cpus-mobo-and-memory

[lyric kraken]

not really no..

[gritty meadow]

before you start on anything.

can you go into a bit more detail on what you will be using the machine for?

[hollow thorn]

(specific programs too if you can detail those)

[lyric kraken]

a bit of everything really

I do a bunch of stuff so it all matters to some degree

I may not do it all at this moment but may want to do stuff later.. like encoding video for example.

[gritty meadow]

video encoding: noted.

what else

[lyric kraken]

I use Reaper Daw

audio recording

[gritty meadow]

aye, know it.

noted.

[lyric kraken]

getting into using vst's which seem to take up alot of ram usage

[gritty meadow]

aye, vst's do like ram

[lyric kraken]

yeah that is one of the major things for me to be honest

lots of audio processing required

[gritty meadow]

so it would be safe to say, gaming is the least of what you do?

[lyric kraken]

no not really but it is mostly retro gaming.. old classics for the most part and not the current stuff but it would be nice to be able to grab a current game here or there and play new stuff

[gritty meadow]

hmm

well, what GPU do you currently have?

[lyric kraken]

not a super top priority but I figure if I am going to get a server I might as well be able to..

[gritty meadow]

you wont be getting a server

its a waste of money

[lyric kraken]

I have an Asus RX550-4G

[gritty meadow]

okay

that can be used for now

would you prefer to keep your current case or would you prefer to change to something new?

[lyric kraken]

AMD Radeon RX 550/550X

sorry I am in aida64 to get the details..

[gritty meadow]

no worries

[lyric kraken]

why a waste of money?

I might be doing a web server so I wanted to be abled to experiment with all of that as well..

so it is not a waste, why would it be a waste?

[gritty meadow]

because what you will be getting in a server is overpriced

[lyric kraken]

?

[gritty meadow]

you are paying for features that you dont actually need

let me just grab a quick list as a comparison

[lyric kraken]

like what?

[gritty meadow]

management amongst other things

[lyric kraken]

management? as in data?

[gritty meadow]

system management

remote management

things in that vein

[lyric kraken]

I would not require remote but I am not sure what is meant by system I mean right now there is a million things I dont use in windows but it is there.. you know.. it is no big deal, not everyone is going to use it all..

[gritty meadow]

correct

now please compare the server you linked earlier

with something like this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PwvQTC

[lyric kraken]

I just want the speed is what I am after.. tred of regular PC speed to be honest and I dont honestly want to have to upgrade every few years so I feel it would be worth it if I choose the right parts or pre built server

[gritty meadow]

see above

[hollow thorn]

I second that proposal.

[lyric kraken]

cool Thanks 🙂

[gritty meadow]

and yes, i just grabbed and twisted your list @hollow thorn

because that was the fastest

[hollow thorn]

I knew that looked familiar from what I made in build chat xD

[gritty meadow]

it serves well as an example of what is possible

[lyric kraken]

who makes the best server motherboards?

[gritty meadow]

depends on use case

and please, for your own sake, get the idea of a new server board out of your head

for now, please focus on comparing the list linked above, with the HP you linked earlier

[hollow thorn]

At the moment, consumer hardware can do everything you want to do better than server hardware can at the same price.

[lyric kraken]

why I would like to get a server because of many reasons, it is generally faster and can run 24/7

[gritty meadow]

you are completely missing the point

[hollow thorn]

(Consumer hardware is currently faster, and can run 24/7 just so you know)

[lyric kraken]

point?

I may want to run a website as in host a web site on the server or run an email server or a vb .net chat program and things of that nature..

[gritty meadow]

and none of what you listed, would even make the machine i linked you think about sweating.

[lyric kraken]

all of which would benefit in a very large way if I got a server instead of a regular pc motherboard.

[gritty meadow]

none of what you listed actually "needs" a server set of hardware.

[hollow thorn]

Can you detail what exactly you believe a server would do better in? You should look into that part.

[lyric kraken]

generally it's faster and better performance.

that's about it..

[gritty meadow]

in "what"

[lyric kraken]

everything

[gritty meadow]

factually wrong.

and considering my day job, i should know :)

[lyric kraken]

why would a regular mobo be better than a server I mean come on..

[gritty meadow]

because "server" is just a label mate

have you compared the linked machine with the HP you linked yet?

[lyric kraken]

I hear you I mean I thought that myself, but a server is built for those things, like many tcp connections and web hosting etc..

[hollow thorn]

Here, let me show you a comparison between the CPU in the server you listed, and the CPU we believe is better, I did it for you. :
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Xeon-E-2224-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/3512vs3485

[gritty meadow]

you are drinking the cool-aid a bit too hard mate

[lyric kraken]

haha I hear you well like I said I been out of this for a long time so I would need to do my research and then come back when I know more about current mother boards and whatever..

it's all good..

[gritty meadow]

cpu's have come a LONG way since your current machine was relevant

a polite way of comparing the HP server you linked and the pc we linked is to say that the HP is a waste of space and about as efficient as a fourth of the other.

yes, it had its place in the market

but for your type of workload?

just dont.

[hollow thorn]

That CPU comparison should explain itself. Server VS Desktop CPU at similar prices, seen by Passmark at around the same time, and one just... Slaughters the other

[lyric kraken]

interesting ok I would have to look more into this to be honest but assuming you are right could I then use a regular processor in a server motherboard?

[hollow thorn]

No

There's also no reason for a server motherboard.

[gritty meadow]

as i have been saying since the start

get the idea of a server board out of your head :)

it does not actually help you

heck, lets be a bit blunt about it

[lyric kraken]

like i said I do different things and wanted to experiment with stuff at some point so for me it would be worth it in some way, even if I just got windows server os on a regular setup I wanted to try to run some experimental stuff..

[gritty meadow]

for a server board

the cost starts around 300+

[lyric kraken]

like hosting a website, email server, multi client programs..

[gritty meadow]

the ram for it is another good 400+

then comes the actual server cpu that clocks in around 1000+

your budget is simply not remotely close to the ballpark for an actual server

[hollow thorn]

@lyric kraken I believe it will be beneficial for you to think about this open-minded as a consumer, just go in and look for what fits for you, not "it has to be server stuff".

[naive pendant]

Can't wait till my new MB shows up.

[hollow thorn]

Because consumer stuff does everything your idea of a "Server" can do.

[gritty meadow]

consider this: a "consumer" board can easily support 64+ gigs of ram and 16 cores (32 threads)

thats trivial on a consumer board.

you are "only" talking about a system with 8cores(16 threads) (if you go by our link)

[hollow thorn]

As a reminder, the "server" CPU in the build you linked was running at 4 cores(4 threads)

[gritty meadow]

as i said previously, CPU's have come a LONG way since your current system was relevant

and again, i am NOT trying to prevent you from buying a HP "server" if you want

have at it

[hollow thorn]

It will just be extremely beneficial to do some extra research on the consumer side today :D

[gritty meadow]

it is just a VERY bad investment of money for YOUR workload.

[quaint current]

go amd

[hollow thorn]

nachos we did tho

[quaint current]

no i didnt mean it like that

[lyric kraken]

is amd a better choice than intel in general? I though that a while back intel was the fastest then

[quaint current]

amd is much better value wise

[hollow thorn]

Emphasis on the "a while ago"

[lyric kraken]

haha yeah I know

I know amd has more cores now right?

