see the 1796.4 mhz?
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
peak sail
its bandwith id not part number i am addressing
gritty meadow
and there you have your 3600-ish number
hollow thorn
Bandwidth part is just label that tells you jedec defaults, not what it's currently running at.
peak sail
take take and thank you
gritty meadow
the conclusion, from any logical thinking person here is that your system is running 3600, exactly like you wanted it to.
that you keep on insisting on reading the JEDEC data sections..... that is entirely on you.
we cannot prevent you from doing that
but that does NOT mean your RAM is not running as it is supposed to
sullen dome
I'm looking at RAM right now for a future build. I understand 16 GB of RAM is plenty for gaming, but if I looking to do Adobe After Effects and other video rendering products, should I go to 32 GB of RAM? @ me so I don't miss your response!
lunar dust
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BvvPb8 is that motherboard good? I've heard mixed reviews about the -A
dusky pagoda
@gritty meadow
drowsy nymph
Perfect question for Naed because AMD goes brrr.
neat estuary
That will leave a hole in your wallet....
split copper
Maybe it's an old stock third party seller thing where they lie about timings
neat estuary
I’ve never seen 3800 cl14. But 3600cl14 is 180$ usually for 16gb
quaint current
trident z 3800cl14
split copper
I found a "DDR3-1600 CL9" that's just DDR3-1600 CL-11 that also does 1333 9
quaint current
99% sure thats what he got
neat estuary
What does the trident cost? It would be epic ram.
quaint current
think its like 200-240 for a 16gb kit but lemme check
neat estuary
TEAMGROUP T-Force Xtreem ARGB 3600MHz CL14 16GB Kit (2x8GB) PC4-28800 (Addressable RGB) Dual Channel DDR4 SDRAM Desktop Gaming Memory Module Ram 1.35V Full Mirror ARGB - TF10D416G3600HC14CDC01 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082HCKZ81/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Z5aAFbN1AGFFZ
This is my favorite
quaint current
neat estuary
Wow. Seems legit
neat estuary
I’ve had my 4x8 3600 cl16 locked in at 3800cl14. But the secondary timings are really hard to get right. And I needed all of 1.5 v
The dram calculator didn’t even get me close.
faint ferry
What is the 2nd best intel cpu below 9900k? Not sure if I can afford it just yet but i'll upgrade down the line. As well as it being 11551 (300 series) so I don't need to replace it.
quaint current
hollow thorn
But anyways, on lga 1151, 9700k is supposed to be the next step down
modern tundra
naive pendant
9900k is quite good still
hushed canopy
is the asus tuf gaming x570 plus good? I have a ryzen 7 3700x and I wanna add the rtx 3070 to add. Is the motherboard good?
hollow thorn
Yes
hushed canopy
@hollow thorn thx
hollow thorn
@burnt finch simple answer, CPUs using ddr3 can ONLY use ddr3, and CPUs using ddr4 can ONLY use ddr4
there's like 1 or 2 intel cpus that can do both but not really common
So basically you're locked into ddr4 if you want a modern CPU.
main pulsar
cheap skylake cpus
burnt finch
okay thanks
hollow thorn
DDR4 is more bandwidth and better speeds and better efficiency afaik
main pulsar
technically, the same bandwidth of DDR3, but it just clocks twice as fast
quaint current
ddr4 is 1 better than ddr3
eternal helm
Ddr5 is better than ddr4
river chasm
is 2 slot 64gb 3200MHz (2x32) better than 4 slot 80gb 3200MHz (2x32 + 2x8)?
river chasm
idk
quaint current
80gb is funky
river chasm
xD
hollow thorn
funky indeed
river chasm
i may or may not have 80GB of ram rn
hollow thorn
ick
gritty meadow
@hollow thorn @quaint current it does not matter from the POV of the OS
@river chasm if you need 80gig, then that option is obv better :)
hollow thorn
@gritty meadow I'm talking in terms of dual channel
gritty meadow
it does not matter
gritty meadow
notice the speed
gritty meadow
its not 3600
hollow thorn
does it not matter on 3200mhz?
gritty meadow
:)
quaint current
i was just saying it was funky
gritty meadow
it wont dump further down speedwise
hollow thorn
kk.
gritty meadow
so unless there is some funky mainboard config/bios/bs going on... the "if you need 80 gig part" trumps any potential quirks
but as mentioned, at that speed, there should not be any quirks
aside from making most people that build machines raise their eyebrows when you mention the amount
river chasm
ok, thank you
hollow thorn
ofc
potent dew
Any explanation on why the B550-F has less USB 3.2 gen 1 headers than the B550-E?
hollow thorn
Because
potent dew
Vengance RGB or Trident Z memory?
potent dew
Ignoring clocks
deep vigil
g skill
neat estuary
The B550-e is the flag ship model. It also has a 60$ premium to get all the features
burnt finch
what does more cores in a cpu do?
gritty meadow
@burnt finch simple answer: Allow more work to get done. Think of it like each core is another person helping to do a given job
burnt finch
alright thanks
gritty meadow
Packaging technology is a start
the IPC increases they have been able to pull from the same manufacturing process are frankly insane
if you dont think so, please read up on it
and please believe me on this one. it is NOT that i want intel or amd to be the top dog
lethal granite
so @gritty meadow tell me how intel not keeping up on their promises and not changing from the 14nm architecture is a good thing? last i checked that brings things in the competitive market to a hault, allowing amd to now price gouche their cpus.
gritty meadow
heck, i would LOVE for apple to curbstomp both of them
dusty hollow
Blah blah amd is better blah blah intel is better blah blah blah.
