graphics-cards

[gray vapor]

unless you're mixing settings

[solar parcel]

yea on like medium low

[gray vapor]

then yes you will get 60 with that settings then

[solar parcel]

K thx

[gray vapor]

you could get it at medium as well

[solar parcel]

im really good at rust so i usually just play on low

[gray vapor]

Rust is one of those games that is never really that optimized

[solar parcel]

ik

my pc now is so bad

it runs rust at 40

fps

[gray vapor]

I have a 1660 and a R5 2600 and for the games i play they look beautiful

[next ginkgo]

how can i even tell if my monitor is doing freesync?

i think i turned it on

[wide rose]

lol

[solar parcel]

but i ordered a new pc for christmas with a ryzen 2600x gtx 1660 x470 aurous gaming 16gb 3000mhz ram and just a 256gig ssd and i gotta buy a hardive

[gray vapor]

You would enable it from the monitor settings

like from the actual monitor

[next ginkgo]

yeah it turned it on on the monitor and turned on gsync in nvidia

[gray vapor]

and vsync is on from the nvidia control panel right

[next ginkgo]

vsync? isn't the whole point to not use Vsync?

[solar parcel]

ecks gamer what games do u play? and what settings??

[next ginkgo]

or do you mean g-sync?

[solar parcel]

keegen

[gray vapor]

https://i.gyazo.com/28ddeca00be37c454f7643f42eeebff1.png

[solar parcel]

go to radeon crimson live

radeon settings

then go to display and then u can turn on freesync

[gray vapor]

He is using Nvidia

[solar parcel]

O

[next ginkgo]

oh okay they have a demo i can use to test if it's working https://www.nvidia.com/coolstuff/demos#!/g-sync

[gray vapor]

The games i play anyways is pretty much Destiny 2, Tomb Raider series (starting from the 2013 one), Overwatch, Tera, Batman Arkham knight etc

too many to list so

[next ginkgo]

hmm it won't let me turn on gsync in the demo

[gray vapor]

are you connected through display port

[next ginkgo]

yeah

maybe i need to be in 144hz mode

[gray vapor]

if you just turned on freesync then restart your PC first cause Nvidia might of not detected it

[next ginkgo]

ah okay i'll try that

okay yeah now it lets me turn it on, cool

it makes the monitor flash though, that's annoying

wonder if it'll do that in game

[gray vapor]

No idea cause i can't use freesync cause my monitor is only HDMI

have to wait about 2 months to get my new monitor

But the monitor i am getting as well will be only 75hz

[next ginkgo]

it's making my monitor randomly flash even on desktop lol

guess this MSI can't handle it

[lone pond]

guys just a question

FX 6300 is able to run VR games or i'll need to upgrade it?

[gray vapor]

you need to upgrade

at least a Ryzen 5 1600

[lone pond]

that's an oof then, cause i can't jump straight to DDR4 now

i just bought my RX580 8GB, and things here in my country are expensive as fk

that's a very good buy

580 doesn't disappoint

got mine for $80

mint condition

it's collecting dust in my warehouse now

wow

i just tested my "vr capatibility" on steam and it says my cpu can handle it well

vr capabilityyyyyyy

yeah yeah, i'm not natural with english

brazilian here

anyways, i got only 4 cpu skipped frames out of 8925 frames tested

that with my navigator open and a lot of other apps open in the background

[tender mulch]

What VR games do you want to play?

[lone pond]

as many as i can lol

[tender mulch]

Yeah, check those, not the Steam VR test

[lone pond]

Assetto Corsa, Euro Truck, Pavlov, etc

[gray vapor]

tests can tell you one thing but actual games is another

Also Ryzen 5 1600's are cheap now and you can get a decent B350/B450 board for the right amount and another thing is DDR4 memory is not that expensive

[solar parcel]

ryzen 1600 off of ebay is around 18

2600s are around 120

i meant 80 btw

not 18

[gray vapor]

80$ is the normal price at Microcenter

[solar parcel]

yea

[gray vapor]

and if you wanted to save more money the Ryzen 5 1400 on Aliexpress is 50$

[solar parcel]

for 4 cores 8 threads thats kind of a deal

[gray vapor]

The only game it would struggle a little is Destiny 2

[solar parcel]

yea

the recommended is a 1600 right??

