and that is both xbox and playstation.
#graphics-cards
spice prawn
open spade
The actual hardware of the Xbox series x has a integrated gpu
spice prawn
just like the playstation has
and both of those are made by amd
with current (zen2) gen CPU and next gen (RDNA2) GPU integrated into a custom designed APU.
again, this is not a secret
this has been public knowledge for a long time.
open spade
Just because they’re made by amd doesn’t mean they’re next gen
fervent obsidian
open spade
They are roughly comparable to a 2080 super at best
spice prawn
and that has what meaning on it being a "next gen" part? [edit: it]
open spade
Next gen implies things that aren’t in the market currently
spice prawn
no
not really.
but that part aside. The GPU (family) that will be used in the next gen consoles, is NOT currently in use in anything. Also, raytracing hardware.
open spade
Yes but that’s because they’re custom made for the new consoles they are designed for those and nothing else
spice prawn
which is what i said earlier.
open spade
Dwella made it sound like next gen consoles will be running brand new graphics cards (like 3080)
spice prawn
they will
they will be using RDNA2 based GPU's (that they are integrated with a zen2 cpu in a APU, is a minor detail)
merry rune
that's what RDNA2 is, AMD's 3000 series equivalent
open spade
They won’t because a 3080 will be more powerful than what the Xbox series x can run
open spade
On paper the new console gpus are 3000 yes but that doesn’t mean the 3080s will come out this year
open spade
Well going back to what started this you said that they were coming out this year and someone else said they will launch in the new consoles but my point is if they were launching this year as consumer products they would’ve been officially announced by nividia
spice prawn
there is plenty of time to announce things.
and as i said, Nvidia are in the (currently) stronger position. So they can easily take a "wait and see" approach
also, keep in mind, we have had supposed (nvidia) 3000 series board picture leaks for a good while now
open spade
While that is true I personally think since their products especially on the newer side are expensive they might announce earlier since they have the stronger position to get people to get ready/ hyped about a new card set
Leaks technically don’t mean anything certain
spice prawn
IF the industry does like it has done since the late 90's. That is a fairly solid indicator that we are "inside of 6 months" from launch.
your stance is jumping all over the place.
open spade
I just think that if they we’re coming this year they would’ve been announced to some extent besides them being in custom console gpus
wicked hound
do you have proof of them doing that before?
announcing say 8+ months before release?
for the gaming side of things
spice prawn
why announce way way before they launch? that makes absolutely no logical sense.
spice prawn
and again, why announce that far ahead?
open spade
Why not?
open spade
That is true but that would also prep people for the newest gen
wicked hound
so when did Nvidia announce 4 months away? To make these speculations you have to have something to back it up
or 3
their "early" showcases are for the major workstation/server side of things, like Volta or Ampere A100
all of their "gaming" (GeForce GTX/RTX series) announcements havent been that early
open spade
But with the pandemic the market has changed
People don’t have as much disposable income on average to work with
wicked hound
it can change, not it will change
AMD is still staying on track
So why can't Nvidia?
open spade
I’m not saying they can’t stay on track I’m saying that if they wait to long to announce then their sales on the next generation of gpus will be down because while a year ago some people would be able to drop a crap ton of money with little notice that’s less true now
spice prawn
as Anand used to say: There are no bad products, only bad prices.
bitter jungle
the N1 is a bad product
wicked hound
not at being an IED
spice prawn
and i would personally see it as a positive IF the gpu launch prices went down a notch.
open spade
Here’s the thing: I consider myself a average tech consumer maybe a little more than average but fairly average and if I was told a week from now that a new gpu is coming out and it will be $900 I could reasonably start putting aside a little extra cash for it but if I was told in November the same thing is coming to 2 weeks I would just dismiss it as an impossibility for me
spice prawn
because the have risen to fairly silly levels
a 900usd gpu is not for you (imo)
it should imo, NOT even be something that was ever recommended to the average or even above average consumer.
because that is a silly level of money for 1 (out of many parts) in a machine.
(for the average consumer that is)
open spade
Well say I have a high end or plan on building a high end pc and my budget was already $2K I think 900 usd would be fine
At least for a gaming machine (with streaming)
spice prawn
at that point, you are way beyond average
open spade
Well let’s assume I’ve been saving for a year and it’s a personal reward for doing something that I thought to be impossible a year ago (like lose 100lbs or something) and ive never had anything even decent before
Idk it’s just a scenario
The point is a 4 month notice is better than a two week for 99% of people
spice prawn
in your scenario, you already have X saved.
so the "X month" notice is a moot point.
open spade
Yeah I guess but like either way for most people prior notice is far superior to right before
spice prawn
from a personal preference, yes.
but from a company POV? not going to happen
it would basically kill their sales of the current products over night.
so as mentioned, it makes no logical sense to do (for them)
lone pond
Will all of the gpus for the 30 series be stronger than a 2080 ti
spice prawn
@lone pond ask yourself this question: Are all the 2000 series GPU's faster than the 1080ti?
lone pond
I don’t know
spice prawn
no is the simple answer.
lone pond
What will be the estimate price of a 3080
spice prawn
we dont know.
lone pond
What’s ur best guess
spice prawn
i dont guess about stuff like that, because people that ask (like you are doing right now) will just jump to conclusions based on that. Without taking the time to actually remember that it was only a guess [Edit: + jump]
been in this "game" for way too long to guess about stuff like that.
royal copper
probably wouldn't help much estimating the price before anyway. best just to wait for release and see if it interests you
hollow zephyr
https://offerup.co/KKn9icZeK8
This worth it??
wicked hound
prices are determined basically right before announcements. So even Jensen doesnt really know what the prices will be. Best guess anyone can have, even in Nvidia itself, is general ideas of what pricing could be
hollow zephyr
That 580 a good deal??