Blah blah 14nm blah blah 2nm
gritty meadow
@dusty hollow bugger off
lethal granite
we all yelled at AMD for doing this and just not innovating and bringing nothing competitive to the market
gritty meadow
@copper solar could you take the obvious troll here and escort him back to where he belongs (and yes, its @dusty hollow i am talking about)
lethal granite
im not saying AMD is better, im saying amd was doo doo, and we complained and they heard us and fixed things, intel already had a handle on things, and well just stood there.
gritty meadow
"we" please dont throw broadsides :)
lethal granite
and i know intel can bring way way more to the table then amd is gonna be, they have a much larger RND then amd
gritty meadow
lets start from the first question you had @lethal granite
umbral fog
except that gotta make their own stuff and they got other things they working on
gritty meadow
"not changing from 14nm" <- they are NOT on that process because they want to be there.
umbral fog
amd is really just cpu and radeon right now
lethal granite
true, but intell is large enough to micro manage things better then they are.
gritty meadow
no. not really
umbral fog
their 10nm was pretty damn bad wasn't it?
gritty meadow
a lot of things have impacted the CPU world at large
following is just a example, a thought experiment if you will
lethal granite
their 10nm wasnt bad, the graphics end was the bad part and that is where AMD took the lead
umbral fog
their 10 nm wasn't satisfactory
umbral fog
i'm trying to study
gritty meadow
@copper solar best of luck with that :)
copper solar
What happened
umbral fog
but physics is boring
dusty hollow
2nm processor?
lethal granite
well if it had happened to AMD then we would of told them the same thing as we did intel, stop focusing on so many projects and get work one thing to make it better.
gritty meadow
@umbral fog if you dont have anything to actually add to the talk here. Then please go back to #general-chat
same goes for you @dusty hollow
umbral fog
tsmc is working on 2nm aint they?
gritty meadow
except, it was a shift in the general "way" that we thought about CPU code that made things work out like that
lethal granite
but i get what you are saying, intel has had issue after issue with security flaws on the cpu end
gritty meadow
again,
lethal granite
and thats also why i want intel to do better in the cpu market,
umbral fog
intel is real scummy with benchmarks
burnt notch
B550 Tomohawk vs X570 Tomohawk?
umbral fog
true but i don't remember amd disabling half the core on an intel chip in a paid comparison
lethal granite
i honestly dont want one company to be king over the other, not for long periods it doesnt drive innovation or competition when one or the other just tries and milk their current tech for all its worth
dusty hollow
X570 has extra fan and extra fan can lead to noise and failure
lethal granite
i mean naed do you remember when the cpu market highs were in the 500 range max?
dusty hollow
sorry built in fan to cool chipset
umbral fog
i think we are at a good point amd is competitive
dusty hollow
I think intel is better than amd
lethal granite
i think intel needs to provide more competition though
gritty meadow
@lethal granite oh yes.
umbral fog
and intel has to do something before they pull a bigger lead
lethal granite
because i use to enjoy high end cpus being cost effective
gritty meadow
there is no "lead" @umbral fog
lethal granite
not this 1000 for the best
dusty hollow
Amd better than intel
gritty meadow
the tech sphere running around like chickens and calling doom and gloom is not actually reality
umbral fog
@gritty meadow well in price to performance for things other than gaming amd is doing pretty healthy
lethal granite
no, that is untrue, amd is not better then intel, they just have more fight in them then intel and well more to loose then intel , like someone said before intel is in a lot of markets, amd is not
umbral fog
obviously some things are still very clock dependent
dusty hollow
Omg hi hei
long geyser
hi
lethal granite
intel RND budget intel is far superior, its not the 10x is was pre zen2 but still bout 3x amds budget
umbral fog
yeah isnt some adobe stuff pretty intel leaning
@lethal granite and like amd they aren't putting att their eggs in one basket
lethal granite
although i am curious, AMD has used ARM technology in the past, now that nvidia owns them, how does that affect AMD in future projects?
umbral fog
is the nvidia thing even a done deal?
gritty meadow
it is
umbral fog
damn
gritty meadow
as in, it IS happening
umbral fog
impressive
long geyser
Also AMD CPU department and GPU department are separate. Nvidia is at least kinda buddy-buddy with AMD CPU department.
gritty meadow
it will take 1½-2 years to become final
umbral fog
i thought it was gonna pull a sprint and tmobile and take forever
gritty meadow
but it is in the process
lethal granite
will take about a year and a half to transfer all assests over to nvidia if i am correct
umbral fog
with lots of protest
gritty meadow
in the long term, it could open up the apple side of things for nvidia again
lethal granite
@long geyser didnt know they really communicated
lethal granite
but with the purchase of ARM and nvidias AI tech they already have, doesnt this put nvidia far in the lead with AI technology?
umbral fog
i mean amd is seriously disrupting the cpu market
it would be a bad idea to not talk to amd
gritty meadow
@umbral fog not really. not YET
umbral fog
right
gritty meadow
IF they deliver with zen3 AND can keep the supply up?
umbral fog
but its getting their
gritty meadow
its starting to look good
umbral fog
they were in the red before ryzen
gritty meadow
however IF they cannot get their next gen EPYC to perform?
lethal granite
is zen 3 strictly tsmc? or samsung got their hands in that too?
gritty meadow
tsmc
lethal granite
thank god
umbral fog
i mean
lethal granite
i think we can all agree samsung is the real bad guy here
long geyser
DIY consumer market is looking great.
Prebuilt, idk - at least okay
Laptop, not that great - mostly due to stock
gritty meadow
not really <- re: samsung
lethal granite
😦
umbral fog
tsmc is supplying a lot of people
gritty meadow
unless you are thinking about something else than what i am Markus
lethal granite
samsung still owns 80 percent of the chipset market though
gritty meadow
you are mixing segments very "freely" now Markus
umbral fog
?
lethal granite
so was everyone else?
gritty meadow
yes, because they dont know what they are talking about (most of them)
dusky pagoda
Theres really no point of buying the expsive company version of ddr4 3600 8x2 right
gritty meadow
@dusky pagoda your question has been answered 10 times over.
umbral fog
its still behind QUALCOMM and MediaTek unless that aint what you mean
dusky pagoda
??
lethal granite
well the samsung comment leads back to intel , in the next question will intel ever just cop out and ask samsung to make then the 7 or 8nm chips?
gritty meadow
@lethal granite if their own retooling takes too long? yes
lethal granite
thank god
umbral fog
wasn't it mentioned recently?
gritty meadow
that is just normal logistics of production
remember. Intel is really a giant hive of interlinked Intels
lethal granite
i mean honestly that was the biggest issue is intel has never really reached out always depended on keeping everything on the inside.
lethal granite
i mean yeah
umbral fog
i mean they were making their own stuff
lethal granite
it worked for a long time
lethal granite
now with tsmc , and im trying to remember the other smaller company that tsmc beat out for the qualcom 5nm chips
gritty meadow
glofo?
