third is latency in opening new row of memory
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
wary cape
the last is the row active time which is the amount of time it takes to properly write data
i would say pick what ever suites your builds look the most
oblique geyser
so there like the same realistically
wary cape
essentially
but i believe corsairs rgb software uses more resources if i remeber the gamers nexus video correctly
gritty meadow
the differences are not anything to worry about
all the control software, for all the products has X load associated with it :)
wary cape
i have a asrock board and the g skill is integrated nicely
gritty meadow
some of the software is indeed quite ... silly .. on the cpu load side of things
as you rightfully mentioned in regards to the GN video
oblique geyser
but im not ganna see a difference between 3200 and 3466 and the 2 sets im looking at bieng corsair and gskill are essentially the same?
wary cape
ye
gritty meadow
you are using which CPU ?
oblique geyser
ryzen 2600x
gritty meadow
3200 is plenty fine then
oblique geyser
dope
wary cape
oblique geyser
those are the gskills?
gritty meadow
and yes, there will be a difference when/if you upgrade to something like a 3700x later on
wary cape
ye
gritty meadow
but, not really something that should cause you to worry
oblique geyser
not for 2-4 years sadly school took ovet the computer fund
wary cape
3200 is the current sweet spot for 3000 series
oblique geyser
it says on msi website only supported up to 3466
gritty meadow
@wary cape not quite, 3600 (with the current prices) is imo
but again, that is a fairly contested topic :)
wary cape
also its like 40 bucks more for only 400 mhz more at a low latency
im running 3000 mhz and its plently fast but i do plan on overclocking at some point
oblique geyser
do i have to get any additional software for these and my msi board?
wary cape
look up what rgb software the sticks are compatible with otherwise no
if they arent compatible you just download gskills or corsairs app to control
oblique geyser
kk thanks
vale oracle
ryzen 7 2700X vs ryzen 5 3600 vs ryzen 5 3600X
the 3600x is an extra 60$ over the 3600
and shoul i be pairing these cpu's with an x470 board, or an x570 board?
real hinge
@vale oracle pair 3rd gens with x570 mobos to avoid updating bios, 2nd gen is able to use both x470 and x570 without bios update. 2700x has more cores so if u stream and record and video editing/workstation go for that. 3600 and 3600x has less so use that if u just gonna game
vale oracle
alright, thanks for the advice
wary cape
only get the 3600x if it comes with an extra free game
vale oracle
pb tech intensifies
real hinge
lol
ionic fable
What's the difference between the B450 and the x470 motherboards
I'm going to be using a ryzen 7 2700x cpu
cerulean forge
Better oc
I thonk
Personally I went x570 but you can sli x470 and can’t b450
And better oc
crude path
sli is useless tho
cerulean forge
It is
ionic fable
What is sli
So it won't hurt or hinder me if I want to game and stream to use the B450 motherboard?
cerulean forge
Sli is trash
crude path
no
cerulean forge
Sli bad stinky poopy
crude path
sli is using 2 or more gpus connected together
but in order to utilize that, the game youre playing has to support and none do
elfin warren
2700 b450 is fine
cerulean forge
Battlefield 4 does
ionic fable
Ok I am mainly going to be gaming and want to start getting into streaming
cerulean forge
That’s all I know lol
My streaming setup is an rx 580 and gtx 1050 on x570 along with a 2600
crude path
then make sure you get an nvidia gpu
cerulean forge
If you go nvidia it’s more cash money
ionic fable
I'm getting the ryzen 7 2700x for cpu and the gtx 1660 super for gpu
dusk oracle
If he goes for Nvidia that also means better driver support
crude path
youll do fine
cerulean forge
That’s a good pooter
Although getting a 2060s would be good as well
RAY TRACIIIIIIING
crude path
#betterthanmypc
dusk oracle
Or the 2060 since the 50$ price drop
cerulean forge
#kindabetterthanmypcalittlebit
crude path
price is totally worth a 2060 lol
crude path
my pc will be amazing soon 
crude path
lmao
ionic fable
I have my case just waiting on my tax return to get the other parts for it
crude path
im going to get a board with 6, and im going to get a gpu, wifi card, maybe m.2 pcie, and then 3 usb cards for ALL THE USB
ionic fable
Want to find a good nvme pcie ssd to use
cerulean forge
64 cores, amd epyc who?
dusk oracle
So you're going to crossfire RX 580's and lose performance?
crude path
do you mean m.2 phoenix?
cerulean forge
Get a wd black ez dub
ionic fable
Yeah the ones that slide in and screw the other side down lol
cerulean forge
🥾
ionic fable
Want my windows 10 on that
crude path
yeah m.2
cerulean forge
Do you want win 10 on it and games on other?
crude path
what size you want? or how much you wanna spend on it
ionic fable
Whatever would make my games load fast and smoother
crude path
ok so you want a 1tb
cerulean forge
a big regular ssd alongside the nvme?
ionic fable
I play slot of ark survival evolved and that takes a lot or gb room
crude path
this is a good named brand but also over priced https://www.newegg.com/samsung-970-evo-1tb/p/N82E16820147691?item=N82E16820147691&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-solid+state+disk-_-N82E16820147691&gclid=CjwKCAiAgqDxBRBTEiwA59eENzwZqzhpYBRiLfoBsrgt2IThiZ1YneTWzNWJetDmkYzGFJzzd-AAghoCWuEQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
ionic fable
Will have to search ones like that
crude path
cerulean forge
If you value your cash money I’d get a mass storage hdd alongside that
ionic fable
I have a 2TB WD HDD
crude path
i personally run a 500gb ssd and then 4 tb of hdd storage where i store games, i dont have issue with loading games.
