graphics-cards

[spice prawn]

and then in a weeks time we get the zen3 reviews

we dont know what/how @round crown

[round crown]

Ah ok

[stable shuttle]

I would assume just the specs and benchmarks

Personally

[spice prawn]

we know they will reveal at least 2 cards. But we dont know if its a hard launch (cards right away) or a soft launch or a paper launch (which is very close to what nvidia did)

[stable shuttle]

It's the 6000 series right? I'm expecting the 6800 at least

[short cedar]

I'm sitting on a new Ryzen 3700x and a 5 year old 980GTX and I wanna upgrade lol

[spice prawn]

aye, there is a small chance they might be bundling it all for physical release together with zen3

[stable shuttle]

It'll likely be a soft launch

[spice prawn]

aye, that is the most likely

[short cedar]

I just dont know what graphics card to buy since everything is coming out at the same time

[spice prawn]

the question is just how long a wait

[stable shuttle]

They will be out by black Friday

[spice prawn]

re: what cards: 6800/6900 and potentially a variant on the 6800

[round crown]

@short cedar the 3700x is good

[stable shuttle]

And be out of stock by black Friday lol

[spice prawn]

well, here is a "fun" thing to think about

[round crown]

Im waiting to see if 6800xt is better than 3080

[short cedar]

my 980GTX is my Graphics card I wanna upgrade

but I have a 3700 x cpu

[stable shuttle]

Im waiting to see if 6800xt is better than 3080
@round crown I think it will be at some things based on leaks

[spice prawn]

everyone should hope that the they (amd and nvidia) are neck and neck, because that will give customers the most choice

[round crown]

Mhm

[stable shuttle]

Maybe macs might finally be good

[spice prawn]

and will help people get the cards they actually want

[stable shuttle]

everyone should hope that the they (amd and nvidia) are neck and neck, because that will give customers the most choice
@spice prawn and at the cheapest prices

[spice prawn]

it wont be cheap

[round crown]

But if they give 3080 performance for 500 then i will be happy 🙂

[spice prawn]

none of it is cheap

[stable shuttle]

Nah but competition makes it cheaper

[spice prawn]

500 usd is not cheap for a card

[stable shuttle]

The 2060 is a great example of that

It'll be cheaper than 2015 Intel were making stuff

[spice prawn]

its a 300msrp that has averaged about 350-400+ since its launch

[stable shuttle]

They can't just charge whatever they want

[round crown]

Well 500 for 3080 perf is good

[stable shuttle]

For a 3080?

Swear the 3070 is 500,no?

[round crown]

If amd can manage that

[spice prawn]

you are getting your values mixed up @round crown

[round crown]

Ah right

[stable shuttle]

its a 300msrp that has averaged about 350-400+ since its launch
@spice prawn huh, where I am prices started at 320 and dropped to 280 when amd released the 5700 lineup

I think

[spice prawn]

just pure speculation here: IF amd has a card that is faster than nvidia, dont expect amd cards to be lower priced

that would just be silly imo

[round crown]

Well rumors say that amd will have 2.4ghz clock speeds

[spice prawn]

and?

[stable shuttle]

Hm idk

I think amd are willing to drop prices

Clock speed isn't everything

[spice prawn]

i have a 2,4 P4 you can have if you think that is important in and off itself :)

[round crown]

Yea but just sayin one thing

[stable shuttle]

I'm still annoyed nvidia aren't running a 20GB 3080

I was gonna get one

[spice prawn]

@stable shuttle that particular rumour started and died from the same source

[round crown]

Mhmm

[stable shuttle]

Oh has it died?

Well I still want one in that case

[spice prawn]

there was a rumour about the 20 gig cards

then ... last week or so

a rumour about them being cancelled

both started with the same leaker

[stable shuttle]

Hm

Well I want one if they're gonna exist bc I rly cba to get a 3090

I could just about afford one, but my cpu can't get even close to keeping up with it

[fathom bear]

There was another rumor today about gimped 3080s

3070 TI or something or other with the same VRAM as a 3080

[spice prawn]

unless you specifically NEED the vram on the 3090, i honestly dont see the point from a consumer POV

[stable shuttle]

Well I kinda just wanna say I have one tbh

[spice prawn]

@fathom bear oh there are PLENTY of rumours right now

[fathom bear]

Aren't there? lol

As far as I know the whole 3080 is a rumor

[spice prawn]

and a lot of them are all kinds of silly

[stable shuttle]

I think between needing to shell out for a new psu and cpu, I'm not gonna be able to go past a 3080

[fathom bear]

Never seen such a thing

[spice prawn]

https://www.proshop.de/RTX-30series-overview

have a read of that

[fathom bear]

Oh boy

[spice prawn]

they are a big retailer here in EU

[stable shuttle]

Never heard of them

[fathom bear]

That doesn't look good for 3070

[spice prawn]

its fine

[stable shuttle]

I wish we had newegg and microcenter here

[spice prawn]

re: 3070: remember, launch is a couple of days away

[fathom bear]

Microcenter is the best

[spice prawn]

that is an eternity in logistics

[tribal lichen]

Idk if I have micro center here

[stable shuttle]

What country?

I'm pretty sure microcenter is America only

[spice prawn]

it is

[stable shuttle]

That sucks for me lol

What level of cpu would I need for a 3080 anyway

[fathom bear]

So they've ordered 4630 3070s

[tribal lichen]

I’m in pa but I have no clue where David’s town is

[fathom bear]

And they ordered 9005 3080s

[tribal lichen]

Idk

[fathom bear]

They've only received 740 cards total

That's actually hilarious

[stable shuttle]

Bro what

That's funny

They're gonna run out in 30 mins

[fathom bear]

I mean keep in mind

Current 3080 orders are higher than "launch" orders

[stable shuttle]

Still

The 3070 launch gonna flop with only 4.6k carda

[fathom bear]

No, this is one retailer who ordered 4600 cards

[spice prawn]

read the actual link @stable shuttle

[stable shuttle]

Ah I see

Okay myb

So Asus has ordered quite a few?

