Far too hot.
#graphics-cards
peak pasture
tender mulch
No, it shouldn't. Check the fan curve to be sur they're spinning up
torpid garden
Card shouldn't let it self over 80 something C right?
tender mulch
5700XT is rated to like 100+ C though.
torpid garden
Ah, amd
tender mulch
Yeah, AMD says it's normal
empty maple
Hey everyone I'm having to send back my asro k amd readon 5700 bc it makes my display shut off at random moments, im having to downgrade bc of this I bought it on sell and now everything is 50+ more expensive then before, and recommended products I'll have 325 that including tax
tender mulch
Send it back, should be under warranty and they'll replace it?
empty maple
Well considering how many other people have had this problem with the same cars I dont want it again asrock ruined there reputation off one item for me
tender mulch
WOn't you be getting a refund then for the card?
issue is, you can't replace the 5700XT performance for $325. Those are typically $400 cards
So you'll be looking at a 1660 super or something for $250
lone pond
thats what i will be buying
tender mulch
Ok, get an EVGA 1660 Super
empty maple
Not the xt just 5700
tender mulch
Oh
empty maple
So should I just try and get a replace and hope the same defect is I'm that GPU or just get a 1660 super
Isn't in*
tender mulch
Well, the 5700 is about 20% faster. So if you want the same performance you'll have to go 5700 again. 1660 super is slower but cheaper, 2060 super is $400. So, probably 5700 again.
Are you 1440p gaming or 1080p?
VR?
empty maple
Just 1080 as of rn no vr
I really only got the 5700 so I could utilize my 165 Hertz and be able to play all upcoming games
tender mulch
Oh, Well, at your budget, that's kind of the only option then.
maybe try a different brand, Powercolor or Sapphire
peak pasture
The number one thing is: Powercolor Red Devil or Sapphire Nitro. Though none of us have tested it, thats just reviews and what we've heard.
empty maple
Is 2060 a faster card the the 5700?
dreamy dragonBOT
tender mulch
The super is
The standard is not
Well, the super is close
The standard isn't even close
empty maple
Okay thank you! Really appreciate it
stiff zodiac
lone pond
anyone know of any rx 5700s cheap or rtx 2070 or rtx 2060 supers or or 1660supers for cheap
tender mulch
Define cheap
lone pond
deals/ sales
glad ruin
microcenter
glad ruin
red dragon is a good one yea
lone pond
glad ruin
get the xt
lone pond
well heres the thing im 14 im on a tight budget i have 3600 i think the 5700 would be good but its only 60 bucks for the xt what do you think i should do
glad ruin
the xt will provide better value for a longer time. as games get more demanding it will be able to keep up for some time to come
lone pond
https://www.microcenter.com/product/610872/powercolor-radeon-rx-5700-xt-red-devil-overclocked-triple-fan-8gb-gddr6-pcie-40-video-card or should i get the 3 fan
glad ruin
ive heard very good things about the red devil
the pulse, red devil, and sapphire nitro+ are the best 5700xt from what i understand
vital zephyr
Look at you people talking about good graphics cards
I’m sitting here with my
GTX 980 Founders Edition
Which I hope is future proof enough to last me like 2-3 years
lone pond
https://www.microcenter.com/product/610552/sapphire-technology-radeon-rx-5700-xt-pulse-overclocked-dual-fan-8gb-gddr6-pcie-40-video-card it is the the runner up to best over all
good night everyone bye bye
ember imp
The pulse is a good card if your on a budget
lone pond
5700xt is 9% faster than the rtx 2060 super on avg at the same price
peak pasture
Ive heard not so good things about the red dragon, but the best things about the devil.
ancient crystal
@vital zephyr your GTX 980 i know is on par with about a $200-300 card (depending) today
it should probably be as good as an RX 5700
or maybe 2060S
abstract monolith
I thought the gtx 980 is on par with like rx 5600 or a 1060 6gb
peak pasture
Are you thinking of a 980 TI?
peak pasture
Ive been getting by with a 960. Til now.
ancient crystal
and he won't just grab a GPU, he wants to wait until he builds his next PC
but it makes sense, because he has an i5-4690
ancient crystal
yeah he's not OCing lol
i'm OCing very mildly
on my R7 2700
200MHz above base clock
tender mulch
I set my 3700x to all core oc instead of pbo two best cores.
tender mulch
Not much room to of with ryzen. Getting above what pbo does requires patience and testing. Possibly voltage. Use ryzen master. It's nice.
verbal cairn
Hello, would a 1600X bottleneck a 1650S ?
peak pasture
@ancient crystal I had a 4690k until now. Its still a very good CPU, primarily because its very easy to OC without that high of temps
@verbal cairn Nope.
verbal cairn
Is 1600X (paired with 1650S) is fine for casual gaming and studying and also music producing right
peak pasture
Yeah Id say so, it'd do pretty good for a low budget system.
Depends how expensive the 1600x for you is though, I havent seen one that cheap and they are the same price as the 2600 here pretty much
verbal cairn
I’ve been hesitating between 2600 and 1600X, but since I’m very limited budget wise I was thinking about getting a decent CPU that just can run what I do properly (no overkill for my personal needs)
verbal cairn
1600X is $106 and 2600 is $117 here where I live
I would love to, but unfortunately it isn’t sold locally
(The 1600 AF)
tender mulch
For $10 go 2600.
verbal cairn
Alright then
By the way, will I get same type of performance between a Zotac Twin Gaming 1650S and a EVGA 1650S ?
I’m also considering a Galax 1650S Ex black OC
tender mulch
Probably within a couple fps if clocks are the same
peak pasture
I dont think the 1650S in general has temp problems even on the crappiest cooler
So whichever sounds the best.
tender mulch
Either is fine.
ancient crystal
just remember: you're probably playing esports games and games that are two years old or more
with that GPU
if you can bear to save a little more it'll really help you out
verbal cairn
I really need a setup ASAP actually. I hope a 1650S will last me a few years, plus I don’t really mind playing on Medium even low settings for certain games. I’ll be playing esport FPS games so I think it’ll be fine, thanks for the tip tho !
