just spam f12 as the laptop is booting and you can select boot device
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
proud widget
Go to #general-chat and check the pins @shadow seal
shadow seal
got it. ill pass this off to the scalping recording discord as well
graceful elm
they said they get their stock on the 19th
late pine
nice
idk why they didn't just make more 5900x
seems like the yeilds for the 6 core ccx are fine
given how many 5600x they managed to make
fallen lynx
seems like 5800x is not a good value compared to the rest
fallen lynx
yeah, and there isn't that much difference between 5600 and 5800 for games
graceful elm
i do other stuff here and there tho, so hopefully more cores will help with those
fallen lynx
have you looked at the gamersnexus benchmark videos?
graceful elm
no
fallen lynx
also
$450 for 8 cores is quite a bit more per core than $300 for 6 cores
basically, gamernexus did the 5800 review last and their main conclusion was: for this price, WTF is the point?
graceful elm
He said a couple things in the conclusion about why you would get the 5800x
and most of it applied to me
so i think im good
earnest spear
You're fiiiiiiiine, as long as you're happy with your purchase! 🥰
late pine
lol what
naive pendant
Does anyone know if the Asrock B550M Steel Legend can run the R5 5600x without a BIOS update?
late pine
5900x is def a better value
honestly enthusiast community is hyper-focused on getting absolute maximum performance per dollar. But at the end of the day as long as you enjoy your computer that's all that really matters
cursive quest
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08J9PKJ4D/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabt1_IZXPFbJ0QTCK7
Is this a good mobo for a ryzen 5 3600?
Feel free to ping me btw
naive pendant
Don’t know anything about A serious boards
fallen lynx
@naive pendant there's no way to know what bios version is on it from the factory
naive pendant
B450 aorus would work
Ah I see. Probably better to return for something with bios flashback like b550 aorus then
fallen lynx
im pretty sure all of the steel legends can do bios flash without a CPU
but not 100% sure
fallen lynx
booooooooo
naive pendant
😦
cursive quest
I definitely need a way to change the bios
Unless I get a 2700x instead
But I'd still do the same mobo
I'd probably buy one that I can return on amazon and flash the bios
wintry shadow
can a ryzen 2600X handle an rtx 3070?
cursive quest
I mean, it can handle it, it might be slightly bottlenecked but I dont think too badly
If any
meager perch
Dark Hero hasn't dropped yet has it?
meager perch
Believe it needs a C-section, stat.
Just curious, not really an issue since I had no luck in the launch anyways.
gritty meadow
follow their social media @meager perch
the AIB's generally are very keen on posting there
naive pendant
Anyone know which version of the BIOS my mobo is most likely at if I bought it Nov 1?
Trying to figure out if it is updated for 5000 series
gritty meadow
@naive pendant ask the place that sold you the mainboard.
they are the only ones that have any realistic idea about the age of the stock in their warehouse
vast granite
Oh I should contact newegg for that as well
naive pendant
Got it off newegg:/
fallen lynx
somehow i doubt newegg support will be able to tell you that
gritty meadow
see above Buzz :)
naive pendant
Rip
vast granite
Lmao that is an oof
naive pendant
Guess it’s literally 50/50 for whether I can run new cpu
gritty meadow
@naive pendant which board is it?
vast granite
Along the lines of this if I flash the bios can I do that with the new cpu in the board?
naive pendant
No not if the cpu won’t work
gritty meadow
@naive pendant some boards can
naive pendant
Yeah some boards come with the updated bios
gritty meadow
which is what i am checking on yours right now
no no
some boards can UPDATE with the CPU (that does not work yet) in the socket
naive pendant
Oh for real?
naive pendant
Did not know that
naive pendant
I was thinking about returning and getting a diff board with flash button
Ok thanks!
gritty meadow
nope, you are out of luck on that board
it uses the normal UEFI for it
@naive pendant see above
and also see here
board that i remembered having the "dont care about CPU" feature
naive pendant
Ah that’s too bad
Thanks for the help though, might consider returning unless they release boot kits
meager perch
I don't believe the B550M Steel Legend supports BIOS Flashback. He could see if there is a sticker on the BIOS chip and compare it to whatever is the latest BIOS for the board to see if it has 5000 support out of the box.
gritty meadow
@meager perch i have checked, it does not.
meager perch
Believe AMD is still offering boot kits then, he could go that route if he already has the board and doesn't have an existing supported CPU
gritty meadow
he does not have the board yet
sorry, my bad.
that would be up to him. because he does have the board :)
gritty meadow
good to hear they moved that one forward
keen oar
yo guys if i have a b350 tomahawk with a 1060 6gb and 2400g do u think i should start upgrading with getting the 3700x
keen oar
yh
late pine
depends on what you are using your computer for and how much performance you want / need
keen oar
it would
i just wanna be able to play any games not necessarily highest settings and also do some work too
triple a games
gritty meadow
going from zen+ to zen2 is going to require that you check your mainboard for actual support @keen oar
naive pendant
if you're looking for immediate results get the cpu but if you want to consider more expansion in the future I suggest upgrading the mobo to something budget friendly like a b550
keen oar
yh i think I need to update the bios but im pretty sure it works
gritty meadow
(@naive pendant and yes, that is 2nd to 3rd)
keen oar
if you're looking for immediate results get the cpu but if you want to consider more expansion in the future I suggest upgrading the mobo to something budget friendly like a b550
@naive pendant ahh i see
gritty meadow
@keen oar just go to the manufacturers site and check
late pine
I don't see 3rd gen ryzen listed as being officially supported for the tomahawk b350
if you are on a tight budget, the b450 MAX motherboards from msi all ship with 3000-ready bios and are cheaper than the b550's
naive pendant
@late pine that or spending like 20-30 more dollars for b550
gritty meadow
but, might potentially lock you out of zen3 upgrades down the line
which is what @naive pendant is also hinting at :)
late pine
the entire selling point of the MAX series is bios compatibility, so I would be surprised if it weren't updated in the future
it is a tradeoff between garenteed compatibility and pcie gen 4 vs getting better value
just another option to consider
gritty meadow
again, there is no guarantee.
