graphics-cards

[celest wave]

dont think you understand what obsolete means

[terse bloom]

Yragknad, we've been telling him that for the past while.

[languid knot]

But the real question is will AMD lose your support when the same happens to them? Or are you just not happy with Nvidia.

[celest wave]

plus nobody knows how good rdna 2 is

[restive grove]

I think you don't understand what obsolete means either

[celest wave]

outdated is the general definition

but

[terse bloom]

adjective
adjective: obsolete
1.
no longer produced or used; out of date.
"the disposal of old and obsolete machinery"

[restive grove]

RTX is a wish list product, since we can't purchase one without a bot service, they will be obsolete by the time you ever hope to recieve one

[celest wave]

people also use the word obsolete to refer to inferior products which isn't exactly right

[terse bloom]

And the fact is, your ORIGINAL statement, was CPU upgrades will make GPU obsolete

[celest wave]

lol

[languid knot]

30 series* not RTX....

[lone pond]

I'm hoping I can get one on the 9th

[celest wave]

aiming for vision?

[lone pond]

doubt it though

[green harness]

You think either AMD will blow the 30XX series out of the water so hard that nobody will buy nvidia GPUs, or 30XX series won't be available until a new generation of GPUs comes out in a couple years then?

That seems unlikely

[restive grove]

I suspect the new cpu's will bottleneck the rtx 3000 series

[languid knot]

No AMD will probably match the 30 series

[celest wave]

uh

[lone pond]

I mean so far with the spec leaks for amd, they look identical

if not a lil bit worse than* nvidia

[languid knot]

The new cpus will come no where near bottlenecking a 30 series.

[celest wave]

you think that amd's new processor are so powerful that they'll max out the current gpus

which is a good thing

[restive grove]

can't buy a 30 series, how would you know

[celest wave]

and you dont have the new processors so how would you know

[lone pond]

I mean anyone can buy them, if they're willing to buy it off of a scalper

[languid knot]

Do you not see reviews? That’s a pretty solid way of knowing

[celest wave]

or they signed real early for that evga notify

[languid knot]

Saying the new cpus will bottleneck the 30 series is like saying if you don’t have pcie4 in 2020 your pc won’t turn on. It’s just not true.

[terse bloom]

I'm still waiting for the answer, to how AMD 5000 series, 5900X, will NOT need a GPU, whatsoever, at all.

[celest wave]

i looked up when i signed for the evga notify its was the 26 rip me

want a founders anyway

[lone pond]

idk, if the other manufactures fix their issues I might go with them

[languid knot]

I’m doing step up. Just registered today so we will see how long it’ll be

[green harness]

CPU upgrades, as others have said, don't make GPUs obsolete

New GPUs make GPUs obsolete

[restive grove]

Nm, simple fact is the market will be saturated with new hardware and the RTX 30's line will be the very last product on the market if at all.

[terse bloom]

Unless those new products get scalped too.

[languid knot]

Again you haven’t explained why AMD won’t be either

[restive grove]

I kinda doubt it

[lone pond]

I mean did you hear what nvidia is doing with the 3070?

[languid knot]

Lol okay. Just cause you’re mad at I Nvidia

[lone pond]

they are hella overstocking

[terse bloom]

Doubt what? That something that happened, won't happen again? Or that it's still happening, even now?

[restive grove]

No I am more a less a realist, if it's the retail value resellers are after AMD products are a poor choice and are more likely to be stocked retail.

[lone pond]

I mean amd is gonna get scalped, all the hype around big navi is gonna make scalpers buy them up

[terse bloom]

That's not a realist, that's an optimist.

[lone pond]

^

[restive grove]

So yeah Micro Center, Best Buy, etc will have AMD cards and cpu's scalper free

[languid knot]

That makes no sense. There’s always a way to make a profit no matter the cost...

SCALPER FREE AMD CARDS

Oh wow

I really do hope you’re right.

[lone pond]

^

It's most likely going to get scalped though, there is a major hype around it

hype leads to miss information and scalpers

[restive grove]

In any case you've stated yourselves availability is 2021.

[terse bloom]

Best Buy? They're mostly doing online sales as it is. Why would they switch to retail stores? Unless you expect, 200,000 American Customers to all show up at a single warehouse from across the country.

[languid knot]

Yes. For both. That’s what we are saying is that you have a huge double standard. You are acting like Nvidia doesn’t want to sell any cards, while AMD will have zero issues with scalpers and bots.

[restive grove]

Sorry gaming time on my 3/4 completed pc

[terse bloom]

They have no reason to waste time and money, trying to do retail, when they can save both, by doing online sales.

I have a friend who works as a vendor, selling clothes, toys, etc at comic cons across the country. She doesn't care so long as she can move product. If someone else wants to buy from her, so that they can sell it at an unreasonable markup? Fine. Doesn't matter. Clearing out space and inventory means she makes money, and has the money to buy new or better stuff, so that she can sell instead.

[restive grove]

Actually I have even more fun watching old ToHo 60's Godzilla flicks

[terse bloom]

Which is exactly the same for companies like nvidia, amd, best buy, newegg, and all retailers. They're not gonna care if it goes to scalpers or consumers, as long as they make their sales, clear out their inventory, and get their money.

[languid knot]

I want someone to review the 3080 FTW3 so I know if that’s what I should go ahead and get

[wicked hound]

I suspect the new cpu's will bottleneck the rtx 3000 series
@restive grove
A 16c Zen2 CPU will bottleneck a 3090 in CPU blender render and a 3090 will bottleneck a 16c Zen2 CPU in GPU blender render (even when talking about Zen3, this statement will more then likely not change).
My point? Dont make blanket statements. Most likely talking about games - but there is still such a vast amount of variables to keep in mind. Such as game engine bottlenecks, resolution, graphic settings, monitor bottleneck (if FPS is 240fps+ then need 240Hz monitor), memory bottleneck (for example needing 4000MT/s CL16 memory which is out of reach for vast majority of people), etc

[upper holly]

[rigid crag]

Leaves the server lmao

[weary atlas]

FE or Asus for the 3080?

Also is the intel i7 9700k good for the 3080?

@wicked hound

@open crystal

Anybody?

[wicked hound]

I'd ideally go Asus TUF as for the standard consumer, that's one of the quietest cards. If you like custom cooling and high end OC then it's the number one cheap choce

[weary atlas]

So in games the Asus tuf would out rule the FE?

For overall performance?

[terse bloom]

I believe 9700k is good for the 3080

I believe I saw somewhere, that they said 6700k is minimum of what you'd need or want for 30 series

[weary atlas]

👍

[languid knot]

The 3080s are very similar as far as performance

[terse bloom]

Just remember, I said "believe" and belief is not always right.

[languid knot]

The FE will only run a bit hotter and maybe give you 5-10 frames more at Best since Nvidia picks the best chips for itself

[wicked hound]

show proof that FE is better binned, cuz last I checked that's false

[languid knot]

Idk if there is. Just from what I’ve seen in reviews that they perform slightly better occasionally. Could be MOE tho

[wicked hound]

so many other things can affect that.
Cooler design/fan curve (affecting temps), Target temp, Target Power, Power Limit, Voltage to Frequency graph

also, any perf that you see will be like 2 fps max iirc

[languid knot]

Yes. Like I said, just what I’ve seen. Not end all be all for sure

[weary atlas]

Do you think when the 3080’s come back in stock they will just be sold out the second there are back?

[languid knot]

I agree

[terse bloom]

Yes

[languid knot]

Do you think when the 3080’s come back in stock they will just be sold out the second there are back?
@weary atlas maybe. I’ve heard it’s improved but still not more than 1-3 minutes

[wicked hound]

As for what CPU is good enough, what resolution and monitor Hz you doing?

[terse bloom]

For one, there's still a high demand for them. Secondly, scalpers will want to take them, to make sure there's no where else consumers can go to, forcing consumers to buy from them, and not anywhere else.

[weary atlas]

I have a 90hrz but looking to upgrade in a couple months to at least a 144

[languid knot]

What res?

[weary atlas]

Umm give me a sec

I forgot let me look

[wicked hound]

well CPU can easily achieve 90 fps, even in lows iirc

[terse bloom]

Size and resolution.

Like, are you looking for a 24 inch, 27 inch, 32 inch? Do you want 1080p, 1440p (2K), or 4K resolution?