[quaint current]

yea

[hollow thorn]

And fairly speedy single-core performance too :D

[gritty meadow]

and again, your workload benefits STRONGLY from raw computing power

and that is what AMD brings to the table

intel .... not so much currently

[quaint current]

amd amd amd

[hollow thorn]

Anyways, if you want to just look around at the differences, play around with this with some server chips you know of.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php

Passmark is reputable for being fairly accurate with performance :D

[quaint current]

everybody knows ub is best benchmark

[hollow thorn]

nachos don't confused the poor guy :P

he'll come out of that thinking some 5 year old 4c4t xe chip is the same as a 3700x

[quaint current]

fine

[lyric kraken]

whats better more cores or more ghz?

[gritty meadow]

not that simple

[quaint current]

depends on the workload

[hollow thorn]

Just look at the score as the simplest comparison.

[lyric kraken]

ok thanks I will have to search and then use that site and compare

[hollow thorn]

For the workloads you outlined, both-ish.

Ghz is not the only way of getting higher single-core performance

iPC also matters

[gritty meadow]

raw compute is the main focus for his workload

the clock speed is "high enough"

so, cores cores cores

[hollow thorn]

That too. The overall score on Passmark takes ALL DEM CORES into account :D

[gritty meadow]

@lyric kraken https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar <- have a look here

[hollow thorn]

Anyways, research on this stuff is good for you :D

[lyric kraken]

thanks I am researching now thanks dudes..

[gritty meadow]

best of luck :)

btw @lyric kraken let me just grab a picture to give you some context

there you go @lyric kraken thats some of the kind of stuff i work with

[lyric kraken]

Nice 🙂

[naive pendant]

Hold on, lemme get the launch sequence

[gritty meadow]

that broadcast/monitor station aint going to launch anything @naive pendant

[hollow thorn]

Naed, just wondering, what kinda computer hardware do you have to run that?

[naive pendant]

Not even a career?

[gritty meadow]

that one runs from a mac server

because of the IO and program requirements for their specific workflow

[midnight pollen]

[gritty meadow]

you have seen that one before have you not @midnight pollen ?

[midnight pollen]

i have

[gritty meadow]

thought so :)

[quaint current]

u gotta up ur monitor game tho haha

[gritty meadow]

why?

the monitors are by far the least important in that setup

[hollow thorn]

Surprised no mentions of kbs by nachos

[quaint current]

hm yes is that a full sized keyboard on the left

[gritty meadow]

well, iirc, the guy that owns that setup just uses a custom 130... key mech board

or is it a 150

[quaint current]

he gets a b for having a custom but its a full sized so yeah

[gritty meadow]

its NOT used for typing

there is a regular flat standard mac membrane for that

[lyric kraken]

ok from what someone said before, I asked if you can use a regular cpu in a server mobo but they said you couldn't or shouldn't but my question is, is it possible. Would it technically work fine? or can that not be done? I am asking because I see the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X is an awesome CPU for the price but I might still desire to get the server motherboard I am just not sure if I need the server cpu since this one is cheaper and performs very well. Thanks

[hollow thorn]

Not possible

@lyric kraken "server" motherboards are made to house "server" CPUs, so they have a completely different socket and chipset and all.

And again, "server" motherboards don't offer you any more benefits than a decent consumer motherboard.

[hollow basin]

is there any reason my video card would work in one pcie slot and not the other

I think I had it in the x4 slot when it was working but now it's in the x16 and it's not

[midnight peak]

Hwy. I just wanted to know if u guys think the asus x-570 prime pro or the asus rog strix b550-a is better

They are both white, and as u can guess I'm going for a white build

And by better I mean spec wise and look wise

And which would be the better buy

[topaz shuttle]

So my pc needs wifi but my gpu covers my pci slot for my wifi card what do I do

[midnight peak]

maybe a wifi mobo??

or a usb wifi adaptder

[lyric kraken]

so I might be better off running windows server on a consumer motherboard? I am just asking because I may want to try some stuff like running a 24/7 web server/web site etc..

[topaz shuttle]

Ok

[lyric kraken]

maybe I can get a low powered consumer board and run it 24/7? or would this be a bad idea?

[midnight peak]

im not too sure about server boards

but i would use server boards with server cpus and consumer boards with consumer cpus

@lyric kraken

[lyric kraken]

Ok Thanks

[hollow thorn]

@lyric kraken you don't need to... Most consumer boards ARE low powered

Unless you buy some like X570 xenith extreme or whatever with crazy rgb and crap

@midnight peak try X570-p

150$

[midnight peak]

@hollow thorn I actually was looking at it but ngl it was kinda ugly soooo

I dont know, im trying to make my pc a little flashy and looks good

[gritty meadow]

@lyric kraken you are aware that you dont have to run "windows server" right?

as @hollow thorn talked about earlier, please reconsider how you look at hardware (and i am going to add) software. Because things have changed a LOT since you last looked at it

re: windows server: you dont have to run that to run something like a webserver

or anything else "server" related as such

[hollow basin]

man, I actually got this thing to boot

it only works with one ram stick in though

does that mean the other one is bad

[split copper]

try the other stick in the same slot

[hollow basin]

if I put the other one in it doesn't post or beep or anything. I thought in th e old days, motherboards would let you know what's wrong by beeping and such

[split copper]

in the same slot?

then I suppose it's a dead stick

[hollow basin]

yeah, in the same slot by itself or even any of the other slots along with the working one in another slot

[urban bear]

i’m looking for a decent motherboard, not terribly priced but still quality, is the msi B450 tomahawk fine ?

[heady root]

b550 phantom gaming if it's 115 rn

[dusk trail]

Are there any b550 mobos that support r7 2700x

[old sparrow]

@dusk trail Absolutely. My friend's building another PC with a MSI B550 Gamimg plus with a r5 3600x . Most of the time, as long as the mobo has an AM4 chipset you'll be 100% okay.

[hollow thorn]

@old sparrow they're talking about backwards compatibility with older generations

And it seems like most wouldn't

For example, B550 ds3h don't list ANY 2nd gen chips
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550M-DS3H-rev-1x/support#support-cpu

Well, most shouldn't

@dusk trail @old sparrow

[old sparrow]

@hollow thorn Wierd. I've seen some people running zen2 on b550s

[hollow thorn]

You sure it's B550 not B450?

BTW

Zen 2 is 3000 series

Zen + is 2000 series

2700x is on Zen+
3600x is on Zen 2

So Zen 2 on B550 is just normal

[old sparrow]

My b.
Zen+ ***
But yes. Zen+ on b550.

Never asked about it because I've had my r7 1700 since right before zen+ came out, and I thought all AM4 would work across the board but guess I'm wrong there.....Kind of..?

[hollow thorn]

3xx had up to 3rd gen support (A320,B350,etc)

4xx dropped 1st gen support and has up to 4th gen support (B450, x470)

5xx dropped 2nd gen support and has 4th gen and up support (B550)

x570 is kinda an exception, but it does usually come with a bigger bios chip

[old sparrow]

Gotcha

[hollow thorn]

hmm

thought 4xx dropped 1st gen

but I guess later agesa updates do make the bios sizes bloat

[old sparrow]

Yeah my 1700 is in a x470

[neon geyser]

Might be a silly question but, how much of a difference do you think there would be if I swapped out my i5 6500 for an r5 2600 or something similar? I'm going to build a new system with the ryzen 4000 series anyway

[dusk trail]

Ohh thank you @hollow thorn I suppose I'll have to go with a x570 board base on the chart

[hollow thorn]

Or, you could get a 3600 as a CPU and b550 motherboard :D

@neon geyser I'd go at least for a 3600 from AMD's lineup, and take a look at the single thread score of this.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-6500-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/2599vs3481

[neon geyser]

Yea seems to be a decent improvement, is it worth it tho if I'm building an entirely new rig? Like how bad is the 6500?