[spice prawn]

read again :)

there is a legend at the top that explains what it all means :)

[stable shuttle]

I don't rly understand what it's saying tbh

I read it

And still don't understand

[fathom bear]

It's basically like telling you how much stock a retailer like newegg has

[fathom bear]

Versus how much they've ordered from Nvidia

[spice prawn]

both of those cards, they have ordered 2000 of each model (4000 total)

they have received a grand total of 108

[stable shuttle]

Ohh I see

OK im stupid

[spice prawn]

but, there is another 107 confirmed to be "on the way"

meaning, they are in the logistic chain somewhere

[fathom bear]

I think it's interesting they're selling cards they don't have

[spice prawn]

its what people wanted

[stable shuttle]

Eh, why not sell what u don't have

[spice prawn]

note what they say at the absolute top of the page

people wanted/demanded/whined about not being able to preorder

[fathom bear]

I'm not saying it's bad, just interesting

[spice prawn]

aye

[fathom bear]

I think most people are OK with waiting for a while

[spice prawn]

and its tied very very closely to why boycotts of companies never work

just wave something "shiny" enough in front of gamers and they will ignore anything

[stable shuttle]

True

[fathom bear]

Pretty much lol

[stable shuttle]

I love the "gaming" hdmi cables

That just have a small strip light in them

[fathom bear]

Have you seen Razer's credit card? 😄

[stable shuttle]

Yeaaa

😂

I actually quite like razer as a company, and their products are decent

[lone pond]

anyone know what time the 3070 will be available on the bestbuy website? Like would it be available midnight of the 28th or a certain time on the 29th?

[stable shuttle]

3 days I believe

[fathom bear]

It was 9 pacific time last time

Don't go by that though

[lone pond]

Do you guys know how a 3070 would function with an AMD 5600x gpu?

Like would it bottleneck?

[fathom bear]

Everything bottlenecks

What resolution? Settings? FPS?

[lone pond]

id go for like a 1080-1440p, medium settings and fps like 60 or 120

[fervent obsidian]

you'll be fine

[lone pond]

Nice. thank you.

[fathom bear]

Don't buy a 3070 for 1080p @lone pond

1440p at medium settings at 120hz is more like a 5700XT

Maybe even less

[short cedar]

anyone know where the 3070s will be sold at?

[lone pond]

i know of the nvidia site

thats about it

Another question. What settings would the 3070 be used for?

[fathom bear]

High or max on 4k or 3440x1440

[fervent obsidian]

i'm using 3070 for 1440p

[fathom bear]

Not to say you can't use it for max on 1440p, it's a good future proof card

[fervent obsidian]

you can use it for 1080p too if you really want

[fathom bear]

Or it should be, no reviews yet lol

Why you would spend $500 on a gpu and play on a $100 monitor is beyond me

[spice prawn]

Please wait for actual reviews before you decide how a card performs

[fathom bear]

Everything above is notional of course. Assuming uncle jensen is playing nice.

[scarlet haven]

im planning on buying an rtx 30 series or 20 series gpu but i only have an i5-8400. I know this cpu will bottle neck my system. any recommendations on a processor thats not super expensive. im ok with my gpu being bottlenecked but not too bottlenecked i currently have a gtx geforce 1060

[dreamy dragon]

mason!#7499 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[arctic phoenix]

the 9700k at microcenter if u can

[dense flicker]

^

assuming it works in your motherboard

[fathom bear]

It should

[stone raft]

If nvidia comes out with another card between the 3080 and 3070, without giving us more 3080. They can go fudge themselves

[fathom bear]

You don't have to buy it

[clear frigate]

im just excited to see amds announcement and see if they deliver

[worn sigil]

I'm chilling in the back with Vega 11 graphics (R5-3400G). Not spectacular but quad core w/ igpu for only ~$150 is quite a bargain in my eyes.

Feels like a beast compared to my old Intel HD 4400.

[low niche]

So I have a 1050ti and I would like better preformance so I broke it in half so I could get double the preformance so now a have the 2100 series gpu

[hidden crater]

Trueeeeeeeeee

If i do that with my 1660 super then would i get a 30 series one

[stable hawk]

If you split it into 4 pieces you can get 4000 series early

[hidden crater]

YOOOO

[low niche]

Ok thanks 🙏 hope all goes well

[hidden crater]

hold on lemme try

[dreamy dragon]

slimvibes#5137 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hidden crater]

My pc wont turn on

im on my phone now

uh

this is not good

[stable hawk]

I heard if It goes through the garbage disposal it will work again

[sage crown]

Can you put any cpu in any pc?

[hidden crater]

well can you put a pc in a cpu

[sage crown]

What

[hidden crater]

exactly

[meager sparrow]

@sage crown well what kind of build are you going for?

[crisp ocean]

Im going to buy a 3070 GPU for 1920x1080 165 hz monitor for future proofing

[stone raft]

You don't have to buy it
@fathom bear no ****, sherlock

[restive grove]

Hiddy Ho

[faint wolf]

CAN ANYONE HELP ME what is the max screens you can hook up to a sli bridge

i have 6 30 inch screens i want to play call of duty on all 6

[viscid sable]

i think 4 but mb 8

[bleak tide]

hello i want to buy a graphic card under 150 dollars and play csgo above 100 fps any suggestions??

[wanton burrow]

whats a good graphics card for a decent pc like 400 or 500 bucks
@thorny hound RX 570

hello i want to buy a graphic card under 150 dollars and play csgo above 100 fps any suggestions??
@bleak tide Also the RX 570

[bleak tide]

is rx 550 4gb nice for csgo im poor so cant buy rx 570

[wanton burrow]

is rx 550 4gb nice for csgo im poor so cant buy rx 570
@bleak tide yeah

since the GTX 3060 and 70 came out will the 2070 and 2080 drop in price
@thorny hound if you buy them used, they will drop significantly in price, but not enough to fit in your build, plus even if you could, the rest of your components will bottleneck them pretty severely

because you're buying a top end gpu, but all your other parts, like your cpu will have to be old gen budget cpus

and they won't drop to that low

they'll drop to like 400-500

for a 2060?

a 3600

and if you want to upgrade to a higher 20 series or a 30 series

then the 3600 still won't bottleneck that much

unless you're aiming to get very high fps in 1080p

it's good but overkill for a 2060

a i5-10600k is a better match if you wanna go for intel

if you can get a 2070 super used, you could get a very good deal

overkill = one part is much too powerful for the other, in this case it's the cpu and gpu

is a 2070 and that cppu good together
@thorny hound yeah but amd has better value options if you wanna look at them

plus their new cpus are releasing in like a week

and intel's new cpus are releasing as well in like 2-3 months i think?

[neon lava]

does an i9 10900k pair better with an RTX 3080?

I read somewhere that a Ryzen 7 3700x is okay but that'll bottleneck the 3080

[wanton burrow]

if you're going with a 2070 super and a i7-10700k, then i would say to shoot for 650-750 watts with a 80+ gold certificate

does an i9 10900k pair better with an RTX 3080?
@neon lava yeah, but i would suggest waiting for amd 5000 to release because if you're paying that much for max gaming performance, their new cpus are RUMORED to be better in single core performance than intel = better gaming performance

[neon lava]

kk thanks

[fervent obsidian]

don't get a 2070s

wait for 3070

[wanton burrow]

i don't think he has enough money to buy one

[fervent obsidian]

3060 or whatever amd has then

[wanton burrow]

i recommended him a 2070 super used for like 300-400

i guess then yeah

but if you can spend 500 on your gpu, get a 3070 @thorny hound

[fervent obsidian]

3070 will be 499

[wanton burrow]

2070 SUPER in a brand new condition are the same price currently

[fervent obsidian]

what cpu you got

[wanton burrow]

^

[fervent obsidian]

10700k?

