#cpus-mobo-and-memory

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main pulsar
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like, is this going to end up being more of a general purpose workstation, or is it strictly going to be a render box

modest ice
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CUDA, now that's a tryhard acronym if I ever seen one

modern shale
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Ayo I have a ryzen 7 2600x, bought it for 200 bucks with promos and stuff, but is it a decent cpu?

main pulsar
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u mean 2700x?

modern shale
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Yea my b

main pulsar
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yeah, thats p good for 200

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3600 is the same price tho

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so it just depends on if you need better IPC or the extra 2/4

modest ice
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Ryzen 2700x will be relevant for another 3 years at least

modern shale
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That’s good to hear

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I just bought the Radeon 5600xt but idk how long that’s gonna stay relevant

modest ice
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You're good

main pulsar
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5600xt is a good card too

modest ice
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That's the value sweet spot

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It can be argued that it is current gen

modern shale
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I was gonna get the 2060 but it didn’t go down in price but went up and didn’t have any deals/promos

main pulsar
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it is techincally current gen lol

lofty socket
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but the other reason I wanted the 980s is because its the most modern gpu with an analog signal [dvi-i] and when I run stuff like dosbox or retroarch I wanted it to be as close as the original experience as possible

main pulsar
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but even after navi 21+, it will remain as amds low end

modest ice
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@lofty socket I didn't know these things could have an impact

main pulsar
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@lofty socket are you running crts off the DVI-I ports?

lofty socket
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ye

main pulsar
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then thats a good reason

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what is your budget for the system

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do you already own the 980s?

lofty socket
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yeah I already have the 980s and the sli bridge

modest ice
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980's are still nice card if you don't care about power efficiency

main pulsar
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and are there any other components you have that could be useful?

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like psu

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case

chilly shore
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how viable is running multiple cards, like for example if Sevilla ran their 980 for dvi and some other card for a different monitor to runs modern games and stuff?

lofty socket
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I just need to upgrade to gen 3/gen 4 ryzen since I'm still on a gen 1 2600

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but my b350 mobo is also outdated

main pulsar
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oh, so you already have most of a system

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is it a mATX or ATX board?

modest ice
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Heh, I'm still orcking a FX 8350

lofty socket
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matx

main pulsar
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what psu and ram are you running?

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if you know

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oh, so is the case matx as well?

chilly shore
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fx 9590 here, purchased just a few months before ryzen launched :P

modest ice
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Hah

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I got mine in 2013 so I got my money's worth on this thing

chilly shore
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it was 50 bucks more and I was dumb

modest ice
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I have every part for my next build except for the CPU and VGA

lofty socket
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I picked up an evga 750 w psu that was rated at 80+ gold on midweek madness so that should be coming in the mail, rn i'm on a 500 w psu @main pulsar

modest ice
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500w PSU with 2x 980's?

lofty socket
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just 1 980 atm

main pulsar
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which ram and case?

lofty socket
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my current board doesn't have 2 pci lanes

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Coolermaster Masterbox 5

main pulsar
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ahh, beeg atx case

modest ice
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Sassyfish went from nearly insulting you to becoming your research assistant

main pulsar
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lmao

lofty socket
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and Corsair Dominator 3200

main pulsar
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3200 is good enough for modern zen 2 and 3

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older ddr4 was limited to 2666, so i wasnt sure if the ddr4 you had would have been too slow or not

modest ice
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I bought 3200 for 5900X

lofty socket
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yeah I picked up this kit pretty recently since I only had 8gigs of ram at the time so going to 32 was a big stepup

modest ice
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Memory speeds are overrated IMO

main pulsar
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yeah thats good

lofty socket
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well Gen 1 ryzen gets a significant boost depending on the memory speed

main pulsar
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nowadays, memory bandwidth can be the bottleneck of your system if youre not careful

modest ice
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For a 2x 16GB kit you'll pay out the yin yan for 3600 and up

lofty socket
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the old memory I had in this was 2133 so going to 3200 I saw an 8% increase

main pulsar
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memory speed isnt the whole story tho

lofty socket
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it's not cl16 unfort though

main pulsar
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is it like cl18 or 19?

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thats fine if it is

lofty socket
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yeah cl18

main pulsar
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oh, are you running 2x16 or 4x8?

lofty socket
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2 x 16, my current mobo only has 2 slots on it

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so i can pick up another kit down the line

main pulsar
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ahh, if it was 4x8 you could legitimately puck up a cheap x299 motherboard lol

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and hunt for a good deal on an intel cpu

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flex that increased mem bandwidth, as well as get a much cheaper motherboard

lofty socket
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Well going to x570 also gives me increased bandwidth

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and it's in the budget

main pulsar
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not in the same way x299 does

lofty socket
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that's true

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But I wanted to be able to get either a r 5000 series or if they get scalped something in the gen 3 line during november sales

main pulsar
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yeah, plus, hunting for a well priced 2066 cpu is a pain

lofty socket
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all my workflows are multi core as well so it's just better value going ryzen

hollow thorn
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uh?

main pulsar
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uh

hollow thorn
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y x570-pro

main pulsar
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SLI support

hollow thorn
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issa expensive mobo

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ah

main pulsar
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yeah

hollow thorn
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brb

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lemme check thingy

main pulsar
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okok

lofty socket
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o its also white so it matches my 980s

hollow thorn
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I come back with suggestions soon maybe

main pulsar
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so that board plus a 3900x is 670usd
whereas an x299 board plus a 9920x is 594usd

hollow thorn
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could've sworn aorus pro wifi was 200$ lel

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it's not

modest ice
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Is a 9920X really the value option now?

main pulsar
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12/24 for 440

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plus cheap af motherboards

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waiiiiiit

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amazon lies

modest ice
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$1,719.99 CAd for 9920X on newegg

main pulsar
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actually its a 7920x

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for 440

modest ice
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=/

main pulsar
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still 12/24 tho

modest ice
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vs a 2600 not that great of a deal

lofty socket
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I'll probably try to flip my ram so i can get a white kit to match if I go with this asus board

main pulsar
modest ice
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I'd keep a 2600 over a 7920X I think

main pulsar
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core count over architecture tho

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but x299 is a dead end platform

modest ice
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My multicore workloads are somewhat light

main pulsar
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so x570 has the benefit of using up to the 5950x

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Zen 4 support would be nice

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plz amd

hollow thorn
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no

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sassy

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you want to try getting ddr5 in ddr4 dimm slots?

