not without a lot of BIOS updates
#graphics-cards
ancient crystal
normal glade
ye ik
tender mulch
WIth Mini ITX you may be limited in future graphics card upgrades
summer peak
that's microatx
tender mulch
depends on the size of the case
normal glade
lol do u know a cheap psu that wont blow up like 25 to 30
summer peak
no
there are none that cheap
get a corsair cx450
that's the cheapest you'll see me recommend
normal glade
ok
summer peak
anything cheaper is a fire hazard
cold stream
wait last I checked 3600 is THE speed to get for ryzen 3000
tender mulch
2200
cold stream
but the lowest CAS possible is preferable
ancient crystal
Visi i'm watching one of those ebay key sellers, found a retail key for cheap
might just go that route because of funding issues :3
unborn sedge
up to this point, my GTX 1060 3GB has been pretty decent for 1080p 2-monitor gaming on high settings, but I recently bought myself a Rift S and I'm having lots of trouble running most games. The Steam Home is headache inducing and beat saber barely runs at low settings >.<
what would be a worthwhile upgrade for general VR gaming on medium settings, preferably under $300?
been looking at getting a 1660 Ti for a while but I'm not very well versed in GPU buying, so I'd appreciate some advice.
summer peak
@unborn sedge the 1660 super is cheaper than the ti for virtually the same performance.
unborn sedge
something like this? https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-gtx-1660-super-06g-p4-1068-kr/p/N82E16814487479
summer peak
If you can push to 330 you could get an rx 5700 which will give you a massive performance boost, but I totally get it if you can't
yes something like that would be great for under 300
gray vapor
How can something be cheaper for virtually the same price 🤔
summer peak
you might be able to find a vega 56 for under 300 too, which performs a bit better than the 1660 super, albeit is more power hungry
unborn sedge
hm, too much tho
unborn sedge
I just need to run steam home without 🤢
summer peak
unborn sedge
so yeah I think I'll get the 1660 super
summer peak
this might be your best bet tbh
but honestly
the 1660 super isn't that much worse
and the vega 56 is really power hungry
unborn sedge
hm
ancient crystal
Vega is an odd thing
next ginkgo
this 1660 Ti has a $10 off promo on it https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-06g-p4-1667-kr/p/N82E16814487446
ancient crystal
It's like still the old architecture but it's slightly different?
summer peak
1660ti is literally about 1% difference in performance compared to the 1660 super
for like 50 usd more
kinda pointless
unborn sedge
this price is more attractive to me: https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-gtx-1660-super-06g-p4-1068-kr/p/N82E16814487479 (SUPER)
ye
summer peak
64 is a lot more expensive
ancient crystal
but is also $250 so you basically pay $80 cheaper than an RX 5700 for something that is not quite $80 slower, but is slower
i'm considering it because of my limited budget
i know the 1660 Super is not going to hit vega 64 levels of performance
summer peak
considering what, the 64?
If you can get a vega 64 for less than an rx 5700, go for it
they're roughly equivalent
within 5-10fps of eachother
slender vigil
I’m just waiting for my RTX 2070 s rn
My gtx 1070 got sold fast
Imma do a full rebuild probably like February or January
lavish lantern
anyone think its possiable for a 2070 Super to hit the $400-ish range during this Christmas?
ancient crystal
if it does, good luck getting one
lavish lantern
got a 2060 S today for $500 after tax today, if nothing pops up, ill just open that
well I could just go to retailer and price match it
ancient crystal
that's a lot for a 2060 S, i take it we aren't dealing with USD
lavish lantern
yeah, im looking to return the card if any 2070 S happens to be in that price range during the holiday
ancient crystal
it is unlikely but you can certainly try
lavish lantern
yeah
the cheapest 2060S i could find is 450
and the one i got is the XC Gaming
thinking it might have a better binned chip
summer peak
You can get a really good RX 5700xt for 450 that is on par with the 2070 super @lavish lantern
ancient crystal
that is the best option
says the gal trying to get a vega 64
always cheap, without reservation
lavish lantern
imo 5700s still too early to purchase, if im going for that card, I want the drivers to be stable
summer peak
????
the drivers are stable
I'm using one right now
don't buy into the meme that AMD has bad drivers
they're even better now with adrenaline 2020 out
I use it daily for heavy VR gameplay
ancient crystal
AMD had good drivers last time I had an AMD card
lavish lantern
had enough issues with my 580
ancient crystal
and this was like 2 years ago
lavish lantern
not going back for a while
summer peak
probably hardware issues lole
There's nothing wrong with AMD drivers
this is an old meme from like 2006
ancient crystal
13 years of change
summer peak
if you want to spend 100+ dollars extra for the same performance from nvidiia be my guest I won't stop you
it's your money man
ancient crystal
did you see my $250 vega 64s
it's too bad i can't get them right away
or one of them rather
summer peak
it's there if you decide otherwise
lavish lantern
ik 5700xt performs better then 2070S
lavish lantern
adrenalin 2019 heavent been a great experience for me
Wattman decide to randomly crash drivers and sent error
copper sleet
adrenalin 2020 hype
lavish lantern
yea
the Nitro+ i used is great
is it worth it go grab a cheap blower 5700xt and strap a aftermarket cooler on or just get a card with a normal 3-fan design from aib?
summer peak
the sapphire nitro+ is fantastic, as is the powercolor red devil
you could water cool a reference pcb if you want
but those two are great as is so I don't really see the point
unless you really want every ounce of performance possible
lavish lantern
cheapst 5700xt i can easily find is $370
ancient crystal
that's a really good price
summer peak
ehhhh
be careful
I really only recommend sapphire and powercolor 5700xts
most other AIB manufactuers coolers have massive problems
with these particular cards
the sapphire pulse, the sapphire nitro+, the powercolor red dragon, and the power color red devil
amber summit
anyone know if the 2080ti ventus is worth getting?