[weary atlas]

The monitor I have right now is 1920x1080

[languid knot]

I wouldn’t recommend a 3080 for 1080p. You can obviously spend money the way you’d like, but you wouldn’t be getting everything you can from it

[wicked hound]

If you have a 9700k and 3080, you should have a QHD@144Hz

for gaming

[weary atlas]

Ok

[wicked hound]

otherwise you're limited by the monitor for your experience

[terse bloom]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-27-ultragear-uhd-nano-ips-1ms-144hz-g-sync-compatible-gaming-monitor-with-hdr-black/6423550.p?skuId=6423550

In no way am I telling you to buy this

[weary atlas]

Will the cpu I have bottleneck the graphics card

[terse bloom]

But my friend is looking to get this for his PC. 10850k with 3080

[weary atlas]

Wow I don’t want to spend 800 on a monitor

Maybe 300 max

[terse bloom]

And yes. He does have a 3080. Already installed in his PC. MSI Ventus OC model. From Best Buy. Managed to make the order on release day.

[weary atlas]

Alright guys ima head out watch some youtube bye nice talking to you

[restive grove]

@wicked hound You do realize I vacated the channel and hour or so ago.

[wicked hound]

You do realize that you made a blanket statement that shouldn't have been made

[restive grove]

And you are the God of PC technology I suppose

[wicked hound]

nope

[restive grove]

Point taken

Now back to what I was doing minus your observations

[wicked hound]

you do you, but again, spreading what is effectively misinformation is bad

[limpid latch]

asus tuf best price to performance and 117% power slider

they said like 370watt for card, fe is 320

cant wait to get ek waterblock

[lone pond]

you do you, but again, spreading what is effectively misinformation is bad
@wicked hound
Sorry I'm just trying to learn here
What did he say that was wrong?

[spice prawn]

@lone pond its the habit he has of making sweeping statements

which leave people that are trying to learn with a very skewed view on what is actually what

and he has shown zero understanding of the impact that can have on the general talk

[ancient crystal]

i already found a game i can't max out on hte RX 5600 XT

Horizon: Zero Dawn, though I hear it's poorly optimized

i have to go one setting down from max and adjust it slightly (the AA usage and stuff)

[lone pond]

Ok I was just trying to understand what Hei was saying

A 16c Zen2 CPU will bottleneck a 3090 in CPU blender render and a 3090 will bottleneck a 16c Zen2 CPU in GPU blender render

Why would a fast gpu bottleneck a cpu in a GPU renderer? Doesn't it only need the gpu?

[spice prawn]

example:

can the GPU feed itself with data from the storage?

can the GPU understand the input from the keyboard?

[ancient crystal]

on ultra it runs at a good framerate but stuff pops in a lot which indicates some issues with the game engine, given how good performance is vs the pop-in - it might be demanding 8GB vs my 6GB

[lone pond]

Can it? Idk

[spice prawn]

the "problem/challenge" @lone pond is that you need to keep the GPU full/feed

a GPU alone is a fairly "dumb" piece of silicon

it cannot do anything by itself

it needs "something" (in this case, a cpu with attached storage etc) to start working on things

and it needs that same "something" to keep on feeding it work

[ancient crystal]

i would like a 16c Zen2 CPU

[spice prawn]

does that make sense @lone pond ?

[ancient crystal]

wish threadripper wasn't so expensive

[lone pond]

Uhh not really I'm just looking at it from a perspective that the gpu is really fast and why should it be the bottleneck in anything

Being a 3090

[spice prawn]

something that is fast, is only fast IF the things around it can support it

what happens if you place a jet engine in a normal car @lone pond ?

[lone pond]

The car bottlenecks the jet lol

[spice prawn]

same principle really

[lone pond]

So it's more like a 3090 will be bottlenecked BY a 16c zen2 cpu in GPU blender render, or?

Bc the zen2 is holding it back

[spice prawn]

you can say it either way really

which does NOT make it simpler to talk about

[lone pond]

The wording just confuses me

[spice prawn]

as an example: something like a 3600x is just not fast enough to get the full "effect" from something like a 3090

this is not a "we can debate this" statement

that is just reality

However (and this is where it gets a bit complicated), my example is based on my interpretation of what is acceptable performance

[lone pond]

Ok yeah that I understand
Maybe it was just his wording

Of course

There's always a bottleneck just how bad is it

[spice prawn]

aye

bottlenecks are not automatically bad

but again, if you dont understand/know that, then a lot of the bottleneck talk/videos/articles that get thrown around, can seem very daunting

[lone pond]

Sure
Thanks

[ancient crystal]

i'd like to get a powerful GPU but i can't afford it

so fair to middling is what i get

[spice prawn]

and please remember @lone pond there are no stupid questions, only silly answers

[lone pond]

Alrighty

[naive kelp]

Is the asus 3080’strix today or tm?

Unfortunately, micro center released theirs either today or earlier this week and my source has said Friday

[weary atlas]

Dang

When is there next restock?

@wicked hound

[restive grove]

Here we go again

Dang the servers down

[languid knot]

Anyone think that GN or anyone else is going to review the 3080 FTW3? Or any EVGA cards?

I’m sure they will be about the same as others, but I’m able to do step up now and trying to see if it’s really worth it

[faint kindle]

Afaik the ftw3 is always good, so if you’re wanting the 3080, I’d say it’s worth

GN did sli with a ftw3 and FE 3080 I think

But not a direct review of just that card

Well actually https://youtu.be/5YuSsYGj5S4

[languid knot]

Yeah the big guys have been using the cards for a lot of overclocking

Just trying to decide if it’s worth it for me. I’ve been super happy with my FTW3 2070 but it might be good to upgrade for better performance in the future

Mostly for ray tracing tbh. Just having the ability to turn it on and get good FPS still

[faint kindle]

How much did you pay for the 2070?

If it’s not a huge jump in price I’d say go for it, but if it is and you’re happy with the 2070, no need honestly. still a solid card

[languid knot]

$600. So I can do an even swap with the 3070 FTW3 or get the 3080 for $100-150

[faint kindle]

hmm, yeah that’s personal preference then really. I’d do it if I were in your shoes, but at the end of the day it’s most definitely up to you

[languid knot]

Yeah my biggest issue is I think the 3070 FTW3 will be near $700. So why not pay 50-100 more for the 3080

[faint kindle]

yeah, definitely

https://youtu.be/6BNiFAEWPoQ

[limpid latch]

its on the website so they prob released the strix already but obviously its gone

[languid knot]

Oh wow that’s a bigger jump than I thought. Games like cod and battlefield getting 50-60 more FPS at 1440

Yeah I don’t think the 3070 will be worth the upgrade for 20-30 more frames, but that 3080 is a big jump. Especially with RDR2 getting near 100fps

[faint kindle]

yeah, granted that’s just 1 video, but it seems like a pretty decent jump in performance

[languid knot]

They both aligned with what I’ve seen with the 3080 reviews and what I get. I’m guessing with Ray tracing the 30 will probably drop to about the same as the 2070 but I could be wrong

But COD with Ray Tracing at 1440p with 120+ FPS will be

[faint kindle]

With the new COD and cyberpunk coming out soon, it’d be nice to experience it the best way you can. That’s why I wanted the 3080 before it comes out, but won’t deliver till December, so I’m just trying to keep an eye out and see if I can get one before November lol

[languid knot]

What’s cyberpunk about? I’ve heard the new cards are super good for it so I might pick it up

[faint kindle]

Probably easier if you just look up videos on it than me trying to explain lol, but it’s a futuristic setting and it looks very promising

Made by the same company that did The Witcher 3

[languid knot]

Ahhh then I’ll probably check it out

Oh wow it looks cool. Especially at night w the neon

[native tulip]

Honestly, I'm more impressed with the 3080 than I thought I'd be, coming off a 2070s ftw3

[languid knot]

Man now you’re selling me even more 😂

[rapid herald]

nvidia should have a drop today!

[lean flicker]

REAL

[rapid herald]

they have had one every thursday

[dreamy pivot]

3070 compatible with b550?

[rapid herald]

yes

[dreamy pivot]

Tysm

[rapid herald]

yes sir

[severe basin]

Did we glean anything from the big Navi tease?

I saw a few numbers but I don't have any idea how they stack up really

[rapid herald]

i was in line at Micro cetner so I didnt see the confdrence

[charred obsidian]

seems like roughly 3080 perf for big navi in borderlands 3 @severe basin

[rapid herald]

huh?

[charred obsidian]

although should wait to see reviews, as it could be cherry picked example of a game that scales well on their gpu

during amd conference they showed a tease for big navi gpu perf @rapid herald

[rapid herald]

and they shoed the permormance only in Borderlands 3?

showed?

[charred obsidian]

yeah, and a couple bar graphs for a few seconds, cant remember perf for those other ones

[severe basin]

Showed cod, bl3, and something else

88 fps in CoD

4k ultra

[spice prawn]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16148/amd-ryzen-5000-and-zen-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

second page in that article

[rapid herald]

so then what is perf with a 3080?