bitter jungle
eh. it's okay
rigid crag
Your not gonna get it
hollow zephyr
im trying to upgrade my 950
rigid crag
I messaged that same guy about 2 months ago
Never got back
Never even read the message
hollow zephyr
frfr?
rigid crag
Ya, I messaged him and made him an offer. Didn't get back and the offer expired
So generally speaking, thats a respectable price for the card, but your not gonna get that particular card lol
bitter jungle
there are some flakey people like that on OfferUp and Mercari sadly
bitter jungle
yep
rigid crag
I have probably 15 messages that were never even read
Some of the stuff was posted recently too
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
dreamy condor
2060 or 1660Ti laptop variants
hollow zephyr
2060
upper mural
ePiC. Better become patron too
near elk
someone trying to give me a 2080 for free....????
spice prawn
@near elk hm?
lament stag
hm indeed
torn tundra
@near elk no begging
wary anvil
I is confused
spice prawn
@torn tundra read again.
torn tundra
@spice prawn I did. Modern slang makes that clearly him asking for a free 2080
wary anvil
I would say that someone is trying to give him a free 2080
brisk flame
there are two ways to interpret that statement, CompHarrison is jokingly asking for someone to give him a 2080 lol
im an old xeon cpu is right
slim sorrel
Hello, totally new to anything like this but here is my problem.
HI, i would like to upgrade my GPU. This is an old computer. Here are the specs.
OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Version 10.0.18362 Build 18362
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name DESKTOP-C9K1M1R
System Manufacturer Dell Inc.
System Model Studio 540
System Type x64-based PC
System SKU
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9650 @ 3.00GHz, 3003 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Dell Inc. 1.1.3, 8/25/2009
SMBIOS Version 2.5
Embedded Controller Version 255.255
BIOS Mode Legacy
BaseBoard Manufacturer Dell Inc.
BaseBoard Product 0M017G
BaseBoard Version A00
Platform Role Desktop
Secure Boot State Unsupported
PCR7 Configuration Binding Not Possible
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot
i mainly just need a better one for video editing. No gaming.
wary anvil
@slim sorrel You might consider upgrading the CPU first
ocean quarry
Only thing that list is missing is GPS. Lol
slim sorrel
did that. I believe that is the best this computer can do.
well not sure what is needed
wary anvil
What is the computer?
ocean quarry
Dell.Studio 540
slim sorrel
Dell Studio 540. I know ancient but i needed a dedicated computer to do all this covid online teaching
i've done reseach and most problems stem from windows 10 or bios. Everything is as good as i can get it
wary anvil
So the issue is it having problems editing videos?
slim sorrel
right, most of the video editors I've tried to down load say that the video card is not sufficient
wary anvil
Good news is the tower uses a standard ATX form factor, so things can be swapped in and out. What is your budget?
slim sorrel
pretty good. what are you suggesting?
wary anvil
First off, how much ram do you have?
slim sorrel
8
wary anvil
Might also consider upgrading that
void quest
16min
wary anvil
Do you know what the wattage on your power supply is?
slim sorrel
400
wary anvil
Might also need to upgrade that
slim sorrel
lol so a new computer
alpine geyser
build a new pc at this point 😂
slim sorrel
well its doing okay for my need except the editing portion. running obs and several other programs no problem
slim sorrel
what? the school department? lolol you don't work for a school system do you.
wary anvil
I do actually
slim sorrel
really? well with covid things are tight here
wary anvil
Understandable
slim sorrel
luck i still have a job
wary anvil
We talking $100, $500, $1000?
void quest
he said 400
wary anvil
400W PSU
wary anvil
A chromebook. Points for effort I guess
void quest
u
parts can be expensive if you dont budget.. gotta look what best fit the budget and needs
wary anvil
^
void quest
i was able to build my first pc (which im currently on) with these guys help
slim sorrel
i can scrape 200 for a new gpu. again, i don't need anything powerful. just got to get off the this g45/g35 that came with the pc.
alpine geyser
I built mine from YouTube ☹️
void quest
lol youtube and here helped for me
wary anvil
Okay
So a few options
There's a video editor called kdenlive that doesn't require a GPU. For simple video editing, it's enough
wary anvil
kdenlive is also free
slim sorrel
i will certainly look into both of those. Thanks
wary anvil
If you still need a better GPU, a 1650 is probably what you'll be looking at
slim sorrel
sorry, is that nvidia?
void quest
just upgrade your gpu and ram if anything not sure about the cpu
wary anvil
If you have extra ram slots open, you can also get some more ram which will really smooth things out
void quest
ram is needed for multi-tasking
slim sorrel
thanks to everyone for their input. I think i've maxed out this pc 4slots at 2g a piece
void quest
i think he has a hdd
wary anvil
That's storage
void quest
would be good if u upgrade that to an ssd also
slim sorrel
looking for ram dat. staorage is 500 on system and 2t on other storage
void quest
damn i think he runs on DDR2 rams
slim sorrel
that soound right
wary anvil
Do you know whether it's an HDD or SSD?
slim sorrel
HDD
void quest
SSD + GPU upgrade
slim sorrel
when I origanlly got it, i tweaked it as much as i could
wary anvil
How many sata ports does your motherboard have?
void quest
u can use ur hdd as a secondary
use the ssd to boot
if you want u can get a 1TB+ SSD
slim sorrel
just 2
slim sorrel
i have to HDD ports and two dvd
slim sorrel
now-a-days thats true
wary anvil
You really don't even need one for most cases
slim sorrel
I have a large dvd collection
slim sorrel
that asus Geforce... does it have any issues that you know with windows 10?
wary anvil
None that I know of
slim sorrel
I also saw may posts on difficulty with the bios. Trust me my bios is the latest it's going to get
wary anvil
In general, don't bother with the bios unless the computer is actively malfunctioning
slim sorrel
all-in-all i think I have enough to work on with the two programs and the Asus. Thanks for all the help everyone
wary anvil
Cool 👍
rocky siren
hey guys, i have a radeon rx580 and i was thinking about getting another video card to go crossfire. Yay or nay what u guys think
mostly for gaming
ocean quarry
Imo crossfire never seemed worth it, but I haven't run a system with it any time recently either.