amber summit
anyone know if the 2080ti ventus is worth getting?
lavish lantern
2080 Ventus uses 2080 FE PCB
abstract dome
I have the 2060 super ventus it's great wish it was a 2080ti tho
lavish lantern
2070 Ventus is bad
It shares a similar PCB with normal 2060
But with large space of blank PCB
And coil whine
abstract dome
None yet on my end🤞
lavish lantern
I sold it recently and still deciding wether go with a 2060Super or something else
2070 Ventus uses a PCB with 2060 hole spacing
So it’s impossible to put on a Kraken G12 bracket
abstract dome
I upgraded from a 10603gb to 2060 super ventus I'm happy with it..
lavish lantern
It’s fine
But when there is things like Windforce
For the same/lower price
Id go with that
Ventus is great for a MATX/ITX build
Cuz it’s length is shorter then a ATX board’s width
summer peak
If you go 5700xt do not get an msi or xfx card
all of their models have serious issues
the best are sapphire and powercolor
novel shoal
have any brand suggestions for 1660 supers?
gray vapor
depends on the game i would say
There is like a game or two that the 2060S would be better than the 5700XT but that is because the company doesn't really like AMD
amber summit
5700xt sapphire nitro + looking kinda op
summer peak
5700xt is more going up against the 2070 super
the only reason you'd compare the 5700xt to the 2060s is because of the price tag
lavish lantern
For around 500 I could either get 5700XT Strix or 2060 Super XC
tender mulch
5700xt
remote seal
Yoo, how much fps will a 1660 ti run on fortnte
remote seal
?
amber summit
get xt
gray vapor
Fortnite at 1080p could get over 100
to me i don't see the point since console players are 30 to 60 fps will most likely beat you still
lavish lantern
Or I’ll wait for the upcoming Radeon cards with support for Real time RT
quasi flicker
Don't know about chapter 2 FPS but 133 @remote seal
remote seal
Is that on max
hushed stirrup
Just curious. How many type of Sapphire Nitro+ 5700XT version are there in the market? I saw a few online which has different power consumption and some might have mislabelling too.
wraith pasture
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=444&m=41 @hushed stirrup
upbeat reef
I'm looking for a budget gpu, id like to run red dead redemption 2 at 75 frames, along with mhw at 75 frames
I get this may not be possible and if so that's fine, but I'd like a budget gpu tho, anyone know of some good ones
summer peak
What sort of budget?
upbeat reef
And my budget is 100-200
summer peak
if you want to stay below 200 you can get a 1650 super
if you're okay with going a bit over, you can get a 1660 super
summer peak
the 1650 super should be able to run rdr2 on low settings at 70-75 fps
slender vigil
Asus Strix was good for RTX 2070 s right
gray vapor
@summer peak more like on medium settings cause for RDR2 on a 1050 Ti medium is 40 fps
summer peak
I looked up benchmarks before I gave a number
a 1650 super can expect around 75 fps on low settings at 1080p
gray vapor
Well this is mix medium and high settings for the 1650 Super on RDR2 https://i.gyazo.com/a1a93fa6dac1c4b39bb2355e5b5fe14f.jpg
so all medium would be over 60 fps
gray vapor
and the one thing the guy says in the video for RDR2 is that it only reads the 1650 Super at 3.3gb
upbeat reef
Anyone have a link to a good 1650 super that isn't too expensive
upbeat reef
Tysm
summer peak
if you can spend a bit more this has a better cooler and better boost speeds
it's not a huge difference, though
upbeat reef
Ok
gray vapor
that link is unavailable
summer peak
so it is
gray vapor
Also Zotac is a very good company
summer peak
yeah they're totally ok, that's just a newer cooler and I haven't seen any reviews of it
gray vapor
summer peak
doesn't list thermals
gray vapor
thermals should be close to 60c on load anyways
I used to always use anyways the lower end mid tier GPU's like the GTS 450, GTX 650 Ti Boost and the GTX 950 and those cards always hit on full load 55c and right now my single fan EVGA 1660 hits 60c on max load so i would expect a 1650 Super to be between 50c to 60c
spare relic
ok boys rx 590? I want to upgrade from a gt 730 (2gb ddr3)
gray vapor
If you want to keep using Nvidia i would say the 1650 Super if you want to move onto AMD i would say the 5500 XT
spare relic
what's the 5500 XT's msrp?
gray vapor
200
spare relic
ah
gray vapor
performance is similar to the 590 and should use less power
spare relic
sounds p guud
gray vapor
1650 Super is close to the performance as well to the 590 and costs less
summer peak
the 1650 super is the better deal
spare relic
I won't be getting a card anytime soon tho I don't think
gray vapor
I know it would be a better deal but there will always be those AMD fanboys as well and Maniac i am not calling you a fanboy ok
hushed stirrup
Is there any words on next year gpu? Will AMD card carry ray tracing?
summer peak
almost certainly but we can't say for sure
The AMD gpu in the xbox series x does raytracing
so
I can't imagine hey won't
hushed stirrup
But that means the pricing will probably be very high.
hushed stirrup
True, but they could also fall into the same trap that Nvidia and Intel have fallen into after some time.