[wanton burrow]

?

ok

do you need wifi on your motherboard

and im assuming you want it in an ATX size

ok

ok

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZJ2bt6/msi-mpg-z490-gaming-edge-wifi-atx-lga1200-motherboard-mpg-z490-gaming-edge-wifi can't go wrong with this one then

ah good choice of case

that's the one i'm going to build as well

[fervent obsidian]

what is the total overall budget

[wanton burrow]

just so you know, it can take up to EATX size

motherboards

[fervent obsidian]

1700 usd?

[wanton burrow]

but if you have a thick gpu at the bottom, it'll cover that up

[spice prawn]

eATX = non-sensical term. It matters bugger all @wanton burrow

[wanton burrow]

lmao

[fervent obsidian]

if you have a 1700 usd budget you should be getting a 3080

[wanton burrow]

^

[spice prawn]

it depends entirely on the actual measurement of the board and the case design

[fervent obsidian]

3080 is 699

[wanton burrow]

might wanna upgrade to 1800-1900 dollars if you want your build to be completely balanced with a 3080 i n

in

because you have to buy a lot of fans to fill up the o11 dynamic

[spice prawn]

different cases, from the same manufacturer can have different "eATX" sizes

[wanton burrow]

i see

[fervent obsidian]

the lian li case you want + fans is going to eat into your budget

[wanton burrow]

^

my budget has like 500 dollars just on ll20 fans lmao

360* my bad

360 dollarinos

[visual nexus]

HOW is ryzen 5 3500x and gtx 1660 super OC combo

[wanton burrow]

there's no 3500X?

are you talking about the 3600X?

[spice prawn]

@wanton burrow you might want to update your knowledge a bit :)

there is indeed a 3500x

[arctic phoenix]

not as common

[wanton burrow]

wtf

[spice prawn]

https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD-Ryzen 5 3500X.html

[wanton burrow]

there is?

WTF

[spice prawn]

its plenty common @arctic phoenix

just not in your region :)

[arctic phoenix]

true

also not often listed

[wanton burrow]

is it a laptop cpu?

[arctic phoenix]

in common websites

[spice prawn]

the US is just a small market in the grand scheme of things

[wanton burrow]

no right?

[spice prawn]

its a desktop cpu

see the link :)

[wanton burrow]

ok

i did

[spice prawn]

AM4 is not a laptop socket

[wanton burrow]

oh my god it is an actual thing

it's so rare that pcpartpicker doesn't even have a picture for it lmao

[spice prawn]

ofc it is

you are both missing the point

[wanton burrow]

that it exists?

[arctic phoenix]

we are limited

[spice prawn]

you are using a tool, that generally focuses on the US market (but has support for others) to check if something exists in OTHER markets

[arctic phoenix]

by region

[wanton burrow]

ahhhhhh

what's a tool that has EVERYTHING

lol

[arctic phoenix]

google

[wanton burrow]

ew

[spice prawn]

its like going to the local deli and asking them what is on the menu in copenhagen, denmark

[wanton burrow]

lmao

[spice prawn]

they sure as heck dont know

something like cpu-world is a decent start

but generally just reading things and having a good memory helps :)

[arctic phoenix]

i only know abt the korean/us market

so yea i didnt know abt it for a while

[wanton burrow]

okey dokie naed

ty

[spice prawn]

either of you aware of the 3700 (non X)?

[wanton burrow]

yeah

[spice prawn]

oh?

[arctic phoenix]

is it common in prebuilts?

i havent seen it elsewhere

[spice prawn]

its for the biz machines

[wanton burrow]

the 3500x or the 3700?

[arctic phoenix]

3700

[spice prawn]

its in the Pro family

https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD-Ryzen 7 PRO 3700.html

[arctic phoenix]

the prebuilts are strange

[spice prawn]

be thankful its not as strange as it used to be

[wanton burrow]

^\

[spice prawn]

now that the "new chip" refresh time has gone down a LOT

compared to say the early/mid 00's

its much simpler

but yes, generally, there are a LOT of cpu sku's that you dont ever actually hear about

and then please multiply that number by a LOT for the GPU's :)

oem's can get very silly with that

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/WikiChip <- here is another good source of info for both of you (if you are interested that is)

that last one is VERY much like TVtropes for people like me :)

[arctic phoenix]

yeah i dont really remember too much because i dont interact with those often

[spice prawn]

because i can easily loose hours just browsing around reading about things there

[arctic phoenix]

woah

m.2 chip?

first time i ever saw that

[merry rune]

re: the 3500X discussion, GN did a video about it a few months ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n57N1T3haWk

[marsh charm]

The ASUS 3080 and EVGA 3080s all have the same listed wattage but the ASUS one recommends an 850W PSU but EVGA recommends a 750W. Would a 750W PSU work with the ASUS one

[shell mesa]

use a wattage calculator and it is good practice to leave some headroom

[sage crown]

Just heard my processor cannot be upgraded 😢😞

[shell mesa]

R.I.P

[fathom bear]

3070 reviews are up

[wanton burrow]

Actually?

[fathom bear]

Yup

[wanton burrow]

no way

[fathom bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXhTSKjAX3k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbZDERlshbQ

[shell mesa]

i just found an rtx 2080ti for 450 dollars on craigslist i can afford it and i would be bottlenecked by my core i3 but i might get it and i think that i might be scammed so i am going here for advice

[wanton burrow]

it's craiglist

but then people are selling their gpus for that less now

[shell mesa]

yeah that is true

[crisp ocean]

If its worse than the 3070, you gotta sell it below 3070 price

[wanton burrow]

yeah but we don't know if its a scam

[crisp ocean]

Well we probably won't know, just logically nobody would buy it for more than 500

[shell mesa]

yeah

there is that

[wanton burrow]

mhmm

can you refund it?

or no

[shell mesa]

i need to see there is another problem and that is that i use a core i3 and it would be one of the biggest bootlenecks you could think of

[wanton burrow]

mhmm

[crisp ocean]

what i3

[wanton burrow]

but then you can buy a cpu as well later down the road

[shell mesa]

10100 but during the holidays i am going to upgrade to the i5 1500 or the i7 10700

[crisp ocean]

your i3 is fine lol

[marsh charm]

What's the difference between the ASUS and EVGA 3080s because ASUS recommends a 850 W PSU and EVGA recommends 750 but they have the same wattage

[wanton burrow]

lmao it isn't

it's definitely going to bottleneck

[crisp ocean]

Asus might have a bigger power draw or bigger power spikes

Everything bottlenecks somewhere, but this isnt a significant one

[wanton burrow]

nah i would say that is a relatively significant bottleneck

a 10700k or a 10600k wouldn't bottleneck at all

unless you're pushing for high fps on 1080p

and i mean super high fps on 1080p

but you could also just wait a while and get the 3070 for like 60 dollars more

[crisp ocean]

How would it bottleneck?

