graphics-cards

[tender mulch]

Yes

[worthy bone]

Im fairly conflicted at the moment to buy the rtx 2060 super founders edition or the radeon rx 5700xt

[tender mulch]

Do you stream?

[worthy bone]

No but ive been thinking about it

[tender mulch]

If you want to stream, go nVidia

If you have no plans to stream, go AMD

It's honestly that simple

[worthy bone]

Ok thankyou for your help ive been standing in the store for like 30 mins contemplating

[tender mulch]

YW!

[worthy bone]

So i installed the rtx downloaded drivers and the nvidia control panel disappears ??

[tender mulch]

Did you choose Express install or Custom? Did you also reboot?

[worthy bone]

I believe express and i did reboot

[tender mulch]

441.87 drivers?

[worthy bone]

Yes

[tender mulch]

Is it in your start menu?

[worthy bone]

The control panel no i get a notification telling me i dont have the control panel and tells me to go to the microsoft store i click download and nothing happens

[tender mulch]

Eh, that's interesting indeed. If it's not in your Apps and Programs list, I'd use DDU to wipe the drivers and installs and then redownload and install again

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

[worthy bone]

Thanks again for your help

[tender mulch]

YW

Hope that fixes it, it should

[worthy bone]

I forgot to note that it happened after installed a windows update

[lucid whale]

so i found a vega 64 for 230, is that good?

[granite juniper]

yeah

but make sure your power draw can handle the card, it can draw a lot of power

[lucid whale]

true

i didnt think of that lol thanks

so it actually has less power consumption than the rx 580, which is what i currently have

is that right? lol

[ancient crystal]

vega 64 for 230? i'm jealous

and yeah it is a little bit less than the 580

Vega improves by iteration on Polaris (the 580)

so the power efficiency is better

it's why AMD still uses Vega on third-generation APUs

[lone pond]

OOF big navi is DOA

[granite juniper]

thats also just a rumor

[lone pond]

pricing is but not perf

it would make sense for perf

[granite juniper]

and i dont think ive seen a single rumor with that much vram

[lone pond]

its on videocardz

[granite juniper]

cant find the article

link?

[lone pond]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-lisa-su-you-gonna-see-big-navi-in-2020

in commit section

[granite juniper]

anyway i wouldnt really trust any rumor a ton, but 7nm should be a pretyt nice upgrade from rtx 2xxx

[lone pond]

yeah i agree but perf is reasonable at least NVidia standards

turning was kinda mid stop arch any how

[wicked hound]

That 3080Ti looks way too fake. Significantly above the standard 30% perf increase per generation and way too much VRAM

[lone pond]

they proby talking ray tracing perf

vram is not really bad idea anyway gddr6 will cheaper and nvida can proby improve 4k and 8k perf vram @wicked hound

4k and 8k issues not just power but bandwith aswell

the pricing i belive is bull we proby see it around same price as 2080ti or around 1500

[ancient crystal]

it looks like a shill to me

if nvidia is getting that kind of performance and GPU RAM for that price they must be selling at a loss

[lone pond]

who knows @ancient crystal we proby get more info GDC or E3 or games con

source of leak was someone from evga so

[ancient crystal]

someone who said they were from evga yes

[lone pond]

gamer nexus and derbu2r did evga in trouble too

with nvidia

so who knows like i said we should have more real info soon

tbh if nvidia sheets keeps up minus the pricing its jut power move to force radeon out discreet gpu market and only compete with intel

[ancient crystal]

that won't happen though

AMD still has enough of the market

and often are leading in price/performance

they're coming out with new GPUs too

[lone pond]

Big navi is doa already

[ancient crystal]

it isn't DOA

[lone pond]

its taking them two years to even come close to 2080 next gen it won't be funny

[ancient crystal]

there is no reliable info about the actual performance of Big Navi

[lone pond]

plus being better node to match nvidia power draw is sad showing how behind amd truly is

[ancient crystal]

we get it, you like nvidia

[lone pond]

i mean its facts

power draw part

[ancient crystal]

there are no facts yet

[tender mulch]

And it took them 10 years to catch up to Intel. And when they did it was an ass whooping. So be prepared.

[ancient crystal]

i doubt AMD is going to release a high end GPU that competes with the 2080 knowing the 3080 is coming fast

it would be ridiculous

releasing something that costs less than a 2080 and outperforms it? yes, that seems like a thing they would do

[gray vapor]

@ancient crystal Good chance they will but by that time Nvidia could release a high/mid tier card that would be on par with it like a 3070

or even a 3060

[ancient crystal]

costing less is a part of the equation

[gray vapor]

Yes but what would happen if Nvidia brings out like a 3060 Super that costs the same as like a 5800 XT and performs the same

[ancient crystal]

then they're in competition

it doesn't all lead to "nvidia wins the day" - i am sure nvidia will remain the market leader unless AMD gets their collective asses in gear, but AMD can still survive as a GPU manufacturer regardless

a problem AMD faces is that the departments of the company that are involved with GPUs don't communicate, from my understanding

it would if that is the case be in their best interest to improve communication

i think part of why new GPUs aren't released at the same rate nvidia does is AMD simply doesn't have the capital in that division to release so many GPUs in a short time

[tender mulch]

Well, all nVidia does is just play with clocks and core counts

It's not like they're releasing different GPU's or architecture

[ancient crystal]

AMD always seems to release a new iteration of its architecture every generation

[gray vapor]

@tender mulch That sounds exactly what AMD does

[tender mulch]

Ya, they're actually making silicon changes. nVidia just takes defective chips and makes them profitable

[gray vapor]

Remember the R500 series is pretty much higher clocks from the R400 series

[ancient crystal]

they're both Polaris

[tender mulch]

AMD does it on a more regular basis than nVidia lately with the Vega series and 5000 series coming so close together

[ancient crystal]

Vega is the only decent GCN series, and whatever the 7950/7970 were

[torpid garden]

Well, turing was a huge architecture change

[tender mulch]

Right

[torpid garden]

Navi was as well over Vega

[tender mulch]

And every 16 series and 20 series card since then has been Turing

Where AMD has changed Architecture, nVidia just uses defective dies. Not that it's a bad thing, that's just how it works

[ancient crystal]

AMD seems too interested in raw computational power than game performance

for what are essentially gaming cards

[gray vapor]

@tender mulch that is a little false cause the 1650 non super is not Turning

[torpid garden]

Navi arch caters well to gamers

[tender mulch]

Then what is it?

