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naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Gimme a sec

quaint current Dec 9, 2019, 10:02 PM

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📎 AM4_VRM_Tier_List.png

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that list?

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:02 PM

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GN also has several videos focusing on VRM stuff from buildzoid, but those are pretty...verbose and laden with technical errata

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https://m.imgur.com/qm8xp5w?r

Imgur

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Yeah that

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Too late sorry

quaint current Dec 9, 2019, 10:03 PM

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nah ur good

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i just have it on my desktop for fast access

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:04 PM

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you will not help yourself pairing a 3900/3950x with a b450 board but if you're dropping $700+ on a cpu, i doubt $50-100 on a motherboard will make or break you

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I keep forgetting to actually Download it because the tab is always open somewhere

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buuuuut yeah the b450/x470 are more than enough for 3800

versed apex Dec 9, 2019, 10:04 PM

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ah ok thanks for that list

quaint current Dec 9, 2019, 10:04 PM

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i mean idk boards like the c6h extreme can handle the 3950x

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and thats a x370 board

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:05 PM

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i'm painting with a broad brush, there will always be outliers

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:05 PM

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I personally wouldnt worry too much about VRMs

quaint current Dec 9, 2019, 10:05 PM

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yeah

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Its just not smart, if you're spending lots on a CPU chances are you have enough money for a good mobo, as well as actually have a need for the CPU, if you're doing gaming and other mundane tasks I'd rather get 8 or 6 cores and something midrange and spend the rest on a better GPU

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:05 PM

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8700k 5.3 ghz gigabyte hd3 z370 cheap board no issues

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Maybe that's just a lucky chip?

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:06 PM

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nope wife has the same chip same board also at 5.3ghz

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more like VRM conspiracy to get people to by more expensive boards

weak hamlet Dec 9, 2019, 10:07 PM

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she can open Facebook so fast

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SO FAST

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:07 PM

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There's thermal images though

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:07 PM

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lol actually plays more games than i do

weak hamlet Dec 9, 2019, 10:07 PM

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ah

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:07 PM

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@weak hamlet imagine how fast she can click those Facebook games breh

weak hamlet Dec 9, 2019, 10:07 PM

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if she is anything like my wife, she has about a billion photos of the kids that need transfered

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:08 PM

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I feel young

weak hamlet Dec 9, 2019, 10:08 PM

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probably are.

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😄

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:08 PM

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I'm 21

weak hamlet Dec 9, 2019, 10:08 PM

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I'm that too

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and then some.

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:08 PM

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I don't know if 21 is a lot or a little

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:08 PM

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she been playing a ton of Stormland in VR lately

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Here at least

weak hamlet Dec 9, 2019, 10:09 PM

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I want VR :\

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Man I've never actually tried VR

weak hamlet Dec 9, 2019, 10:09 PM

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same

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:09 PM

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But I feel no attraction towards it personally

weak hamlet Dec 9, 2019, 10:09 PM

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I wanna experience at least once

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:09 PM

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its really cool

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Like the only reason I see a reason to get a set is that lightsaber box game

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it's cool but still just a fleshed out tech demo in my eyes

versed apex Dec 9, 2019, 10:09 PM

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@naive pendant beat saber. its a great game

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:09 PM

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I'm much more excited for AR

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Thank you for the title Mr Musk

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:11 PM

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I find it hard to enjoy my 2d games as much in VR since its like a sensory overload lol. Warthunder is amazing in VR but I'm so awestruck by being there I dont end up shooting anyone down

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Is it true most people play warthunder for planes?

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I have played planes once and I mostly just stick to tanks

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:12 PM

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I do but I feel like most people play it for tanks

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Huh

hollow thorn Dec 9, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Its true, but I stick to tanks

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:13 PM

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I always say why crawl when you can fly?

hollow thorn Dec 9, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Because to ur flying is trash

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Like me

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Because there's a bunch of nothing up there and I like environments you can be tactical about

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Personally at least

hollow thorn Dec 9, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Sneeky boi is fun in tank realistic

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:13 PM

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oh you can be pretty tactical in a F4 Phantom

hollow thorn Dec 9, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Offtopic now but anyways

naive pendant Dec 9, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Yeah but terrain is sort of out of the equation in the air

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Its all maneuvering and mobility

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I guess I feel like its just more straightforward

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And its much faster

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Yeah offtopic

valid karma Dec 9, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Lolol idk what cpu to get with my 2070 super

pastel monolith Dec 9, 2019, 10:49 PM

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3600

grim grove Dec 10, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Best unlocked i7 budget wise? I’m thinking of a i7-4790k of a budget of 180$

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So I can overclock it ^

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Intel only please

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 2:19 AM

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gimme a sec

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possible a i5-6500 for 200$ if you can stretch the budget a lil

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a nice skylake chip that can be OCed nicely

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@grim grove maybe a core i3 6300, skylake chip that seems like it can be OCed nicely

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its 165$ rn

grim grove Dec 10, 2019, 2:27 AM

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I’m looking for a i7 tbh

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I7-4790k looks nice

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 2:28 AM

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skylake is a later generation from haswell

grim grove Dec 10, 2019, 2:28 AM

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I see

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 2:36 AM

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listen, @grim grove your 3770 will handle your 1660 super just fine with no bottlenecking issues. when you want to upgrade your gpu in the future, then you can think about it. as of right now, even if you got a 9900ks, you wouldnt see that much of a performance boost, probably only a 5% increase in avg performance due to the card already being saturated by your current cpu, the 3770

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Hi guys, is the MSI x470Gaming Pro Carbon a good choice for overclocking a 2700X?

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 2:39 AM

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b450 gaming pro carbon ac?

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idk a x470 gaming pro carbon

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:39 AM

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No it's an X470 chipset

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 2:39 AM

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I have a b450 gaming pro carbon ac, it works well, I assume x470 is gonna be that, but slightly better

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so yes

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 2:40 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXMP1yRriUA

YouTube

Actually Hardcore Overclocking

motherboard PCB Breakdown: MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon

AHOC Patreon/Shirts/Paypal/Junkyard:http://cxzoid.blogspot.co.uk/p/support-fail.html The Twitch:https://www.twitch.tv/buildzoid The blog: http://cxzoid.blogs...

▶ Play video

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:40 AM

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From what I can find out it seems to be one of the best X470 boards on the market

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The Gaming pro carbon version I mean

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Cool thanks

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Looks like it's vrm's could easily handle overclocking an 8 core cpu like mine. That's what I was looking for.

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 2:46 AM

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even 4790 non k is nice

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:47 AM

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I have a 4790K running in an msi Z97 Gaming 5

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Still very capable cpu

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I have no issues with running modern games on it.

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 AM

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I have issues running modern games, but that's my gpu

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:50 AM

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I have an RX 570 8Gb running in that machine.

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 2:50 AM

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yeah, but 180 for a 4790k isnt exactly a bargain

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used 4790k

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:51 AM

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No definitely not worth it today. I bought mine years ago brand new.

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I just still use it cause it is still very capable.

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And I like having both an Intel and an AMD build.

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 2:52 AM

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no i mean for a new build

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i though we were continuing aux's question

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about wanting a 4790k

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:53 AM

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I certainly can't afford most modern Intel chips.

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 2:53 AM

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I just mentioned I like my 4790 :>

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 2:53 AM

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no no man, if you take a loan, you can get a 10980XE

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Oh lol I didn't see that

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 2:53 AM

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xd

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 2:53 AM

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jkjk thats bad life advice

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Lol

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 2:54 AM

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I think I just have around 450 buckeronies

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:56 AM

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If I had $450 to spend on an upgrade, it would definitely be an RX 5700 TX

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 2:56 AM

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hehe

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somebody mentioned that it overheats and I read down further someone disputing that

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in #general-chat

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Depends on which manufacturer

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 2:57 AM

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I don't have the best airflow tho

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ah

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so the ones with the single fan?