[main pulsar]

https://youtu.be/aFHBgb9SY1Y?t=70

just the next like 5 seconds, i love the graph

[hollow thorn]

Lol

@neon geyser well, the platform 6500 is on is not going to offer you much more, AMD will still have 1 more generation on AM4

[neon geyser]

Ok thank you

[naive pendant]

Can anyone tell me that AMD 4000 series are mostly used for what purpose?

[digital kernel]

Basically anything

So far only the laptop models are out though

[full flame]

The ones out now are for laptops. The u series are for more basic use (like 4800u), whereas the h series are more gaming or productivity oriented (like 4800h)

My partner has a Lenovo with the 4700u and it has been perfect for her uses (web browsing, some work with data in stata, running less demanding games)

[lethal glacier]

ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 or ds3h b550? Which one should I get?

[heady root]

phantom

[gusty light]

How do I know which motherboards disable certain ports when one is being used?

[hollow thorn]

@gusty light Motherboard website usually says it, manual always says it.

[urban bear]

who makes better mobos, asus or msi?

[gritty meadow]

both and neither

depends on the specific model

[hollow thorn]

[urban bear]

thanks that makes sense

so comparing an ASUS x570-p vs an MSI B450 tomahawk max

is the asus better in this case

[hollow thorn]

Yes

much better

:P

[naive pendant]

Guyz Ryzen 5 3600xt or i5 10600k ? What's your suggestions ?

how much is the 5 3600xt right now

@naive pendant

if its the same as 3600x

then get the it

if not get the 3600x

or 3600

not the i5

and also what are u gonna be doing

gaming only

or otherstuff

like video and picture editing

[heady root]

3600xt is like 240 and the 10600k is 280

[naive pendant]

Yeah 3600XT and 3600X are the same

how good is this mobo? https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-x299-a-ii/p/N82E16813119213?Description=Asus LGA 2066&cm_re=Asus_LGA 2066-_-13-119-213-_-Product&quicklink=true

I thought you know get some latest one 😂

@naive pendant some V-Ray, Sketch Up, 3D Max and gaming

[pallid prawn]

how do i figure out which sata port is working on my mobo

[gritty meadow]

check your manual

[naive pendant]

So, I'd like to get memory that is at least DDR4-3600, but the latencies on say 4000 are nuts.

[fickle goblet]

do you need a disc drive to Install a new mobo? I don't have a disc drive but il mobo comes with a driver disc

[naive pendant]

I thought you know get some latest one 😂
@naive pendant then get a 3600xt

[quaint current]

3600xt isnt good value for the price

[naive pendant]

What would you recommend?

[quaint current]

3600

[long geyser]

Erm, Nachos, ya made it confusing.
For anyone out there, he meant 3600xt isn't good value for the price but 3600 non xt is

3600x has been on a good price recently too, being only $8 more then 3600 non x. For the small price increase that's a good deal too

[quaint current]

huh wait i forgot the xt part

[naive pendant]

I was a bit confused there, lol

there are 3 types of ryzen 5s

3600

3600x

3600xt

the best value would be the 3600 as i said and nachos and hei said

the 3600x is good but if its like 10 bucks more than the 3600

[long geyser]

You get a better cooler tho with 3600x, I'd say worth the extra ~$8

[hollow thorn]

For now

[naive pendant]

I knew there were three chips, that was not the confusing part. It was Nuc's typo.

still debating between 3600x and 3700x

[naive pendant]

3700x is good

[warped scroll]

3600X is usually bad value unless its only like $15 or less compared to 3600

[naive pendant]

I'm going to need the better cooler for a few months. Until i hit the second stage of the build.

are this motherboard and ram compatible? https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-x299-a-ii/p/N82E16813119213?Description=Asus LGA 2066&cm_re=Asus_LGA 2066-_-13-119-213-_-Product&quicklink=true https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236451?Description=DDR4 2666 corsair&cm_re=DDR4_2666 corsair-_-20-236-451-_-Product

yea

k thx

[fickle goblet]

when i get a new cpu, mobo, and ram, can i just straight connect to all my other components and it works? or do I have to do anything with my os or drivers or something like fhat besides just the hardware install

[nocturne flame]

You should make a parts picker list, it tells you if you’d need to update or if its not compatible @fickle goblet

[cursive bison]

sometimes my PC wont power up, I need to unplug and plug power for it to work again. What could cause this? Mobo? PSU?

[quasi carbon]

is ryzen 9 3900x good for gaming?

[proud pier]

yes

its also great for streaming

and other multithreaded tasks

@quasi carbon

[quasi carbon]

ok

thanks

[quaint current]

if ur just gaming id go 10700k or 3700x

[proud pier]

honestly @quasi carbon you can just get a ryzen 7

[quasi carbon]

k

[torn sinew]

Or 5

[quasi carbon]

where do you find what type a mobo is like ddr4 drr3 drr2 i cant find it

[quaint current]

if its on newegg u should he able to look at the spec sheet or just google it

[torn sinew]

Basically and intel 8th gen + and all Ryzen are ddr4 I’m pretty sure

[naive pendant]

Will a i9 10th gen bottleneck a 3090

[neat estuary]

If it does then their is no hope left.

[fading lynx]

ok i need a little help. just turned on my pc for the first time. vga light on mobi turns on. im not using a gpu just integrated graphics. what should i do?

[flint bone]

hello everyone, can someone help me with a memory question

[naive pendant]

What's the question?

[torn shadow]

My son has the Asus Prime z390a MB. I want to buy him DDR4 memory. Is the G.SKILL Trident Z Royal Series 16GB (NewEgg Item#: N82E16820232773) a proper match?

[proud pier]

yes it should be

[naive pendant]

Good match, but there are certainly cheaper options.

[naive pendant]

anyone known a good motherboard for the ryzen 9 3900x that has 10gb type-c

[naive pendant]

how much power will a skylake-x/kabylake-x i9 extreme take?

[brisk flume]

do you think a 1700X is going to pair well with a 3070 or 3080?

[modern tundra]

@naive pendant most modern motherboards have type-c usb 3.1 or better, and those can carry 10gb+. if you want my reccomendation, https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming/p/N82E16813119312 is pretty damn good, but is a bit pricey

@naive pendant looks like they take 165w on average, i think thats without OC as well

[naive pendant]

mkay

[modern tundra]

@brisk flume thats really not the best combination imo, you would be better off getting a 2700x for the same price, or even going a little more for a 3700x. the 1700x is kinda overpriced for what it is compared to other choices

[neat estuary]

Ya the boost speed is really low until Zen 2. I would go for a Ryzen 5 3600

[steel zodiac]

Man the prices for the 3600 is all over the place right now

[heady root]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-b550-a-gaming/p/N82E16813119349?Description=b550 motherboard&cm_re=b550_motherboard-_-13-119-349-_-Product kinda diggin this mobo

[steel zodiac]

Clean

[gritty meadow]

put the shovel down

[heady root]

never

[gritty meadow]

dont come crying when you have a mainboard that is 6feet under then

[charred venture]

damn

[heady root]

[charred venture]

ive never heard of an analogy this clean

[quaint current]

naed is scary tonight

[hollow thorn]

Naed is being Naed :D

[midnight pollen]

Scary

[native spindle]

Getting new ram, do i just simply replace it with its old slot? dual channel 3200

[naive pendant]

Check the manual

It’ll show you mounting slots

[naive pendant]

@modern tundra thank you

[modern tundra]

np

[naive pendant]

does it have type-c 10gig

?

