaze here is the evga fin stack and the fins are fat which leads to what will likely be a low surface area compared to most blocks

Sort of reminds me of phantek blocks lmao

[ivory frigate]

@topaz blaze have you used one yourself and tested the block for performance?

[topaz blaze]

@ivory frigate which block?

Here is phanteks

Look at this joke of a fin stack

[ivory frigate]

the one is my post

[topaz blaze]

While that would certainly help support your hyphothesis here - I don't want you to think that your ideas are to be dismissed without consideration unless you've tried something yourself.

@ivory frigate the corsair hydro x being a modified asetek block based design isnt an opinion so I wouldnt have to test it to get that info

They arent making their own blocks if that is what you think

Or their own radiators

Each one of their loop parts are oemd by other companies

[ivory frigate]

then its all your opinion. I asked if anyone had used them. I want real life testing.

I will just got one for myself and test it.

[topaz blaze]

And someone who used them who doesnt know where performance levels should be wont be able to give you an unbiased or good opinion

I would recommend against that

It is basically a $150 stretched asetek block

[ivory frigate]

interesting. You recommend I dont do my own testing and take what you say as the answer?

Guess you are right because you know all and all other are stupid. Saved me $150.

[topaz blaze]

I recommend you not get a poorly designed overpriced part

[ivory frigate]

Lets see, if I want to test it on a test bench, but I cant get it to test it how is that going to work?

[topaz blaze]

You can if you want just as you can get a block for ram that doesnt touch the dies and doesnt actually cool the ram and just kills flow rate if you want

But I can also say doing so is objectively a bad idea

[ivory frigate]

Is there anything you do recommend?

[topaz blaze]

Xspc and bykski blocks are the main companies but barrow is also good and koolance blocks.

[ivory frigate]

Oh I had O rings fail for XSPC, they are bad I would not buy from them.

[topaz blaze]

And how did your o ring fail?

[ivory frigate]

they were crap quality and fell apart.

[topaz blaze]

Rubber doesnt just fail and would require some liquid to eat away at it or you would have to improperly disassemble the block and snap the ring while reassembling

[ivory frigate]

no they set on my desk for about a month and when I went to use them the O rings were dry and chunks came off them.

never used

iin the original bags I might add

[topaz blaze]

Letting a block dry up could break any o ring especially depending on the fluid previously in use

[ivory frigate]

it was fittings that had NEVER been used in the original bad.

The rubber was old and crap. I got them that way.

Nothing dried out.

I wont buy anything from them

[fierce slate]

all the xspc stuff i got was new just dont like the softtubing it now exactly clear

[ivory frigate]

did it have a slight yellow hint to it?

[fierce slate]

around febuary im switching to intel in january so ill do hardtubing in febuaryand will most likely be switching to ekwb

[topaz blaze]

Looked online to see if it is a common issue and it isnt

[fierce slate]

yea was like a yellowish orange

[topaz blaze]

I couldn't even find one other reported case of the o ring failing and drying g with them

[ivory frigate]

Yeah I had some that looked like that before.

[fierce slate]

waiting to do hardline before i switch the hose

[topaz blaze]

For tubing I usually recommend thermaltake

[ivory frigate]

Well guess since its not online it did not happen to me. Sorry guys I was wrong

[topaz blaze]

@ivory frigate there is a difference from a common repeating issue and a one time issue

For example, poor machining is a company wide issue for ek but if you get a block with say a cracked in half copper plate then that is a one time issue

[fierce slate]

ive only known ekwb to make good products

i mean there pumps do 1500lph which is high

my xspc cheap pump does 420lph lol

[ivory frigate]

I have only had one issue ever with them. That was one of the new kits and I was just testing it and the pump leaked and they replaced it fast.

oh and the Coolant smells like cat pee

[fierce slate]

who cares what it smells like lol

its to cool not smell lol

[ivory frigate]

its bad in a leak though. smells up your whole desk

lol

[fierce slate]

ah

was like wth u smelling ur coolant lol

like go smell radaitor fluid it smells too but thats not its purpose

[topaz blaze]

Then you dont know much about them. Eks blocks have some of the worst performance, worst flow impedance,machining is a joke on all their blocks, they use oversized prongs so that you cant put it back together if the o ring comes off so basically to keep anyone from disassembling the block, and are overpriced usually by huge margins relying purely on marketing to sell.

[fierce slate]

good thing it did smell cause that gave you a warning sign right away

[ivory frigate]

true that

[fierce slate]

your like the only person ive met sofar that doesnt like ekwb

[topaz blaze]

I sort of didnt believe the machining was as bad as it is either until I found out they were the only company making a block for the vega 64 variant that I used for the reason of the improved pcb and had to use them.

[fierce slate]

i have x-clan mates that use thier stuff and it works great to them

im using xspc atmn

[topaz blaze]

@fierce slate go any any custom loop building server or overclocking focused server and most experienced members will recommend against them

[fierce slate]

bought a 280 raystorm ion set

[topaz blaze]

Xspc is great though as they have low flow impedance and great performance

[fierce slate]

this is mine

only issue i have is that thier blocks and pumps arent rgb

thier led

[topaz blaze]

They are performance focused rather than looks

[fierce slate]

yea i want both tho lol

and 420 on a pump isnt much

[topaz blaze]

For that I recommend bykski

[fierce slate]

ill change my blocks and pump/res after i get my new motherboard and cpu

gonna get a z390 strix next month then save up in dec and on january order a 9700k

[topaz blaze]

Bykski's lowest end cpu block beats all of eks blocks in flow impedance by a mile and only loses to one in performance lol

[fierce slate]

after that ill change my case and do hardline

[topaz blaze]

And I'm talking about a $50 to 70 block bykski makes

[fierce slate]

dont they make ones on xspc site with rog logos?

ill most likely add a monoblock too

[ivory frigate]

Well as fun as this was. My new PSU is here so I must go to general and post pictures.