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vs the ones with two or three

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 2:58 AM

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2 fan is usually sweet spot

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ok bye

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 2:58 AM

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The Blower fans? No way I would get one of those. Definitely need at least dual fans

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The blower fan versions do have a reputation for overheating

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 2:59 AM

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oof

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I guess that's a good rule of thumb then :o

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Yeah, I didn't know about that until recently when someone here explained it to me

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:00 AM

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ah

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Before that I was considering buying one cause they're cheaper

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:01 AM

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yeah

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I noticed that too lol

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:01 AM

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I do plan on getting a 5700 xt some time in the next few months

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:02 AM

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I think I would probably go with a 590

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because I only have 450 atm

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and I need to buy other computer stuff like ssds

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:03 AM

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That's what I have in my current 2700x build and it is very nice but I want to be able to game at 1440p with good frame rates

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For half the price of a 5700 xt it is a great deal for the performance you get

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:05 AM

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I think I'll go with it then as I only have a 1280x1024 monitor 200Sad

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:06 AM

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No shame in that. Many people still game with monitors like that

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I still do atm in fact. I also need to buy a new monitor when I get the new card

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I always wanted a dual. monitor setup anyway

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:07 AM

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I'm stretching this thing thin, sharing it with three computers with no backup

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only use it for the main pc mostly tho

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Investing in a new monitor is definitely worth it if you can afford it or save up for it

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My current one has 165mhz refresh rate

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and FreeSync

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:10 AM

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nice

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:10 AM

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It's mind-blowing going from 60 mhz to 144 or 165

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 3:10 AM

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^

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 3:10 AM

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hz

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 3:10 AM

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i am a 75hz gamer

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 3:11 AM

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144 is really nice for me

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 3:11 AM

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i tried 240hz a few months ago

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blew my mind

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:11 AM

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I am a 7 fps gamer Oh_No

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 3:11 AM

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😭

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:11 AM

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If you even just upgraded to a 1080p monitor with those refresh rates you would see a whole new experience

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:12 AM

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I'll probably do that after I upgrade my gpu

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sometime in the future...

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https://tenor.com/view/look-jim-carrey-ace-ventura-looking-for-afuck-to-give-pet-detective-gif-5561700

Tenor

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wherever that future is

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:13 AM

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hot

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 3:13 AM

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cold

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Yeah if 1440p gaming is out of your budget range, you would be much better off getting 144 mhz 1080p monitor a2an rx 590 and if you never gamed on a system like that, I guarantee you'll be plenty happy with it

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and a rx 590*

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:14 AM

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or get a 580 and OC it

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🤷‍♂️

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:15 AM

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580 is still a perfectly good choice for 1080p gaming

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 3:15 AM

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or get a gtx 580 and realise people meant rx580

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:16 AM

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590 is generally not the best buy choice given the 1660 and 1660S

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Lol I want an rtxn2080ti :)

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:16 AM

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r9 390x is more powerful than 590 but costs a wee more

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:16 AM

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a new 580 is also a hard sell given the 1650S

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used 480 / 580 is a good buy tho

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Yeah prices dropped a lot recently in gpu market recently. Many affordable choices for consumers now

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Also just wanna say

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GTX 980s exist

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Lol

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:17 AM

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might need to replace thermal paste

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but they exist

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for 90ish bucks

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980 TIs for a little more than that

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:18 AM

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I've never owned an Nvidia card before. They've always been out of my price range when I was in the market for new cards

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Also here's my current PC planning rn

What GPU would you guys recommend, given that I get the CPU, RAM, and mobo?

📎 unknown.png

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I am willing to buy used

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:19 AM

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That PSU I feel like is TT smart series

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which is bad

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:20 AM

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It has a 80 plus rating... might be the lowest tier possible 80 plus but it's there

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Has a 4.5 rating on Amazon

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:20 AM

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80 plus means nothing in terms of actual quailty

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:20 AM

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I knowwww

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:20 AM

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2200G? Doesn't that have integrated graphics?

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:20 AM

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200Sad

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 3:20 AM

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yes

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:20 AM

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@safe gale yes

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:20 AM

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protections, group regulations, ripple, temperature tolerance, etc

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:21 AM

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I see, you still want a discrete gpu as well

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:21 AM

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remove the elagto card and get a 1660S or something

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:21 AM

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That's a later on budgeting thing

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Like April

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very low priority

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I'm looking for soon buying a gpu

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By April I'll have a job lmao

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:21 AM

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What's your price range?

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:21 AM

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I want to stay under $100, but I'm willing to go a little over

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I'm telling you it's sad

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 AM

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I would advised against that TT PSU and get a Corsair CX series

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 AM

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a lil late

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it's on my dad's order list on amazon

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 AM

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You might be able to pick up an rx 570 for around that

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 AM

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5 year warranty regardless

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 AM

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warranty means little when the entire PC dies

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 AM

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@safe gale I thought about the 480 since they're about that much and slightly outperform the 570

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@long geyser valid

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 AM

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that's why you never cheap out on a PSU

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:23 AM

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That's a good choice as well

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:23 AM

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I kinda wanted a RGB Corsair psu but yk

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:23 AM

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590 is an OCed 580 which is an OCed 480

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:23 AM

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yes

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:23 AM

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So you can OC the 480 a fair bit

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Yep

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 AM

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but also means you need a capture card

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 AM

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I want to remain in the decent temps, so I'll only OC it to maybe a 580

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plus might hit some bottlenecks

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CPU is only a 2nd gen Ryzen 3

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 AM

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You can remove the capture card and have a $200 budget for the GPU

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 AM

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The capture card is my lowest priority

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Yeah and only 4 cores I think

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 AM

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I want to get the GPU asap

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@safe gale 4 core 4 thread

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Like my Q6600

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😔

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 AM

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I want to put my gt730 in my brother's old computer to replace its HD 5570, is that a good upgrade or nah?

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 AM

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If you want to stream, get an nVidia GPU and use NVENC

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Let it do the processing

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Ah HT always helps

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:26 AM

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@split copper very much so

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Although being slightly newer, it's just in general a better gpu

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@elfin warren Good point, good point

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:26 AM

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1650S is about $160, which is about 580 perf as well

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also dont need capture card with it

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cuz NVENC

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 AM

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ah, alright

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Problem there is I don't know how much money I'll have

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I want to make use of the HD 5570 too, so I'll see if there's another old computer that has a slot for it

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Christmas money can range from 60 to 200 bucks

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I really hope it's towards the latter, because then I will definitely go the Nvidia route

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 3:28 AM

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I mean, the only Nvidia cards really worth buying are the 1650S and 1660S. Everything else is just "buy AMD", apart from 2080Ti cuz no competitor

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Try sucking up to everyone that usually gives you the Christmas money lol

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:29 AM

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also I'm reading the reviews on the TT and I'm slowly getting worried with every occasional 1 star I see

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@safe gale I would if I lived closer than 5 hours from all family

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literally
they're 5 hours North, and 6-7 South

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god bless the usa amiright

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Dang that sucks. Then just call them a lot

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:32 AM

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lol

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:33 AM

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I might try selling some printers and keyboards

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the musical kind

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:34 AM

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I used to play the trombone in high school :)

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:34 AM

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hehe

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mine's within arm's reach

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Lol

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I'm actually pretty decent at playing guitar but I've been practicing for years

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:35 AM

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I got a Conn 635 Caribe organ

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:36 AM

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That's an interesting instrument for sure

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:36 AM

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it's got tons of static interference, so I'm going to have to poke around with the circuitry

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:36 AM

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I always wanted to learn violin

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:36 AM

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maybe I need to add a soundcard ThinkingEgg

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 3:36 AM

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learning stuff is good

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Haha

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:37 AM

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my mom has a violin, not sure how much it cost

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Yep and really therapeutic imo

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Decent violins are pretty pricey. But then again so are most instruments no matter what you play

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:38 AM

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depends

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I got the organ for free NYEHE

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Lol

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I mean brand new

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:39 AM

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it's considered obsolete by most people, but it's still a great instrument

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ah tru

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Yeah I used to have one when I was younger.