cerulean forge
I agree!
ionic fable
Nice
cerulean forge
ionic fable
Well off to work ty guys
crude path
np
cerulean forge
Have a good day dude
crude path
good luck on your build
cerulean forge
He fr didn’t even say have a good day back I’m offended
split copper
I only have 3 SATA ports on my board 
split copper
it has a spot for there to be a 4th port
so it leaves me wondering if I could solder another port on there
crude path
sata ports?
split copper
I don't have the tools for it anyway 👀
crude path
like, where hdds and disk drives are plugged in?
split copper
yEs
cerulean forge
Just get external ones
crude path
there are boards with less than 6?
cerulean forge
My x570 has 4
crude path
blasphemy
split copper
there are boards with two
cerulean forge
split copper
generic type boards in little old budget prebuilt systems
crude path
gross
split copper
I have a mini ITX computer with an E-450 apu that has two SATA ports, both occupied, two ram channels, and zero PCIe ports
crude path
split copper
no
crude path
split copper
it my Win7 computer
crude path
what do you even do on that tho
cerulean forge
oak sand
I went into my basement recently and found a computer with win 95
crude path
neat
split copper
it's a 64 bit computer too, so most old games don't work on it
crude path
i think i have a pc with win 95 but it doesnt turn on
oak sand
And an ibm model m
cerulean forge
oak sand
That was super cool
cerulean forge
coo
oak sand
Yeah it was super dusty
split copper
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03091641 here's the computer
crude path
you probably cant even browse chrome on that thing
cerulean forge
Gtg
split copper
lmao
cerulean forge
🥾
split copper
you can, but it isn't great
oak sand
Hey the case looks kinda nicw
split copper
the case doesn't have any expansion card slots on the back, which kinda fits with the no PCIe, but is still sad
idk what I'll do with it tbh
oak sand
Did you buy one?
split copper
should probably extract all the data and give it an SSD, and then some Linux
one what?
crude path
ohhhh linux machine
split copper
idk who bought it
oak sand
About linux, why is windows "better"
split copper
probably my mom or my grandpa
oak sand
Or whats the difference
split copper
Windows is Windows
crude path
theres a huge difference
split copper
and Linux can be whatever you want it to be
it could be a tiny OS that can be entirely loaded into memory on a system with just 1 GB
split copper
;o
split copper
there's some people who sell smol flash drives loaded with a lightweight Linux distro, marketing towards people who have old laptops with a broken boot drive
split copper
I believe they're sometimes advertised on tv and on YouTube
so
not marketing towards the people with know-how
:p
ionic fable
Have a good day guys sorry I don't have data on my phone and my ride was here
misty belfry
Linux isn't good or bad like Windows isn't - it's just a different operating system that does basically the same thing
the reason that Linux doesn't have the exact same amount of games released on steam for it as an example
is because the installed base of Linux outside business situations is small
arctic lion
I’ve just finished putting together my first build... and a red DRAM light is lit on the mobo... any suggestions
Running an i7-7700
Msi h270 gaming m3 mobo
2x 8gb Corsair vengeance ddr4 2400MHz
real hinge
wtf
how is that possible
but recent windows broke the os
for ex file expolrer and deleting random files for 1809 update
gritty meadow
that is just from moving the drive from one system to the next
stiff kraken
would you guys say 3600MHz 16-19-19-39 is better than 3733MHz 18-20-20-40
stiff kraken
R5 3600x
unfortunately after some stress testing it seems the 3600MHz 16-19-19-39 isn't stable
so I'll just go back to the 3733MHz 18-20-20-40
misty belfry
that's always unfortunate
i have two mismatched DDR4 2400 and i OC'd them to like 3200, i need to tighten up the timings
THAT WENT WELL
crude path
what happened
misty belfry
it rebooted over and over again like 5 times then i had to power cycle twice
my timings are like 17 17 17 something according to BIOS so that's good enough
crude path
oof that happened to me. i had ram in wrong slots when i tried to oc my ram tho lol
vale oracle
well guys
its ya boy
Joe Rogan
back with questions
So
In NZ AMD is cheaper in the higher end of things, like Ryzen 9 etc.
However I don't have 2k to spend on a pc, and am much more of a midrange type of PC person.
As much as I'd love to go AMD, intel's i3-9100/f looks like a great choice, as its around 30-60$ cheaper then the Ryzen 5 2600.
I currently have an i7-4790 and want to upgrade so that I could have DDR4 Ram, as well as make some money off of my processor (i7 tends to be pricey) and MB.
I dont know if the upgrade would be worth it tho, so that is why I came here for guidnace.
cerulean nova
the 1600 af has about the same performance as the 2600 for 85
plus amd has other benefits too
like upgradability and a better stock cooler
cerulean nova
but not sure on that one
vale oracle
cause i dont oc
cerulean nova
ya b450 starts at like $75
vale oracle
Im not really sure about the difference in price between the H310/70 and the B450
i might look into that
maybe for you man i live in NZ where its like 800$ for an RX 5700
vale oracle
hmm
cheapest b450 is the GA-B450M-S2H
for 110$
so uh
cheapest h310 is the ASUS PRIME H310M-K
and the Rev. 2 of that MB
Asus Prime H370M-Plus for 169
maybe ill look at amazon
cerulean nova
pcpp is pretty useful when it comes to price checking
indigo linden
So I have a question about upgrading CPU and Mobo. I currently have an i5-7500 and I'm going to upgrade to an i5-9600kf or an i7-9700kf requiring a new Mobo which I am planning on getting an ASUS TUF Z390-Plus Gaming.