[ancient crystal]

Vega catered well to gamers too, on the 56 and 64 level

[tender mulch]

Cuz nVidia says it's Turing

[ancient crystal]

the VII was just a really weird hybrid prosumer card

[gray vapor]

What was the 1000 series again lol

[ancient crystal]

i forget

[tender mulch]

1650 is Turing

1070/80/60 etc wasn't

[ancient crystal]

the 1000 series... it wasn't maxwell, it was the one after... I think Pascal?

[tender mulch]

yes

[torpid garden]

1650 is still a Turing die, just cut down, Tu 1117.
It just doesn't come with the Turing hardware encoding goods - same as volta/pascal

[tender mulch]

SPECS
THE POWER OF
GEFORCE GTX 1650
GeForce GTX 1650
Architecture Turing Shaders
Boost Clock 1665 MHz
Frame Buffer 4 GB GDDR5
Memory Speed 8 Gbps

[torpid garden]

All gtx 10xx are pascal ya.

[lone pond]

which RTX 2080s are HDMI?

rather than dp

[stiff zodiac]

buy hdmi ports

solder it manually

or buy dp to hdmi

[wraith zinc]

every 2080 i looked at had atleast 1 hdmi 🤔

[ancient crystal]

AMD cards are really stingy about HDMI but not nvidia

AMD cards be like: 3x DP 1x HDMI

nvidia cards: 3x HDMI, 2x DP, DVI for the hell of it, why not

[wraith zinc]

uh

its like exactly the opposite

🤔

well for geforce atleast

[lone pond]

I plan on make sure my pc boots up but my video card won’t be here until Thursday will my 2.0 video card work in a 3.0

[wraith zinc]

yes

it just has faster bandwidth

but the 2.0 card wont be able to utilise it fully

[vernal terrace]

pc with 1080 for 600?

[fallen schooner]

ok?

[exotic briar]

imagine the rx580 beating the gtx 1650 in 1080p but 1650 beating rx580 in 1440 and 5k

[livid heron]

Should I go for an new rx 5700 or a used 1080?

Upgrading from an rx 580

[exotic briar]

the rx 5700 is like 300 and the performance is pretty crisp

a used 1080 is like near well 700-1000

[brisk flame]

lmao not at all

[livid heron]

I’ve seen 1080s for 300 usb

Ish

[brisk flame]

chech tech-deals

[livid heron]

Yeah most 1080s aren’t even 400

[brisk flame]

i literally put a hardware swap listing a few hrs ago

[exotic briar]

welp im looking on the wrong site

i was on ebay

[livid heron]

I was on eBay too

[exotic briar]

no wait newegg or smth

idk but yeah

[brisk flame]

yeahh, people on ebay sometimes have no idea what stuff is worth

[livid heron]

Oh ok yeah Newegg will have bad deals on last gen stuff

[brisk flame]

and amazon and newegg have businesses put listings up

and they never change the price

[exotic briar]

CRAIGSLIST IS TOO SKETCH TO EB BUYING PCS. CHANGE MY MIND.

[brisk flame]

lmao nah

[livid heron]

Sometimes

[brisk flame]

you just gotta know what your doing

[livid heron]

In big cities it can be

But I’m not in a big city so eh

[exotic briar]

hold up im finna pull p with black af1's

[brisk flame]

its superior to ebay, considering you can walk up and inspect the component or machine

[livid heron]

Exactly

[exotic briar]

microcenter tho..

i live near one and the deals are bomb

[livid heron]

Does micro center still sell 1080s?

[exotic briar]

nahh

[hexed forge]

im pretty sure they do

[exotic briar]

wymm

[hexed forge]

the one near me had som 10xx series

[exotic briar]

i checked and they dont anymore

[hexed forge]

idk about 1080 specifically tho

[exotic briar]

yeah 1030s and 1050s

[hexed forge]

nah they had 1060s and 1070s when i went about a month ago

[exotic briar]

dang

i forgot tehy do

im an actual dumby dumb dumb

i just hate how in nyc the tax rate is near 10%

[hexed forge]

i mean it coulda been like back log

my mc has a ton of old stuff that isnt made anymore lol

usually on clearance

[exotic briar]

yeah

open box deals do be hitting different for real

[hexed forge]

yeh but gotta be careful. cousin got one and it was baddddd

[exotic briar]

lmao i feel you

[hexed forge]

like missing most of the stuff, broken ram slot, all that stuff

[polar bough]

give me free 2080 pls

[hexed forge]

on an expensive mobo

[exotic briar]

my dad bought my slim hp pc open box from best buy even tho i told him to wait

and taht was 4 years ago

and i hadn't upgraded a single component

so i still had a hhd

6 gb of ddr3 1330 ram

i need to get 8 or 16gb ddr3 1600 ram'

[lucid whale]

i saw someone mention upgrading from an rx 580, im lookin to do the same lol

i found a vega 64 going for 230 on fb marketplace

[lone pond]

What waterblock would fit the ASUS blower GTX 1080?

[tired swan]

@lucid whale you can find 5700 XT for around the same price

[lucid whale]

where at?

[tired swan]

ive found them on evay

ebay

[lucid whale]

ah okay

[ancient crystal]

5700 XT for $230

?

what's wrong with it

[tired swan]

used

[ancient crystal]

was more of a joking statement

used is fine

the stigma against used GPUs started in the days when people would cheaply offload mining GPUs, that price is low, but doesn't indicate the GPU has been under any particular stress

also i see no such prices on ebay, it must have been in the process of bidding or something

[gray vapor]

For mining cards there has been some lucky people but there has been a lot of other people that got like a burnt out condition with super hard thermal paste on it which was a pain to remove and the fact that some countries still has the whole if you remove the warranty screw sticker you can't replace it

I like Europe still have that which is why no one would remove the cooler on a modern GPU even if it was going that hot

[ancient crystal]

yeah

i'd like to get an AIO hybrid cooler for a GPU

they have the fan for the RAM and VRMs and such and the liquid for the GPU

and you put little heatsinks on VRMs and RAM chips

i've done an air cooler like that, with the heatsinks

[gray vapor]

pretty much something like this kit https://www.amazon.ca/Aluminum-Heatsink-Diffusion-Raspberry-Y011/dp/B010ER7UN8

[ancient crystal]

yeah, it was a fan/heatsink for the GPU

and it had heatsinks for VRM/RAM

[paper spoke]

Anyone know what the best 2070 super is on the market?

[brisk flame]

the cheapest one lmao

assuming you arent overclocking

[tender mulch]

EVGA for nVidia

[paper spoke]

What if I was overclocking?

[tender mulch]

EVGA

[paper spoke]

There are like 5 different ones EVGA makes

[brisk flame]

yeah, evga makes good ones

zotac also

[paper spoke]

How high could I overclock w/o water cooling it?