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I notice many people sell them for cheap at garage sales

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:40 AM

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would probably be in the 20k price range brand new 200Sad

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or at least that's what I've seen of newer electronic organs

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:41 AM

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You would really have to love organ music to spend that much

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:41 AM

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yeah

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it's great that there's almost always a good deal for entry level budgets

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tho are guitars expensive

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Decent guitars are around $200 and up

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If you want professional rock star quality then your taking thousands of dollars

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:46 AM

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hehe

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I've got one, not sure what it's valued at

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probably a simple guitar tho

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:48 AM

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What brand is it?

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:48 AM

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o leme chec

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Np

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Crate Electra

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Not to familiar with that brand but I've heard of it. I'll do a quick search

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:53 AM

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ok

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Looks like they make both lower end and higher end models so it would depend on the exact model

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:54 AM

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ah

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:55 AM

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I'm seeing about $70 up to $350 depending on the model

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From what I have heard is that Crate does have a good reputation

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:56 AM

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neato

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:57 AM

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More than likely you have yourself at least a decent better quality brand

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:57 AM

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yee haw

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Learning to play takes lots and lots of time, patience and practice.

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Play well enough so people don't leave the room with their hands over their ears anyway lol

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:59 AM

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haha

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 4:00 AM

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I got lucky since I had a great friend that was in a professional band and he took the time to teach me

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:01 AM

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I have a Gigabyte X99/i7 5820k combo what do you guys think its worth?

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:02 AM

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brand name x99 boards still go for quite a bit

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i would say that cpu mobo ram combo could get you 220

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if you want to sell it

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:02 AM

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its still in perfect condition i used it for like 3-4 months but i ended up making a new build with the black friday deals

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:03 AM

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you could get like 300 maybe

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:03 AM

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the black friday/cyber monday deals this year we're way too good to pass up on comin out with a new build

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 4:03 AM

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I love how I always end up in off topic conversations in the wrong channels and nobody bats an eye :D

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:03 AM

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but if you want to actually sell it, 220 would be a good price

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:03 AM

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im almost tempted to just make a new build around the mobo/cpu @main pulsar

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Ikr lol Good people here

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:03 AM

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its a really good start for a decent oc build

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:03 AM

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yeah

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i mean, if you already have them, that proc isnt gonna bottleneck a gpu very easily

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you could drop a 2080ti in there, and that proc would keep it fed quite well

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:05 AM

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i essentially have an entire pc sitting here with no storage

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the gpu is garbage though i have a 1050ti sitting in it

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:05 AM

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x99 also natively supports NVMe booting

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 4:05 AM

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yo hmu with that garbage knowmsayn

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:05 AM

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so a pcie ssd card would be good if you cant use an m.2

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:06 AM

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yeah i figured

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maybe i'll try to sell it

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i still need a liquid cooler and more ram for my new build i think id rather dump the money in that

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:06 AM

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yeah, if you already have another build with a better cpu, theres no reason to build another one

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unless you need a backup

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 4:07 AM

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Older Intel boards and cpu's still go for decent money surprisingly

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:07 AM

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or a secondary build for family

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i was looking for a board for my 2011 v1 procs, and they all still go for 200+

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:07 AM

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i was trying to find my board online

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i couldnt find it anywhere less then 250

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:08 AM

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if its in good condition, boards like that wont go for less than like 180

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yeah 250 a good price

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:08 AM

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i never OC the chip or anything its always been stock

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Probably hard to find which drives up prices if it's still in demand and discontinued

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:10 AM

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i mean its a really solid board

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https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-X99-UD4-rev-10#ov

GIGABYTE

GA-X99-UD4 (rev. 1.0) | Motherboard - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

Supports Intel® Core™ i7 6950X Processor Extreme Edition Support Intel® Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 Supports New Intel® Core™ i7 Processor Extreme Editi...

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 4:12 AM

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I know many people, including me that get attached to discontinued boards and cpu's and try to find replacements like my msi z97 gaming 5

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:12 AM

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yo that board can support this monstor of a cpu

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https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/92992/intel-xeon-processor-e5-1680-v4-20m-cache-3-40-ghz.html

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1680 v4 (20M Cache, 3.40 GHz) Product ...

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1680 v4 (20M Cache, 3.40 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:12 AM

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ive seen enthusiast builds use that cpu with my board

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:12 AM

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its top of the line for haswell

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:12 AM

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they are getting better performance then alot of newer 9th gens

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:13 AM

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broadwell*

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they overclock like no tomorrow

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the binning on those xeons

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insanity

safe gale Dec 10, 2019, 4:13 AM

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I never messed with Xeon chips before

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:13 AM

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they'll run it 4.0ghz with regular operating temps

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:13 AM

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well some 1680 v3 procs are unclocked

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:13 AM

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under load out the ass

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:14 AM

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that v4 is actually locked

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:14 AM

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that cpu is a beast

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:15 AM

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its literally a 9900k, with a .2 ghz lower base clock, and way more features

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from like, years ago

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and you could probably push one of those cores to 4.7

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just one

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well, it is 14nm,

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:16 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wH2Jyk

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this is the new build i bought over the holiday

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:16 AM

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with adequate cooling, those could probably push very far

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:16 AM

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all together i spent maybe 1050

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and i got a few games out of promo's as well

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:16 AM

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well, i mean, that machine is beast

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but if you had that 5820k, you really couldve used it

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:17 AM

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i wanna get another 16gb of ram and i absolutely need a AIO cooler

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the 2700x and x470 combo was 350$

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:17 AM

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oh, thats not bad at all

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:18 AM

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yeah i really like the newer gen amd chips ive been wanting to swap over for a long time

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yeah the 2700x was 160 and the board was 150

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i was originally gonna go with a 3700x but for the price of the cpu and the board i could pretty much buy half a new build lol

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but my 2700x gets insanely hot when its underload i triple checked to see if i mounted the cooler correctly and i re applied thermal paste like 5 times

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and its still reaching like 85-90c under load

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so im gonna invest in a AIO cooler next

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Or just a decent air cooler as they perform the same or better than lots of AIOs

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:27 AM

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im using the stock air cooler right now which was supposed to be really good

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but its not

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although i will say i'll give it a 10/10 for looks

gaunt nacelle Dec 10, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Anybody have a solid pair for motherboards and cpus been looking to upgrade

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 4:33 AM

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I got a x99 and a 5820k if you want it lol

main pulsar Dec 10, 2019, 4:37 AM

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i have a like new intel DH77KC with an E3-1240v2

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 5:06 AM

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@craggy anvil The stock cooler is a good stock cooler. But as an overall cooler it is still quite a low end cooler. Generally even a low end $20 cooler beats it in perf

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let alone some $40 - $50 cooler (Scythe Mugen 5, Windale 6) being able to cooler any of the AM4 CPUs, or some $80 air cooler (Le Grand Macho RT, D15s, DRP4) cooling something more substantial.