The question is do I need to get new RAM as well with the CPU and Mobo?
I currently have this RAM: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077Q8KWM1/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_3iZkEb6V3D22F
Input would be helpful, thanks. This is one of the areas I am still learning how to match up.
main pulsar
nope, that ram is fine
indigo linden
Okay thank you very much
elfin warren
Well, that ram is also slow for a 9600K.
main pulsar
2400 is good enough
elfin warren
Well, for gaming, it makes a difference going to 3200mhz. As in, 20-30 FPS. Difference between 2666 and 3200 is 22 FPS.
indigo linden
I plan on upgrading shortly but my CPU is maxing out on most of my games.
elfin warren
The 2400 will work but an upgrade if you can is worth it
indigo linden
I definitely plan on upgrading but I want to bring up the CPU first. I plan on going to 3200mhz 16gb total.
cerulean forge
Dude my old i3 was always 100% pinned in every game I had
I couldn’t even play like medium 60 on borderlands 2
indigo linden
I started really noticing that CPU was pinned playing some of the more CPU heavy games.
cerulean nova
I had an i3 8100 that I just upgraded from and it was like at 50-65% usage with a 1070
But I dont play super demanding games
indigo linden
GTA V, Far Cry 5, and Civ 5 and 6 are ones that I can think of there's probably some others.
hollow thorn
GTA? Really?
My GTA fps is likely restricted by GPU
HOI4 is something I could use
long geyser
@indigo linden If you're doing a mobo upgrade anyways why Intel?
indigo linden
@long geyser some of the games I play occasionally have had problems with AMD stuff so I'm trying to avoid them. I like the price and performance but want to avoid the possible issues.
long geyser
had or has? AMD is better for the long run.
For example 3600 vs 9600k. 9600k already has worse lows then 3600 in some games. Which will only continue
indigo linden
I still might do AMD because there hasn't been an issue for a few months but I need look at some boards to decide.
long geyser
Are these new issues just from BIOS and instability or something? They are long gone now
indigo linden
I don't remember it's been a little bit since I really check the details for the issues.
Looking at the boards is for seeing what will work for transferring parts.
long geyser
ITX, mATX, ATX?
indigo linden
ATX
I'll probably look some after I get home from work in a bit but it's figuring out which CPU and Mobo that's comparable for price, I/O, and performance.
long geyser
CPU and mobo for $295
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PsDFFt
indigo linden
Thanks, that looks like a good start I'll do some more digging around when I get home.
potent shuttle
So I has question about ram overclocking
I’m using the Ryzen calculator
And I can’t find this tCl value it’s given me
Should I just skip it
naive pendant
Asus Prime Z390A or ROG strix z390-f?
Which is better?
naive pendant
Yeah 300 dollars for the XI hero wifi
gritty meadow
they are the best for things that 99.99% of the buyers dont use em for
oak sand
Very true
fleet inlet
Like what ? Just curious
fleet inlet
Hm
gritty meadow
@fleet inlet the main problem is that people confuse "want" with "need"
people currently are on a very illogical "i need super vrm's" train of confusion
for the few few few people that actually push their hardware enough for the vrm's to matter. It is good that the option is there.
for the rest of the people that buy that hardware? they are effectively flushing money down the drain
fleet inlet
I understand
It isn’t always easy to understand what the hardware people buy are capable of
gritty meadow
well, yes and no
fleet inlet
And I guess that’s why this server and others exist
gritty meadow
people look at PR and dont engage their brains
fleet inlet
Yeah...
gritty meadow
and a lot the "waste of money" comes from the "want VS need" confusion :)
mind, i have nothing against people wanting something
that is entirely fine
fleet inlet
For sure
gritty meadow
just dont claim you need something
fleet inlet
And that’s also what I’m trying to avoid when getting my new setup
split copper
I need food and water
gritty meadow
if it is a lie and its merely because you want something
fleet inlet
Avoidable waste of money
gritty meadow
aye
fleet inlet
Talking about waste of money, all I need is a AM4 MB that’s capable of OCing a little a 2600 and that doesn’t run too hot, I’m thinking about a Pro VDH Max MATX, is that a good choice ?
gritty meadow
its a solid enough choice
fleet inlet
I was thinking about getting the Tomahawk Max but since prices are very different between the two boards ..
gritty meadow
the tomahawk will not really get you anything
fleet inlet
Max versions because non Max versions are more expensive here where I live
gritty meadow
aside from reddit points
fleet inlet
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking
Since I don’t care about looks, but just perf for the buck, I think a Pro VDH Max could do the job.
gritty meadow
generally, when your board costs as much as the cpu ... something is wrong
(IF we are talking about a regular consumer machine)
fleet inlet
Got it
gritty meadow
do keep in mind, there are a LOT of people that will disagree with that
gritty meadow
aye
the main difference that people will bring up is related to synthetic benchmarks
fleet inlet
Because some are asynthetic ?
oak sand
Aesthetic?