but as long as they are informed about it. yes, sure, go b450
late pine
you can put ark + cpu name into a search engine and it will give you the intel spec page
gritty meadow
that makes no sense @naive pendant with that label on it
late pine
naive pendant
on the processor there was a code that matches the 7900X
gritty meadow
@naive pendant please post the two pictures from yesterday again
naive pendant
gritty meadow
okay
from the top then
the kaby lake G part
that was a VERY special part
it was a collaboration between Intel and AMD
intel CPU with AMD GPU integrated
which has NOTHING to do with skylake
so, that part is clearly wrong
however, it can be fairly trivial to change the IHS (the metal you see on the second picture)
so until you actually get it booted and check what a bios says about it
we wont know for certain what it is
does all of that actually make sense @naive pendant ?
naive pendant
sorta but yea i do not know what is up with it, i only know it came directly from intel
gritty meadow
via e-bay
naive pendant
no from an engineer in intel
gritty meadow
i am sorry, but no
unless you found derp mcderp at the engineering department. The above is NOT a error you just make
late pine
all the kaby lake g parts were 8000 series not 7000
gritty meadow
its like taking a cat and claiming its a rattlesnake
naive pendant
family member but i do not know whyu he had it or when he got it
naive pendant
yea
gritty meadow
@naive pendant correct channel for it
re: FX cpu: Because their power use is silly high for the performance they grant
especially compared to what we have "now"
mild jackal
post a cpu-z screenshot
finite tiger
Has anyone heard pricing &/or release date details on the ASRock X570 PG Velocita?
mild jackal
windows update be like https://i.imgur.com/KZbYFpZ.png
haughty delta
Where would I ask about Ethernet, and stuff like that
gritty meadow
#electronics is where we normally hide that
haughty delta
Cause I'm thinking of using Ethernet with my B550 Tomahawk rather than a regular Wi-Fi connection, as Ethernet is generally faster
Ok
tepid aurora
So I just had a component melt through my mobo after buying a new psu and getting a 3090 installed.
Wish I could post the pic but I'm looking for some logic on what could nuke my mobo like that.
pastel monolith
the PSU did it but it could be the PSU or the Motherboards fault
gritty meadow
@tepid aurora just send the picture as a dm
tepid aurora
I'm thinking older ish mobo with 1000w psu and bad components sort of just overloaded it.
Tru
gritty meadow
what model PSU?
tepid aurora
Evga 1000 g+
pastel monolith
If you get a pic I want to see too fwd it to me
tepid aurora
Supernova.
tacit hemlock
Just about to ask you to do that naed lol
pastel monolith
omg the VRM gods have spoken lol
tepid aurora
Never have i seen a component nearly melt through a board. I worked on radios in the Navy never once saw this.
pastel monolith
I know I was kidding
tepid aurora
Asus maximus X hero or whatever from 2018.
gritty meadow
please dont kid about that, we wont ever hear the end of it from the cult following @pastel monolith
hmm
running a OC?
tepid aurora
Nope
gritty meadow
hmm
i imagine both Asus and EVGA would be interested in that
psu bought at the same time?
tepid aurora
Right. I hadn't gotten this from Newegg but figured best place to ask the question.
No just got psu this qeek.
Week*
tepid aurora
Yep
gritty meadow
please do yourself the favour and have a good long chat with both Evga and Asus
and please dont hook that PSU up to anything else :)
tepid aurora
Sounds like a good idea. I'll email them both. Little late now, but bought a new mobo 2 days ago that's going to be here tomorrow. This literally happened tonight.
gritty meadow
aye aye
gritty meadow
aye, your dice roll came up with "bad luck" on it
and that is basically all it looks like
pastel monolith
agreed
gritty meadow
its supremely annoying for you
trust me, i know
but that is also what will most likely make it a simple RMA ticket to get solved
tepid aurora
Yeaaaaah I have to go to bestbuy tomorrow to get a new cpu so I might just dump for another PSU too.
gritty meadow
i would not recommend you use the 1000w for anything
because you currently dont know where the fault is
tepid aurora
True. Return this PSU tomorrow and get a new one on the turn around.
gritty meadow
aye aye
tepid aurora
For sure. I'll be packing it up. This really sucks because now I'm panicked about the 3090 and the cpu.
gritty meadow
breathe
this happens sooner or later
but it does happen to everyone
some of us have just lost count of the number of times :)
pastel monolith
I think its an inductor
pastel monolith
nope broke is broke
gritty meadow
aye
tribal dust
I have a geforce rtx 2080(msi trio if that matters) paired with a core i5 9600k. Is it worth upgrading the cpu for 1440p 144fps and vr gaming? Occasionally beat saber will get fps drops which is really weird in vr. The little performance graph in vr is also just completely red during beat saber and other games. Thanks in advance for advice/tips
gritty meadow
and @tepid aurora i am sorry you had to experience this, but thank you for posting about it.
pastel monolith
@tribal dust that combo really shouldnt drop frames in beatsaber
tribal dust
Another issue then?
gritty meadow
Nilboggen / is it Zach that is big on VR?
pastel monolith
yeah but I also have like 4 headsets
tribal dust
It runs smoothly and only at certain times does it just suddenly start chugging along
pastel monolith
how do you play beatsaber through steam/oculus/or windows app store?
tribal dust
Steam store valve index
tribal dust
valve index
pastel monolith
do you know if you have super sampling turned on in both steam and beatsaber itself and do you know what it is set to like 1.1, 1.3, 1.5 etc
I have index also rarley get to use it as its mostly my wifes
tribal dust
I'm actually not sure, I haven't touched the settings so they'd be whatever is default
I can check
pastel monolith
so I would check that and make sure you arent over 1.25 with a 2080
I would also DDU the gpu drivers (it basically removes all GPU drivers) and then install the latest Nvidia driver
because you should have a really good experience and no frame drops with that gpu and cpu especially in beatsaber it isnt very gpu or cpu intensive
and should be looking at around 80-105 fps in most games at 1440p
if you wanted more fps for like a 144hz/144fps situation the 2080 would be what needs to be upgraded
I would also go into steam right click on beatsaber go to properties than local files tab and verify the integrity of the files
tribal dust
I checked steamvr settings and saw that resolution was at 200%.... Turned that down and will test when i get a chance
pastel monolith
great that actually might fix all the issues in beatsaber
then for the other part of your question its the 2080 you need to think about upgrading for more fps
a 3070 would be perfect but hard to get a hold of right now
cursive quest
I found a 10700k for 200 dollars, is it worth it?
