Look on reddit or something to see what others say about 9900k with asus prime
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
midnight pollen
main pulsar
well, its technically called the UEFI now but whatever
pulsar flame
@midnight pollen people have told me that vrms are not as good as they could be
midnight pollen
I will say a 9900k should be paired with like a rog Maximus series mobo if your going asus
pulsar flame
We are in the bios
midnight pollen
Now what are we looking for in bios?
midnight pollen
My mind is blank
main pulsar
because there is a time in seconds where the cpu is given a certain amount of power
and after that time period it cuts off
and you can change it
so the cpu can boost all cores 4.7 always
midnight pollen
Oh righty
pulsar flame
What should i set it to then
midnight pollen
That would be in advanced
main pulsar
look at the description
pulsar flame
Yeah is it under ai tweaker
main pulsar
it will tell you
pulsar flame
Ok
midnight pollen
I think on my mobo it’s in digi power or something like that
midnight pollen
How about 2 240mm
pulsar flame
We will also remove the power limit
pulsar flame
Ok one sec
main pulsar
before you apply it
pulsar flame
Im still looking for long duration power limit
And am watching a youtube video to find it
main pulsar
take pics, all UEFIs are different
midnight pollen
I’m not sure if asus prime has it
pulsar flame
My power limit is set at 1.35V
midnight pollen
That’s voltage not power
main pulsar
oh, we want the timer
it should be long duration something
because intel is difficult like this
pulsar flame
Ok ill look
midnight pollen
Power management setting
main pulsar
Internal CPU power management
midnight pollen
Something like that
tacit hemlock
Any major difference between 3200 and 3600mhz ram (same timings)
Considering it's a decent amount cheaper is it smarter to just get the 3200mhz?
tacit hemlock
C16 was what I was going for
main pulsar
CL16 3600 is only like 75
tacit hemlock
Yah but (dont scold me for it) I like rgb😂
main pulsar
HA
tacit hemlock
That's where the extra money comes in
main pulsar
yeah thats fine
tacit hemlock
Lol thx
main pulsar
we all have preferences
tacit hemlock
So CL16 3200 vs CL16 3600? Is there that much of a difference?
Regardless of price
main pulsar
not really a huge difference
its nice to keep the FCLK at a 1:1, running at 1800mhz tho
thats what makes it worth it
tacit hemlock
That's a decent price but I wanted 32gbs
main pulsar
ok
tacit hemlock
Ya it is
tacit hemlock
I see that same kit from trident for 190 and I was considering it so not rly
main pulsar
tacit hemlock
Definately my max tho
tacit hemlock
Ya that's it
main pulsar
i think 3600 cl18 might be better tho
tacit hemlock
Why is that?
main pulsar
cuz timings arent really as big
when compared to shaving a whole 200mhz off your FCLK
tacit hemlock
Better in the sense of price I'm assuming
tacit hemlock
I don't really understand the whole 1:1 thing. Do you think you could briefly explain it?
I have a R5 3600 if that helps
tacit hemlock
Lol I'm on mobile so I dont see it
pulsar flame
@main pulsar my phone died sorry my long duration power limit has been maxed out
main pulsar
haha thats fine
pulsar flame
Its been at the max value
pulsar flame
main pulsar
i assume all 3 of those are maxed
pulsar flame
Yes they are
main pulsar
is there a help option or description for those
pulsar flame
Yes
main pulsar
sometimes setting it to like 0 or something else will signify infinity
and it will tell you
pulsar flame
Min:1 Max:4095
pulsar flame
Ok
tacit hemlock
So just answer me this regardless of what I said earlier. For a ryzen 5 3600 what is the best 32gb ram kit I can buy, without considering overclocking, just out of the box performance.
tacit hemlock
Ok so 3600 with a CL16 is ideal then?
tacit hemlock
Alright sounds good. Thank you👍
tacit hemlock
Just bought some beautiful ram. Thanks for the help again
Just did some math and its technically 35% faster and it has double the storage so it should be a pretty nice upgrade
storm wedge
guys i need a honest answer 32GB of rgb trident CL16 300mhz ram or 16GB of standard red/grey B-die CL-15 3000mhz
long geyser
depends on the workload
storm wedge
ignore that not asking you the best value asking which would u rather
@midnight pollen @long geyser
long geyser
32gb as the stuff I do isnt super latency sensitive. Tho that may be different for you
midnight pollen
Yeah cl16 memory is enough for me I’d go 32gb
oak sand
Looks good, dont quote me on that
naive pendant
Ok
fair vessel
I have the x570 Pro Wifi, great board, but crappy software
long geyser
Good cheap board. Nice sound chip, two PCIe M2 slots, meh WiFi chip (better then no WiFi chip I guess, cant get better without spending more tho)
amber raptor
Can I do a bios flash back on a Asus prime x470 pro without an older compatible CPU?
midnight pollen
like flash back before 3rd gen support?
amber raptor
Ya
midnight pollen
mmm idk about that
midnight pollen
why would you want to do that?