ancient crystal
not likely
AMD consistently shows they are willing to undercut in order to make up for nvidia's added features
nvidia has NVENC, hardware ray tracing
AMD undercuts intel while missing those things
even if AMD adds ray tracing they will still undercut
it's the way they've done things for years
ancient crystal
interesting, since i'm looking at used cards
vega 56 performs very, very close to the 64 as i'm looking at benchmarks
it's also quite a bit cheaper
ancient crystal
between it and 5700, it's a definite difference (about 15-20% roughly) but it's also $130 of difference and better than any card i can grab for $200 on the new market
summer peak
I don't like buying used cards because you never know what the owner did with them
I only really buy used stuff off of friends
wicked hound
Lot of the time with electronics, if it works then it'll work for a hell of a while. If not, then just return it is guess
ancient crystal
yeah
i won't buy from an ebay seller that doesn't offer a return policy
and i'm talking printing out your shipping label and the seller eating the cost kind of return policy
through ebay, not separate from it
because ebay can intervene and refund your money if the seller messes up on it
i've had this happen before
ebay has the absolute best infrastructure for returns i've ever seen
so if a seller wants my trust, they have to use it
pseudo spruce
@ancient crystal I usually don't buy from sellers that don't offer returns either but in a few cases I've messaged sellers like that telling them about my concerns and they've messaged back offering to allow a return if something goes wrong with the item.
mighty island
would the 3600X struggle to keep up with a 2080S for gaming?
ancient crystal
no, it shouldn't
also your user name is eye bleach, if you'll forgive the double entendre
also @pseudo spruce that's a good tip, I'll use it in the future
for GPUs it's a good insurance policy to be able to return it
if someone refuses to accept any kind of return, it's usually because something is wrong with the product or they're unsure how the product is going to turn out for you
if you do the ebay dispute resolution thing, they can check your messages to see if the seller offered a return in the messages
should you need to dispute it
if not you can just go to the UPS store or the post office
get the slowest shipping
and send it back (if they won't offer an ebay return after)
i've had to do that
worldly crow
@mighty island no any 3rd gen ryzen 5 or 7 should be good , the new ones are very powerful
@ancient crystal they cant deny a return ebay dont let ppl rip u off u just have to go by thier policies
even if the seller says no return ebay themselves allow returns and theyre selling on ebay so yea they do returns
ancient crystal
yeah, i know
i've had that experience before both as a buyer and a seller
i consider it a good thing and i always accept returns when i sell things
but i expect a reason for those returns
if something doesn't work though people are generally obligated to accept through the dispute process
lone pond
everyone should buy a 1060 bruh
ancient crystal
no
lone pond
😂
ancient crystal
1060 is a waste of money right now
lone pond
wait u r a girl and u know about computers? respect
fallen schooner
ancient crystal
bruh
i don't know everything about computers, but i know some things
and being here i'm learning a lot
fallen schooner
\o/
lone pond
cool
ancient crystal
i can put together a PC but i am not the greatest at picking parts
i could say i'm better at it since coming here not even a week ago though
fallen schooner
ancient crystal
either is fine, it depends on your workload
lone pond
right
ancient crystal
which countryball is that in your user icon
lone pond
I think 1920s Afghanistan
lone pond
Yeah, just wars bruh
ancient crystal
not really
lone pond
just in the last 50 years
fallen schooner
Lets keep this gpu talk.. ^.^
buoyant basin
@worldly crow Thank you for the info. As I'm currently considering buying second hand 4790K and 1080 for upgrading my 5 Yo PC, expecting the total cost to be below 250€, I'm glad to see I may return prospective defective components.
modest reef
$389.99 ($429.99-$20.00 w/code VGASAV43X -$20.00 MIR) +Borderlands 3 or Ghost Recon Breakpoint + 3 months of Xbox Game Pass
ancient crystal
mail in rebates are a paper check that comes to you physically in the mail after you've already forgotten about it
lone pond
i have had gpu, mobo, and laptop MIR's that all never arrived
ancient crystal
because you haven't forgotten about them yet
you have to forget about MIRs for them to come
lavish lantern
And you might receive them 10 years later and thought: wow I once bought it???
lone pond
yea it's been a year for me
lavish lantern
Found a dead 295X2 FE PCB
For 50 bucks
And the chip on them is fine
Just power delivery
granite juniper
hmm so thats like 370 usd
pretty good deal, the cooler isn't anything great, but it should be better than blower models
ancient crystal
blower models aren't inherently bad, they're just noisy
gray vapor
like hearing a car engine everyday 😛
pure panther
Does anyone know like a cheaper card that still runs slightly older games for around a hundred bucks, I'm building my gf a PC so we can play old games together like civ league and others
cerulean rover
Rx 570 is around 120$ new, pretty good card
novel shoal
Purdy plz gpu gods, put the 1660 super on sale for $200 soon. apeople
wicked hound
1660S is $230 tho. Not like it's that much of a discount
If $30 makes that much of a difference then get used
novel shoal
ik i'm bein greedy . is evga good for the 1660's? I've heard asus and msi aren't too good? My current card is a msi and it's pretty nice just old
wicked hound
Probably. But a 1660S doesnt produce much heat so it shouldnt matter much
novel shoal
1660 super should be better than 5500xt, right? I know there's a 2gb diff, but the 1660s is more powerful? Unless somehow pcie4.0 makes much of a diff
wicked hound
5500XT is basically 1650S / 1660 perf. 1660S is closer to 1660Ti
5500XT is a pretty bad buy. Def go 1650S or 1660S, depending on your money
novel shoal
sounds good, thanks
worldly crow
only thing i think really utilizes pcie4 is the new m.2's from seagate theyre pcie4 gen4 m.2
summer peak
I'm pretty sure you see a minor (and I do mean minor) performance increase on the rx 5700/xt
but obviously that's not from saturating the pcie lanes so idk
wicked hound
probably latency
lone pond
IF you're the kind of user who wants 2-4 pcie gen 4 drives in a 16x pcie slot 4 drive riser (lots of support for bifurcation on x570 even,not just HEDT anymore ) then 4.0 is quite nice. 4.0 on launch, eh, less so
Not to mention filling out the dedicated nvme x4 lanes from cpu, then the 4 (total ) but <silly high number the chipset is capable of multiplexing them to
worldly crow
the pcie4 drives ive seen are m.2
this is one of the drives i was talking about theyre lightning fast also they are 5000 read and 4000 write
lone pond
Do you max out full speed sequential multithreaded qd 32 file transfer often?