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because you can

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:P

main pulsar
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lmao

modest ice
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If I spent any sizeable amount of time working on highly threaded loads I'd go for a 5950X for sure

main pulsar
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is zen 4 on DDR5?

lofty socket
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oh what, why are there x370 boards with sli support

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lmao

hollow thorn
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It's supposed to be

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AM5 w 5nm & ddr5

main pulsar
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because x370 was once top of the line too

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oh were getting am5 next???

modest ice
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And possibly SMT4

main pulsar
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i actually didnt know

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owo

hollow thorn
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4 years on am4

main pulsar
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like power pc

hollow thorn
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so am5 next

main pulsar
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but x86

modest ice
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AFAIK x86 compatibility is just a sort of feature now

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The modern CPU's are really something else

main pulsar
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well yeah, x86-64 whatever

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i just roll it all into x86 becasue its easier than listing off every additional instruction set

modest ice
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Or we can pretend that RISC chips will replace our battlestations

main pulsar
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RISCV when

modest ice
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I'm more into the camp that believes that complexity will increase further

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As we've seen with ARM

main pulsar
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most definetly

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cant wait for AVX1024

split copper
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just simulate RISCV on x86

main pulsar
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#AVX1024gang

modest ice
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It just becomes more poer hungry with time and it's major selling point starts losing its appeals

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With AVX1024 I'll be able to play Duke3d in actual 3d, I can't wait

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It will be worth all of the thousands of dollars

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Like playing quake 2 with lighting

main pulsar
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lol

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so @lofty socket you have a few options, expect to pay ~700 for this upgrade tho

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both intel or amd are fine, it just stinks that SLI support is so expensive

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also whats the spacing for the SLI bridge you got?

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if its not a flexible cable, then your board choices are further limited

lofty socket
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oh i have a flex cable bridge

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900 was around my budget for everything

main pulsar
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well priced, sli support

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you have a 2600, so if it doesnt have an updated bios, you can update it yourself

lofty socket
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I have a 1600

main pulsar
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and you get the benefit of cheaper amd cpus

lofty socket
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lmao

main pulsar
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1600, thats fine too

lofty socket
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but I'm also upgrading the processor

main pulsar
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yeah, you might need the old cpu to update the bios to support the new one

lofty socket
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does x470 have r5000 support

modest ice
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Allegedly some do

thin mica
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If you upgrade your motherboard unless you want a ryzen 5950x chip a b550 motherboard should do more than fine yet cheaper.

lofty socket
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does b550 support sli?

hollow thorn
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some

main pulsar
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its a little more complicated than that rn

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that x470 is the cheapest board i could find

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with sli support

thin mica
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sli is dead now though

lofty socket
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only for gaming

main pulsar
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once again, its a little more complicated than that

thin mica
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ya

lone oar
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Guys is 32 gigs good for Ryzen

main pulsar
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this board plus a 3900x should be fine, besides the 5900x is 100 more

honest prism
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too much for regular use

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@lone oar

lone oar
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Gaming

honest prism
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gaming..

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its enough

main pulsar
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16gb is plenty

honest prism
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16gb is enough

lone oar
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I want overkill hehe

honest prism
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just never go under 4 shivers

lofty socket
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I'm probably gonna go 3700x then worry about going 10+ core when black friday/cyber monday roll around

lone oar
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I need 64 plus for Google chrome though

main pulsar
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dont expect crazy deals on cpus

lofty socket
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not crazy but i'll get paid again around then

main pulsar
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you would be better off paying up front now

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you could even stick with the 1600 for now

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then when you are ready, get a 3900x

lofty socket
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I think going x570 is the play since it'll give me the most flexibility

main pulsar
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the chipset means nothing

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all it does is handle extra IO devices

lofty socket
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I mean I'm filling a lot of lanes with 2 gpus a capture card and a 10 gig card for my nas

main pulsar
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oh?

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are the gpus 2 slot?

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and are the other 2 devices PCIe x1?

modest ice
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8GB is no longer enough for me to game

lofty socket
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oh there's only 3 slots on this mobo

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hmm

main pulsar
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how about this?

lofty socket
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oh the asus prime board i'm looking at has the same layout

main pulsar
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yeah, but thats 240

lofty socket
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I'm okay with spending up to 300 on a mobo

main pulsar
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yeah, but you really dont need to

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that refurb board on ebay will do just fine

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if it had issues, or if it didnt work just fine, they wouldnt sell it

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its not like its haunted, its just plastic and metal. used components are the best

lofty socket
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I'm also trying to avoid msi parts if I can after what happened last month

main pulsar
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?

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dont worry about branding

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all companies build products to a certain spec

lofty socket
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Its not that

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I don't want to give msi my money

main pulsar
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lol why

split copper
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just buy a used MSI part then lol

main pulsar
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yeah, you arent even buying that from msi

lofty socket
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the whole having one of their subsidiaries sell scalped 3080s left a bad taste in my mouth

modest ice
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I never buy refurb

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I work in an industry that refurbishes

main pulsar
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oh, so you fell for all that hot air clickbait garbage?