quaint current
unless the board supports usb biosflashback ur toast
amber raptor
Cause I was told by some friends that it was a good board for ryzen, and I just bought a r5 3600
quaint current
midnight pollen
well if it wasn't already updated you need a older cpu to update bios for 3rd gen
hollow thorn
MSI boards usually have bios flashback :p
long geyser
@amber raptor most boards come with a new BIOS. Ask the retailer if the board has a 3000 series compatible BIOS
amber raptor
All I needed to do was to look at the box, and I saw a sticker saying that it was amd ryzen 3000 ready
long geyser
then you're good
dusk tide
Needing help. I’m new to PC gaming and not tech savvy at all. But I bought a pre built PC and I’m wanting to replace the motherboard. Installing the new board and swapping parts I can handle. Now will it just boot up and install new drives on its own for the new motherboard or is there something I should prep for before hand? Also will windows 10 carry over as well?
oak sand
@dusk tide it will, what prebuilt and what motherboard?
dusk tide
It’s a cyber power prebuilt. The motherboard on it now is a Cyberpower Asrock B360m Xtreme. And the one I’m getting is a Asus Prime z390-A
oak sand
What cpu are you pairing it with? Id prefer if you had a full spec list
dusk tide
That’s what I bought. Except for some reason I received a GTX 1660 Ti instead of the GTX 1060
quaint current
I wouldn’t get a z390 board for an 8700, can’t overclock which is the main advantage
dusk tide
Yes keeping the CPU. Only things I’m changing is the MoTherboard, Ram and power supply.
oak sand
Dont change mobo
dusk tide
Yeah see I’m new to the PC scene so I don’t know a whole lot on overclocking and all that stuff
dusk tide
I got a slight understanding of overclocking. I’m just simple newbie to this computer world trying to pick up new info on the way. This is my first purchase as time goes on I’ll figure it out. But yeah just wanting to know if I swap these motherboards if I’m going to run into any internal issues if so how should I go about it
oak sand
There is no point in doing so
There will be no performance boost
@dusk tide
Unless its low quality b356
B365*
devout mothBOT
Fawstur#0265 has been warned
dusk tide
Well dang I already purchased the motherboard. As a newbie I’m entitled to one bad buy right? Lol. Well 2 bad purchases the prebuilt being the first.
But to be honest I could not find any info on the motherboard it came with and it seems very generic and stock like.
quaint current
that says amd
but if you could return the motherboard, I’d probably get a better psu and save for a gpu upgrade, 8700 still is a decent cpu
quaint current
that wonk
oak sand
Yeah
dusk tide
Ok so being that you guys no what I’m working with. As far as upgrading parts go what should I start with first
quaint current
If you’re gaming, 6c12t is perfectly fine. Prebuilts usually cheap out on parts like the psu and motherboard, but it’s a locked cpu so doesn’t really matter than overclocking isn’t allowed on b360. I’d upgrade the power supply to perferably a 650w 80+ gold from a decent brand, and save money for another ssd if you run out or a gpu, might wait until next generation stuff comes out as the 1660 ti is still a great 1080p high refresh card
wind flame
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but will Newegg update the BIOS on a mobo if you order it from them. I'm planning on getting a Asus X470 prime pro and it needs to be updated to use Ryzen 3000 CPU's.
also nice name btw @quaint current 👀
cerulean nova
i think you will have to contact the manufacturer directly
wind flame
I might be able to update it myself but if its possible to get it updated before it arrives that would be convenient, even if it costs a bit more
cerulean nova
and unless it is really old stock, it should be already updated
wind flame
Do they ship them with new bios updates usually?
I'm pretty sure its from 2018 so its relatively new
gritty meadow
@wind flame last i asked newegg about it, they didnt offer a "upgrade bios" service. and that was 3-ish weeks ago
wind flame
ah ok
gritty meadow
and to answer your other question
a manufacturer will always ship with the newest bios (stable version) they have.
because nothing else makes sense
however!, keep in mind, there are a number of storage facilities between the manufacturer and you
wind flame
So would it go through Asus to Newegg or would they just pull one they had in storage off the shelf regardless of the BIOS on it
gritty meadow
and IF those facilities are run in a sane way, they are doing FIFO (first in, first out)
wind flame
Yeah that makes more sense actually
gritty meadow
meaning, all the old stock has to be sold first
and we as consumers are not privy to stock information in those facilities :)
wind flame
So there's a good chance it will already have the BIOS update on it?
gritty meadow
depends on the age of the stock and the amount of stock
wind flame
It's from 2018 and still gets supported by Asus so I'm gonna assume its safe
gritty meadow
your logic is a bit flawed
wind flame
nvm lol
gritty meadow
the 3rd gen only got released last year in may
gritty meadow
:)
IF you are very worried about it, check IF you have a retailer in your local area that can perform the upgrade for you
wind flame
theres no retailer around me sadly most of what I get is off Amazon lmao
I know AMD has a rental chip service I might have to use to update it but I have no way to test what BIOS is on the mobo in the first place
gritty meadow
then there is this option https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100
which is the "rental" that you are talking about :)
wind flame
;)
gritty meadow
is there a specific reason for using "that" particular board?
wind flame
the x570 boards are a bit expensive just to support a 3rd gen ryzen and the x470 will support what I'm putting in it better then the x570 version from what I researched. There's also a weird issue with the power supply having to need more wattage for the x570 which is something I don't want to have to spend more on.