Great drive - but the i/o , especially the single thread qd1 4k random read and similar workloads are the impressive parts.
worldly crow
doesnt mean i cant have the most powerful ssd in the world lol
would that include 4k games?
lone pond
True, just as I'm free to bolt 3200 watts of PSU into a dell box.
worldly crow
lol
lone pond
Exaggeration - would be more like say, a 1600 T2 for a 3700x /2070s build. I think that's cool af - but the min/maxers won't
But ya - that, and the MP600 certainly impressed me - they're not just banking on the 4.0 alone, the new controller and all really helps I'd guess.
worldly crow
hoping the new intel boards will have pcie4 , but thats a big hope
lone pond
To answer the actual question, very likely not noticeable in pretty much any game. An optane, on the other hand, is .... nice - not HDD to NVME nice - but like HDD to 2011 ssd nice IME.
I couldn't care less about 4.0 on z490 - waste of dev money imo with 5.0 so close, my guess - tons of L2 and last level cache on die/package + I'm really wishing for 4 dedicated , maybe 8? 3.0 lanes for nvme. 4 would be fine, since the chipset is still there
worldly crow
pcie5?
ancient crystal
4x2TB NVMe drives in RAID-0 or whatever that RAID is that does striping and mirroring at the same time
the UNLIMITED POWER
pure panther
Can someone help me lol
ancient crystal
what are you in need of help with
pure panther
I have the option of one 1660 ti or two Rx 480's in crossfire
pure panther
The rx's are both 8 gigs
ancient crystal
so you should get the more powerful 1660 Ti
crossfire is not going to reliably work with all games
and then it's like one GPU
pure panther
Or should I just spend more
And get something more
I'm going to play triple a titles and be
Vr*
ancient crystal
if you can afford an RX 5700 @ $330 minimum then that would be really good
or if you want to be cheap you can get the much similar performing vega 64 for like $250-270 on ebay
ancient crystal
for RX 5700 get red devil or red dragon
or sapphire pulse+
red devil and red dragon are both powercolor
i can't recommend getting a used card for any reason
because there are issues that come up
sometimes
pure panther
What about a used motherboard
ancient crystal
probably same
spanking new stuff unless you're absolutely sure what you're doing
pure panther
Idk cuz I'm building my gf a crappier build that I don't want to spend a ton on for Xmas she just wants to play simple games like league
I'd literally ask someone for their old card for that
pure panther
I'm thinking about getting a rx 5700 for my new build
granite juniper
you can get 5700's at 300 or less on sale
novel shoal
what's a good price for a used 1070ti?
pure panther
@granite juniper where might I find one of those
granite juniper
the coolers aren't the best, but they work, and the non xt 5700 won't throttle, and you can always undervolt it and overclock it to get better thermals with no performance loss
pure panther
XFX Rx 5700 XT Raw II 8GB GDDR6 1905MHz 3xDP HDMI PCI Express 4.0 Graphics Card Rx-57XT8OFF6 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WRYC3MT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_KVy-DbT90J8CA
Is that better?
@granite juniper
summer peak
Those are really bad coolers and will constantly run 70-80c
it's not dangerous in the sense that it won't cause the card to fail catastrophically, but it will be noisy as heck and I don't think it's good for the longevity of the card.
get this one
it's 330 on sale right now
granite juniper
@pure panther thats a xt model, which is a better performing model at a cost
i mean with undervolting+oc, it'd probably not hit over 75c, and 80c is still within spec, but yes its a bad cooler
pure panther
Idk I like the xt model design more than that pulce one lol
granite juniper
and even the blower 5700 doesn't hit 80c
novel shoal
what's a good price for a used 1070ti?
granite juniper
200-250
summer peak
about 10% performance difference in favor of the 5700xt
the pulse will run much cooler
and quieter
I can't stress enough how hot that XFX card will run
one moment
it will still run hotter than the pulse, but it's a much better cooler than the xfx RAW
@pure panther
pure panther
Aww that's so plain looking haha
pure panther
I know but still don't want it to look trash haha
worldly crow
my gtx 1070 dont even get 65c
i have a nice spacious case and i run fans at max so that helps. also reseated the gpu on the heatsink with some artic silver 5
pure panther
Can you put stickers in a GPU lol
worldly crow
i had a xfx radeon hd 7950 was hotter than a mother lol main reason why ill most likely never buy another radeon card again. never had any issues with nvidia so thats who i stick with
cerulean rover
why would you?
pure panther
So it doesn't look plain
cerulean rover
vrm n stuff could heat it up enough for it to fall off
granite juniper
i wouldn't think the shroud would get that warm
cerulean rover
(if you're talking about inside as in like on the board)
novel shoal
anyone know any issues with https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-gtx-1660-gtx-1660-ventus-xs-6g-oc/p/N82E16814137400?Item=N82E16814137400&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2Fproduct%2FMYMwrH%2Fmsi-geforce-gtx-1660-6-gb-ventus-xs-oc-video-card-gtx-1660-ventus-xs-6g-oc&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-i8wBCYBD5Pgk1w1rIruBYw ? It'd be nice if it runs cyberpunk at decent settings, but by that time I might upgrade again
cerulean rover
Oh the shroud it should be fine
granite juniper
@novel shoal i'd go with the 1660 super if you're going to buy that, its like $20 more for nearly 1660 ti performance
ancient crystal
yeah was about to say
novel shoal
cuz this 1660 comes to 190 after promo code and mir
pure panther
Sapphire 11293-03-40G Radeon Nitro+ Rx 5700 Xt 8GB GDDR6 Dual HDMI/ Dual DP OC (UEFI) PCIe 4.0 Graphics Card https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XMNGVVD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Bkz-Db72S4MF7
Is this one good?