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 5:09 AM

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im trying to find a AIO cooler for cheap im trying to be patient for a good deal

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 5:16 AM

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a cheap AIO will just be beaten by a decent air cooler

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in noise normalized perf

urban ferry Dec 10, 2019, 5:19 AM

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(just my input) personally i think air coolers have more compatibility issues and look ugly, but yes you are correct a good air cooler will provide the same results.

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 5:20 AM

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I mean Windale 6 / DRP4 dont look as ugly, while performing quite well

urban ferry Dec 10, 2019, 5:21 AM

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yeah, but its impossible for an air cooler to beat the look of a AIO

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imo

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i have a corsair h100i rgb platinum

craggy anvil Dec 10, 2019, 5:23 AM

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thats what im trying to get

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i want the h100i platinum in white

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id settle for the black one though if i can get it cheap

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 5:24 AM

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I dont really have much looks for AIO. It's either air cooler or custom for me

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Just simply due to AIO not really coming over and beating air coolers that much. Unless it's some high end 360mm

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 5:25 AM

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and at 360mm- most people dont have that case. The case upgrade makes it just obsolete

long geyser Dec 10, 2019, 5:27 AM

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Also got to be careful with those AIOs. Like the H150i (360mm I think) with H100i (240mm I think) where the "lower end" one actually beats the "higher end" one in noise normalized perf (source, LTT video done on AIO vs air cooler from many months ago)

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 5:35 AM

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I think the h115i pro edged out the h150i pro in that vid, the Noctua was a U12A.

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I know the platinums have a higher fan rpm ceiling vs the pros, never used either tbh.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 5:47 AM

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AIOs are for when you want your build to look more tidy than it does

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you avoid having the CPU cooler there

humble acorn Dec 10, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Hey, the prism looks clean and shiny XD

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 7:11 AM

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it does

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i am likely to be using the prism myself

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my CPU was borked so i'm trying again on this build in two months

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my monitor also failed, as did my nintendo switch

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so i need to replace the monitor first, and then get the CPU, and then replace the switch, and then get SSD, and then finally a GPU

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months ahead

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:04 AM

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@misty belfry AIO's are also used when space is at a premium.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:05 AM

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so i should really be using an AIO

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:05 AM

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depends on your needs

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:05 AM

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i can mount like a 360mm rad up top in my case

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:05 AM

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just like most everything else, it is question of "what" you as the builder need.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:05 AM

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yeah of course

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Soo how quickly should I upgrade my i5-6500?

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:06 AM

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I am too old in this field to take that for granted Anni

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:06 AM

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immediately! you must have the best CPU of all time all of the time (no seriously screw upgrading that thing it's probably great)

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:07 AM

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@runic coral when you feel that your system is not doing things as fast as you want it to.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:07 AM

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also gotta look at disk I/O when you're talking about a PC feeling slow

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 AM

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disk I/O?

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 AM

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like your hard disk or SSD

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how fast you're running there

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Oh, right! I did that. My HDD's doing perfectly fine.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 AM

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that affects perception of slowness more than CPU

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:09 AM

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I did a few benchmarks and my FPS is suuper unsteady. Like all the way from 100 fps to 2-3 fps.

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:09 AM

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@runic coral IF you have a hdd, trust us, there is performance left in the system

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 8:09 AM

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yee

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:09 AM

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also dropping that low on FPS is very unusual

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Yeah, isn't it?

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 8:10 AM

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SSD

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Depends on what the rest of the system is doing.

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@runic coral do you know what model of HDD you have?

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:10 AM

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it sounds to me like some kind of latency spike

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:11 AM

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I noticed it first with Jedi Fallen Order which, okay, has stuttering issues already. So I launched Rise of the Tomb Raider and got huge FPS um... things.

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@gritty meadow Let me check that for you

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:11 AM

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thank you

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:12 AM

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I have a Western Digital Blue @gritty meadow

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:13 AM

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that sadly doesnt answer it.

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Hecksies

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:13 AM

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let me just grab a picture

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https://www.pricerunner.dk/product/1200x630/1554153246/Western-Digital-Blue-WD5000AZLX-500GB.jpg <- does that look like your harddrive?

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Yup! Except mine is 1TB

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:15 AM

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that is indeed a HDD, it would be highly recommended that you get a ssd

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:15 AM

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I know, I'm actually planning on that at the start of next year

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:15 AM

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but, that is part of a general "how are things actually working in your system" assesment.

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:16 AM

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Think my HDD might have something to do with the weird fps issues?

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:16 AM

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i don't have an SSD yet

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iused to but it failed

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 8:17 AM

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aw man

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rip

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:17 AM

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not unlikely, but it is just guesswork without knowing more about the system.

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Because my current theory is that my CPU's overheating because of the stock cooler.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:17 AM

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it was an ocz vertex plus or something

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SATA 3Gb/sec SSD lol

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was fast, for sure though

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:18 AM

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@runic coral remember that assesment i mentioned earlier :)

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there are many factors that can/will play into things. so yeah :)

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:18 AM

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intel stock cooler should be sufficient unless overclocking

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:18 AM

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@misty belfry I was planning on getting the Kingston something or another. It's just a 100 euris

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@misty belfry I did do a bit of testing and at highest my CPU got to around 72 Celsius

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:19 AM

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if not, get a hyper T2 cooler, it's cheap as dirt, easy to mount, and with good thermal paste will take your temps down a good few degrees

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72 should be fine

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it shouldn't be throttling at that point

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Oh! My friend was adamant that it was too high and needs to be under 70

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:19 AM

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@misty belfry you are wrong.

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72 is not fine on that cpu

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https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/88184/intel-core-i5-6500-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz.html

Intel® Core™ i5-6500 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz) Produ...

Intel® Core™ i5-6500 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

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that is tcase max on that one.

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 8:20 AM

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interesting

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:20 AM

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Okay so a better cooler might fix it. I just... need to get a good cheap one.

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:20 AM

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@runic coral you live close to any pc repairshops?

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:21 AM

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Tj. Max of 71 is something i haven't seen before, i need to keep up with the intel CPUs

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 8:21 AM

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Are you sure that's just because the spec shows Tcase not TJ?

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:21 AM

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always check ARK for intel specs

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:21 AM

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@gritty meadow There's one a few kilometers away.

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:21 AM

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@naive pendant they do weird max temps at times.

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 8:21 AM

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try and underclock ot

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if

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that's possible

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:22 AM

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@split copper Oh gosh, I don't know if could underclock or overclock anything.

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:22 AM

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@runic coral go and ask them IF they have a spare socket 1151 stock cooler, with the copper core. And show them a picture of your current cooler.

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 8:22 AM

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Well, regardless, I think investing in a nice air cooler is smart.

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:23 AM

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(the above suggestion is IF you want to save the most money) (edited: spelling)

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:24 AM

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I'm planning on scrapping my old PC entirely next year, but I need to get this one running well enough to play Cyberpunk

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@gritty meadow I'll give your idea a try for sure.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:25 AM

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hyper T2 or hyper 212 evo are other options if you need a CPU cooler

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:25 AM

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I think I read good things about Hyper 212 evo.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:25 AM

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both of them are good, the 212 is better

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 8:26 AM

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212 evo is a good deal if you can get it for $20 or so, what's your budget / case room / aesthetic preference?