pastel monolith
hell yes
tribal dust
Thanks for your help Nilboggen 😄
pastel monolith
still worth it but not as amazing of a deal still a great deal though
cursive quest
Should I go for it or a ryzen 5 3600?
pastel monolith
no if you can get a 9700k for $200 its better
cursive quest
Andddddd 119 shipping, knew it was too good to be true
frosty mantle
Do you think my local memory express would upgrade the bios of a new motherboard I buy for the ryzen 7 5800
vale oracle
Looking at upgrading my CPU, mb and ram will have to follow, and here are my options.
- i3-9100/F $185 Regular, $140 F
- i3-10100/F $200 Regular, $155 F
- Ryzen 3 3100 $170
- Ryzen 3 3300x $210
what would you guys reccomend?
vale oracle
gaming, legit i have no reason to really go ryzen because i dont do anything productivity related but
vale oracle
thats just whats in the range of not horrendously overpriced
i'm gonna choose MB based on CPU
high steeple
Ok
high steeple
So cad?
vale oracle
Canadian dollars or?
high steeple
Canadian dollars
vale oracle
nah NZD
vale oracle
CPU game is wack, goes from $220 i5-9400F to $290 for non F skew
vale oracle
is that the US webstie or
modest ice
Intel is an excellent value brand 
modest ice
No it's pretty good
modest ice
It's just the hype momentum and everyone's so happy AMD finally back at the top now
high steeple
And ur needs
runic current
yeah, depends...Celerons are pretty bad....
modest ice
It's a period of celebration
high steeple
Ye
modest ice
Celerons are what you buy now when you know nothing about computers and don't want to spend money buying one
runic current
AMD has really come a long way.
high steeple
55
modest ice
Zen2 was 15%
And now zen 3 is 20%
Over steam roller
Whitch was 15% over vishera
*which
If you add them that is 105%
But that's not how that works
You have to compound
high steeple
Yea
modest ice
So that's an additional 148% IPC over vishera
Roughly 2.5X more
So it's as though my FX8350 was running at a full 10ghz+
Without branch prediction penalties
It's about time I upgrade
Plus going to 5900X I'll have 3x the threads
vale oracle
G thats a good idea i should just get a celeron for like $10
modest ice
Whatever it is you're doing it's probably not worth it
vale oracle
lol
true
@high steeple so out of those CPU's i sent which one would you reccomend?
wraith frigate
Hi, there; Not sure if this is the proper thread for my question. I want to buy this Skytech Chronos Mini, https://www.newegg.ca/skytech-st-chronosmini-0072-chronos-mini/p/N82E16883289051?Item=N82E16883289051 But I am confused about the rear ports on the motherboard. Newegg shows the back panel having 8 USB ports, a PS/2 port and a DIN monitor output. When I look up the B450M/AC motherboard on Asrock.com it shows a stripped-down version of the same product, missing USB ports and PS/2 and DIN. Is the picture on newegg exactly what I will receive? Thanks.
potent shuttle
https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821167
I wanted y’all’s opinion on this memory at this price point. It’s on sale rn and I think it’s a good deal even if it’s Oloy but I wanted a second opinion
hexed bison
hey which is bigger xl atx or e atx, i'm not sure
gritty meadow
ATX or eXtended ATX
that should answer it for you @hexed bison
@wraith frigate have a chat with @glad socket they are the only ones that can help you with that
wraith frigate
Thanks @gritty meadow
gritty meadow
you are very welcome, just leave a message with them, and they will get back to you, when they are back in the office
gritty meadow
@vale oracle it is
gritty meadow
very thin tweezers can do the trick
gritty meadow
if you caused it yourself, you are effed either way
vale oracle
yeah lol
wise jackal
anyone know when the ryzen 5000 will be available?
shut wasp
will it bottleneck if my cpu is intel pentium r g3220 and gpu gtx750 ti?
wise jackal
@wise jackal they already released a few days ago
@fickle flax ye i know but i cant find them available anywhere
only on some sites for pre order
ok thanks
naive pendant
So Steve's new video says i should be using 4x8gb ram instead of 2x8?
So why has everyone here been recommending just the 2 sticks?
Would 4x8 gb of those gskill 3600mhz cl16 work?
coarse depot
for some reason mine doesnt
i run on a B450 board with 4 sticks of 8gb
rated for 3600
but the pc wont even boot 3600
and even when set to 3200
task manager says its 1600
really not sure whats up with it
even ICUE displays 1600
naive pendant
NA is asleep so I guess we won't get answers
gritty meadow
@naive pendant its a change that is exclusive to the zen3 memory controller
and its something that there has been ZERO noise about from amd
gritty meadow
when are you buying again?
gritty meadow
then just sit tight and wait
there will be MUCH more info about this in the coming days
naive pendant
Hurry up and wait lol
gritty meadow
because this is a MUCH bigger deal than you might think
gritty meadow
how do you think you configure workstations normally?
naive pendant
I'm the wrong person to ask lol
gritty meadow
just take a guess on how ram is configured in those normally
naive pendant
Uhh all 4 slots?