@modern tundra

[modern tundra]

as far as i know all usb 3.1 can do 10 gig, and that is one

[vague anchor]

If a mobo hasn’t been used and is still in its packing can it die?

[rough junco]

as with all computer boards it is how and where they were stored that determine the condition of the components ... i have had mobos graphics cards as well as hard drives and Ram work just fine after 3 years of sitting in a box in my game room

[hollow thorn]

@vague anchor yes, it's known as "Dead on arrival"

[quaint current]

doa

[neat estuary]

Id like to put together a build with a x570 and a 3950x. Id like 64gbs of ram.. IS their a kit with a xmp that works somewhere?

[hollow thorn]

Uhh yes?

@neat estuary so you're asking about memory compatibility..?

4x16gb 3600mhzc16 is pretty easy to run xmp with a half decent x570 board

[neat estuary]

Im not finding a 64gb Kit thats compatible with the x570 Aorus Elite. I could switch Motherboard i guess

Thats what i was wondering.. The QVL doesnt show any

[hollow thorn]

Don't need to be on QVL

Qvl is what they tested

They usually don't test larger quantity kits

[neat estuary]

Ok. Thats all i needed to know. Ill get a simple 3600 cl16 Gskill kit then

[naive pendant]

Never understood the obsession with needing usb c in a computer
Only thing I have that uses it is my phone and that's still a regular usb on the other end

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant convenience.

[naive pendant]

You already have usb 3 for all your needs

[gritty meadow]

which is a slower port

and depending on what you want to plug, it can be annoying to have to hunt for the right connector

consider this, IF your front ports were usb-c you would have room for more of them up front

(in the same space as the current usb type a ports)

[loud escarp]

Does anyone have an experience with Protronix Series 7 thermal paste?

[jade bobcat]

Was there speculation that DDR4 RAM sticks were going to drop in price near the end of the year?

[neat estuary]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8fmk4n

My bro wants me to build him a work PC. The GPU is a placeholder. Ill buy a used 2060 or something. Nitpick it for me

He works a lot with overlay map data etc. Farming purposes

[hollow thorn]

Tomahawk a bit much eh?

[neat estuary]

Man... His computer guy quoted him 3500$... So what do you think 😄

[hollow thorn]

lmfao that's a steal compared to 3500$ but yea

[neat estuary]

Exactly. I may even give him a gen 4 ssd

[hollow thorn]

For doing what?

[neat estuary]

He is a farmer.So his tractor record data which he then puts on overlays .. So its mostly cpu intensive. I cannot say that he even needs gen 3 speed

[hollow thorn]

yea...

[neat estuary]

I think think for the moment its about right. Im trying to score him a 2060 on hardware swap

[hollow thorn]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xq8Jsk

smth liek dat

[gritty meadow]

does he actually need the gpu grunt @neat estuary ?

[neat estuary]

no.. i just wanna sneak it in:D

[gritty meadow]

waste of money

[hollow thorn]

Wait, why does he need 2x2tb of NVMe storage then if he might not utilize 3rd gen speeds?

[gritty meadow]

in many variations.

first one is the actual cost.

second is electricity

[neat estuary]

I going this route to let him transfer data quickly between the 2

[gritty meadow]

third is potentially noise.

[hollow thorn]

I only picked a x570 board in case he needed multiple 4.0 drives lel

is he running them in raid 1 or something..?

[neat estuary]

I might set it up for him like that actually

[hollow thorn]

they shouldn't need to be transferring too much between drives

[neat estuary]

Im still debating.. I could potential slap in a Dramless drive in the second slot

[gritty meadow]

why exactly would he need to transfer data from one to the other "quickly"?

[neat estuary]

beats me.

[gritty meadow]

sit him down, and have a chat with him about what the programs he uses ACTUALLY need

then build a machine for that.

dont build it for his (from the looks of it) misunderstood concepts about performance.

[neat estuary]

I think he will mostly be on loading data, storeing it,, Then offloading data , All at sata speeds

[gritty meadow]

and unless he is in a job where every single second matters, you are overbuilding beyond reason

[neat estuary]

His computer guy quoted him 3500$.. So im overbuilding a little bit. He asked for the best. This is what i consider very overkill. He doesnt have a clue

So im steering slightly overbuilt just in case

[gritty meadow]

how about solving the task instead of leaving reason at the door.

[hollow thorn]

You should ask him what he wants "the best" in.

[neat estuary]

Ya ill have another chat with him

[hollow thorn]

of course if he wants the fastest drives for loading up area maps with farming data, we can do that, but let's not jump to conclusions.

[rustic storm]

Ryzen 3 3100 for 114$ or Ryzen 5 1600 for 180

Af^^

[proud pier]

wow ryzen cpu prices are even more expensive than i thought

get the 1600af if its cheaper than the ryzen 5 2600

and vice versa

because they are basically the same

@rustic storm

[hollow thorn]

3100

Do it

[proud pier]

depends on ur budget too

[rustic storm]

It’s a budget build tho and 3100 is somewhat same performance as 1600af

Does the 4vs6 cores make a@big difference

[hollow thorn]

Not in games

[jade bobcat]

Can anyone tell me the difference between the Samsung 970 Evo and Evo Plus? The plus is on sale and is only $10 right now. It appears the read/write speeds are higher. Worth it?

[proud pier]

wait the 970 evo is 10 bucks rn

where

[jade bobcat]

$10 more**

[quaint current]

he means more

[jade bobcat]

Sorry

[proud pier]

ik

its fine it was a joke

[hollow thorn]

Samsung SSDs are overpriced most of the time

So how much exactly are they priced right now?

[jade bobcat]

The Evo Plus is $100 right now. If you know of an alternative NVMe 500gb (or 1tb wishful thinking) for less that's not a cheap off-brand, let me know!

[hollow thorn]

Oh boy

[quaint current]

sn750

should be like 70

[hollow thorn]

105$ gets you a 1tb crucial p1

[jade bobcat]

I'm very new at builds and parts so I'm unfamiliar with both brands but I trust you guys.

[proud pier]

there is a 1tb wd blue nvme ssd for 110 i think

i saw it yesterday

it couldve been a sale though

[hollow thorn]

Blue isn't great

[split copper]

Blue isn't NVMe

[hollow thorn]

Blue is either SATA

Or sn550

[proud pier]

really?

[split copper]

oh ok

there is NVMe blue smh

[jade bobcat]

Looks like the WD black SN750 500GB is $80 right now. Not bad. How important is a heatsink on an SSD?

[split copper]

WD Blue SATA is great for SATA

[jade bobcat]

I'd rather use NVMe.