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:26 AM

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depending on specific location in the world, the 212 is either cheap or stupidly expensive for what it is.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:26 AM

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yeah

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in the US it's currently stupidly expensive

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:26 AM

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@naive pendant I mean I really like my current stock cooler because it's so freaking cute and small but that's just me being a dumbass apparently.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:26 AM

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😄

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 8:26 AM

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This? https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71pB3%2BVhJIL._SL1500_.jpg

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Look at it! So cute and small~

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Yes

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:27 AM

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chunky and heavy is the standard for air coolers @runic coral

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if you want them to actually do stuff

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:27 AM

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@gritty meadow I know, I know.

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Personally I like noctua D15S 's

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:27 AM

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But I don't plan on overclocking or anything

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:28 AM

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it's still good to get a better cooler for your CPU since it's behaving so badly

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:28 AM

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@runic coral consider this, the bigger the chunk of metal, the less airflow you need.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:28 AM

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but, the more airflow you'll probably get

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:28 AM

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the above is one of the main reasons that a lot of technicians like noctuas

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 8:29 AM

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surface area is more important than bigger chunk

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:29 AM

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@misty belfry I will! I've looked at a few low-profile coolers, but apparently those create their own problems with RAM etc. I really just need to get that big chunk of metal, whether I like it or not.

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:29 AM

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@split copper yes mr obvious :) . And what comes with a big chunk of metal in the cooler world?

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oh, i do believe it is surface area :)

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 8:30 AM

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but it'

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's a small chunk of metal

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:30 AM

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i'm probably going to get a better cooler eventually

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going to have wraith prism when i get my new CPU

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:30 AM

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I really liked the look of Noctua NH-L12S

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Honestly, I should just build an ITX build and be done with it

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 8:31 AM

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I like what they did with the U12A - I'm looking forward to a full size dual tower/140mm version

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:31 AM

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on the path of ITX there are many expenses, just saying :) (i mainly use ITX for personal rigs)

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:31 AM

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i'm building ITX

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:32 AM

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@gritty meadow That's why I've mostly stuck to mATX, the expense with ITX is too high

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:34 AM

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i'm coming to find out the expense is too high

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as i'm needing to buy things i didn't need to

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but i already have parts

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so i'd better just suck it up and keep buying

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:3

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 8:35 AM

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oof

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so

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what are some expenses of ITX

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:36 AM

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motherboards more expensive

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:36 AM

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size requirements.

split copper Dec 10, 2019, 8:36 AM

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ah ic

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 8:36 AM

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needing to get things to fit in whatever case it is you have

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i have a define nano S so i have plenty of room

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it's like an extra-mini mini tower

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:37 AM

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@split copper people have a habit of beginning from the chassis and not understanding what the limitations are.

runic coral Dec 10, 2019, 8:37 AM

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I'll need to completely redo my PC anyway (the case is busted and I'm moving to AMD) so ITX might not be an impossibility?

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 8:38 AM

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@runic coral depending on your needs, ITX might suit you. But that is really only something you can decide on :)

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@misty belfry the Nano S is huge

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Node 304 is my current case of choice.

floral quarry Dec 10, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Is it worth getting the Threadripper 3970X now because it's on a new chipset and it will guarantee future-proofing my new mobo?

humble acorn Dec 10, 2019, 12:00 PM

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It's never worth it, unless you really do have large multithreaded workloads. Otherwise it's just for bragging rights

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But yea it's a much better platform overall than the previous threadrippers if the reviews are anything to go by.

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Though as for future proofing I would hope they use the new socket more than just this generation

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 12:59 PM

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@gritty meadow the nano S is the type of case i wanted though, with plenty of room for disks and fans at a small size, and lots of room for airflow

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wasn't looking to spend on an SFX power supply either

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the nano S is $60 and has tons of features

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:03 PM

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@misty belfry i think there is a misunderstanding somewhere.

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My comment was meant to signal that the nano s is (in the world of itx cases) quite easy to work with

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:05 PM

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it is easy to work with

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i built a PC with it already but i had a bum CPU

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:05 PM

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and it does not really require anything too exotic in regards to parts :)

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:05 PM

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because all the power and everything was going everywhere

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but it wasn't doing anything

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:05 PM

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not like the FT03-mini which needs a SFX fx

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:06 PM

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well it was important too for me to fit a large GPU (of course with blower fan) into the case

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i'm not buying an nvidya card in fact because the motherboard and case have the PCIe slot in immediate proximity to the power supply and nvidya doesn't offer blower fans anymore

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:21 PM

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@misty belfry there are board partners that offer blower style coolers

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:21 PM

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yeah i just looked at stuff

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fractal themselves says to use a blower fan with the case i have because of the power supply's location

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still will probably go AMD because of bang for buck right now

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:22 PM

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yes, the proximity makes it slightly weirder in the nano s

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Depends how interested you'd be in modding the case to accept a non conventional fan type.

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:23 PM

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however, the main challenge is the 2 slot thickness absolute limit

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:23 PM

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5700 XT is the same price as the 2060 Super and beats it handily at just about everything

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:23 PM

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the psu is directly below the mainboard

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:23 PM

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yes

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fortunately the 5700 series are 2 slots absolute

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:25 PM

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not all of them @misty belfry

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:25 PM

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well yes but the reference designs

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with the blower fan

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Ah, ya unless you went single slot - but I bet you remember how hot that 8800gt got lol. Waterblock single slot is common ... but... that's a big comittment haha.

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:26 PM

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yeah i'm not doing waterblock

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Lol ya, what case and mobo btw?

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Fractal Design Nano S

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so, some itx board

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:27 PM

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ITX boards are all pretty much the same

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except some are a bit more feature packed

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:30 PM

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not much room for too many features on an ITX

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:30 PM

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plenty of room, depends on the choices made

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:31 PM

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well the gigabyte aorus board has an M.2 slot on the front of the motherboard

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whereas all others have it on the back

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for AMD at least

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:31 PM

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you are wrong on that one @misty belfry

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plenty of other boards have both front and back connectors for m.2 drives

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:31 PM

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that Asrock mini itx was pretty loaded had 3x m.2 and 4 ram slots

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:32 PM

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@pastel monolith you thinking of the x299 one?

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:32 PM

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i searched for another besides the expensive aorus that had a front M.2 connector in AM4 boards and i couldn't find any others

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:32 PM

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that one is using so-dimm iirc

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:32 PM

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yeah I think it was x299

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:32 PM

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it is from the "freak" lab at asrock :)

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:32 PM

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still a ton of stuff on a ITX

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:34 PM

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@misty belfry if you look at fx x570 (itx) boards, i believe all of them have a front connector for m.2 (it is just beneath a heatsink) (edit: added clarification)

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:35 PM

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plus the so-dimms are tiny too so it fits the theme lol

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:36 PM

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What about a pcie x4 to m.2 adapter

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About $11

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:36 PM

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the x299 asrock is very much a freak board. More of a "because we can" board

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@naive pendant your point?

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:37 PM

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This thing was the WTF board tome haha. Even more niche than Apex's or darks https://www.amazon.com/ROG-Crosshair-VIII-Motherboard-SO-DIMM-2/dp/B07Y2NMRBP

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:37 PM

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If I was more "because I can" with my money I'd get one

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:38 PM

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it is "dead" space in a lot of ITX cases.

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heck, i can fit that one in the node 304

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Haha - to clarify - I don't comment after you do in these threads trying to correct you - you give great advice, my intent is to give potentially useful anecdotes or opinion.

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 2:39 PM

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It's all fun, let's not 🗡️ eachother 😉

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:39 PM

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aye aye, i am just talking about this, because it is rare that people have actual knowledge. so i am just enjoying the conversation.