lethal granite
i think
just when intel was in the lead, there was really only samsung who was god, and tsmc was still growing at the time
gritty meadow
aye, and that is also why i am not personally that worried about things
lethal granite
now tsmc is huge from landing some solid contracts, and other companys have popped up that there is more competition in the chipset marker, with 8nm and smaller.
gritty meadow
in the grander scheme of things, semi conductor production is still a "new" industry
there are ALWAYS ups and downs in a given field
we are just seeing the first real one now
and by that i mean
what was strong will be weak
and vice versa
give it X years and it will shift again
lethal granite
i mean i think intel knows this as well, and knows tsmc wont work with them, and already is planning on samsung for the bail out because they can pop out the production super quick
gritty meadow
side note: from a "i want new shiny tech to read about" POV. i am actually happy that it is happening
lethal granite
maybe this is why intel took a lazy approach?
gritty meadow
because i think we (world of semi production) need to diversify way way way more if we want to keep scaling
specifically thinking materials here
lethal granite
although the 5nm aspect were geting to that point of no performance gains
gritty meadow
not really
remember any given node process is a question of trade-offs
you could have the "best" node in history for power consumption
lethal granite
true
gritty meadow
but if the customer decides that they want to use it for something that it is inherently "bad" at?
it is going to look like a dumpster fire
gritty meadow
well, aside from the quicksync encode/decode block being one of the most efficient in the industry ....
also, lets not forget that catching up is one thing
staying ahead is completely different
lethal granite
i just hop intel comes out with smaller form, to compete,
gritty meadow
that had this project by the name of banias
lethal granite
like pc usage is become more niche, laptops and tablets are more the meta
gritty meadow
that group has been rumbling again, so ... who knows :)
lethal granite
and to drive great battery life plus the performance in laptops intel has got to do something because when it came to laptops i always prefered intels raw performance, the budget amds we such crap
up untill this 3000 series i told people to never buy an AMD laptop they were crap
"but they are so cheap" exactly you get what u pay for lol
gritty meadow
to be fair, a lot of the amd designs had backsides for brains in regards to the actual designs
lethal granite
yes
gritty meadow
and THAT i put solidly on the OEM's
lethal granite
cough toshiba crap
lethal granite
yeah but black friday sales toshiba n hp normally stuck out to me
gritty meadow
i am talking all the way back here
lethal granite
the "e" series amd chips
gritty meadow
and yes, specifically for ryzen, there was nothing to "get" in zen1 or zen1+
because amd needed time to have the "weight" to strongarm the OEM's to NOT do a repeat of the past.
lethal granite
nothing, your phone had a more powerful cpu in it then the laptops back then for amd
and thats the sad part for the same price you could get an 8 core cpu smart phone for the same price
gritty meadow
unless you have a actual point, you are just sprouting ..... bs ... now :)
i think i get your point, BUT
yeah
lethal granite
no im comparing the amd cpus for laptops back then and untill recently to phones performances
like amd wasnt even a though ever till this year
gritty meadow
again, not the fault of the tech itself
the tech had the capability
need i remind you what is powering the current consoles?
lethal granite
very true
gritty meadow
again, i am all for calling a design bad, IF its the design that is bad
lethal granite
so glad they finally became more aggressive with the vendors honestly
gritty meadow
design/architecture in this context
and yes, them having some weight to throw around helps make another venue more interesting again
lethal granite
just need intel to shrink their dyes for less heat and laptop market will be even more amazing.
gritty meadow
(laptop venue in this case)
you have read the recent Tiger Lake test vehicle articles?
lethal granite
although with the current state of the laptop market, its pretty reasonable, if intel started competing could it really even drop any more then it is?
gritty meadow
if not.
thats a solid start
ignore the comparison stuff with amd, look at the tech itself for that
(because that is the topic of what we are talking about here)
lethal granite
wait only 50 wat 4.8ghz?
gritty meadow
i would recommend that you give all of that article a read
Ian and Andrei do lovely dive articles like that one :)
and now, not because i want to, but because i have to. I am going to leave (clients are going to be fairly annoyed if i dont show up on time)
lethal granite
this allows a vendor to saturate a market with anything and everything in between with this architecture
that part is impressive
gritty meadow
but, please, IF you feel like talking about stuff like this again. swing by. I enjoy talking about it.
just generally, dont try and do it in #general-chat
that is just a waste of time :)
lethal granite
do they intend on making an 8core design though?
lethal granite
will it be priced competively vs the amd variant
because as of right now, AMD is the only option for on the go video editing option for vloggers and youtubers.
burnt notch
Hey I was wondering what’s the difference between b550 tomahawk and x570 tomahawk. And since the X570 is a couple dollars more why not just go for it
And is the tomahawk good? I just assumed from the b450 that it’s good
long geyser
tomahawk is overpriced for 99.9999% of people
very rarely will someone actually need anything that the board provides of which lower end boards dont provide
That goes for any of the tomahawk boards from b450 - x570
granite river
fallen lynx
for B550 i think the MSI MPG Gaming Plus is a better value
550 Tomahawk costs way too much for what it is
hollow thorn
B550 pro vdh wifi do be good value
neat estuary
You do get a pretty massive Vrm upgrade with the Tomahawk
And type c front header no?
neat estuary
I mean a front panel type c header. I’m a fan of good VRM.
hollow thorn
Yes
Front panel usb c uses internal 20 pin usb 3.1 header
19pin was 3.0 20pin is 3.1 oops
dusky pagoda
Should i get ddr4 3600 or 3200
cunning pumice
Whats the cas latency? C18 C16?
dusky pagoda
Both C16
cunning pumice
Ye go 3600
dusky pagoda
Ok
willow wagon
How much better is the 3700x? Such as for streaming or having a bunch of applications for work
Than the 3600 sorry
gritty meadow
easiest answer: Go and look for people that do that, with that hardware
willow wagon
The 3700x and 3080 are what I’m looking at and they seem to go better than the 3600 would
dusky pagoda
What mobo should i get for 3900x i want something with good oc abilitys and features
cunning pumice
Probably a motherboard with a 12+2 power phase or higher
Just so it can be used to its full potential
gritty meadow
@dusky pagoda link your build, and what is your budget again?