At least for gaming
ionic portal
Crossfire is currently horrible and is not worth it
I also have a radeon rx580 but I’m just going to upgrade it to a 2060 or 2070
Two graphics cards usually isn’t the best choice
Graphics card 1 does 100% of the work then Graphics Card 2 does about 20-40% more in crossfire
It also depends if your motherboard is even compatible
plucky lion
Does anyone know when the GTX GeForce 2070 super OC white is coming back in stock
royal copper
no, even retail support doesn't know much about when items restock
merry rune
it might not, supposedly nvidia has ended production because 3000 series is ramping up
not a guarantee that you won't see any stock come back, but if true, it means that any restocks that happen could be the last
bitter jungle
for pure performance only, GTX 780 TI or RX 570 4gb?
rigid crag
Pretty sure 780ti wins
lone pond
is the MSI RX-580 ARMOR 8GB OC good for gaming?
bitter jungle
RX 580 is pretty good for gaming, but the armor series isn't good
lone pond
oh
bitter jungle
loud and poor thermals
lone pond
oh ok
lilac lodge
Thermal on my RX480 Armor 4GB has been doing fine, just make sure you have a 1-in gap between the GFx and the next card
mighty oasis
My 570 armour is always fine thermally.
bitter jungle
is it loud?
patent wharf
I’m gonna be building my first pc soon (mainly for gaming/streaming etc.) and I can’t decide between the RX 570 and the 1650 super. Which should I go for?
alpine geyser
1650s is one of the BEST bang for buck cards @patent wharf
it’s only $40 more and has about 20% better performance.
lone pond
@alpine geyser I've personally experienced a 1650 and it's not what it's cut out to be
Mine constantly struggles and freeze frames on any modern game and even older games struggle on any past medium graphics
hollow zephyr
@patent wharf get a rx580
buoyant stone
Is a 2070 super for $405 good?
wary anvil
That's a good price for 2060s, let alone a 2070s
bitter jungle
@patent wharf get a rx580
@hollow zephyr 1650 super > RX 580 for new builds.
RX 580 > 1650 super for used builds
1650 super performance about as well or better, but is quieter and used less power
hexed nova
what about a 1660
bitter jungle
1660 is better than both, but it raises too much in price for not enough performance gain
If you’re getting a 1660, get a super
Normal 1660 and 1660 TI aren’t great value
granite juniper
yea they kinda got replaced by the 1650 and 1660 supers
solemn basin
Just purchased this last night: https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-gtx-1650-super-04g-p4-1257-kr/p/N82E16814487496?Item=N82E16814487496
However, not sure it's going to fit my existing desktop, which is the Inspiron 3670 Desktop PC, 8th Gen Intel Core i7 w/ 12gb RAM.
valid stream
I hope that AMD can someday make a top tier competitor for Nvidia.
I used to roll with AMD GPU's until some of the new games were so glitchy and I had card failures.
arctic phoenix
most of em are fixed
spice prawn
so much astroturfing going on
wary anvil
AMD is claiming to have a flagship competitor, but we'll see if it actually is
dawn cedar
nah nvidia is still coming out on top
the new amd card was rumored to be 50% faster than the 2080ti ... then 30% ... then 15%
no way is it outperforming the nvidia flagship
granite juniper
:v no selling
high hollow
brisk flame
nope
brisk flame
dont you have 2 of em to sell?
granite juniper
id recommend ebay or hardwareswap or local sites
fast grail
a nyone selling like super cheap
timid wind
:v no selling
@fast grail
charred oxide
Is a 1660 super the best graphics card you can buy for $250?
wary anvil
Outside of sales, probably yes
ocean quarry
^ (I have one)
rigid crag
I wouldnt say that
Its a fairly nice price to performance card tbh. Sure you can get nicer if your buying used but... eh. Still a decent card
naive smelt
whats the next best gpu?
lone pond
@rich oasis yeah I have the 1650, the guy asked about it, he didn't mention the super, sorry for any misunderstanding
wary anvil
Next best after what?
wary anvil
Next best would be the 2080 super
plucky lion
What 2070 super would someone reccomend to me that are in stock and good I wanted the white rtx GeForce gigabyte but there outta stock help!
brisk flame
if youre looking for literally any 2070s, get the cheapest one you can find
lone pond
Gigabytes windforce
plucky lion
There gone
lone pond
I thought they restocked?
plucky lion
I saved up enough money to buy the card and there not restocking anymore
lone pond
Well another good one is the msi 2070 supers
plucky lion
Gone
lone pond
Hold on lemme look
plucky lion
I just looked at the msis
wary anvil
They're still restocking 2070s
brisk flame
plucky lion
Im triggered 5 months of saving for the gigabyte windforce and there gone
brisk flame
this evga one good tho
lone pond
Well the prices will probably drop soon anyway so it's not a bad idea to wait
With the 30 series dropping and all
brisk flame
rip
lone pond
the EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 Super KO Gaming, 08G-P4-2072-KR, 8GB GDDR6, Dual Fans
its available with plenty of sellers to choose from
and theres one more founders edition
plucky lion
Where at
lone pond
amazon
and if you want a plain 2070 for a good price and has 3 fans on it for great cooling you can get the
MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 2070 8GB GDRR6 256-Bit HDMI/DP DirectX 12 VR Ready Ray Tracing Turing Architecture HDCP Graphics Card (RTX 2070 TRI FROZR), (Model: GeForce RTX 2070 TRI FROZR)
wary anvil
@plucky lion https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WN6RVHH?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 is this the GPU?