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its not like that at all

lofty socket
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refurbed msi parts come from that subsidiary

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I'd rather not

modest ice
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I still have a positive opinion of MSI

main pulsar
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modest ice
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I just have a very negative opinion of refurbs

main pulsar
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eod

reef fog
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Wasn't that disproved?

main pulsar
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ive been buying components off ebay and craigslist for years

modest ice
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Refurbished usually just means that the manufacturer didn't find the problem

main pulsar
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as long as you know what to look for, you never have issues

modest ice
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It's inviting intermittent issues into your life

main pulsar
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ok well i gtg for now

lofty socket
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@reef fog it left enough of an impression for msi to make a statement and issue refunds so either way I don't trust anything refurb directly from them

main pulsar
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brb in like 30

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its not a refurb from them

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just get the board, is good

reef fog
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If your buying it used from someone else then msi won't get the money

lofty socket
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well that's not the issue

split copper
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I'm more concerned about the exploitation of labor/workers than scalping GPUs that are already big monie segment of the market, but the electronics industry is so saturated with labor exploitation there's just nothing to do about it for an individual consumer, can't vote with your dollar because then you're just not buying computer parts

reef fog
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And they still have good products.

modest ice
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Pretty sure Sevilla mentioned x570 would better suit the bill

lofty socket
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i wish the x570 pro from asus came in black

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going to a crosshair 8 is like 120 dollars more for a similar board

modest ice
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Do you have a window in your case?

lofty socket
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yea

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tempered glass sidepanel

modest ice
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Nice

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I bought my first glass panel case today

lofty socket
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oh nice

modest ice
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My current one is from 2006

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Has no window

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But I don't spend much time looking inside my case usually anyway

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Now that all the gizmos have LED's on them I suppose I'll do it more often

lofty socket
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I just know it would tilt me to look in my black case and see the giant splash of bright white from the x570 pro, the white on my 2 980s is a lot more subtle

modest ice
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Yeah I guess so

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I'm more of a function over fashion person

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So I have a giant Noctus DH-15 going in there

lofty socket
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I think its bc I got the black masterbox and not the white one

modest ice
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With the beige fans

hollow thorn
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@modest ice good man

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d15 gang

lofty socket
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Noctua makes quality stuff

modest ice
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Yeah the d14 did really well on my bulldozer

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I figured if I buy a 5900x it should be treated well also

hollow thorn
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yae

lofty socket
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when I do get all my parts I wanna make a watercooling loop though so its why I wanted the glass sidepanel

modest ice
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Ah cool!

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Solid pipes?

lofty socket
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yeah hardline

hollow thorn
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nice

modest ice
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Yeah I would go that route for my current build if I wasn't worried about flushes and pumps going bad

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And block erosion

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CLogs

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etx

lofty socket
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it'd also mean I'd clean my system way less, Idaho builds so much dust that I have to clean out my rig every month

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my dust filters will be gray along most of them in 4 weeks, it's so bad here that watercooling is just a better option with how the air quality is

modest ice
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I dust off my PC's every 2 years or so

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I'm in the Ottawa area

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It's not very dry except in the dead of winter

lofty socket
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yeah my town is basically in the middle of a desert

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so the airs super dry

modest ice
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At least your cars don't have a shelf life of 8 years

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The rust belt is not forgiving

torn dune
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m looking at $321.30 for the 3900x AMD cpu but im not sure if I should wait for the new cpus to come out or just get this (im trying to get the cpu around 300 dollars)
The price here seems good to me but im not sure any thoughts? i have a 3080

pliant vigil
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hey guys, has anyone talked about is 5600x or 3800x better for game streaming, recording and editing? I heard more core is better for editing videos

hollow thorn
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wait for reviews

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5600x might actually just be better.

lofty socket
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when's the embargo lift?

elfin schooner
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i have a r7 3700x with 16gb of 2666 ram if i get 32gb at 3600 how much of a difference will it make

pliant vigil
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thx

5600x might actually just be better.
@hollow thorn

modest ice
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If you have a 3080 then you want the 5900X or something in the 5000 series anyway

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If you told me you're anticipating getting a 3060ti or 3070 then I'd say yeah 3900X is a good CPU pairing

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But with a 3080 the 5900X makes a whole lot more sense

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Unless you get a good motherboard and want to use the 3900x as a placeholder, but even then that doesn't make much sense because the 5000 series is the last CPU line that the AM4 socket will support

hollow thorn
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what

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not really

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for gaming I'd definitely get 5600x+3080

main pulsar
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5600x for gaming

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maybe 5700x if you got the money

torn dune
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So your telling me the ryzen 9 3900x is just a bad idea even with the price point of 321

main pulsar
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after that it dont matter for gaming

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yep

torn dune
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k

main pulsar
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you dont need 12 cores

torn dune
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I do game making aswell

main pulsar
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the ipc gains of the 5600x will benefit you more

torn dune
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and render a few things

main pulsar
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gpu rendering?

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or cpu

torn dune
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both

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but is 12 cores overkill

main pulsar
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what kinds of multithreaded software are you using

modest ice
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12 cores is overkill for anyone who just games

torn dune
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blender, unity, adobe programs\

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and games

modest ice
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If you multi task a lot 8 or 12 cores makes sense

main pulsar
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5700x would be a good middle ground

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or is it the 5800x?

modest ice
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I want the 12 cores because I run a lot of market data apps, on my secondary and thirtiary screen at the same time as I game

main pulsar
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whatever the 8/16 one is

heady root
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5800x iirc

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ill check

hollow thorn
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5800x pricing bad

main pulsar
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yeah its 5800x

hollow thorn
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would wait for 5700x if possible

heady root
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okay

hollow thorn
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450$ just doesn't make sense for it

main pulsar
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oh, do you think theres gonna be one?

heady root
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i'm getting an r5 3600 whenever it pops down to 150 for a little placeholder for a bit

torn dune
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The only thing I have open is 2 tabs, youtube and twitter, then i have discord app opened and unity and visual studio and sometimes photoshop/blender

main pulsar
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i mean, 150 for +2, then another 100 for +4

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so yeah pricing is kinda bad

torn dune
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oh and spotify

main pulsar
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yeah those are basically background threads

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you can ignore em

torn dune
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so I should just save the 20 bucks for theeee 5600x

main pulsar
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yeah i would say so

torn dune
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k

main pulsar
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plus it has a 65w rated TDP