[hollow thorn]

P1 1tb is 105$ for NVMe drive with dram btw

[proud pier]

i dont know much on ssds but if ur on a budget get a sata

thoguh

[hollow thorn]

@split copper sn550 is NVMe blue but dramless

Ni

[proud pier]

105 bucks is a good price

[hollow thorn]

Budget ssd = P1

[split copper]

yeah that doesn't sound too good

[hollow thorn]

It's the same price as sata, except NVMe and with dram

[jade bobcat]

Not on a budget, but don't want to overpay, or get something knockoff or a crappy brand.

Sounds like Crucial p1 for 1TB is the way to go for value? Just not familiar with the brand so I overlooked it.

But if you guys here trust the brand, it sounds like a good choice.

[hollow thorn]

Crucial is a pretty big brand

You can look them up

[jade bobcat]

I believe you. I've only been in this Discord for a few weeks but every question I've had you've been on top of with good answers lol.

Last question - G.Skill vs Corsair for RAM? Just go with what's cheaper? Same specs.

[quaint current]

cheaper

[hollow thorn]

G.skill imo, close enough though

[jade bobcat]

Thank you

[fickle goblet]

I just got a new mobo, ram, and cpu, and when I turn on the pc the "vga" led comes on and i can't see anything on the monitor and im not sure what to do

[hollow thorn]

Using a graphics card or iGPU?

[fickle goblet]

graphics card

[hollow thorn]

I guess you should check power cables on the GPU

[fickle goblet]

the fans on the graphics card spin and turn on just fine

[gritty meadow]

that does not exclude the cables from being plugged all the way in

[fickle goblet]

well i I took it out and put it back in, led is still lit

the manual said if the power is on but there is no display, to take out the second stick of ram and start the pc. i tried that and the pc turns on but now there's no led at all

and still no display

[daring sinew]

is getting the i7-9700k worth the extra money vs the i5-9600k?

[opal plume]

@daring sinew go 9600k unless you need more cores/threads

[daring sinew]

im not sure if i need them or not, my pc performs quite well on the games i play like rust and siege and i have a r5 1600 with a 1070

so id assume a 9600k would be just fine

[naive pendant]

Ohhh, this motherboard is So nice.

[grim fox]

The 9700k never felt worth it to me

9900k makes sense to some degree

But 9600k is gonna be fine for the majority of gamers

[vague anchor]

i have a question

i have a mobo that has never been used and still is ints packin

is there a chance it could be dead

like its brand new

[umbral fog]

@vague anchor I mean things can be doa

[vague anchor]

what are the chances ?

@umbral fog

[naive pendant]

Pretty slim, usually

So long as it hasn't been banged around.

[umbral fog]

Pretty slim but it happens

Have you seen those ups drivers that just yeet packages

[vague anchor]

idk tking its had been banged, like it's in full pakcing and no damgae

[umbral fog]

Why are you worried btw

[vague anchor]

cuz i just bought the rest of the parts after like having a mobo just sitting there for a year

[umbral fog]

You waiting on the cpu or something?

[vague anchor]

yea

[umbral fog]

I mean

Parts sit on shelf for years all the time

[vague anchor]

wdym?

[naive pendant]

Yeah, not like they expire.

[umbral fog]

Idk why you're so worried that it's been a while since you got it

[vague anchor]

like its my first pc and i want everything to work so im looking at every single part of it

[umbral fog]

Sure it'll suck if it doesn't but it has a warranty

[vague anchor]

the warranty ran out lol

[umbral fog]

What?

[vague anchor]

yea

[umbral fog]

Aren't they usually like 3 years?

[naive pendant]

Warranty should be at least 3 years

[vague anchor]

i got it from best buy and at the time they only gave one for 6 months

yea i asked them to they said they only have 6 months

[umbral fog]

No the mobo manufacturer

[naive pendant]

^

[umbral fog]

Not bestbuy

[vague anchor]

its a msi mobo

idk ill have to chekc that then

[umbral fog]

Should be like 3 years from purchase or delivery date

[vague anchor]

but yk i just dont want it to be dead or sum yk

[umbral fog]

I get you

[vague anchor]

like im 15 and i worked hard for the money and i dont want it to be a waste

[umbral fog]

It's just a pretty low chance

[vague anchor]

thats good to hear

[umbral fog]

For amd I'd say lower because no pins on mobo

[vague anchor]

no its i7

[umbral fog]

Idk like I know there is a protective cover

I just don't trust pins not to bend

[vague anchor]

like where the cpu goes there is a cover on it

like a black panel

[umbral fog]

It's Intel they have a cover

[naive pendant]

Honestly just sitting is about the safest thing that can happen to a MB.

[vague anchor]

but idk where the mobo has been yk

[umbral fog]

It's how it is until you buy it

[vague anchor]

like maybe in shipping they threw it or sum
\

[umbral fog]

Lol

[vague anchor]

then i also have gpu with the same thing lol

[umbral fog]

MSI packs their mobos pretty well

[naive pendant]

That's when you call the manufacturer and tell them it's not working and you have no idea why.

[vague anchor]

ight thank you everybody for your help

[umbral fog]

Good luck on the pc buuld

Build*

Should be relatively easy though

[vague anchor]

thank you man btw it was a challenge from a friend

i have to use a i7-5820k lol

:(

[umbral fog]

It's easier than dealing with crappy windows problems

5820k

Wow

[vague anchor]

yea

with a 1050ti

[umbral fog]

Uh what?

How much money did you spend on this?

[vague anchor]

like i alr had the gpu, mobo and other stuff

i needed psu, cpu, ram, storage

a total of like 200

300

[umbral fog]

Kinda surprised you got that mobo new

[vague anchor]

yea i got it when i was planning to build a full on pc but got busy with other stuff

[umbral fog]

Well what I mean is it's a pretty old socket

[vague anchor]

yea but its still good for like light gaming

[umbral fog]

I mean it should be fine if the parts are still good

6 core 12 thread will be fine

[vague anchor]

yea everthing is new except the cpu i got off ebay

he said everything worked and has never had a problem

[umbral fog]

Boost frequency ain't the greatest but it'll be fine

[vague anchor]

yea fs

[umbral fog]

I personally rather get newer parts for the sake of replaceability

But looks like you got a good deal

[vague anchor]

yea eveyrthing is new agian the cpu cuz if i got that new it would have been expensive

yea i think i did i got it for 90

[umbral fog]

You make sure you buy it from someone who accepts returns?

[vague anchor]

yea ebay has 30 day return policy after delivery

but thank you for all the help and giving me more hope

[misty belfry]

ripperoni and cheese

AMD's Robert Hallock has confirmed that the upcoming AMD Ryzen 4000 Zen 3 processors will be compatible with Socket AM4 as long as the motherboard features an X570 or B550 chipset. ..

i've got a B450 and i'm not set to upgrade it...

so probably target a 3600x to replace my 2700, some better performance for real world stuff either way

i mean a B550 motherboard can't be expensive really but

i need mini ITX and doing a whole new build is a lot of stress i don't want, stress for the original build was very high mostly because of front panel connectors and cable management

B550 is compelling though...

PCIe 4 x4 M.2 NVMe slot

so, ridic fast SSDs

waiting for someone to chime in like "but get a 2.5"

[gritty meadow]

wondering how come you first noticed this now

[misty belfry]

noticed what now

[gritty meadow]

the 4000 series support was announced a while back

[misty belfry]

oh

i totally missed it

getting the new motherboard first i think ought to be a priority, even though it's gonna sting to have to rebuild everything again

i really don't know how i missed it either

i have friends who post stuff about stuff and they never posted this

but, right now it's either get a 3000 series and miss out on Zen3

[gritty meadow]

as in, we are not talking recently

it was back in may or something like that

[misty belfry]

yeah, it may be surprising to you but i only take interest in news of this stuff when i'm actually looking at new components

[gritty meadow]

why would that be surprising?