wary anvil
Yeah
lone pond
actually
wary anvil
The windforce is super overpriced right now
lone pond
for $9 more asus has their overclocked 2070 super on amazon
brisk flame
dm me link
plucky lion
It's 700$ it's supposed to be 500 lol
lone pond
will take a bit to get here but almost same price with great quality
lone pond
im actually a big IT guy i study and am certified/qualified in IT hardware
brisk flame
in stock on sept 6
lone pond
that asus is probably a great deal though for a few reasons
brisk flame
its temporarily oos
lone pond
overclocked for those who dont know how to safely do it themselves
2 fans which is common but still better than a one fan card
alpine geyser
I have the OCable version and never do it lol
lone pond
its not aluminum looking like some of the EVGA cards
plucky lion
😫 😫
alpine geyser
that’s my moms bday
plucky lion
Bruhhh
alpine geyser
gigabyte has the best looking cards imo
plucky lion
^
brisk flame
zotac has best looking cards hands down
wary anvil
im actually a big IT guy i study and am certified/qualified in IT hardware
@lone pond okay, who asked though
alpine geyser
👁👄👁
wary anvil
plucky lion
I just want the dam card lmao
brisk flame
pogg
lone pond
i was just saying im not some 12yro who sends the first thing and says "OOOOOOHHHHHHH RTX GOOD"
wary anvil
basically any 2070s will work
brisk flame
sorry Exil, but were all a bunch of goofy teenagers lol
lone pond
not saying any of you are uneducated btw
brisk flame
lol its fine
lone pond
it seems the few here ive spoken to are pretty well known to their hardware
plucky lion
Need one that looks good and imo the only ones that do is msis 2070 super and gigabytes
lone pond
(or spoiled with daddys money)
plucky lion
Rip
alpine geyser
@plucky lion you’re gonna hate me but there’s a 2070s founders on Best Buy site
lone pond
yeah
wary anvil
Basically, we'll assume you know at least basic hardware until you say something stupid
plucky lion
🤯🤯
brisk flame
RTX cards hard to get ahold of rn due to nvidia chip supply and them ramping up ampere production, if youre set on buying now, take any 2070s you can get your hands on
alpine geyser
sike sold out
lone pond
the EVGA are actually great quality but they just look aluminum and trashy
alpine geyser
^ I hate metal look ☹️
brisk flame
this is literally the only decently priced card i could find, this is literally your only option, get it while its still here
https://www.walmart.com/ip/EVGA-GeForce-RTX-2070-Super-Black-Gaming-Graphics-Card/462739726
alpine geyser
I like the MSI 2060 I just got simply because it’s Aluminium but the logo is rgb and goes well
lone pond
yeah msi has a good record for good looking hardware
alpine geyser
$520 is good
lone pond
however, their peripherals and pre-builts are sheer garbage
brisk flame
wary anvil
They just don't have a record for good cooling or ethics
brisk flame
also this
plucky lion
Btw I have a white and black bulid
alpine geyser
gpus look sooo much better all black I wouldn’t even spend $500 if it wasn’t exactly what I wanted
wary anvil
The windforce I like
plucky lion
Stop lol I've never wanted that for 5months and now I can't lop
wary anvil
That is a good looking card
lone pond
their advertized "upgradeable console killer desktop" is unupgradeable due to the specially made external power supply and it is made with 2 very important components that are laptop form
so i dont trust msi very much
brisk flame
msi kinda goofy sometimes
lone pond
yeah they are
however
their motherboards are more or less top of the line
competing with ASUS
lone pond
yeah, gigabyte is another that i find on par with ASUS
alpine geyser
Gigabyte is so good on quality as well as design
brisk flame
ASrock is the king of cheap mobos tho
wary anvil
And they both have the bios flashback, which is super nice
brisk flame
ASrock has the best cheap boards, and their taichi boards are good
thats just about it
wary anvil
Yup
alpine geyser
I’m in LOVE with the new aorus 550, things hot af and motherboards aren’t even my thing
plucky lion
Hey so
wary anvil
I'm rocking an asrock right now
lone pond
yeah, i like asrock but due to being cheaper boards, they also have some setbacks
performance overall is the same as the better ones
plucky lion
Should I down grade to a 2060 for my first ever pc bc they have the one I want in 2060 version?
lone pond
it just has lower amounts of ports and cooling
wary anvil
Sassy found a windforce though
lone pond
well @plucky lion , are you willing to lose 5-6 fps?
alpine geyser
ehhh more than that
wary anvil
lone pond
because a 2060 super is almost on par with the 2070 super as long as you use 1080p
alpine geyser
from a 2070s to a 2060 is quite significant
plucky lion
I do
wary anvil
2070 super windforce for 550
alpine geyser
yes the 2060 super is better
plucky lion
Now I'm debating if I should get
MSI - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 PCI Express 3.0 Graphics Card - Black/Gray
Or the gigabyte
lone pond
ofc its more than that, but im saying its not something appalling
lone pond
youre better off just waiting dude
alpine geyser
I know
wary anvil
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GIGABYTE-GeForce-RTX-2070-Super-GAMING-OC-3X-8G-Graphics-Card-3-x-WINDFORCE-Fan/303270378671
Here
2070 super evga windforce from newegg's official store, $549.99
alpine geyser
I figured 2070 would be interpreted as 2070s lol
plucky lion
Ik I have the money finally to get everything and I want it now lop
alpine geyser
you could buy used
wary anvil
More than 10 available
lone pond
yeah man just get the 2070s
alpine geyser
then have more cash for the 3000 series if you wanted to
wary anvil
lone pond
its amazing price-performance ratio
alpine geyser
^^
wary anvil
There's the very card you wanted, at the normal price, from newegg
wary anvil
windforce is always a bit more expensive
brisk flame
meh cooler, but still good enough
lone pond
the 2060s is also really good but for less of a wait, you have less ability to enjoy 1440p or higher, the full 144fps your monitor handles, and RTX ON if youre interested
wary anvil
definetly worth the $30 for the windforce imo
alpine geyser
so spend $30 for triple fan and better looks orrrr don’t
lone pond
yeah
the extra cash will save you some overall
because you will otherwise most likely need better cooling to keep it under control at full load
wary anvil
... and RTX ON ...