[spice prawn]

again, do NOT assume things based on this. wait for reviews

[rapid herald]

compared to

i agree

[languid knot]

Kinda glad I went with the 3700x since the 5800x is replacing it at $450

At least from what I’ve seen

[wicked hound]

gain only like 1% of hope from this, as in take with a grain of salt, but AMD usually like releasing their non X CPUs too. Or at least their nicely binned ones and meh binned ones

[restive grove]

@rapid herald https://youtu.be/nAWQQySKZGQ

brb walking the kids

[rapid herald]

thank you

[stone raft]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3585090/amd-radeon-rx-6000-big-navi-performance-tease-rtx-3080.html

[languid knot]

So about in line with what most thought

Better at some games, worse at others. Seems ab right

[merry rune]

honestly though, that will still probably work well in AMD's favor. actually competing with nvidia's mainstream 'top' level card is what they didn't have in the rx 5000 series

[languid knot]

Well keep in mind. While you are correct, the 5700xt had a lot of trouble competing with the 2070 super because of poor hardware issues and drivers. So who knows if that will occur again

[merry rune]

well yes, but it was never competition for the 2080ti is what i'm saying, whereas this looks to be direct competition for the 3080, which is already a step up

[languid knot]

Yes I agree. Competition is always good so I think AMD is moving the right way

[merry rune]

and they managed to get their driver stuff sorted out with rx5000 earlier this year, so hopefully rdna2 just being the next iteration of navi will mean it won't be difficult for their driver game to stay in shape

but it's still all just conjecture at this point until the cards are out in the wild with final release drivers

but it's an optimistic start thus far for them

[languid knot]

Even Nvidia had troubles this time around so who knows

[merry rune]

very true

[languid knot]

Yes I do know Nvidia has troubles nearly every launch, but this time was a little more unexpected. But I’m hoping the race is about even for this gen

I like amd for the cpus, but I went with Nvidia for gpus (although mostly because I want EVGA cards) but if more amd gpus become mainstream, the better off everyone will be

[merry rune]

yeah and the launch issues here aren't truly hardware design/driver related on nvidia's side, it's the supply issue plus AIB component choices that have really been the big issues

nvidia just tried to help patch things with a driver tweak, which is really all they could do at that point

[languid knot]

It also seemed to me like the AIBs tried to push the cards too far for what they built them for. Especially the MSRP cards. But I could be wrong

[spice prawn]

not really @languid knot

they got numbers from nvidia

its all on them (Nvidia) for rushing

[languid knot]

Ah my mistake then

[spice prawn]

you are semi-right-ish

just giving more context

[stone raft]

If AMD does a great launch...I can see them taking the top their next 2 releases

but then again...I don't think they sell stuff on their website...card wise

I think it is all through 3rd party

I have to hope their drivers are better

[languid knot]

Eh. They’ll have the same scalping issues. Cause it’s not just computer parts, it’s all tech rn. But I don’t think Nvidia will lack behind for 2 gens

[restive grove]

I don't think there is any profit in scalping AMD, which has a retail market unlike Nvidia

In any case I am certain I'll be able to order AMD products at my local retailer, which is better than Nvidia's wish ware.

[languid knot]

if there demand, there is a profit to make

[restive grove]

Sure that's a great excuse for racketeering

[stone raft]

Man, if amd is at best buy store...I'm done with nvidia, probably

[languid knot]

okay so you dont think if AMD comes with a card for $600 that competes with the 3080, it wont have the same issues?

[restive grove]

We are in a Covid 19 economy, people can barely afford the regular price

[languid knot]

Like I said, if AMD comes at a cheaper price, scalpers will want to take advantage of that too.

[restive grove]

AMD does local retailing, it wont be as stupid as what we have now

[languid knot]

Nvidia sent cards to Microcenter

[weary atlas]

I hope those scalpers get stuck with the graphics card and nobody buys it

[languid knot]

Other than best buy, where will they send retail cards to?

Cause Nvidia sends cards to best buy

[restive grove]

Buying third party cards screws up the warrantee anyway

Best Buy, Office Max, Game Stop, Tiger Direct

Anyway back to low res gaming

[lean flicker]

What time does nvidia drop the cards?

[languid knot]

AMD wont be any different but I applaud your enthusiasm

[lean flicker]

someone told me its today

[languid knot]

For what cards?

[lean flicker]

fe

Founders Edition

[fervent obsidian]

good luck getting one of those lmao

[lean flicker]

anyone know what time

[faint kindle]

@languid knot did you end up doing the step up?

[lean flicker]

should i speedrun life and take sleeping pills

[spice prawn]

@languid knot dont get confused because of the ramblings

[languid knot]

@faint kindle gonna call EVGA tomorrow to see how long my pc would be down for shipping and all

If it’s 2-5 days I’ll probably do it but if it’ll be a few weeks idk

[faint kindle]

gotcha, best of luck!

if you're up for step up they shouldnt have even told you if it were going to be weeks before they could ever send it lol

the only problem will be that you'll have to send them the card, then they'll have to check it out, then they'll send your new one, I assume?

[languid knot]

Thank you! I don’t think it’ll be that bad. But yes, they need to receive my 2070 and then send the 3080

The longer part will be waiting in the queue to get one though

[faint kindle]

yeah definitely

I need to work on my patience

I hate ordering things online because I constantly check the site to see where the product is/how far along it is before it gets to me

[languid knot]

Preorder? Or waiting for something to ship?

[faint kindle]

both, honestly, lol

[languid knot]

What card are you waiting for

[faint kindle]

oh, the 3080 from amazon. i got an asus tuf, but wont be here til decemeber

[languid knot]

That’s not too bad. I think anything before 2021 is good sadly. BUT I will say both my ram and GPU ended up being shipped 3 days earlier than predicted so it will always change with Amazon

[faint kindle]

its always nice getting packages early

[languid knot]

Oh definitely. But the Tuf will be a great card to have

[faint kindle]

hope so!

by then a lot of the bugs and stuff should be worked out too, i hope

[languid knot]

Yeah that’s why I did step up instead of waiting to get lucky

I will say, asus, EVGA, and gigabyte are all good choices

[stone raft]

December 9th?!?

[faint kindle]

yup yup

[lean flicker]

[brave veldt]

what would be neat is if they just let supply and demand dictate the prices for the first 5 batches

like a bidding war

this way bots wouldn't profit

like if there are 1000 for sale, the top 1000 bids on them within a 24 hour window will get them

if you want it that bad and you're buying it off ebay, this will likely be cheaper for you

and people trying to scalp them for a profit won't make as much

most ppl complaining about the low stock aren't getting them anyways

[native tulip]

as a gamer, what reasons would I have to get the 5900 series at resos higher than 1080p?

I'm personally way more sold on the idea of waiting for ddr5 rather than trying to jump the gun at .2 higher boost clocks

isn't everything gpu bound now

[normal hawk]

Gamers have no reason to get a 12 core cpu

Don't be ridiculous

5900x is definitely for content creation. Video editing, 3d modeling, photoshop, cad, etc

5600x is for gamers.

[languid knot]

Not really true. If you play cpu intensive games 8-12 cores are better, and if you stream or just want even better performance than those are better than an R5.

[limpid latch]

i you guys had to choose a waterblock for 3080 would u do ek or alphacool?

[restive grove]

@normal hawk so whats a 5950 for?

https://youtu.be/LF4VTKCl9MA@normal hawk

[keen schooner]

Did NewEgg drop 140 3080s on eBay??

[restive grove]

@normal hawk

[normal hawk]

5950X is for super creators.

I make things but thats not in my budget.

and most games will only use 4 - 6 cores @languid knot

and if you have an RTX card, NVENC takes the load off the CPU for streaming

[languid knot]

Yes but saying it’s ridiculous to want more than 6 cores if you’re gaming is a bit shallow

Because that’s not entirely true

[normal hawk]

His statement is what was ridiculous.

as a gamer, what reasons would I have to get the 5900 series at resos higher than 1080p?

^ that is ridiculous. especially in his situation.

[languid knot]

I don’t disagree that that’s an odd statement but there’s plenty of reasons to have more than a 5600(x) for a gaming pc

[normal hawk]

RTX 3080 has NVenc, so the CPU won't really handle the stream if he does stream.

He's not bottlenecked (except lack of PCIE 4.0 support by his CPU).

as resolution goes up, GPU matters more than CPU so again, no reason to upgrade his already good CPU.

And his follow up statement:

I'm personally way more sold on the idea of waiting for ddr5 rather than trying to jump the gun at .2 higher boost clocks

So he doesn't even really Want to upgrade yet, why would he need to feel pressured into upgrading.

He's looking for a reason for HIM not for others.

[polar bronze]

I finally got one ordered 😄

[languid knot]

Ah okay. My fault then

[mortal thistle]

Are you ready the $299 cpu?