blissful silo
I dont really know much about motherboards
cunning pumice
Does that motherboard have good enough vrm coolers?
gritty meadow
yes
cunning pumice
Ok
gritty meadow
that depends entirely on you.
blissful silo
All my parts are more on the cheaper sidr
gritty meadow
main difference between that boards chipset and the replacement one (b550) is guaranteed future support and minor IO changes (which do not matter for you)
blissful silo
Ok, so I should get it?
gritty meadow
that is your choice
blissful silo
Because I dont really know much, this is my first time building a pc
blissful silo
I have alo my parts, but not on a part pucker list
gritty meadow
the simplest way to talk about them and reference them, is by you putting them in a list here https://pcpartpicker.com/
cunning pumice
So thats your motherboard?
blissful silo
Yes
gritty meadow
and your budget max is?
blissful silo
Around 650 - 700
charred venture
wd blue ssd :((
blissful silo
Is that bad?
gritty meadow
no
gritty meadow
how much of this list do you already have?
blissful silo
Nothing😢
I just ordered my case
2 days ago
I'm just trying to make sure that it is good and that everything will fit and that no problems will occur
gritty meadow
as the list is, it will work
just consider the following
that one, 10 usd more, for a doubling in space
blissful silo
Ok thank you, I might consider that
But can you tell me if I return an item, will I get my money back automatically
gritty meadow
i have no idea, that is something that depends on the seller
blissful silo
I'm prettyvsure its from newegg
gritty meadow
again, ask newegg about that then :)
blissful silo
('°')
gritty meadow
and i have no idea what that means.
blissful silo
I dont either just random
mighty folio
I have an older PSU: https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-w0106ru-700w/p/N82E16817153039 that works fine but I'm upgrading the mobo & all. Will it work with newer (Asus Z390) motherboard?
or more genericily: Did motherboard power connectors change in the past um.. 10 years or so?
mighty folio
Here's it's connectors:
1 x Main connector (20+4 pin)
1 x 12V(4+4-pin)
7 x peripheral
6 x SATA
1 x Floppy
2 x PCI-E
mighty folio
Specs say:
1 x 24-pin EATX Power connector(s)
1 x 8-pin ATX 12V Power connector(s)
So, I think I'm good, but wanted a sanity check
cunning pumice
You’re good
mighty folio
Thanks!
willow wagon
Would this mb be worth it over an x570 board for the same price? seems to be very positive overall
naive pendant
yeah b550 boards are great
just a loss of some features
but it has all the necessities
crude flax
for the same price it it depends if you need more storage and io go with x570 if not just go with b550
but b550 has some better things such as gbit 2.5 if that matters to you
hollow thorn
I wouldn't say it's worth OVER an x570 board :P
@willow wagon esp at 200$, an Asus x570 plus wifi will likely do you better
naive pendant
oh true i didnt even realize he was asking if he should get a b550 or an x570, i thought he was just asking if it is still a good option
willow wagon
I need pcie 4, WiFi and at least 4 fan headers. The Gygabyte x570 doesn’t so I’m looking at the ROG-f b550, MSI MPG x570, or TUF x570
hollow thorn
Asus x570 plus wifi :P
willow wagon
The Asus TUF? That’s what I have been most interested in. It’s reviews are very good with plenty of fan headers, it’s x570, and it’s $20 or so cheaper
hollow thorn
"tuf" and "mpg" doesn't tell me anything :P
willow wagon
willow wagon
Okay cool thank you
hollow thorn
"tuf" "meg" "mpg" "rog" "prime" are all just marketting buzzwords
tells you nothing about the motherboard
willow wagon
Oh that’s fair. I’m not knowledgeable when it comes to MBs 😛
burnt notch
B550 or X570?
Cause I want like the “better” stuff just if I keep going for expensive stuff it’s gunna take me longer to get anything so I’m just trying to find a good motherboard. I was thinking asus tuf wifi
x570
But idk if I should just get a cheaper board so I can a pc faster
urban ferry
@burnt notch do you know what processor youre putting in it
i recommend b550 because its cheaper, and great for standard use
b550 chipset is passively cooled (no loud 80mm fan on the chipset), has pcie 4.0, still good for overclocking (depending on board of course), works with 3000 series and upcoming 4000 series, and is cheaper than x570
x570 is good as it can run more pcie 4.0 devices simultaneously, but a standard one gpu and one m2 ssd setup would run perfectly fine in a b550 board
i recently built with the Asus b550-f, and I liked it. The CPU i used was a 3700x, and I will be putting in a RTX 3070 later.
burnt notch
Ima use a 3600 but upgrade down the road
burnt notch
Either a 3700x or whatever 4000 series
urban ferry
b550 will work with both of those
finite elm
Unless theres a decent x570 on sale
I got an ASrock x570 Phantom Gaming 4 for 120$ which works well for me.
hushed coral
should i get a i5 9600k or r5 3600
burnt notch
i think the intel is better for fps and gaming, the 3600 is better for streaming and multitasking stuff
mild jackal
deep vigil
B550 pro vdh wifi
real fulcrum
is a msi z370 a pro compatible with the new mail 3080's?
hollow thorn
@burnt notch keep in mind, B550 boards only when <150$.
Don't grab an extremely overpriced 200$ b550 board
neat estuary
Any know of a 130-160$ B550 with decent wifi?
versed raven
I’m changing from a gigabyte motherboard to a MSI motherboard.
Do I need to do a fresh install or put it all together, plug it in, and it does it’s own thing?
torn sinew
Fresh install of what
versed raven
Windows 10 and all programs
torn sinew
Honestly I don’t think u will have to do a fresh install but I’m not an expert
versed raven
Okay, thanks
neat estuary
Thanks @hollow thorn
hollow thorn
:)
@versed raven windows sometimes doesn't like it when you change motherboards, but usually you can just swap your boot drive into the new motherboard without much problems.
the other times it'll yell at you for activating windows
because it thinks you just plopped it in a new PC
lunar dust
Hey Guys, can you help me out? I originally had some help from you guys to pick a build, specifically the MOBO, but I missed the sale on the orignal MOBO, can you guys recommend another one?
thats my build
worn night
Anyone here ever have an Asus TUF X570?
worn night
The non wifi one I forget the name Mobo
worn night
Yeah ik you have much experience with the X570s?