Please never say that again
plucky lion
I'm getting a water cooler Corsair Soo
plucky lion
Lmao
brisk flame
lol
wary anvil
No
brisk flame
RTX cringe broh
plucky lion
Lol
lone pond
its not the best
wary anvil
It's just sounds like a really cheesy sponser slot
lone pond
thats why i said "if youre interested"
but also dropping from 70 to 60 you have even less ability to enjoy the potential of your drivers
slight difference, but the better hardware will get better performance for the drivers
brisk flame
eh
wary anvil
Just get the 2070 super and wait the few days for shipping
It's free wegg shipping, should be there in less than a week
brisk flame
2070 super is a solid card, he can use it for like 5 years
lone pond
and im expecting soon with the 30 series they will be releasing even better drivers
yeah bro, just get it or wait for one on amazon
wary anvil
They're releasing new drivers all the time
plucky lion
September 30 series realising
lone pond
i have a 1650 😦
plucky lion
Prolly
brisk flame
i mean, its still a great 1080p card
brisk flame
1650 is better than the original titan lol
lone pond
my 1650 freeze frames a lot
brisk flame
sounds like a non hardware issue
alpine geyser
just why did Nvidia create a 2000 series with the 1080 still topping some of them? like, it’s not logical but what do I know lol
lone pond
actually it is lmfao, im using a prebuilt my mom bought
brisk flame
its always been like that
lone pond
the msi trident 3
alpine geyser
I know it just hurts my brain
brisk flame
marketing
alpine geyser
ohhhh true
wary anvil
just why did Nvidia create a 2000 series with the 1080 still topping some of them? like, it’s not logical but what do I know lol
@alpine geyser Why did intel release 10th gen if the 9900k still beats the 10300?
wary anvil
It's incremental improvements across the board
lone pond
the laptop hard drive and ram in it slow the system so much that my gpu is bottlenecked insanely
lone pond
cant change the drive in this system
alpine geyser
😬😬
lone pond
the drive is on the bottom of the mobo
lone pond
you can, but it requires taking this apart, msi said themselves its not made for that
ocean quarry
Most the time there is a panel you can open to access the drive.
lone pond
and you CAN exchange the ram in this system but im building a desktop soon so im just gonna ignore that
also...
alpine geyser
ohhh good good
ocean quarry
Ehh, msi. Rip
lone pond
my mom got this pc from a rent to own place
so i cant change anything in it until its paid off
wary anvil
Oh wirra
lone pond
shes not the best pc shopper
alpine geyser
anyone care about my flipping mods??? 🙂
lone pond
although...
alpine geyser
no? Okay
lone pond
anyone wanna see the system im gonna build soon?
alpine geyser
yes
lone pond
send the the flipping mods
rich oasis
@lone pond yes he did lmao he said 1650s
lone pond
im curious
alpine geyser
guess how much this was
lone pond
oh my bad sorry
lone pond
$30?
alpine geyser
$60. fans and hub and controller were 32, cables 28. I was happy w my purchases
lone pond
i like i like
alpine geyser
🤩
austere osprey
so, to whoever can help me with this.. I got a Radeon RX 580 series Graphics card that for some reason, the utilization is always pinned somewhere between 85-100%, regardless of what I have open, could someone help me figure out why this is happening?
jovial meteor
Can really use some advice or input from someone about now three 2080 Tis. I currently own three Strix 2080 Ti OC edition cards. Two of them, in the exact same spot - have the cracked choke in picture, identical to each other. Was running sli when I started noticing problems where I was having to disable and renable in device manager as the cards were getting locked at 600 core clock and were acting as if they weren't even working. Disassembled the system and cards to find it. Purchased a third hoping one of the other two would work when bridged but they don't. Now my third one, video display went out last night and I've done nothing with it at all. Beyond frustrated as Asus hasn't responded in over two weeks. At a loss.
upper mural
I dont have any luck with the manufactures. They string you along and then start ignoring your questions after a while. I just RMA my parts and move on. But this seems like a problem that you may want to pass on to Gamers Nexus or Linus to get resolved
spice prawn
@jovial meteor who did you buy the parts from?
wicked hound
Asus is pretty bad as a company tbh, so I wouldnt expect nice support from them. Just gotta almost spam them with RMA requests until they answer or smth
jovial meteor
It's ridiculous. Only reason I even bought two more was for sli. Originally the one extra, then the third hoping one of the other two would work. 2080 super, 2070, 2060 Ko and a 2060 super, all evga. All solid. Will be sticking with them from now on
wicked hound
Well, ROG 2080Ti is one of the best. Good VRMs which is solid for XOC BIOS
jovial meteor
Cards are too expensive to crap out. I know that's what u don't understand.
wicked hound
but Asus as a company... Hate them
jovial meteor
Same here
wicked hound
and I dont even own any Asus product iirc
none in my main PC I know, could have some random Asus thing around
Anyways, as Cru4y said, probs contact GN or LTT to get them get Asus to contact you
idk much of LTT, but I do know GN does well in that regard
spice prawn
@jovial meteor get the seller to handle the rma on behalf of you. It is "their" sale afterall
if things dont work, a simple refund should be quick to approve from their side
jovial meteor
@spice prawn I'll most definitely give that a shot. Really appreciate it.
spice prawn
because i cannot see how it should be YOUR problem that amazon and newegg has sold you something that doesnt work.