gritty meadow
people are convinced that they can see a difference from 5 more points in a synthetic
its (again) tied to the "want vs need"
and the mental logistics they are doing to justify their purchases
fleet inlet
By asynthetic, I meant analytic sorry
What you mean is that people observe rather than analyzing ?
fleet inlet
Sorry if my English isn’t perfect, not my first language 🙂
gritty meadow
you have most likely seen people ask a question here on the server where they go: "tell me with a simple number if X is faster than Y"
fleet inlet
Yeah
gritty meadow
and then get ... impatient when being told that is not actually possible.
especially not if they dont give some more context
gritty meadow
yes
that is at least helpful in actually answering the question they dont understand they are actually ASKING
fleet inlet
So asking about something wouldn’t be relevant in all situations
gritty meadow
if you dont understand why you are asking. Does the answer help you?
fleet inlet
Always ask yourself this before even asking to others
fleet inlet
People should know about this
gritty meadow
yes, but it is not really a subject that people take all that kindly to
fleet inlet
I guess it is yeah
gritty meadow
mainly because to answer that question, they have to think
fleet inlet
And that isn’t what people really like to do nowadays
gritty meadow
and people have a tendency to avoid that like mad
fleet inlet
Yeah
They ask to avoid thinking
And so that other people can think instead of them
fleet inlet
I can see myself as that person 😦 should be more thinkful and careful
gritty meadow
and this could easily be directly related to my professional life, but i have no problem with a client asking me 50 questions, because i can bill for those
it is not a "fun" time for me, but at least there is a reward tolerating it
fleet inlet
That’s completely different
gritty meadow
yes
but for me that is where the desire to teach people to think comes from
because i dont have any interest in being an answering machine that people blindly throw questions at
fleet inlet
Some certain people could enjoy answering out of the box.
gritty meadow
elaborate?
weak hamlet
wut
gritty meadow
no, back in the crate with you :P
weak hamlet
ok 😦
gritty meadow
yes, it happens here all the time
weak hamlet
more than you know. haha
fleet inlet
"answering machines"
gritty meadow
people copy what they have "heard/seen" and treat it as gospel/truth
re: questions/answers: You might have seen me answer this (to the "sorry for the questions, i am not good at this etc etc" that new builders say fairly often)
there are no stupid questions, only silly answers
weak hamlet
I dunno about that.
gritty meadow
at the core of it, there are no stupid questions. If you truly want to know something (and you cannot figure it out yourself) you have to ask the question
fleet inlet
if people don't think about what they are asking, i guess there could be 'stupid' questions
gritty meadow
to an extent yes, there could be.
fleet inlet
since they could ask everything and anything
fleet inlet
answering is someone's will
gritty meadow
choice is the word you might be looking for
weak hamlet
it is your newegg duty.
fleet inlet
volition maybe
weak hamlet
or wegg as the kids say.
gritty meadow
yes yes @weak hamlet, that is enough fresh air for you, you are getting all kinds of ideas now
:P
volition works too
fleet inlet
newegg duty 
weak hamlet
weak hamlet
hushed copper
mobo
dim coral
asrock bios is awful lol
hushed copper
But idk
dim coral
i would go msi, asus, and gigabyte
dim coral
asus makes good boards
dim coral
yeah its tasteful not to much
hushed copper
wdym by that
dim coral
im a minimal rgb person
dim coral
i dont have alot just a little only from the motherboard and gpu thats it
hushed copper
plus the strix mobo is like way cheaper
Oh everything except my graphics card is rgb
but no rgb strips
high crystal
the only rgb in my build is just on the case 
my pc also turns on during the night so i dont want to get woken up and blinded by horrible flashing rainbows 
misty belfry
to be fair i have a gigabyte board and the BIOS is atrocious
in relation to the comment up there
fathom tulip
My lpx memory advertised 3200 MHz but I only get that speed with xmp on
And without xmp I get Like 2133 MHz
Is that normal or no
quaint current
just leave xmp on 99% of the time
2133mhz is the base ddr4 speed, every kit is like that, the speed refers to what it hits with xmp on
quaint current
for overclocking (usually expensive, samsung b die ram like https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820313712 )
main pulsar
Are you just gaming?
native thistle
somthing with wifi
uh i plan on gaming and trying to stream and some overclocking
thats my list
cerulean nova
that mobo is definately overkill
native thistle
ive been switching between motherboards and i cant settle on one
native thistle
oh yea actually im going with a build of black/red led
so i cant go with that one or it will ruin the whole build
cerulean nova
what do you think about this one sassy?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FW85VFT?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
native thistle
thats the aorus i was talking about
main pulsar
Yee, that's a good one
native thistle
but i heard it has problems with lighting andoverclocking
cerulean nova
vrm looks decent enough but idk a lot about mobos
main pulsar
It probably has problems with extreme overclocking, but it's not worth your time to push a chip that far
native thistle
why do you say that
main pulsar
Because, the farther you push a chip, the more diminishing performance returns you get
You can push a 2700x like 100-200mhz more, but it really isn't worth risking damage to the chip by upping the voltage manually
Especially for someone somewhat new to PC building
native thistle
i also want to go with water cooling but i dont know much about that
so i was just like naw
main pulsar
Tbh tho, they all pretty much do the same thing, so get one you really like the look of, and don't worry too much about overclocking
Oh, well AIO water coolers are easy to work with
You don't need a custom loop
main pulsar
Yeah, an AIO is a self contained unit
So you attach the block to the CPU like you would a heat sink
And mount the radiator like you would screw in a case fan
native thistle
how many parts are needed for water cooling?
native thistle
wouldnt u need a pump tho
native thistle
so what would i need to do one i got that
main pulsar
The example I sent is the whole loop
native thistle
so whats the videos with people with reservoirs and pumps
main pulsar
That's called a custom loop
native thistle
but aio is still better than air right?
main pulsar
Yes, some are
main pulsar
I gotta go to bed now, so if someone else could help, that would b great.
native thistle
alright gn
long geyser
anyone know a list of boards that support IF OCing for AMD?