I might buy this one
granite juniper
its a good one, but slightly overpriced
i'd go with the red devil https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Devil-Radeon-GDDR6-Graphics/dp/B07WP6TYQ3/ref=sr_1_1?
summer peak
The red devil and the nitro+ are on the same performance tier
get whichever is cheaper
technically I think the red devil is slightly more performant but the difference is so minor just get whichever is cheaper
both are among the best coolers in the 5700xt line
granite juniper
^
worldly crow
what about the taichi?
granite juniper
the cooler isnt that great
its overpriced, just like the strix for the cooling performance
summer peak
the aorus is actually okay, though. Still overpriced, but if you gotta have that SICC RGB they did a decent job this time
Really though, stick with the nitro+ or red devil
granite juniper
yeah it looks hella clean and performs like the other gigabyte one, which is a good cooler
worldly crow
pure panther
@worldly crow that's what I want lol
summer peak
the nitro+ is really good
pure panther
Or I could get a gtx 1080 ti 11 gb
pure panther
Get the Rx?
summer peak
I'd get the 5700xt personally yeah
pure panther
Okee
worldly crow
yea unless u like nvidia
pure panther
Thanks guys^-^
worldly crow
do u have a 600+ watt psu?
summer peak
@pure panther you'd get better performance going with a ryzen 5 3600
pure panther
I got the processor as a gift already
lone pond
2700x at cheap cheap price is very attractive - even I bought one on prime day lol - one think you could consider is investing $200 ish in an x570 aorus elite or asus TUF for more headroom for upgrade
Also - just better QoL in the years you'd have to endure that asus b450
summer peak
you're literally crippling your performance for that look
like really badly
if you're willing to pay substantially more, yes
actually
I stand corrected
this is pretty decent and is rgb on top of it
but really
you shouldn't be chasing a specific look unless you have infinite money
lol
summer peak
yes you can, but if you're working within a specific budget you're going to have to cut your performance drastically to meet that look
it's a mistake
pure panther
summer peak
It's like buying a car that has the looks of a bugatti and the performance of a honda civic
pure panther
That's it currently
summer peak
it could be a lot worse, at least
pure panther
Well what can be better lol
summer peak
they have a 2tb 7200rpm drive
it's why I'm asking if there's a reason you're going 4tb
cerulean rover
You could get a single 2tb sabrent rocket I think
summer peak
are you going to do a lot of video capture or something
sabrent rocket is a good choice too
cerulean rover
with that like 180$ between the two
pure panther
No it's good I don't need it
worldly crow
atlkeast a 7200 rpm or regular ssd
summer peak
you can get a new sapphire pulse for 330
worldly crow
also is that m.2 a boot drive?
pure panther
No the nitro one
summer peak
I don't see the point when the pulse is 330
you're paying 25 dollars for nothing
if you must it's about 10% worse performing than the 5700xt
pure panther
summer peak
it's not a bad card
worldly crow
if the m.2 is a boot drive then it will require 4 pci express lanes and u only get 16 lanes with that cpu
summer peak
he's still fine
worldly crow
which means the video card wont be running at x16
summer peak
the gpu will only use 8x anyway
pure panther
Should I get it?
worldly crow
hows that?
summer peak
he's not going to see worse performance
cerulean rover
I thought it had 24 lanes, 4 lanes Mobo
worldly crow
id use a regular ssd 500gb for windows then use another one say like 2tb or bigger for everything else
that wouldnt require losing 4 lanes
summer peak
I stand by saying he won't lose performance on 8x with that gpu
pure panther
I bought it for 340
zenith kraken
Question about the 5700xt, is it true there having alot of bad drivers that cause alot of hassle currently?
summer peak
not really
There were issues in the first month
but I use my navi GPU daily and have no issues
spice prawn
@worldly crow "on a single card theres a difference between x8 and x16 lol" <- No, not in any meaningful way.
tender mulch
Maybe 1-2 fps
summer peak
not with the 5700xt anyway
tender mulch
maybe
spice prawn
Bekora, i would say that is within standard deviation/variation
tender mulch
Indeed
However, that's what published benchmarks show. The bottom line is that there is no difference
worldly crow
i always run my cards at x16 i could use my m.2 as a boot drive but its not needed my ssd loads windows in less than 10 secs
spice prawn
Otroud / that statement is related how?
worldly crow
thats what the whole x8 convo was about
spice prawn
@summer peak "not with the 5700xt anyway" <- we dont really have any cards where it matters
Otroud / running your card at x16 does not matter.
in other words, you are giving advice that has no basis in reality.
summer peak
We're getting close with the 2080ti
the next generation probably will see a real performance impact
spice prawn
Personally i think we are 2 generations away from x16 (3rd gen) being fully used
wicked hound
x8 just got fully used with 2080Ti, 16x is far away
ancient crystal
heck
it never really is gonna matter unless someone gets an old system and tries to use a modern card
it won't happen if someone is using something a generation back
meanwhile looks at vega 64s on ebay and is shocked at the difference in prices
Visi it's the weirdest thing
they go from $250 to like $450
for just... used cards
and they sell
summer peak
If you can get one for 250, go for it, but really above 300 just get an rx 5700
ancient crystal
yeah i understand that
lone pond
It's not that black and white. So few things in "is x part vs y part faster, does this bottleneck that"
summer peak
👍
ancient crystal
i'm going to follow them over these next couple of months
because i have priorities otherwise in my build
gray vapor
I believe Demon bought 2 Vega 56 for 280$
ancient crystal
and i have a lot of time on my hands
yeah vega 56 are cheap
but they're also not very good
i mean, it's not that they aren't very good
it's more that they're about on-par with the $200 price tag
and as a bonus you get extremely high power usage
gray vapor
in #tech-deals he also got a Vega 64 for 200$
ancient crystal
damn
i was actually considering a vega 56
oh you can say damn. i'll be damned.