(and yes, i know, consumer laws are weird in the US)
lone pond
no, it would be weird to hold amazon and newegg responsible for manufacturers defects
spice prawn
IF you buy something, and it doesnt work. as in. DOA. It is not your problem, it is the company that has sold you that device.
because they did not do their part in the transaction.
jovial meteor
Oh no I understand the DOA thing, I've had them
They're under warranty until 2023
I bought them both within the last year
Asus actually responded after my 3rd-4th email in assisting in creating an RMA
spice prawn
@jovial meteor the DOA comment was for @lone pond
lone pond
A doa is entirely different than something you've used for some time.
spice prawn
not from a "handling the RMA process" POV
i will happily agree that any vendor would strongly prefer that you (the consumer) dealt directly with the manufacturer. But you (the vendor) are generally considered the one that has to handle it.
lone pond
you're not going to RMA to newegg or amazon years later.
spice prawn
depends on the warranty.
lone pond
and shouldn't. the very idea of that is stupid.
that's not how a warranty works in the US.
jovial meteor
Its all good, I've gotten in touch with ASUS. Hopefully it works out.
lone pond
you're never going to send to amazon or newegg if you've used the product a considerable period of time. you're going to RMA the manufacturer
spice prawn
IF you are in the extended warranty period (that the manufacturer might offer) then yes. In any other case, it is the vendor that sold it to you, that has to deal with the rma.
because that is what warranty actually is.
upper mural
I won’t knock Asus in all categories tho. They have some of the most reliable motherboards in the 200$+ range.
ocean quarry
I used to use asus all the time. Until I had to deal with them on a warranty item.
cedar totem
Does anyone the average of how many milliliters of liquid are in a average loop with a distro plate
kind socket
does anyone know of a 45 degree diagonal gpu mount?
rigid crag
Not sure if that exists, but it sounds cool lol
upper mural
i was looking for one as well. I think only some cases come with that special setup
bitter jungle
does anyone know of a 45 degree diagonal gpu mount?
metal saw
wary anvil
^
royal copper
mmm
dawn cedar
that would look sick
@kind socket most pcie extensions are just cables and not stiff brackets. if you have the space, you could drill a screw hole into the back of the case to mount the gpu at whatever angle u want
kind socket
is there a way without drilling?
wary anvil
You could try building an internal frame that connects to the PCIe slot screws
kind socket
ya maybe
rigid crag
Gonna be a real piece of work getting the rear io of the gpu to be accessible tho
kind socket
ya lol
dawn cedar
@kind socket drilling would be on the back of the case and pretty low risk
dawn cedar
u can try but i doubt it will line up
kind socket
ehh it would prolly fall
kind socket
lol
dawn cedar
id just drill a hole
kind socket
hmm o k
half goblet
should i get a 1650s or rx 580
grizzled nimbus
which 580 @half goblet
rich oasis
@half goblet 1650s
alpine geyser
if the 580 is an 8gb, then that. If not, 1650s
bitter jungle
1650 super > RX 580
lone pond
I legit wanna spray paint my GPU
dawn cedar
do it
bitter jungle
On the shroud, that's okay, but on the backflate or GPU itself nah
dawn cedar
backplate should be fine
just not the pcb if it doesnt have a backplate
also avoid the bearings on the fans tho
granite juniper
or just take the backplate off and paint it
bitter jungle
backplate can get hot tho. paint could melt right
granite juniper
eh
quick crater
Friends graphics card (Red Devil 5700xt) causes the system, to black screen and then reboot any suggestions on how to try and fix or just use the warrenty
granite juniper
spraypaint should be good for at least 200-250f or like 100-120c, shouldnt really be an issue melting
spice prawn
is that a serious question?
kind socket
no
spice prawn
then post it in #general-chat
kind socket
k
rigid crag
It should run a steady 60fps but if your looking for more comp performance a 1660 super might be a worthwhile upgrade
What cpu you pairing it with?
proper dragon
I3 9100f
proper dragon
Yes
rigid crag
Then your gonna want something a little more powerful imo
If your willing to shop used you could save a little
proper dragon
Ok how about scrap mechanic
rigid crag
Whats that lol
Google told me.
I recommend searching on yt the specs your tryna get and a specific game and youll find benchmarks that'll give you a better picture on what to expect
proper dragon
Ok
finite oak
Why is there six plugs but only 4 output plugs
lone pond
It’s red and black
finite oak
GIGABYTE - 8G NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 PCI Express 3.0 Graphics Card - Black/Gray
With this card
worn cliff
who else is ready to regret getting a 20 series gpu when they announce 30 series gpus for the same price but way better performance
mortal thistle
wary anvil
@worn cliff That always happens, it's no biggie. If anything it's exciting, because it means that tech had goteen that much better 🙂
worn cliff
But also im poor and my 2070S likely isnt gonna resell for much
@mortal thistle And it kinda depends on who you ask. The 2080S is like 700 USD, right? The 2070S is 500 and has pretty similar performance in most things with a few exceptions here or there. RT is where the high-end cards benefit the most, because they get loads of RT cores
merry rune
i see a ton of reviews for the xfx thicc 5600XT but none for the raw II, anyone have any experience or heard anything good/bad about the raw II 5600 xt?
looking at picking one up for like $225 used
rigid crag
The 3000 series launch won't make 2000 series cards any less powerful @worn cliff
chrome copper
rigid crag
Most likely 740
runic dawn
anyone know a good cpu pairing with a gtx 1660super
bitter jungle
for what budget
spare relic
Lots of things tbh
bitter jungle
yeah, so we need a budget
runic dawn
around 200$
runic dawn
ok
cyan dragon
You guys have been so helpful, thank you.