Can we get it?

[normal hawk]

I'm not telling him that he should go to a 5600X I'm saying he shouldn't get a 5900x. its not worth the investment in his situation as well as that its not "particularly" a good gaming CPU cost effective wise.

[languid knot]

Yes that’s true. I apologize

[normal hawk]

my own motto is if you need someone else to justify your purchase, its not justified. so it fits there too lol

[mortal thistle]

I am building a new desktop right now, so I am definitely get a 5600x, cost $299

If I can get one, I don’t know if this is the same as RTX 3080, then that suck

[languid knot]

I don’t know if CPUs will be. Typically they aren’t upgraded as much as gpus

[restive grove]

I'd go for a 5900x and pawn off my 3600xt to a nephew

[round mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491267501410353153/763916408777736212/unknown.png

from newegg canada ebay

[normal hawk]

oh, was wondering why the price was so high

[polar bronze]

😄

[round mason]

yea its canadian and the ebay listing had a higher shipping fee than from their normal site

[rapid herald]

Of it was Canada newegg, not USA?

[round mason]

usa had it too

[rapid herald]

Dang it...of coarse I'm working

[round mason]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/293765635998

there ya go

they dropped a few hundred

but so did canada

so im pre sure we share stock

[rapid herald]

Ok. All some out now obviously, right?

[round mason]

yea

the craze ended like 20 minutes ago now

[wicked hound]

@round mason 3080 is $950 CAD pretax, plus 13% tax if you live in worst tax place making it $1075, how are you still paying $300 CAD over MSRP + taxes

[round mason]

newegg put a premium on it

:/

@wicked hound

that be newegg canada

[restive grove]

I wonder how many scalpers are floating in this this channel trying to prop up their image?

[round mason]

the ebay one also had 30$ shipping for some reason

compared to their actual site at 8$ shipping

ah sorry its not a premium

they factor in import fees

in there

[wicked hound]

Paid 28% over FE MSRP after taxes. Aorus Master is $850 USD or $1277 CAD after worst CAD taxes. Considering Gigabytes GPU is meh in comparison to TUF, not worth Gigabytes premium, nor the import premium

[round mason]

well you cant avoid import fees

its factored into all the cards

not just gigabyte

[wicked hound]

Buy local

[round mason]

that ss i posted

is local

local stores have to import them still xD

so they also factor it into their prices

and i have ordered locally but they are so unreliable. no eta for my card that i had placed order way before launch day

[wicked hound]

Hm, interesting

[round mason]

yea so i live in bc and i ordered on the 30th and some guy living in ontario ordered on the 4th of october and got his on the 6th while mine has yet to show up XD

same store btw

[wicked hound]

weird. I have a friend that purchased it without the import fees, I think from Canada Computers

probably more dependent on specific location and time of buying

for whether local places are importing

[round mason]

yea i ordered it from canada computers

all the import fees are factored into their price

oh wait

maybe its just newegg

well the newegg order i showed

got cancelled anyways

but i still got the CC order

im first at my store just waiting for my store to get their stock

@bitter bear i have a question. My master got voided due to lack of stock but your ebay account still charged my paypal

[wicked hound]

@round mason have to DM them for that question

[round mason]

yea okay i wasnt sure if i was permitted to dm

[royal copper]

@cursive urchin might be the one to dm for that

[round mason]

ah ok thanks guys

it wont let me dm

XD

i have to send a friend request?

[royal copper]

service should be open to everyone

[round mason]

it didnt go through :C

both accounts

[wicked hound]

@round mason I gave NeweggService a DM to see if they can DM you

mine went through at least, may take a bit for them to respond tho cuz idk their active hours

[royal copper]

business hours pacific time

[round mason]

alrighty

[restive grove]

So now you're resorting to buying from Canada? May as well buy from EU if that's the case....

[round mason]

XD wym? i live in canada dude

i ordered from CC before the newegg ebay drops

[solemn panther]

mmmm

[solemn panther]

10 mins

new record

soo tired

[solemn panther]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-gif-7225082

[restive grove]

Okay that works, I suppose it's faster than US shipment from the west coast to the eastern seaboard.

[naive kelp]

Any word on when Newegg will get their asus cards?

[viscid dome]

Sold out

[ancient crystal]

#nobody-can-get-a-3080

[terse bloom]

Only on Newegg

[ancient crystal]

and then, only sometimes

[terse bloom]

No, I meant the other way around. Nobody can get a 3080 on Newegg.

[ancient crystal]

oh

sounds reasonable

[terse bloom]

My friend is proof that you can get a 3080 from Best Buy. He managed to snag MSI Ventus OC model on release

And I've been to my local Micro Center and watched people walk out with a 3080 before.

[ancient crystal]

i miss micro center

i used to go there when i lived in MN, none in MT

[terse bloom]

My cousin also ordered a custom built PC from CLX with a 3080..

[ancient crystal]

but... you build PCs

[terse bloom]

It just arrived for him a few days ago.

He wanted the 3080. And since all the retailers and etailers were sold out. Ordering a custom built from CLX or NXZT was the only other option. That, or eBay.

Also, because people have asked this before, why I don't build it for him.. He's on the other side of the country, in Nevada, and I'm in Michigan.

[spice prawn]

https://www.proshop.de/RTX-30series-overview

have some fun with that info people

[lone pond]

Ah info that's relevant to europeans for once thats nice

[gilded marten]

so my 1660ti blew up after i put water with ice to cool it off what went wrong
i saw a post saying it works

and the temps did go down

[faint kindle]

Jesus, Naed

That really puts the shortage into perspective huh?

[gilded marten]

huh

[faint kindle]

When they’ve ordered like ~8000 3080s and only received like 300

[gilded marten]

im 8 years old

and need help fixing it

[severe basin]

Yeah that was pretty alarming to me.

@faint kindle

If course I've never heard of that retailer

[faint kindle]

I haven’t either

Nonetheless

[severe basin]

And I doubt we'll ever get to see Newegg or Amazon's numbers

[faint kindle]

Not sure which of the two have sold more by this point

[severe basin]

But yeah that's consistent with what I've heard from local PC shop guys. One dude said he ordered 75 cards and was told he was lucky if he'd even get one.

I would expect them to be about even, probably more people reselling on Amazon though

[faint kindle]

Ah yeah true

That’s crazy, though

[severe basin]

Annoying that Amazon gets paid twice for scalpers buying the product and then selling it higher

[faint kindle]

And then there’s MSI scalping their own products lol

[severe basin]

I read about that, but they came down pretty hard on that company I thought

And is issuing refunds to make up the difference

[spice prawn]

@faint kindle yes

and i can vouch for that company

@severe basin they are a danish retailer

that sounded wrong.

Their headquarters is in denmark. is what i meant :)

[severe basin]

I love danishes

[lofty karma]

Yummy

[faint kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/danish-chef-funny-gif-14757484

[celest wave]

oi FE boys no more stock this week

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/geforce-graphics-cards/5/402196/nvidia-store-update-geforce-rtx-3080-and-rtx-3090-/

nvidia is moving 3080 and 3090 FE sales to best buy for now in US

[faint kindle]

oh great

good thing Best Buy has what seems to be no bot protection whatsoever lol

[celest wave]

i was able to add them but not pay

[faint kindle]

from my experience anyways, literally been refreshing for hours and see it come up, add it, then it says shipping not available

[celest wave]

because it said it wouldnt ship there

so ima save myself the pain

get a 2070 S from evga

and step up

[faint kindle]

I would but god knows how long it’d take as this point

plus last I checked evga didn’t have any cards in stock

[celest wave]

wegg has them

and amazon is getting them in stock

[faint kindle]

ah, I just checked their site

[celest wave]

i would get a 2060 just to have a card

but thats a bigger difference

so likely higher tax paid

[faint kindle]

3070 does drop soon too though. Wonder how that launch will go

yeah I was wondering if you’d have to pay tax on both of them, but I guess you definitely would

[celest wave]

pretty sure you pay tax on the diffrence you pay

so ideally a 2080 super would be better to get

but i have seen stock in forever

[pure rover]

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-1386MHz-Graphics-RX-580P8DFD6/dp/B06Y66K3XD/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rx%2B580&qid=1602267716&sr=8-1&th=1

how does this look

[patent kiln]

crappy

[wicked hound]

@round mason NeweggSerivce contacted me and told me to tell you to try DMing them again

[round mason]

yea i got em

[limpid latch]

@rapid herald congrats to him for finally getting his 3080, after waiting out all week at microcenter and this morning from almost 1 am to be 1st in line

[faint kindle]

[humble hemlock]

wish i had one close to me, trying to get one online is extremely frustrating.