The X570p was another one I was considering
This the other one I was considering but read some issues with Bootup
hollow thorn
@worn night Customer reviews are .... Interesting to say the least
For example, there's a ton of reviews on the B550 pro vdh wifi having bad bios and problems with booting
But there are no widespread issues with bios
It's a bunch of "he has that problem so I must have it too, and I will leave a negative review because of that"
worn night
@hollow thorn you right about that any product you always gonna have people who complain about everything
hollow thorn
I know of no issues with x570-plus having booting issues.
worn night
Okay good
It's a reasonable price that's why I been thinking of getting it
To pair with my 3700x
hollow thorn
Yes, X570-plus is good.
worn night
Kinda new to building so been tryna research everything I can before getting all the components to put around my CPU
hollow thorn
ofc
worn night
Motherboards been a headache shopping around for cuz there's so much terminology and price ranges
hollow thorn
Just look at actual reviews and not random guy on amazon
Only thing you really need to know if it burns up in front of you :P
everything else is more optional and nice-to-have
worn night
It's usually newegg who has the harshest reviews I've noticed on mobos lol
hollow thorn
¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn night
People are ruthless
hollow thorn
I've seen some weird crap on Amazon
worn night
Lmao
hollow thorn
and yea Newegg people are harsh
because there's a return fee
so people get mad for having to pay basically the shipping
worn night
I get that
Also if I got say a B550 instead of a X570 how simple would the bios update be? Pretty straightforward I'm assuming
hollow thorn
You don't need to
B550 supports 3rd gen without bios flashing
B450 need bios flashing*
worn night
Ohh gotcha
hollow thorn
*-very few times
worn night
So is there any advantage to a x570 over a B550?
worn night
Gotcha
late marlin
Im thinking of upgrading my system here in the future i want to go AMD with ryzen and a corresponding motherboard. What should i get thats reasonably priced and is good for gaming and vr?
hollow thorn
@burnt notch depends on what you do
If you OC, nice, do it
Normal consumer, nah no need, it's less of a cash drain than usual but still meh
hollow thorn
Yes, nice VRMs
burnt notch
Is there a better one for cheaper then?
burnt notch
Oh ok. So it’s kinda like the best of that price?
burnt notch
How would it compare to an asus tuf X570?
hollow thorn
Can't check rn
burnt notch
And overall how not? Is it missing some stuff or just have less of it,
hollow thorn
I'll do it later
hollow thorn
It's really annoying using the database on mobile
burnt notch
Alright
topaz drift
OK, I am a HS teacher (English & IT) and I need to replenish trainer kits for distance learning. I am looking for a reasonably priced (because I need 35 of them) motherboard / CPU pairing that is durable. No major performance requirements here, they are mostly built, have a few labs done on them and then dismantled.
To be honest, my brain hurts and I just can't search anymore
neat estuary
Idk if durable and cheap motherboard goes in the same sentence @topaz drift But generally the cpu wont be a issue no matter what you get. To keep it cheap you may want to look at B450 motherboards ( All we gamers dream of nowadays is AMD as Intel is big baddie)
One cheaper and very popular board that comes to mind is the b450 Tomahawk
green stirrup
orrrrrrrrr if you wanted you could go with used peices and older generation intels perhaps 3rd gen with a 1155 or a amd fx not great performance but farily affordable used
topaz drift
Right, cheap isn't necessary but I do like to budget responsibly. Shopping 1 comp is fine, multiplying it by 30+ makes my face hurt
Yeah, I have been using Gigabyte with a 6th gen, but they are getting hard to find
neat estuary
The B450 Tomahawk runs around 120-130$, A cheap cpu around 100$.. Their are cheaper yet
green stirrup
ohh yea thats for sure youd have to look for a while
if you want you could go with for example a ryzen 3000g
in a micro atx a320 board or b450 board for around 50-80 dollars and the cpu is about 100ish
topaz drift
That sounds about right, thanks
neat estuary
AMD is wildly popular because their boards have been compatible with many generations of CPUs now. We are finally getting a socket change after the 5000 series
topaz drift
I had been trying to keep things really uniform and "industry standard" but most of the kids this year are totally new to tech
neat estuary
Their will always be the Intel/AMD give and take.. Which is wonderful. To properly educate for IT you would have to present both sides
green stirrup
guys umm anyone know how to enable llcs on msi b450 tomahawk?
neat estuary
never heard of the term
green stirrup
load line calibration it increases or decreases ur cpu voltage depending on the load and clock speed u use it when overclocking yet i cant seem to find it here lol
neat estuary
oh. idk tbh. I gave up on AMD OC after watching pros only gain 5%
green stirrup
lol
it made a difference on my 2700 tbh
i got it to 4ghz i could go to 4.2 with llcs
and i got a bif frame jump and processing power
neat estuary
I could bore you to death on RAM OC. but that is extremely complicated and time consuming
green stirrup
lmaoooo
i been trying but i got the corsair vengeance 3000 sticks and they useless for that imo
but man hmu if u know a way id love to learn
neat estuary
Buy good Ram, enable XMP. If you truely want to learn start by searching for vids. Their are some very detailed vids out their. The first thing i recommend you learn is what ea type of memory is capable of. Hyneix, B-die,e-die
devout mothBOT
Cru4y#2043 has been warned
neat estuary
lol
neat estuary
My first struggle was that everything i changed caused a crash.. I didnt understand my ram was bad.
to start with
green stirrup
ah that makes a lot of sense there
neat estuary
A Pro tip is this. Ram overclocking will ruin your OS. You want to get Memtest64 on a UEFI USB so you can boot the test program in bios. Then you wont need to reinstall your OS once a week
neat estuary
I mean the unstable overclocks where you are testing your limits. Once its smooth then its fine
neat estuary
Ya.. Just start playing with it. One hard limit is 1.5 Dram voltage.. Dont exceed that and you wont wreck anything. If all fails you just reset cmos and go again
green stirrup
alright bet ty
hollow thorn
@neat estuary please PLEASE PLEASE don't mention tomahawk when you're talking cheap
that's just
no
and for that situation, tomahawks just don't make sense
Remember, b450 tomahawk is 125$, B450 ds3h or similar is 75$
so please review pricing and purpose before recommending a tomahawk PLEASE
neat estuary
I’m not in the habit of recommending absolute garbage. When reliability is mentioned then especially so. That was kinda why I swung upward a bit.