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ez to cool

modest ice
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5600x multitasks almost as good at the 3700x

torn dune
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but say if I bought the 3900x for my brother he has a lot of tabs open(like 20 I tell him not too but he doesnt listen) he has steam discord hangouts unity visual studio code usually blender and spotify and he has a game running in the background too which is minecraft and his raid farm would you say I should get him this cpu while I get the 5600x

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im upgrading my brothers and my rig lol

silent sandal
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Would a 5600x work well with a 6800xt

main pulsar
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web browser tabs are literally a single idle thread out of like 300

modest ice
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Your brother needs 32GB of ram

main pulsar
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they are inconseqential

modest ice
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And at least an 8 core CPU

torn dune
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kk

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thanks guys!

main pulsar
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3600 is only 200

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would suggest that for most things

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its not like its gotten less powerful

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and its still great for games

modest ice
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Yes.... it has

main pulsar
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if your brother needs a general use pc, get a 3600

modest ice
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The pentium 120 is a pretty powerful CPU

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It can decode highly compressed sound files MP3 in real time

main pulsar
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yes, and its been able to do that for 25 years

midnight pollen
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lol

main pulsar
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the 3600 at 200 usd can run windows 10 just as well as a 5950x

midnight pollen
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when decoding mp3 is feature

modest ice
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You'd laugh

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My PC was the envy of the neighboorhood

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486's weren't powerful enouugh for winamp

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I could run descent SMOOTHLY

lofty socket
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god what was my first processor

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I think it was an athalon 2

silent sandal
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Would a 5600x work well with a 6800xt

modest ice
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Yes

main pulsar
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yes

modest ice
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Good pairing

silent sandal
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Okay

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That’s what I thought, just wanted to make sure with people smarter than me

modest ice
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I'm pretty dumb

main pulsar
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of course 3080 is 80 dollars cheaper, so dont let marketing bs blind you

modest ice
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But I do know stuff about computers

main pulsar
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wait for reviewers

silent sandal
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3080 is cheaper?

main pulsar
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wouldnt be suprised if in the end the 3080 ends up being the better deal

silent sandal
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Isn’t it $50 more?

lofty socket
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3080 is more expensive

main pulsar
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wait

modest ice
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3080 is a better deal if you care about quake 2

lofty socket
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3070 is the one that's cheaper in the product stack

main pulsar
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oh duh 700 vs 650

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yeah 3070 vs 6800

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3070 is 80 cheaper nvm

hollow thorn
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3070 - 500$
6800 - 550$
6800xt - 650$
3080 - 700$

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there

silent sandal
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Lol yeah

heady root
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wasnt 6800 580?

hollow thorn
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somewhere around there

modest ice
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Yes

hollow thorn
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I thought it was 550

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lemme check

modest ice
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579

lofty socket
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yeah 579

main pulsar
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too many numbers

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overwhelming

silent sandal
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Okay so what’s a good mobo for 5600x?

main pulsar
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most b550 boards would do fine

modest ice
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There's not much price/value different between 6800 and 6800XT, they are both great buys

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If you have the extra 70$ you may as well get the XT variant

lofty socket
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unless your psu can't drive a 6800xt i don't see a reason for getting a 6800 over it when the 3070 undercuts its price [before accounting scalping]

modest ice
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Depends on how much money you're willing to spend

glacial kestrel
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so out of curiosity when do they announce the specific time in which the new ryzen cpus will be available for purchase?

modest ice
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They're all great products

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Except for the 2 halo products

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Which are both terrible value

lofty socket
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in like 2 weeks @glacial kestrel

modest ice
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Ryzen is this thursday

glacial kestrel
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cpu not gpu

lofty socket
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oh damn it is november

modest ice
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Radeon is in 18 days I think

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16 days

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On the 18th

glacial kestrel
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im trying to get ready to buy but idk if its exactly at 12am or some other time

lofty socket
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i think it depends on the retailers

modest ice
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6900XT launches later, Dec. 8th

glacial kestrel
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would make sense. im trying to cop the 5900x

modest ice
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Pete and Repeat went on a boat

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Sorry a synpase just went off

silent sandal
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Everyone wants the 5900x and 6800xt meaning they’ll sell out too fast

modest ice
#

I think AMD is anticipating it

#

Last launch was exactly that

glacial kestrel
#

see i made this name cause a coworker called me that. i have had it for 2 years and just last week someone made that joke and it was my first time hearing it

modest ice
#

The 3900x just vanished

#

Hahaha

glacial kestrel
#

but yea kind of hoping to learn the time cause im expecting it to sell out real quick

modest ice
#

I've been saying that joke to myself for the last 35 years

#

Didn't think anyone else would get it

#

It's better in french canadian

#

In fact that's how it makes any sense at all

glacial kestrel
#

i feel pretty stupid cause it took me 3 "repeats" before i realized the joke

modest ice
#

LOL

glacial kestrel
#

well night. im gonna have to keep being on the lookout for a time

modest ice
#

night

silent sandal
#

I’m hoping they have enough so that it lasts longer than like an hour

lofty socket
#

If i can't get a r5000 i'll probably just end up with a 3800XT

modest ice
#

I have all the parts except CPU and GPU

#

I'm not going to settle for less

lofty socket
#

I have everything but cpu and board at this point for the upgrade

#

just depends on availability

silent sandal
#

I have everything I want but 5900x and 6800xt

#

I have the money, I just need the stock to hold long enough for me to get them

lofty socket
#

yeah that's where I am for cpu rn

modest ice
#

My requirements are for an 8 core

#

But stroking my e-peen will be better with a 12 core

lofty socket
#

i feel that

spare quest
#

hey is 3100 any good or should I get 3300x

lofty socket
#

you can get a 3400G for around that price and it's a better chip for gaming iirc

spare quest
#

ok thanks

lofty socket
#

honestly everything in amds stack has been so good the last 3 years

#

I hope we see some innovation from intel soon

green terrace
#

Agreed

#

Amd expensive rn though

lofty socket
#

at the higher ends yeah

#

but at the r3 and r5 line it just kinda bulldozes intel

#

from price to performance

silent sandal
#

Intel is gone 🦀🦀🦀

modest ice
#

If you want best value get 3000 series

#

They're on sale these days

silent sandal
#

In all honesty though, hoping for a big punch from intel’s next gen

modest ice
#

Prepare to be underwhelmed

#

I doubt it will catch up to zen3 in any significant way

#

then zen 4 is around the corner also

silent sandal
#

Zen 4 going to 5nm right?