It works with my budget better honestly and all it takes is a BIOS update
~~plus my case is white and thats gonna look nice in it :) ~~
gritty meadow
you are in the US?
wind flame
yep
because of my income I have to get my parts separately so the mobo is gonna be a part that comes a bit later
gritty meadow
might i ask what exactly it is that the x470 supports "better"?
sidenote: the extra wattage for the x570 is such a small amount that IF you need to upgrade the psu for that, something is wrong with your system to begin with.
wind flame
actually the boards look about the same but the x470 has more compatibility then the x570 from what it looks like
wind flame
im a bit new to this as you can probably tell lmao
gritty meadow
aye :)
hence why i am asking you questions about the logic behind it
so that you can hopefully learn something :)
wind flame
in all honesty I like the design of the x470 better and mostly it works with my budget better then getting a x570
ocean delta
What a nice guy
gritty meadow
the budget part is 100% logical and easy to agree with, the x470 is a cheaper option.
the comp part however is not logical, nor is the power part :)
wind flame
here's the build if this would help https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crJDQq
gritty meadow
a question for you: (which might not seem logical for you, but humour me please): Your audio gear (speakers/headset/mic) are they usb or minijack?
wind flame
I have a Yeti which is USB and I'm gonna work on the peripherals later, I'm gonna assume a majority of them are going to be USB though
wind flame
I already have the case and the cooler but if you can change the other parts to something that might work better im open to it
my budget was about $1500 so the fact that it's going to $1600 is already pushing it lmao
gritty meadow
case and cooler already purchased? good, will mark it as such then :)
oak sand
@wind flame is there a reason for that ram
gritty meadow
@oak sand it is getting replaced :)
wind flame
lemme guess you're gonna bring it up to 3600
gritty meadow
faster for cheaper
oak sand
G skill ripjaws v eyyyy
ocean delta
Could I ask a question about a cpu?
gritty meadow
ask away @ocean delta
ocean delta
Is there any MASSIVE improvements between a ryzen 7 3600x and a ryzen 7 2700x
Or is it not that big of a difference
gritty meadow
@wind flame https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gX68Pn <- this performs the same as what you had before
and it has a mainboard that doesnt need a cpu installed to upgrade the bios.
wind flame
nice, I'll consider it, thanks :)
gritty meadow
you are very welcome @wind flame
also, do note, the 550w psu is plenty for your system
@ocean delta yes and no
IF you have something that LOVES extra cores, the 2700x will perform nicely
personally, for a gaming system, i would go with the 3600x
ocean delta
What are the types of games that will preform better if you were to have a 3600k
ocean delta
Not so simple if you kindly
gritty meadow
the IPC difference between the 2nd and 3rd gen makes it so that, together with the uptick in mhz, the 3600x is just, clock for clock "that" much faster
ocean delta
I see
gritty meadow
does that actually make sense to you or?
ocean delta
I understand to a reasonable degree
gritty meadow
sure, just post it :)
wind flame
ok to be fair, on the GPU I went for the ASUS one because it has usb 3.0 support for VR, while its a bit more expensive, its more effective then the other 2070's with 3.0 support
gritty meadow
@ocean delta wrong link :)
wind flame
the Gigabyte one is nice and I considered that, but I do want to try VR later for my build
ocean delta
I know I made a mistake
gritty meadow
@wind flame the usb on the gpu was a "not until now mentioned requirement" :) so a bit hard to know about :)
wind flame
sorry :)))
hollow thorn
Permission denied
gritty meadow
@ocean delta edit your list and you will end up with something like https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gX68Pn <- that
ocean delta
Ah
gritty meadow
(the above is "just" an example to show the format of the link)
wind flame
this isn't my build but this is similar to what I wanted to try to do https://pcpartpicker.com/b/jCxG3C
ocean delta
hollow thorn
Is that your current PC?
ocean delta
Wrong one
gritty meadow
:)
@wind flame that build imo, doesnt make much sense.
it is sacrificing performance for looks
wind flame
thats where mine is different :)))
wind flame
it combines performance and looks
gritty meadow
@wind flame need i remind you that you had a 100 usd 3pack of rgb fans on your original list? :)
hollow thorn
3800x comes with a wraith prism with preapplied thermal paste
gritty meadow
@ocean delta give me 2-3 minutes :)
ocean delta
thank you
hollow thorn
I'll do my thing looking at the list
gritty meadow
@ocean delta your total budget is?
ocean delta
I just buy thepartsovertime but around 1700
hollow thorn
MSI x570 boards usually arnt the best
@ocean delta what do you do? Gaming? Video editing? Etc?
wind flame
3 pack of rgb fans to utilize the airflow case so the parts get cooled more efficiently @gritty meadow :)
ocean delta
Gameing
hollow thorn
I believe you should go with a B450 board, a Ryzen 3600, and a RTX 2080 super.
Naed, your thoughts?