[fierce slate]

then in june ima buy a 2070 super

and waterblock it

what did u order

[ivory frigate]

EVGA 1600W P2

[fierce slate]

wow what do u need that for lol

i have a 750 g3 and im good

must be doing sli and alot of power hungry devices

[ivory frigate]

And also wanted a platinum one

[topaz blaze]

@fierce slate oof, you got a g3?

Big oof, it has the opp and otp misconfigured

P2 is good other than being a single 12v rail

[topaz blaze]

well neat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajJaYGnKpu4

noctua's site literally broken lol

[fierce slate]

@topaz blaze theres absolutely not 1 thing wrong with the g3's

[topaz blaze]

@fierce slate there are and i literally just listed them

[fierce slate]

so thats wrong with it cause you say so?

[topaz blaze]

they're budget psus, there's going to be a tradeoff somewhere

no, i guess i am construing them, i thought those were their super cheapo ones

@fierce slate no, because professional psu reviewers found this issue. it isnt a subjective thing but instead is an objective issue.

[fierce slate]

my 750 g3 was 135 thats not cheap

[topaz blaze]

i literally just said i construed them with something else

psu price doesnt magically mean you get good protections or properly set up protections

the cx for example has full properly configured protections and is cheap

whatever man you're obnoxious even if you do know your stuff

again, this isnt a subjective matter...

you act as if facts are opinions and your opinion can overrule them

what i bring up are not my "feelings" or "opinions" but rather actual objective flaws or reasonings

[merry crown]

The G3 series is known to be very reliable and also has a long warranty as well

[fierce slate]

every product i got from evga works flawlessly and if i ever had issue which was barely ever they have replaced items fast.

[topaz blaze]

my dude, i'm not disputing the validity of your statements, it's how you present them, and lots of people have told you the same thing

i dont "think it has misconfigured opp and otp" i know it does as this is testable, has been tested, and has been demonstrated to be a flaw. also @merry crown the g3 series is known for being a fire hazard for these reasons and for having capacitors pop

almost every product will have a tradeoff somewhere

@topaz blaze again, that isnt true at all. there are multi rail psus using double ball bearing fans with full protections and low ripple

there are psus without tradeoffs

[merry crown]

PopCrn where are your findings on this because i have never seen in any tech news about it being a fire hazard

[topaz blaze]

so what if he needed the g3 for the small form factor

i have way better things to be doing with my time

nevermind

and primary protections are teh worst place to have as a tradeoff especially if it isnt saving you money and there are cheaper psus with full protections

[merry crown]

This is the thing you have a lot of bad things to say about a product but never anything to back it up

[topaz blaze]

so if this guy needs the tiny short power supply, show some other options

@merry crown psu guru has made multiple in depth reviews on psus protections and there are also otehr sources who test psu protections

this is also why you dont recommend a non properly reviewed psu as many can be missing protections or have misconfigured protections like with the g3

without going into SFX and other unusual size PSUs what does someone who wants a short but otherwise standard PSU get?

[merry crown]

again you're just saying it but you're not showing the proof

[fierce slate]

just like how u say ekwb is trash but everyone i know who has it is very happy

[merry crown]

Watch he pulls the article and it is like 5 years old

[fierce slate]

lol

[topaz blaze]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-supernova-650-g3-psu,5533-6.html

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/944852-dont-buy-the-g3/

https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/287266-issues-with-the-evga-g3-severe-issues-with-protections

@merry crown @topaz blaze clearly both of you are ill informed on psus so i recommend not pretending to know about topics you are perhaps not knowledgeable on as this is a common issue which is brought up on multiple forums and is one of the most knon features of the g3. misconfigured opp and otp on the g3 are as well known as the ripple and missing ocp and ovp issues of the s12ii.

[river gorge]

debates are cool, arguing / belittling everyone isn't. the past 15mins in here is a dumpster fire, please just stop.

[topaz blaze]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_GMev0EwK37J3zZL98zIqF-OSBuHlFEHmrc_SPuYsjs/edit#gid=1065202301 psu guru also made a list of psus and protections if you dont want to look at reviews and take the easy way of checking protections many are summarized here

[merry crown]

those are also articles that is over a year old which you have no idea what it is like now

@river gorge sorry man just saw what you said as well

[topaz blaze]

@merry crown because the psu design is over a year old...

the year it was reviewed doesnt change anything unless there is a new model made with a completely new design (there isn't)

i literally rescinded my statement (you know, where i say "oops, i confused the lines of products"), and added to it by saying maybe he bought the specific PSU because he needed something from it, namely the small size, i didn't recommend any PSU or say get this or get that. maybe instead of saying "your stuff sucks even though you had no choice for what you wanted to do," try to understand what they were doing so that you can maybe give them advice that's of use to them, cuz telling them someone that their stuff sucks when they have no other choice is dumb

telling them issues with their stuff (especially their psu) gives them a chance to make a smart decision and get parts that will be less risky and in many cases wont put their parts at risk

i'm done clogging this channel with replies to you, farewell

[feral patrol]

this whole convo was was just, ok

i cant even pick a side because its confusing lol

but from what im getting, popcrn has been starting some discussions recently, though he nitpicks certain things

[topaz blaze]

on a more OT note, does anyone know if there's some spreadsheet of AIOs listing rad/fan size, pump generation, ect?