FCLK
Or is it that Zen2 allowed for IF OCing (OC IF without memory) and most boards apart from a320 can do IF OC?
vale oracle
Guys i just wanted to know wether or not i should be getting DDR3 or 4 memory?
My MB supports DDR so like
split copper
?
vale oracle
y e s
bro my motherboard supports DDR memory
so should i get DDR3 or 4
its not hard
smh
split copper
split copper
🤔
gritty meadow
perhaps keep the jokes to the general chat
potent dew
Does anyone know of any 5 pin 12VRGBW to 4 pin 12VRGB adapter?
Not a box one that you put with all the cables
I can't find any
naive pendant
Is the ROG Strix z390-e worth it?
broken hazel
Would you guys go with a i5 9600k or a ryzen 7 3700x
cerulean nova
for what?
broken hazel
??
cerulean nova
like gaming?
cerulean nova
or like streaming?
cerulean nova
looks like they trade blows
broken hazel
Yeah I figured I would get someone else's opinion
cerulean nova
but i think the i5 is a bit better
cerulean nova
yep np
you can also get the kf, im pretty sure its the same just with no igpu
and that lowers the price by another $20
broken hazel
ok
long geyser
just get the 3600
9600k(f) already struggles in some games for lows and that will continue while the 3600 doesnt
cerulean nova
ya actually looking at some more benchmarks, the i5 is about 10 fps higher but with lower 1%s, and it comes with a stock cooler so ill take the L and agree with Hei
broken hazel
ok thank you guys for helping me
shrewd jacinth
What you guys think of a 3800x 32gb 3200mhz and a 2070 super
molten grove
hot 😳
granite river
hmm common i guess since everyone almost had 2070 and 5700 xD this year.
but 3800x is kinda diff
i see ryo had 3700x
high crystal
do you know why this would be happening 
naive pendant
sharp blaze
spring terrace
is the x570 aorus master a good choice for around 400 usd
gritty meadow
if you actually need what it offers and want to pay 400 for those things. yes
hollow thorn
(you could pay half for a x570 board with a few less features)
spring terrace
i was also thinking about the msi x570 unify
gritty meadow
@spring terrace look at what you actually need, then buy a part that fits that.
unless you are willing to come on record as saying/admitting that you "want" the auros master board?
just please, for your own sake, dont confuse "want" with "need"
hollow thorn
Also you might want to say what CPU you have
those boards could make sense with a 3950x, but not smth like a 3400g
quaint current
msi unify is a really solid board
but yeah unless you have a oc’d 3900 or a 3950x, I wouldn’t spend more than $180 on a board
naive pendant
the asus tuf x570 board will suit pretty much any of the 3rd gen ryzen cpus without a lot of the frills
long geyser
depends if you OC or not. Even a lowly tomahawk b450 can support a non OCed 3950x with some airflow over the VRMs
spring terrace
i kinda forgot about this, i want to go for a 3700x
grand burrow
Im sure this question is asked a lot, but AMD intel?
are there any real advantages?
cerulean nova
depends on the budget and use case
for anything under $500 or if its used for production, amd
amd comes with a halfway decent stock cooler, so that saves $20 right there, more cores for less most of the time, usually about the same performance as intel for less money
so unless you are really trying to push as many frames as possible with a 9900k, usually amd is better
arctic current
Hey guys having issues with my new build.... I'm able to boot up and have everything act normal but about 1-5mins doing any random task my screen will just go black and not have a output to my monitor. This task every happens when browsing chrome and I tried reseating my ram but that didn't work... Any suggestions?
The system remains on and lit up with no error codes
cerulean nova
is your bios compatible with your cpu? something similar happened to me when i upgraded cpus and forgot to update the bios
pulsar flame
Is it normal for my cpu’s temp and utility to fluctuate randomly when idle. The only background process i can think of is msi afterburner but sometimes its maxing out at 4.7GHz when idle and temps up to 65.
brazen wedge
should i enable xmp?
oak sand
If you have adequate cooling, why not?
brazen wedge
what is adebquate
oak sand
Is it stoxk
brazen wedge
11
oak sand
Mk one sec
oak sand
Im not very knowledgeable on that cooler
brazen wedge
i never had heat issues
oak sand
Have you oc'd though
brazen wedge
oc'd what
oak sand
Your cpu
brazen wedge
no
gritty meadow
@brazen wedge IF your system is stable with XMP, enable it
generally there is not a downside to it
brazen wedge
where can i find the xmp on asus bios? @gritty meadow
gritty meadow
@brazen wedge look in the manual for your specific motherboard :)
twilit mica
In my experience, the manual isn’t that helpful
gritty meadow
@twilit mica it has a rundown of all features of the bios.
naive pendant
Was wondering if anyone can provide some advice. I recently built my (AMD) PC on January 13th. My motherboard is the MSI Gaming Edge, and I have two 16Gs of DDR4 RAM. I put the RAM in the slots correctly, but for some reason the automatic setting for the RAM is 2133 mgs. I have 3600 in total, and when I manually changed it to 3000 mgs, it was fine. However, going to 3600 completely always causes a Video Scheduler Error. My GPU is backed by the 2060s, so I don't think it's a graphics card error. Also, I cannot use the X-AMP or the Game Boost, for whatever reason, Doing this will consistantly cause a video scheduler error whenever I use a lot of RAM.