Are you sure you need that much storage for just gaming?
ocean delta
I live in a bad internet area so I don't want to have to delete things for space and wait a month to redownload
hollow thorn
I play a fair amount of games and they all fit on my 1tb SSD. That 4tb seems a bit overkill, how much games do you have right now?
cerulean nova
ya but 5tb?
ocean delta
The SSD is for a game with a lot of loading screens
wind flame
@gritty meadow i was gonna do 3 in the front and buy a single pack for the back 
ocean delta
Alsoalso I just would like a lot of space
wind flame
plus the ML fans aren't noisy compared to the stock ones
gritty meadow
@hollow thorn will post a build in a moment
hollow thorn
Alright
gritty meadow
@ocean delta you are in the US right?
ocean delta
Yes
hollow thorn
Will try not to overwhelm you Naed
ocean delta
Florida but ruaul Florida
gritty meadow
is there a specific reason that "that" case @ocean delta ?
ocean delta
Preference
gritty meadow
fair enough :)
hollow thorn
Xeandreal, do you need it to look good or do you just want pure performance?
ocean delta
Like I said you can change if you want I am fine with most of everything
ocean delta
Performance I am gonna put it in a dark room
gritty meadow
with that little detail, hang on a sec
ocean delta
So I wont really see it anyways
hollow thorn
Are you aware of ebay windows 10 keys?
ocean delta
No but I am now
hollow thorn
those usually are a good idea to go for, very few scams, and only ~3$ a key
gritty meadow
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YRDcBZ <- this is a fair bit below your old price
it is a starting point.
ocean delta
I shall search later
hollow thorn
I personally used a windows 10 pro key from ebay, but theres also people that I know that just wants to buy straight from microsoft
ocean delta
It was showed as an option
gritty meadow
@hollow thorn and do answer your question from earlier: i am personally a fan of the "buy higher sku and dont mess with things" approach for the general gamer setup.
ocean delta
that is the only reason
gritty meadow
@ocean delta and just to go over the reasons for the choices in the last list i posted:
ssd: same performance for cheaper
hollow thorn
Alright, I understand, I just have a state of mind of tinkering over paying more for something that "Just works"
ocean delta
Understood
gritty meadow
hdd: good value for money, the tradeoff is 2 drives vs 1, but same total storage.
gpu: might as well take the step up to the next tier (with the budget being what it is etc)
(and yes, it could be debated that you could go for a 2080super too)
case: a solid case that is nice to build in. no special frills or anything, just solid design.
psu: solid psu and good value
which brings us to the mainboard
the mainboard COULD be changed. But it is honestly close enough (price wise) to what i would select from the b450 boards that it doesnt matter, and it does give a bit of freedom in the future
cerulean nova
@gritty meadow do you think the 3800x is worth the $40 over the 3700x?
gritty meadow
(for the lurkers: this is NOT a budget build, so it makes sense to allow things like the x570 board)
hollow thorn
With the plug and play doctrine, the 3800x with it's higher base and boost clocks are worth it imo
gritty meadow
@cerulean nova for a gamer/first time build? yes
cerulean nova
whats different about it from a 3700x that makes it better "plug and play" @hollow thorn
gritty meadow
IF we had any aspirations towards OC? no.
gritty meadow
he is referencing my earlier sentiment @cerulean nova
" i am personally a fan of the "buy higher sku and dont mess with things" approach for the general gamer setup." <- this one @cerulean nova
@ocean delta does all of the stuff about the list make sense for you?
hollow thorn
I'm just gonna leave y'all for a bit, I'm not contributing much and am filling up the chat
gritty meadow
good :)
cerulean nova
id have to look up some more benchmarks but at least according to GNs video, the difference in most games is less than 5fps
gritty meadow
aye. not saying that the value to performance ratio is super duper fantastic @cerulean nova
but, as mentioned, at that budget some "less than stellar" options are allowed for the sake of convenience and "down the road" QoL
cerulean nova
ahh ok, makes sense
gritty meadow
and yes, i would normally go for a different tactic for myself. But all things considered. it does imo make sense
ocean delta
Mind if I add you as friend
gritty meadow
you are welcome to do so
ocean delta
yay
gritty meadow
just please remember, i am in a different timezone, so IF you ask me about things, i will answer when i see them, which is most likely NOT when you asked them :)
gritty meadow
:)
quaint current
o ic
midnight pollen
ic says the blind man
tacit hemlock
Its here and its BEAUTIFUL
hollow thorn
Nice
hollow thorn
is dat cl18 tho xD
hollow thorn
alr do your thing
tacit hemlock
How far do you think I can push it?
hollow thorn
no idea
tacit hemlock
Me either gotta do my research
oak sand
ew cl18
hollow thorn
overclocking goes differently for different people
oak sand
g skill has better ram for cheaper.........
tacit hemlock
I would be content if I could get the timing to cl16
hollow thorn
I couldn't push my ram to go lower timings then 16-19-19-19-39 but thats okay
@oak sand they already bought it, sooo yea
also it looks great
tacit hemlock
That's what I'm going for
hollow thorn
I have trident z neos
tacit hemlock
Lol it's done already. I accepted it
hollow thorn
Its kinda funny how no one tries to scold me for buying trident z neos
2x16gb too xD
tacit hemlock
I was gonna get those but the 32gb kit for neo was 10 bucks more for same speed but lower timings
And these are purty :)
tacit hemlock
Definately one of the best looking options
I like it too
I didnt overpay that much tho because look at this
Same price same speed same timings but the other one is prettier so...
hollow thorn
yea the crystal looking rgb is neat
tacit hemlock
Lol
hollow thorn
I do like the look of the noctua fans
because if I'm gonna have a huge block on my CPU, why not go all out
tacit hemlock
I feel the opposite. Others say mine looks good but I think it looks a little sloppy. I'm a perfectionist tho so that's probably why
Do you have the black fans?
hollow thorn
nah beige
tacit hemlock
:p
amber raptor
Can anybody help me with this
I have a Asus prime x470 pro board, and the m.2 screws won't come out no matter what
Is there an easy solution to this?