naive pendant
Yes sir
So the MIPS on the 4 stick setups were like 10% higher than the 2 stick ones
gritty meadow
aye
naive pendant
So that's good news if you're into that sort of thing
gritty meadow
10% "free" performance in the workstation segment is enough to say: okay boys, out with ALL the old, in with the new
naive pendant
Interesting times then
gritty meadow
and that is "just" from a memory stick config
so yeah, there will be a LOT more reporting about this
naive pendant
I mean, having to buy another 2x8gb of ram isn't free for me tho
gritty meadow
what i dont get is why amd has not mentioned a single thing about this
naive pendant
True
gritty meadow
you could go with 4*4
naive pendant
Seems odd
gritty meadow
(again, i cannot remember your current system specs etc)
gritty meadow
yes, so you dont currently have a machine with ddr4
so, technically, its just a choice of what kind of kit
naive pendant
I suppose it's a small price to pay if you're a productivity guy and this ends up making you more money
I'm glad I didn't buy my pc on release day lol
gritty meadow
keep in mind,, the 5600x is not slow with a 2*8 kit
gritty meadow
capacity wise, i would personally still go with 216 IF i didnt have the money for 416
32gig being minimum for a personal machine for me.
naive pendant
i guess you have different uses for your computer. But as a gamer it wouldnt kill me to have 32 so i could have a browser open in the background lol
And my store doesn't have a lot of options for 4x4gb
I still want to get a fairly high frequency like 3600
gritty meadow
specific grade of ram chip
naive pendant
Well looks like Samsung B-die is the best for ryzen
If that's true I hope it's what I get. Don't know how to check
This is neat. Even has my store. I guess thats how I'll know
bleak pebble
I have trident z rgb kit it works fine and its the number one ram on newegg
naive pendant
Yeah. I'm looking more at gskill ripjaws tho bc it's a bit lower profile. I'm worried bigger ones will hit my AIO radiator
feral jungle
can't find what generation of i3 it has so finding what mobo it is will be difficult
wind field
i went on newegg looked up intel core i3 and put in the speed of the cpu and only one popped up
feral jungle
smort
devout mothBOT
Billy_Bot_#2043 has been warned
neat estuary
Hmmm
How to gently break this bot it.
So GNs testing shows a 5% performance increase by useing all 4 dim slots instead of two. This is consistent results across the board
gritty meadow
@neat estuary scroll up, talked with Pipboy about it earlier
neat estuary
Ah. Just saw that. The problem I have with it is how difficult it is to stabilize 4 sticks. But with these results we don’t have a choice but to double up ram
wind field
finding the model its proving to be a little challenging
hey @gritty meadow its a refurbished computer it does not have one i contacted walmart and asked
im getting ahold of there 3red party seller about it
gritty meadow
best of luck
wind field
thanks
i was just wondering all of this so i can make sure this will work https://www.newegg.com/startech-35fcreadbk3-22-in-1/p/N82E16820130013?Description=NZXT Aperture M Card Reader&cm_re=NZXT_Aperture M Card Reader-_-20-130-013-_-Product
runic current
@wind field I agree with @gritty meadow get an external, you might even save a couple bucks depending on what you actually need.
wind field
i guess and its for a friend ill see if i can convince him out of it should be easy
wind field
i have 3 other empty cases
runic current
Well if you can't talk him into that then you can probably run dxdiag and get the model number of the actual computer, but there are other ways too. WMIC BIOS GET SERIALNUMBER being run from command line will give you the serial which you can then look up on the lenovo website. You could also run wmic csproduct get vendor, version or wmic computersystem get model
If you can drop me the serial or model then i can probably figure out if it will work.
wind field
yea it will be easy
modern shale
Guys what’s a good value psu that’s fully modular and that’s at least bronze or gold certified
languid rover
does ryzen 7 3700x support 3600mhz ram ?
magic cedar
Yes
pseudo oracle
Good lga 1155 cpu coolers?
Currently using stock and overclocking 2600k to 4.4 ghz
potent shuttle
Any of y’all have experience with Oloy memory. How is it
gilded linden
I have an odd question about connectors.
My mobo's 12v grb header is partially blocked by my thicker 1 fan EVGA 1660 ti and I'd to stick an rgb hub in my case in the near future. Are there any connectors/extensions that I could buy that connect from a 90 degree angle so that I don't end up sticking the wires in front of my gpu's fan?
bleak pebble
asus rog aura terminal or corsair commander pro
gilded linden
It's a Gigabyte B360m ds3h
I'm just wondering if there's something out there that I can just buy so that way things can be neater and less obtrusive. If not then I can find some way of doing something myself.
I'd post a picture if I could but my rank isn't high enough
hallow frigate
@gilded linden im looking at a picture of that board i dont even see an rgb headedr
oh wait zoom ing
gilded linden
It's below the pciex4
hallow frigate
your fan goes past that?
gilded linden
It's a 2.75 slot card so the plastic covering just blocks about the top half of the pins.
hallow frigate
prob need to find some sort of L shape connector
gilded linden
Ye but I haven't been able to find one. That or I'm looking for the wrong thing
hallow frigate
i would think newer mobo's put all the argb and other rgb connectors on the edge of the boards
gilded linden
I've had my machine coming up on two years... The box advertises Gigabyte's first version of their rgb fusion
hallow frigate
either that, you can maybe strip the cables and put one of those connectors on each wire and plug them in and you can make a bend
i dont know what its called but like how the case power button or case led has those single terminators
gilded linden
One day I'd like to switch to team red, but that day isn't today. In the mean time I'm gonna be getting my first 3d printer so I could make something myself if it came to it.
glass quail
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FKTZC4M?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 i bought this mobo and im not sure if i made the right choice.. lol someone help me out
kind hearth
Is a sabertooth x58 board good? Have seen alot going on ebay
main pulsar
why would you want x58 tho
silver pewter
So I'm needing to get a new mATX mobo. I was going to get a x570 board but there's only the ASRock one, but there are plenty of B550 boards to choose from. Should I go with a B550 board because there's more to choose from even though the X570 chip set is better?
neat estuary
x570 is only better if you need the extra pcie 4.0 speed threw the chipset which 90% of people will not have a use for .. If your just gameing then pick a B550
indigo blade
I have a question,i was playing a game,and my pc shut down,and for about 10 minutes when i tried to restart itit would load the bios load screen,you know hit f11,but then then nothing happened except for some colored lines on my monitor
i got it restarted and it seems to be running ok,i have never had any issues until now
fallen lynx
how old is the power supply?