The nomenclature is awful outside of EVGAs

[fierce slate]

im pretty sure my raidmax 1200ae was worse than this and im pretty sure its better than that

[topaz blaze]

Caved and got one of the new chromax dh15s, couldn't bring myself to break my aversion to AIOs

[topaz blaze]

One month of being here?

haha joke about beig 1 month aio free 🙂 🙃

😂 I wasn't sure if you meant that coin

I'd be, uh...32 years AIO free. Better be a platinum coin

[cobalt lark]

Which would be better, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fFHvK4 or https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fmQD8M that

[formal briar]

what temperature should my 2070 be at? its a triple fan

rog strix

[copper patrol]

max 90

id keep it at 80 tho

[formal briar]

oh so 60 is ok

[copper patrol]

yeah

[formal briar]

sweet what about my 8700k

[copper patrol]

max 90 again

[formal briar]

aight sweet thanks

[copper patrol]

ye

[worldly heath]

I would suggest avoiding going over 80C for extended periods of time

on the 8700k that is

[copper patrol]

^

[dim vine]

is that f or c

[crystal kettle]

How@much is the crimson octane worth

Wrong chat

[copper patrol]

@dim vine all computer temps are measured in celsius

[dim vine]

thank you, i thought that was the case

[copper patrol]

yeahya

if it was fahrenheit we would all be in trouble lol

[dim vine]

i wouldnt be able to run anything

[copper patrol]

i dont think anybody could

lol

[merry crown]

zack you can actually measure it in Celsius or Fahrenheit

[copper patrol]

well sure

but pretty much any time youre discussing temps, people will say it in celsius

[merry crown]

It also depends where in the world you're in as well

[copper patrol]

where would you measure pc temps in farenheit

[merry crown]

There are programs out there that gives you the options to change it to Fahrenheit

[copper patrol]

the programs all probably default to celsius for a reason

[feral patrol]

everybody uses the metric system, only america uses their own

but for science even amERICA uses metric

[topaz blaze]

Celsius is by far the norm for pc temps in the US and elsewhere.

[feral patrol]

usually many people just see temps displayed in C in a lot of things in pcs

[merry crown]

@feral patrol there is about 6 countries that uses Fahrenheit while everyone else uses Celsius (UK uses centigrade instead)

[feral patrol]

my bad

i remember learning that a few countries used their own, then everyone else used celsius

[topaz blaze]

We still use Fahrenheit for weather, non science stuff in the US, have to use K or C or sicence stuff.
I wish we all just went 100% Metric. Jimmy Carter 2020?

it's so dumb, you can do most everything mentally with metric

how many inches in half a mile? uhhhh...ok calculator time

i hate having to deal with two systems cuz of my major, i do my school stuff in metric and then everything else in imperial

[worldly heath]

Isn't centigrade and celcius two names for the same measurement?

[topaz blaze]

Same honestly. Makes it deceptive sometimes when companies market BTU/ Hr, watts, horsepower, Kcal etc.

@worldly heath Yes

Somewhat related - one of my favorite wikipedia pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(power)
Really cool to see how everyday tasks like charging your phone (5W) to filling a gas tank 1,600,000,000 Watts stack up.

[topaz blaze]

my chromax dh15 arrives today pogchamp

[topaz blaze]

I got one of the LTT editions, lol

[cold island]

o

the black is pretty sexy

[topaz blaze]

i just happened to need a new cooler the same day they released them

it does look pretty nice in person, and i knew they were huge, but i'm still alarmed and worried that it'll bend everything

[topaz blaze]

Motherboard has cpu1 and CPUopt headers, I presume it's safe to use both fans on both these in lieu of the splitter?

Yes. Lol, I just plugged my D15's fans in that same exact way earlier today.

Inb4 "your wire management is lazy"

I have been tearing this rig apart so often recently I haven't felt like messing with it. But I'll fix that

Why the reversed fans? Not inherently wrong, just opposite direction from convention.

Apparantly I'm confused by the arrows inside the shrouds

I want it to pull air from front of case over fins out the back

I'll have another fan on the back

If you mean why a fan on the front, the I/O shroud on the motherboard won't let me fit the fan on the reverse

I'm braindead today, I see the fans now. I was in a rush to get it on

Is that a 2080 ti ftw3?

No, just an xc ultra

I didn't mean to mount the cooler upside down, but if I can easily swap the fans I guess it's all the same in the end. I don't want to take it back off

[merry crown]

That cable management

[topaz blaze]

Cooler can stay put, easy to just unclip the fans and re-attach the other way.