[shell mesa]

they would both bootleneck

[elfin barn]

which brand would be the budget option for the 3070?

[crisp ocean]

Founders edition will be the cheapest, prices arent confirmed for most 3070 models

[fathom bear]

Asus TUF is usually cheap too

[wanton burrow]

^

[crisp ocean]

For the 3070 most aftermarket cards wont have too much of a price increase

[fathom bear]

That's the hope. There will definitely be some with the price of a 3080 FE

[short cedar]

Is there a place you can reserve or buy an Asus card?

[slow fractal]

Asus TUF is usually cheap too
@fathom bear Asus/ Zotac is a good brand in my opinion

[crisp ocean]

Im going for an MSI, shouldnt be more than 50 hopefully

[wanton burrow]

mhmm

[elfin barn]

how are palit gpus usually?

[short cedar]

Where do you guys buy it tho?

[crisp ocean]

Never even heard of em, in a quick glance they look like they care more about RGB

they claim their gpu makes 0 dB of sound

[fathom bear]

Technically everything makes 0 dB of sound

If you're far enough away

😄

[crisp ocean]

imo this much rgb doesnt look good

[fathom bear]

That looks like a tie dye shirt

[crisp ocean]

and Technically every gpu is good enough if you play solitare

[fathom bear]

Gross

[crisp ocean]

I know

without RGB looks uch cooler

[arctic phoenix]

trident z royal gpu

[fathom bear]

Looks like 3070 will be perfect for 3440x1440

https://wccftech.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-8gb-founders-edition-graphics-card-review/10/

Targeting 100fps

[wooden drift]

Would a 1000$ build suit a rtx 2060

[fathom bear]

@wooden drift You should aim between $300-500. 2060 would work. Do you have a monitor already?

[wooden drift]

Not yet

I don’t want to pass over 1600 on everything

[fathom bear]

2060 would be a very good 1080p card or a decent 1440p card.

[wooden drift]

Let me send you the link

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6WZtgt

[fathom bear]

That's a lot of money for rgb lol

[wooden drift]

I feel like i did good

Lol

[crisp ocean]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BpYV68 not bad, heres my build for 1.5k just take out windows. Im planning on building this in december. the GPU is set to a custom price for a 3070 and the 3600x will be 5600x

[fathom bear]

I personally wouldn't spend $200 on kb/m but that's a preference I suppose

[wooden drift]

Looks good

You can find windows for like 18$

[wicked wave]

can anyone tell me if this is good for me to buy

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RTgRJf

[fathom bear]

I'd trade that monitor for 1440p 144hz

[wooden drift]

And the gpu for a 3080

[fathom bear]

Mhm

[wooden drift]

Don’t they cost 700

[fathom bear]

If you can find them

[wooden drift]

I can see why he is choosing a 2070 super just in case he can’t get his hands on a 3080

@wicked wave do you plan to stream or edit

[fathom bear]

Also buy a 9700k from microcenter if you have one near you over the 3600

Same price

[wooden drift]

You might also need to change your motherboard

[slow fractal]

Which is better 1070 vs 1660Ti?

[rich oasis]

@wicked wave frankly that list is very bad

[fathom bear]

Here we go again....

[rich oasis]

230$on a aio

More than the cpu

Overpriced ssd

[fathom bear]

I already said that was a lot of money for rgb 😛

[rich oasis]

Windows is 4 dollars on ebay

The aio isnt even rgb

[fathom bear]

The part that connects to the cpu is

[rich oasis]

Case and ram also overpriced

[slow fractal]

Question have any of you have under go a international transaction

I don't wanna get scammed by the buyer?

[lone pond]

3070 for 1440p or still 3080?

[fathom bear]

Whichever one you can get your hands on imo

[lone pond]

Lol

[green harness]

Based on the reviews I've seen it looks like the 3070 is quite good for 1440p and the 3080 is more worthwhile at 4K, but ymmv and I'd recommend checking out reviews

If you have specific games you are aiming to play at a specific res/refresh combo you should see if anyone has benchmarked them

[fathom bear]

Has anyone talked about the VRAM limitations?

Of the 3070

[shell mesa]

i think that the only stuff that i have heard of is that the 8gs is the biggest difference between it and the 2080ti

[wispy pike]

3070 seems to be basically same perfomance as 2080 but for $500

[shell mesa]

It is the same performance as a the 2080 ti

that is the weirdest part in my opinion

[fathom bear]

It gets crushed by 2080ti in benchmarks

But in games it seems to be pretty much the same

[dusk oasis]

3070 and i5 10600K will have bottleneck ???

if yes what cpu do you recommend

[wanton burrow]

for i7 10700k

wait for amd ryzen 5000

if they're good and do well in single core performance

those are also viable

[dusk oasis]

thanks

[brave brook]

Does anyone know where to contact Newegg because I ordered a 2060 it says it arrived but it hasn’t

[fathom bear]

Customer service in the top right

[burnt zodiac]

Whats the best 3080s between these two? Asus TUF or MSI Trio not ventus.

[round crown]

Not much difference look at specs

[dusk oasis]

someone knows what would be the price of the MSI trio 3070 on newegg?

i don’t want to spend more than 590

[agile parrot]

you will be

[spice prawn]

2 days for the reviews on partner cards

[agile parrot]

with shipping and taxes itll be over 590

thats if the gaming x is 550 which i think it will be

[dusk oasis]

and what 3070 i can buy that’s less than 590 on newegg??

[agile parrot]

maybe the ventus msi one

any card that costs 500 and none of the more premium ones that are extra

who knows maybe you can score an FE card from Best Buy, i was lucky enough to

[fathom bear]

Apparently micro center will be selling 3070 FE as well

[spice prawn]

aye

both best buy and micro center are confirmed for FE sales

[agile parrot]

thats sweet

gl to anyone trying to get a card

im glad the refresh hunting days are over i can relax with my 3080 until the amd cpus launch

[spice prawn]

mmmmm mmmm

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-founders-edition/images/front.jpg

that is a sweet sweet size for a pcb

[arctic phoenix]

thats itx levels of pcb

the gigabyte 2070 super single fan one

that every youtuber uses in their compact build

[runic coyote]

I got a question which one would you guys choose MSI Geforce GTX 1660ti or a msi-radeon-rx-5600-xt?