[misty belfry]

well, most people here are on it constantly

i'm less interested in the constant following of news

[gritty meadow]

i would consider that a sign of sanity.

[misty belfry]

or there are a lot of users who are perpetually sort of seeking components

which is valid and good, but not me

[gritty meadow]

would you like some good news?

[misty belfry]

what might that be?

[gritty meadow]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15807/amd-to-support-zen-3-and-ryzen-4000-cpus-on-b450-and-x470-motherboards

[misty belfry]

i think news from you is often good

oh wait what

good

i don't need PCIe 4 that bad

[gritty meadow]

keep in mind, it depends entirely on the manufacturer of your mainboard.

but there is a chance.

[misty belfry]

i have a gigabutt motherboard

i am fairly sure they'll give bios for one of their mid end B450s

anyway, glad there's news to contradict what i read

it gives me hope

[grave crest]

looking for 32gb (2x16) ddr4 ram sets ( 4000mhz) that are slimmer than trident.Z since my hardline doesn't have room for tall ram
if anyone knows of a kit

(Will send pic of how much room I have as it won't let me send in here)

[neat estuary]

Gigabutt. Great 😄

[naive pendant]

need some confirmation if I should heave pc partpcikers warning about motherboard may not be compatible with somethn

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RCDL8M

dm me what u think

pls only if u have experience, if u have 0 knowledge building a pc yourself or you are just learning, dont dm me, no offense, just want someone who knows a lot about mobos, i know enough to just choose one but i never used pc part picker and so when it gives me this im like o,O

[split copper]

PCP always says that

lol

[vital field]

the main warning is the bios being updated which pcpp says that for just about every b450 board

the other warning for dimensions, pcpp cant possibly know every single dimension of every single part and combination

so you just have to look up sizes yourself to see if it fits or not

[naive pendant]

ok

ty @vital field

and lol @split copper

kk first time using this lol

[misty belfry]

if i don't get BIOS for Zen3 on this motherboard

i'll just Zen2 upgrade

that's how much i hate the idea of upgrading my motherboard

that and B550s are a whole new step of expensive for ITX

[gritty meadow]

for now

the price of the ITX boards will come down

they always do

[misty belfry]

true

the only real draw for me is the faster SSDs

i think AMD's interesting gatekeeping system involving a CPU serial number... i wonder how they'll implement that

for the B450/X470 boards

and the new BIOS

or really... i wonder if they'll come through at all, given that they want to do some baroque thing

i'm gonna have to seriously consider 3600x vs 4600 or 4600x benchmarks before doing the entire Ryzen 4000 thing

when i upgrade i will go from R7 to R5 since i will prefer the higher clock speeds to more cores for gaming and general computing tasks

that's why hopefully i've got an X series for comparison on the 4600 side

this 2700 was supposed to be a 2600X and the amazon seller hecked the thing up and sent me an R7 2700

i wasn't really too pleased but also i wasn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth

so i just took it

[hollow thorn]

?

x just had slightly higher bin and clocks

[misty belfry]

yeah, i know

but i was preferring that to the 2700's lower clocks and more cores

[hollow thorn]

2700 is a 2600x with 2 more cores and like 200mhz lower clocks, there should not be much if any difference in games :p

[misty belfry]

oic

[hollow thorn]

I had a 2700 my friend a 2600x, same perf basically

[misty belfry]

well maybe this CPU will be enough

maybe an upgrade should wait until the 5000 series

someone post that "wait" image etc

[hollow thorn]

Anyways x isn't a great value proposition 90% of the time

[misty belfry]

i got it because it was very cheap

[hollow thorn]

And also, I'd grab 4th gen since 5th gen will be Am5 with ddr5, and we all know the early adpoter fee

[misty belfry]

ohshi

well maybe grab 4th gen then

my motherboard will probably get the BIOS upgrade

i don't need the ultra fast RAM and while gen4 is nice i don't need it

me, with gen4: gonna buy a 2060 KO and a cheap SSD

wouldn't be necessary really

also Mr1111 there's the problem of AM4 not being supported into further generations

so there's a bit of a problem with upgrading my board when it puts undue frustration on me (i have a neurological disorder which makes my hand movements imprecise and wobbly and front panel connectors are my nemesis)

but the bigger problem is that since AM4 isn't gonna be supported that's one less item to invest in, given a BIOS upgrade

[gritty meadow]

also, on the topic of "faster ssd's". Well, where exactly are you seeing that difference?

@misty belfry above is for you :)

re: front panel connectors: you can get adapters that makes it a "one time per case" thing to do

re: am4: that is just the reality of things. The generation after the 4000 series will (most likely) be using DDR5, so there is a need for a new socket there, no matter what.

[misty belfry]

yeah, and that's fine

but it means i don't want to drop cash on a new motherboard

also don't @ me i'm not buying a 2.5" SSD

[gritty meadow]

also, i would like to remind you, the current chipsets (as they are right this second) support up to 16 core cpu's

[misty belfry]

do i need 16 cores for something?

i don't use anything like video editing software or things that demand CPU in that way

[gritty meadow]

i think you have misread/misunderstood something in what i said.

i am NOT trying to make you buy a 2.5 drive

[misty belfry]

i was actually joking

because someone here was saying you should just buy a 2.5 constantly at one point

[gritty meadow]

that someone belongs in the #general-chat then.

[potent dew]

Will any problems come up with this? The G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3800 CL14 Memory operating voltage of 1.5 V exceeds the AMD Zen 2 CPU recommended maximum of 1.35 V+7% (1.444 V). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1.35 V voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the AMD recommended maximum.

[misty belfry]

oh i have a good question

because INFINITY FABRIC if the RAM i have is 2400, am i suffering performance loss

[gritty meadow]

@potent dew there are no guarantees on things like that.

[potent dew]

Okay

[gritty meadow]

there is "some hit" to performance @misty belfry

[misty belfry]

i don't feel like my system doesn't perform well though

[gritty meadow]

then dont worry about it

[misty belfry]

and i'm not sure if the 2060 KO or 5600 XT i plan to purchase is gonna get bottlenecked by my 2700

[gritty meadow]

just because something can be ascertained in a benchmark, does NOT mean it matters for you.

[misty belfry]

so i wonder why i'm even thinking about a CPU upgrade

since i intend to keep such GPU for a long time

[gritty meadow]

you are aware that the 2060 KO is just a 2060 in gaming workloads right?

[misty belfry]

i am aware yes

i've done research

i understand it can either be like a 2070 or 2080 in non gaming workloads

however none of that is a big concern for me

if i found another 2060 cheaper i'd take it

[gritty meadow]

also, that cpu will be fine. the weak point in the listed above setup would be the GPU

[misty belfry]

well, it's not a weak point if you're gaming in 1080p

[gritty meadow]

in the context of your question/speculation about bottleneck. It is

but as i said before. It might not matter to you.

[misty belfry]

you're calling it a "weak point" in the sense that my CPU is more powerful in terms of gaming than those GPUs are

[gritty meadow]

yes

it can easily feed something much faster GPU wise.