[glad hare]

@merry crown Its great support

[merry crown]

@slim hollow your attention is needed for the cable management pic lol

[glad hare]

The cables are just preventing gpu sag

[merry crown]

See that would be true if the cables wasn't going around the GPU

[glad hare]

Shhhh

[topaz blaze]

the cables aren't bearing any weight lol, i'll be taking it apart and cleaning the case fully inside and out, and properly routing the cables now that everything i have is staying there for the long foreseeable future

[topaz blaze]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/scythe-fuma-2-dual-tower-cpu-cooler/8.html

[worldly heath]

If I've got a 360mm rad on front of my case, and another 360 on top, both with noctua fans on them, should I put a 140mm fan on the back of the case as well? Or should I just leave the rear blank?

[outer sierra]

why are you putting 2 360mm rads onto your case? @worldly heath

[worldly heath]

I know it's overkill

[river gorge]

no such thing

[river gorge]

you have 2 90 degree fittings together on gpu block?

[worldly heath]

yes

without doing it that way the drain valve was getting turned into an inaccessible direction

[river gorge]

put that one 90degree on the drain valve 😛

[worldly heath]

there's a very good reason why I didn't do that

and that reason is that I didn't think of that

and now I'm not going to drain the loop to do that 😂

[river gorge]

😄

[karmic topaz]

how viable is soft tubing/hardline tubing my build if i have not built a computer ever]

[cold island]

watercooling is like 50% for the looks, i wouldn't water cool it unless its a several thousand dollar build

and top tier air cpu coolers can tie or beat 240/280mm radiators

[worldly heath]

as someone that just put together their first custom loop, I would advise against doing it when you haven't built a computer before

it requires a lot of planning and patience

I would completely disagree with what nuclear said though, a proper custom loop would never be outperformed by a top tier air cooler

he's probably getting confused with AiO coolers

[cold island]

yeah i was mainly talking about cpu coolers

but a gpu at 40c vs 60c is gonna perform nearly identical in games, just quieter and slightly better for overclocking

and a full loop is like $300-500, which you could use to bump up the components

[worldly heath]

my full loop was way more than $500

I think I spent about 500 on just the cpu loop, before I added gpu to it

it's a niche thing, totally unnecessary for the cost, but something that's fun to do, looks super cool, and is the best performance you can get

[limber dagger]

you can do it for cheap if you get the right parts

$500 can get you a top tier loop

[topaz blaze]

I strongly agree with all that, but *best 🙂

Can always build cascade hahaha

[limber dagger]

just stay away from EK

EK is incredibly overpriced

[worldly heath]

what does that say about corsair which costs more than EK?

[topaz blaze]

I've avoided everything EK so far only because of what I've heard about their customer service

Price - I don't see any massive differences worth mentioning between the major players

Kinda debating Ferrari/Lamorghini in some ways

[worldly heath]

I've got a lot of EK parts...

[topaz blaze]

Some people seem vehemently against them, what's your experience so far as far as quality control, CS etc?

[worldly heath]

haven't really had any problems yet

well I had one problem

but it was user error induced

[topaz blaze]

Their GPU block is the only 2080 ti FTW3 block availble to ship easily, not sure if primochill's bykski block is shipping from US

[worldly heath]

cross threaded a fitting cap that I couldn't see well, then in process of getting it out, it pulled out the threading/fitting that was built into the rad

[topaz blaze]

Was it G1/4?

[worldly heath]

but I was able to put it back in with no leaks

yes

also my gpu block was also only available from EK, no other brand supported it

one annoyance, the backplate didn't come with enough thermal pads

[topaz blaze]

I wonder what the origin of that standard is lol, g1/4 is equivalent to british standard parallel pipe afaik - not compatible with the tapered 1/4" NPT we have in the US

[limber dagger]

corsair at least has the performance to make up for EK

[topaz blaze]

On my cheapo chinese blocks, I just re-tap it myself or threadlock etc - but I wouldn't ruin a nice EK /heatkiller that way lol

[limber dagger]

corsair is just the best brands rebranded as corsair

[worldly heath]

in my defense, when I ordered most of my EK parts, I had a 15% discount

[limber dagger]

bykski is $150ish for a loop and performs very close to EK

[worldly heath]

rainbow puke result! I still can't get asus aura to work

[limber dagger]

heatkiller is cheaper than EK as well and the blocks are better

[worldly heath]

there's also the issue of availability

[topaz blaze]

I like what corsair did tbh - makes it very easy for someone brand new to WC to get all their parts from the same place and know they'll fit - they even let you order from outside, but use the configurator to match comatibility

[worldly heath]

I'm an american, living in Germany

[topaz blaze]

The only non chinesium watercooling part I have is a heatkiller IV cpu block haha

[limber dagger]

alphacool is available for you easily

they are german

[topaz blaze]

EK is Slovenian, but I bet availibility is great in DE too

[worldly heath]

yeah very quick shipping too

I heard that alphacool QC is hit or miss, that's why I didn't consider their stuff

[limber dagger]

I've seen EK QC being terrible as well

can't trust one single random case

[topaz blaze]

What you all's experience with primochill?