[brisk flame]

depends

[tender mulch]

Depends

[brisk flame]

on more things we can know

[paper spoke]

It always does 😂

[brisk flame]

yep

a safe bet is roughly 100mhz

[tender mulch]

I've got 200 MHZ out of my 2060 and 400-500 on the ram

[brisk flame]

some cards can go 400mhz+

just depends on the die

[tender mulch]

SHoot

The 1050TI's would go a full Gigaherz OC

[brisk flame]

lmao

[tender mulch]

Not joking, it's a thing

[paper spoke]

Ahh see I've never built a PC before, but I've been slowly building my 1st.. I just need ram, ssd, and graphics card

[brisk flame]

basically, figure out what you need for ram and an ssd

then use the rest of your budget on the best card you can afford

[paper spoke]

I'm going to get a Samsung 860 Evo and g.skill trident z 32gb (16x2)

[brisk flame]

are you doing anything else besides gaming?

32 is kinda overkill

for game

[paper spoke]

I thought so

[brisk flame]

2x8 is good enough for now, then snag another set to upgrade in the future if you ever need to

[tender mulch]

Oh yeah, 16 GB is enough for just about anyone

[paper spoke]

Not really.. I will be hosting a small private server on some games for me and my friends while also playing

[tender mulch]

What server?

[paper spoke]

Depends on whatever we are in the mood for

[brisk flame]

i mean, theres nothing wrong with getting 32gb

just depends on budget

[paper spoke]

Yeah I'm trying to keep it under 2000

[tender mulch]

Even with 16GB of ram, I have servers and can game on the same PC

Not 50 people but it works

[paper spoke]

Ok good to know

Thanks

Oh

I went with a i7 7900k and I know it doesn't really take advantage of faster ram like ryzen does so I didn't know if 3200 timing on the ram would really benefit me

What say ye

[tender mulch]

Ram timing benefits processors regardless of brand

[paper spoke]

I know but the new ryzen chips definitely get more out of it right?

Or so I've heard

[tender mulch]

Well, only because Ryzen can use faster memory

[paper spoke]

Gotcha

[tender mulch]

It's important with Intel also

[paper spoke]

So 3200 would be fine or would you go faster?

[tender mulch]

3200 CL14

CL16 if you're on a budget

[paper spoke]

Ok

I was looking at the Gygabyte 2070 super gaming oc but I don't know much about graphics cards.. could you point me in the right direction?

I can't really afford anything higher than a 2070 super

[tender mulch]

Are you going to be streaming?

[paper spoke]

No

[tender mulch]

The go 5700XT

It's cheaper and same perofrmance

https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-radeon-rx-5700-xt-axrx-5700xt-8gbd6-3dhe-oc/p/N82E16814131752

[paper spoke]

Hmmm

[elfin nymph]

Hey lads

[tender mulch]

Could even do a twin fan

https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-radeon-rx-5700-xt-axrx-5700xt-8gbd6-3dhr-oc/p/N82E16814131756

[brisk flame]

or

the new thicc III

[tender mulch]

I hope that's a joke

[brisk flame]

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-5700-xt-rx-57xt838d8/p/N82E16814150829?Description=thicc 3&cm_re=thicc_3-_-14-150-829-_-Product

actually

its amazing

they fixed all the thermal issues

added a fan

it boosts higher than the original too

[paper spoke]

Decisions decisions

😭

[brisk flame]

tbh, theyre all gonna perform really close to each other

[tender mulch]

I'm not trusting that card until someone reviews it

[brisk flame]

just get one that looks the coolest

[tender mulch]

The first one was terrible

[brisk flame]

someone did review it

[paper spoke]

Send the link lol

[brisk flame]

i think this is the one i watched

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vpx6ecvhVM

kinda a no name

[tender mulch]

Exactly lol

[brisk flame]

but does a decent job comparing

[tender mulch]

Full teardown?

[brisk flame]

wait

i dont think that was it

[tender mulch]

Need a teardown video to see thermal pad VRAM coverage, etc

[brisk flame]

bro its a gpu

[tender mulch]

UH huh. 5700XT's have issues with hot ram

causing graphical issues

[dawn elbow]

would a graphics card that is going bad flash to a black screen while playing a game and only do it when i play a game?

[tender mulch]

MSI was a big one, so was the THIC II

I mean, they draw more power than processors do, component cooling is important

[brisk flame]

actually, the one i sent was the right one

he opens it up

at like 5:12 he shows the vram pads

[tender mulch]

Ah, they actually did fix it

[brisk flame]

yep...

thats

what i said

[tender mulch]

ALthough the benchmarks reveal that it's only 2-3 FPS above a reference card.

With the higher clocks, might be worth just sticking to a lower cost model twin fan

Assuming 1080p or 1440p

[paper spoke]

I'm going 1440p

And in every benchmark the rtx 2070 super beats it.. the way I look at it is I can afford better so why not get better

[brisk flame]

are the benchmarks running 1080p or 1440p

[paper spoke]

Both I think

[brisk flame]

aight, hold on, imma do some research

[tender mulch]

I mean, if you call 3-4 FPS beating it

Remember, that 3-4 FPS is going to cost you $70+

[paper spoke]

Is gsync or freesync better?

[brisk flame]

depends on the monitor you have

[paper spoke]

I know one let's the monitor lead and the other let's the GPU lead

[tender mulch]

Both let the GPU lead

One is nVidia only

The other is AMD or nVida

[paper spoke]

Ahh ok

[tender mulch]

Freesync is both

GSync is nVidia only

[paper spoke]

I don't currently have a monitor so if I do decide to go and I guess that's good haha

Amd*

[tender mulch]

Honestly, nVidia for streaming, AMD for pure gaming

[brisk flame]

unless you have a budget of like 4000 dollars

[paper spoke]

Lol

The thic III would def look better in my build than a red devil

So man freaking decisions ugh

[brisk flame]

tbh, the 2070 super does perform better, but its not worth the extra cash

[tender mulch]

Yup

[brisk flame]

and any 5700xt will do

as long as it has good cooling

so literally, pick one out that you like the look of

if it looks dumb, dont get it

[paper spoke]

There is a very small chance I would stream down the road (don't tell my wife)

Jk

[tender mulch]

Maybe by then AMD will have their encoder up to snuff

[paper spoke]

Alright well thanks for giving me some more things to think about haha

I don't even know what you're talking about.. lol

And I thought I was a tech nerd

[tender mulch]

Lulz

[paper spoke]

Later

[tender mulch]

GN

[paper spoke]

If I have more questions I'll be back 😈

[tender mulch]

Please do

[paper spoke]

Gn

[dawn elbow]

bekora are you still around?