summer peak
If you want to do VR do yourself a favor and get at least a vega 64 tbh
ancient crystal
yeah i know
lone pond
usually people who get Vegas know they will be best suited by a vega thankfully. Others just get one anyway, and I don't mind a bit because AMD needs all the help it can get in that dept lol.
summer peak
thankfully AMD is killing it with the RX 5700/XT
the 5500/XT is... oof
ancient crystal
i like the architecture, it's like some kind of massively multicored GCN
the Vega rather is
summer peak
I hope they drop the price on the 5500
ancient crystal
i hope they do too
gray vapor
id rather pay 200$ for a Vega 64 then for a 5500XT
ancient crystal
it's so close to the 5700
i watched a benchmark video
it was absolutely bananas how close it gets
and it even won on warhammer: total war of all games
hahah
lone pond
have to remember - benchmark graphs don't tell the whole picture, it's valuable to watch reviews by those really dedicated tech tubers, enthusiasts, whoever - for the subjective stuff
lone pond
It's difficult to translate frame pacing, frametime consistency as seen by the eye vs as rendered vs as noticed , list goes on
summer peak
total war is extremely CPU skewed though
ancient crystal
i wasn't looking at graphs i was more doing a quick onceover of average FPS
summer peak
so
summer peak
it uses the CPU way more
lone pond
Single thread limited? That would kinda make sense.
lone pond
The other thing too - the vast majority of popular games are limited by the cpu, gpu , memory , architecture differences - in more ways than can be condensed into "4k gaming doesn't care about CPU"
Not that you all say that
But I bet you've heard it lol
gray vapor
A lot of tech tubers i watch always runs their tests at least 5 to 10 times to get a rough number for the performance of said card and game
ancient crystal
there is some stuff you see in benchmarking that shows the vega 56 edging on the 5700
summer peak
yeah it depends on the game and how that game taxes your system
lone pond
"the render thread" is a buzzword that popped up, and it's very much true. Just one of the many considerations
ancient crystal
the render thread?
lone pond
Even within the same game - you have people who run thei b-die at JDEC all it's life, stock 9900k, 2080 ti without ever touching power limit and play csgo - at global eagle eve - in like - borderless window
And maybe it goes without saying - I'm a bit obsessive over the details
gray vapor
There are some i have seen that made a graph on one play through for each card which is hard to believe the results cause someone could have the same like build but have better or worst performance which is why i like people that runs the test more than once and actually mentions that they did it more than once to give a proper average
gray vapor
go buy one theo
summer peak
@wraith pasture mod gibe 2080ti plz 
lone pond
Buy a card like mine but b-stock, waterblock that boi, run until your 3080 ti
summer peak
3080ti better be good
gray vapor
oh dang it is wednesday now
lone pond
I only nag theo about this because he legit games on it enough to 1000% make it worth it
gray vapor
30 min left to see what EVGA has in stock this time
wicked hound
I hope 3080Ti is worth buying
summer peak
it better not be 1400 dollars like the 2080ti was at launch
wicked hound
That or AMDs GPU
lone pond
Planning on getting one?
wicked hound
yeet
gray vapor
One GPU i want to get for emulation still is a GT 710 >_<
wicked hound
Also planning on doing watercooling
but holding off cuz maybe new GPU
custom watercooling*
lone pond
I think $1200 reference 3080 ti would be fine if it had an equally solid pcb as Turing, but just a nicer cooler.
wicked hound
I personally think $1200 for a consumer GPU is bad
lone pond
I don't think it's aimed at a wide scope of the consmer market.
gray vapor
Well everything goes up in time
wicked hound
Yee everything gets more expensive, but this recent price bump is far too much
lone pond
Right, but ideally, inflation is like 1% / year
summer peak
I think 800 is about the upper limit and that's how it used to be
wicked hound
TBH, $600 or so I think should be close to upper limit. Maybe $700 given some other stuff like RT cores and NVENC
lone pond
I mean, a huge part of this "problem" is that the 1080 ti was disgustingly good - then nvidia launched a massively different architecture
wicked hound
Cuz I mean, $400 for 5700XT
summer peak
the 5700xt is incredible value and that's why I shill it so much.
There's really no reason for anyone to buy Nvidia from the 300 to the 500 dollar price point
the 2080 super is even a hard sell
lone pond
Tons of new features that didn't neessarily show value to the steam gamer market and it took them until Jan 2019 to really make NVENC a no-brainer for every aspiring hobbyist or pro streamer
summer peak
I still think AMD can make their encoder work
lone pond
It's definitely incredible value - I remember seeing the early leaks of those guys hitting 2k core on water lol.
summer peak
And I hope they do
gray vapor
They can but really i doubt they would
wicked hound
I do hope that AMD can get their encoder to work. That'll majorly help them in being a worthy competitor
summer peak
It's one of the only reasons people should buy Nvidia over AMD, they absolutely should
lone pond
I mean, this kind of thing takes a while - tbh - I think AMD is simply pulling away so quickly with silly high desktop and HEDT core counts, who needs NVENC
summer peak
If AMD gets a decent encoder then it's pretty much just raytracing -- and I think AMD is going to have their own implementation of that soon anyway
lone pond
x264 looks better anyway - resources provided
summer peak
I mean, the xbox series x is running AMD and has raytracing right?
wicked hound
Was it actual hardware acceleration tho?