[warm coral]

so i got my gpu back after retunring it to msi due to crashing and blue screens

and now it no longer crashes

except the moment i open a game my gpu wants to ramp its fans up to max and sound like a jet engine

no matter what game it is, even if its something easy to run like csgo

[lone pond]

did you get the problem with your pc freezing and restarting

[lean flicker]

its probaly psu

or overheat

[rapid herald]

@limpid latch 11:30 pm actually lol

[faint kindle]

@rapid herald so you finally got it? Post pics!

[bright heron]

congrats, on the hunt to get one myself

[rapid herald]

Micro center is your best. At. Fridays are hot days at my store

[bright heron]

I'm in Washington State, no MC out here but i wish

[rapid herald]

Oh yeah there none there. I'm in Chicago. So we have two

[bright heron]

thats awesome

just refreshing best buy and newegg

[rapid herald]

Yeah man. Good luck!

[bright heron]

ty sir

[humble hemlock]

same im in El paso closest one is houston or dallas 10+ hr drive so im refreshing also. Congrats on the find man

[stone raft]

Gaming grass leaving us behind

[limpid latch]

Idk no seatbelts on that 3080, Dcfs gonna come after u lol

[faint kindle]

Nice! Got the tuf too

[limpid latch]

Well he could have gotten the strix but that's quite a jump in price

The tuf us best priced to performance and temps

So for 699 that's great

[brisk flame]

just finished cleaning up this GeForce4 ti4600

[limpid latch]

I wonder if my mom has our 1st pc from circuit city, I put a vodoo 3000 in it

Could barely play diablo 2 on it

[terse bloom]

I still check website daily every morning. Haven't seen any stock on their site since Sunday.

And I mean for my store, Madison Heights, MI

[agile parrot]

@humble hemlock youre in el paso?? me too

[stone raft]

I got my first pc from gateway

I miss gateway

They had that cow symbol and stuff

Man I miss the 90s

Now they are called Acer...

[faint kindle]

Ah god

I forgot about gateway

[humble hemlock]

@agile parrot Yea Ft Bliss small world

[faint kindle]

I’ve still got an old one somewhere

[rigid crag]

I had a gateway laptop lol

[agile parrot]

hey stephen if you find a card in ep or are able to find two please dm me and i can cashapp you

@humble hemlock

im far west by cabelas area

[humble hemlock]

will do man

[tulip sand]

Can anyone tell me if the msi GeForce rtx 2070 super Ventura GP is any good?

[tepid oasis]

@[OBLV] Jordilaforge#0082 i have it works great may awant to wait for 3070 tho for better performance

[stone raft]

I’ve still got an old one somewhere
@faint kindle I remember playing cs 1.5 on my gateway. OMG I miss those days. I like cs go but cs back then was sooo good

Have like 15+ people a team

[limpid latch]

that one pc was a pentium 1 133mhz i think i found the reciept a while back was like 2500 from circuit city, 1st diablo was fine to play of course

[agile parrot]

thank you @humble hemlock

[stone raft]

that one pc was a pentium 1 133mhz i think i found the reciept a while back was like 2500 from circuit city, 1st diablo was fine to play of course
@limpid latch I haven't heard pentium in so long...I feel old

[limpid latch]

the slot style cpu lol

[celest wave]

@rapid herald damn you finally got one congrats!!! I gave up after the drops today and i'm just stepping up

[rapid herald]

Yeah. I was gonna do that but they said it would be around 4 months

[tulip sand]

@tepid oasis I’m on a budget and heard the 3070 is hard to get

[tidal pollen]

@tulip sand I am also waiting for 3070 but looking at 3080 stock levels, I do not think I can get hands on one this year

[tulip sand]

@tidal pollen that’s why I’m going for a 2070 but don’t know which one to get lol

[tidal pollen]

@tulip sand I have used this one. It was good. https://www.newegg.ca/msi-geforce-rtx-2070-super-rtx-2070-super-ventus-gp-oc/p/N82E16814137528

@tulip sand Go with 2070 Super

[tulip sand]

That’s the one I was looking at

https://www.newegg.ca/asus-geforce-rtx-2070-super-dual-rtx2070s-o8g-evo/p/N82E16814126332?item=N82E16814126332

Or this @tidal pollen

[tidal pollen]

@tulip sand Yes, I think ASUS one is also good. You can definitely consider it.

[tulip sand]

Are they both practically the same 😂

[round valve]

anyone think the rtx 3000 series will get mini versions for SFF PCs?

by "series" i really just mean the 3060 bc the other ones i doubt can go any smaller

[spice prawn]

@round valve technically, the FE version is quite small

its just that the FE cooler takes up a bunch of space

so, if that is solved (fx by using water) then yes

also, do keep in mind, a LOT of SSF cases can handle something like the 3080 FE (as it is right now) without a problem

[terse bloom]

I heard Dell and Alienware has a 3080 that's even smaller than the FE

https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/8/21508481/alienware-rtx-3080-3090-aurora-r11-r10-area-51-monitor-360hz?fbclid=IwAR03gDBnhORtV5iXN7OWTEwBPiSkWmLwtgo3iinwWZ1zHCXkjbFGXG4vpqU

[spice prawn]

@terse bloom read what i said above again :)

i very much doubt we will see any PCB that is smaller than the FE versions

[faint steeple]

Interesting dell Alienware gpu lol

[terse bloom]

Didn't really mean the PCB, but just meant, FE is no longer the "smallest".

And it'll be interesting to see them come up with some sort of 3070 or 3060 version for laptops in the future too.

[spice prawn]

PCB = limit to card size

[terse bloom]

Ah. Don't know much about technical stuff like that.

[spice prawn]

2sec

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-founders-edition/images/front.jpg

notice the pci-e connector at the bottom

compare that to the "small" cards in the pictures above :)

(that picture i linked i the 3080 FE pcb)

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-pro-oc/images/front.jpg

this is the "reference" based Palit 3080 gaming pro oc PCB

the bottom is the type of pcb that Dell/Alienware are basing their designs off

[terse bloom]

The actual PCB card itself, yeah.

[spice prawn]

notice the length

[terse bloom]

But again, wasn't really talking about that by itself. I meant the whole card altogether, cooler and fans included.

[spice prawn]

yes, and as i said earlier. FE is the one that can go to the smallest size IF using water

do note the IF

[terse bloom]

Well, that's if you change or modify it then.

[spice prawn]

obviously.

[terse bloom]

I was speaking only "As-Is". And Alienware is saying their 3080 is 18mm shorter/smaller.

Changing or modifying a card is just a variable tho, and I try not to speak on that. Depending on the parts and cooling solution you use, you can change the size, color, whatever on any card. (no guarantee it will work, and doing so will more than likely void any warranty as well)

But no. I was only speaking about people who "plug and play" their stuff. Even among people who build their own PCs, not everyone knows how to dismantle and modify their parts.

Or even adjust/tune their overclocks.

[spice prawn]

hence why i said IF in the original comment :)

we are not disagreeing @terse bloom

just in case it isnt clear :)

[terse bloom]

Oh no.

I just think there's a misunderstanding. What I posted was not in relation to what you said or was talking about. It's just an article I found on facebook.

[spice prawn]

aye aye

[terse bloom]

I just figured I'd share it cause, 1, Dell bragging about having smaller, like right in first paragraph. 2, new company showing that they have a 3080 now, and 3, article says if anyone is still looking for 3080, you can buy their pre-built for 1800 (after buying your own PSU and switching theirs out.)

I even shared it with my cousin, who paid double the price. But he claims that the reason he paid 3600, was cause that's how much each parts cost. Plus the extra hundred for labor, and another 100 for professional overclocking.

[spice prawn]

i have some sand i would like to sell to your cousin

[terse bloom]

Looking at newegg now. My cousin picked all the "high end" parts from CLX. Trying to see what happens if I pick all the "expensive" parts on newegg and if the price comes close or not.

Well, I guess it might line up. I basically picked all the most expensive parts on Newegg PC builder, and so far, without storage or cpu cooler (or accessories), got a total cost of 3k.

[spice prawn]

as i said, i have some sand to sell him

[stone raft]

Lol

[spice prawn]

if you scroll up @stone raft

you will find i posted the actual link to the site

https://www.proshop.de/RTX-30series-overview <- and here it is again

[stone raft]

Damn hardly anyone wants the 3099

3090

[steel bough]

The 3090 is too expensive and too big. Not too many pc cases can handle that long and width card

[limpid latch]

yea although w/ a waterblock they get tiny

[small leaf]

i was able to get an rtx 3080 from newegg ebay, does anyone know if they honor promos off ebay purchases, like the watchdogs and geforce experience code

[cobalt needle]

no

[fluid star]

u guys know when will be released 3080 super ?