EVGA it is
lavish rock
is the 3600 and 2060 super a good match?
tender mulch
Yes
lavish rock
sweet
fiery nymph
In my country, rx 5500 xt 4g and gtx 1650 super are priced same, which one to get?
lone pond
Rog Strix 2080, Ryzen 7 3700x now or wait till spring
abstract monolith
id get the 1650super
peak pasture
Depends what you intend to do with it
lone pond
Game 1440p Ray Tracing Ultra
mighty island
is there any way to sync a 1080ti to msi dragon center?
lone pond
Is it an msi card?
mighty island
no
it says the older version of mystic light supports 10 series and the newer version only supports 16-20
but the older version doesn't work on win10
maybe i can try running it in compatibility mode?
lone pond
mighty island
okay so i have the older version running in compatibility mode but the gpu doesn't show up
it's a zotac gpu
so i guess i'll just need zotac's utility?
mighty island
well i can't sync with zotac spectra so i decided to just have the LED be white permanently
can't go wrong with white
quasi flicker
Could I start building my new PC now even though I don't have the graphics card?
Or would anything bad happen
mighty island
you could but if you don't have integrated graphics you just won't get a picture
nothing bad will happen if you socket in the cpu/ram now
if you do have integrated graphics you can just plug in a cable into your motherboard's display ports
while you wait for your graphics card
quasi flicker
So it's fine but no picture which I knew would happen?
mighty island
yeah
tired swan
So now we have the 2060, 2060 super, 2060 ko, and the 2060 ko ultra. This is getting kind of ridiculous
granite juniper
yeah but aren't the ko just evga?
still hella crazy
so now we have 11 2060 models from evga
manic lake
Hello all. Hello. I have a custom built pc with 3 monitors. After troubleshooting, I think I may need a new video card. I'm not gaming but using this for a business computer. I'm running HDMI cables from the monitors to the graphics card. What card would you recommend me as a replacement?
bright glacier
should i upgrade my gtx 1080?
lone pond
@bright glacier no a gtx 1080 is still good in 2020 for 1440p and 1080p gaming
bright glacier
what about 4 k gaming
lone pond
ummmm one sec
bright glacier
can 1080s do vr?
lone pond
yes
4k for triple a games you can but not at like 240 fps or 144 for sum but i would stick with 1440p gaming
wicked hound
4k gaming is overrated. 1440p with MSAA looks exactly the same but higher FPS. The only "4k gaming" that should exist is VR
stoic basin
Can someone help? In apps I get almost an over sharpening/grain effect. It's fine in games. How do I fix this. I9-9900K rtx2080ti
ancient crystal
i want 1440p144hz and 4k60Hz from the same monitor
so i can run games at the lower resolution with high framerate
and have my desktop and videos be 4K
it isn't like a CRT where you can have variable refresh rate depending on resolution anyway
tawdry mirage
hey I am considering upgrading graphics cards but have a b450 motherboard with a 2600. would i need to upgrade anything else in order to use something like a 2060 super?
gray vapor
You can use as low as a 1650 Super and not have any issues
untold pulsar
So I am curious about my upgrade path. I currently have a red devil rx580 (Not great but it fit my budget and I didn't know better when building my first PC.) Im thinking of upgrading to a 1660 super in the next few months. Is that a worthwhile change? Or is there a better option? Not looking to spend more than 350 honestly and price to performance is key.
verbal cairn
There are better GPUs on the market. For around 355, I would recommend a RX 5700 and if you can stretch your budget, a RX 5700 XT.
hexed forge
what if he wants a gtx or rtx
verbal cairn
RTX 2060 cards are also an option, but not the best bang for the buck choice.
hexed forge
he wants to try to record and stream as well
from my understanding amd gpus are bad at that
verbal cairn
Yeah, NVENC is a plus when streaming
untold pulsar
Bang for the buck is honestly one of the most important things for me. Stretching budget isn't to much of a hassle as I just save a lil more. I've also heard that 5700xt's have some issues (although idk what they are honestly it was a few twitter and forum threads with a few mentions of them.)
Recording for sure. Streaming isn't that big of a thing, although something I'd want to try
verbal cairn
AMD don't have the best GPU drivers, but I think they fixed them
Not 100% sure
And if you would like to stream and record a 2060 SUPER is the way to go imo.
kind of expensive though
$400
ancient crystal
AMD fixed their drivers for the most part
untold pulsar
The recording and streaming aren't priorities. Honestly just a way to make an excuse to actually finish games instead of play and drop them.
ancient crystal
the problem with the drivers is half the time people install whatever comes with the GPU and it's ancient
or AMD's drivers will have a problem with a manufacturer's particular card design
untold pulsar
ohhhh I see. That makes sense
ancient crystal
and sometimes they won't
their people need to get on squashing bugs before they add more features
untold pulsar
So what im getting is that if I want to stream I need to get a 2060s and if not 5700 or xt is more worth it
stream and record *
gray vapor
@ancient crystal They sort of had to since a bunch of Tech Tubers called out AMD during CES for their bad drivers
untold pulsar
CES recently?
gray vapor
yes the CES that is still going on
dreamy dragonBOT
Ohtu#3864 has been warned
verbal cairn
Basically streaming will be better with a 2060S - and a 5700 is in between 2060 and 2060S performance-wise (for cheaper). And 5700XT is a faster card (without NVENC though) for cheaper than a 2060S
Correct me if i'm wrong
untold pulsar
I don't actually know what NVENC is
gray vapor
@verbal cairn depends on the game cause i have seen 2060's Supers perform better than a 5700 and again in certain games
verbal cairn
It is a NVIDIA Video encoding feature
untold pulsar
Oh ok cool.
verbal cairn
It lightens CPU heavy video tasks
I see, so performance can change between games for these 3 cards @gray vapor
I would recommend checking benchmarks and see what suits your needs @untold pulsar
And if you need NVENC or not
gray vapor
Some games could have better support for Nvidia cards like Destiny 2 as an example plays better with Nvidia cards
untold pulsar
I checked userbench early today and thats why i came to the 1660 conclusion. I just wanted some opinions from those smarter than me lol
gray vapor
check actual benchmarks
gray vapor
1660 is slightly higher than a 590 though
untold pulsar
@gray vapor where would I get actual benchmarks? I usually just use that website.
verbal cairn
The price difference beween a 1660 and 1660S isn't crazy big, plus faster memory is great
gray vapor
YouTube what ever card vs what ever other card
untold pulsar
@verbal cairn ive been told the red devil 580 i hace is actually worse than most 580s due to poor bins and bad cooling. Idk for sure im a novice here.