modest ice
#

That's the plan

#

It should be roughly equal to intel 7nm

hollow thorn
#

I wouldn't talk about "equal"

#

you're comparing it with something that doesn't exist :D

silent sandal
#

Intel is still 14 right?

hollow thorn
#

10/12nm on one of the mobile lake launches

#

but 14nm for their desktop chips

silent sandal
#

Mobile lake being laptop?

modest ice
#

Yeah mentioning equality is probably unwise when there's someone lurking with THAT avatar

green terrace
#

I’m personally interested in their gpus for laptops

#

Get rid of the stupid intel hd graphics

modest ice
#

Yeah it turns out Raja can do some things well

#

Intel really has integrated graphics in a bag with this one

silent sandal
#

Laptop boring

#

Super power desktop less boring

modest ice
#

I don't use laptops for gaming

#

That to me is like having a super hot wife at home and using the services for meth ho's when at a hotel. Just no

fresh river
#

huh

silent sandal
#

Lmfao

modest ice
#

It would be a desecration of the sanctity of my battlestation

hexed ridge
#

So if I have ram (3000 mHz) in a motherboard that caps at 2133 (I've tried figuring out, but I think I'd probably need a lot more time before I figure it out, if it can even be changed), will that cause a massive performance boost?

modest ice
#

Massive no

#

Performance boost yes

#

But it's likely due to your memory controller

#

What CPU do you have?

hollow thorn
#

@hexed ridge I assume intel?

hexed ridge
#

i7 6700k

#

Yeah

hollow thorn
#

a lot of intel non-z motherboards limit to 2666mhz

hexed ridge
#

Just put it in, upgraded an old PC

#

Ah

hollow thorn
#

H310 or B360 I assume?

hexed ridge
#

h170

#

Oldie

hollow thorn
#

oo

#

yea

hexed ridge
#

yeah gg then huh

fervent meadow
#

Hi

modest ice
#

I wouldn't bother

#

Look at the specs to see if it's allowed

hexed ridge
#

Okay, sounds good. I don't have the confidence to switch mobos yet.

modest ice
#

And if you feel like tinkering perhaps you can do that

hexed ridge
#

Yeah I tried changing it in the bios settings

#

I set everything to auto because I'm a little chicken with that

modest ice
#

I think if you have really good ram the best you can hope for is tighter memory timings

#

But that sounds nightmarish to me so I just wouldn't bother

hexed ridge
#

Okay, so then continuing on, is the reason there isn't a massive performance boost because of cache on the CPU?

modest ice
#

Most CPU's don't benefit much from memory speeds

hexed ridge
#

I'm just curious about why memory can be so slow comparatively (with fast sometimes not even being close to higher CPU overclocks)

#

Huh

modest ice
#

You're looking at 3%

#

Or 7% in extreme cases

lime trail
#

thoughts on the ASUS AM4 TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi) ATX Motherboard?

modest ice
#

And then again that depends on the application

hexed ridge
#

3% of 20 frames is still 20 I guess

modest ice
#

Right

hexed ridge
#

Nah jk it's better than that

#

But yeah

prisma nymph
#

why exactly do you want the x570 board? heavy overclocks or smth? cause if you dont need it you could get a b550 for cheaper

hexed ridge
#

Thanks @modest ice

#

👍

modest ice
#

np

lime trail
#

probs better to go for a b550 i guess then

prisma nymph
#

ye, the aorus b550's look nice

#

like the pro

#

or the pro ac, which is only like $10 more for wifi

#

which i think is worth

#

even if you know you're doing ethernet

lime trail
#

need the wifi as have no access to ethernet

#

sadly

modest ice
#

Wifi is worth it if it has bluetooth too

#

Then you can pair your phone and tinker

modest ice
#

My new mobo has 802.11ax and I coudn't give a sthi even if I tried

#

Because it has 2.5gbps eth

#

And THAT makes me very happy

plush knot
#

So if I’m building with a ryzen 5 5600x should I buy a b550 or would a b450 be enough

prisma nymph
#

b550 for sure

modest ice
#

I would warn if you want to go the b450 route to ensure compatibility first

prisma nymph
#

b450 wont ship with bios updates i dont think

green terrace
#

You need b550, don’t you?

lime trail
#

for me in the uk the b550 is a v similar price to x570

prisma nymph
#

not out of bocx

#

if you have an older gen ryzen chip thats compatible with a b450 out of boxx, then you can update the bios

#

but if you dont, you'll have to wait for the b550's with the bios updates to ship

plush knot
#

Would a b550 be better enough to justify the extra cost

prisma nymph
#

yes

fallen lynx
#

B450 probably won't get bios updates until at least January for 5000 series

green terrace
#

If you don’t already have b450, get b550

plush knot
#

I mean it looks nice but I’ve got like $1500 and still need a monitor and I hope to get a 3070

#

I’m just buying a bunch of stuff on Black Friday

prisma nymph
#

yea, same

lime trail
#

same

#

wait for the amd gpus to bench mark tho

modest ice
#

My budget is unlimited

plush knot
#

Specifically the case, mobo, ram, power supply, and monitor

modest ice
#

But I'm still not a fool

prisma nymph
#

finally found it

modest ice
#

So I'm going with 5900x and 6800x

plush knot
#

With any luck I can stretch those deals enough to have enough left for a ryzen 5 5600x and a 3070