Sorry to dump all the info at once.
crude path
which slot is the ram in
naive pendant
I believe they are in both the A2 and B2 slots.
crude path
1, 2, 3, 4 usually should be in 2 and 4
crude path
which mobo model specifically
twilit mica
If it is 1234 in the order going away from the cpu, it is correct
crude path
also what i the ram specifically
naive pendant
Hmm, let me see if I can check. Not very tech-wise, but I'll try to provide info.
That's the BIOS info on the RAM
crude path
are you sure your ram is 3600mhz?
naive pendant
Nearly positive.
naive pendant
I believe so.
twilit mica
Yes according to the pic
crude path
cause i had that issue and i had it in the wrong slots
twilit mica
Did you try it in 1 and 3 just because
naive pendant
Not yet, I initially moved them to see if that was the problem.
It just has problems utilizing the full MHZ of the RAM, I believe.
twilit mica
What brand is the ram and if you know, what brand are the memory chips
naive pendant
Let me go and check.
twilit mica
Ight
twilit mica
Do the labels say 3600 MHz?
dusk oracle
on the memory it will say on a label
wet storm
in the b450 tom max what satadata ports are controlled by a native chipset
gritty meadow
considering there are only 4 sata ports, all are native @wet storm
gritty meadow
port 0, always
dusk oracle
Um there is 6 sata ports
dusk oracle
floral jetty
get asus instead
gritty meadow
@wet storm the block on the right is native
dusk oracle
Normally for M.2's port 5 and 6 would be closed
floral jetty
gritty meadow
they are in a potentially shared bond with the m.2 port
as i said, port 0 is your friend
wet storm
ah shid
naive pendant
I see
wet storm
i think i plugged it in som other than port 0
gritty meadow
it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things @wet storm it is just a good habit :)
wet storm
ok thx
gritty meadow
you are very welcome
boreal wedge
What cpu would be a good fit for a 2070s ? Currently have a 2600x. I would like to upgrade soon (either intel or amd. It doesn’t matter to me)
misty belfry
you're probably doing just fine with the CPU you have
if you're just talking about "is it enough for the 2070S?"
if you really want to upgrade buy yourself a 3600 for $200 and make sure your motherboard's BIOS is upgraded fully before you install it
i assume you have a B450
just because everyone does pretty much
boreal wedge
Yes I do
misty belfry
have you updated your BIOS?
your motherboard's manual should tell you how to do it
if you have a maxed out BIOS and double check the CPU support for that BIOS on the manufacturer's website
you should probably be able to move forward with a 3600
literally just remove cooler remove CPU and if you have a stock cooler just put the new CPU in and put the new cooler on top of it, it's already got the thermal compouind
hollow thorn
might need to clean old thermal paste off old cpu if you want to do anythin with it
misty belfry
well yes
i was just suggesting an easy way to do the install
can clean up afterward
hollow thorn
I gotchu
misty belfry
my hyper T2 is performing quite abysmally by my standards so i'm considering applying the wraith spire to it
hollow thorn
you wot
boreal wedge
I have fully updated bios and it’s the prime b450 plus
misty belfry
okay excellent
if you want to upgrade, just buy a 3600 or if you're feeling really saucy grab a 3600X
but your CPU isn't holding back the 2070S
so don't feel rushed
in fact the 3600/3600X are going to be very minor upgrades
boreal wedge
Ok I’ll hold on for a bit then try n go better than the 3600x
misty belfry
yes that's an excellent idea
your board is likely capable of a 3900X
or 3700X is more sensible
if you wait for 4th gen to come out, you can even probably score a 3700X for $150 or a 3900X for $300
(that is speculation based on how the last gen went)
boreal wedge
Excellent I’ll do that thanks!
cerulean nova
is there a differnece between the tomahawk and the max or is it just 3rd gen ryzen support
granite river
hmm
obtuse hornet
I’m planning on building a new PC with a 9700k. Is the lack of hyper threading gonna bite me in the ass if I have a couple programs like chrome or discord running in the background while gaming?
twilit mica
If I were you I’d go with amd, you don’t need that many cores for gaming but if you are recording or streaming or doing anything in the background It definitely helps
If literally all you do is game on your computer intel is better
obtuse hornet
Yeah I don’t really plan on streaming
long geyser
Or you can go 3600 and spend a bunch more on the GPU
obtuse hornet
I’m already going to buy a 2080 Super
twilit mica
Get the ti
tardy kiln
obtuse hornet
I don’t really want to drop an extra $400-500 for like a 10% improvement in games @twilit mica
cerulean nova
darn the 1600 went up to $100
obsidian lagoon
Is the 1600af really any better than the 2200g for games?