Oh sorry i meant 1660 super earlier
Okay thats obvious lol. Sorry for the dumb question. Thanks Ecks
verbal cairn
Hmmm. PowerColor cards are usally not too bad. I'm not sure about cooling though, I haven't owned an AMD GPU before.
gray vapor
If you go for a Nvidia card make sure it is EVGA
untold pulsar
Well I won't be getting it for a few months. Yall gave me a lot more to consider than i originally had. I appreciate the info guys. It will help for sure.
Damn and i was gonna get that silver msi 2060 and paint it white.
verbal cairn
No problem 🙂
wicked hound
1660 is just a bad option cuz 1650S
gray vapor
Who are you talking to?
wicked hound
To the conversation about the 580 vs 590 vs 1660 vs 1660S like 40 mins ago
lone pond
Whats a good temp for graphics cards? Also how good of an investment would a rx5700 xt be?
dense flicker
good temps are around 70-80
acceptable temps are mid 80's
really good temps are like 50-60
and "ur card is probably broken" temps are 0
lone pond
Okay
dense flicker
same goes for CPU's
lone pond
How bout 90s?
dense flicker
thats uhhh not so good
lone pond
Alrighty
dense flicker
i wouldnt run the card at that temp
lone pond
I heard that the 5700xt goes at 100 sometimes and I dont wanna run a card that shuts off on me when I'm in a game ya feel?
dense flicker
5700xt's do get hot
try to find a non-reference model
those have better cooling
just make sure your case has good airflow and you should be fine
dense flicker
dont get a card that looks exactly like this
dense flicker
np
lone pond
Oh oof
dense flicker
youre welcome
this is what i based my statement on btw
looks like they never hit over 85
and thats with a stress test
chances are youll never actually hit those temps
also @fallen schooner if youre still looking for a new gpu heres a good 5700xt
for $399
so technically its a sub 400 5700xt (without tax including the coupon)
bad temps with the stock cooler, but if you plan on watercooling, ¯_(ツ)_/¯
peak pasture
I wouldn't really say GPU temps are 70-80. Though Im the kind of guy that has my card kick in 100% if it hits 50.
grave valley
@peak pasture me: fan curve??? Nononono, fans at 💯
Tbh I love the sound of them
It's soothing
What are some of the supers running rn? I'm gonna check Newegg, but do you guys think any of them are good options if you're looking for a new card? I saw some game testing that made me think maybe I might wanna go Nvidia. What's up with those Intel cards too? I would watch the Linus vid but I snapped off my headphone jack inside my phone, my Bluetooth speaker is dead, and also I think I should go to sleep. Anyway if you guys have other videos or coherent answers I'll check em when I wake
verbal cairn
Should a 1650 SUPER be paired with a 75hz monitor or a 144hz one ?
tender mulch
- You won't get 144 FPS out of it
verbal cairn
I guess yeah. Getting a 75hz monitor is going to save me a lot of $ too
That’s good to hear, thanks
lone pond
lone pond
https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-460-rx-460p4dfg5/p/N82E16814150778 how good is this grraphics card (i just used it to upgrade from my workstation card)
spare relic
what's your workstation card?
spare relic
that should be a fair upgrade
I have one
a GT 730 that is
one of the 2gb ddr3 models
wooden quail
spare relic
no it doesn't
mellow kiln
gigabyte g1 vs evga ftw vs msi gaming x (1070)?
lone pond
What kind of graphics card would I want for semi-competitive gaming?
I’m using a Ryzen 5 3600 as my processor, and my overall cost without the gpu is about $600
spare relic
what kind of graphics quality do you want to achieve?
lone pond
Probably like 120 frames on medium settings for a game like overwatch
lone pond
Ok
Kinda pricey, but if it performs it’s fine
Wait so the 2070 is better for streaming?
granite juniper
its got nvenc for streaming which is really good
wicked hound
@floral steeple what is the reasoning for this? If it's for energy, you save maybe $0.5 per year
@lone pond just to make sure that you aren't getting confused, 2070 Super and not 2070 non super
floral steeple
@wicked hound I'm okay now thanks.
lone pond
@wicked hound yeah ojay
Idk ive just been kind of split between the 2070 super and the rx5700xt because I want one for streaming but I've been hearing issues with both of them
wicked hound
Streaming? 2070S easily. 5700XT sucks for streaming
wicked hound
The built in encoder isn't that good on AMD, and the software encoding done for it sucks as well. Making it even worse. The 2070S has better FPS too it's just that for $100 more it really isn't worth it. Like a couple % better then 5700XT
lone pond
Okay
wicked hound
So for non streaming then 5700XT but for streaming then 2070S
nocturne dagger
5700xt doesnt get better fps in general compared to the 2070s
lone pond
Oh oof
nocturne dagger
also 2070s doesnt have random crashes, driver issues, fan speed issues, and any other issues that happen from custom cards
lone pond
@nocturne dagger so get a 2070s
nocturne dagger
yep 2070 also has better features as well its just a saver bet also better overclocking that actually makes a difference and draws less power I believe
lone pond
:0
west marten
I am looking for a graphics card under 200$, for games like Astroneer, Space Engineers, and Minecraft. I don’t plan on playing any AAA titles
dense flicker
rx590 maybe?
nocturne dagger
1650 super
spare relic
I want to get an rx590
I'm in pretty well the same boat
I play Minecraft
I use KUDA Legacy 6.1 shaders
because it is nice
the framerate isn't
on my GT 730 2 GB
wicked hound
1650S is just the better buy compared to RX580 / 590
on average 2 FPS slower, but a fair bit cheaper and has CUDA/NVENC support
terse pine
1650s or 1660?
lone pond
do a rx 5700 or a gtx 1660 super or if your ok with spend a little more a rtx 2060 ko
peak pasture
@lone pond Guy is requesting advice on which two budget GPUs he can afford, and you suggest three inherently more expensive ones. Good job.