#

Especially with power supply, case, and ram

prisma nymph
#

im not dealing with the hassle of buying a 5000 series processor

#

im getting a 3600 and being over with it

plush knot
#

Because I think I should be able to get a good price for those

green terrace
#

Yeah idk how easy those will be to get

#

You’re not just dealing with gamers

prisma nymph
#

im not even talking about availability, im also talking about bios updates needing to happen

lime trail
#

the 5000 series looks great

plush knot
#

I mean there’s already good deals on cases lots of places

prisma nymph
#

since i dont have a compatible amd cpu

modest ice
#

I think AMD is stockpiling non stop for launch

plush knot
#

When is launch again?

modest ice
#

and will have stok for at least a few hours

green terrace
#

I think you’re giving amd too much credit

prisma nymph
#

nov 5

green terrace
#

But I could be wrong

prisma nymph
#

who be?

lone oar
#

nov 5
@prisma nymph radeon or ryzen

modest ice
#

No I think you're just not critical of NVDA enough

prisma nymph
#

ryzen

lone oar
#

oh friiiiick

green terrace
#

I never said anything about nvidia?

lone oar
#

i dont have moey yet

modest ice
#

They set the tone recently on stock issues

green terrace
#

Amd hasn’t launched anything yet.

#

I’m very skeptical.

modest ice
#

Allegedly some retailers only got less than 5% of their order fulfilled before launch

plush knot
#

I wish that I lived near a microcenter

modest ice
#

You didn't ask a question

prisma nymph
#

bruh threadripper

#

why

#

what

#

no

#

bad

#

ew

modest ice
#

You made a statement

prisma nymph
#

aa

modest ice
#

pog?

green terrace
#

Why y’all gotta spam like that

prisma nymph
#

no, not, do you know pc stuff?

lone oar
#

micro center deosnt do shipping?

green terrace
#

@lone oar They do, but their deals are in store only

modest ice
#

3600 much better than thread ripper 1900 for most use cases

prisma nymph
#

yea, thredripper do be kinda ded tho

lone oar
#

@lone oar They do, but their deals are in store only
@green terrace aaa

prisma nymph
#

3600 is better in all ways

modest ice
#

learning to type

hollow thorn
#

stop

prisma nymph
green terrace
#

Who’s a mod that can get rid of this guy?

lime trail
#

good man

modest ice
#

Pog takes me down memory lane

#

Yes

#

Some kid took my slammer

#

I'm still upset

hollow thorn
#

slammer?

modest ice
#

In the late 80's there was a fad game

#

Called pog

#

Which was a reboot of a fad game from the 50's or so

#

Milk caps is a game that was popular among children during the early-mid 1990s.
The brand name "Pog" is owned by the World Pog Federation. The name pog originates from POG, a brand of juice made from passionfruit, orange, and guava; the use of POG bottle caps to play the game ...

lone oar
#

There are no micro centers in florida 💀

modest ice
#

blame florida man

prisma nymph
#

there are no microcenters in canada 💀

lone oar
#

oof

silent sandal
#

Ew

modest ice
#

I could swear we had micro centers up here

#

There's canada computers at least

silent sandal
#

Would a 6800xt bottleneck a i7 8700

modest ice
#

Depends what you're trying to do I think

prisma nymph
#

yea, ive never even been to a canada computers lul

#

they do have 3070 backorders tho in store, so thats nice

modest ice
#

I think a 8700 wouldn't be that bad of a pairing with a 6800xt

#

Though for the other gens after that you may want to consider retiring the 8700

green terrace
#

That’s fine depending on your resolution

#

8700 is still a great cpu

modest ice
#

320X240

silent sandal
#

The guy would be playing at 1440

modest ice
#

Get that 600fps in CSGO

#

And play it on a 50ms response time tv

languid dune
#

hey im just wondering what the difference between i9-10980HK and i7-10750H is and if its worth paying $700 extra for it I'm looking at at two laptops right now

#

if that helps mean anything

modest ice
#

what's a kokay guy?

prisma nymph
#

Ngl, never even heard of either of those cpus

#

Other people prolly age tho, so wait on them I gues

modest ice
#

So what do you use this laptop for?

#

750h is 6core 12t, 2.6ghz, 45w TDP

languid dune
#

im just planning on getting one to play some games on the go since i dont have much time at home

modest ice
#

980hk is 8c/16t 2.4 45w

#

Games you say

#

I think the focus should be on the VGA

#

But to answer your question

#

The extra 700$ is not worth it

#

You're better off with the 6 core CPU and a better GPU

languid dune
#

thank you

copper summit
#

Got a ryzen 7 3700x. Should I go x570 or b550?

silent sandal
#

Are you gonna use the extra stuff

ancient mirage
#

yeah are you?

steady plinth
#

Jayztwocents did a video about that 4 months ago

mossy ermine
#

with x570 should i do all the way wil the aorus master or draw it back and do a msi tomahwk

silent sandal
#

Msi b550 tomahawk

vast granite
#

how much is the b550

#

180?

silent sandal
#

Yes I think

solemn sky
naive pendant
#

theres a micro center about 2 hours from me

hollow kraken
#

anyone know a good cheap mobo? not going to overclock anything want to use xmp, 4 dimm slots are nice

split copper
#

What CPU are you thinking?

hollow kraken
#

apu, 3400g

#

xpg 3200 cl16 8gb x2

#

for memory

split copper
#

You could go with some B450

hollow kraken
#

i heard the asrock b450 pro4 is nice should i get it?

tired arrow
#

You should get MSI B450 VDH MAX@hollow kraken

#

It's best

hollow kraken
#

i'll check it out

pulsar scaffold
#

Any ideas on how to over clock on a a320m s2h

devout mothBOT
#
Yoda#1735 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

pulsar scaffold
#

I know it's been done just how is the question

split copper
#

You could do the B450M variant if you don't particularly need all the extra stuff a full ATX board offers

hollow kraken
#

what do i miss out on?

split copper
#

A320 chipset doesn't really support overclocking

#

A few extra PCIe slots mainly

#

Maybe an extra m.2 slot

#

You could take a look at the two boards and see for yourself, look at the pictures, look at the specs list

pulsar scaffold
#

Msi b450 is a bad value asrock has solid vrm cooling and better support and software