fallen lynx
how old is video card?
indigo blade
1yr evga 2080ti hybrid
fallen lynx
normally, weird stuff like that suggests the power supply is the culprit. to get it to work, did you just leave it completely off for a while?
indigo blade
yeah after about 10 minutes it booted up just fine
fallen lynx
has it done this more than once?
indigo blade
this is the first time i have had any issues since i built it last year
fallen lynx
any idea what your CPU temps are?
indigo blade
they were 55 celcius
strong aspen
Buying Intel in 2020 is considered a crime
indigo blade
to 60
fallen lynx
if your CPU isn't overheating, then most likely order of parts going bad is probably 1. PSU, 2. Video Card, 3. MB or RAM
hallow frigate
@indigo blade did you update bios to latest version
if it crashed then booted straight to bios, maybe need update, or reset to optimized defaults, only setup xmp/docp and try playing again see if it crash, then if it does, check event logs in windows in case its OS problem
naive wyvern
indigo blade
no i mean when i tried to reboot it went to the msi load screen
then went black screen with a few colored lines on it
hollow thorn
@indigo blade if it only happens once, it's software being idiotic or windows being windows
imo
regal geyser
can someone help me in dms
regal geyser
😩
indigo blade
maybe i just unplugged everything ,blew it out really good,and then reseathed the gpu and made sure all connections were good
thanks guys
indigo blade
yeah,i will upgrade to a 3080 after the first of the year
ashen thorn
Seems like all the X570 motherboards on the Newegg website says the BIOS needs to be updated.
gritty meadow
@ashen thorn because newegg does not track their stock at a fine enough level to know when something was manufacturerd
ashen thorn
Okay
gritty meadow
you can get around it by using a board that supports no-cpu-needed bios upgrade
devout mothBOT
Ojii#1707 has been warned
uneven onyx
really
gilded linden
yes
uneven onyx
god damn it
anyways i was trying to say without any 'bad words' this time, i'm basically looking through builders at this point because of how the stock is for the 5900x's and i cant seem to find one that both has them in stock and doesn't force you to buy their basic graphics cards and 'junk'
about the only way i think i could get one without paying a scalper
also does anyone know if ddr4 2666 will be fine or is that kinda dumb
since apparently they can really take advantage of better ram
i've just got these 4 sticks laying around of 8gb 2666 from a build that got a doa thread ripper back when the first gens were on sale
neat estuary
I bet you cant find one in stock at all
uneven onyx
so im not sure
well i was looking on some of the builders and they do offer them and they're likely buying right from amd
so they dont need to compete with scalper bots
neat estuary
Oh if you mean prebuilts then that is up to you.. Id say you will still deal with a delay\
uneven onyx
yeah its possible for sure
my rig is old enough that i'd get 11 times the performance
fervent agate
intel i7 1900k dumpsters new ryzen, kekw
fallen lynx
It only beats new ryzen in RDR2, and not by much
uneven onyx
it gets dumpstered by the 3900x in most of the tests too
hard wadi
green terrace
Enjoy. 10900k beats it every game. I like AMD too, but the AMD zeal is ridiculous
New Ryzen chips, totally different story.
uneven onyx
are you seriously trying to source a video from may for chips that werent released until this month
get outta here fanboy
green terrace
The new chips are 5000 series, not 3000 series. If you're going to insult me, at least do your research first.
green terrace
Make baseless claims, get corrected 🙂
uneven onyx
not my fault the bot deletes source links
main pulsar
its because youre not level 3 yet
green terrace
You also can't buy the amd chips right now... so... yeah.
main pulsar
once you are level three, the bot will let you post links
heady root
the video linked earlier was with 3900x im so confused
which one are we comparing here
green terrace
it gets dumpstered by the 3900x in most of the tests too
green terrace
5900x, 3900x, and 10900k
uneven onyx
like you can see on these charts that even the 3900x does better than the 10900k in a bunch of the tests
intel needs to step up
hollow thorn
Lmao
main pulsar
those tests arent gaming tho
hollow thorn
Alright then
maiden valley
Hi! I just want to ask, I have a pair of T-force 3200mhz 2x8gb, can I partner this pair with another brand of 2x8gb 3200mhz ram?
green terrace
And you're making things up... again.
hollow thorn
@maiden valley try not to, but it'll work if they're running at the same speed.
maiden valley
Whats the down side if its different brands?
hollow thorn
Anyways
Eh, the concern isn't just because of brand, it's because of different dies different kits use
It's just easier to say get two of the same kits
uneven onyx
in the past i've used different speeds back when it was all ddr2 but it lowers the speed to the lowest ones
recycled parts and stuff
i dunno if modern ram would allow that at all though
hollow thorn
It lowers to slowest kit still, but there can also be weird compatibility issues with different ram kits.
maiden valley
i see
uneven onyx
actually do you know if using ram too fast for the board functions
hollow thorn
No
uneven onyx
dang
hollow thorn
Just doesn't boot
uneven onyx
i have these essentially useless sticks of 2666 laying around
hollow thorn
Ddr4?
hollow thorn
Old board eh
uneven onyx
yeah the 2666 was meant for a different build that went DOA and had to refund the whole thing
green terrace
I had a mismatched ddr3 kit a while back
It would only boot if they were in specific slots
If I switched the slots, it wouldn't turn on
hollow thorn
You should be able to get into bios with them if their jedec defaults is 2133
ocean phoenix
What are normal CPU temperatures? I've noticed my CPU has been running a bit hotter than normal recently, ~78 under load with spikes up to 85 and these zig-zags between 50-60 under normal usage like discord and google. Is this running a bit too hot? (Ryzen 5 3600)
green terrace
Stock cooler?
prisma nymph
what cooler are you using, stock?
green terrace
Generally a CPU will thermal throttle before it becomes unsafe.
ocean phoenix
Yeah I'm using the stock cooler
prisma nymph
could always just get like, a hyper 212
ocean phoenix
Yeah I was looking at one of those
Also for what it's worth task manager says that it's running at 4 ghz. When I go into the bios it says that it's 3.6 ghz like it should be, is task manager inaccurate or am I accidentally overclocking it?