[misty belfry]

so it means: do not buy a new CPU that would be really ridiculous

since i am most concerned with gaming

[gritty meadow]

not ridiculous, just a "interesting" investment

[misty belfry]

ridiculous is my word

doesn't have to be yours

i would consider it a less important thing

[gritty meadow]

aye, i am aware. I am clarifying both for you, and for the peanut gallery of lurkers

[misty belfry]

and potentially a bit of a waste unless i'm looking to do more CPU heavy tasks

oh right Naed

sorry, i forget about lurkers

[gritty meadow]

its just easier for me to cover the bases :)

i would not say it is a waste

its a solid foundation

[misty belfry]

for me it's easy to say i want a new CPU but really understanding what that means took a discussion with you about it

[gritty meadow]

:)

[misty belfry]

i used to say i wanted my PC to last a good 10 years, with intermittent GPU upgrades at the mid range

this is possible but i'm not sure if recommended

[gritty meadow]

well, with the 2700x you have some "headroom" for upgrades on the GPU side

[misty belfry]

i feel like 8 years in it's going to start really choking the GPUs

i could probably get a 3080 and not even be scratching the surface

in terms of choking/bottlenecking

but i don't want a 3080

because i have money constraints and i want other parts too

[gritty meadow]

depending on how the 3080 actually performs, it would be beyond your CPU (in the context of bottlenecks)

[proud pier]

3070?

there should be no bottleneck

but we never know

[gritty meadow]

but, that is something we simply wont know anything about until we have benchmarks

[misty belfry]

benchmarks with a variety of CPUs

[gritty meadow]

because fancy as the graphs from nvidia are. They tell us bugger all about things like that currently :)

[misty belfry]

well of course

[gritty meadow]

of course for you.

[misty belfry]

also, nvidia seemed to care most about performance vs. pascal

lol

i found that funny

"hey, drop your 1080 Ti already, we want money"

[gritty meadow]

NOT for the great mass of gamers chomping at the bit to throw money after a product they dont know how performs

re: perf vs pascal: there is a logical reason for that, and it used to be known as the Intel problem

[misty belfry]

i hesitate to hmm?

er

i was typing something and typed hmm

i lost what i was typing

[gritty meadow]

the older gens perform too well is the problem for nvidia

a person with a 1080 didnt have a compelling reason to upgrade to a 2080

hence the call out for the pascal users

[misty belfry]

i like that 1080s can be had pretty cheap online

it is a consideration

[gritty meadow]

aye

the people who bought a 1080 close to the launch of that card, have been VERY happy for a good number of years now

[misty belfry]

yes

standard, or Ti really

both ended up really good choices

[gritty meadow]

aye, same for the 1070/TI versions

also solid cards

which has lead nvidia to looking at their install base and going "!#¤#¤#¤!!!!!"

[misty belfry]

lol

[gritty meadow]

and hence we got the call out in the stream :)

[misty belfry]

i will probably buy a 1080 via some internet venue like ebay

people say it's a mining card, i say every card is a mining card

i am told it performs about like a 2060

[gritty meadow]

aye, its just a question of electricity price.

[misty belfry]

oh in this apartment i don't pay for electricity

it's included

so, meh

[gritty meadow]

(if its a mining card or not that is)

however, some of the cards that are really good for mining are also very good space heaters

[misty belfry]

lol

like 7950 back in the day

[gritty meadow]

yes

[misty belfry]

i had a 7950 i bought new for gaming

in summer i had to just not game

[gritty meadow]

that and its brother the 7970 had a long glorious run

[misty belfry]

they did

but that heat generation is legendary

[gritty meadow]

those cards suffered from the same problem that nvidia does with the 1070/80 cards

if you had one of them, there was no need to upgrade for a good number of years

and many of them could easily be undervolted and run just fine

[misty belfry]

so was your "aye" in response to "about like a 2060 performance" on the 1080

i think in that case you've got the edge in every respect but RTX because you've also got a couple gigs more of RAM

[gritty meadow]

re: aye: it was in response to the mining comment.

[misty belfry]

oh right

[gritty meadow]

but it could easily be applied to the 1080 as 2060 comment

"close enough" really

and yes, no RT offloading to tensor cores ofc :)

[misty belfry]

anyway, unless they advertise it as having been used for mining, if you get the typical problems associated with mining, you can make a case for ebay to force a return

and they likely will

i've noticed if you make a decent case, ebay will usually do the buyer protection thing

[gritty meadow]

not a big ebay user, we have alternatives here :)

[misty belfry]

yeah no such thing in the US unless you want sketchy deals

we have like, craigslist and things like that where you have to go meet the person and do the deal in person

without any protections

if you're not careful they can take the merch and run

[gritty meadow]

denmark is not that big that you cannot "just" take a trip there and back again the same day

[misty belfry]

haha

it's unfortunate i can't go "back" to Sweden because of immigration problems, I would - I know Sweden has little to do with Denmark except being close physically, and people not wanting to be close physically, but I was merely reminded of that.

[gritty meadow]

well, sweden is nice, in that we are not landlocked with the mountain trolls over there :D

[misty belfry]

lol

[gritty meadow]

but then again, we are all scadinavians

[misty belfry]

my norwegian friend always says danish is like norwegian spoken with a potato in your mouth

[gritty meadow]

aye, i would absolutely agree with that

[misty belfry]

she says this all of the time

like more often than seems healthy

norwegian is a difficult beast in itself though

[gritty meadow]

as long as you remember that norwegian sounds like yoodling with a potato placed in a dark spot.

[misty belfry]

lol

i was trying to learn swedish but i can't master the weird pitch accent

[gritty meadow]

norwegian is silly hard to understand for me.

i can understand swedish fairly easily

as long as its not a motormouth speaking

[misty belfry]

that's interesting given that danish and norwegian are supposed to be closer than danish and swedish

but every scandinavian i know says they can understand swedish

[gritty meadow]

aye

and no one understands finnish

[misty belfry]

well it isn't a scandinavian language

nordic, but not scandinavian

[gritty meadow]

and i am very convinced that not even the finnish understand it

[misty belfry]

finnish is a mess

[gritty meadow]

aye, scandinavian/nordic = fluid terms here :)

[misty belfry]

estonian is like a close family of finnish that is easy to understand and speak

i learned a whole big set of basic words really quickly

retention, though...

need to actually speak

[gritty meadow]

i have only interacted with one person that spoke estonian, and she made her self understood in other ways

[misty belfry]

that's nice

nonverbal communication is good

it's a hallmark of someone's communication skills

[gritty meadow]

so, cant say i have ever been exposed to it

[misty belfry]

well it sounds like finnish except the words are half as long

and it doesn't have as many grammatical cases

by a lot

it is also not mutually intelligible despite being finnic

because estonian is far different in syntax and grammar

and finnish is far too complex

[proud pier]

really?

[gritty meadow]

so what you saying is: Its like finnish, aside from it being completely different?

:P

[misty belfry]

well it sounds like finnish i said

i didn't say it was like finnish

[gritty meadow]

i know, i am just running with your chain.

[misty belfry]

lol

it would be like comparing russian and polish

same family but not close

well, close in some ways but not others

[gritty meadow]

and something you can get punched for doing in the wrong crowd

[misty belfry]

yes lol

anyway, i was saying the comparison is about as distant, despite same family

[gritty meadow]

and that is it for me for today, time to get some sleep and get back to a normal time schedule (for this timezone at least)

[misty belfry]

alright, enjoy the sleep

it's good talking to you

[gritty meadow]

likewise when you get there.

and likewise :)

[jade bobcat]

Per recommendations in this thread I'm going from 4x4 GB to 2x16 (as opposed to 4x8). Is there a certain configuration they have to be inserted into the mobo? For example, do they have to be next to eachother or in 2 specific slots or can they just go in any two slots?