[wary sand]

Guys any reason why the sphere test is failing on userbenchmark?

Or do you know any other gpu tests? I want to know the condition/performance of my gpu

[near igloo]

3dmark is good

[terse bloom]

u guys know when will be released 3080 super ?
@fluid star
If we base it on the history of releases for 16 series and 20 series..
It will be 6 to 10 months before they release any 30 series Super.

[fluid star]

@terse bloom hmm thats mean not worth the buy 3080 now

maybe i go 3090 and need comfort

[terse bloom]

From 2080 release in September 2018 to 2080 Super release in July, 2019. That's 10 months.
2060 was released in January 2019, and then the 2060 Super in July 2019.

So, chance it might release in July, unless nVidia decides to milk it and just stick with the 3080 and 3090 as is.. Then once the market saturation reaches a point where demand no longer exceeds supply exponentially..
Then nVidia might decide to release the Super, to bring the level of demand back up again.

[fluid star]

so what would be a plan for me i dont have gpu now ? @terse bloom

[terse bloom]

Honestly, that's on you. Some people are getting a 20 series card and signing up for EVGA step up program. Some are waiting it out. And some are just gonna try to get AMD when they release (if they can even get one. I imagine we'll have the same trouble with bots and scalpers again.)

Personally, I'm waiting it out, and checking Micro Center's website every morning. But that's cause I actually can, since their store is only 20 minutes away from my house, and I don't normally go to work until 2 hours after they open, giving me plenty of time to hit the store, drive home, and then get ready and leave for work.

[languid knot]

Okay I will say though, be careful if you are waiting for this gens "Super" card. There is a very good likelihood that they will cost more because Nvidia is hinting at them having more vram. Just a thing to be aware of because the 20 series Super cards had the same MSRP as the base cards.

[stone raft]

Yo has anyone bought the herman miller x logitech g embody gaming chair?

[lean flicker]

#peripherals-and-displays

[stone raft]

Thanks

[lean flicker]

check reviews on yt

[stone raft]

I'm looking at one now

Just wondering if anyone would spend $1500 on the chair

[languid knot]

If you’re spending 300 hours a year in it I would say that would be worth it. And if you work from home and use your chair then it’s even more important

[stone raft]

Only working from home while covid is happening. But I do use my chair for gaming

The gaming chair I got is trash on the toosh

I had to get a memory foam pillow

I might go mesh

[humble hemlock]

bro its just a chair you can spend 300 and feel just as comfortable, at least for me.

[tacit linden]

If I have a 1060 right now, Well it be worth upgrading to a 1660?

[spare relic]

Oh ok

[narrow lance]

3060 price and release date?

[spare relic]

Probably 250-300 range???

[tough oyster]

3060 will be $349 to $399 @dusty willow

[granite juniper]

if it comes out

[gray lodge]

I've got a radeon 5600 xt that I used in a build for my brother that isnt performing to expectations (<60fps on mid settings), does anybody have any suggestions?

[near igloo]

It might be capped

Or accidentally underclocked

[thick pasture]

I pre-ordeed a RTX 3090 and am bored waiting

[humble hemlock]

from where?

[thick pasture]

Canada computers.

[humble hemlock]

hopefully you dont have to wait too long. Anybody know the wait on that EVGA queue?

Im assuming 2+months

[thick pasture]

I pre-ordeed a RTX 3090 actually.

Somehow

[stone raft]

hopefully you dont have to wait too long. Anybody know the wait on that EVGA queue?
@humble hemlock no

[terse bloom]

Last I heard, someone said a few weeks up to 4 months. And the Rep said probably closer to 4 months. Now, understand, I heard this from someone else, and so this is basically secondhand info.

I mean, if you're talking about EVGA step up.

If you're talking about the purchase window, then, nobody really knows, cause they don't give anyone a number or anything. Just a notification saying it's their turn, and they have 5 hours to buy. After that, they move on to the next person. Until stock runs out again.

[boreal rune]

For swapping GPU's would I just need to download DDU and hit "Clean and Shutdown" and then swap in my new GPU and download the drivers when I restart it?

[uneven eagle]

hello, how rare is it for a pc part to come damaged/non functional straight out of the box(idk if i said that right, dont flame my english ples), i am gonna build my first pc soon and I already have 5/7 of the parts, and idk, i am like scared that one part is broken or something, like what do i do if it is?, how would i know which part is broken?

[unkempt eagle]

It isn’t super likely for that to happen unless it is damaged in transit, or if you damage it during installation.

[earnest nebula]

So my rtx 2070 super is running at 83 C when I am playing Witcher 3 on ultra settings is that fine or is something wrong?

[winged locust]

does this discord help you know when newegg will have new 3080s in stock, or is it useless?

[faint kindle]

Useless for your needs in the sense of speed in letting you know when 3080s drop. Great for other applications. Join another server for that.

You may occasionally see someone mention that 3080s have dropped, but it’s not dedicated towards it

[marble karma]

I have a MSI Apache Pro laptop looking to upgrade from my 1060 to something newer. Anyone know of any decent laptop cards? Or should I just go to a new laptop instead? its ~4years old

[faint steeple]

@marble karma uh. You can’t upgrade laptop graphics cards. Only way to do that is with an external gpu dock but I don’t recommend doing that. I did it for awhile but it’s kinda buggy also you loose some performance

[marble karma]

Dang, thanks. Didn't know that

[lone pond]

Most people on this server will tell you to just ditch any kind of gaming laptop and get a decent computer

[foggy dawn]

ive got a 1050ti and need to upgrade my gcard for some of my new games - whats peoples thoughts on getting a 1080 vs 1080ti vc 2060

thats whats in my budget at the moment, 1080ti is at top end of my budget

[sinful falcon]

Anyone know when the 3080s are supposed to be back in stock

Any clue at all

[spice prawn]

between now and Q2 next year

[stone raft]

[shell mason]

@foggy dawn I would wait on the 3070s if you can

even a 3080 at that, getting a 10-series at this point makes no sense

[terse bloom]

Well, technically, a 1080 still outperforms a 2060, and considering their budget, I think a 3080 is not within budget for them.
I'm assuming their budget is probably around 250 to 350 USD. Which is how much you can get for a used 1080, or maybe new 2060.
Considering that, 3070 is probably out of budget too, and that's even if there's enough supply for market availability.

[tulip sand]

Any help

https://www.newegg.ca/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-08g-p4-3071-kr/p/N82E16814487456

Or

https://www.newegg.ca/msi-geforce-rtx-2070-super-rtx-2070-super-ventus-gp-oc/p/N82E16814137528

[lean flicker]

3070

[drowsy trellis]

why are 1080tis so expensive in 2020?

[tulip sand]

@lean flicker bro 3070 are practically impossible to get

[rigid crag]

Maybe because they're not out yet

[tulip sand]

How much retail are they going to be?

[fervent obsidian]

500

usd

like around 650 cad i think

[tulip sand]

So same price as a 2070 super?

[lean flicker]

yes

if u can then wait

[tulip sand]

So why are they going to be the same price 😂 that doesn’t make sense

Or would the 2070s go down

[spice prawn]

new gen takes over for the old

the 2070S cards will disappear from the market and there will only be 3xxx cards

[agile parrot]

hey does anyone know if nowinstock.com stopped refreshing for 3080 cards, the last stock update was from oct. 02

[normal hawk]

@shell mason wouldn't he likely need to ALSO get a new power supply more than likely for a 30 series? That just raises how much he spends.

[shell mason]

that is a fair point, what's the current PSU wattage?