lone pond
RTX isn't really well defined - not trademarked like say - HDMI is. e.g. VRR is the generic term for variable refresh rate
gray vapor
Well Microsoft said it will have Ray Tracing
wicked hound
Problem there is, 1080Ti supports RT
gray vapor
But i think they want to experiment it on a console first before even attempting it for PC
lone pond
RTX/DXR is implemented in DX12 afaik - (not super well - I don't care much for RTX) and the compute oriented config on turing is pretty good at it
summer peak
I wouldn't be surprised if the next gen amd gpus have some form of hardware support for ray tracing
I do think it's important going forward but right now it's just not there
wicked hound
Yeah, same
idk about next gen AMD, but two gens seems like a decent amount of time for a response
gray vapor
Well AMD has to do it software based because Nvidia has a patent for the hardware side of it
lone pond
The GPU itself is really just a way we build "hardware acceleration" - huge dies of cores/cache that can do one "math" to a big "block" of data all at once
wicked hound
true
summer peak
Nvidia can't really stop anyone from making their own version of the technology
that's not exactly how patents work
lone pond
But you're right in that it can be taken further, say - an ASIC like the dedicated hardware encoding chips found on Pascal and Turing cards - or the FPGA which is like an etch a sketch asic that apple paid $$$$ to develop for afterburner
Asics are what crushed GPU's in btc mining at sha-256 btw
I just think AMD has been, and will continue to best spend their resources on just wrecking Intel , and maybe later, by extension, nvidia , byreleasing these 32 core chips and on lol.
gray vapor
It would of been cool though if Nvidia made more than just mobile processors
Cause isn't Intel trying out for their own dedicated GPU's?
ancient crystal
intel is not
at one point they were but it was going to be a ton of x86 cores running at a slow speed calculating all the graphics in software
they could never get it to be good at graphics
so they released the tech as Xeon Phi
i just watched a silly guide on overclocking and undervolting AMD GPUs but it was very informative
gray vapor
But still would of been cool to see a Nvidia APU like having the iGPU the equivalent to the GT 1030
It has always been my thought on how come Nvidia never bothered to attempted making CPU's/APU's for desktops for about 7 years now
ancient crystal
well nvidia probably doesn't know how to make CPUs?
lone pond
Knights Landing - the Xeon Phi wasn't really a GPU, what Intel is planning to launch next year could be more accurately described as such.
ancient crystal
they'd need to get some people who knew how to make CPUs
lone pond
Fwiw - I personally know a few faculty who worked in the private sector for team red, blue, green, big blue, or other and jumped ship halfway through.
To some extent, there's a lot of carry-over.
ancient crystal
interesting
i feel like intel still isn't going to make a standard type of GPU though, and nvidia is unlikely to make a standard CPU, if they did they'd make an APU
but an APU that had some significant power enhancements
lone pond
Intel has sorta kinda done that with the iris HD graphics in some netbooks on the thicc end e.g. the 13" macbook pro fall 2017
summer peak
nifty little things too, but they have their issues
ancient crystal
i like the tegra series
based on my experience with my now deceased Switch I really was impressed with the X1
apparently the new Switch might be less likely to become deceased
so i'm cautiously thinking about buying one... sometime
as i have a fair bit of games invested already
ancient crystal
and one specific game console
gray vapor
Shield is a great system still
ancient crystal
doesn't it just have bog standard android games on it?
or do they have a curated game library
i'd prefer the switch to the shield, it has fire emblem
gray vapor
Has these games https://i.gyazo.com/b602cd31335030d6de373ed4a35f3212.png
gray vapor
ancient crystal
the pre-sequel but not the actual first game unfortunately
gray vapor
Well the first one they have for their 2 cloud base system
ancient crystal
the what now
gray vapor
they have one cloud base where it is games you own and a second type which is their server but can't play online with others
ancient crystal
how strange
gray vapor
Well cause it is like one key everyone is using
ancient crystal
ah
main reef
Hello.1st time using any board in 20 years.
NewEgg sent me here to find the answer to my question. I am unsure why they couldn;t answer it but they couldln't.
I guess no one is on at this tie.
time.
dense flicker
whats your question?
fallen schooner
@main reef
summer peak
I'm not sure what you mean
pure panther
Cuz the slots on the side are horizontal
dense flicker
yeah
you gotta get this instead
Phanteks PH-VGPUKT_02 - Universal Vertical GPU Bracket with 220mm Flat Line Pci-E X16 Riser Cable Kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MW73HTJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9.H-Db0P9ZQPQ
summer peak
oh, yeah it depends on your case
pure panther
I have the NZXT H510 elite
fallen schooner
only thing I didn't like was the length of the pci- cable, cause the bracket sets pretty close to mobo
so it kinda bent into an S-shape
but it worked. and I'm really happy with it
cerulean rover
I want to flex my graphics card with 3 fans
fallen schooner
little slate
I use a phanteks riser cable as well, but my gpu is further away from the mobo in my Evolv x case
ancient crystal
I should look into that "use any PC with vertical mount" so i can get a GPU with a proper set of fans on it
i dunno though, those are more expensive anyway
tender mulch
Just keep in mind the spacing between the GPU and the side window.
twin prairie
I have dvi-d graphics card and hdmi TV
which should I buy dvi-d to hdmi active or passive?
ancient crystal
i don't even have a side window but that's a good point
i'm probably going to try to get a deal on a Vega 64 or maybe even a 56, since i did some good research into OCing the vega series
ancient crystal
absolutely not
pure panther
I'm jk
ancient crystal
my builds are never poor builds but they tend to look messy
pure panther
That's fine lol
ancient crystal
i am not good at making it look beautiful
pure panther
I've only built one computer mad me of recycled parts
ancient crystal
though i am still good at doing airflow
pure panther
And it doesn't look good
I found an i3 and working motherboard that was compatable at a recycle center so that was cool
ancient crystal
nice
i used to go look for stuff at PC-RE when i lived in the seattle area
absolutely nothing like that here in montana
pure panther
Yea for my actual build I only have a gifted processor and case, and I just bought a gpu
ancient crystal
oh nice, what did you buy?
ancient crystal
woo, that's a lot of GPU to start out with
pure panther
I got it $150 off so
ancient crystal
i'm not going to go that hard because it'll make the month in which i buy it very hard to handle
pure panther
I just got it
pure panther
Yea haha
The guy bought it by mistake and didn't open it
I don't think he really knew what it was
ancient crystal
you've even got some spots there you could save more money
without really suffering at all
pure panther
Where's that
ancient crystal
you could get by with an RM750 instead of an 850 and that's like $50 less
pure panther
Okay
ancient crystal
X570 board could be replaced with a B450 board (try the aorus or tomahawk) and even though those boards are high end you could save some
tender mulch
Why Ryzen 2nd gen with X570?