gritty meadow
if it is "just the standoff spinning, clamp the standoff and unscrew while holding the standoff
if it is the hole with the threads spinning? it is going to take some more work.
it is something i can potentially help you with tomorrow @amber raptor
but, i cannot promise anything about what time exactly.
tacit hemlock
My cpu cooler left these little rings in the board. Is that bad. I'm assuming I over tightened it
oak sand
itll be fine, probably
crude path
no it should be fine. those areas should be built to withstand some damage.
warped pecan
fguys is the z370 a pro by msi still available for cheap?
midnight pollen
probably not new
crude path
it seems fine.
oak sand
on sale, sure its ok
crude path
i dont know the brand though.
oak sand
but it says 129 normally
crude path
yeah for 129 its not worth at alllllll. but at 60 bucks it looks like it will do good on paper.
small urchin
I'm assuming it will work on intel motherboards? I didnt see that spec
crude path
it depends on the motherboard, but if its newer, than likely yeah.
what motherboard do you hve
small urchin
ASUS PRIME H270-PLUS
warped pecan
@crude path how much would it go used on newegg?
crude path
so theoretically you should be able to use that ram but you wont get higher than 2400 mhz out of it.
what do you mean @warped pecan
flint portal
what are good CAS latencies?
i know nothing about ram
lower, the better?
flint portal
is 18 ok?
crude path
on ryzen cpus usually reccomend 3000 or higher. 3200 is what ive seen most people get (as well as me)
flint portal
i meant like #-#-#-# timings?
i was gonna get 3600 ram
quaint current
Try to get 16-16-16-doesn’t really matter
hollow thorn
anything below is really good b die
crude path
apparently i got 16-16-16-18 
hollow thorn
what how
crude path
as far as i can see anyways
hollow thorn
you sure the last number is 18?
crude path
wait no hold up im seeing diff results
i have Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
pcpp just says "none" so i tried to google.
hollow thorn
it might be 16-16-16-18-38
crude path
idk how timings work lol
hollow thorn
I dont quite know either
crude path
honestly until you and hei i didnt even know i needed to look for cl16. i just happened to buy it.
small urchin
If I can get LPX Vengeance 2x8GB for $40 of Facebook Marketplace is that a good deal?
small urchin
I mean my motherboard doesnt support above 2400mhz anyways, I have 2 4 gb sticks of ripjaw in it now
hollow thorn
wa
tacit hemlock
My cpu cooler isnt going on and I dont know what to do
vale oracle
burn it
warped pecan
@crude path I was talking about the MSI z370 A-Pro and is it worth it buying a 8600k for 100-125?
midnight pollen
I wouldn’t get 8600k if you have anything over a 2060s gpu
mild birch
I generally wouldnt get a 8600k in 2020 due to alterantives that can be had for roughly the same price new from team red
midnight pollen
amd better for budget
mild birch
Not always but yeah generally that tends to be true
basically
heres what I have
50-300$ AMD, 300-500 it really depends, 750 AMD, 1000 Intel, 1400+ AMD
sub 50 is used market only so it depends on whats available locally
fossil bridge
what board
lost edge
ASRock Z170 Pro4 LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
warped pecan
@crude path i am trying to buy it
crude path
-i would recomend going AMD if you wanna keep within a budget but also get the performance
warped pecan
i am doing more of a used/pre-owned thing
mighty sleet
Ok so I have so rgb issues with my ram
oak sand
What ram and what type
oak sand
It looks fine to me
oak sand
But its on right?
mighty sleet
I've tried using all different types of compatible rgb software, but it always reverts back to rainbows
Even when my pc is asleep it doesn't turn off
mighty sleet
Not when psus is off, just pc is asleep through windows
I appreciate your help.
I'll probably just try to contact g.skill
hollow thorn
wdym
urban ferry
banned
weak hamlet
delicate bolt
what
hollow thorn
Lol
grave dune
Why can't Intel and AMD use the same socket for once?
quaint current
because why would they do that
they're competitors, they want to make the most money
urban ferry
money money money money money money money money money money
its like why would all the companies use the same rgb software
because screw the consumer
😄
grave dune
Maybe I'm asking too much
urban ferry
buy all our products or be forced to use multiple software/solutions
grave dune
Imagine how good the motherboards would be
urban ferry
meh
too many issues
lets say theres an issue on the AMD side, guess you gotta update the bios for all the boards
etc.
also did i mention money
companies like that thing
grave dune
true
tacit hemlock
What's a good price for a R7 3700x
full flame
It's generally 300-330 usd
tacit hemlock
Ya, it doesnt seem to drop much. You think its worth it to go from ryzen 3000 r5 to r7?
full flame
You'll have to ask someone else about that. Do you mean r5 3600 or 3600x to 3700x?
copper haven
Microcenter has R7 3700x for $279.99 if there’s one near you!
unkempt oasis
Hello. Would this be the appropriate channel to recommend me RAM for a laptop I bought?
midnight pollen
probably this channel
last time I checked laptops use SODIMM memory but you can probably confirm that on the modules in the laptop
naive pendant
Anyone know if the z390 taichi supports spd write?
oak sand
@naive pendant https://www.google.com/
midnight pollen
nice advice lol
oak sand
@midnight pollen, @potent bear is teaching me
midnight pollen
xD
potent bear
Lmaooo
grave dune
what kind is it
tacit hemlock
Yes I was referring to 3600x vs 3700x
rocky flame
I see the i7 8700 (Not K version) is like 500+ for new on most sites, with used ones being 350+. Why is the value of this cpu so high? It’s the same price as the 3900.
oak sand
@rocky flame thats not its value, thats how much its sold for. The real value is 300$ give or take, but for that price (if going intel) you can get a 9700K
midnight pollen
lol
tidal idol
What would be a good motherboard? I’ll be getting the Ryzen 7 2700x and I need a motherboard for it.
oak sand
@tidal idol why not the 3600? And what's the budget?