@terse pine 1650S.
spare relic
😆
terse pine
yea i legit said 1650s or 1660 and u said 1660s, rx 5700, and the rtx 2060 wtf
lone pond
i was responding to the wrong person
limber flax
What about a graphics card for video editing?
livid girder
at what price point
livid girder
uh
limber flax
Was considering an rx 580
livid girder
1660s
wicked hound
CUDA support would be advised for Video editing
livid girder
I think that should barely fit
wicked hound
1660S would be like $310 most likely, maybe $300 CAD
livid girder
Idk just converted using google lol
limber flax
Gonna be using Davinci resolve
wicked hound
livid girder
Idk how i messed that up
wicked hound
$300 CAD
limber flax
Huh
wicked hound
I usually just do USD * 1.33 + $10. The 1.33 makes it the value equivalent for money and it seem like a lot of the time Canada pricing is like $10 over what the actual USD value is
wicked hound
This is for video editing
wicked hound
Polaris does have better raw compute then RDNA in the same price bracket, so afaik that would be a bit better then 5500xt
But I doubt the 580 would be able to beat the 1660S with the raw compute
spice prawn
perhaps have a talk/look in the community for DaVinci?
limber flax
Hmm maybe
spice prawn
they are fairly forthcoming from what i know
wicked hound
Resolve did do a benchmark of a decent amount of GPUs before
limber flax
But it sounds like I'll be able to run that stuff at a workable speed
wicked hound
need to find it again
wicked hound
yeah I think. It was a while ago so cant remember exact
limber flax
So it looks like a decent scofe
spice prawn
IF that is it, then i would strongly recommend having a talk with their community
limber flax
*score
spice prawn
because that is from before the 2xxx series launch
limber flax
Ah ok I'll ask around the resolve community
spice prawn
think about it like this: if would be quite annoying to buy a gpu with the purpose of using the specific hardware, only to find out it doesnt "quite" work as expected
spice prawn
more along the lines of it crashes or just doesnt work with gpu assist
spice prawn
best of luck :) would you mind reporting back what you find?
limber flax
Sure!
spice prawn
thank you :)
tired swan
Not that im looking to stream or anything, just want to learn more, but what do you guys think about the NVENC? Like, if I wanted to stream would it be better to get like a 2060 over a 5700 when the 5700 is better?
tired swan
Good to know
raven pawn
Curious about this EVGA 2060 KO. Wondering if I should just keep my 1660 Super or sell it and grab this new cheaper 2060 🤔🤔
torpid garden
Users who are interested in streaming on a single pc setup will be well served by any nvidia GPU from the last two generations, other than the lowest of the low range.
NVENC is a great way to give streaming a test-run without comitting to dual PC.
My 2 bits - cap fps a few frames below refresh rate using RTSS, nv inspector, or both. Some games, like those running source engine , have very accurate framerate limiting settings, good frame pacing as well.
Others like pubg, apex, rust, BF V, - nope.
gray vapor
@raven pawn If you're gaming at 1080p or anything 1080p keep your 1660 Super until Nvidia makes something newer
ancient crystal
https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Radeon-Pro-Duo-32GB-Polaris-Professional-Dual-GPU/223778690219 this is the king of AMD compute cards
if you can afford it
AMD still sells this
despite it being before vega
also it uses 3x8pin connectors
it apparently has more overall power than any other card on the market right now, so it's likely to outperform anything in gaming too
up to and including 2080/2080S
granite juniper
i mean Vega was amazing at compute but bad at gaming
so I wouldn’t expect it to be good at gaming
ancient crystal
that's not vega, it's high level polaris
also vega is pretty okay at gaming, the problem was the cost of it
and the cost of VII
there was never really an affordable vega GPU, so it's kind of like the expectations people had were really high because of the price
which rightly so
lavish lantern
Hmm just discovered that my gpu support USB-PD fast charging on its VirtualLink port lol
It apparently support up to 27W
granite juniper
o my b thought it was vega
lone pond
is it true ray tracing is coming to AMD graphics cards?
karmic solar
I mean
If they want to really get into the market
Of course
Probably with their next gen
Is when we'll see Ray tracing amd cards
lone pond
ok then cool
spice prawn
no probably about that @karmic solar
karmic solar
I mean idk what amd is doing in terms of gpus right now
Haven't been paying attention to that
karmic solar
Fair enough
frigid moon
should i get a 2070 super now or wait until rtx 3xxx realeases
and what 2070s should i get if i want a quiet gpu
im willing to get a slightly louder one if it means lower temps etc
mellow kiln
EVGA has good reputation
Msi twin frozr is good for noise and temps
Just see whatever is cheapest with a dual fan heatsink or looks the coolest
frigid moon
im getting all the parts in april anyways
so its probably better to just wait for new releases/sales
mellow kiln
Nvidia announces next gen at some conference
mellow kiln
Gtc2020 March 22
frigid moon
oh
mellow kiln
Gigabyte is fine, so I find their coolers a bit bland
frigid moon
i saw some people say that their software caused bluescreens
mellow kiln
Maybe
frigid moon
dont know how legit that was tho, im just going to avoid gigabyte
mellow kiln
Asus not a bad bet, aurasync is biggest of rgb integration
Aorus is the one you want to avoid
mellow kiln
Idk
mellow kiln
Msi gaming x looks sick af
Rog strix is expensive
Zotac has the cheapest one and it's a tiny card if space is a concern
mellow kiln
EVGA has really good reputation for customer support and warranty
The budget options don't look that appealing, EVGA sc is probably the one I'd get if I wanted to be cheap
mellow kiln
Msi is pretty good
frigid moon
the one with 3 or 2 fans
spice prawn
@frigid moon re: software causing bluescreens: could be, could equally be the users having no clue what they are doing. (i know, i know, its an unheard of suggestion)
mellow kiln
@frigid moon the gaming x
chrome mason
Would the 1660ti be enough for streaming?
dense flicker
yes
peak pasture
EVGA XC
lone pond
@peak pasture The evga 2070s gaming one?
stiff zodiac
gray vapor
Asking for shipping is asking for money which is a no no here
hexed forge
wait but giving away isnt? i thoguht that was also against the rules lol
gray vapor
If it is something to giveaway without asking for money that is perfectly fine but asking for money to get something for "free" would still still fall under the whole ebegging rule
hexed forge
okay thats good info to know thanks
i assumed offering things fell under that rule as well lol
i assumed it counted as trading or somethin
gray vapor
I gave away countless of games for free and not once asked for money
cause i felt like giving it away
just people had to be fast with copy and paste lol
hexed forge
yeah i wouldnt ask for money either. i thought about offering someone something but didnt because of that rule lol
but also i like to keep my pc parts to build other systems later on 😛
ancient crystal
i give away all my parts and lots of other stuff
stiff zodiac
its free if you dont get caught 
suggest old games on steam that has a good story.