[lone pond]

the problem is, i live in brazil lol

and i have 6 cores 6 threads right now

[gray vapor]

For Destiny 2 yes

But is it true 6 core 6 threads

[lone pond]

it's not for Destiny 2 e.e

it's for VR games

[gray vapor]

@lone pond there is also more than just you and i talking

[lone pond]

oh i didn't noticed because of the time

Discord is messing with message hours

[summer peak]

@lone pond I mean you might and I stress might be able to run simpler games like beat saber

but you stand no chance of anything more complex

[graceful escarp]

6 cores 6 threads? U mean 12 threads?

[summer peak]

no, he means 6 core 6 thread

[lone pond]

6 core 6 threads, AMD FX-6300

by the way, you think with a good overclock i can close this gap?

i really wanna play Pavlov and Assetto Corsa

[summer peak]

no, absolutely not

the fx 6300 is really old, and it wasn't very powerful even when it came out

you're going to have to upgrade to get any sort of playable experience

sorry man

[gray vapor]

If you had a 8320 then maybe

[ancient crystal]

i had an FX-6300 once

[dreamy dragon]

AnniS#7280 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[ancient crystal]

oh man

hahaha

man was that a piece of... junk

[digital heath]

should I get a 2080 super for 144 hz 1080p or would 2070 super be enough?

[tender mulch]

Games are only going to get more intensive. If you can afford the 2080, it's always best to buy what you can afford that will last the longest, if that makes sense

2070 is no slouch but it may get that way in a few years.

[digital heath]

I wonder if I should just wait for the 30 series 😄

[tender mulch]

Get what you can afford now because better tech is always on the horizon

you'll just end up playing the waiting game

[wicked hound]

Diff between 2070S and 2080S is like 8%, for $200

Might as well 5700XT for $400

[jagged pier]

which brand best 5700xt

[tender mulch]

Powercolor

Red Dragon or Devil

[wicked hound]

Red Dragon, Pulse, Nitro+

[summer peak]

red devil, and the new aorus one is okay too

and the ones listed above

[obtuse sorrel]

I'm going with a 9700k + 2070 Super for New NVENC Encoded streaming and maxing out framerates and 1% lows at competitive settings in Fortnite/Apex. Sound good? Opinions?

[lone pond]

well you can make worse decisions in life

[summer peak]

sounds solid to me, but it really depepnds on your budget

also hi communist @lone pond 😏

[lone pond]

no I'm not communist

[wraith pasture]

[lone pond]

@obtuse sorrel at that price point and 2070 super I would suggest the 3800x

x.x you will get the same fps regardless

but better everything else

[obtuse sorrel]

@lone pond So 4.5ghz per core will perform equal when cpu bound by settings/resolution as water cooled and OC'd to 5-5.2ghz?

Where I'm buying the 3800x will be more. 3700x/9700k would be identical price with the mobo I've picked out.

[tender mulch]

For pure gaming, if that's all you're going to do, the 9700k is better

If you're going to game and stream, go AMD

But it sounds like you're using NVENC

SO the 9700K will get you more FPS

[obtuse sorrel]

I'll be streaming but I've chosen New NVENC since the quality comparison is hard to judge between the two at fast/medium and limited to 6000 bitrate.

[tender mulch]

Only question is 2070 super vs 5700XT. If you aren't going to use Ray Tracing, get the 5700XT

OH

nevermind then lol

[obtuse sorrel]

I already have the 2070 Super.

[tender mulch]

Yeah, your setup is fine

9700K is faster in games than the 3700x

[obtuse sorrel]

So my thought process was to max out gaming performance since my streaming will not affect my fps.

Plus my bigger thing is I'm trying to eliminate 1% lows since I will be upgrading to possibly a 240hz monitor.

[lone pond]

if you can get the 3800x for the same price then I say go 3800x for the same gaming performance but wwhere you live 3700x and 9700k are the same then

[summer peak]

The 2070 super is good for streaming and the 9700k is a good matchup

[lone pond]

9700k will beat 3700x in gaming

just gaming tho

[summer peak]

if you render videos outside of streaming consider the 3700x anyway

it's not like you'll get much worse performance with it

but the 9700k can do it just fine too

[tender mulch]

5-10%. It's not much

[summer peak]

it'll just cut time

[obtuse sorrel]

I don't yet, but isn't it still true that I "can" still render videos just fine with the 9700k with the expense that it will take longer?