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but @weak hamlet if we want to get to the juicy bit, we need a knife to open you up :P

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that is what you get for being a box :P

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 2:40 PM

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I have flaps you know..

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no need to cut.

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:41 PM

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I stuff inappropriate things in small boxes all the time

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:41 PM

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so, what you are saying is that you just have all the bits flapping about?

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Hard to believe - I'll make that sound less perplexing with a a pic

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 2:41 PM

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rofl

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:42 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T9PC9ZZ/ this was the favorite board for me but too expensive

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i got one for just about half that

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:43 PM

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aorus are good boards

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:43 PM

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they are

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:43 PM

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but as you said expensive

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:43 PM

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yes

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have to budget somewhere

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 2:43 PM

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I want that msi creator board.

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 2:44 PM

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personally i would be willing to invest in something like that Impact IF we had moved to the first gen of AM5

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:44 PM

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I wanted to get that EVGA Dark board but I couldnt justify it plus $400 for a motherboard with only 2 ram slots..... (I know its for max overclocking but still)

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:48 PM

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The z390? That's a semi E-atx. TBH - the only box it's been in is the one that it shipped in haha.

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:48 PM

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yeah

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:48 PM

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XI gene or certain msi $200 or less level boards are both popular options.

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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I have a terrible motherboard 😭

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https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145040

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 2:56 PM

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that's not terrible

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 2:57 PM

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How is that terrible?

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:58 PM

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its not really

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Just would have rather got a more expensive one at the time

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Why? What does it not have that you need?

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 2:59 PM

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I'd say you'd feel the pain putting a 9900ks in there OC'd, but kaby sips power in comparison.

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:59 PM

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supposedly the VRMs are garbage but it didnt give me any trouble with my OC

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Supposedly.....

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They aren't

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 2:59 PM

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yeah key word

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 2:59 PM

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UNless you're going liquid nitrogen for an overclock or something

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 3:00 PM

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@pastel monolith you can live your life by the standards of others OR you can decide for yourself if you are happy :)

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i personally prefer deciding for myself :)

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Seems to me like it's working just fine, no need to worry about it. VRM hype is just that, hype

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:01 PM

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and thats a whack price on that. I paid 109.99 shortly after it was released lol

gritty meadow Dec 10, 2019, 3:01 PM

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there are plenty of people that have bugger all idea about what they actually need

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:02 PM

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For the most part, OC potential is user setup/config + cooling. You can usually sternly talk the VRM config into giving the CPU enough. Longevity of both the chip itself due to a very liberal interpretation of R and M in VRM along with the ~~glow plugs~~ FETs/Caps/Chokes on the board are what make me uneasy

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:03 PM

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not really to concerned about longevity the liquid metal is slowly eating all that longevity away lol

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:03 PM

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For the most part though, unless you're doing Xtreme OC, the VRM won't give you an issue.

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:03 PM

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What'd you LM? and where?

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:03 PM

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delidded and LM between waterblock and CPU 😳

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:04 PM

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True - but 9900k's changed that when people put them on z390 pro carbon AC's, along with all the other 4x2 4c029/ 4c024n (vcore) boards

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:04 PM

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is a 5.3ghz 8700k an extreme OC?

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:05 PM

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That's high, ya. Gotta state test case, package power, vcore load, core max, ambient etc, though.

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:06 PM

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1.33v

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and 1.38 on my wifes 8700k

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same board same cpu

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Very nice either way even if the chip lottery let you down, I love the custom cooling aspect of builds the most tbh.

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I have a bum IMC in my 9700k, never let it lose my adoration.

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:08 PM

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LOL

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P95 cant get me above 90c after I added the custom loop

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usually average around 81c under full load

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:10 PM

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I tried prime 95 on air with my 3700x. hit thermal and shut it down. Which is why I went water

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:11 PM

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and liquid cooling with AIOs is so easy and inexpensive now

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Yup.

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:12 PM

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good time to be a computer enthusiast

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I bought an AIO with crappy fans and replaced them but still worth it

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Absolutely, zen2 really brought competition vs intel , ddr4 is cheap+fast, ssd's are dirty cheap and make the entire pc experience worlds better. Oh, also PSU's don't like to explode much anymore.

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Nope, manufacturers wised up to crappy caps in those

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:18 PM

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oh you can still buy a "great wall" power supply lol

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:19 PM

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We're about to see PSU's get a huge new leap with the move to both digital voltage control and GAnFET transistors.

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:20 PM

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digitally controlled feedback loops!!

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Haha ya, I felt leaving it that vague was lazy even for me

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:21 PM

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LOL

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 PM

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That said, I've heard a few accounts of ax1600i's blowing up

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 PM

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havent been following GaN too much getting there huh?

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Yet mining abused 1600 T2's chugging along

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Haha which term did I botch - it still souns funny to me

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 PM

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I think GaN FET is right

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 PM

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N should definitely be capitalized ya haha

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Gallium Nitride....interesting it's finally being used

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There's talk of this being the new wave for CPU's also rather than silicon

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Lol double wrong, GAn -> GaN , ok I need coffee

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Gallium Arsenide?

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Can't remember

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Someone start an argument over 9700k vs 3700x so that triple foot in mouth on my part gets pushed up

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Ga = Galium N = Nitride

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Ya

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Nil, you're the EE, right?

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 PM

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yep

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 PM

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EE?

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 PM

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long time out of school though

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Electrical Engineer....

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 PM

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oh.

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 PM

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electirical computer engineer technically on my end

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 PM

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uh huh

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and I'm a box.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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😄

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https://tenor.com/view/issa-joke-its-ajoke-im-joking-gif-7246089

Tenor

issa joke

▶ Play video

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:28 PM

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not as glamorous as it sounds I help troubleshoot beverage dispensers LOL

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mostly juice dispensers...

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although my company is known for coffee

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:30 PM

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I used to deal with security equipment. All the stuff at the airport but for the public market. Some TSA stuff and government too

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 3:31 PM

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So you're a juicer? 😛

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:31 PM

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lol yep

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 3:31 PM

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I like you even more now.

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lol.

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Theres a lot of complexity that goes into dispensing juice with electronics and not electricuting people alright....LOL

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 3:32 PM

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I bet

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Especially if you're in Europe on their 220VAC system hehe

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 3:32 PM

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You mean just pushing the button and juice comes out.. there is more to it?

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:32 PM

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We have a silly 240V 3 wire in the us, salty.

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:32 PM

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thats actually a lot more of a pain than you know the whole different standards of electricity through out the world

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Indeed.

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:33 PM

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230 50 being common?

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:33 PM

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220v - 240v usually

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50hz-60hz

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you would think the world would try to standardize

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Well, there's 110/50, 230/50, then in the US it's 110/60, 240/60, 208 three phase, 277 three phase, 408 three phase and the list goes on and on.