[arctic phoenix]

not msi

[spice prawn]

5600xt is the more powerful one of the two.

but it depends on what you are doing

[arctic phoenix]

but then again, that wasnt the question

but still not msi

[runic coyote]

wdym by "not msi" sry im kinda new to this "building a pc" thing

[arctic phoenix]

msi bad company

[runic coyote]

ahh

[arctic phoenix]

not always in terms of features

but in terms of ethics

just n

o

[tiny ravine]

Well that hurts that I only have an msi rx 580 ; (

[runic coyote]

lol

[arctic phoenix]

yeah i just wouldn't buy any new parts from them

even if its a 3080 in stock

[runic coyote]

so forgetting about "msi" the radeon 560xt would be the most prefferable one?

[arctic phoenix]

yes, in terms of pure gaming

and fps

[runic coyote]

alr thanks

another question which is better NVIDIA or AMD for graphics cards in general?

[fathom bear]

That's a loaded question

[spice prawn]

@runic coyote whats better: wet or wet?

[runic coyote]

shii

thats a hella complex question

[spice prawn]

yes

so is yours :)

and no, i am not trolling you.

but its very much a question of: do you require specific feature X then select company Y

etc etc

but, a lot of those questions will be upended tomorrow with the press release for the new AMD cards

[fathom bear]

Seriously where are all the aftermarket cards

Nvidia up to some sneaky business

[eternal locust]

What's the best value graphics card on the market rn

[short cedar]

3080 RTX @eternal locust if you only bought it on the day 1 price

which are only botters and scalpers

and a handful of people with 99 LUK stat

I think the 3070 is pretty good

looking at least

again if you can get it the day1 price

[eternal locust]

I originally wanted a 3070 but I know it's gonna be almost impossible to secure so I'm considering other options

[short cedar]

I think its really important that actual humans buy a 3070

[eternal locust]

I don't want to wait till next year to get a gpu

[short cedar]

because botters getting the GPUs means that the cost of all cards go up

not just the 30 series but the 20 series too

[eternal locust]

And I'm also concerned with price to performance ratio

[fathom bear]

Any advice for grabbing one? Was anyone on here able to get a 3080?

3070 or 3080 are the only good price/performance cards rn

[short cedar]

i think most people who got one bought it off of ebay

[eternal locust]

They def overpaid

[short cedar]

or knew a friend of a friend of a friend

[fathom bear]

Yeah that's not happening. I'll wait until 2021 before I buy at double msrp

[short cedar]

^

my friend said dont buy a 3070 just buy a 3080

[eternal locust]

Thoughts on a 5700XT?

[fathom bear]

Or hell I'll buy AMD's card

With my Gsync monitor lol

[short cedar]

I'm definitely thinking about AMD

[eternal locust]

So are the 6000 series being released tmrw or is that just the announcement for them?

I'd be curious of the prices for those

Apparently the 6700XT is a 6gb gddr6 card which seems kinda low expected 8 gb for the entry level one

[short cedar]

annoucnement

[spice prawn]

@fathom bear

2 days

partner card reviews have embargo date then

[eternal locust]

Thoughts on 6000 series release being this fall or pushed to the winter?

[short cedar]

I 100% think this is a strat to increase Nvidia's Stock prices

it's the "Cartmanland Strategy"

[fathom bear]

That sounds like a plan to review bomb amd actually

[short cedar]

Hype it up but you can't buy it

increasing demand

[spice prawn]

time will tell

[fathom bear]

If 3070 gets all the press, demand goes up

[spice prawn]

it all depends on what AMD shows tomorrow

but this (the reivews, and moving of dates etc) is nothing new in this game

[eternal locust]

I hope it puts pressure on nvidia

[fathom bear]

Yeah. I wouldn’t get your hopes up

[short cedar]

real talk though considering the MSI thing recently ( I think it was MSI) it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of scalpers are actually the original sellers

I mean as a business owner why would I sell a product at 850 if I can sell it at 1500

[fathom bear]

Most eBay sellers new to eBay p

[spice prawn]

i have said this before: But i find it interesting that nvidia saw the need to release 2 cards that a pushed way beyond the sweet spot on the voltages, with horrible inventory levels

[eternal locust]

That'd be pretty scummy @short cedar lol

[fathom bear]

Which tells me it’s someone who works at the retailer who’s selling scalped cards

[short cedar]

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-accused-of-selling-geforce-rtx-3080-on-ebay-at-much-higher-price-releases-a-statement

[spice prawn]

@short cedar the "MSI" thing you are talking about was mainly a bunch of youtubers being bored

that is my take on it

[short cedar]

the Starlit thing didnt happen?

[spice prawn]

read

its nothing new

and in the grand scheme of things. it was such a minor thing that it does not matter one bit

IF you want to be "mad" about something, have a chat with Nvidia about their paper launch :)

[fathom bear]

2070 supers are being scalped, but there’s no one reporting on that

[spice prawn]

or their wonky driver

again

not enough clicks in it

[fathom bear]

Yup

[spice prawn]

or not enough youtubers that are bored

[short cedar]

personally I'm not mad about anything, I'm just hype for amd

[spice prawn]

@short cedar i have been in this industry for enough decades that this is nothing new

hence why i can seem that i dont "care"

[short cedar]

I think the best thing you can do in general is to assume that things are unfair

and react accordingly

[spice prawn]

i do. but i am also realistic enough to know that people are fairly brain dead at the best of times

add in the "want" of something "shiny" and whatever brain cells that are working? those jump overboard very quickly

and none of that is aimed at you. its a comment on the general community at large

[short cedar]

As a personal rule, I dont take anything personally.

[spice prawn]

:)

[spice prawn]

bloody effing heck! GN!!!

could you please go back to actually sticking to technical details

[fathom bear]

Yeah I was very disappointed with GN this round

No mention of VRAM bottlenecks anywhere, which was the biggest concern for the card

[stone raft]

hmmm evga is up to 9/16 1:36pm for their 3080 cards...I think that took 2 weeks from 6am on 9/16 to 1:36

[stable shuttle]

could you please go back to actually sticking to technical details
@spice prawn fully, thats why i watch gn

[dusk oasis]

i’ll try to get a 3070 it is better getting it on newegg or best buy ?

[stone raft]

probably best buy...

[naive moss]

Any 3080 or 3090 cards expected this week?

[proper jungle]

So is nvidia releasing cards on their website?

[spice prawn]

no

best buy and micro center in the US

heck knows where for the rest of the world

[short cedar]

I dont see it on the Microcenter website

do you have to make a pilgrimage?

[fathom bear]

Yes

Microcenter is usually in-store only

[short cedar]

on a Thursday?

[fathom bear]

Yes....