[summer peak]

yes

that's what I said

the 3700x would just cut time while rendering videos

[obtuse sorrel]

I was typing as you said that.

[summer peak]

ye

you're good

it's a good matchup

ordinarily I recommend AMD but for your use case it makes sense to go Nvidia

NVENC is great

[lone pond]

he already bought the super

[obtuse sorrel]

It sounds dumb but I'm going for a "how the hell is he getting 600+ fps in lobby while streaming" look. Plus reducing all latency while gaming and streaming simultaneously and not affecting framerates.

[lone pond]

there's no going back

[summer peak]

it doesn't matter because he made the right choice in gpu

for his use case

[lone pond]

nvenc is awesome

[obtuse sorrel]

Bruh my Gigabyte 2070 Super is wild. I managed a 2220 OC on the core and 16,000mhz on the vram and it still sits under 65c at 45% fan.

While streaming, too.

2220 after gpu boost ofc, that's not the raw OC by itself.

Thanks guys. I had so many people trying to push me to hyperthreading/amd not understanding the end result and I just wanted to be sure it could be a viable option.

[summer peak]

it's viable for sure -- AMD has its place but it's not like the 9700k is suddenly terrible just because AMD can do some productivity stuff better

I do think it's a little overpriced for what it is, but it will serve you fine

[lone pond]

don't get the 9900k that I will stop you

at all costs

[summer peak]

yeah that's a bad choice imo

especially the 9900ks

[obtuse sorrel]

The whole build is going to run me about $1800 gpu already included with what I paid for it. It will have a Gigabyte Aorus Ultra, a 240 rad rgb water cooler, tempered glass rgb case, 32gb 3200mhz rgb ram, etc.

I thought that was an ok price point for all the eye candy and clean looking build.

Sorry not the Aorus Ultra. The Aorus Elite.

I keep mixing up the two.

[summer peak]

Personally I wouldn't spend that much just for looks, but that's just me, there's nothing wrong with it

I've said it before but my case is really understated

[obtuse sorrel]

Ok wait and I lied. 16gb 3200mhz rgb ram and that was so I could upgrade to a 500gb m.2 nvme drive and 2tb hdd while keeping the cost around $1800

[summer peak]

no windows

minimalist lyfe

[obtuse sorrel]

I went minimalist the first go around. Being a streamer I kind of want a trophy pc I can show off to my viewers. They like that, and I like it too.

[summer peak]

yeah it makes sense and there's nothing wrong with it

I just tend to value a minimalist look and saving money more

but if you know you're paying for it and you're okay with that, go nuts

RGB everything

wooooo

[obtuse sorrel]

I'm going mid range budget/quality on everything if that makes sense. Like...

I'm going with a 240 rad cooler and it has rgb but it's the Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L not the more expensive and flashier one.

Actually wait.

Here's my build exactly https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PZbkf9

[dreamy dragon]

JemuzuO_O#3632 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[obtuse sorrel]

Woops

Oh "crap" it does have 32gb ram.

How did I manage that in this budget?

[summer peak]

is there a particular reason you're going with WD black?

It's kind of overpriced for what it is

on the hard drive

also just get a windows key off of ebay for 5 dollars

[obtuse sorrel]

Windows key for $5 got it.

As far as the black.

[novel shoal]

I gotta not not do that.

[obtuse sorrel]

Where I'm buying it the WD Black NVMe drive is the cheapest buy with good performance metrics, so I just wanted to keep the drive brands/look uniform.

As retarded as that is.

[summer peak]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

whatever floats your boat I just personally wouldn't spend that when you can get a barracuda 7200rpm 2tb drive for 70 dollars

[obtuse sorrel]

My store has them for $50.

I might change both drives.'

I maybe don't need top end performance on the nvme drive either.

[summer peak]

The sabrent rocket is a good nvme ssd for cheap fwiw

[obtuse sorrel]

But I don't want to fall into the realm of cheap.

And I want to buy everything at the same place so if I have any issues during building I can drive 20mins and still finish my build the same day.