[limber dagger]

primochill? they're mostly known for their good coolants and tubing

[topaz blaze]

Seems so, I only have a bottle of their treatment fluid so far, I'm still getting a feel for what brands I want to lean twoards in the WC market. I'm a huge EVGA fan - looking for something like that

[cold island]

but anyway, for a first build i wouldn't go with watercooling or if i did soft tubing

[worldly heath]

even with soft tubing, it's a lot of work

[wide glade]

Need someone's opinion on these two things, I want to improve the cooling and reduce the overall noise from my PC when I'm putting it under a good load

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HK88YK6/ref=crt_ewc_img_dp_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AFRUWVWO3UJ63

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07T9LHFK4/ref=crt_ewc_title_dp_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AFRUWVWO3UJ63

[merry crown]

If you're buying a CPU cooler buy one for performance and not for looks

and also if the fan was to ever die out on you how are you going to replace it

[wide glade]

Good question. I will now yeet onto Amazon.

[topaz blaze]

$80 for a Noctua D15s is nice, there are ~10ish coolers in that "top tier air cooler" group

[wide glade]

I'm looking to stay in the ~$40. Might just grab a Hyper 212

[merry crown]

But what are you using anyways

[topaz blaze]

If you can get one on sale for $20-25, I'd say go for it, it's definitely a classic.
But if you want the best performance for $40 - look into a scythe mugen, maybe a gammax or budget noctua

[wide glade]

I'm using the stock 2600X cooler, and can't go with a Hyper 212 because after looking at my case's manual, max height is 157

[merry crown]

Well if you would save up a little more you can do with this one then https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-0005-00113

[wide glade]

If I take the case fans off my cart, I could get that, I think

[slim pagoda]

is this the way i should water cool?

[worldly heath]

Dang why didn't I think of that

Could've saved so much on coolant

[topaz blaze]

Pump is way too weak

You're going to want a nice 1/2 horsepower wasteking unit. Maybe a pond pump centrifugal

[minor mural]

Good idea? I feel like it's angled at 60° degrees

Also am starting to read guide about under volting

[limber dagger]

Guides dont help much in overclocking

Or undervolting

You need experience for it

[minor mural]

Oh your here as well and wydm by experience

[limber dagger]

experience is experience, you need to play around with undervolting to do it properly since no 2 chips are alike

each chip is different

once you play around with a bunch of them, you can get a rough idea of how they scale with voltage

although there's other things to consider as well which makes it more complicated

[minor mural]

Ok many thanks

[topaz blaze]

anyone know of a good PWM fan i can get for my CPU to replace this DC fan so my MB can controll the speed in the bios?

yeah i know the glass is dirty with finger prints its clean now tho since the pic was taken

i belive the fan size is either 80mm or 92 mm

the air cooler thats on it is from deep cool

the CPU is a Ryzen 5 1400

[mossy bough]

Ew

I'm gonna bully you if you don't clean that up

[copper patrol]

▶️ 6. Just be cool, we are all here to have fun and share our love for games and hardware. Don't be a jerk, jerks suck.

[topaz blaze]

its hard not get fingerprints on it when u have a 2 year old that likes lights and to touch things

[clever berry]

yeah zack

i mean zov

[copper patrol]

wow

[upbeat anchor]

is that an armor rx570 8gb from msi

[topaz blaze]

its an armor RX 580

from MSI

[upbeat anchor]

I was close

[topaz blaze]

with an MSI MB

B350M Bazooka

love my set up

except id rather have a PWM fan for my CPU cooler than the DC fan it came with

[upbeat anchor]

The reason I was so specific btw was because it looks exactly like my card lol

I have the rx570

[topaz blaze]

nice

i had to tie a cable around the heat pipe to hold up the front side of the card lol

[upbeat anchor]

Does it sag really bad?

[topaz blaze]

cause it flexes down due to weight

yeah

[upbeat anchor]

Ah

[topaz blaze]

only way to keep it straight

[upbeat anchor]

I haven't noticed any sagging in mine but my build is pretty new so i dunno

Couldn't you buy a bracket

I think they sell universal ones

[topaz blaze]

i could but didnt know where to get a good one

thats long enough

[upbeat anchor]

I think cooler master makes some

[topaz blaze]

that the heat pipe rest on

[upbeat anchor]

You'd have to browse around

I don't know much

[topaz blaze]

my build is about 2years old

[upbeat anchor]

Ah

I recently build mine

Although I think I could have done better with my budget

[topaz blaze]

when i get the rest of my retirement im going to build me a new system using the Threadripper 32 core

[upbeat anchor]

Looks like you want go all in

[topaz blaze]

yeah

[upbeat anchor]

2080ti?

[topaz blaze]

nope

AMD vega

[upbeat anchor]

64?

[topaz blaze]

the liquid cooled R9 i think

if its still avalible

[upbeat anchor]

Isn't that card from like 2015 iirc

[topaz blaze]

the one that has its own radiator

[upbeat anchor]

yeah the hybrid

[topaz blaze]

they got newer ones

[upbeat anchor]

oh

[topaz blaze]

i belive

there silver

as the old ones are black

and are vega series

ill have to look

but its not a cheap card

is like 600$ +

[upbeat anchor]

Like this?