hollow thorn
ds3h isn't exactly garbage
It has lower end VRMs and features yes
but it isn't going to blow up in your face or anything like that
Prices does not mean durability
Tomahawk doesn't mean durability
hell I doubt motherboard has any factor in durability
@neat estuary I'd like to know how tomahawk will be more durable than a ds3h, just out of curiosity.
neat estuary
Basiclly the way I look at PC components is the exact same as i look at automotive parts. If parts have been tested by a great many people with great results then its a better idea to pay a little extra for that part instead of diving straight at the low end pile. Now if you disagree do reach out to mister ItTeacher and voice your opinion. I didn't say nothing else would absolutely not work, Here we likely each have our own way of evaluateing stuff
hollow thorn
I will, but I also simply have problem with the tomahawk being recommended in every situation without much of a reason.
Because in most of these situations, I don't believe the tomahawk is a good option.
No offense, but every time I see a board come out of you, it's some tomahawk :P
neat estuary
Not really :p Only when someone starts discussing budgets and they want something (cool) looking.. I rarely if ever build with them
hollow thorn
Just saying what I'm noticing.
If you don't actually suggest tomahawk for everything, great, but I'm noticing it a lot.
neat estuary
The only Tomahawk that generally meets my requirements is the x570 version.. Ive had 2 customer insist on WIFI x570 and i ended up with that
hollow thorn
Just what I'm noticing, maybe you should look at the boards you're recommending, you might not even realize you're recommending tomahawk for everything.
neat estuary
Ill have to remember that!
hollow thorn
For example, I know I recommend MSI B550m pro-vdh wifi a lot, sometimes when it doesn't really make sense, that's why I have Naed and Hei that'll yell at me when it makes more sense for say a B550 pg4 + Intel nic for the better SPC and such.
neat estuary
I agree with that. I also forget what its called whenever im trying to think of it. That board has the same VRM as the B450 Tomahawk with gen 4 support and is a excellent budget choice
hollow thorn
Anyways, @topaz drift motherboard wise, it might make more sense for you to grab a cheaper board that doesn't have all the fancy features that comes with a Tomahawk max, but would still be good for your use case. For example, a Gigabyte B450m Ds3h at 75$.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FWVJSHC
Exact same VRMs?
I can find it if it's got the exact same VRMs lemme see
neat estuary
If i remember correctly. I watched Hardware Unboxed go over it and i do think that is the one he referenced
hollow thorn
@neat estuary MSI B550-a pro and B550 Gaming plus uses the same mosfets, but run 5x2 CPU VCC instead of just true 4 phase on tomahawk
But remember, motherboards aren't just VRMs, there's other things to keep in mind :)
Both of those still run the cheaper and worse ALC 892 sound chip the original tomahawk had
instead of an ALC1200 you would find in a pg4 at a similar price :D
and of course, those 2 beat pg4 in other places
like USB ports, and an internal USB 3.1 header
neat estuary
Now your heading way beyond my knowledge of low end picks. Im going to leave low range boards in your hands.
hollow thorn
It's all back and forth, that's why you might need to at least wait and get all the info you need before giving a suggestion :)
neat estuary
I focus mainly on the the 160-300$ stuff in my stuff
hollow thorn
Similar thing even for the high end market :)
But it's less of an issue there
it's kinda expected for a 200$+ mobo to have a good sound chip, and good connectivity
neat estuary
Mostly my concerns their are wifi,Type c front header, Back USB ports, Digital readout, Lane layout for multi PCIE stuff etc. ANd oh ya.. gotta look good for some guys i suppose. It actually makes building PCs a lot easier
hollow thorn
Mhm, 3.1 internal is pretty rare in the lower end, which makes them very valuable for a budget board, but not as much in the higher end.
neat estuary
I actually didnt realize that until you said it... I went like HUH
hollow thorn
Though sometimes I need to question them for needing a 3.1 internal header, because half of the time it's for a H510's USB C front panel connector, and uh yea...
Pro vdh wifi actually has a usb 3.1 internal header, which makes it quite nice for budget, kinda a do-it-all
just no usb c rear io
fossil slate
.
cyan falcon
Whatever happened to the mans that put thermal paste in the socket?
charred venture
he had very cool pins
vocal ivy
Hey everybody quick question, I am currently upgrading my motherboard cause I was using an MSI A320 motherboard for my ryzen 5 3600, so I am upgrading the motherboard to a Aorus b550 elite and I wanted to know if is it okay just to do driver uninstall and install the new mobo? Or is a fresh install recommended? I am also using a free windows 10 pro
umbral fog
I mean for the most part fresh install is usually what I do for any major component swap except maybe RAM
light shoal
hry bebs
hollow thorn
Wegg
misty belfry
where would i go to chat about laptops
i am in the market for refurbs and i can't find an exact laptop channel
i feel like here is as close as you get to it
oh you're not a mod, i probably can't ask a mod this early in the morning
gritty meadow
https://www.techpowerup.com/272545/corsair-launches-cx-f-rgb-entry-level-power-supply-lineup <- this is ... @long geyser i have something for you!
long geyser
@gritty meadow given that Corsair has usually not failed in their PSUs for a while, have decent hopes for that one. Will look into reviews whenever they come out
gritty meadow
aye aye, i just find the thought of RGB being important in that segment funny as all heck
quaint current
having rgb adds 3 different protections and increases the 80+ level up one
hollow thorn
Yes, rgb = cheap now
clever copper
I am looking for input on the best combination of mobo and memory for the RYZEN 3990X, sTRX4.
burnt finch
if I upgrade my ryzen 5 2600 to a ryzen 7 3700x will it bottleneck my other components
heady root
whats ur other components
odd lion
if I get 3000MHz RAM and pair it with i3-6100 the RAM would get downclocked but still work, right?
gritty meadow
aye
odd lion
mkay
gritty meadow
downclocking generally works
because it just falls back to a slower mode
that is all that happens
odd lion
ty
hollow thorn
@gritty meadow hey uh I thought of the phase I was thinking about 2 days ago,
I'm pretty sure I was trying to say "Memory training", but since it never came up, is it a correct term? Or have I had misconceptions about things like that :(
heady root
at that price i'd rather a b550 tomahawk
or push the bank and get that gigabyte vision d
blissful dragon
Yeah $200 off-sale .3.