[summer peak]

makes sense

[obtuse sorrel]

Ok it looks like I can drop down to $60 for the nvme and $50 for the hdd by going with a kingston and barracuda.

[summer peak]

Depeends on the nvme ssd, but generally that's a good place to save some money

[obtuse sorrel]

But the kingston only has 2000/2200 r/w whereas the black had 3500/2600.

[summer peak]

then go for the black

it's not like it's much more

[obtuse sorrel]

Would that matter enough that I'd notice?

[summer peak]

the nvme anyway

[obtuse sorrel]

I hear ya. How are barracudas? Reliable?

Brb.

[summer peak]

I've never had one fail on me (well, not until it's been used for like 5 years)

I can't speak objectively, but

[obtuse sorrel]

Ok TY I'll brb smoke break (at work)

[summer peak]

👍

[obtuse sorrel]

If you're still there I had some other ideas to bounce off someone even though they're not about gpus.

[summer peak]

What kind of ideas?

[obtuse sorrel]

Ok, case airflow. I have a choice between the Cooler Master MasterBox MB530P and the Cooler Master MasterBox Pro 5, both of which meets my desire for included RGB and tempered glass for a clean/flashy build look.

One has minimal ventilation in the front, both have three front fans, one rear fan, one has top ventilation with included dust filter.

One is 129.99 the other is 94.99.

[next ginkgo]

the MB530P looks like it has way more airflow

[obtuse sorrel]

The cheaper one would require me to move from 240mm water cooling to 120mm in order to keep the look I'm going for.

But overall the cost would drop since both the case and cooler would both be cheaper at this point.

So I'm wondering if it is important enough or should I save the money.

[summer peak]

I think it would be fine

people worry a bit too much about airflow especially if you're doing a rad front mounted

it's not like the pro 5 is going to choke your system

[next ginkgo]

well what CPU/GPU are you running and are they overclocked?

[summer peak]

9700k and 2070 super

[obtuse sorrel]

Now the gpu kicks off a hot of heat. I know this for sure because I managed a 2220mhz oc on the core and 16,000mhz oc on the vram and it still sits under 65c at full load and 45% fan speed.

Right now this is in a case with only one front, one rear 120mm fan but it is also vented at the top.

[summer peak]

If you're concerned about airflow, get the MB530P

it's definitely got more

[obtuse sorrel]

And my cpu is on a basic 212 evo.

[next ginkgo]

i have my 8700k and 2070 super just under 70C with 4 140mm and 1 120mm case fans, but the intake is pretty choked on mine

but i like to keep things cool

[obtuse sorrel]

I'm not so much concerned as wondering if I should be.

[summer peak]

I wouldn't say so, I showed you my case right?

the side vent things are where my airflow comes from

it does fine

[obtuse sorrel]

Cause I will go cheaper if it's not going to really impact things. I will be OC'ing the 9700k to 5ghz all core if I can which is why I'm going with water cooling period.

[lapis leaf]

I have an evga rtx 2080 xc gaming ultra and an 8700k

[summer peak]

my processor runs cooler but the rx 5700 runs pretty hot and I don't have a problem with an OC on it

[next ginkgo]

personally i'd go for the MB530P cause you're going to be dissipating like 300-400W in there

and for 5Ghz you're going to want the 240mm in my experience

[summer peak]

if you're concerned, get the MB530P -- keegan is right there

it will have better airflow

for sure

[obtuse sorrel]

Yea that's true plus considering the amount of rgb I know leds don't draw a lot but basically every piece of this thing is going to have rgb. The ram, the cooler, all the fans, the mobo, the gpu, even besides all the power craw and overclocking.

[next ginkgo]

but technically you can let things run up to like 85C i think

i think you lose boost clock though

so i just run things as cool as i possibly can without the fan noise getting annoying

[obtuse sorrel]

I definitely want a stable 5ghz all cores if I can.

Ok so everyone thinks the first pick was the right choice.

And it has nicer routing for cable management, tbh.

Has the rubber slits and all. Though the back panel is also tempered glass so I'm gonna have to spend extra time cleaning up the back, too.

I really hope the stock psu cables and all the fan cables, etc are going to be long enough to do that.