[topaz blaze]

like that but liquid cooled i think

[upbeat anchor]

Oo nice

From what I see it's pretty powerful

[topaz blaze]

is supposed to be top of the line

and is crossfire supported

dont know if ill use 2 cards tho

1 i think is plenty

for most games

[upbeat anchor]

The pic I showed was the vega 64, let me see if I can find the watercooled one

I would say 2 is overkill

and it's not much of a performance boost

Is this what you meant? @topaz blaze

[topaz blaze]

yup

they got a gold one too

the pro

[upbeat anchor]

Silver looks cleaner imo

[topaz blaze]

AMD Radeon Pro Vega 64 Liquid-Cooled Frontier edition SN # 181740900027

its a beast of a card

[upbeat anchor]

Looks like a nice card

[topaz blaze]

and off course im going with corsair for my cooling fans and memory

and evea for my PSU

[upbeat anchor]

Sounds like s beastly build

*a

Right now I'm using an r5 3600 with an msi x570 A pro

I feel like I could have gone with a better gpu for the budget if I had cut down on the case a little

[topaz blaze]

nice

im running an R5 1400

im medically retired got injured on active duty

so i have time to watch my son and of course game once and a while

i like my Ryzen 5 1400

but i wana push some games to there max FPS

I'd only go for the vega if you're into compute. 5700/xt for gaming imo. 2060/2070 supers are close enough that driver/brand preference will be a consideration.

i play EGS and it puts my card from 58% to 90%

[upbeat anchor]

What's egs?

[topaz blaze]

Empyrion Galactic Survival

its still in Alpha stages

Early acess

[upbeat anchor]

Ah

Haven't heard of it

Is it a really intensive game?

[topaz blaze]

yup

[upbeat anchor]

If it's pushing an rx580 like that I would think so

[topaz blaze]

my card heats up quite a bit

my glass panel gets warm to touch

[upbeat anchor]

Wow that is pretty got

hot

[topaz blaze]

Ryzen🤢

[upbeat anchor]

[topaz blaze]

1000 paperclips is the way to go

[upbeat anchor]

OH GOD

NO

[topaz blaze]

Oof

[upbeat anchor]

Im scarred

[topaz blaze]

U cant compare 002 with ichigo

F

[soft kernel]

fellas

which one

[upbeat anchor]

idk what that is but

[topaz blaze]

Its literally their names in the anime

[upbeat anchor]

You should delete that before the mods go all

[clever berry]

thats borderline nsfw

[upbeat anchor]

also I don't watch anime so I wouldn't know

[clever berry]

sorry i had to delete

[soft kernel]

😦

[clever berry]

also intel ichigo 4 lyfe

[upbeat anchor]

You know theo didn't get ant to

want

[topaz blaze]

I loved that anime > darling in the franxx

I recommend it

[soft kernel]

watch why the hell are you here teacher

oh also what is the slope intercept formula?

[upbeat anchor]

[topaz blaze]

Oh ive heard of that one. Its on my list

[soft kernel]

it’s really short

[topaz blaze]

Im watchin farytale rn

[soft kernel]

i don’t usually watch anime

[topaz blaze]

Ya. I didnt either. But then i got into it. And its fukin addicting

intel eww

lolz

ill take AMD all day ty

[upbeat anchor]

I like and because budget

[soft kernel]

i’ve only really watched tokyo ghoul

[upbeat anchor]

*amd

[topaz blaze]

Tokyo ghoul also good

But pretty weird

[soft kernel]

tbh i really liked season 3

[topaz blaze]

I payed half attention when i watched it

Im pretty sure i skipped over the whole season 2 but I honestly dont remember

yeah EGS is very Video card demanding

till they work out all the bugs

and optimize it

[upbeat anchor]

Yeah I'd assume so

[topaz blaze]

u should check it out

[upbeat anchor]

My pc struggled to play a web browser game once

Because of how poorly optimized it was

[topaz blaze]

i got a server thats up i can show u the ropes

[upbeat anchor]

I can play overwatch at over 100 fps on high but can't get 50 in krunkr

I'm not on right now

[topaz blaze]

i rent a server from Nitrado

[upbeat anchor]

I'm out of the house

A server?

On egs?

[topaz blaze]

yep

[upbeat anchor]

oh

what's the game about exactly

[topaz blaze]

u can play on ur own system

but for multiplayer u choose a server

basicly its a survival game

set in space

kinda like space engineers

and 7 days to die

ur main ship gets blown up and u escape in a pod

and u have to craft and build things and kill aliens

[upbeat anchor]

Oh

[topaz blaze]

and make food

[upbeat anchor]

So is it an open world survival?

[topaz blaze]

yes

[upbeat anchor]

Is it like rust kinda

[topaz blaze]

kinda

and u have 3 factions 2 are nutral and 1 is enemy

and they attack ur base

[upbeat anchor]

ok

[gentle shadow]

Corsair or nzxt for a 240mm aio

[merry crown]

Corsair

[worldly heath]

Nzxt for shiny, corsair for performance and quality

[limber dagger]

Do you absolutely need an AIO?

For the looks?

I'd recommend an air cooler or an EVGA CLC if you're in for performance focused AIOs

[cold island]

and like an eisbaer one

[limber dagger]

I am reluctant in recommending eisbaer because I haven't found any new benchmarks on them from reliable sources

[cold island]

hmmm never noticed that

[ancient stag]

would

this be goood for ry

ryzen 5 2400g https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Freezer-eSports-DUO-Configuration/dp/B07MC8CRVZ/ref=sr_1_26?keywords=cpu+cooler+am4&qid=1572065202&sr=8-26

[merry crown]

@ancient stag for a 2400G you can use this to be honest https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16835856005

[topaz blaze]

So I got a question does anyone know where I can find a 500- 4000RPM 80 -92mm PWM Fan?