The b550 was appealing to me yeah but
Me personally, I’d rather spend the extra $20 and get the 2nd pcie 4.0 slot and have the x1 slots be 4.0 too
But mr cntrl showed me a cheaper mobo that’s the same as the steel legend, atleast mostly from what I saw from looking at it for a min
@heady root I was gonna wait till the special sale Friday to roll around
Maybe snatch up a flagship for the same price 🤔
lunar dust
Is there anything I can do if I need 2 addressable gen 2 headers
On the motherboard, but I only have 1
?
blissful dragon
Yeah
Splitty split
Atleast I think you can split addressable headers right?
Cause it’s 91%?
I used rubbing alcohol for mine
blissful silo
I just use my spit
burnt notch
good ol spit
finite elm
is the 3800x worth it over the 3700x?
tawny spoke
Hey guys I recently bought a 3900x for my first pc build and now hearing a newer version being released next month😐. Any1 has a good guess on how much more it will be priced?
tawny spoke
thanks @gritty meadow, im going to return the 3900x and patiently wait then.
gritty meadow
consider this
there is a very close to no chance of the 3900x going up in price
and depending on the return policy of the store you bought it from, you could just keep it and return IF the zen3 chips are interesting for you :)
and you are very welcome @tawny spoke :)
naive pendant
What's a good motherboard with WiFi for the r7 3700x? I'm gonna be building it in a atx case
dusky pagoda
My friend has ddr3 ram is that why his performance is bad?
He also has 1080 and intel 4750
hollow thorn
GTX 1080 + I5 4570 for 300$ is fine
dusky pagoda
It had mobo ram and cpu
hollow thorn
@neat estuary I wouldn't have if you didn't ping me :P
B550 Taichi so expensive lmfaooo
290$
come on
X570 plus wifi is 100$ cheaper
4570 is like an optiplex cpu
@dusky pagoda it's literally a CPU that's in optiplexs
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-9020-SFF-Core-i5-4570-3-2Ghz-8GBRAM-500GBHDD-Win-10-Pro/193681424619
BRO
USERBENCH
NOOOOOO
NO NO NO
@dark flame GET OUT
dark flame
sorry I delete 
that was honestly my biggest mistake in building my own pc
going by userbenchmark
idiot
hollow thorn
i5 4570 vs r5 3600 via Passmark :
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-4570-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/1896vs3481
main pulsar
ahh, much better
dark flame
beautiful
hollow thorn
interesting vrm stages tho
neat estuary
@hollow thorn @naive pendant I think the options are really cheap or really spendy. From the VDH wifi to the Aorus Pro AC. I think there is no middle ground their
hollow thorn
not great, but moar
I mean not really?
you know that pg4+wireless card is an option right
I like default going lower end because motherboard REALLY doesn't matter for most people
neat estuary
Their is the Asrock with that m.2 WiFi slot. Idk what joe is after. I’m just throwing out some ideas.
naive pendant
Just anything that I can connect my pc to my wireless wifi when I build it, I unfortunately can't run an Ethernet cable to it
naive pendant
Alright thanks 💯
hollow thorn
b550m pro vdh isn't "as cheap as you can go" lol
It's still a great board
you can go cheaper with b450 ds3h + intel nic
naive pendant
But for a b550 it's the cheapest right?
azure wharf
I JUST GOT A 10900K FOR ONLY $350
UN USED
whats a good mobo for around $170 that has wifi and is compatible with 3080 and 10900k
azure wharf
thx
umbral fog
idk if id get that one
cunning pumice
Anyone got a good B550 Board?
umbral fog
no wifi?
cunning pumice
Yeah no wifi
umbral fog
aorus pro is 170
cunning pumice
I could get a pcie card
umbral fog
the elite is 150
cunning pumice
Damn ok lemme look at the pro
cunning pumice
How are the vrm coolers on the aorus pro
neat estuary
Aorus Pro has a great VRM. It however is haveing some stability issues. They might have fixed it by now with bios updates from a article i read a bit ago
Honestly Aorus Pro is in that sweet spot I like. Its one of my favorite looking boards that checks most of the boxes i like
Their is a V2 version listed on their website with a Front Type C Header. I hope they release it soon
cunning pumice
Will they release b650
neat estuary
Their are no plans for it atm i think
cunning pumice
Ah damn i was kinda waiting for that but i will wait and see if there is none after zen 3 release then I will get b550
worn night
Feedback on this
It's only 127.99 on walmart rn
Seems like a good deal but I dunno if this thing lackin in alot of areas or what
Originally wanted the TUF X570 Plus
But this other one would be a big savings
I'd rather have my 3700x on a bit nicer board but I don't wanna spend crazy money
neat estuary
Just scored a new open box B550-e for 167$ 😄
worn night
Bro I'm always suspicious of open box so I avoid it but how is it? @neat estuary any little parts missing or anything?
neat estuary
I wont have it for a few days.. At that price idk if the accessories are missing. Its Ebay so if it doesnt work ill just return it. In the Pics its literally brand new with box
neat estuary
269
devout mothBOT
Big Dilf#7704 has been warned
gritty meadow
you have no need to.
worn night
😳
wind field
Thoughts on ryzen 9 3900x?
worn night
^
wind field
@Cru4y yeah that one of the reasons I'm going with it lol
buoyant relic
Is there anybody that has experience with the asrock steel legend?
gritty meadow
what do you want to know about it @buoyant relic ?
main temple
This look good https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PZHHvW
gritty meadow
@main temple you need 2 sticks of ram, or you are limiting yourself a fair deal
main temple
@gritty meadow thx
buoyant relic
Well I don't know if I plug the wrong connectors in or not but basically it won't turn on
gritty meadow
show a picture of your board (just send it in pm)
buoyant relic
Ok
gritty meadow
on behalf of @buoyant relic
it looks like things are connected and that you have power (based on the green light on the chipset heatsink)
buoyant relic
I made sure that the front headers were in the right place.