I need 1x more piece of advice, please.
Computer: Dell XPS 8920 - Silver Edition
Old Graphics Card: (don't laugh) GeForce 8400GS
Looking to update the graphics card, so I can run 3x monitors. I don't do any gaming on my PC but would like a middle of the line card, any suggestions?
sonic mural
Why do you want a middle of the line card if you aren't gaming on it?
spare relic
You could get a GT 730, GT 1030
I have a GT 730, it's okay
If you want 3 monitors, you'll have to make sure it has 3 ports, and also that it uses the kind of ports you want to use
VGA, DVI, HDMI, DP
sacred tendon
Hello everyone, I have a quick question about a specific model of a rtx 2070 I was thinking of getting
cyan dragon
@sonic mural cause I do other things with my CPU & the 3 monitors, that require a bit of performance
@spare relic that card only has 2x video outputs. I would need some type of splitter then, to do the 3rd monitor, correct?
sacred tendon
Would it be worth buying a GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 DirectX 12 GV-N2070WF2-8GD Model for around $399 or a a RTX 2060 for around $340-$350
ocean quarry
I'd suggest a Super
wicked hound
2060 should be about $300, the $2060 Super should be $400, and the 2070 should be about $400. On average the 2060S will have better cooling then then the 2070 non S at the same price point.
spare relic
There are GT cards with 3 video outputs
Most of them have something like VGA, HDMI, DVI
So you'd be stuck with one monitor that's analog
There's the 1650 or 1650 Super, which has 3 digital outputs
spare relic
HD 5570 has 3 ports 
alpine phoenix
I want to buy the Sapphire Radeon 5700 XT with core clock 1840 MHz, but it's on back order. How long will it take to come back in stock? Should I just get the one with 1770 MHz core clock?
spare relic
I don't see any reason to go for a factory OC card, as you can just overclock it anyways
alpine phoenix
Oh ok, they're not binned for OC or anything?
bitter jungle
Nope
alpine phoenix
well that's good information, thank you!
lilac lodge
If you want the cheapest card that can drive 4X displayport monitors and don't care about gaming, just get a FirePro 2460 from Ebay. They're dirt cheap, only 25 bucks shipped and can drive quad displayport monitors simultaneously.
ocean quarry
Gigabyte 1660 Super OC 6G https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/14-932-223-V80.jpg
rich oasis
@wary anvil think it was 710 it hink?
halcyon sparrow
If anyone is interested in a Nvidia GTX 1080 ti 11gb dm me
ocean quarry
no selling
granite juniper
^
wary anvil
@rich oasis What was a 710?
rich oasis
no the price of the 2080s ko
dawn cedar
i just sold a 2080ti for $1700🤑
just a word of advice for everybody to wait a month for price drops on nvidia gpus
dawn cedar
some dude in cali
dawn cedar
lol thx
rich oasis
@dawn cedar howd he pay u?
dawn cedar
paypal
rich oasis
you realize he can charge bac....
dawn cedar
it was through ebay so he cant go back on it tho
rich oasis
he very much can
dawn cedar
nope
ocean quarry
yup
rich oasis
He very much can
ocean quarry
seen it happen
ocean quarry
I didn't buy that
dawn cedar
yes but they investigate those
dawn cedar
yeah but while the item is in transfer ebay holds the money and the contract
well yeah and id win
he signed a digital contract through a reputable company
ocean quarry
ebay? oh, you'd lose, there's a reason we don't sell on there anymore
merry rune
speaking of buying/selling gpu's, i just snagged a 5600xt on offerup for $225, here's hoping i dont' get a box of rocks
lone pond
Whats your opinion of the rtx 2060 super
ocean quarry
Why would you torture viewers like that
sinful crater
240p gang 😎
ocean quarry
I wouldn't even pay 1p for that
spare relic
120p
hexed nova
opinions on the gigabyte Radeon rx570?
spare relic
Yes
lone pond
I consider it the entry level to PC gaming, but for a few bucks more a RX580 is a solid 1080P GPU. Either way look for the 8GB models.
night aurora
NVIDIA announcing something big Sept 1st! #UltimateCountdown
bitter jungle
opinions on the gigabyte Radeon rx570?
I don’t like the gigabyte RX x70/x80 cards, they get a little loud.
That aside, RX 570 in general is a great little card when you’re on a tighter budget. I have one in my rig, I think people give it too much hate. It’s awesome
@hexed nova
hexed nova
alrightt how about the gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 super @bitter jungle
I’m deciding between the two
bitter jungle
1660 super is a lot better than the RX 570. Go for 1660 super over 570 all the way
bitter jungle
Or, if you want a good middle ground, you could get a 1650 super
hexed nova
I was able to find a 1660 super for like $70 more than the 570 which is not badd
bitter jungle
Yeah, RX 570 usually goes for $120, 1650 super for like $160-170, 1660 super for like $240
hexed nova
Awesome, I will probably go into more detail deciding between the 1650 and the 1660 then
since the gigabyte rx570 I saw was like $169 😭
But I’ll mostly probably get the 1660 super
Thanks!
lone pond
MSI 1660 super
quasi flicker
Btw for no apparent reason the coil whine seems to have gone away @spice prawn
lone pond
whats a good temperature for gpus to operate
rigid crag
Everything under 75C is pretty good
gleaming sierra
Is their much of a real-world noticeable difference between the 5700 XT over RTX 2070?
rigid crag
Depends on what your using it for
sonic mural
Ray trackng
And video encoders
Rtx will be better for streaming and media creation
And rtx will run cooler
lone pond
wait for big navi and 3000s series
soft bay
Does anyone know the best gpu for under 600$ right now ?