For my CPU cooler

It's the heat pipe radiator style

I only need the fan

I had a HP fan that was PWM but it died now I'm using a DC fan

And its annoying full speed all the time

And noisy

And that HP fan would go from 500-4000RPM

But I cant seem to find another anywhere

And I didnt write down the model and S/n to the fan before I trashed it

Silly me

[topaz blaze]

Any recommendations for a fan cpu cooler for intel extreme i7 on a budget?

[worldly heath]

what kind of budget?

[cold island]

i7 extreme and budget dont really go together tho imo

[topaz blaze]

this one was mentioned a few weeks ago and on paper looks really competitive, it's cheaper than the other major ones https://www.techpowerup.com/review/scythe-fuma-2-dual-tower-cpu-cooler/8.html

but a dh15, dark rock pro, any of those big dual towers will be what you want for that

for things that aren't AIOs at least

[warm comet]

AIO's coming soon from Aorus. See if you can find the hidden message.

[cold island]

[copper patrol]

i found it!!!1!1!!1!

can i have a cookie

[warm comet]

🍪

[copper patrol]

:0

[ebon delta]

Lmao it's like the first thing you see 😂

[warm comet]

I never said it was well hidden

[topaz blaze]

What’s the coldest has everyone’s pc ever gotten be

[gentle shadow]

Hey guys

Does the nzxt support a 280mm aio?

And is corsair the best choice for an aio?

[worldly heath]

Nzxt definitely has a 280mm kraken

And best choice AiO depends on what you're priorities are

[gentle shadow]

@worldly heath im looking for the best cooling performance

Ive seen some people switch out the stock fans with the kraken is that something that i should consider?

[worldly heath]

I can't remember off the top of my head, there's multiple AiO that have better performance than corsair, like the alpha cool "AiO"

But the price difference is also pretty large

As for fans, noctua is pretty much in a league of its own

[limber dagger]

The best performing AIO is 60DBa while doing it..

If you're fine with that go for the EVGA CLC 360

[gusty talon]

So I have my case fans plugged into the cha_fan 1,2,3.

1 is working but 2 and 3 aren’t

They’re different fans than 1 tho.

[topaz blaze]

Did you configure the fan settings in bios?

[gusty talon]

Idk what that is lol

[worldly heath]

You know when you turn your computer on, the first screen that comes up has something like "press DEL" for bios settings, it could be a different key depending on your mobo manufacturer

[gusty talon]

I’d have to mess with that for the fans to go?

[worldly heath]

There's software that can do it, but from my experience bios control is a lot better

[gusty talon]

Is PWM the best control type for case fans?

[topaz blaze]

Usually, ya.

[gusty talon]

Well I’m looking for some replacement fans. I found out the ones I have are Temperature Controlled and were told they were basically useless lol

[acoustic scarab]

I made a meme about my cpu temps, what should I do guys

This is what happens when I try to run bl3

I don't have room for a 240 in the current case

Give me some guidance

[cold island]

if it’s a locked cpu undervolt it maybe

[copper patrol]

dumb question but did you use thermal paste

[inland folio]

That doesnt look normal, I've never even hit 70c on my 3570 even after like 10hrs straight of ark/rust

[merry crown]

Should be asking when was the last time he replaced the thermal paste

because maybe by now the paste would be hard like rock

[river gorge]

true

[merry crown]

Also using a 240 rad is pretty much pointless with a locked i5

[inland folio]

Yeah there's no way his is getting to 80c under normal use, I'm using a stock cooler too

[acoustic scarab]

It's a k, the k got cut off

And it only gets that hot when I try to do stuff like bl3

It has thermal paste, but a fresh coat might help idk

I think I've decided on getting a 120 mm AIO for now

Basically I think the problem is that I can't get it tight enough?

[topaz blaze]

those screws are spring loaded, it's hard to do damage unless you do something really wrong

tighten the screws on your cooler in an x pattern, tighten one until it catches on the threads and move around in an x

[acoustic scarab]

You can't friggin tighten them, they just spin

I had to hold the other side with pliars and it was... Infuriating

I was lucky to even get it that tight

[topaz blaze]

what cooler are you putting on?

[acoustic scarab]

That there is a cooler master gemini s524 v2

It sucks lol

[topaz blaze]

uh

yeah that is likelyto contribute to the issue of high temps

[acoustic scarab]

Thinking about a Corsair h60 or something comparable

[topaz blaze]

that seems like a waste for an old cpu like that, that cooler costs more than the cpu is worth

i had a coolermaster 212 evo on a 3570k for years and it was fine

[acoustic scarab]

I don't have enough money for a while new CPU and all the works right now

I'm going to try to look for a highly compatible cooler so I can save it

[topaz blaze]

that's fine, but spending $150 on an AIO is going to be counterproductive

[acoustic scarab]

$60 nani

[topaz blaze]

$90, whatever

[acoustic scarab]

Probably not actually corsair, their stuff is dummy expensive

[topaz blaze]

i wouldn't waste my money on an AIO, i would just get this or something if money is that tight https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-hyper-212-evo-rr-212e-20pk-r2/p/N82E16835103099

[acoustic scarab]

If it's transferrable between PCs I will gun for the AIO

Long as it fits the socket for ryzen 3000...