Does the included speaker have to be put in as well or no?
buoyant relic
3700x
gritty meadow
okay
just to clarify
"Well I don't know if I plug the wrong connectors in or not but basically it won't turn on" <- what do you mean by this? no output to the monitor?
buoyant relic
I push the power button and it won't boot up. No fans spinning, just the mobo rgb is on
gritty meadow
how do you see it does not boot?
buoyant relic
Never mind I'll figure it out. Sorry for bothering
split copper
That was the wrong answer 😔
So I have question
Given the same architecture and clock speed, what would be better? 4c8t vs 6c6t? 4c8t vs 8c8t?
I'm primarily curious about the pros and cons of less cores with SMT and more cores without SMT, but I also need a sanity check after reading a really wack LTT forum thread where somebody asked if 8 threads was better than 6 cores, and practically everybody seemed to fundamentally misunderstand the relationships between cores and threads
Pls sanity check 🙃
gritty meadow
@split copper of the options you listed, (if we exclude exotic boost behaviours and dark silicon) 8c/8t would be the fastest
SMT cannot do something that there isnt hardware to do.
meaning. IF the hardware has leftover "capacity" that isnt being used. SMT can use that
BUT
SMT is NOT equal to a actual core
(however, the problem is you can subdivide what a cpu load actually is, and get into such a mess of definition and bs that no one can figure out what is up and down anymore)
(meaning, you can quite trivially make it appear that a smt thread is equal to an actual core)
basically, give a shout when you are awake @split copper :)
gritty meadow
long story short
its a mess
because its a "it depends" in a "it depends" with a sidedish of "it depends"
meaning, its horrible to try and answer if you dont make certain that all vectors are understood by the person asking about it
and that alone is akin to a nightmare to do
split copper
I hear ya xd
It's not an important comparison to make anyway, expecting any certainty
worn night
@buoyant relic you saying you don't get an image on your screen or anything?
gritty meadow
again, IF you are interested we can talk about it, i would just recommend that we do it by voice, because it will take a LONG time otherwise
split copper
Ah
gritty meadow
because what is making it seem "weird" to you, is most likely the missing history/background/context for "why" we are using SMT
split copper
Hmm 
austere bear
Is a 5 3600 good
main pulsar
yes
finite escarp
@austere bear the 3600x is 10 dollars more on amazon
umbral fog
3600 drops to like 175 all the time
And Zen 3 is 2 weeks away
So either the new CPUs are a good idea or the price dropped Zen 2s would be nice too
topaz shuttle
What is the difference between the 3600 and the 3600xt
And will the 3600 pair good with a 2060 ko
worn night
Yes to the second question
topaz shuttle
Ok
willow wagon
I am about to order one, so I want to ask if I should get a 3700x? I don’t think zen 3 will be much better for me with my use case and I also don’t know how fast they will sell out
willow wagon
I want the 3700x too since it’s better for some of my workloads, better for streaming, and it’ll pair well with a 3080. I might wait for another few years before getting a different cpu instead of waiting for zen 3
I also haven’t heard anything too compelling about zen 3. Sure it’ll be better but there’s always better things coming out
twin cloud
hello can anybody help me about this ? i planning to buy GSKILL Trident Z Royal Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 4000 (PC4 32000) Intel XMP 2.0 Desktop Memory Model F4-4000C16D-16GTRS this ram and also msi x570 gaming edge wifi , are they compatible with each other since motherboard is for amd ? and also do you think it s a clever choice to buy this together? thanks
hollow thorn
@twin cloud well, can you give me a reason for that kit of ram?
neat estuary
My 2 cents. That Ram wont always work with XMP. Even if its supported. When you get to those high speeds its aimed at Ram Overclockers who know what they are doing
quaint current
just get a cheap 3600cl16 kit or solid b die
eternal helm
Yeah you get 2x8 sticms for 75 bucks
icy field
I was leaning towards ultra but not sure if it would be better to spend a little bit more and get an aorus master
(ping me when you message your thoughts)
main pulsar
@icy field normally i would say neither of these super overpriced boards, but if you got the money, they both look sick as hell. the master is only 40 dollars more, but looks way cooler and comes with I/O and overclocking features you may never use. BUT you are already paying 300 for a motherboard, what's 40 dollars more for the superior looking overkill board with the dope ass post code readout?
imo between these boards the choice is clear, the master
icy field
ah ok. yeah I want to somewhat futureproof but also have 3 pcie m.2 slots
I am waiting on the release of zen 3 tho
so if x670 boards come out I might wait and get one of those
main pulsar
just understand these boards are nearly identical for what you need them to do, the only reason i would suggest the master is because if your already paying so much more for overkill, whats 40 dollars?
main pulsar
the power, reset, and cmos clear buttons on my x299 dark are the best
icy field
and I like to tinker and ive heard that mobo handles unstable ocs well
so I might try to learn to OC on it
like when it crashes with the unstable oc it doesnt kill the board basically what I am saying lol
I might NOT go absolute overkill with oc but I do wanna try it
main pulsar
an unstable oc wont harm the board
if you wanna push a board like this to the limit an air cooler or aio isnt gonna cut it
just an fyi
icy field
yeah a chiller would be needed and thats why im not going overkill like that lol
have u seen my list before? @main pulsar
main pulsar
noo
icy field
I know the fans arent extremely great
but I dont wanna pay $130 for corsair fans
plus those coolermaster fans match the preinstalled ones
fyi I already have the 660p and the 2070s
icy field
I didnt even know that evga made mobos lol
main pulsar
i personally would suggest a motherboard thats not more than like 230
yeah, evga makes the best mobos, hands down
icy field
yea I would if u can find one with 3 m.2 slots lol
main pulsar
why triple m.2
main pulsar
nahh
icy field
I want just more space for down the line but I do know they make pcie m.2 cards
icy field
what board would you recommend that looks cool that isnt the Asus Tuf b550 orx570
I dont hate the tuf mobo but just dont like how it looks imo
neat estuary
The B550 Aorus Master at 260$ Has the same VRM as their 700$ x570 version 😄