xD snoop dog vo on ghost 
round mason
@frigid moon i have the gigabyte 2070 super and idk where you are getting your sources from but they arent true whatsoever. Its probably the best cheapest one as the 3 fans on it will ensure it will be cool and quiet. The brand you want to avoid is zotac due to their limited and bad warranties on their gpu. Msi, asus and evga are great options too if you wanna unload more cash into it but i do highly recommend the 2070 super
its a great card in my system
lone pond
@frigid moon about 70% of time reddit wrong or just fanboys for a brand so its always better to look what you want to know or use case for.
raven pawn
@lone pond 70% anywhere on the internet is misinformation or fanboys for a brand
Side note tho I'm seriously wondering if I built my PC too early. Really interested in this RTX 2060 KO from EVGA. I went with a MSI GTX 1660 Super which has been fine but I'd like to hit higher frame rates on more demanding games.
tender mulch
Super has more CUDA cores
and more VRAM
KO is a lower version card.
I'd wait for benchmarks
and reviews from JayZ and GN and others
Honestly, it seems to be the same specs as my RTX 2060 XC Ultra Black
SLightly higher core clocks, otherwise it's literally a stock RTX 2060
More marketing mumbo from nVidia, in other words. I can clock my 2060 XC Ultra that high
raven pawn
um pretty sure the 2060 has more cuda cores but a lower clock
tender mulch
Nope
I just compared my XC Ultra Gaming
1920 cuda cores
slightly lower base clock at 1685
But you can easily OC core 200 mhz
raven pawn
the 1660 super has 1408 cuda cores
raven pawn
1660 super is 1408 cuda cores 2060 KO is 1920
tender mulch
My RTX 2060 XC ULtra is 1920
It's literally a lower clocked early version RTX 2060
The KO is
raven pawn
im comparing my 1660 super to the 2060 ko not to a 2060 XC ultra
tender mulch
I'm trying to tell you the KO is nothing but marketing wank, it's nothing new lol
raven pawn
I get that but its cheaper. 280 bucks
as opposed to the 1660 super which is 270
which is why im comparing them
tender mulch
I'd still wait for third party reviews
raven pawn
of course
tender mulch
I'm just surprised at what it actually is
raven pawn
well it was never going to be vastly different its still a 2060
they are just tryign to compete with this RX 5600 i think
i think it was 5600
but then you got the KO Ultra which is a slightly boosted version hahah
raven pawn
Its a pretty competitively priced card though. I did see a video showing the GTX cards had Ray Tracing enabled lol but its way worse than on an RTX card
well depending on the game
tender mulch
if you want RT it's 2070 or bust
raven pawn
and its like 5 games that even support it and I think only 1 or 2 that implements it really well
raven pawn
thats all im really looking for. I'd like to hit 1080p 144hz more consistently. Halo Reach runs great but it can drop hehe
raven pawn
i dont generally see abig enough difference from high to ultra to care. Im mostly running games on High
Ultra for screenshots high for gameplay is how I do it. haha. Seems like you get a bigger performance hit than a visual improvement on Ultra
tender mulch
Depends on the game TBH
abstract dome
Rtx 2060 super is great full high settings rtx on i run it at 2160x1440. Easy 70-90 fps
round mason
nani did u say 70-90 fps high settings with rtx on at 1440p? i think thats a big stretch fam maybe with rtx off you can reach that.
like i was getting 90fps with metro exodus at 1080p with rtx on with my 2070 super
2060 super is a good entry level 1440p card but not with rtx on simultaneously
lavish lantern
Tbh there not that much of a difference between 2060S and 2070
lone pond
@lavish lantern hb 2070 super
lavish lantern
That’s more like a 2080
round mason
i was comparing his 2060 super to my 2070 super
raven pawn
@abstract dome on what games tho
abstract dome
Thats on the new cod modern warfare
raven pawn
yeah averages 85 or so FPS max settings 1440p with RT on
dreamy dragonBOT
SonnieSlim#1989 has been warned
raven pawn
this benchmark is just the regular 2060 not the super and its get 80fps avg on 1440p max settings not bad
abstract dome
On multiplayer campaign not
Sure it would be less as graphical setting will be more demanding
raven pawn
yeah the benchmark video i found is multiplayer
abstract dome
I came from a 10603gb
To a rtx 2060 super the difference is crazy worth the 650 smakers for sure
raven pawn
thats pretty sweet. i do wonder about this benchmark tho because th CoD website says RT isnt in the Ground War mode and that looks like what hes benchmarking so maybe it would be a good bit lower if ray tracing was actually on. shrug idk lol
round mason
@abstract dome nice i came from a 1060 6gb and now im on 2070 super XD
abstract dome
Totally worth it imo
round mason
yea. I was able to play metro exodus in such high quality amazing graphics and great game
lone pond
@round mason which card?
round mason
2070 super
lone pond
I'm kinda making a similar jump just wanna see other peoples experience with it :)
The founders edition msi gigabyte?
round mason
gigabyte
lone pond
Oh alright
round mason
it was on sale at the time i got it
it was either gigabyte or the msi ventus but i chose gigabyte as the fans were said to be much quieter than the msi one
dawn elbow
im going to be getting the 1660 super as soon as my tax's get here
lone pond
im getting it next month
hard wren
great card
somber nimbus
ancient crystal
that was during the period when i was too poor to buy a GPU for my PC because i was partying my life away and that costs too much money
lone pond
I hev gtx 1050 i em por
dawn elbow
is the 1050ti a downgrade from a rx480?
gray vapor
RX 480 is between a 3gb 1060 and 6gb 1060
well in performance
1050 Ti is between the RX 560 and 570
dawn elbow
so the 1050 ti would be a upgrade then
gray vapor
@dawn elbow 1650 Super is an upgrade
dawn elbow
ok
vital depot
You guys think pairing a 2070 super with a Ryzen 5 3600 is a good idea
verbal cairn
It’s a good option I think
vital depot
Yeah cause I’m only planning to game not do any streaming or editing
vital depot
Yeah i know I’ve done a lot of research. I’m planning on building a computer when my birthday comes. Or maybe I should wait until nvidia releases their new cards
peak pasture
The 5700XT is definitely a considerable option at that point
ancient crystal
it also costs less
AMD's latest batch of drivers have been criticized but i don't know if they've changed them or if it's just different people getting different results
somber tendon
Hey can anyone tell me if the gigabyte aorus rtx 2070 super wind force comes with a vertical gpu bracket ?