@tulip talon
Which does it kinda resemble
weak hamlet
that's just power .....
weak hamlet
please dude..
tulip talon
I sent a photo on the other one
tacit hemlock
Finally got my ram working properly. System's pretty much done now
earnest bronze
Can anyone tell me what max processor ASUS P8Z68-V LX motherboard will support
oak sand
i7-2700k
earnest bronze
Do you have a part number for that I have a I5 now would it be much of an improvement
weak hamlet
shows you a list of all compatible
so max could be i7-3770T
@oak sand please stop.
earnest bronze
The one I have now is an I5 2500k would the I7-3770T be worth the upgrade
weak hamlet
You would have to compare them. depends what you could get it for.
85bucks used on ebay
what are you trying to do with your PC? game?
lga 1150 is really old socket.
pretty much outdated/obsolete
better off saving up and upgrading PC entirely.
In my honest opion
earnest bronze
32 on ram 2070 graphics cars
weak hamlet
😮
oak sand
@earnest bronze thats pretty unbalanced
weak hamlet
yeah that cpu is really holding back the 2070
but if you got the wallet, we can build around it 🙂
quaint current
just slap a 3600/2600 in it bam
quaint current
slap a 2600/3600+b450 mobo
oak sand
@weak hamlet 2500K
earnest bronze
So processor not going to make much improvement
weak hamlet
no not really
but you could get a good ryzen/mobo/ram upgrade and be set.
not what you wanted to hear I know.
earnest bronze
The motherboard and Ryzen will my ram and other components work with the motherboard
DDR3 ram 32 g
weak hamlet
if you got ryzen, or even updated intel socket, you need DDR-4 ram
earnest bronze
Is Ryzen processors better than Intel
weak hamlet
for gaming, it's more affordable.
earnest bronze
Could someone give me a list of that Ryzen processor and motherboard ram upgrade that I wound need to get to change it out
weak hamlet
What PC case is this going in?
oak sand
Do you have a microcenter nearby?
earnest bronze
I have an I buy power case large case
No nothing nearby anymore except bestbuy I will google and see if anything in Nashville
I don’t want to go crazy but want to get something that will hold me awhile also I have had this IBuypower computer since 2012
Have added ssd hard drive the Vengance 32 ram and the video card and new powers supply 850 watt I believe
oak sand
What ddr is the ram
earnest bronze
DDR3
tacit hemlock
You should be able to use the same drives.
oak sand
Yeah
earnest bronze
It was bought for that motherboard
tacit hemlock
Ssd and hdd are pretty universal regardless of mobo
Its just a SATA and power cable
Did you ever say how much your budget was?
oak sand
No he did not
tacit hemlock
Aight
oak sand
@earnest bronze budget?
earnest bronze
Say 1000
oak sand
Phew
tacit hemlock
Oh wow you can get quite the upgrade with that.
oak sand
Thats gonna be killer
tacit hemlock
I was thinking like mid 300s lol
Should he get an x570 board then @oak sand or is that not necessary
If hes just gaming then a b450 should suffice right?
earnest bronze
Don’t have to go 1000 but want something good and like I say something that would hold me awhile
tacit hemlock
Ok sounds good
earnest bronze
Not sure what that is
oak sand
....
tacit hemlock
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BLzRBZ how do these upgrades look. Ignore the warning that board is compatible with the cpu. I chose a matx board because I dont know the size of your case
earnest bronze
I don’t know the exact size it is but it is a monster
tacit hemlock
Could you maybe send a pic of the pc without the side panel on.
earnest bronze
That looks good would that hold me for awhile
tacit hemlock
That would be good for a long time
Assuming its compatible with everything else you have.
Are you by your pc?
earnest bronze
Don’t know if you can see the case good enough there or not
tacit hemlock
Oh wow
Can you make it to your case and take the side panel off so I can see the size of your board?
earnest bronze
I am at work now can’t do it
tacit hemlock
It does but better safe than sorry
weak hamlet
that's full atx case
hollow thorn
Well box some cases do have wierd drive cage placement and could block the board from being full atx
earnest bronze
It is a monster
hollow thorn
Some mATX cases can look just like an atx case
weak hamlet
that's def not mATX lol
earnest bronze
It looks good just want to make sure it would cover me for awhile thanks for everyone’s help
tacit hemlock
Ya it's pretty nice stuff. I'm just curious what iambox has to say about it because he knows more than me and was helping you first
weak hamlet
honestly I wouldn't recommend any of that
tacit hemlock
Why is that?