If you're not already in line, don't bother 😛

[short cedar]

lol I gotta be inline right now huh

[fathom bear]

People lined up for 3 days for 3090

[short cedar]

this is a damn shame

[fathom bear]

I suggest trying the best buy app

[short cedar]

can you reserve it on best buy

or is it a free for all

[fathom bear]

It's a free for all, but at least you can try online

[spice prawn]

voice your opinion about it to nvidia

[short cedar]

what a disaster

[fathom bear]

The last 3080 drop people were able to get it on the app easier than on the website

[spice prawn]

we can neither do anything about it or care about it

because this is 100% nvidias choice

[fathom bear]

At the end of the day, it's a conflict of interest. Nvidia wants money, and people want to play games.

[short cedar]

I think its a meeting of interests

generally

but I just dont think the advertised price is the price

I wonder if Best Buy will have captcha

or limit 1 per address

[chilly ridge]

k

[real tulip]

Does anyone know what time and what website the $499 3070 is dropping

[boreal steeple]

I am building a 900$ build and the gtx 1660 super sells for 260US$ at my place, do i wait for the events or go for it

[fathom bear]

Wait until black friday

[median bane]

Good thing I can't afford anything for awhile so I can wait for stuff to come back into stock lol

[clear frigate]

Is asus or msi not selling their cards on bestbuy I'm only showing fe evga and pny?

Or does anyone know where those will be sold

[keen kettle]

Whats the best 300$ and under gpu in yall opinion

[spice prawn]

available right now?

5600xt / 2060

ask again tomorrow and things might be different

[keen kettle]

yeah true

[humble hemlock]

anyone know what time the announcement will be?

[fervent obsidian]

12pm est for rx 6000 tomorrow

[humble hemlock]

damn ill be working

[fathom bear]

Anyone can explain the 1% lows here?

[spice prawn]

yes

magic

also known as drivers

or a potential quirk of the chip design

[fathom bear]

It was quite odd, because the the two adjacent charts (4k, 1080p) didn't have the same pattern

[spice prawn]

nothing odd about it

chips behave differently at different loads

[fleet basin]

hey}

do you guys recommend a 1650 super with a i3 9100f

[lavish rain]

@fleet basin hahah No

[spice prawn]

its a decent enough card for that cpu @fleet basin

[lavish rain]

@spice prawn Really?

[spice prawn]

yes

[frigid anvil]

If anyone can explain the GPU only using 37% and only like 3-4 CPU cores getting a load put on them that would be great.

It's a RTX 3090 Founders Edition and a 10980XE at stock with 64GB of RAM.

[glacial egret]

Well, what's your FPS?

[frigid anvil]

140ish

If a lot of mobs spawn it will drop down to 44ish

1440P monitor.

165Hz

[agile parrot]

what cpu do you havce

have*

@frigid anvil

[frigid anvil]

10980XE

[agile parrot]

its not a bottleneck thing then lol

[frigid anvil]

No way it could be with 18/36 lmao

[agile parrot]

i have found that my gpu also has utilization errors

like i feel its running 60% of what it can do

but that is a bottleneck on my end with the 3700x

but mines a 3080, you are having worse problems with the 3090

shot in the dark here, but try to undervolt it and see if the % is the same

hopefully its driver related

[wicked hound]

make sure the polling rate for the info is like 0.5s or smth, allows you to see utilization spike easier. Also, could be memory limited too - bandwidth or latency wise. That or engine

[misty shoal]

Should i get a 3070 or wait for 3060 Ti?

[lean flicker]

:|

[agile parrot]

I have done all that @wicked hound

But I know it is a bottleneck because I have a friend with a 10900k 3080 fe and he's getting well over 190fps in warzone

Everything is the same except mobo and cpu

[lean flicker]

Silicon lottery

Temp

Do u have multithreaded rendering on

[wicked idol]

What time is the 3070 gonna release?

[royal copper]

At a time in 2 day

Lol

[fathom bear]

Ok ok I finally found examples of VRAM limitations

It actually seems legit

https://youtu.be/UFAfOqTzc18?t=654

[agile parrot]

@lean flicker that's a fortnite only thing

[lean flicker]

ok

Still do it

[agile parrot]

I can't

Lol

It's only in fortnite

[lone pond]

Damn no memes channel

[brave brook]

My gpu fans arnt spinning can anyone help me?

[arctic phoenix]

zero fan?

[brave brook]

Like the fans won’t spin

And it gets warm

[rich oasis]

@brave brook does it crash when gaminf?

[brave brook]

I haven’t installed windows yet or anything but I will see tomorrow

[rich oasis]

Which card

[brave brook]

2060

[rich oasis]

Brand

And modle

[brave brook]

Evga

I don’t know which modle let me check

[rich oasis]

Evgas cards Have their fans set to off until load

[brave brook]

But it starts up at first when I boot up the pc then just stops

Oh

[rich oasis]

Idle should be round 60c

[stuck rivet]

guys, how to buy ?

[rich oasis]

You can change it in Msi after burner

@stuck rivet get off your ass and actually try

Its not hard

[brave brook]

Lol

[stuck rivet]

[lone pond]

Would anyone recommend a RTX 3070 and a Ryzen 5 3600 combo?

for gaming

[elfin barn]

Would anyone recommend a RTX 3070 and a Ryzen 5 3600 combo?
@lone pond i was literally about to ask this too

[halcyon python]

is the announcement today only on youtube again? my work blocks youtube smh

[tribal lichen]

@lone pond @elfin barn yes that is a good combo for gaming but if you wanna wait and spend a little more money the ryzen 5600x seems promising

[mellow sapphire]

im new with pc's, i have 16 gb of ram. What would be a good graphics card?

[dusk oasis]

@mellow sapphire what’s your cpu?

[eternal locust]

lol we buidling a PC based on how much Ram we have 🤓

more importantly what's your CPU, Power supply, and motherboard @mellow sapphire

[fathom bear]

FYI, not sure if this is helpful but it's worth a try

[chilly bison]

so guys

guess the 3070 comes out

tommorow

what time does it start

[fathom bear]

@chilly bison https://kb.newegg.com/knowledge-base/rtx-30-series-faq/?cm_sp=KB-_-INFOCARD-_-3070-_-kb_USA_rtx-_-1

[agile parrot]

anyone seeing the radeon thing

they have there own version of dlss and they are still using directx raytracing

[dreamy dragon]

squattingcast#1366 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[elfin barn]

$649 :0

[agile parrot]

the directx raytracing is trash it does nothing and isnt the same or close to the same as rtx

[stone raft]

Guess I will be F5ing hard on nov 18th

[elfin barn]

its more expensive than 3070 thoo

[agile parrot]

theyre comparing it to the 208ti tho

not the 3080

[high nimbus]

They compared the performance to 2080ti on that last graph and it wasn't even that impressive of a gap.