tender mulch
No, have to buy that separately. It's a riser card.
round mason
Amd drivers still in the gutter
raven pawn
@dawn elbow honestly the 1660 super is like 270. It might make more sense to just spend the 30 or 50 dollars more and get the 2060 KO or 2060 KO Ultra. Im considering it myself. Just waiting to see some reviews/benchmarks
wicked hound
Where are you? 1660S is $230
round mason
Also side discussion i wanted to start. I read an article that with the releasing of next gen consoles gddr6 will become scarce which would lead to a price increase of all gpus. Before arguinf if this speculation is true yall think this is valid?
raven pawn
@wicked hound USA?
wicked hound
Then 1660S is def not $270, that's the ti
raven pawn
mine was 259 after tax and shipping etc
wicked hound
The ti is just an overpriced S at this point
raven pawn
the MSI Gaming GTX 1660 Super. ended up being like 270 after tax
wicked hound
Adding tax is hard to recommend in the USA when tax changes per state
raven pawn
I see this Asus card was 230 tho compared to mine which was 259 MSRP
strange they are the same lol oh well. Either way. Even at 230 a 70 dollar jump to the 2060 is appealing
raven pawn
i mean you get a really sizeable difference in performance from a 1660 super to even a 2060 KO (on paper) the 2060 to the 5700 you could argue either way from what i see
raven pawn
yeah
tender mulch
There's a 30% performance increase to be had there
raven pawn
honestly Amazon still gives me the option to return my 1660 super for a refund I might do it and grab this 2060 KO lol
tender mulch
Just don't try Ray Tracing on it
2060 for Ray Tracing is oof. Other performance is fantastic though
raven pawn
ive seen some benchmarks with RT on. I'd probably use it for cinematic games not anything multiplayer that i want high fps on
tender mulch
You'll be sub 60 FPS even at 1080p
hard wren
RT is love hate for me anyway
dawn elbow
i just have a little less of a budget then what i had when i first started to wanting upgrade my system i already have a rx480 and didnt know where that stood compared to other ones i play ark survival evolved alot and was not sure if the rx480 was good enough gpu for it or do i need to upgrade to run ark better
i am not even sure what ray tracing is for or does
hard wren
I mean ark would run better on a better gpu but you should be able to maintain 60fps medium/high settings maybe dont do directx 12
tender mulch
Ray tracing is for reflections, shadows, etc. It's honestly not that impressive
raven pawn
ray tracing isnt really supported by much and the 2060 isnt great at it anyway.
tender mulch
At least not yet, it's not mature enough
hard wren
it can be impressive on some games but others its not that noticeable or that big an improvement
dawn elbow
i normally turn the shadows and sky res down on my game and the dumb motion blur i hate that
raven pawn
Bekora is underplaying RT a bit though. Its absolutely stunning visually but its expensive. The only reason im considering upgrading my 1660 super to a 2060 is because I can still return mine for a full refund and upgrade for only like 60 bucks more to a full 2060 haha
round mason
@dawn elbow amen to no motion blur
raven pawn
@dawn elbow i can play Ark at 1080p high settings with very high framerates you wouldnt have to turn anything down i dont think
on the 1660 super
hard wren
well like red dead doesnt need RT to look stunning. It makes metro and warthunder look amazing I didnt think imo it does much for BFV
dawn elbow
is the 1650 super around the same performance as the 1660 super?
hard wren
no
hard wren
1650ti is pretty close though
dawn elbow
ok
tender mulch
1650TI doesn't exist.
dawn elbow
was going to say it not showing up lol
hard wren
doesnt exist anymore
I might be confused lol I thought there was a 1650ti until they changed the name doesnt look like it though
tender mulch
The name was changed before it came out.
hard wren
guess it just is the 1650S which isnt a great card
abstract dome
Ark is very demanding my 2060 super 2160×1440 holds a steady 50-70fps ultra everything i could drop to lower quality would do better but it looks so good
dawn elbow
i agree i started having problems running ark after i activated my windows 10 before when it was not activated i had no problem running ark
i got three parts i am going to be getting will just need to get two 8GB sticks or ram when i get paid after getting the three parts
vital depot
Very true
ancient crystal
did everyone see the Big Navi specs
5950 XT, 5950, 5900 and 5800XT
i take it back no specs
just highly believable rumors they're coming out with these cards
round mason
its hard for me to discuss about new hardware since i just got new stuff and i might get buyers regret LMAO but yeah apparently there was a amd benchmark smashing the 2080 ti
fallen schooner
I love ARK.
wicked hound
problem is that you need lots of benchmarks to get just an okay understanding of a card, not just one
lone pond
not to mention it's a card being released almost two years after the 2080ti, it would be a disappointment if they were calling it a flagship card and it didn't beat the "old" nvidia flagship
a more apt comparison will be the 30xx series
i'm waiting to see what it does against them, but i expect the ampere cards to be beastly
lone pond
yeah all the 50% perf claims increase i'm guessing is referring to ray tracing performance, not rasterized
dim aspen
One can only hope 
wicked hound
That or a very specific part of the rasterized pipeline
granite juniper
as long as something under $400 can destroy my 1070 ti ill be happy
hard wren
do we know if AMDs ray tracing will be hardware or software yet? I am assuming hardware solution but I know both ideas got thrown around
lone pond
nothing concrete but i'd feel safe saying they'll be having hardware raytracing on big navi
hard wren
it would really take a big shot a nvidia if it was a software solution
lone pond
that wouldn't make any sense, they're talking about ray tracing for next gen consoles which will be based off navi 20
hard wren
not having to dedicate cores to RT could make a huge difference
lone pond
what?
they're still dedicating overhead to ray tracing if they're using a software implementation
hard wren
overhead but not physical assets on the die
lone pond
but if they're expecting a performance hit because they have to dedicate some of the non-ray tracing specific hardware to it it's six of one, half dozen of another...
hard wren
like imagine I could use the RT cores on an nvidia card when Im not using RT
lone pond
they're still losing cycles
hard wren
I get what your saying it doesnt help that card it hurts nvidias current rtx cards
lone pond
if their implementation sucks how does it hurt nvidia?