weak hamlet
you want 3600mhz ram for 3700x
weak hamlet
and you want a board that is 3,000 support ready
earnest bronze
So what do I need
tacit hemlock
Nothing is decided yet. I just had a suggestion but it might not be quite right for you. I dont want you to buy anything that's not going to work or cause headache
Do you have a better suggestion @weak hamlet because I gtg in 5 min
weak hamlet
need to know what powersupply he has too
tacit hemlock
He said a 850 watt. Not a brand tho
weak hamlet
ah ok
earnest bronze
Have 850 watt power Corsair gold I think
tacit hemlock
That's a nice one
weak hamlet
can always double the ram up if you want 32gb
tacit hemlock
Do you think he needs a x570?
weak hamlet
he want's something that doesn't need replaced for a long time.
doesn't need rgb.
paired with his 2070, that'd be a beast sim racing machine
weak hamlet
..ok
earnest bronze
Thanks for all of the help
Glad you could tell me the best thing to do because I really don’t know a lot about this stuff
I am wanting to go up to 32 inch 144hz or 165hz monitors so that is why I need more power
weak hamlet
are you capable of digging into your PC and changing out the parts.
earnest bronze
I have a friend that is
I can do some of it I done the ram and added sound card and stuff like that
But never this deep
weak hamlet
ah yeah def get a friend to help teach ya. you'l enjoy it 😄
earnest bronze
Another 3 or 4 hundred
More is better right lol
Let’s say 800 dollars
That is one of the hard drives that is in my current computer and it has just a regular Western digital 1 TB for data
naive pendant
How long can I run a cpu without thermal paste but with a heat sync and fan (and where to get the best cheap thermal paste for a cpu)
quaint current
like 2 seconds safely it’s around 30c hotter than cheap stuff
earnest bronze
That is power supply
weak hamlet
@earnest bronze you could doublt the ram and make it 32gb total, and yeah and some better storage, nvme/ssd
oak sand
Maybe get a new psu
weak hamlet
psu is fine.
tacit hemlock
Ya the psu is fine. If he wanted to go overkill he could get like a r9 3900x or something crazy like that. Definately won't need to be upgraded for a long time😂
earnest bronze
How much do they run
Can you do me a part picker on that then I will have options and can decide what to order
oak sand
@earnest bronze absolute max budget
earnest bronze
1000
earnest bronze
Thanks
naive pendant
Will this motherboard work with my deepcool rf120 fans? The rgb is what I’m worried about. I got the 3 pack
@ me if you respond please 🙏
main smelt
gritty meadow
aye, it is also a HEDT board
mild birch
@weak hamlet better ram>more ram
@gritty meadow I assume someone asking about x299 would know that its HEDT
most people dont even know about x299 much less know which boards offer specific features
gritty meadow
@mild birch i have had clients, in suits ask me why they cant have a xeon in their thin client
it is just easier to try and avoid assumptions if possible :)
gritty meadow
they are just like regular clients
only the bill is higher
meaning, they are just as clueless at times :)
mild birch
I would assume so, but they seem like they would be much pickier
as their usecase would (I assume) ifnluence their livelihood
its not like to a consumer than you can offer a compromise to to meet their standards
gritty meadow
depends on what specific level they are at
a fair number of them dont know up from down
they have however heard about X part
so ofc their solution has to have that part in it
no matter what
gritty meadow
and depending on the cost of the suit, they can be right awful to deal with in regards to trying to tell that that the universe doesnt care about their thoughts
mild birch
trust me I've been to enough rodeos to know that to be a fact
gritty meadow
IF you end up with someone that knows what they dont know
mild birch
thoughts on the state of moores law?
gritty meadow
and is not afraid to ask
mild birch
was just talking aobut it
gritty meadow
that is a big subject for 03.00 at night :)
i would love to talk about it, but can we talk tomorrow instead?
mild birch
Imma stick to asian children, they often overpay and even when I try to get them better parts they refuse, but they also tell me they want the best of the best
its strange
sure
sounds good
gritty meadow
i like talking about actual tech, so yeah, always willing to talk about that, just need to sleep once in a while too :)
see you at some point tomorrow :)
mild birch
you too 🙂
gritty meadow
if you have a need for what it offers. It is the only option
gritty meadow
the impact boards are generally also VERY custom
naive pendant
Would a half used AMD Athlon II be good for my younger brother who knows very little about computers?
split copper
what does he do with computers?
naive pendant
Mostly light gaming (Minecraft stardew valley etc.) And YT
split copper
I'm not sure
it seems like it would perform okay, with an X4
I played Minecraft on a Phenom II X4 955
it was paired with a Radeon HD 5570
you can get a Phenom II X4 955 for around 50 USD on Newegg
sold and shipped by DoDo DIY
you could go for an Athlon 3000G for about 5 USD more than the Phenom II
I would lean towards newer hardware personally, as there's more support for stuff like USB 3, support for DDR4, and it should last longer based on the fact that it's younger altogether
and there seems to be compelling prices for newer budget hardware
midnight pollen
premium is nice
dense patio
Do motherboards have a cap on the internet they can pull? Like 30mbps or anything like that?
oak sand
@dense patio depends on the onboard wifi
split copper
or Ethernet jack
dense patio
There is no onboard wifi for my mobo
split copper
or controller
dense patio
We have gotten new internet providers in the last day. We should be getting around 150mbps and all other devices my family own are getting that but my phone and my desktop seem to only be getting around 30mbps
dense patio
No
dense patio
There is no wifi card. I use direct ethernet
oak sand
Ohhh
urban ferry
oooooooooof
oak sand
Internet providers dont tell that
dense patio
wha?