#

Some asrock b450's have solid cooling

#

Some are straight cheeks

hollow kraken
#

what about x470? what would be the best cheap option?

split copper
#

It's fairly obvious which ones have good cooling and which don't, just got to look at the VRMs for a heatsink

pulsar scaffold
#

Yeah

#

X470 is a stupid purchase tbh you might as well get a cheap X570 at that point

hollow kraken
#

do you know any cheap x570 mobos?

silent sandal
#

Cheap meaning what

hollow kraken
#

price

pulsar scaffold
#

Asrock is typically the cheapest you just gotta look around

split copper
#

I think Asus X570s mayb

silent sandal
#

Meaning what price lol

hollow kraken
#

low budget price

pulsar scaffold
#

All x470 x570 will run you around 140 to 450

silent sandal
#

Asus tuf gaming x570 plus wifi is under 200

pulsar scaffold
#

Don't get a tuf gaming it's overpriced

split copper
#

B450 should be enough for most people, and they are nice and low in price

pulsar scaffold
#

Your paying for the gaming in the name lol

hollow kraken
#

yeah imma just stick with a b450 tbh

pulsar scaffold
#

And if b450 isn't enough b550 is

silent sandal
#

Tuf gaming isn’t good, but it’s a cheap x570

hollow kraken
#

it doesnt support the apu im getting

#

b550 chipset

split copper
#

Esp for just a 3400G, you won't need X570 or B550

hollow kraken
#

3400g

pulsar scaffold
#

Why even buy a 450 for a apu

#

At that point you could save 50 bucks

hollow kraken
#

would a a320 work

split copper
#

Maybe

hollow kraken
#

an*

split copper
#

I think I would still go with a 450

pulsar scaffold
#

Get a 1600 af and a b350m bazooka

split copper
#

Though if there's an A320 with good cooling maybe

hollow kraken
#

im trying to upgrade down the line

pulsar scaffold
#

B350 supports up to third Gen so

split copper
#

So yeah I think B450 would be a nice choice

hollow kraken
#

ye b450

pulsar scaffold
#

But if it's a apu 450 is just a waste of 50 bucks then no maniac

#

?

split copper
#

Maybe

#

Maybe not

#

What if they want to get a 3600 later?

pulsar scaffold
#

Even a B350m gaming pro for 70 bucks can handle a ryzen 7 3700x with flying colors

split copper
#

I guess

pulsar scaffold
#

Idk

#

B450 seems to be popular opinion

#

Amongst the non lookers

#

Idk

#

I'm building soon

#

Waiting for r5000

split copper
#

Ah

pulsar scaffold
#

Though

#

Cause I suspect 3700x Will drop about 30$

#

Given past price drop history

#

With new generations

hollow kraken
#

so i chose new memory, gskill aigis 16gb 3200 cl16

#

ia that good?

pulsar scaffold
#

Pretty solid ram I have that exact in my personal rig atm

hollow kraken
#

nice

pulsar scaffold
#

Although there are cheaper alternatives

#

Oloy isn't a bad choice for budget ram

hollow kraken
#

cheapest are cl20 2666 8gb

split copper
#

Noooo not 2666 v20 :(

pulsar scaffold
#

I got a 16gb kit of 3400 mhz oloy in my Lil Bros pc

#

Cl20 is not worth buying

#

And for a apu especially

#

You want at least 3200mhz

hollow kraken
#

idk oloy doesn't seem like a good brand

pulsar scaffold
#

Idk man I took a chance and risked it

#

It's pretty Frickin solid

#

I have to say

#

Been running solid at 3400 mhz for almost a year

#

No crashed instability or other issues

#

Other than I killed a set of em with a bad mobo but that was my fault lol

hollow kraken
#

well im upgrading to a gpu so need like solid naybe 2-3 yr performance

pulsar scaffold
#

yeah

#

I like the oloy ram

#

It might not be for everyonr

#

But I will continue to run it in my machines

#

why are you buying a apu

#

If you plan to get a gpu

#

Why not save money

#

Buy a ryzen 5 1600af

#

And a um

#

1650super

#

Or rx 590

hollow kraken
#

i tried and it goes over my budget

lone oar
#

I’m getting G skill ripjaws

#

16 gigs 3200

hollow kraken
#

oloy warhawk rgb caught my eye

lone oar
#

Oh yeah I saw that too

#

Tbh I don’t think rgb on ram is worth it

pulsar scaffold
#

Yeah the war hawk looks clwan

#

But yes

lone oar
#

Cuz it’s only a small bar

pulsar scaffold
#

I don't like the rgb ram just cause of the cost

lone oar
#

Also the Warhawk rgb looks pretty mediocre ngl

heady root
#

rgb ram bad

#

rgb bad in general

#

you'll regret buying rgb anything in a few years

pulsar scaffold
#

Exaxtly

split copper
#

I think rgb ram uses CPU power to run the rgb

lone oar
#

Well I like rgb a lot I just wouldn’t spend money on ram rgb

pulsar scaffold
#

Maniac what did u just say bro

lone oar
#

I think rgb ram uses CPU power to run the rgb
@split copper lol what

pulsar scaffold
#

Lol

hollow kraken
#

cl16 ddr4 3200 10ns 2x8 16gb

#

sounds too good to be true tbh

pulsar scaffold
#

What brand

hollow kraken
#

oloy warhawk rgb

pulsar scaffold
#

I got 2 kits of that

hollow kraken
#

77 CAD

lone oar
#

The g skill ripjaws is better

pulsar scaffold
#

Oced to 3400mhz

#

Nawww

pulsar scaffold
#

Rip jaws is more expensive

lone oar
#

It’s cheaper

hollow kraken
#

for cl20 and 18

pulsar scaffold
#

Oloy is solid cyro have trust in homeboy

lone oar
#

I trust them just saying that the g skill one is better

pulsar scaffold
#

7 7 cad is like 60 usd right

lone oar
#

I think so

pulsar scaffold
#

Damn

#

That's so cheap

devout mothBOT
#
cyroVR#2245 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