hard wren
say amd introduces a software RT solution and then game developers start using it instead of using nvidias hardware. So nvidia cards still do ray tracing but now have a bunch of useless cores on them until next gen
buts thats not to say there isnt a good reason why nvidia chose the hardware solution and a software solution may not work
lone pond
i mean, yeah, why would they want to add the extra overhead and the less efficient route of it
look at what happens when you run ray tracing on minecraft on a 1080ti or whatever
hard wren
yeah and not much free cpu there either to appropriate
lone pond
did you ever play old games on software rendering when your old computers didn't have dedicated 3d cards?
lone pond
i.e. you want dedicated hardware for specific loads
hard wren
yeah thats probably why nvidia went that route
I dont hate RTX like some its just nvidia pushing the future of gaming as usual poor reception and then it will be mainstream in like 5-10 years
like physx
granite juniper
yeah
lone pond
i guess it was harder to predict a couple years ago when the rtx cards were announced, but by AMD embracing it is much more promising than physx
hard wren
but physx still worked almost every single game you play now has physx as it is open source
brisk flame
Made a cooler for my RX 470
Well, I still gotta finish the wiring
Does anyone happen to know what colors MSI typically uses for which wire?
hard wren
is it 4 wires or 3?
red is + black is -/ground and the yellow wire tells it what rpm to run at
the blue wire should be + for MSI
brisk flame
It's 4
hard wren
what colors
brisk flame
Black, yellow, green, blue
But only one green
Two of the others
The black red yellow you see are just the fan wires
brisk flame
Awesome, will test when I get back to dorm
hard wren
green should be for more precise control over fan speed
but if you werent going to use gpu fans why didnt you just plug them into molex?
brisk flame
Idk, I just wanted it to look slightly cleanish
hard wren
LOL that does make sense
tender mulch
Are those wires only for the fan?
brisk flame
Yeah
hard wren
fan and from the connector on the gpu
tender mulch
Interesting. Traditionally in a PC, Yellow is +12 V, Red is +5 V, black is ground
brisk flame
Yeah, but for these three pin case fans, yellow is almost always signal
hard wren
shouldnt the yellow be a pulse wire
brisk flame
Yeah, that
hard wren
I could be wrong I am not a fan wiring expert
tender mulch
Well, depends. Seeing the Green and Blue wires, Blue is -12V Ground is Black, Green is Power On but these are fans. Odd seeing so many colored wires on fans.
hard wren
well gpus usually have a 4th wire to more precisely control the fan rpms
but he is putting case fans on a gpu
hard wren
oh lol you are looking at it wrong
only 6 wires coming from 2 fans
then he cut the wires from the connector to the old gpu fans
tender mulch
SO what are the blue and green wires from?
brisk flame
The gpu
tender mulch
Lulz
tender mulch
Low power for switched fans
brisk flame
I do have some server fans with 6 wires
It's some proprietary Dell crap
Haha
When I type in "proprietary" autocorrect suggests "Dell"
hard wren
I've always want to get one of those 3000 cfm vortex fans that plugs into a 220 plug lol
brisk flame
That's when you know a business really does have a crap business model
Lol wtf
How big tho
hard wren
for extreme exhaust of a big building
hard wren
just attach it to the back of my pc and out the wall of the house
probably rip something out and eat it lol
brisk flame
hard wren
looks pro lol
tired swan
you can go on pcpp and filter to whatever part you want to see the lowest priced seller for that item
main zodiac
Does anyone have recommendations for a slight upgrade for a EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti?
hard wren
watercool it
lone pond
slight upgrade?
limber flax
Add rgb
lone pond
i mean outside of a titan rtx there's really nothing more powerful from a consumer standpoint...and you won't even have a perceptible change swapping to a titan rtx
round mason
@main zodiac i am deeply offended that you need a "slight upgrade for a 2080 ti" now im jealous 
but slight upgrade is to put it into SLI
main zodiac
limber night
dude just asked for an upgrade for a 2080
Bro just give it to me 
I'll uphrade it no problems
lyric ether
I don’t know if should get a 2070 super or a 5700XT for gaming
hexed forge
id say 2070 super
ancient crystal
5700XT is cheaper
if you're streaming get the 2070S
but consider the 5700XT otherwise
lyric ether
Ok I’m only gaming on it, not streaming
hexed forge
but the 2070 s is still more powerful even without the streaming
it may be more expensive but if you have the budget id go for it
ancient crystal
true, if he wants to spend more money it's fine
hexed forge
yeah at the 400$ range id say go 5700 but if you got 500 the 2070 s is good
ancient crystal
if you've got $400 it'll get you a baseline 5700XT
if you've got $500 it'll get you a baseline 2070S
gray vapor
ruining the color vibe 😛
dense acorn
I just upgraded my rx 570 to a 590 and now my pc barely works i couldnt get the driver to download past 2% then it crashed when i tried updating one of my games so i tried restarting in safe mode to unistall my old drivers and now i cant even get back in my pc says the password im putting i is wrong which it isnt anyone got any idea what should i do?
round mason
im pretty sure that hole in security was in windows 7
i heard it from linus tech tips XD
OMY
dis no good
magic fiber
-stop
fallen schooner
wut
stone fable
Hello, so I’m looking to build a second pc to use as a stream/work pc. I was wondering if I should go with a 1660ti or something else
It’s a pretty low budget so I can’t get to fancy
round mason
If its a stream computer and work pc dont worry about the gpu and get yourself a ryzen 3700x
Unless you will be gaming and streaming on that computer
When u said "second pc" sounds like ur doing a two system stream setup @stone fable
urban depot
does anyone know how much fps a 2080 super from asus gives
fallen schooner
probably a lot.
dense flicker
my 1050ti hit 3000fps on a low quality pixel art game
so maybe youll hit like 10,000?