[torpid garden]

What is this "defective dies" fake news

[tender mulch]

Lol

Chip makes take chips with defective parts, cut them down, and make lesser models out of them

[ancient crystal]

it's not "fake news" you nerd, it's a thing manufacturers do not to waste chips

god every time i hear that phrase

certain TV news network with a specific viewer base comes to mind

not political, just anti-intellectual

[lone pond]

Lol

Guys

Can I put a rtx 2070 on a ddr3 motherboard

[tender mulch]

Yes but it's a waste

[torpid garden]

Yes

[gray vapor]

Depends what the board is

cause there are some 6th gen Intel boards that still has DDR3 support

[torpid garden]

ok - on it, yes
installed to function, *yes

[lone pond]

Oh so it would work?

[tender mulch]

It would work but don't expect full performance. Most likely will be CPU bound

[lone pond]

Okay

[torpid garden]

if unsure, link the mobo model, or a picture of it

[lone pond]

Im just broke rn from Japan and my sis is getting me one for my bday

[torpid garden]

Some dells, etc , have low power delivery limits from the pcie slot

But hey https://hwbot.org/submission/4223937_forks_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_rtx_2080_ti_9624_marks/

P67 board lol

[lone pond]

@torpid garden I'll dm u it

[hexed forge]

is the 2070s worth the extra 100 bucks or should i just go 2070? i have an r5 2600 and currently run a gtx 970

[tired swan]

if you dont need the encoder, get the 5700 XT. the 2070 S is a bit better but the XT is like 100 cheaper

[hexed forge]

i need the encoder

[tired swan]

seems to get about 5-10 extra fps, so i would say no

[hexed forge]

alright coo savin 100 bucks lol

[torpid garden]

If you stream, nvidia easy , cuda/ any kind of HPC / compute, same , team green. Otherwise ^^

[hexed forge]

yeah i want the ability to stream which is why im hard core going nvidia and not amd. i was going to get the super but i figured its not that much of a boost and the 2070 is already a massive boost compared to the 970 lol

[tender mulch]

Yeah, the performance boost doesn't seem worth the $100

[torpid garden]

hmu if you need an evga discount code, otherwise 🙂

[tender mulch]

EVGA out of stock on standard 2070

But discount might make the Super more palatable.

[hexed forge]

i might do that but im waiting 2 weeks for tax return lol

[median pagoda]

what is the best sub $200 graphics card that would be a worthy replacement for a 1060 3gb?

[tired swan]

200 new?

[hexed forge]

prob 1660

[tired swan]

1660

^

[median pagoda]

new or used

[tender mulch]

1660 isn't much of a step up for $200

[median pagoda]

i was thinking maybe a used 1070 idk

[hexed forge]

you can go used but be careful with used products

[wicked hound]

$200 for a 1070 when a new 1660S is $230? Real bad deal there

[wet tulip]

i found $800 for a founders edition 2060 on amazon

[tender mulch]

That's terrible

[karmic solar]

What

A 2080S FE is 700

[hexed forge]

or 58.34/mo* for 12 months time to go into debt

[mellow kiln]

@wicked hound I'd add an extra $10 to that 1660S price because all the 1660s at $230 look like trash

[wicked hound]

Still performs the same

[terse pine]

wtf @wet tulip are you high

[lone pond]

iirc the 2060 preforms the same as a 1080

maybe slightly under

[tender mulch]

1080 is faster than even the 2060 super

Well, the 1080TI

Significantly faster

[brisk flame]

for 300 USD used, the 1080 is the best card you can get

unless you get a 5700 on sale

[tender mulch]

It's still a beast since RT is a joke RN

[brisk flame]

yeah

[wicked hound]

EVGA 2060 KO with a moderate OC for $280 would get basically standard 2060 perf

[tender mulch]

It's a slightly underclocked 2060 standard

Same Cuda core count and everything

[wicked hound]

yeah, slight OC gets you good perf for price

also makes a $300 used 1080 a horrible deal

[tender mulch]

No

1080TI is 30-35% faster still

[brisk flame]

no reg 1080

[wicked hound]

1080Ti is like $400 used, not $300

$400 min, lot of time $430+

[brisk flame]

the 1080 performs similarly to the 5700 and 2060

[tender mulch]

Regular 1080 is an even match for a 2060 super. beats a regular 2060

5-10%

[brisk flame]

yeah, plus, from what ive seen, the 1080 gets better .1% lows across the board

[wicked hound]

If that's the case, how does a standard 2060 get to be 4% better then a 1070Ti?

Source, the image I just posted a few mins ago

[brisk flame]

because the 1080 is better than the 1070ti

not by a whole lot

but more than a regular 2060

[wicked hound]

Right, not by a whole lot. Not really noticeable, and one can say the NVENC and RTX (while useless on a 2060) easily makes up for it

you also miss out on warranty

[tender mulch]

I really doubt you'd notice a difference in NVENC between a 10 series and a 2060

And RT on a 2060 is a joke lol

<- buyers remorse

[wicked hound]

Doesnt change the fact that you get more hardware and warranty support for the same price

Thus making a $300 1080 a bad deal

[brisk flame]

not really

the cheapest 2060 is like 340

[tender mulch]

At that point, it all becomes personal preference

[brisk flame]

the 1080 still outperforms it

[tender mulch]

Some folks are happy to buy used with no warranty

Personally, I wouldn't do it but not everyone is like me

[wicked hound]

@brisk flame was talking about 2060 KO

which is $280 new

[brisk flame]

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-2060-06g-p4-2068-kr/p/N82E16814487486?Item=N82E16814487486&Description=2060&cm_re=2060-_-14-487-486-_-Product

step up to a real 2060

[wicked hound]

Ah, so prices raised, so I guess $300 for standard KO and 320 for KO Ultra?

[brisk flame]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2060-gv-n2060wf2-6gd/p/N82E16814932159?Item=N82E16814932159&Description=2060&cm_re=2060-_-14-932-159-_-Product

340

is there a non ultra ko?

[wicked hound]

There are two KOs last I heard

[brisk flame]

the one i sent is just the cheapest 2060 on newegg

[tender mulch]

Right, and is even slower than the regular 2060. Not counting overclocks because most people just plug and play. So it all comes down to warranty or not, slightly better performance or not

Hmmm

I don't see any KO's for $280

[wicked hound]

I mean... most people wouldnt stress this hard about budget either

[tender mulch]

They're all $320 or more

Looks like the cheap ones aren't out yet and are on Pre-Order?

[wicked hound]

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-2066-KR

found it

$300

[wicked hound]

So not the $280 that I said, yay me

used 1080s are like what, still $300?