prisma nymph
if you care about aethetics, could get the black version, or even the gammax gt for rgb
glad hawk
it runs lower on bios because it doesnt run any tasks there...not any heavy ones
now the jump to 4 may be the boost it can clock to. its triggered by a setting
dunno which one.
maybe just the power options on control panel. but i dont think thats worrying...
i mean except if you want it to run low when its not on a load thats reasonable
also are those F°?
ocean phoenix
It's Celsius
glad hawk
oh
hmmm
that does sound hot
better cooler it is
just so you know the maximum it can go is 4.2 ghz
prolly the stock cooler isnt the best for this one
still will run tho. just not as much juice out of it
ocean phoenix
Thanks for the help
tall stratus
hey yall i have a question, I'm thinking of a build with a RTX 2060 and i would like to keep the price down as much as i can so would any one have any ideas for a CPU thats a good cost for its performance?
tawny gulch
Ryzen 5 3600 is on black Friday sale last I checked.
glad hawk
no use if you arent overclocking tho
arctic tiger
Do you guys think the 3600X is worth the extra $40 or should I just stick with the regular 3600
unborn ocean
how do i check what mobo i using on my pc
arctic tiger
Not too sure but in some PC's you can see the logo on the Mobo through glass panel other time you can go into the bios and see
charred venture
open the side panel
unborn ocean
as gpu
arctic tiger
All PC's should have a bios
the first ones were in like 1975 I think
and you can just jeck from there
you can just look up how to boot into your bios on youtube
unborn ocean
im just gonna do that next time
arctic tiger
kk
unborn ocean
cuz that require me to restart my pc
arctic tiger
ye
glad hawk
or download specci.
depends on what you need the pc for
if the X actually has higher clock speeds then sure. if its only just unlocked for overclocking you should think if you will temper with it or not
unborn ocean
Intel Core i5 760 @ 2.80GHz 47 °C
Lynnfield 45nm Technology
RAM
4.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. P7H55-M LE (LGA1156) 47 °C
Graphics
256MB ATI Radeon X1550 Series (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM)
thx
just found out
crisp marsh
Hey
dusky pagoda
hi
tranquil wolf
i've got to say, MSI's RMA support is sorely lacking. I have RMA'd this board 2x for RAM slot issues and both times I have received it back in the same condition. I get 4 errors on each pass of MemTest86, and if I try to use the board in Windows I get random BSoD crashes. The same RAM and other components work fine in another board, so it's not an issue w/ those parts. It is the board for sure
torn raptor
Do new MOBOs sold on new egg ship with ryz 3 compatible BIOS ?
Im looking at the B550m steel legend which doesnt have flashback
and it'll be my first build
runic current
@fluid gorge I believe the c18 3600 will be slightly faster.
noble sable
i have 32 gb/4 sticks of 2666 ram
task manager says my speed is 1333mhz
is that normal
plain perch
did you check the bios
noble sable
yes, made sure my ram is set at 2666 with xmp
tranquil wolf
how many slots does your board have @noble sable
nm you said 4 sticks
something is not set correctly then, my 3200MHz shows in bios and task manager as 3200 so /shrug
vale oracle
gonna ask this again
What CPU should I get, keep in mind I mainly game on my pc, out of these 5
i3-10100F
i5-9400F
Ryzen 3 3100
Ryzen 3 3300X
Ryzen 5 2600
plain perch
if ur prone to buyer's remorse i say wait for rocket lake
vale oracle
for the price drop?
plain perch
that too, but i was thinking more for the faster cpu
wanton dew
Out of those, R5 2600
vale oracle
knowing pricing of new CPU's i'd say it isnt going to be reasonably price lol
Out of those, R5 2600
@wanton dew looked at a couple benchmarks, the 9400F seems to fair better than it
vale oracle
yeah
wanton dew
Damn
vale oracle
3300x looks to perform better than it too
think im gonna go with either the i5 or the 3300x
vale oracle
price scaling is horrible here
those 5 are the only decent CPU's
and thats before CPU prices start ramping up
$70 difference between the i5-9400F and non F
naive pendant
@vale oracle
Why not a 5600x
Should be more competitive in the future vs an older gen cpu
naive pendant
It's $300 msrp
naive pendant
Fair enough
I'm overpaying 100$ for the 5600x as well. Life of a europoor
cinder sphinx
what is/are difference(s) between rog strix b550 e gaming and b550 f gaming wifi?
naive pendant
Idk check the IO and features
vale oracle
Fair enough
I'm overpaying 100$ for the 5600x as well. Life of a europoor
@naive pendant i feel you there
cinder sphinx
does asus x570 e gaming have front usb c header support?
fluid gorge
all b550 boards support the new ryzen 5000?
cinder sphinx
Did some googling that MSI meg x570 unify has some rams issue like not able to have rams over 3200mhz even though it supported over that. Anyone knows anything about this?
plain perch
all b550 boards support the new ryzen 5000?
@fluid gorge my question is would it support ryzen 5000 out the box for new MoBos
hollow thorn
@cinder sphinx if it can't support ram over 3200mhz, then how did buildzoid do this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiCH2Lq9DcA
rancid hill
What’s the best cpu for an rtx3070
jovial kayak
anything thats an i5-9600k or better
blazing grove
Anyone have any idea when the 5000 series might be in stock anywhere?
plain perch
@blazing grove when u find out let me know 😦
vestal pier
hey!
quick question
will this combo work with my 1333hz ram, (ONLY TEMPORARY UNTIL CHRISTMAS)
fresh river
What’s the best cpu for an rtx3070
@rancid hill 5600x is a decent choice, that’s what I’m running
naive pendant
nice you got a 5600x
grand flax
will the B550-F AMD motherboard go well with the new AMD Ryzen 5 5600x?
blazing grove
What's the best motherboard?