Ok next thing is I had some people in the other channel hating on my psu choice. Is there anything wrong with this psu and do you think the cables included will be long enough for clean front and back cable management? EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G+ 80 Plus Gold

[next ginkgo]

what about like a phanteks p400a if you can find them in stock? it has RGB and good airflow, and no back glass

and it's as cheap as the cheaper cooler master

[obtuse sorrel]

Ok there is a good reason why I'm going Cooler Master for the case and cooler, and why I chose the ram, mobo, and cpu.

Every piece in this build is compatible with Gigabyte's RGB sync, including the ram.

This way I can unify the entire rgb look in one easy shot.

not cpu, gpu.

[next ginkgo]

the phanteks appears to be too

[obtuse sorrel]

This is my first build though and idk about fan headers and rgb control or if I'm going to have enough headers/splitters or whatever the crap you need to make it all work.

Let me look up phanteks at my place.

[next ginkgo]

it may not be in stock anymore actually, looks like they all sold out after that gamer's nexus review

[obtuse sorrel]

They don't have any at my place.

And I want to avoid ordering online or from different places only so that if I run into any problems of any kind I can run back to the store which is local and get whatever I need replaced same day or get any additional things I need.

[next ginkgo]

ah i see

[obtuse sorrel]

They have better/cheaper cases but they either don't include any rgb and I'd have to buy separate fan packs which would bring them up to = price or they sacrifice things like tempered glass for plastic and I don't want a cheap looking/feeling build,

So, about the PSU, any thoughts?

People were kind of rude and pushy when I asked in the PSU channel.

[next ginkgo]

yeah i can't think of many other cases like that, maybe like corsair icue 220t or the masterbox h500 but they wouldn't sync to a gigabyte motherboard

you said a 750W EVGA 80+ gold? that should be great

you'll probably be running around 600W with all that overclocking

[obtuse sorrel]

According to the calculator I used I should be maxing out just under 450.

According to the calculator anyway, so I figured that was enough headroom for error.

[summer peak]

if you want a better PSU I'd recommend the corsair RMx -- it should be around the same price and has some better protections

the g1 is a bit old

[obtuse sorrel]

What kind of protections?

[summer peak]

one moment

eh you should be fine

it's good enough

I thought the g1 was a bit older than it is

I was confusing it with another evga psu

[obtuse sorrel]

And cable length? Any of you experienced enough to know if they'll be long enough for not only front cable, but rear cable management?

[summer peak]

depends on your case, I haven't built in those cases so

[obtuse sorrel]

Like I said, this case has a tempered glass back panel, too. So I have to manage the rear cables so it will look decent.

[summer peak]

best bet is to get the build, build it so you can use it, and then take some measurements to get custom cables

you can always change the cables later

[obtuse sorrel]

Like you suggested I'm switching to the barracuda, and I'm going $10 higher on the nvme drive and getting a 970 evo.

[summer peak]

good idea

[obtuse sorrel]

Well the thing is I can get cable extensions when I get everything else. Just didn't know if I'd need them or not.

If I don't need them I leave myself like $40 headroom for parts.

[next ginkgo]

the spec sheets include the cable lengths, maybe you can guess by looking at pictures of the case and planning how you'd route them https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=120-GP-0750-X1

hard to say though, at least that store is local if you need to go back for them

[obtuse sorrel]

That's true and exactly why I'm doing it that way, lol.

[next ginkgo]

the EPS cables are never long enough in my limited experience, because they still size them as if PSUs were top mounted

[obtuse sorrel]

True but this is EVGA and and fully modular psu which are most popular for custom builds.

I would think, or hope by now.

So end result, is the Corsair 750MX better?

[next ginkgo]

650mm, 25.5", i figure you'd need about 36" to route the EPS through the routing channels with the other ones if you really want it to look nice

[obtuse sorrel]

So I'd be just short and getting extensions will fit the bill but leave a lot of excess that I'll have to zip tie down under the PSU shroud.

[next ginkgo]

it'll reach without extensions it'll just need to go diagonally across the back, won't look as good through the glass

[obtuse sorrel]

I think I'll just get the extension kit then.

Cause yea, that would be ugly af.