cerulean nova
as a cpu? its 6c/12t so id say yes but id have to look up some benchmarks
its comparable to the 2600
misty totem
Just gonna say the 1700 is fantastic and very close to the 2700
dusk oracle
@misty totem core for core it would be close but performance it wouldn't
misty totem
Well yeah it off by like .2 or 3 base ghz
dusk oracle
@obsidian lagoon If you're able to find like a Ryzen 5 1500X for dirt cheap that would still be better than the 2200G in CPU performance only
if buying a CPU to have a iGPU the 2200G/3200G and 2400G/3400G would be the better choices
twilit mica
I have an r5 2600 it is good
viral knoll
what kind of mobo do you need for a 1660ti 2x a i7 8700x build and a lot of fans and cpu cooler from nzxt
gritty meadow
rephrase the question @viral knoll
the 2x part does not make much sense to me at least :)
viral knoll
:)))))))))
idk why I should ask you again I think I'm being disrespectfull to you @gritty meadow because I ask everytime and I still dont get my answer I'm really sorry for doing this
gritty meadow
Nothing to be sorry about @viral knoll
you have questions, we hopefully have answers
gritty meadow
you are not the first, and you will not be the last :)
viral knoll
well idk I have so much Ideas but idk I wanted to get a pc for myself than I am thinking of a guest pc and a normal pc like what is my problem:(
gritty meadow
re: what your problem might be: that is for you to figure out :) just keep asking questions :)
devout mothBOT
yousseftdl#8534 has been warned
viral knoll
what word was it
anyway idk I saw a friend who had a cool gaming setup but
idk man I just want a cool looking or good looking pc with the stuff I need
@gritty meadow 😦
gritty meadow
you had a nice setup going last we talked @viral knoll
oak sand
Idk does he need the xl
gritty meadow
that looks like a "reddit loves this" build
oak sand
And at that price a x570 is easy
gritty meadow
@viral knoll rememeber! when we talked, there was a bunch of limits on where you wanted to buy parts from
viral knoll
but is this setup good?
gritty meadow
what was available in your region
viral knoll
true
gritty meadow
and those ssd's? nope
gritty meadow
someone also made a server that cost a couple of million.
there is always someone that has made something else
also, just on the base level, lets compare what you linked with what i talked with you about
viral knoll
okay
gritty meadow
8core vs 12 core
16 vs 32 gigs ram
450 chipset vs 570
1tb 2.5 inch ssd + 1 tb 2,5 inch ssd vs 1 tb nvme + 2tb 2.5 inch ssd
2080ti vs 2080super
550w corsair cx vs 650w seasonic prime
viral knoll
okay I get it
oak sand
Yeah idk how many people actually use a 2080ti as much as they can
gritty meadow
Lian Li 011D XL vs Corsair 280x
the worst part is that the 2080ti build costs as much as the 2080super build
naive pendant
LMAO
gritty meadow
and i am limited to 1 specific retailer
in his region
so no.
that build is not a very good idea
naive pendant
2080ti is more for person wanting best and don't care about price
gritty meadow
(for the lurkers, the region is very ... odd... with availability)
i would happily (personally) take a 2070super and get the rest of that system)
because ram+storage+cores are that much more relevant imo
viral knoll
so what now
oak sand
Yeah I was gonna spend a ton but then asked myself if I really needed that good of a pc to enjoy it
And I didnt :)
gritty meadow
@viral knoll you attend a "make a decision/commitment" class/course.
then you spend a bunch of money on a machine
and then you game happily for the next X years
viral knoll
yeah
gritty meadow
and please tell that person who linked you that, they are not qualified to make builds
oh, thats right, you are the one that wanted the 280x because of specific looks. hence also the AIO that is in the build i made for you
which IF i can take that out, things get even more skewed in my favour
viral knoll
so what do you mean
because first you said get a 2070 super and upgrade everything else
gritty meadow
no. not what i said.
please go and have a read of the pm chat we had :)
the reasoning should all be there
viral knoll
okay
mint oyster
Asus rog Zenith extreme x399 with post code 00 any ideas
crude path
question, is the z390 mobo series bad at all? currently running a 2600, MIGHT oc, and might wanna upgrade cpu in the future on the same chipset
cerulean nova
Wait like the ryzen 5 2600?
cerulean nova
Lol all good
crude path
i havent heard of the z390 and thought it was just the "before b450" series mobos for am4 xD
crude path
yeh i know tht now lol
gimme 9900k
no im looking at cheap but full atx mobos with a bottom pcie slot that can fit gpu
so i can verticle mount and not lose pcie
crude path
yeh but
urban ferry
that you can fit around your other pcie things
crude path
i want bottom one to keep it out of the way as much as possible
cause i dont wanna have to go around the other ones
urban ferry
meh
hearty furnace
Get a Mobo with WiFi then
crude path
so if i get a ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard, and which is for up to 2nd gen am4, but i update the bios, i can use 3rd gen later on, correct?
gritty meadow
correct
if in doubt, have a look at the cpu support list for that board @crude path
inland river
wondering if anybody can help.... today im trying to install more ram on my MSI laptop... got it open put the new ram into place and turned it on and its not recognizing the new 8 gigs i put in. trying to go from 8 - 16 gigs. i made sure to get all the same specs as the original one thats in there. 8 gigs, DDR4, 2666 MHz. ran a memory diagnostics check and it found nothing. Any ideas??
hoary dagger
Hey fellas quick question.