I'm waiting for the new AMD processors to come back in stock
Wanted to get all the parts I need so I'll be ready when it's finally back in stock
fresh river
There’s no best motherboard, it depends on what you need
If you’re running a new 5XXX CPU, go for a B550
daring arrow
Question: I bought a 5900x then i purchased some tridentz royal 4000mhz ram. Now im reading that this ram is only good with intel. help pls
naive pendant
is it compatible with your motherboard
the 5900x should work with it
does your system boot
fresh river
daring arrow
I havent recieved it yet. A friend of mine was looking closer at the specs page and saw that it says works with intel xmp
naive pendant
it will work
when it means intel
it means the overclocking of the ram
uses a intel chip
fresh river
I’ve never heard of ram not being compatable with everything though
tacit hemlock
Its just branding, you're fine
naive pendant
it has nothing to do with it not working with ryzen
daring arrow
so i should still be able to get the 4000 mhz speed ?
naive pendant
yea
tacit hemlock
Yes
naive pendant
that intel saying is basically saying it uses a intel chip to work
not that it doesn't work with ryzen
everything should work fine
daring arrow
Ok next question. will it drop in and run at 4000?
naive pendant
most of the times no
you will have to go into bios and set it to 4000
almost all times if you drop ram in it wont run at the marketed speed
you have to set it yourself
daring arrow
Ok well I appreciate the help fellas.
naive pendant
welcome bye
wind field
why was that text in red?
crystal briar
I think Discord is having some hiccups right now
wind field
no kiding
crystal briar
text in red usually means your message wasn't sent, you should be able to try sending it again
wind field
it started when i asked about a motherboard and bitcoin mining
what i asked was is this a goofy idea buying a raspberry pi to try and bitcoin mine on it?
blazing grove
If you’re running a new 5XXX CPU, go for a B550
@fresh river
So I noticed there are many models of the B550 do you have any recommendation?
I am planning to use 5XXX
fresh river
My recommendation is always the MSI MAG tomahawk or MSI B550-a PRO, but I just like MSI a lot
You might need a BIOS update however
blazing grove
MSI is good though
fresh river
I know lol, some other people just prefer asus or other brands
My recommendations are usually MSI though I also like their software too
blazing grove
Who would be most reliable?
hollow kraken
what is the best motherboard for compatibility for a ryzen test bench
fresh river
Most mainstream boards are reliable, I would still say MSI
rugged sierra
they are all pretty reliable i mean all the companies are there for a reason
blazing grove
Tomahawk or gaming plus?
crystal briar
Any reasons why the MSI MEG Ace wouldn't be okay for the 5000s?
fresh river
The only issue I had with MSI is a. I decided to overclock my laptop cpu to max on afterburner and my laptop bluescreened, and B. I needed replacement fans which took 3 months to ship from china
rugged sierra
i would say that you really need a bios flashback button
blazing grove
There's so much to choose from
fresh river
Whats your price range?
blazing grove
I'm my build or motherboard?
hollow kraken
laptops should not be overclocked
fresh river
I learned that the hard way dw, and build
blazing grove
1.5k-2k
fresh river
Tomahawk
Its higher quality and you'll have 2.5 gigabit LAN support, if you have that of course
rugged sierra
just look for the boards with a bios flashback because some of the mobos bont dirrectly say that they support the new generation out of the box
hollow kraken
msi is probably the best at naming their mobos
blazing grove
I want to achieve good speeds at least 60fps or greater
fresh river
Tomahawk does I believe, because I need to bios flashback
rugged sierra
well yeah i would say that ROG is second in line
fresh river
ROG is overpriced typically
rugged sierra
yes
blazing grove
Yeah
rugged sierra
but they have good names
fresh river
Not to say it isn't good, but it just is more expensive
blazing grove
I only have my case so far and I still have to pick that up
rugged sierra
and their strix gpus are good
hollow kraken
not really
rugged sierra
i can give you a list
fresh river
Wayyy to pricey
rugged sierra
i mean i tend to only buy things when they are on sale or i have a coupon
fresh river
Good luck finding a R9 5900x, its got limited stock
blazing grove
I was also considering going for the i9 10900K
fresh river
Do not go i9
blazing grove
Why
fresh river
My 5600x has better benchmarks than an i9 for $200 less
rugged sierra
go with something like the 5800x
hollow kraken
so im looking for a mobo that will be compatible with zen to zen3 cpus
rugged sierra
it is cheaper and there is a lot more room for stuff like astetics
as well as periphs because you would be using a 3080
blazing grove
Cool so would tomahawk or gaming plus be newer model?
rugged sierra
unless you really need the extra cores and threads
fresh river
Tomahawk I believe? not 100% sure which is newer
blazing grove
I'm doing streaming and some music production too
fresh river
I heard the 5800x isn't good value, but I could be wrong
blazing grove
Maybe some video editing or animation later on
rugged sierra
i dont remember but just make sure that they have a bios flashback button because you will need to update the bios because i am pretty sure that none of them ship 5000 ready
rugged sierra
but i would say that if you are streaming and video editing it would go either way but i mean how much do you care about rgb because if you dont care about it then i would save the money and go with the r9 5900x
blazing grove
But I know if I wait I can get gen 4 processor eventually
rugged sierra
yeah i would just go with the 5700x or 5800x because those would be the best for what you are doing
and your budget
blazing grove
Well it's not not as much as I remember
rugged sierra
i am going to put together a list so wait a minute
rugged sierra
wait what your budget
fresh river
I am confused how BIOS updates will work with the b550 mobos tbh, If I only have a 5600x and my mobo needs a BIOS update to run am I just screwed
rugged sierra
you should check if it has a bios flash back button
fresh river
It does, I don't really know what that means besides t he fact t hat it has onwe
rugged sierra
it means that you can update the bios without ram storage, or even the cpu
fresh river
Ah I see, thank you
blazing grove
Ah that's cool
rugged sierra
but look up how to do it before you do
fresh river
blazing grove
Yes
fresh river
I believe the b550 would have it then, I remember seeing it does just need to find where
blazing grove
New name
I'm component illiterate
It's only because there's so many parts to choose from
vast granite
Cpu is en route 5600x letgo
blazing grove
How
forest plaza
When 5800x gonna be In stooooooockkkk????