[tender mulch]

It was advetised at $280

I saw the articles

Well, the KO is going to have less performance than the 2060

So that makes the 1080 have even more performance against it, maybe 10% ish, provided stock clocks are used.

[brisk flame]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Generic-NVIDIA-GTX-1080-8GB-Video-Card/264604781147?epid=27030517196&hash=item3d9bac8a5b%3Ag%3Ae~8AAOSwNhNeJRRz&LH_BIN=1

heres some chinese one i think

[wicked hound]

Sure you said OC was out of the question due to not the average person doing so, but does the average person buy used hardware? (actually kinda interested to see how many people OC vs buy used)

Now that is a actually worthy used price

[brisk flame]

idk the brand tho

[tender mulch]

More people than you think buy used stuff and don't OC

[wicked hound]

not some "put it at 92% of MSRP of its competitive counterpart"

[brisk flame]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-1080-FTW-GAMING-08G-P4-6286-KR-Graphics-Card/193308819208?epid=6032166647&hash=item2d021a7f08%3Ag%3A~M8AAOSw8xJeJj-T&LH_BIN=1

heres a good branded one

300

[tender mulch]

I wouldn't trust that Chinese 1080

[brisk flame]

same

lol

but for 225

its definetly a 1080

probably no overclocking headroom

[wicked hound]

I mean seller has had an okay amount of sellings

[tender mulch]

Yeah but still........

I googled the part number and got nothing

[brisk flame]

it has the nvidia logo on the board

and it looked accurate

[tender mulch]

That doesn't mean anything

Notice how there is no picture of the back showing PCB size?

All they show is a big cooler

[brisk flame]

if it werent a reference pcb from nvidia, it wouldnt have that logo there at all

or it would be crappy looking

[tender mulch]

I'm not saying it's not an nVidia card

[wicked hound]

Anyways back to our debate? While you get 8 - 10% more perf you lose on NVENC and RT/Tensor core (which as we all know are pretty useless for a 2060, but are none the less still there)

[tender mulch]

I'm saying it's not a 1080

None of the numbers on those stickers result in any hits on Google

[brisk flame]

look on the pcie slot picture

zoom in on the numbers

google that

its a reference 1080

180-1g413

[tender mulch]

Mebbe it is. Definitely well used from all the dust in the fans

[granite juniper]

@wicked houndevga had a week long sale were the ko/ko ultra were $20 below msrp, thats where the 280 was

[ancient crystal]

is this KO version something without Tensor/RT core?

[tender mulch]

Nope

Literally a downclocked 2060 standard

[ancient crystal]

why would you buy a downclocked 2060

gross

[brisk flame]

because you save like 40$

[ancient crystal]

so they're $260? or $300

[brisk flame]

also, most people dont know, so they think its just the cheapest 2060 on the market

its a scam, really

[ancient crystal]

i think the MSRP for the regular 2060 is supposed to be 300

[brisk flame]

2060 is 320

with the ko being 280

and the ko ultra being 300

[ancient crystal]

KO ultra! so it's... less worse

buy KO and overclock to stock clocks for 2060???

for like 10% less power they should be WAY more than $40 below MSRP

that card should be $250

[brisk flame]

they would get even more business too

from ppl who dont kno better

[ancient crystal]

they'd also actually be a good deal

[brisk flame]

oh look, a really cheap 2060

yeah

but they should call it a 2050 lmao

[ancient crystal]

yeah they should

[brisk flame]

well, nvidia would have to approve

[ancient crystal]

oh this is something evga is doing on their own?

[brisk flame]

oh yeah

[ancient crystal]

lol

[brisk flame]

they just look like cheap 2060 lmao

i would hate nvidia if this was their idea

i would

HATE

with a burning passion

[ancient crystal]

i am actually thinking about getting a blower 2060 instead of a vega 64/56 or RX 5700

blower is because of my case

[brisk flame]

ahh

[ancient crystal]

it puts the GPU right next to the power supply

[brisk flame]

oof

i mean, as long as you have good front intake

[ancient crystal]

fractal tells you to get blower cards

it is a known issue

i have good front intake yes

i'm about to make it better too

by adding a second fan

there's a big 140mm fan in front of my ITX case

[brisk flame]

im planning on making a shroud from a fan at the bottom of my case right up to my blower gpu fan

[ancient crystal]

lol

the problem is the blower fan faces away from the intake

[brisk flame]

its just gonna push air right from outside, right past the blower gpu and out the back

[ancient crystal]

nice

blower can suck most of it up

when it's going

[brisk flame]

tru

ive never cared about fan noise

[ancient crystal]

blowers aren't a bad thing really

in fact in my ITX case they're a good thing

because they keep the heat out of the case

[brisk flame]

yep

[ancient crystal]

a dual fan design will dissipate a lot more heat into the case

[brisk flame]

theyre just bad in most case scenarios

[ancient crystal]

yeah

[brisk flame]

well, whenever the builder doesnt think about airflow, really

[dreamy dragon]

AnniAntipathy#7280 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[brisk flame]

rip

[ancient crystal]

aaaa

[brisk flame]

lmao

[ancient crystal]

the 11th but it's been easily over a month so they probably reset it

[brisk flame]

oof

[ancient crystal]

whoops

MEE6 is helpfully warning me

[brisk flame]

like, i know damn and hell are allowed

but, those really arent bad

[ancient crystal]

but you know the entire thing was accidental and i wouldn't want to set off the swear trigger

[brisk flame]

o wait

shintel

YES

[ancient crystal]

also the badness of words depends on your culture and religion

[brisk flame]

also tru

[ancient crystal]

like saudi guys i've met around here that go to college

drop F bombs all the time but anything with religious connotation they don't like

[brisk flame]

kinda like the n word in the us vs most other places

[dense flicker]

woah what are we talking about

[brisk flame]

idk

bad words

[ancient crystal]

that's not a great word under any circumstances

[brisk flame]

i kno

but for some places, it doesnt hold as much cultural significance

[hexed forge]

anni is saying bad things to sassy

[brisk flame]

nuh uh

[hexed forge]

lol

[brisk flame]

i clear him of all charges lmao

[ancient crystal]

is he/him universal for everyone or what

[brisk flame]

idk

[hexed forge]

i interchange he/him and she/her all the time but im also dum lol

[brisk flame]

its nicer than saying it

[hexed forge]

yeh but

look at the user and pfp

[brisk flame]

well, if you wanna be technical, and get a history lesson

[hexed forge]

women can be techies to sassy

[brisk flame]

yes, he/him can be considered neutral

culture doesnt see it that way, unfortunatly

but

[ancient crystal]

except now we use they/them (and historically they've used it even in middle english)