@crude path just bought an asus x470 prime mobo and wants to know if the last pcie16 slot is still fine for a gpu. Idk how to look this up lol
hollow thorn
@inland river you sure the ram compatable?
inland river
Yeah it is compatible. I figured it out. Had to switch them around in the slots
hollow thorn
Interesting
inland river
The new one had to be in slot A for some reason.
wispy dirge
I'm eyeing this asus amd 570 crosshair xiii (WiFi). Currently my mobo is a SUS ROG STRIX B350-F GAMING AM4 AMD B350 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD. That being said....may goal is to replace my cpu with a ryzen 9 3900x. With these new processors is having a decent motherboard important?
gritty meadow
there is decent, and then there is overpriced because of features you will most likely never use
@wispy dirge also, in theory, IF you update the bios on your current board, it actually can support the 3900x
just scroll down to the bottom of that list
number 5 from the bottom
long geyser
Also note, ROG is a name brand that generally is pricier for what you get anyways. With the fact you're then adding features that you're paying for but won't use on top of that, you're throwing away a lot of money unless you found some great deals
With no OC and a little bit of air going over the VRMs that b350 board can handle a 3900x. If you plan to OC you'd want a fair bit of air going past them VRMs
@wispy dirge
quaint current
yeah the ROG tax
tacit hemlock
Can someone help me with a mobo question
gritty meadow
if you ask it, we can try :)
tacit hemlock
Thx. So I had this prebuilt for a while and I recently did a case swap. All is good rn, however I wanted to upgrade my cpu. I have an i5 6400. 4 cores at 2.4 or 2.6 ghz I think. The new ryzen 5 series just looks so good tho so I want to get a 5 3600. Obviously I need to get a new mobo. My question is whether or not swapping the mobo and cpu will mess up my installation of windows
gritty meadow
in theory yes and no
the activation will most likely complain
(depending on what kind of license type you have, that can be easily fixed)
aside from that, it should not complain, when you have the drivers etc installed
however. it is NOT a swap i would recommend doing without a fresh windows install
tacit hemlock
Ok so best case scenario. I can switch the mobo and cpu and plug all my drives and gpu and such in and I'll be good for the most part
Ok so you would do a clean windows install
gritty meadow
yes
you are not forced to do one
but i dont know the details/state of your windows.
so the safe recommendation is to tell you to do a fresh install
does that make sense?
tacit hemlock
Makes sense. I got my pc from bestbuy so I'm sure the windows that was pre installed is legit but I've been told in the past that a clean install is a good idea
gritty meadow
aye
tacit hemlock
How would you go about that. Like with all your files and data that's on your boot drive
gritty meadow
also in regards to the proposed swap. Your current ram (if it is the stock type that normally comes with that cpu (i5-6400), it is quite slow.
it wont prevent the 3600 from working
but it is not going to be optimal
that is all
tacit hemlock
Ya it is but I got a big cooler master cpu cooler on and I would need to get the most basic ram which isnt all rgb and such so that's why I havent done it yet
gritty meadow
re: fresh windows install: Backup what you need to save. Either into the cloud or to an external harddrive.
tacit hemlock
Ok makes sense. I might also consider getting an m.2 drive because the mobo I'm looking at has one
gritty meadow
okay, what i would recommend you do, is either list all your parts OR your budget OR both :)
and we can try and figure something out for you
going by it piece by piece is the slow way around :)
tacit hemlock
Ok so this is my current specs.
16gb ram (slow)
Gtx 1060 6gb
Core I5 6400
Mobo is a custom one that comes with Asus prebuilt. I dont have much details on it.
500gb ssd (primary)
1tb Toshiba hdd (backup)
My budget is like 150 for the new mobo preferably
And then the ryzen 5 3600 is on sale rn I think
gritty meadow
you are in the US right?
gritty meadow
depends on your budget for it
how much total do you have for the mainboard + cpu
dont worry about it being on sale, just list a number
tacit hemlock
Let's say 350-400
gritty meadow
do you need wifi?
tacit hemlock
I have ethernet so it's not that important rn
I can always get a pcie wifi card down the line
tacit hemlock
Pretty much. Gaming is the main performance draw
gritty meadow
okay, do you know what PSU is in your current machine?
tacit hemlock
Ya I just upgraded it with my case swap. It's a corsair 650w semi modular.
gritty meadow
okay, just for the sake of curiosity, could you find the model number for me?
tacit hemlock
Ya one sec
gritty meadow
thank you
tacit hemlock
Np ty
gritty meadow
how does this look for you @tacit hemlock https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PbYDk6
and dont worry about the warning at the bottom
that is not relevant for that mainboard.
that board has wifi btw
might as well grab it while you upgrade the mainboard
tacit hemlock
I mean if we didnt get the m.2 rn could I get a bigger mobo, (maybe one with rgb lol)
gritty meadow
that is visual over performance
which imo is a very bad trade to make
the moment you dont care about the budget, then you can go visiual
tacit hemlock
Ya... but I also dont like the small mobos
tacit hemlock
Cuz I got a monster size cpu cooler and my gpu is decent sized. I dont like having all that weight on it.
Lol
gritty meadow
nothing to worry about.
tacit hemlock
Does the mobo u sent me have rgb headers for my current setup
gritty meadow
i have a number of itx boards here, smaller that the one i linked you.
you didnt mention anything about rgb earlier
so why would it?
tacit hemlock
My bad on that
gritty meadow
tacit hemlock
What about this one on newegg? ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard
gritty meadow
if you scroll down to the connector part