blazing grove
Next year probably
forest plaza
Oof
blazing grove
😩
rugged sierra
i mean i would try to find one in an in person retailer
blazing grove
So you're saying I should go for the ryzen 9 5900X if I'm gonna be doing pretty much everything
forest plaza
I got a dead dimm slot so I'm switching to Amd and I want to get a better processor than an 8700k
rugged sierra
i mean you dont have to i am going to put together a list that uses it for about 1700
blazing grove
Okay
main pulsar
why 5800x?
blazing grove
I have case already I went with the corsair 4000D
main pulsar
am curious
blazing grove
I think they left you might try quoting them
fresh river
took me forever to find but here is the flash bios on a tomahawk
rugged sierra
i am just saying it because it is like the 5700x but higher clocks
main pulsar
there is no 5700x
fallen lynx
bios flash button is usually on rear I/O
fresh river
Yeah its someewhere on the I/O shield
rugged sierra
oh i forgot
main pulsar
5600x is the best all around cpu for the price, 5800x makes no sense for anyone to buy, 5900x or 5950x if you're doing multithreaded workloads that aren't gaming
rugged sierra
okay
main pulsar
or 5900x for gaming if you have like a 3k usd budget
fresh river
5800x is for if youre desperate for a CPU and can't wait
fallen lynx
5800 cost per core is the worst in the whole launch so far
fresh river
^^^
analog sierra
When is the Asus Dark Hero going to go on sale?
forest plaza
O then I'll prolly get 5900x not big deal
cinder sphinx
quasi flame
I have a b450 tomahawk max should I get a 5600x or a 3600?
clear compass
I'd rather choose a 3600 or save some money for a 5900x
gritty meadow
you should wait for bios support @quasi flame
clear compass
Yeah, bios support is thought to be coming early next year for b450 and x470 motherboards
gritty meadow
if that wait is too long for you. then you can either buy a zen2 chip OR upgrade to a b550/x570 board and then go with a zen3 chip
those are the options IF you absolutely need to upgrade
topaz reef
@quasi flame get the 3600 and upgrade later
@cinder sphinx id get a radeon 6000 series if your programs dont need nvidia for gpgpu
also that psu and mb are a bit overkill to say the least
wind field
what really is the point to having a raspberry pi?
gritty meadow
that is a question that is simpler to answer by pointing you at google
there are simply too many uses
gritty meadow
depends on your needs
bitter garden
hey since your talking about raspberry pi's is it true you can have one as a temp monitor inside your case?
gritty meadow
yes
wind field
i am thinking of one as a recipe database
vast granite
so to flash the bios with the button I dont need to have anything besides power plugged in?
faint ferry
How much ram would you need for gaming and streaming?
vast granite
5600x is arrived
granite void
Anyone know what bios the ASRock B550 Steel Legend comes with? Will it work out of the box with a 5600x or do I need to buy another zen 2 to bios flash it?
livid frigate
it probably depends on when it was manufactured.
neat glacier
@hollow thorn ik u have a lga 1200 (z490) mobo tier list, do you have one for x570?
livid frigate
looks like first bios support for amd Ryzne 5000 series was back in august
hallow frigate
should always just update anyways to get latest version
tacit ember
I'm sad that the third party stores selling through newegg are scalping/upselling the ryzen 5000 series cpu's
gritty meadow
@vast granite depends on the mainboard.
granite void
Yeah just don’t want to have to buy a zen 2 just to update my motherboard to zen 3
Since it doesn’t have the usb instant flash thing on the mb
gritty meadow
@granite void cpu loaner kits or visiting a local pc ship is an option
gusty saffron
so, is b550 or x570 considered the "premium" version of the am4 mobos?
cause i see a ton of b550s of the same branding, for example asrock taichi, that are more expeensive than the x570 counterparts
shadow seal
x570 are usually more feature rich. the B550's have some newer design
gritty meadow
there is about a 40usd split between decent b550 and decent x570
candid vale
how much better is the 3600 than the 2600x?
gritty meadow
its your choice IF you want/need the features that x570 offers over the b550
gusty saffron
gotcha, but the x570 being cheaper would just bet better all around lol
vast granite
@gritty meadow understood I'll do research
hollow thorn
@neat glacier you want the vrm tier list..?
neat glacier
Yes
meager blade
Is an I5 7600k good for the price of 150 euros?
If not to how much should I try to get the price down?
wind field
What raspberry pi work good for a recipe database?
stoic wolf
How long do you all think before 5000 series are regularly in stock?
hot folio
What raspberry pi work good for a recipe database?
All models of the Raspberry pi (personal experience with 2, 2b, 3, and 3b, but 4 is way more powerful) have enough power to run a sqlite or mysql database - checkout online tutorial on setting up the pieces (personally I would suggest Python and sqlite using Flask)
errant lily
has anyone been lucky enough to get the AMD Ryzen 5000 series?
heady root
lots of people
errant lily
bruh, i work at best buy and when it launched, it automatically launched as "sold out"
thin mica
a best buy guy in a newegg dis
errant lily
meh, i honestly dont like shopping at bestbuy, just do it for the discount
thin mica
high iq
gritty meadow
@thin mica no need for language like that.
errant lily
he's fine @gritty meadow don't worry
gritty meadow
@errant lily consider this: local availability is not a very good indicator of regional availability
neat estuary
I had a chance at the 5600x but I want the 5900x.. SO i passed
gritty meadow
Mind, i am NOT saying the availability is fantastic. It is not.
errant lily
from what was being talked around, best buy wasn't even going to launch it because of black friday and whatnot, there might be a delay for maybe a couple weeks
thin mica
6 cores 12 threads is ok but 12 24 just better
errant lily
true but the gaming performance is the same. Unless you're doing photo/video editing, the 5600 is fine
neat estuary
I would buy a 5700x if they dropped one.. But that one will be in highest demand when they launch it
hallow frigate
will never go back to anything below 12threads and i dont do any photo editing
thin mica
ya