If you don't plan to upgrade to a 3000 series, get a B450
summer peak
or at least an x470
tender mulch
IF you DO plan to upgrade the CPU, it's OK to stick with it
worldly crow
id go x470 strix or maximus but thats me
hushed stirrup
The next gen Ryzen will still be able to use B450 and X570?
remote reef
You mean X470? Also yes, most last gen motherboards should be able to run third gen Ryzen CPUs.
spice prawn
@hushed stirrup when you say "next gen ryzen"do you mean the 3000 series or do you mean the (not yet released) 4000 series?
hushed stirrup
I mean the not yet released.
hushed stirrup
If they are still the same architeture, buying a X570 might be worth it. But, with the current cpu, I kinda wonder is there any point to have that many cores and threads? Maybe for rendering and graphic designing... but for gamers, not sure if worth waiting for next gen cpu.
spice prawn
re: worth: that is something that only you can decide :)
re: architecture: the upper ends of the 3000 series are pushing things quite a bit. Hence why i say i dont find it likely that the 4000 series will work on the AM4 socket. (mind, i can easily be wrong)
It would however make a fair deal of sense for AMD to change the socket, AM4 is fairly old now
lone pond
is the rx 5700 xt a good upgrade? or is there better choises in that price range
slow salmon
hey y’all
cerulean rover
?
slow salmon
so
i was gonna buy this graphics card but it sold out
i’m looking to spend around $150-170 range
any recommendations?
slow salmon
any thing else? cause I need to buy one tomorrow
granite juniper
not a lot of them are in stock, but this one is https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-Overclocked-Graphics-PH-GTX1650S-O4G/dp/B081L1JHGT/ref=sr_1_290?
slow salmon
does that work the same as the zotac?
granite juniper
its a little better than the 1650 super, but thats almost pushing into 1660 super price which is like $230 for nearly 1660 ti performance https://www.amazon.com/Gaming-GeForce-Overclocked-Graphics-TUF-GTX1660S-O6G-GAMING/dp/B081SPGMBD/ref=sr_1_21?
novel shoal
is 220 for a used 1070ti ok?
wicked hound
Well I mean it's $190 for V56 that is 1070Ti speed. Then you can BIOS flash it with V64 and get basically V64 perf
novel shoal
isn't the 1070ti closer to the 64 than the 56?
wicked hound
Don't think so. But it's been a long time since I've looked
So idk
But again, you can still BIOS flash and get V64 perf out of a V56
So even if V64 is basically 1070Ti then that's still about $190 with a BIOS flash
maiden sun
Can you water cool and rx 580?
obtuse pier
check evga b stock there are some cheap cards there. 2060 for the price of a 1660ti
novel shoal
there any brands you suggest over others for vega? Sapphire ok?
ancient crystal
Hei do you know a good bios flashing guide
wicked hound
Nope
ancient crystal
most of what i found says you can't flash it, and it's old stuff
wicked hound
Never looked at guides
wicked hound
Maybe YouTube? From one of the bigger guys like Actually hardcore OC or deb8uer
I never seen any guides so I wouldn't know
@novel shoal usually sapphire tends to be the best for AMD. But I looked very little into Vega so I don't really know
novel shoal
gotcha thx.
ancient crystal
Vega is the same as other AMD stuff
tends to run hotter and suck more power
both the 56 and 64 have 2x8pin connectors
wicked hound
I mean you can UV and gain more perf due to lower temps
granite juniper
just avoid strix models and gigabyte iirc on vega
ancient crystal
youtube videos i'm watching are showing me that it's not really worth flashing it unless you do some complex OC
still gunning for a 64
the 8 vega cores make a big difference
maybe it's possible also to overclock the HBM
lone pond
anyone know if the radeon 5700 still has driver issues
tender mulch
Nope
gray vapor
check the driver update notes
lone pond
ill be honest, i didnt think of that
ancient crystal
@wicked hound I have to think about whether I'm willing to do a lot of hard work on a Vega 56 or whether I just want the 64 and have better performance than I would have had on a well tuned 56
wicked hound
I unfortunately can't help much as I never owned any Vega GPU. Probs look at the UV guides to see the perf increase for both V56 and V64 and then see if the price increase is worth the perf increase
inner marsh
Is the 1660Ti worth it?
swift valve
Yes, very much so
inner marsh
I thought so but wasn't 100% sure
inner marsh
Hm?
wicked hound
1660S is a 1660 clone but with newer memory. 1660Ti has older memory but more CUDA cores. Tho the newer memory ends up giving enough perf to put it slightly behind a 1660Ti
inner marsh
Interesting
swift valve
Used 1660ti is probably better deal then 1660S new
inner marsh
Depends on whether or not you trust used stuff
Anyways I guess I'll go look into it
Attempting a budget PC this year
Which is basically rip off of LTT's budget guide but with better case, different PSU, and cheaper GPU lol
Anyways, thanks
swift valve
If you go all new parts then 1660S but if used 1660ti
ancient crystal
if you go used you also can get a vega 56 for about $200
median pagoda
On what