gritty meadow
@dense patio in theory, you should at least be getting 100mbps
dense patio
Exactly. Which im not. And i dont understand why im not but yet my family on there devices are
gritty meadow
ethernet controllers are nowadays 1000mbit
that just sounds like a router limit
as in, someone has limited your devices
dense patio
Unless my stepdad is hiding something from me, thats not the case
gritty meadow
IF your desktop is behaving as it should. then that is the only reason for that kind of speed
dense patio
I have a second PC which im going to try and test it on now quick
gritty meadow
keep in mind, what i am saying is based on the info you have provided
dense patio
If there is anything that you may be thinking which i may not have mentioned then do ask. I have provided as much info to you as i can think of 😂
gritty meadow
you mentioned that the other members of your family is getting "more" speed.
tested with what?
and are the results hearsay or something you have seen?
dense patio
He ran a speedtest on his phone using this website/the app version
https://www.speedtest.net/
and it read at 100+ and then he did it on the PC downstairs using the google one which was 100+ and i saw those results infront of me
gritty meadow
fair
are you certain that your machine is not doing something weird?
as in, downloading updates or something else?
and could you provide cpu model and storage type?
dense patio
As far as i am aware there are no downloads going on
CPU is i7 8700k
When you say storage type what do you mean exactly
dense patio
My main drive that my OS is running on is an m.2 and then i have 3 other SSDs and 1 HDD
gritty meadow
okay, so IO is out as the reason for the speed
dense patio
On my processes, i have my network reading at 1% usage right now
gritty meadow
https://puu.sh/Fiak8/efc21f125f.png <- you should have something like that
dense patio
Oh that bit hold up
gritty meadow
because the % part doesnt tell you all that much :)
dense patio
oh dear. Im dipping between 0 and a couple Kbps
gritty meadow
that is as it should be
IF nothing is going on
the picture above is my machine doing some routine synch work
dense patio
Oh so 0 is good then
dense patio
Ah i see ok then
gritty meadow
could you try a speedtest again
dense patio
gritty meadow
just post the result url instead
gritty meadow
hm
okay, so the way that internet works (on a house level) is this:
you have a pool of bandwidth, and if noone is using anything, you generally have access to all of it
if someone else is using 50%, you have access to the remaining 50%
this is the basics of it
make sense?
dense patio
Yeah makes sense
Perhaps ill have to hold out untill everyone is in bed later and im the only one online and see what i get then
gritty meadow
what normally is an option for a router is the ability to give priority to certain kinds of activity
fx, gaming
or streaming
etc
however, considering that other people in the house have a much higher bandwidth than you seem to have
the logical reason would normally be related to priority like what i mentioned above
because that can also be done on a "per device" level
dense patio
I would have atleast thought i could have my phone show up the speed of the internet being 100+ cos my phone only gets 30 odd too
gritty meadow
see the last line i typed :)
that solution can/is used if you know that one person has a habit of just hammering the download bandwidth all day long
you have probably seen it in effect at school or work
it is a very normal way of setting up a network that is shared between people with very varied workloads/use cases
however. for a home network (like what yours sounds like) you would have to go out of your way to setup that kind of "per device" limiting
split copper
sounds not friendly
gritty meadow
it can also just be a quirky edge case of a ISP supplied router
split copper
also sounds unfriendly xd
dense patio
Something i did forget to remember actually as well but does bring it back to the my phone still has the issue but could be capped as mentioned
The ethernet in my room runs via those mains plug in things where one is plugged in downstairs and the other in my room and it links via the earth in the walls of the house. I know the box things can handle the speeds of what we have but i guess i could be limited by the cable in the wall or whatever
gritty meadow
yes, that is indeed a potential limit
a quick test is to move your case down and use the ethernet plug your parent did earlier
dense patio
Thats easier said then done 😂 my case is pretty big and not easy to lug about
I might dig out my laptop and try that tommorow
split copper
I move big cases every now and then :^)
dense patio
I also dont want to have to remove all the cables from my tower when i have them plugged in and tidied in a good way to how i want them
So laptop is easier option 😂
gritty meadow
what i said above are just about all your options (based on what you had mentioned)
dense patio
Fantastic. Not an overall great result. Not your fault of course as you have helped as best as can do, so much appreciated
midnight pollen
ye it's fine but you can get ram like that new for about the same price
midnight pollen
it's fine for the price, this is another one that is similar https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820231941?Description=G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200&cm_re=G.SKILL_Ripjaws_V_Series_16GB_(2_x_8GB)_288-Pin_DDR4_SDRAM_DDR4_3200-_-20-231-941-_-Product&quicklink=true
south wind
what is LPX
muted roost
The model of ram you sent
south wind
Sorry I don’t know much about ram
quaint current
lpx is low profile
humble lintel
Can anyone answer a question regarding the AMD Ryzen 7 3800x 3.9ghz 8 core processor?
quaint current
yeah i probably can as long as its not super specific
hearty jungle
Would y'all say that the Dominator platinum RGB ram is at a good price right now?
oak sand
It never is
umbral valve
anyone have experience with tomahawk max debug lights
fossil bridge
i do not
umbral valve
oh that’s ok