[hollow thorn]

Check manuals, 99% of the time they're spaced apart

Usually it's slots 2 and 4

[jade bobcat]

Thank you, will do. I owe you a beer or something for all of these dumb questions

[hollow thorn]

Heh, no need, afterall that would be illegal :p

[jade bobcat]

When the time comes lol

[hollow thorn]

if you'll remember in a few years lol

[split copper]

https://www.newegg.com/patriot-16gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820220686 is this good DDR3-1600 😳

[jade bobcat]

@hollow thorn
This is all I'm able to find. The first bullet states to use slot 2, but doesn't specify where the second should go. I take that to mean the second could go in 3 or 4?

[hollow thorn]

If first goes to 2, second goes to 4

[proud pier]

if the first is in the 2nd slot then the 2nd is in slot 4

whoop

mr1111 already said that

but yeah

[hollow thorn]

Basically all modern motherboards (with 4 slots) go with 1-3 or 2-4 combos

2-4 being most common

[jade bobcat]

Okay cool. I think I've learned more about PC's in the past week or two of being on this Discord than I've known in my entire life lol. Thanks.

[hollow thorn]

You're welcome :D

[split copper]

wth there's CL7 DDR3-1600

lol nvm they're just misrepresenting it

1066 7-7-7-18

https://www.newegg.com/patriot-16gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820220686 would the 9-9-9-24 timings also represent a slower clock speed?

1333?

oh well, if I buy it I'll just expect it to be 1600 11-11-11-28

what matters is that it's low enough price

[fickle goblet]

anyone ever had issues with their mobo going through post because of a hard drive?

is that a thing?

[main pulsar]

yeah thats a thing

pretty common too

actually, i would say faulty hdds are the most common boot related issue

at least from my experience

[polar mist]

does anybody know why we rate cpu speeds in GHz but ram and gpu speeds in MHz? it just seems kinda odd to me

[fallen lynx]

in the past, RAM was considerably slower than CPU speeds

and even now that is still somewhat true. DDR 3600 really runs at 1800MHz

but does transfers on both rising and falling of the clock so its doubled

And there was a time when CPUs were running well above 1GHz and RAM was still well below that speed.

[polar mist]

ohhh thank you

[dark goblet]

How high can the quality of the stream be if you have like a Ryzen 5 3600X and rtx 3070

[vernal pagoda]

what does google say? ;p

[main pulsar]

if your streaming using nvenc on the GPU, that question doesnt really matter

you could easily push 4k 60 using it tho

the bottleneck will be your internet upload speed and compression

to be clear you could use a 1650 and a 3000g and stream 4k 60 just fine

just depends on what you stream tho lmao

[vernal pagoda]

1650 doesn't have the turing nvenc, tho, IIRC

[main pulsar]

im positive it does

[proud pier]

ryzen cpus are better for streaming compared to intel ones

[main pulsar]

i thought all turing based gpus had nvenc

[vernal pagoda]

let's see if this gets nuked for not being level 3

lul nope

[main pulsar]

even if the 1650 does have the last gen variant of it

[vernal pagoda]

google 1650 nvenc turing

[main pulsar]

4 - TU117 GPUs have Volta encoder, TU106/TU116 GPUs have Turing encoder. Check with manufacturer for exact model.

according to nvidias website they do

just the generation of it varies

also 1650 super has turing nvenc

[vernal pagoda]

i'll begrudgingly accept Skylake+ QuickSync. kinda wish i could test Turing nvenc

obs/x264 feels better man

tho

[naive pendant]

the motherboard I'm getting (z490 msi gaming edge) has these connectors (from website)
1x 4-pin CPU fan connector
1x 4-pin water pump connector
6x 4-pin system fan connectors

If I get an AIO like kraken x63 will I have enough places to plug in the radiator fans? I see only one cpu header

[cloud relic]

get a fan splitter

[naive pendant]

Why

[vital field]

the system fan connectors is where you would plug them into

or a cpu fan splitter

unless the fans included are pwm

[naive pendant]

I think they are pwm

So what does that mean

[charred quarry]

Day 4 of waiting for Ryzen 7 2700X + B450 Motherboard bundle

[vital field]

to put it simply, they make the fans go fast

though if you want to learn more and delve deeper, you can

[naive pendant]

So it means I should use a splitter to plug them into the cpu header? Not the sys ones separately?

[vital field]

also a difference in compatibility would be the fan headers, pwm uses 4 pin and non pwm uses 3 pin but would still work on a 4pin header

depends on how many fans you have in total and what headers the pump itself has

[naive pendant]

Well I would have 4 case fans , plus the 2 with the aio
Idk anything else about the pump

Don't I just put that in the pump headee

[vital field]

not entirely sure with a kraken, id refer to the manual since not all aio's work the same

[naive pendant]

Ok watched some videos and it seems the kraken (at least the x62) comes with a 4 way splitter thing for the fan cables. I guess I'll just plug that into my cpu_fan? Or sys fan?

[gritty meadow]

read the manual

[naive pendant]

Cant find one on the internet

[quaint current]

[naive pendant]

Oh nice didn't see that

Thanks

[gritty meadow]

you are welcome

rule of thumb: always check the manufacturers website for a download link for the manual. (because logically, who else would have the manual...)

[crisp creek]

^

[naive pendant]

It tells me to plug the pump cable into the cpu fan header, so where would I put the fan cable? In sys fan?

Doesn't mention where it goes

[green stirrup]

Yea usually

Or pwm fan if ur mobo has it

[naive pendant]

So that means I cant change the fan speed?

[green stirrup]

No u can change it in the bios settings

[naive pendant]

Alright. Thanks everyone

I'll look up what pwm really means later but now I'm hungry

[hollow thorn]

Pwm is the 4th pin, it allows for fine communication of the speed of the fan

[naive pendant]

Like just measuring what the speed is? Not changing it?

[quaint current]

yeah changing the speed

you can do it with 3 pin through dc control but pwm is much preferred

[hollow thorn]

Dc only allows for like 25% 50% 75% or 100%

[naive pendant]

Oh, so it can set very specific values like 51% that's all

[gritty meadow]

which can be very practical on the noise front of things

[left path]

JUST BOUGHT MSI GL75.... 2 MEM SLOTS....HAS 2X8=16GB MEMORY......WANT TO AT LEAST UPGRADE TO 32GB....WOULD BE BETTER TO PURCHASE 2X16GB OR 1X32GB? GETTING 1X32, WOULD SAVE ME $$ IF I EVER DECIDE TO UPGRADE TO 64GB....OBVIOUSLY......SOOOOO ADVANTAGES OR DISADVANTAGES PERFORMANCE WISE PICKING 2X16 OR 1X32?

[gritty meadow]

please try without the caps.

[left path]

your kidding

[gritty meadow]

no, it is considered fairly rude to yell like that.

[left path]

not yelling...forgot caps on

[gritty meadow]

your question is simple enough to answer: For performance, stick to 2*X sticks

you will basically be cutting your memory bandwidth in half IF you go with single stick

[hollow thorn]

Dual channel memory = fast memory