[brisk flame]

that discussion is for

another time

[ancient crystal]

sassy you could just not be rude too

lmao

[brisk flame]

huh?

was i rude, im sorry if i was

[hexed forge]

i think she was joking

[brisk flame]

no

: |

better

[hexed forge]

iunno sorry i mae it all awkward xD

[ancient crystal]

you didn't

[hexed forge]

i was tryina joke around lol

[ancient crystal]

far from awkward

you wanna see awkward i'll show you awkward

[brisk flame]

i meme alot, so sometimes i dont think about wat i say lmao

[hexed forge]

lets see some awkward

[ancient crystal]

no

[brisk flame]

copypasta time

[hexed forge]

aw

[ancient crystal]

i don't want to

[hexed forge]

lmao

[ancient crystal]

you know when i first got on the internet i thought people were typing "imao" and i was so confused

[hexed forge]

oof when i first got internet i was all the cringe and didnt know anything

[ancient crystal]

keep in mind when i first got on the internet was like 1998

[hexed forge]

so glad i didnt have social media

oh i got internet access in like, 2010

wait no

2003?

[brisk flame]

the only social media i use is instagram for memes

[hexed forge]

i was 10

[ancient crystal]

i use facebook to keep contact with people and see pictures of them

[brisk flame]

i think discord could be counted as social media

technically

[hexed forge]

i had myspace and did some cringy stuff with questionable people (not like super bad) but thankfully myspace is gone

[ancient crystal]

i use twitter to 💩post

oh i had myspace too

[dense flicker]

i have an alt account specifically for starting arguments

[brisk flame]

madlad

[hexed forge]

on here?

[dense flicker]

its my "unfiltered" alt account

nah on twitter

[hexed forge]

lmao

[dense flicker]

and i will never tell anybody what the handle is

[brisk flame]

👀

tell

[dense flicker]

that way it stays completely seperate

[hexed forge]

i have a twitter acc for my podcast but thats the only social media i post to

[ancient crystal]

i'll start arguments with my main account

i don't care

[hexed forge]

its @shrewd stag2

[brisk flame]

[hexed forge]

woops i pinged a real zack

[brisk flame]

good job

[ancient crystal]

i'm gonna look up 2060s used on ebay and see what they have

prob no blower edition

asus makes it i believe

[brisk flame]

you can look for an oem 2060s

they usually use blowers

[dense flicker]

in total i got 23 likes on an argument of tweets, the other person got 12. i destroyed them.

[hexed forge]

im going to get a 2070 in about 2 weeks lol

[dense flicker]

:0

[hexed forge]

zack: the intelectual

[dense flicker]

thats gonna be awesome for VR

[hexed forge]

yep thats why i want it 😄 im just hoping my 2600 wont bottleneck it at all lol

[brisk flame]

welp, ebay has literally nothing for 2060 supers

a 2600 wont bottleneck a thing

[shrewd stag]

heh

[brisk flame]

heh

[hexed forge]

yep i googled it wont bottleneck

dope

[brisk flame]

look what youve done

[hexed forge]

sorry accidentally pinged you zack

i did a tomie

[shrewd stag]

its okay, I dont get butthurt about those things

[ancient crystal]

$448 for a blower 2060

[dense flicker]

:0

imposter zack has joined chat

[ancient crystal]

on ebay

[brisk flame]

not even worth it

[dense flicker]

hey zack

[ancient crystal]

that price

[brisk flame]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-Blower-graphics-card-GF-RTX-2060-Super-8-GB/223737613860?epid=17034295416&hash=item3417cd0e24%3Ag%3ApvsAAOSw5LRdwqvQ&LH_BIN=1

well

[dense flicker]

never once have i seen the alt zack who accidentally gets pinged respond... this is weird for me

[hexed forge]

but 2070 is <400

[shrewd stag]

I think I'm actually the real Zack, Mine's capitalized

[dense flicker]

D:<

hold on

there we go

[shrewd stag]

oh shiz

[dense flicker]

gotem

[ancient crystal]

2060 Super

trying to get me into spending $400

[hexed forge]

why that over 2070

[ancient crystal]

also ebay for retail price GPUs?

what the butt

because i'm poor and i want my GPU now

[hexed forge]

oh you were saying you wont buy the blower cause its to high?

[ancient crystal]

i was saying the one blower listing was $450

for not even a super

it was just a 2060

[tired swan]

do you guys reccomend this gpu? thinking of getting it to play shadow of the tomb raider and BF5 on 4k 144 fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7rce6IQDWs

[brisk flame]

what about the one i just sent

[hexed forge]

ebay.com/itm/GIGABYTE-AORUS-GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-8G-8GB-256-Bit-GDDR6-Video-Card/372913943562?epid=16034760607&hash=item56d367340a:g:Y3gAAOSwKlxd-2Q1

[brisk flame]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-Blower-graphics-card-GF-RTX-2060-Super-8-GB/223737613860?epid=17034295416&hash=item3417cd0e24%3Ag%3ApvsAAOSw5LRdwqvQ&LH_BIN=1

brand new from dell

400

[hexed forge]

or brand new 2070 for 400

[brisk flame]

oh

dang

[hexed forge]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2070-gv-n2070wf2-8gd-rev-3-0/p/N82E16814932226?item=N82E16814932226&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-video+card+-+nvidia-_-N82E16814932226&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvJXxBRCeARIsAMSkApqiLCiLD3sz5pATNsH68OiEV2bwq2PSMF0TDJRunv1BUR7-FnynCHYaAop-EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[brisk flame]

or

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-GeForce-RTX-2070-Super-Ventus-OC-8GB-GDDR6-Graphics-Card/133310783795?epid=13034360347&hash=item1f09f12133%3Ag%3AC6oAAOSwGC9eJevj&LH_BIN=1

2070 super

[ancient crystal]

i like how you guys are showing me stuff beyond my means

[brisk flame]

lmao

[ancient crystal]

i only have a 1080p 144Hz display

[hexed forge]

oh i was argueing that a 2060s at 400 isnt worth cause 2070 is same price

i mean, 2070 isnt outside of that

is it?

witcher 3 runs at like 40fps at 1080 on my 970 so i would assume trying to hit 1080 144 in a game like that would mean 2070 or 2080

also apparently getting a 2070 will render my other monitor unusable 😦 no vga

[brisk flame]

time for another monitor lol

[hexed forge]

well i have a new one

ultra wide 30 inch 85hz

but my other monitor which was going to be secondary wont work

which is a 24inch, 5ms, 60hz 1080p

pretty bad lol

[brisk flame]

i mean, good enough as a secondary display

[hexed forge]

well yeah

[brisk flame]

im sure you could get an adapter

like, i have a display port to vga cable

they exist

[hexed forge]