[elfin barn]

i mean 3070 and 2080ti is pretty similar

[atomic abyss]

3070 is a little under 2080

[agile parrot]

yeah still they have no answer for the 3090

[frigid loom]

there is any eta when the 3070 gonna be out tomorrow?

[high nimbus]

yes but where's their response to 3080/3090

[stone raft]

6900xt icic

[fathom bear]

@frigid loom Please scroll up

[agile parrot]

the response to the 3080 is the 5600xt or whatever the xt is

[frigid loom]

thanks, sorry @fathom bear

[agile parrot]

they all have 16gb

[elfin barn]

1k

yikes

[high nimbus]

lmao

[clear frigate]

5600xt? isnt that already out though?

[stone raft]

less than the 3090

1k aint bad

[agile parrot]

kind of wierd they are all 16gb

[elfin barn]

wasnt the 3090 like 1.5k

[high nimbus]

benchmarks gonna be interesting

[stone raft]

wasnt the 3090 like 1.5k
@elfin barn yes

[agile parrot]

its gonna be close but i still think nvidia has the better options

especially with rtx and dlss

[high nimbus]

if they don't have a card that is priced less than 3080 with similar performance most people are going to consider this a flop

[stone raft]

6800=2080 ti, 6800xt = 3080, 6900xt=3090

[elfin barn]

but the 3070 is 8gb right? does that make it significantly worse?

[fathom bear]

Yes in certain situations

[elfin barn]

what would it affect

[humble hemlock]

6800 xt $650

[clear frigate]

was about to ask that ty

[stone raft]

I'd get the 6800xt

[fathom bear]

https://youtu.be/UFAfOqTzc18?t=654
@fathom bear

[elfin barn]

tf GN released a vid alr

they gotta chill

[fathom bear]

Check out that benchmark

20 frames lost from VRAM limitations at 4k

Did they say how much 6800 would cost? I skimmed through it

[stone raft]

5 something

[fathom bear]

$579 oof

[humble hemlock]

550

[elfin barn]

580

[clear frigate]

at that price just go with the xt model no

[humble hemlock]

my fault 580

[stone raft]

for that...you are better off getting a 2080ti...if you can find one

[humble hemlock]

still has 16gb

[fathom bear]

Is it worth $80 for 8gb of VRAM

Hmmm

[humble hemlock]

depends on user 6800xt is a better deal

[fathom bear]

Agree. $650 just seems like a lot of money to just play games

[surreal marlin]

more like is it worth 80$ to say you have 16gb of vram lol

[high nimbus]

Is it worth $80 for 8gb of VRAM
@fathom bear not if it comes with notorious driver issues for that platform

[elfin barn]

hes got a point

[fathom bear]

I think I'm still gonna go for 3070

[surreal marlin]

same

[agile parrot]

yeah im still sticking team green

[elfin barn]

same yeah

[agile parrot]

no dlss and no rtx

[surreal marlin]

its sexier to lol

[stone raft]

That is one reason why I haven't touched radeon in years, the drivers...

[elfin barn]

just pray theres stock

[surreal marlin]

^

[high nimbus]

stock gonna go quick tomorrow

[fathom bear]

Agreed. Cards aren't even listed atm though

They're fighting bots by not giving them info

😄

[agile parrot]

yeah also they suck at driver updates

[high nimbus]

if there is no 3080 restocks today then expect them to drop both 3070 and 3080 tomorrow. Good idea? Maybe.

[surreal marlin]

i have an rx580 and dang im ready for an upgrade i play csgo om medium settings with 75fps max and that thing sounds like a dang plane flying over lol

[elfin barn]

how often do they restock or release a batch of gpus

the new ones at least

[clear frigate]

bestbuy has like 6 cards on there

I was wondering where to find the msi and asus cards

[agile parrot]

also gddr6 not x

how will that affect it

[humble hemlock]

i currently have a 2060 super FE, ill probably make the switch to give AMD a try lol ill be the guinea pig

[surreal marlin]

lol

[frigid loom]

a price already placed for the 3070 in newegg?
500$?

[surreal marlin]

if you sell that 2060 lmk

[quasi geyser]

@frigid loom MSRP?

[frigid loom]

ha?

[humble hemlock]

@surreal marlin will do

[surreal marlin]

thx

[frigid loom]

msrp?

oh yeah @quasi geyser

[marsh charm]

I wish their was a card in between $650 and $1000

There*

[quasi geyser]

I had the stream muted, how does the 6800 look compared to the 3070

Is the extra $80 worth it

[marsh charm]

They compared the 6800XT to the 2080TI

[elfin barn]

extra 8gb

[agile parrot]

yeah but the 3080 has shown that more isnt always better

[marsh charm]

No DLSS

[quasi geyser]

Yeah but if I'm just using it for gaming the 8 gigs doesn't matter

[rich oasis]

Dlls barely works

It eithers gives a decent perf increase

or it makes it do worse

[agile parrot]

its pretty amazing how it works on the 30 cards

idk what youre saying lol

[fathom bear]

Dlss works, but not very many games support it

[agile parrot]

yeah cause its still new

[quasi geyser]

I'll wait for the real benchmarks, but right now it looks like I'll stick with the 3070

[marsh charm]

It’s like Ray tracing; more and more games will slowly start to support it

[agile parrot]

radeon is using directx raytracing which is available in warzone rn

it does nothing like actual rtx

and with cold war being an rtx title itll help nvidia sales

[marsh charm]

I’m planning to only use Ray tracing on my 3080 on open world games and stuff like that

[stone raft]

They compared the 6800XT to the 2080TI
@marsh charm no they didnt

[fathom bear]

That definitely is 3080

[stone raft]

^

[supple holly]

6800 to the 2080ti....

[fathom bear]

6800 is meant to compete with 3070

[quasi geyser]

Anyone have the 6800 graph?

[supple holly]

That’s what I’m saying to back you up lmao

[stone raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haAPtu06eYI

[rich oasis]

the 6800 is better

[quasi geyser]

Thx

[dull orchid]

okay so when looking for ray tracing which is going be "better"?

[supple holly]

6800 and Smart Mem Access

[quasi geyser]

If you wanna get a ryzen 5000

[dull orchid]

wym

like the 5000 series cards?

[quasi geyser]

Smart mem Access requires a Ryzen 5000 series cpu

[supple holly]

NVidia is still going to be king as far as RT performance

[quasi geyser]

So that's the 3800 compared to the 2080ti
And based on the new benchmarks, the 3070 crushes the 2080 ti

So...

[fathom bear]

No

[quasi geyser]

No?