hexed forge
at least 2
dense flicker
pseudo compass
Rx 5700 or rtx 2060
peak pasture
hexed forge
streaming or no
peak pasture
Not sure why youd consider a 2060 instead of a 2060S
pseudo compass
Yes streaming
hexed forge
- if you can spring for 2060 s
pseudo compass
K
elder marsh
I have a i5 4670k whats the best graphics card that won't be bottlenecked
peak pasture
By a 4670k? I mean even OCing it a bit, probably like a 580 if you can buy one cheap used on ebay, a good one anyway like sapphire nitro or red devil
Wouldn't go for much better
elder marsh
I have a 4.0ghz overclock could push it a little more if I had to
peak pasture
I wasnt far from being bottlenecked CPUwise for 4.4ghz on a 4690k with a GTX 960
I think a 1660S would outperform your CPU but not by that much if you pushed the OC a bit further anyway
nocturne dagger
@elder marsh my dad has a 4690k with a 1060 6gb and it doesn't get bottlenecked. Really great 1080p machine
elder marsh
Ok thanks for the help
fallow slate
1080p always getting the hate.
limber flax
Nothing wrong with 1080p honestly
vital depot
you guys think its worth getting a nvidia gpu in like the next two months? Or should I wait until they release their 3000 series or whatever they call it
hexed forge
unfortuneately i dont think they will be dropping another gpu anytime soon so if you need an upgrade id say just go ahead and do it. someone said somethign about a ddr6 shortage might make prices go up
royal copper
wait til gtc idk man
wicked hound
Are you happy with what you have now? If not would you be happy with what you are going to get? If not then probs wait
Also note about 5700XT
vital depot
Currently Im using a gaming laptop with a 1060 and a i7 8750H and I want to build a desktop for my birthday so ive been doing a lot of research about the best parts and stuff and i've heard rumors about new gpus coming this year.
So idk what to do
I know a 1060 isn't the worst but i really want to do 1440p gaming
hexed forge
only one to announce gpus is AMD and its not garanteed to come this year, but getting a current gpu wont hurt at all
tender mulch
1440p gaming requires a 2070 or 5700XT at this point. Waiting for the 3000 series is going to mean waiting a long while
royal copper
depends if you can live with that 1060
hexed forge
1060 in a laptop is bad lol
tender mulch
Can't re use it lol
vital depot
its a max-q
royal copper
I mean the 1060 is still pretty good, it's just a matter of how long you can wait.
ehhh
max q smax q
royal copper
It's o k
hexed forge
i mean its okay for a laptop
royal copper
just o k
vital depot
its basically a 1050ti
hexed forge
but its a laptop
royal copper
It runs doesn't it
hexed forge
ish
royal copper
as long as it turns on lol
hexed forge
if you can call 30 fps in witcher with frame drops throughout "running"
vital depot
I get what you mean but I just want to get good graphics and framerate
royal copper
If you do when will you be able to get a new system
hexed forge
if you want to build a desktop, and have the means to do it, then do it. you can wait if you want but you might be waiting a while
vital depot
About March
royal copper
Alright well you still have some time to think
Just keep an eye out if there is info on new stuff
vital depot
yeah thats what im planning on doing
spice prawn
IF you can wait until GDC, then that is the most likely spot on for an announcement
vital depot
im only gonna have like a budget of 600-700 dollars for this computer so I gotta see what I can do
hexed forge
whats GDC
vital depot
thats true
royal copper
nvidias conference
hexed forge
when is it
royal copper
idk summer i think
spice prawn
@royal copper it is not nvidias conference.
hexed forge
its game developers conference
vital depot
oh wow its in march
royal copper
still a conference
hexed forge
yep
royal copper
aren't they all the same 😂
hexed forge
so if they dont announce anything, build a system
spice prawn
yes, hence why i mentioned it (when you mentioned march)
hexed forge
if they do, determine weather you wanna wait lol
spice prawn
@royal copper "nvidia's conference" implies it is a conference they arrange/own.
which is not the case :)
spice prawn
GDC is quite nifty, generally there are a bunch of interesting talks to watch
vital depot
If they do announce anything though I highly doubt it would be anything close to the conference date. If anything they'll announce things for the end of the year
spice prawn
which gives you a better understanding on what parts to potentially wait for
vital depot
thats true
spice prawn
because with that budget, you will most likely be building with an eye towards "upgrading as you go"
hexed forge
iunno i have the same spec laptop as him and a cheap desktop would run much better. maybe not 4k but much better
vital depot
What laptop you have?
spice prawn
i think you might have misunderstood @hexed forge
royal copper
He can't get it until march anyway
vital depot
and yeah 4k is pretty much impossible at a 700 dollar budget unless you run everything at low settings
royal copper
what is your budget btw?
vital depot
600-700
royal copper
for gpu or whole system
hexed forge
oh yeah i usually dont factor in monitors and keybaords and such
royal copper
Usually I think people go with a 1660 around 700 for a system
vital depot
actually if my grandma hooks me up i could have a 800 dollar budget
cause march is my birthday which is why im waiting till then
royal copper
lol ok just don't forget that other stuff like the cpu matter too
hexed forge
whats wrong with 2600
lone pond
nothing wrong with it but 3600 is generally better
its at about a 2700Xes power and is a better deal
worthy bone
I have a question I currently have a msi ventus 1660 and was looking into an rtx 2060 super is it worth the money or should i wait now that it is a new year?
wicked hound
Certainly is a decent perf boost. But also rather pricy. Could consider the 5700XT. But...
Are you happy with what you have now? If not would you be happy with what you are going to get? If not then probs wait.
slate linden
Used Vega 56 would also be quite decent. And better price to performance
obsidian vine
How unlucky can I be
Gets new red devil rx 5700 xt
Finds out one of the DisplayPort ports is broken
I probably won’t use more than one monitor in my life but I want a fully functional card for my money
Sends it back to Newegg for a replacement
Gets new one
One of the fans is defective
I love life rn
ancient crystal
the suggestion for a used vega 56 is good, i probably am doing that because it's a beast for $200
i don't want to spend $300 on a GPU
rancid flint
Can a powerful amd card play a low power game but with ray tracing?
tender mulch
Not yet
tender mulch
YW
Honestly Ray Tracing isn't mature enough to worry about
The impact on performance vs quality gained isn't worth it
rancid flint
That's partially why I choose an amd card also I didn't need the nvenc encoder
tender mulch
I kinda doubt current gen NAVI will do well with RT. Big Navi should be better but it's hurry up and wait
ancient crystal
by the time AMD has it working in RDNA (well they already do, in the PS5/xbox SoC) it'll be a whole new generation beyond Big Navi and 5700/XT
stiff zodiac
@obsidian vine condolence
worthy bone
I need some assistance rn so the 5700 xt recommends a 600w psu minimum and i have a 600w psu would it be ok to use the card?