lone pond
2070 Super
I recommend not buying a GPU now becasue prices and performance are going to change next month, so just wai till next month to buy a a GPU
wary anvil
Yeah, as long as you aren't looking for super high settings
wary anvil
What frame rate?
wary anvil
Probably
wary anvil
30, 40, yeah
sharp lava
so, good enough, not choppy at all?
wary anvil
It should be
You might need to lower the settings for super intensive AAA games, but something like fortnite will run just fine
wary anvil
Valorant and siege are both pretty light
sharp lava
alright, much thanks
lone pond
A gtx 1660 ti is like a gtx 980 ti I believe?
lone pond
Like a 1070.
lone pond
Can an rtx 2070s paired with a ryzen 3700x good for 1440p 144hz and streaming?
granite juniper
yes
sonic mural
Yes
brisk flame
yes
hoary phoenix
Should I go for a 1660 super or 2060 super
brisk flame
well
2060 super is considerably more powerful
i dont see why you wouldnt want the 2060 super if you have the choice
random stirrup
Is the rx 5600xt decent enough for vr?
random stirrup
okay, thanks
lone pond
what r ur specs
random stirrup
well, currently a bit crap
lone pond
its fine
random stirrup
but i'm planning on getting a pc with the 5600 and a ryzen 5 3600
random stirrup
why is that?
lone pond
so the price will get lowered by the new big navi gpus
the next gen gpus are coming out
lone pond
and if you can you can get one of those
or get the 5600xt
i would suggest 5700xt then
because the price will be lower then
random stirrup
thanks a lot man!
lone pond
welcome
eternal sphinx
hello I have issuse with my Radeon 570 series, its overheating and closing without warning since i updated my driver. Can one of you guys help me?
faint steeple
@eternal sphinx how long have you had the card?
it could be due for a thermal paste change
lapis zephyr
So Intel is releasing its own graphics card aimed towards gamers:0
faint steeple
hmm
lone pond
A GTX 1660ti is like a GTX 980 performance wise I believe?
arctic phoenix
980 ti
wary anvil
So Intel is releasing its own graphics card aimed towards gamers:0
@lapis zephyr I thought they cancelled that program?
lapis zephyr
I saw a. Article done today I’m not sure
@lone pond I actually switched out my 1060gb for the 980 ti my bro gave me not a super difference and the 980ti does run hot but the FPS is glorious compared to the 1060
wary anvil
Probably the 1660ti, but the 1660ti isn't really worth it
I'd go for either the 1660s or the 2060
@lapis zephyr Did you DDU the system when you swapped in the GPUs?
lapis zephyr
Driver update? @wary anvil I’m still new at abbreviations and even knowing there are components in a comp lol
wary anvil
It's a program that wipes the old driver completely before installing the new one
lapis zephyr
Oh I uninstalled the 1060, uninstalled nvidia control panel and experience installed 980 ti and reinstalled all of that and updated driver from nvidia website
I do ok? If there’s anything I should of done please let me know.
wary anvil
That's usually enough, there can sometimes just be some bits that you miss if you do everything manually
lapis zephyr
My system was acting crazy as hell for the last week so I switched out a monitor and the gpu. I had to see if this 980ti worked since it’s going to be the one in the comp I’m building til the 30 series comes out
dawn cedar
which card u getting?
lapis zephyr
I’m gonna see how much the 3080 is I have 500 saved up but I dont wanna go to much over that. I was figuring the 3070 in oct
I already got my cpu motherboard pretty much everything except power supply cpu and one more ssd
wary anvil
3080 is almost definitely going to be more than 500
sharp imp
What is gonna be the cheapest on the 30 lineup?
sharp imp
Hmm how much would a 3060 cost
wary anvil
Somewhere between $100 and $1000
sharp imp
Oh wow right in my budget
ocean quarry
not too hard considering that vague of a budget
ocean quarry
omg that's amazing!
brisk flame
obv
median lily
when the new graphics cards come out does that mean the old graphics cards are going to reduce in price?
round path
any 2080 tis spotted in stock anywhere? lol
lapis zephyr
@median lily 2070s and I think 2080 are discontinued I know the prices I’ve seen for 2070 is somewhat consistent from what I can tell their just trying to get the last of them out so prices can be gouged if someone buys and resells
That’s what I saw with some motherboards lately z390s were about 250ish and went up to 400 even after the z490 were released so I just went with the z490s
median lily
i see thank you
lone pond
What's a good amd graphics card similar to gtx 1660 super?
idle crow
what’s better than a 2060 super
jolly juniper
2080 super? Lmao idk
quick pawn
2070 super
rigid crag
Thats a very vague question @idle crow
quick pawn
Maybe they meant AMD counter part
quick pawn
Probably isn’t the GPU
dreamy dragonBOT
azvrex#9040 has been warned
idle crow
this guy told me it was bad
rigid crag
2060 super isn't bad by any means
idle crow
yeah he did
quick pawn
So I highly doubt the 2060 super is the problem unless you’re trying to run 4K graphics or something
quick pawn
Your GPU is more high end than your CPU in comparison
So I don’t get why he would specifically roast your GPU
What are you unhappy with?
lone pond
what is his specs
quick pawn
Ah lmfao
idle crow
idk he didn’t tell me his
rigid crag
Why are you upset about this lmao.
dreamy dragonBOT
azvrex#9040 has been warned
rigid crag
Better watch it
idle crow
he called my build bad and i spent a lot of money on it
rigid crag
Gonna get a kick if it happens again I think
quick pawn
I don’t get why someone else’s opinion would make you upset with your performance
idle crow
that would be bad
idle crow
idk can’t connect to wifi
lone pond
then no need to be upset
idle crow
i ordered a wifi card
quick pawn
That doesn’t necessarily make it bad lmfao