Whoops I meant dvi not vga but yes that does exist thanks lol

[brisk flame]

oh wtf dvi isnt bad

i still use it

[ancient crystal]

i like my display port connection

[hexed forge]

I gots a plan now

[brisk flame]

its just display port

but lower bandwidth

much

[hexed forge]

No it’s bad cause it’s 60hz and 5ms response

[brisk flame]

lower

no good 4 gaem

[ancient crystal]

displayport is something i am like very much behind

[brisk flame]

good for work doc

ive got 3 dvi monitors

same

[hexed forge]

This monitor is my first time using dp

[ancient crystal]

same

[hexed forge]

Outside of dp to hdmi for oculus lol

[ancient crystal]

the cord plugs in really nicely though and that feels good

DP to HDMI

come on oculus

get with the program

[hexed forge]

I mean the new oculus using dp isn’t an issue for me

[brisk flame]

yo

i just found this

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-GeForce-RTX-2070-8GB-TURBO-RTX2070-8G-Video-Graphics-Card-GPU/123830377018?hash=item1cd4dd9a3a%3Ag%3AJn4AAOSw7N5dJR9B&LH_BIN=1

2070 blower

used

380

[ancient crystal]

my ceiling is $300

that's why i've been looking at old vegas

[brisk flame]

o i thought you were getting a 2060s?

oh

[ancient crystal]

no i said i might consider a 2060

[hexed forge]

I shared a 2060s under 300 earlier

[brisk flame]

ahh, im an idiot

[ancient crystal]

it's gonna sell fast

[hexed forge]

Probably

But it was used

[brisk flame]

wait, so what about non blower cards?

are those still ok?

[ancient crystal]

no it will not fit my case

[brisk flame]

ok

[ancient crystal]

my case puts the power supply right up in abutment of the GPU

[brisk flame]

oh yeah, thats right

[ancient crystal]

it is a known issue and fractal just recommends to get a blower

[hexed forge]

wait is a blower card smaller than normal

[ancient crystal]

no

it's about mid length

it uses a small, fast fan to force air over a heatsink in a confined space

[brisk flame]

what about

a c2070

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nvidia-Tesla-C2070-6GB-GDDR5-PCI-E-Workstataion-Video-Card-900-21030-2220-000-K/164034511085?epid=96869724&hash=item26313800ed%3Ag%3AY7EAAOSwtN9eIKaj&LH_BIN=1

lmao

👀

[ancient crystal]

that isn't a 2070

i do not know what it is, i think it's a 1060

[brisk flame]

its a C2070

from like 6 years ago

[ancient crystal]

oh that old?

lmao

[brisk flame]

yeah, was joke

[hexed forge]

so wait you currently have a 1650 right

[brisk flame]

but it blow

[hexed forge]

what was the case?

[ancient crystal]

yes

the case is a fractal define nano S

it's ITX

my 1650 seems to draw enough air by some miracle

even though it's literally sucking air from the surface of my power supply

[hexed forge]

oh i see so it just cant be to wide

oh

[ancient crystal]

well with stronger GPUs

it might be a little more of an issue

this thing runs on board power

[hexed forge]

yeah ok i see what you mean

how bout

watercooling tiem?

[brisk flame]

wait, wdym board power

[ancient crystal]

also i cannot buy a GPU right this second

[brisk flame]

do you not have pcie power

cables

[ancient crystal]

i do but my current card runs on board power

[brisk flame]

oh

[ancient crystal]

it requires no such cable

[hexed forge]

thats neat

didnt know they still made gpus that draw board power lol

[ancient crystal]

nvidia actually makes a range of such GPUs

the 1650 Super only uses a cable to make sure it can power the cooler

[hexed forge]

yeah best i can find as a blower style is 400 lol

[ancient crystal]

yeah i wouldn't worry about it at this point

i will search my ass off when i get paid

and yes that is another allowed word

PG-13 folks

[brisk flame]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-Tesla-M10-32-GB-GPU-Computing-Processor-Graphic-Card/383308199141?epid=16034192074&hash=item593ef2f4e5:g:dLsAAOSwt-hd7Tk-

lets not forget this legendary card

4 dies on one pcie card

its a terrible card by todays standards

but still

[spare relic]

is it passively cooled

[hexed forge]

i mean just wait one additional paycheck and get a better gpu

if you can

[brisk flame]

it uses server chassis cans as cooling

[spare relic]

that is interesting

[fast isle]

I have been on the internet since the early eighties. I think longer than anyone i know for what its worth. Yeah. That and a dollar will get you any size soft drink at McDonalds

i was reading older messages - sorry

all buletin boards back then and no one knew how bg it was going to be

[spare relic]

were you using one of those university networks?

[ancient crystal]

now it's just capitalistic nonsense, lots of money going around and the users don't matter in the slightest

[fast isle]

I graduated college in the eighties and worked in the computer lab so at times yes. Before that I used gopher and jughead programs on my commodore 64

[spare relic]

that's pretty cool

[fast isle]

were any of you guys on Q - link. I would do my homework and read the chat in a lesbian chat room. My folks would have killed me . hah. I was young so what do you want

[spare relic]

lmao

iirc, doesn't Google have an archive of chatrooms going back to the 80s?

[fast isle]

🐳😺 _ ( ) _ 🎉🐻 ha hahah. oh man. It was crazy at times. The girls were really talking it up.

its not letting use the forward slash to make an elongated lol. lame

[spare relic]

😆

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/quantum$20link/comp.sys.cbm/TO1h3BoMxzQ/Bl3anNEbzygJ

[ancient crystal]

i'm still watching that engineering video

google has an archive of usenet, no chatrooms

re: MrManiac

i regret not getting into usenet while it still existed

[spare relic]

I see

that's great though

imagine browsing through the archive now to find a discussion you had 30 years ago

[ancient crystal]

https://youtu.be/uqY3FMuMuRo the sequel

and actually recently i browsed the internet to find something i posted 20 years ago

[spare relic]

hoho

[ancient crystal]

it was my first post on the internet so i decided i would look at it

it was surprisingly civil for me at 16

[ancient crystal]

that video was neat, he put an EEPROM on the board to give it actual video data

[cloud oyster]

[mental moat]

can i ask the following:
what are the differences between both rtx2060s with usd400 vs usd650?

[spice prawn]

most likely perceived value of cooler and brand

[mental moat]

can i put links to ebay for comparisons here?