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:36 PM

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US homes get two 120V lines split phase off a center tapped 10kv pole pig usually, so each is 180 deg apart for 240V rms, I think

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 3:36 PM

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yep

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Haha I was gonna click un-enroll ( /s they don't teach us useful things like that at all) if I got that one wrong , 4th in an hour, lol.

grim grove Dec 10, 2019, 4:07 PM

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anyone know a good pc for under 600 for my cousin
want maxed out specs
UK Shipping

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 5:23 PM

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also there's Japan which uses a similar system to US but it's 100V

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100V/60Hz with a weird grounding method: you take this little lead with a metal loop on the end and you screw it on the wall plate

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i dunno if they've gone to the US method at this point of having a 3-prong cable

ionic plank Dec 10, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Is a intel core i3 processor good or bad for editing video

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:41 PM

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bad

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You want processor speed and multi core as much as possible

ionic plank Dec 10, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Ohh ok

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Thanks

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Indeed! Get the highest core count you can afford. Probably Ryzen at this point.

ionic plank Dec 10, 2019, 6:47 PM

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📎 image0.png

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This is good right

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Yes, yes it is!

ionic plank Dec 10, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Price 307

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:48 PM

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If you can afford that do it, I actually have that very processor

ionic plank Dec 10, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Ohh thank for the Help

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:48 PM

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It transcodes videos so fast it's ridiculous

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:48 PM

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pair it with 3600mhz ram

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:48 PM

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CL16 3600

ionic plank Dec 10, 2019, 6:48 PM

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K

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:48 PM

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c16 is idea but not needed

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Correct

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It's the sweet spot

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But honestly, you won't notice between 18 and 16

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:49 PM

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also very expensive

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Is it?

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:49 PM

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lower cl yes

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:50 PM

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$100 for a 16 gig RGB kit?

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https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232859?Description=ddr4 3600 cl16&cm_re=ddr4_3600_cl16-_-20-232-859-_-Product

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:50 PM

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I'm a 18-18-18-36 kind of guy

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:51 PM

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$80 for non-RGB

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https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880?Description=ddr4 3600 cl16&cm_re=ddr4_3600_cl16-_-20-232-880-_-Product

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:51 PM

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man thats cheap for 3600 16gb

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:51 PM

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right? C16 too

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:52 PM

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i feel like timings are all relative to the speed

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Let's be honest, you won't see a difference between 18 and 16

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:52 PM

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16 good for 3600 18 good for 4266

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:52 PM

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OH yeah

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For sure, the faster you go the looser timings you need

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more loose

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:53 PM

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I tried to tighten mine its impossible wont do better than 18

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could be my board

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Mine is 16-18-18-38

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:53 PM

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at 4266?

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:53 PM

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3600 lol

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:54 PM

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yeah I wish I could get mine down to 17

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but i dont really notice any differences bewteen it and 3200

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Yo won't except in benchmarks

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:55 PM

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need to get one of those new AMDs so I can see what it does to those

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:55 PM

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I have a 3700x

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it only really matter for benchmarks

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Or perhaps for long video transcodes, shaving off some seconds

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:56 PM

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yeah even it would benefit much from going past 3600 huh

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sweet spot and all

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:56 PM

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The returns are very diminishing past 3600

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Pretty much nothing

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I bumped mine to 3700 just for giggles

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so I can say 3700x/3700mhz

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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oooh I like it

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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just need rtx 3700ti

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Are you also 37 years old? LOL!

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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38

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but close!

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lol

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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osnap, should have bought a 3800

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38/38/38

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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wallet didn't like it

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Mine neither

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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its still pissed about the 3700x

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lol

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Eh, bonus check paid for that

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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lucky u

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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New CPU/RAM/Mobo/AIO

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Mine never forgave me for the 2080ti

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Yes, I am indeed lucky

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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the wallet, or the wife Nil..

pastel monolith Dec 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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LOL both.....

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If I could go back and do it again I would have got us both 2080ti's so I didnt have to hear about it all the time LOL

weak hamlet Dec 10, 2019, 6:59 PM

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lol

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Eh, wife just let me buy a new KTM motorcycle so.....but she gets a new one in a couple months. That was the trade off

valid karma Dec 10, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Best Mobo for Ryzen 7 3700x for around 100

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 7:44 PM

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$100?

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You're going to be looking at a B450 series. May or may not come with the right BIOS so may take extra work

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:45 PM

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b450 prob

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most likely correct bios buying new b450, buying refurb will have good chance of bios being out of date

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 7:45 PM

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If you could go $150 that would really make a difference

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:46 PM

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@valid karma you need integrated wifi or no

valid karma Dec 10, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Nah I do not

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:48 PM

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you do?

valid karma Dec 10, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Not

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:48 PM

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oh I see

valid karma Dec 10, 2019, 7:48 PM

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@elfin warren your option?

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:48 PM

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that makes it bit easier

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 7:48 PM

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ASRock B450 Steel?

valid karma Dec 10, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Atx ideally

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 7:49 PM

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It is ATX

valid karma Dec 10, 2019, 7:49 PM

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I could not get a 2070 super and get a better Mobo

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Oh

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yeah

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Get a 5700XT and get a better Mobo!

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:50 PM

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MSI b450 a pro if you want to

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 7:50 PM

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For $150 you could go X570 for PCIE Gen 4 M.2 goodness

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:50 PM

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asrock one I see looks like mATX

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or is there a full atx one

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 7:50 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-B450-Promontory-CrossFireX-Motherboard/dp/B07MV7LR1B

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Oh I see

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go with that

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I heard good things about steel legend

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Nah, go 5700XT, take extra money and go X570

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:52 PM

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idk anything bout his build so :p

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 7:52 PM

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They're looking at 2070 super

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:52 PM

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it can go either way proformance wise, depends on price of 2070s and 5700xt

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 7:53 PM

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2070 SUper is $500

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5700XT is $400

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 7:54 PM

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then get yourself a nice 5700xt at like 450

valid karma Dec 10, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Getting Aorus 2070 super

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1905 boost clock

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Ok, if you want to save $100 and only lose 4 FPS, get a 5700XT

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Actually, I take that back. The XT does better at 1440p gaming and 4K gaming

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Give or take

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 8:11 PM

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depends on the game bekora

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Yeah, it does

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 8:11 PM

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I agree with the first statement not the second

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Yep

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I scrolled further down a benchmark list and other games it was slower

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 8:12 PM

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It's usually like 4-5 frames where it might be important

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(like devaluing frames in say csgo)

cerulean nova Dec 10, 2019, 9:58 PM

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is ryzen or intel better for gaming, comparing CPUs of the same price

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i was thinking of getting the ryzen 5 2600 because cpubenchmark.net says its the best for its price but I don't know if the site is accurate for gaming

elfin warren Dec 10, 2019, 10:01 PM

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At that price point, I'd go 2600

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It's great for games also

cerulean nova Dec 10, 2019, 10:01 PM

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alright thanks

heady iron Dec 10, 2019, 10:35 PM

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so i have 12gb ddr4 2666 would it be worth upgrading to 16gb 3200 ?

grim grove Dec 10, 2019, 10:36 PM

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For how much @heady iron

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Do 3600 If you have 3rd gen ryzen

heady iron Dec 10, 2019, 10:37 PM

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I 7-7700

grim grove Dec 10, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Good cpu ^

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Upgrading isn't gonna be worth much

grim grove Dec 10, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Try get the K so you can overclock

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But if you don’t it’s fine

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Ryzen really likes speed of ram, intel not so much

grim grove Dec 10, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Wanna get into Ryzen tbh

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 10:39 PM

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I got a 2700 in my build rn, a 3800x ready to be put in

heady iron Dec 10, 2019, 10:39 PM

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yeah i bought a pre built omen about 1 year ago kinda just upgrading here and there until i have to move out of the small case
hp omen 870-219

hollow thorn Dec 10, 2019, 10:40 PM

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We'll be around to help whenever you decide that

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 11:43 PM

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whats a good motherboard for AMD?

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 11:52 PM

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well your question is very open-ended

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what are you trying to do and what processor do you want?