[lone pond]

bruh my pc is making a weried noise when i launch fortnite

[lean flicker]

fortnite

[lofty karma]

ur problem is the last word in that

[languid knot]

Just started the step up program. Hopefully I’ll get it by the end of the year lol

[red leaf]

yo guys should i get a 3300x with a rtx 2060 non super or a ryzen 5 3600 with a 1660 super

[round crown]

3600

[languid knot]

3600

[round crown]

2060 isnt worth it

[languid knot]

If you have time to wait until they drop in price from the new cpus too

[round crown]

Mm

[agile parrot]

Check this out on @Newegg: ABS Gladiator Gaming PC - Intel i7 10700F - GeForce RTX 3080 - 16GB DDR4 3000MHz - 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali440/p/N82E16883360024?Item=N82E16883360024&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-024-_-10122020

Whole pc add to cart seemed to work

[fervent obsidian]

2 much money

[west oar]

How do I find the steak seasoning

[eager walrus]

i need a gpu for 170 anyideas

[lofty karma]

@agile parrot not bad idea buy the computer take out graphics card sell rest of pc XD

[crude ore]

@eager walrus 1650 super all the way

performance for price is amazing

[arctic phoenix]

used 1070

if u can do used

get out bruh nobody wants to join

[royal copper]

#rules

[arctic phoenix]

nah he knows

he got his message removed first

[terse bloom]

Has anyone seen this article already?
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75553/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-with-20gb-rumored-for-december-2020-launch/index.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3YSUYclOBft5XIWzdOSbcRHNPW5Bd7IRq_RbCubIJIWWRWXC1jDK5-zwE

[stone raft]

That would be crazy

[lofty karma]

I want a 3090 with 44gb

Wait if they do a 20gb 3080 then whats the point of even getting a 3090

[faint kindle]

I honestly don’t know if I need 20gb of vram lol

Be nice for future proofing I guess but I don’t know if you need that much for gaming rn

[lofty karma]

more is always better ofc

[ashen wigeon]

hello, im new member here. anyone have galax rtx 2070 super 1 click oc? please share your review or impression about it. bcs i have plant to buy it. thanks

[round crown]

Dont get 2070s, 3070 much better investment for same money

[spare relic]

I wish for 3050

[sacred folio]

Hello

Rtx 3080

@dell.com

[faint kindle]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/shop/accessories/apd/AB367812

@solemn panther

[solemn panther]

Oh

877...oof

[faint kindle]

Yep..but in stock, lol

at least it isn’t $1400

[sacred folio]

Anyone pick one up

[stone raft]

Meh

Probably won't get it til jan

[languid knot]

@faint kindle I didn’t think I’d need more than 8gb of vram but I’ve maxed it out a few times

[faint kindle]

yeah, lil worried about cyberpunk with only 10gb, but maybe it’ll be fine

[languid knot]

10gb should be fine for the next few years, but for max settings at 4K it’s starting to be on the edge

My 2070 super nears maxing out in Cod at 1440p max settings, and it’ll go way over when I turn on ray tracing lol

[spice prawn]

do you crash when you turn on ray tracing?

if not, then no. you are not "way over"

[languid knot]

Not unless I have vsync turned on

Ah okay

[spice prawn]

occupied is NOT the same as "actually used"

[languid knot]

Do multiple monitors use more vram? Say a game on one and web browsing on the other?

[spice prawn]

depends on the specific programs

IF you have a program that uses 2gigs of vram

it does not matter "where" it is.

it will use that amount

[faint kindle]

I wondered that too, though I usually just do discord and chrome on one screen and game on other

[spice prawn]

for something like chrome

it depends on each tab (as in, what is loaded)

and sometimes, discord is a mess in regards to its hardware acceleration and ram use

[languid knot]

So that’s where it would be nice to have 10gb instead of 8, for that just in case headroom

[spice prawn]

yes/no/not-really/kinda/maybe

what would be "nice" was IF programs actually cleaned up after themselves instead :)

because then you (the user) would have a much clearer picture of how much ram is actually used VS how much ram is just being reserved

[languid knot]

Oh absolutely. Chrome should really take that note.

[spice prawn]

all browsers should

and game clients too

and now that we are at it, just about all software in general

[errant kayak]

where do i see if my pc has a gpu

[languid knot]

I think the biggest oddity to me is how game launchers like epic games or battlenet don’t automatically stop using system resources when you launch a game. They shouldn’t need to be open unless they are being used IMO

I understand checking for updates and all but if the game launches clearly It doesn’t need updated

[spice prawn]

@errant kayak device manager

[errant kayak]

?

done

[spice prawn]

@languid knot re: game launchers: consider the following. (If your idea was true) What happens if you want to download a game while you are playing something else?

@errant kayak good, then you can figure out if you have a GPU or not.

[errant kayak]

k thx

[languid knot]

Maybe a choice then. Not sure how to fully implement it but seems like there should be a way. I am not a software developer though so I wouldn’t know

[spice prawn]

now, try and explain to people that its "just" a choice @languid knot

you know, like its just a choice IF they want to have multiple game clients :)

[languid knot]

Very true

[merry timber]

does anyone have some advice for me with my card? I have to keep on reinstalling the drivers every time i use my pc

[terse bloom]

Would help if you said what card

[crisp ocean]

when is 8GB of VRAM not good enough

like when will i start to have issues with that number if I am not planning on overclocking

[night zealot]

OMFG

Newegg i hate u so much i had a mental breakdown

The site glitched and made msi 3080 available

[crisp ocean]

How do you know it was a glitch

[night zealot]

But when i entered it got auto notify

Cuz i happen to stay on the site every 20min refreshing it desperately

[crisp ocean]

Rip your best bet is to look up the stock times tmb

[night zealot]

And the nividia partners in my country sucks they took the 3080 stocks and built with it PCs and then resold the build in high prices

[crisp ocean]

What country

[night zealot]

Saudi Arabia

[crisp ocean]

Ah I see

[lofty karma]

I mean that's how prebuilt systems work

They buy up da stock and then sell the system for a premium cos its built

[boreal rune]

I got a new GPU and my games seem to be running slower or less smoothly now. Destiny 2 for instance stutters a lot when in the menu/loading into a new area and I load into areas a lot slower then I did before.

The Radeon software says I have the most current drivers so I don't know what could be causing it.

[tepid hearth]

I got a 3080 email confirmed but I just built my pc about a 3 weeks ago.... what to do with it?

[karmic sky]

build 2nd Computer

[tepid hearth]

I feel it’ll be too pricey to make it run with the 3080 though

To get all the specs for the 3080 to ruin to full potential atm

[humble hemlock]

ill buy that confirmation from you lol just curious was it EVGA?

@tepid hearth

[tepid hearth]

It was msi

@humble hemlock

[humble hemlock]

gotcha congrats man

[fallow vortex]

yo dudes, im kinda on a budget for a graphics card, is an rx5600 xt good for blender, and animation?

[faint kindle]

Hmm

[stark urchin]

bru

my whole build cost less than that

[tepid hearth]

Yeah true my build was cheaper

Why is it so expensive?

[faint kindle]

I think independent seller, scalper

[fallow vortex]

damn that sucks

what are the odds of the 3070 not getting scalped?

[faint kindle]

low, probably

[fallow vortex]

yea i was afraid of that, i could wait it out but my current pc is gonna brick itself in a couple of months

[night zealot]

@lofty karma the problem is as a partner of nividia they supply u with certain amount that u should sell as an independent product of theirs. they never posted 1 card in the market always the Pre Built and it gets out of stock then they renew it instantly so they already have them but they rather scam ppl for the extra money cuz if they weren't partners i am sure as hell they won't have 1 card of their own

[fallow vortex]

Oh, I also heard that 3rd part card for the 3000 series are gonna be sold in America's best buy stores

good thing i live near a best buy

[languid knot]

They will have stock eventually but not for another month or so

at least my best buy said that

[fallow vortex]

i need to check in with mine then

[marble karma]

Most people on this server will tell you to just ditch any kind of gaming laptop and get a decent computer
@lone pond I have a PC at home too. I work ~104 hours a week, so I do some photo editing and gaming while at work during any down time I have. While my pc is much better (rtx 2060 super with a Ryzen 3700x), I still have to rely on my laptop a lot too when I’m on the go

I’ll just save up for a new one

[royal copper]

ya if you have to move around a lot and need power than laptop maybe better

[marble karma]

I’ve had my laptop for ~4 years. The 1060 I have it in is starting to become rough when trying to keep up with some of the games I have, and definitely lacking when it comes to my photo editing. I just wasn’t aware laptop cards couldn’t be upgraded, as it’s the only gaming laptop I’ve ever had and did real well with everything I used it for up til the last 6 months or so

[royal copper]

very few can be upgraded kinda, some there is also egpu option but that a bit less mobile and expensive

[marble karma]

I doubt mine is one of them. It’s an MSI Apache Pro laptop, sounds like it’s more simplistic to just get a new one. This one will still make a decent work station to keep for the one job I have where it’s very basic paperwork on the go

[violet dock]

@faint kindle if you have someone whos scalping. Report it to newegg so it can get taken care of

[solemn panther]

AAAAAAAAAAG

best buy is trash fyi

newegg is all we got for now

[faint kindle]

Will do. I didn’t because it said out of stock, so I didn’t bother, just in case it was wrongly listed/taken off anyways

[languid knot]

Anyone hear the news about the FE cards?

[solemn panther]

yez

back to OW

[languid knot]

Kinda interesting. Sad that Nvidia thinks Best Buy will be good enough for the US market

[spice prawn]

that is old news

and there is technically no difference

FE was limited to best buy and nvidia's own online store before (for the US)

[languid knot]

Oh wow if that’s old news I’m glad I’m not still checking daily

The 20gb 3080 seems very good compared to the 3090 too. Odd move by Nvidia

[stone raft]

So was it confirmed that the 20gb is real?