[topaz blaze]

a 120mm aio is going to be a pretty weak performer on a hotter cpu like that

[acoustic scarab]

Pretty sure a 3000 would run cooler than this piece of crud

[topaz blaze]

and an h60 is not compatible with am4 it says

so you would be throwing your money away, an inexpensive air cooler will do what you need with a 3570k anyway

[acoustic scarab]

i don't need a h60 specifically and id rather not have to resell the friggin air cooler when I do eventually get an aio

[topaz blaze]

i have never had much issue installing any air cooler, even my dh15, i wish i could see what people are doing to tell them what they're doing wrong

i just think the particular cooler you had to put on is a pretty whack cooler

[acoustic scarab]

Yeah that's for sure

[topaz blaze]

it's this? https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/cpu-air-coolers/geminii-s524-v2/

i don't even know wtf they were thinking

cuz looking at that, and then looking at your cpu temps, the cooler is definitely going to contribute to the heat

[acoustic scarab]

Twas a different time

I guess.. an air cooler would be fine

I just wanna play bl3 man

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-masterliquid-lite-120-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835103236

This is compatible with anything I'd ever need

[topaz blaze]

a 120mm aio won't offer you much over cheaper air coolers, i would really get a 240 unless you need a 120mm cuz itx build or something

[acoustic scarab]

The case has a hot slot for ssds where a 240 could've fit

😔

Unless I just get a new case too....

My financials are odd. I technically could buy a whole new pc outright.. but I shouldn't

[topaz blaze]

i guess i won't be much help cuz i would just tell you to upgrade if that's the case lol

cuz compromising right now seems kinda counterproductive

if you can only get a 120mm cuz you have a case that limits you, then you're probably looking to upgrade the case down the road at some point anyway, which means you could get a 240mm aio or dual tower air cooler

but i buy stuff when i can afford and want it so we think differently lol

[acoustic scarab]

Monkey brain want buy CPU, mobo, ram all at once

Smart brain say "you probably shouldn't "

[topaz blaze]

if you can REALLY afford it and want it, i always say get at that moment

so my advice will lean that way

if you want something now, that aio will be ok but leave something to be desired on something like a 9900k

[ancient timber]

New setup

[acoustic scarab]

Never gonna get a 9900k lmao

A 3900x? Maybe if I won the lottery

[topaz blaze]

i think that aio would be a bit underwhelming on a 3900x

but that's just guessing

[acoustic scarab]

NO MATTER WHERE I GO I GET MIXED OPINIONS

AAAAH

Actually if I rearrange my case fans maybe I can...

[acoustic scarab]

@topaz blaze I'm gonna go with the one you sent, assuming it won't bump into my ram

[topaz blaze]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/scythe-fuma-2-dual-tower-cpu-cooler/ stuff like this is much nicer for not much more

but if you're only able to fit a 120 aio i'd imagine your space for something like that is limited

[acoustic scarab]

I already ordered the 212...

[acoustic scarab]

WAIT IT HAS THE SAME SETUP AS THE OLD ONE JEISHSJVE

BUT it has actual screws, so it should be fine

[autumn depot]

can anyone recommend me some good non-RGB fans for my computer that are pretty affordable

[cold island]

how affordable is affordable

[autumn depot]

idk

less than like $50

[cold island]

for 1?

or like several

[autumn depot]

several

[copper patrol]

you can get rgb fans for under $50

Thermaltake Pure 12 ARGB 5V Motherboard Sync/Analog Controller TT Premium Edition 16.8 Million Colors 9 Addressable LEDs 120mm Hydraulic Bearing PWM Case/Radiator Fan, (3-Fan Pack) CL-F079-PL12SW-A https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16835106557?m_ver=1

theres a pack of three

and its a great brand too

idk much about non rgb fans tho lmao

[cold island]

arctic makes some pretty good budget ones, these should perform better than the rgb ones for cheaper if u dont care about looks https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-0019-00009?Description=Arctic 120mm fan&cm_re=Arctic_120mm_fan-_-1YF-0019-00009-_-Product

[autumn depot]

alright cool

thanks bruh

[cold island]

noctua makes some of the best fans, but they are a bit more expensive

their a12x25's are one of the best 120mm fans period, amazing on radiators

[topaz blaze]

http://www.formulamod.com/bykski-b-hsrbw-ed-rbw-5v-3pin-soft-tube-program-kits-multiple-programs-customizable-modification-for-intelamd-cooling-kit-p1798698.html

is this good? program A

[worldly heath]

You can get a couple of noctua fans for $50

[cursive escarp]

How can you tell how many fans a mobo can power? I know the specs list the power draw but I just want to make sure I know how many it can connect to before I buy extra fans...

[subtle flower]

You can go into the bios, should have a hardware map. Most bios nowadays do

[merry crown]

A motherboard can power as much fans as possible if using a fan splitter as well

by default there is 2 to 3 on there which one is always for the CPU

most cheaper boards will have 2 while the higher quality types will have 3 so if you do not have a splitter for the fan header you can only connect 1 to 2 case fans on it and the rest would be from the PSU

[cursive escarp]

Ok thank you

[subtle flower]

I have 4 system fan headers I think

I do

4 x 4pin system fan headers

[topaz blaze]

it should tell you how many fan headers are on a given motherboard on the specs page

you can power chassis fans off other things, i.e. a sata cable with an adapter

[topaz blaze]

Can someone link me to a good cpu cooler

https://www.microcenter.com/product/610068/thermaltake-ux100-argb-universal-cpu-cooler.

Is this any good?