[spice prawn]

aye

or just list the model names

your choice really

[mental moat]

this one usd473
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-Advanced-Overclocked-8G-GDDR6-Video-Card/202782115500?epid=3034074555&hash=item2f36c186ac%3Ag%3ARGAAAOSwn8Rdgwy-&LH_BIN=1

vs

this one usd657
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Asus-Rog-Strix-Rtx2060s-A8g-Gaming-Geforce-Rtx-2060-Super-8-Gb-Gddr6/174154022240?hash=item288c637d60%3Ag%3A60QAAOSwhiJeJkcc&LH_BIN=1

[verbal cairn]

Same card ?

[mental moat]

that i am not sure, but i did put "asus rtx 2060 super" in my keyword just for this kind of question as of why there are usd400 vs usd600 2060s cards

[spice prawn]

simple answer is what i said above

slight more complex is: one of them has a slightly higher clock out of the box

[verbal cairn]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N23mP6/asus-geforce-rtx-2060-super-8-gb-strix-gaming-advanced-video-card-rog-strix-rtx2060s-a8g-gaming

Is the eBay guy trying to sell used for a higher price ?

Or am i dreaming ?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/76hmP6

OC

[spice prawn]

re: ebay guy: that is normal @verbal cairn

[mental moat]

is there a site where can i check a spec of pc parts in details? i am sorry if this is improper to ask in this channel

[spice prawn]

all questions like that are more than welcome :)

[verbal cairn]

What am I even talking about :/

[mental moat]

i used cpuboss and userbenchmark site but i still feel like they lack the proper details that i really needed

[spice prawn]

the manufacturers page is the recommended place for specs like that

or a roundup review on one of the good review sites

[mental moat]

it has been a while since i last go to any review sites, one that i always go was madshrimps, last i visited somewhere in 2013

[spice prawn]

anandtech is my personal go-to

[mental moat]

i was thinking a site almost similar to gsmarena? where you can compare their spec on any given brands and model of your choosing, then compare their overall scores, but i guess it doesn't exist for pc hardware

[torpid garden]

guru3d for performance in gurrent games (gpu) , tom's hardware for PSU reviews by Aris, and cpu/GPU testing for real worls power draw , motherboards - I like to read the overclock.net, hwbot, win-raid forums

[spice prawn]

overall score is a hot topic @mental moat

because drivers etc

[mental moat]

hahah... i think i can understand that

can a dead gpu be resurrected? mine was ati radeon his hd3870 iceq3, died about 5 years ago

[ancient crystal]

maybe

[mental moat]

what is the base or average price of a typical rtx 2060 super?

[hexed forge]

apparently 400 which doesnt seem right cause 2070 is also 400 lol

but 2060 is about to have a price drop to 299

[granite juniper]

The cheapest 2070 i found was $440

[hexed forge]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2070-gv-n2070wf2-8gd-rev-3-0/p/N82E16814932226?item=N82E16814932226&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-video+card+-+nvidia-_-N82E16814932226&gclid=CjwKCAiA35rxBRAWEiwADqB378SYvaMf3k6mfrTkn_FKc-cLIKOqipFKQbDLAS72aLmISn_UiGSHHxoCGZwQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

heres a founders for 400 as well
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-super-8gb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-black-silver/6361329.p?skuId=6361329&ref=212&loc=1&ref=212&loc=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA35rxBRAWEiwADqB3743tsuCI2EkEM7r0LAokn2JapF7GyHlp0w6rXwmJZEVinu-iMJMASxoC5-EQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

woops

thats a 2060s lol

[mental moat]

but 2060s vs 2070 is not a fair comparison was it?

[hexed forge]

At the same price the 2070 is more worth over 2060s

I don’t understand what you mean @mental moat

[wicked hound]

2070 is like 1% or less faster then the 2060S, however is still most certainly better buy for the same price

[granite juniper]

huh didn’t see those

[wicked hound]

I checked quite a while ago so average prices may have risen, but something like a month or two ago standard 2070 was at 2060S price

[lone pond]

gtx 1650 or rx 580 8gb for 4k video editing in davinchi resolve

[ancient crystal]

neither of those are gonna perform well, but i think people use 580s a lot for that program as i recall

[lone pond]

what would be better

[ancient crystal]

i don't know the answer, i am not an expert or even a casual user of davinci resolve

i know i have heard of people doing it with a 580

[lone pond]

thanks man

[spice prawn]

@lone pond for your own sake, go and talk with the davinci community.

[lone pond]

i have tried and no one responses

[mental moat]

what i meant by "not a fair comparison" was that, 2060s is like a person who trained for years then fighting over 2070 that is like a local champ that has been long since retired for over a decade that surely going to lose. it is just my opinion in regards to that 😄

[wicked hound]

@lone pond Just as a note, that'd be 1650S and not 1650. 1650S is the same price as a 580

[mental moat]

how does amd name their gpu these days? it is confusing to me now, which one is the latest and old cards actually?

[hexed forge]

latest i believe are like the 5700 xt

last gen was the 560 570 580, gen before that was 460, 470, 480, etc

before that stuff like radeon 5650 is super old

[mental moat]

i am familiar with radeon stuffs but not the recent years naming scheemes

i believe 5600xt exist as well?

[spice prawn]

bigger better, except for those cases where that doesnt apply

[hexed forge]

well it was 400 series, 500 series, then 5000 series now

bigger is better, except when its not lol

[spice prawn]

(yes, i know that doesnt make much sense)

[hexed forge]

i dont think the 5600 xt is out yet

[spice prawn]

it is

[mental moat]

so higher number means older cards?

[spice prawn]

launch is today

[mental moat]

lower number recent ones?

[spice prawn]

other way around

[hexed forge]

yeah the higher the number, the newer the card

well, the higher the first number or 2

for whatever reason 5600 came out after 5700

[mental moat]

wait, 5600 really do exist?

[spice prawn]

yes

[hexed forge]

but in nvidia its the 700 series, 800 series, 900 series, 1000 series, 2000 series, 3000 series

[spice prawn]

should we make things complicated for you?

[hexed forge]

nvidia is a ton easier to follow lol

[spice prawn]

this is the second time that amd has a 5000 series

[hexed forge]

yep

radeon 5650 were the days

[mental moat]

okay...

[spice prawn]

https://www.techarp.com/guides/desktop-graphics-card-comparison/13/

that is the nvidia one

desktop cards

[mental moat]

i followed amd gpu up until around radeons only

[spice prawn]

https://www.techarp.com/guides/desktop-graphics-card-comparison/5/

they are still radeon cards

[mental moat]

oh

[hexed forge]

they are the bestest at names

[mental moat]

ok i think i get what you meant by "complicated"

[spice prawn]

those lists are sorted by launch date

and at the bottom of the last link, you will find the 5600xt

[hexed forge]

wait i dont see the 5650 on there

[spice prawn]

the HD 5650?