[rapid herald]

Is a little gpu sag ok? It should I get a sag bracket.

[dense flicker]

a little is okay

bracket for like $15 is a good investment

https://www.amazon.com/upHere-Graphics-Anodized-Aerospace-Aluminum/dp/B076GYL25H/ref=sxin_10?ascsubtag=amzn1.osa.074674ad-2a62-41c0-9e17-17df8c80f73c.ATVPDKIKX0DER.en_US&creativeASIN=B076GYL25H&cv_ct_cx=gpu+bracket&cv_ct_id=amzn1.osa.074674ad-2a62-41c0-9e17-17df8c80f73c.ATVPDKIKX0DER.en_US&cv_ct_pg=search&cv_ct_wn=osp-single-source-gl-ranking&dchild=1&keywords=gpu+bracket&linkCode=oas&pd_rd_i=B076GYL25H&pd_rd_r=48a64e35-92f7-4a75-babe-d6d31f37a774&pd_rd_w=Ilqny&pd_rd_wg=YFSaS&pf_rd_p=26c7e498-3189-4918-a321-ec25e32964ce&pf_rd_r=Y6QF891RF6PAD6JSBQ22&qid=1602651154&sr=1-2-d9dc7690-f7e1-44eb-ad06-aebbef559a37&tag=digitaltren0b-20

alternatively you could try remounting your gpu

push up on it a bit while you tighten screws, and tighten them hard

with a scredriver

[terse bloom]

There was an article saying the 20GB will be out in December

Along with the 16GB 3070 too

@stone raft https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75553/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-with-20gb-rumored-for-december-2020-launch/index.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3YSUYclOBft5XIWzdOSbcRHNPW5Bd7IRq_RbCubIJIWWRWXC1jDK5-zwE

[quasi cobalt]

My GPU came yesterday

[frigid anvil]

1660 Ti is a pretty beast card ngl.

[lone pond]

Whats up guys, my friend is asking wether he should have either a dual 1080 ti setup or a singular 2080 ti setup? I told him to stick with a single 2080ti because dual GPUs are not like what they used to be? Do you think I was correct in doing so or no?

[spice prawn]

SLI = dead for most consumer use.

[lofty karma]

@lone pond u WOULD have more but slightly slower vram with sli'd 1080ti's ( 22gb ddr5x) , compared to a 2080ti (11gb ddr6) but I think a single 2080ti would be more efficient at this point

[lone pond]

Yes that is what I believe

[spice prawn]

@lofty karma gotta remember, no driver updates for it come Q1 2021

[lofty karma]

That too

This is gonna sound silly but if he can afford it sli 2080ti's XD ( if he still wants to sli)

[dreamy dragon]

Korn#1993 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[stone raft]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/jamqtk/received_my_autonotify_from_evga_for_the_ftw3/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[languid knot]

thats what im getting

well whenever evga step up goes through lol

[stone raft]

I put in a notify on 9/18

So hopefully this means I am close to getting a card

He put his in on 9/17

[humble hemlock]

damn i put my notify on 10/9 so i should get it by this time next year

[fluid star]

OK now 3090 pointless for many ppl cuz 20 gb 3080 up coming

[languid knot]

3090 should’ve already been pointless for many people. Double the cost without double the performance. Unless you need the 3090 for productivity it only made more sense if you wanted to spend the extra money for the best of the best

[languid knot]

To clarify, not pointless, just not a good use of money comparatively

[marsh charm]

I know that the RTX 3070 and the 5800x are not out right now but is the 5800x too much for the 3070

[lone pond]

Is worth getting an rx 570 used?

[crisp ocean]

when would you need more than 8GB of VRAM

[fervent obsidian]

unless you're doing like 4k 8 is fine

[crisp ocean]

even for 2160 x1440p

[crystal saffron]

didnt evga promise a restock like a week ago

on 3080s

[fervent obsidian]

8gb vram with 1440p is fine

[crisp ocean]

aight thankkssss

[stone raft]

didnt evga promise a restock like a week ago
@crystal saffron on their site or the other sites? Because right now for their site. It is basically just click notify and wait.

[civic harbor]

I know it hasnt been confirmed yet but does anyone know if a 3060 would be a good upgrade from a 4gb rx 570.

[chrome locust]

I know it hasnt been confirmed yet but does anyone know if a 3060 would be a good upgrade from a 4gb rx 570.
@civic harbor If a 2060 is much better than a 570 then a 3060 will be even better

[round mason]

https://youtu.be/zmbvUK93npo

[civic harbor]

@chrome locust true

[crystal saffron]

@stone raft on their forum when they announced the 3080 reservation thing, they said they would restock last week but i haven’t seen any restock on any stock notifiers for the last 10 days

[spice prawn]

ah that clickbait creator again?

[crystal saffron]

i don’t really trust him but didnt he predict the severity of the stock shortage aswell as nvidia being hesitant on the FE due to the expense of the cooler design

[spice prawn]

if you ask him

[crystal saffron]

or is there another variable

[spice prawn]

he has predicted everything correct

if you ignore that he has so far predicted just about ALL the things

(both wrong and right)

[fluid star]

[crystal saffron]

well if nvidia does have stock than a november restock seems reasonable

[spice prawn]

as in, a broken clock is correct at least twice a day

[crystal saffron]

but again nvidia might be dry

its a possibility for sure but not certain

[spice prawn]

ask yourself this

does it actually matter?

[fluid star]

doesnt it ?

[crystal saffron]

to me yeah im stuck on a 1050 laptop

[spice prawn]

buy something that is available.

that has always been the rule of thumb

[crystal saffron]

i think i lost my moment to buy a good priced used 2080ti

[spice prawn]

in the "will nvidia have stock at X date" scheme of things.

[languid knot]

Buy EVGA and do step up like I did if you really need a 30 series

[crystal saffron]

they are all back up in price because of stock shortage

[spice prawn]

there is no reason to even speculate

because we wont ever get actual numbers that would enable us to accurately predict things

we should in theory be able to look back on all of this in about 1-2 years and see what the heck actually happended

[crystal saffron]

i mean yeah its inconsequential unless your investing in the industry but i guess its in our nature to find something to look forward to

ill look into the step up program, looks interesting

[languid knot]

Ofc it’s always good to have something better and new to hope for, but sadly supply stifles hope. Especially with recent supply trends this year

Very easy to do. I signed up for the queue yesterday so we will see how long it takes but EVGA is super helpful and informative about it

[crystal saffron]

i remember someone saying that the right to deny anyone for any reason part of it might be used extensively on the 30 series but not sure

[languid knot]

Do be aware too that the only 3080 available is the FTW3 ultra so you will be paying $100usd over a FE or Tuf card

[crystal saffron]

the TUF has the best thermals right?

lol frankenstein cooling a 3080

maximum sag

[languid knot]

Yes and no. The tuf is one of the best so far but many haven’t been extensively tested the same way so for now it’s better

Also, I’m sure that EVGA CAN cancel the step up program at any time and if they need to they can, but with availability issues with both the 20 series and 30 series, it’s highly unlikely that availability will be the reason why. Along with this, they can technically put the step up users at a lower priority for stock so they can sell the initial stock first, then supply the step up program after.

[humble hemlock]

^^^ was thinking the same, It would make more sense to them financially if the sell stock first even if it does seem unfair.

[languid knot]

not unfair imo. Being in step up a a luxury and doesn't have to be guaranteed

[brave brook]

Is 318 for a 2060 including tax a good price?

Or should I wait till it drops down more

[spice prawn]

msrp of it is 300

[languid knot]

^

[wraith shard]

is it safe to bring my steam folder from my harddrive to an ssd

[brisk flame]

why bother just leave it on the hdd

[wraith shard]

i tryed to install gta but it wont let me install it onto my ssd

just my c drive

[brisk flame]

why would you want to install it to your ssd

put it on your hdd

waaaaait. you have an hdd and an ssd. which one is windows installed to?

[wraith shard]

cus i got the ssd for more space. and dont game run better on then eneyway

[fervent shore]

oh no

[brisk flame]

no, games dont run better on ssd

you want to install windows 10 on your ssd

[fervent shore]

well games load faster on ssd

[brisk flame]

yeah, a handful do

[fervent shore]

not really better though

[brisk flame]

the potential of the ssd is wasted if windows is not installed to it

i would suggest you go do that now

[wraith shard]

what progam do i need to send my OS form my harddrive to my ssd

[brisk flame]

you could use macrium reflect, but i would suggest just reinstalling windows

instead of moving it

how long have you been using this installation of windows?

[wraith shard]

about a year

[brisk flame]

eh, i guess thats not too bad

i would suggest using macrium reflect to move os

there are tutorials online and such, there are people here who can help you

but i gtg in like 10 mins

so i cant