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Im getting a Ryzen 7 3700X

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 11:56 PM

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and what is your main use case for this system

naive pendant Dec 10, 2019, 11:56 PM

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gaming mainly

misty belfry Dec 10, 2019, 11:59 PM

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what size of case are you going to be working in

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https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145160 if money isn't a problem, this is an excellent board for most average sized cases, and you can put DDR4-4000 in it, which your CPU will eat up nicely

naive pendant Dec 11, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Unless they're ok with manual memory freq/timings, not a great idea. 4000-c18 can be a nice bin for sure.

misty belfry Dec 11, 2019, 12:05 AM

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do you need to do it manually?

naive pendant Dec 11, 2019, 12:06 AM

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You'd probably want to aim for 3600 c14 , or at least c16 with a 4000c18 kit. Also $$

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If you do OC the fabric, it's not common to expect more than 1-200mhz, not usually worth it.

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Nor it is worth losing 1:1

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Wellll

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Gamers Nexus did a test

misty belfry Dec 11, 2019, 12:07 AM

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so you can't just put the DDR4-4000 in the board and hit XMP

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Oddly enough, it was something DDR2400 and mismatched fabric timings did just as well as DDR4 3600 or something. It was really odd

naive pendant Dec 11, 2019, 12:08 AM

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You can, but fabric definitely isn't going to hit 2000mhz, - main point is whether or not they want plug and play.

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:08 AM

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OH no, fabric is 1900mhz maximum

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DDR 4 3800, anything else is meh

naive pendant Dec 11, 2019, 12:09 AM

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If someone is looking for plug and play, I'm not going to tell them to play with Fclk OC , asynchrousoous etc

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:09 AM

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nope

misty belfry Dec 11, 2019, 12:09 AM

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i didn't realize that particular issue existed

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:10 AM

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It's not an issue, really

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Anything more than DDR4 3600 with CL16 is really wasting money with AMD

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The returns don't justify the extra money

misty belfry Dec 11, 2019, 12:11 AM

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with my board i am trying to decide when i put the RAM in to get some ECC UDIMMs or just go full DDR4-3200

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Why ECC? Is it Xeon or something?

misty belfry Dec 11, 2019, 12:13 AM

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ryzen 7 supports ECC

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provided it's unbuffered

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Yeah but....that's totally unnecessary

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Why would you?

misty belfry Dec 11, 2019, 12:14 AM

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increased stability, that and the RAM is really affordable

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Stability....you running a server with it?

misty belfry Dec 11, 2019, 12:15 AM

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no, i'm just running it

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Eh, o.....k.

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Anyone have opinions on which is better? MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon vs MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus ? I'm looking for better board to pair with my 2700X.

I don't really care about the pcie 4.0 and stuff. Just want better overclocking and performance overall.

hollow thorn Dec 11, 2019, 12:33 AM

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x470

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Literally the only reason to get X570 is the PCIE 4

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If you don't care about that, go 470

hollow thorn Dec 11, 2019, 12:33 AM

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you need 3rd gen for full usage of x570 anyways

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Ok that's what I thought. I'm going to get the x470. Thanks guys

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:36 AM

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is the ryzen 9 3900x worth it?

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 12:37 AM

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yes, also no

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:37 AM

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btw im not even researching first soooooo....... yeah

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Only if you want the best.

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 12:37 AM

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state your purpose for what it is

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used for

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:37 AM

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gaming and some video editing

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also streaming

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maybe

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:38 AM

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My 2700x is plenty powerful enough but I don't do editing

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:39 AM

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because lets just say i want my new setup (for which ive been saving for years) to be as overkill as it can possibly be

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:40 AM

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In that case, if you can afford it, get it

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:40 AM

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sure

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but before i make my pocket hurt

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which brand should i buy from

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intel or amd

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:41 AM

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That debate has been raging for a long time lol

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They both make great capable cpus no days

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It's really more personal preference

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:42 AM

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lets just compare the i9 9900k with the ryzen 9 3900x

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 12:43 AM

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for productivity, 3900x

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:43 AM

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3900x will make your pocket book hurt less

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 12:43 AM

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same price tho

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3700x is basically a 9900k for cheaper

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3900x is greater than 9900k

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but same price

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:44 AM

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so i guess ill go for the 3900x

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Does the 9900k have Hyper threading?

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:44 AM

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idk

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lemme check

rocky nova Dec 11, 2019, 12:45 AM

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hey guys sorry if im interrupting do u know any good motherboards for the r5 2600?

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:45 AM

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If video editing you'll want hyper threading is what I've read

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:45 AM

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yep

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the i9 does

naive pendant Dec 11, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Lol, the 9900k is definitely superior to a 3700x. Worth the cost? maybe not.

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:46 AM

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probably

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Imo I would go for the 3900X

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:46 AM

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although i do appreciate the extra cores and threads on the 3900x

naive pendant Dec 11, 2019, 12:47 AM

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At least on average, few cases in raw compute or in big storage use cases, x570 can win out.

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:48 AM

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@rocky nova depends on your budget and features your looking for. There's many good options to choose from. Even B450's are decent.

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 12:48 AM

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I mean AMD got that large amount of cache

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:48 AM

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which is useful

rocky nova Dec 11, 2019, 12:48 AM

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i was actually looking at a b450 motherboard because i am on a bit of a budget

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 12:48 AM

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in specific workloads

rocky nova Dec 11, 2019, 12:48 AM

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i'd say around $100 maybe a little more?

median scaffold Dec 11, 2019, 12:49 AM

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k ill look into that

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brb

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:49 AM

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B450 with what CPU?

rocky nova Dec 11, 2019, 12:49 AM

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2600

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non x

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:49 AM

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I think the ASROCK Steel Legend is around $100. Good from what I've heard.

rocky nova Dec 11, 2019, 12:50 AM

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i'll check it out rn

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 12:50 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-B450-Promontory-CrossFireX-Motherboard/dp/B07MV7LR1B

safe gale Dec 11, 2019, 12:51 AM

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MSI has also has some B450's for around $100

rocky nova Dec 11, 2019, 12:59 AM

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is there a noticeable difference between b450 and other chipsets?

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and if so what would it be, im not too knowledgeable on motherboards

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 1:00 AM

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for a 2600, good options are B450, X370, X470. But unless you're going to over clock, it really doesn't matter.

rocky nova Dec 11, 2019, 1:04 AM

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im good w base clocks ive never really been a big fan of overclocking

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tysm for the info guys i think im gonna get the steel legend

willow patio Dec 11, 2019, 2:58 AM

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oh lol

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i was gonna ask if the asrock steel legend b450 is a good buy

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ordered it today with my ryzen 5 3600 but mobo is out of stock so its coming like 2 weeks later lmao

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 3:22 AM

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it's decent. Not the best BIOS

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 3:22 AM

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IN the $100 range?

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Is there something better>?

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 3:23 AM

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I mean probs getting it for aesthetics
But MSI would be better cuz their Zen2 BIOS issues are out of the way now

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tho, only for OCing tho

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 3:23 AM

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I was just looking for a good board in the $100 range

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If MSI is better, I'll recommend that from now on

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Eh, if there isnt any OCing going on it's rather fine

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considering it's Zen2, why OC?

elfin warren Dec 11, 2019, 3:24 AM

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I figure for $100 they won't be OC'ing

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Still fine to recommend, but maybe give a warning

quaint current Dec 11, 2019, 3:25 AM

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tomahawk max is a pretty good board for around $100

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 3:25 AM

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actually a lot of the max series are basically the same in VRM and BIOS. So all are pretty great OCers afaik

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(for their price)

quaint current Dec 11, 2019, 3:26 AM

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yeah as only as it’s not an oc’d 3900x/3950x afaik you should be fine

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with decent airflow

long geyser Dec 11, 2019, 3:40 AM

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I mean even MSI B450 can handle moderate OC of 3900x