pulsar scaffold
#

I might pick up a few more sets

hollow kraken
#

oops

lone oar
#

The g skill is 54 and it’s only one stick

#

Plus g skill is a bigger brand

pulsar scaffold
#

See

#

There's your issue

#

One stick

#

Your losing easily

#

10% performance

lone oar
#

Isn’t the Warhawk also one stick

pulsar scaffold
#

Especially on a. Ryzen apu system

#

Nope

hollow kraken
#

dude crossfire ram or whatever is better

pulsar scaffold
#

2x8

lone oar
#

Oh damn I didn’t know

pulsar scaffold
#

Crossfire

#

Huh

lone oar
#

Lemme check it out

hollow kraken
#

like dual ram

#

forgot wut its called

pulsar scaffold
#

Dual channel

hollow kraken
#

THAT

pulsar scaffold
#

2 sticks is better than one yeah

#

By alot

hollow kraken
#

i was thinking amd crossfire lol

pulsar scaffold
#

Don't ever buy 1x16 lol

#

Your just leaving performance on the table

hollow kraken
#

hol up but gskill aegis is cheaper at same performance as wh rgb

#

73CAD

pulsar scaffold
#

How much is oloy without rgb tho

lone oar
#

Btw only like 10 bucks cheaper and it has more latency

hollow kraken
#

i could only see rgb on pcpartpicker

lone oar
#

And only one stick

hollow kraken
#

one stick more latency is a big no

heady root
#

don't pay 100 for windows yikes

hollow kraken
#

ikr

heady root
#

don't get one stick

#

dual channel pls

lone oar
#

don't pay 100 for windows yikes
@heady root well that’s the price oof

hollow kraken
#

imma just reuse the windows on my laptop

heady root
#

its $2 on ebay

#

windows is free

lone oar
#

Wait what

pulsar scaffold
#

Bro don't pay 100 for windows

heady root
#

you get an activation key from ebay

#

for cheap

#

dirt cheap

#

not 100

lone oar
#

Huuuuuh

pulsar scaffold
#

You can buy activations codes

lone oar
#

It’s not bad

pulsar scaffold
#

Legit like

hollow kraken
#

temporary key bet

heady root
#

just watch a yt video on it i'm lazy

pulsar scaffold
#

5$

lone oar
#

Holy crap

pulsar scaffold
#

Also

heady root
#

if you want to waste $100 that's on you my friend

hollow kraken
#

its a temporary key

pulsar scaffold
#

You don't need a 360mm rad

#

For a 5600x

lone oar
#

Wdym temporary

pulsar scaffold
#

A 120 would be enough

hollow kraken
#

it means you gotta rebuy the key

lone oar
#

It’s the cheapest aio

pulsar scaffold
#

And a 240 would be more than enough

#

You don't need a 360

lone oar
#

Also imma upgrade in the future so I want it to be overkill

pulsar scaffold
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Just get a 120

heady root
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you don't even need an aio unless it somehow is as hot as the moon

pulsar scaffold
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But

heady root
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if you're getting an aio get an arctic liquid freezer

pulsar scaffold
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Exactly

heady root
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not as hot as the moon

hollow kraken
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so in reality you end up paying more than a normal key

heady root
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i meant like

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venus idk

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you don't have to re buy keys?

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when does that happen

pulsar scaffold
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What?

heady root
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huh

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cyro actin crazy

pulsar scaffold
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Yeah what

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Frfr

lone oar
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Can someone send me a link to a Windows key

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It’s Windows 10 btw right

hollow kraken
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like renew for temporary keys

heady root
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yes

pulsar scaffold
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No tf cyro

lone oar
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Can someone send me a link to a perms one

heady root
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you don't have to re buy the activation keys

lone oar
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Perma

pulsar scaffold
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There's no temp ones lol

heady root
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they all should be perm

pulsar scaffold
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Just look em up

lone oar
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Ok

pulsar scaffold
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They range from 5 to 15 bucks

hollow kraken
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im sorry there are temp keys

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search it

pulsar scaffold
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Well then if you buy them your stupid lmao

hollow kraken
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they are the ones priced cheap

pulsar scaffold
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Tf?

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No

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5 bucks

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For a permanent windows activation code

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I've never even seen a temp ine

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You must be smoking something chief

hollow kraken
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sounds too good to be true dont you think

lone oar
heady root
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check reviews or comments or whatever it is

hollow kraken
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hmm yes real

pulsar scaffold
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Yeah

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Cyro shut your trap

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It's real bro

hollow kraken
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all caps, emojis always saying its real

pulsar scaffold
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I've done it like

heady root
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i have multiple friends who have personally gotten keys from ebay things that look exactly like that and they have never had to "re buy"

pulsar scaffold
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100 yimes

hollow kraken
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just get the free windows download and pay nothing

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or use linux

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pulsar scaffold
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Oops

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Shut

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hollow kraken
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ya okay there bud

lone oar
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Wait a minute are the keys discs

hollow kraken
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no wonder why they're cheap

heady root
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no

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oh my goodness

midnight pollen
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Most of them are digital keys

lone oar
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Ok cuz some of them are

heady root
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get the digital ones

hollow kraken
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bruh

midnight pollen
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But then need to make installer on usb

heady root
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^

hollow kraken
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oh wait my colour changed

heady root
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quick yt video will help ya figure that out

lone oar
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Wait what

midnight pollen
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Why oem windows

lone oar
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Si this sint a disk

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Aaa

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I’m having a stroke

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Whatever

midnight pollen
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That one looks like a dvd

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Best option is to find a usb stick you have laying around or get one at least 8gb and download windows free from Microsoft and install. Than activate windows later

lone oar
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Wait Windows free

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huh

midnight pollen
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Windows is free to download and install

lone oar
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Bruh are you joking me I’ve suffered so much over this and it’s FREE ;-;

hollow kraken
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windows has a free version but you miss out on customizing wallpapers and changing clolours

midnight pollen
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Just need usb drive, some features are locked or watermark until you activate