[supple holly]

I’ve seen benches where the 3070 was only -3% to 4% over 2080ti

[fathom bear]

3070 meets or performs worse than 2080ti in benches

[quasi geyser]

Oh wait I was looking at the graph wrong lmao

Sorry

[languid knot]

No? The 3070 is the same as the 2080 ti mostly and has much better RT performance.....

[quasi geyser]

Framerate wise they're pretty much equal

[languid knot]

Yes, other than RT

[fathom bear]

Unless you max out the vram

Then 2080ti wins hands down

[supple holly]

6800XT wasn’t tested with the Smart Memory and Rage mode since they did include it for the 6800

[languid knot]

But that’s such a limited win and for 3x as much MSRP it does not win

[quasi geyser]

So right now it looks like the 3800 isn't gonna beat the 3070

[fathom bear]

I’m not advocating buying a 2080ti

But it is a better card

[quasi geyser]

No RTX
And that graph used smart mem access

[supple holly]

6800 is going to be a 3070 competitor with smart memory

[quasi geyser]

That aside, it can't compete

[languid knot]

Better is subjective tho. I get what you mean but price to performance the 3070 is better. The only thing the 3070 is worse than the 2080 ti in is Vram but for most people that won’t be a factor

[fathom bear]

I’m not buying a new processor so 3070 it is

[eternal locust]

I think the 6800XT is more comparable to the 3080 not the 3070 yall cappin

[quasi geyser]

I was gonna buy a 3700x for my new build

[fathom bear]

I agree, the difference is hardly there

[quasi geyser]

Not buying a 5000 series ryzen

So 3070 it is

[supple holly]

@eternal locust 6800 and 6800XT two different cards

[quasi geyser]

^

[eternal locust]

You'd be safer comparing a 6700 to a 3070

[languid knot]

The AMD cards seem good but I don’t know. Especially with how the drivers have struggled with newer amd cards and that they aren’t really beating Nvidia, just equaling them

[fathom bear]

Omg 😆

[quasi geyser]

6700?

???

[fathom bear]

They’re competitive though, so good for amd

[eternal locust]

yeah when they release the 6700

[quasi geyser]

Did I miss something or did they actually announce the 6700

[agile parrot]

they didnt

[twilit anchor]

it was 6800

thats comparable to 3070

[quasi geyser]

Well if the 6800 is neck in neck with the 3070, I don't have high hopes for the 6700

In that respect

[languid knot]

I don’t like the graph that doesn’t show nvidias frame rates compared to Amd tho.... seems like they’re hiding something

[quasi geyser]

^

[agile parrot]

they are hiding

[fathom bear]

It does

[quasi geyser]

Smart move would be to wait until the benchmarks come out

See for yourself

[twilit anchor]

the 3070 is cheaper than 6800 right?

[quasi geyser]

Yeah

[fathom bear]

Yes

[wispy pike]

Why would amd show a graph comparing two different mvidia cards?

[quasi geyser]

$80 cheaper

[agile parrot]

they are just showing a bar no numbers with actual fps

[eternal locust]

so yall tellin me they gonna charge more money for the 6800 and have it compete with the 3070?

[languid knot]

No, they clearly label the AMD frame rates but make you look at the key for Nvidia frame rates

[quasi geyser]

@wispy pike Compare to the 2080ti and the 3070

[fathom bear]

It has 8gb more vram

[agile parrot]

thats not useful for gaming

[fathom bear]

It’s more “future proof” in that respect

[agile parrot]

and if you are producing then get a 3090

[twilit anchor]

can anyone explain what vram does i big noob

[quasi geyser]

Dedicated ram for the graphics card

[agile parrot]

because the 3090 is still unbeaten in that regard

[languid knot]

If the frame rate difference is 5 or so from Nvidia that’s basically a margin of error difference which would be why they don’t want to show it clearly

[agile parrot]

for the 3080 one like half the games beat the radeon card

[quasi geyser]

@twilit anchor For gaming, increasing VRAM is only useful up to a point. Video rendering would see more of a difference between 8 gigs and 16 gigs

[twilit anchor]

oh ok i see thnx

[languid knot]

Yeah they are basically all equal between both companies

[twilit anchor]

anyone have any tips for ordering the rtx 3070 succesfully tomorrow xd

[agile parrot]

yeah lets say fps is equal, nvidia still has rtx and dlss

[quasi geyser]

And this is per AMD's benchmarks

You're not gonna show bad stats at your own launch event

[agile parrot]

and gddr6x which can be more optimized with future games

[languid knot]

The price of the top card DOES beat the 3090, but a $50 difference between the 6800xt doesn’t make it better than the 3080 and they 6800 is $80 more than the 3070

[fathom bear]

3070 has gddr6

Not gddr6x

[languid knot]

Only the 3080 and 3090 have gddr6x

[agile parrot]

ah ok

[quasi geyser]

Still, specs only paint half the picture

[torpid wolf]

hmmm

[agile parrot]

thermals, drivers, and features are whats going to let nvidia win

[torpid wolf]

when do you think 6600 and 6700 will come out?

[quasi geyser]

At this point it's hard to tell

[languid knot]

AMD cards are a much better choice than the last AMD cards were but they aren’t any better or worse. This gen is down to personal preference

[fathom bear]

Agree

[agile parrot]

im pretty sure there will be less stock too because amd is focusing on the 5000 series cpu

as well

[quasi geyser]

Personally, based on what we know now, I would stick with the 3070 if you're torn between the 3070 and the 6800

[agile parrot]

based on what we know its basically even

[fathom bear]

Especially if you don't have a 4k monitor

[languid knot]

An all amd system would be awesome with the 6900 ngl. The 3090 doesn’t seem like a great value now

[fathom bear]

If you have a 4k monitor, I would maybe not buy 3070

[agile parrot]

well the 3090 isnt a gaming card

[quasi geyser]

If you actually need a 3090 I don't think value is an issue

[languid knot]

No it’s not, but Nvidia tried to sell it as if it was

[agile parrot]

yes but its more for things like production stuff

especially having 8 more gb

but yeah people who buy 3090 money isnt the issue they just want the best

[languid knot]

Yes it is. That’s why I’m confused by their marketing for it. But I guess they saw something I didn’t and they know their market

[quasi geyser]

I just think AMD's hiding something, like someone said before
They were very specific in the stats they wanted to show off

[agile parrot]

yeah they didnt show thermals and how it would be with intel cpus

because you need the 5000 series to have that one feature

[fathom bear]

Did they switch games between charts?

[agile parrot]

they had set games

[languid knot]

I don’t know if they’re hiding something, but if you show the stats of a competitors product Nvidia could try to prove them false and it could be a legal thing. Nvidia only had to compete with themselves so it wasn’t an issue

[plucky fossil]

Are there no listings for any 3070 cards on newegg currently?

[fathom bear]

They took them off

[plucky fossil]

Huh why