[next ginkgo]

you could get a single extension for just that cable off amazon for only $8

[obtuse sorrel]

It's a big psu shroud from the looks of it so I can wind up the excess and zip tie it so it's out of sight but still looks organized.

You think only the one cable is going to be an issue?

[next ginkgo]

yeah usually that's the only one that's an issue

[obtuse sorrel]

Again, first build I'm doing myself, so I don't know every calbe.

cable*

I'll ask on purchase day if they have anything for the single cable at the store. If not, I'll order it or just get the full kit and say f it and be done with it.

Is there a difference between the corsair rm750x and the rm750?

And did we decide if the Corsair was better than the EVGA?

It does have a zero rpm mode. I like that.

Dunno if the evga does or not.

[next ginkgo]

i doubt any of them are different enough to worry about it. personally i'd get the Corsair if you really want it to look good through the back window. the EVGA doesn't appear to have zero RPM, but you rarely hear power supply fans anyway

[obtuse sorrel]

Why does the corsair have cleaner looking or longer cables or something?

[next ginkgo]

the side of the power supply is cleaner looking

dumb reason to pick a PSU but they are all pretty much equal lol

i have the rm750x in my 8700k + 2070 super build, it's been going strong for like 3 years i think

[obtuse sorrel]

I mean tbh I've had a cheap 750 bronze powespec in my current system for nearly 3 years.

powerspec*

So no matter what it's an upgrade.

Is MLC Nand a bad choice?

For the m.2?

[next ginkgo]

what drive is it specifically?

MLC is a broad term

[proven valve]

What's better for gaming (and vr) a rtx 2060 ,rx5 700 or rx5700 xt

[obtuse sorrel]

Samsumg 970 Evo.

[next ginkgo]

oh yeah those are solid

[obtuse sorrel]

Definitely the 5700xt.

[tender mulch]

5700XT

smokes the 2060

[proven valve]

But I heard that is overheats, is that true

?

[tender mulch]

no

Only the blower style cards

Get a PowerColor

[obtuse sorrel]

5700xt is on par with 2070 Super in terms of gaming and cuda count.

[next ginkgo]

970 evo is TLC, which is pretty much the best balance of performance and price

[obtuse sorrel]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/506237/970_EVO_500GB_SSD_3-bit_MLC_NAND_M2_2280_PCIe_NVMe_30_x4_Internal_Solid_State_Drive

[next ginkgo]

damn that's a great price too

[obtuse sorrel]

There's this and the Evo+, this one is cheaper and still gives 3500/2500 r/w I think.

Maybe the evo + is the tlc nand. Just making sure mlc nand isn't some cheap junk.

[next ginkgo]

3-bit MLC is the same thing as TLC

[obtuse sorrel]

I like the sound of that then.

[next ginkgo]

the Pro series samsung drives are 2-bit MLC for better reliability but cost twice as much

[obtuse sorrel]

Yea not going there, lul.

[next ginkgo]

but that really only matters if you are doing some kind of production work that writes to the drives a ton

[obtuse sorrel]

I'm sure I'll build a new rig by 5 years or less.

I think you guys answered everything. I really appreciate it.

And you saved me a little bit of money. I didn't realize you could buy just a key for win10 for so much cheaper.

[copper jackal]

you honestly don't even need to worry about QLC unless you plan on keeping it for 10+ years or something in a home system

[obtuse sorrel]

But I'll need a usb drive to download the iso off their website onto, right?

[copper jackal]

chances are you'll have upgraded years before drive life became a problem

[tender mulch]

Windfows 10 install media, yeah

[obtuse sorrel]

Technically I should own a key with my first build but they somehow locked it to my mobo.

[copper jackal]

I still have an intel 40gb ssd from 2009 working fine

[obtuse sorrel]

I contacted microsoft and they even told me "the store you bought your pc at is required to give you the key for your pc" and the store was like "huh?"

[next ginkgo]

if it's from 2009 it's probably SLC or MLC isn't it?

[obtuse sorrel]

Is there a way I can pull the key from the bios or something?

[next ginkgo]

i think that only applies to builders @obtuse sorrel this store isn't building the PC for you are they?

[copper jackal]

MLC, sata II for speed it's so old

[obtuse sorrel]

It was a prebuilt, yes.

[next ginkgo]

ah

but i don't think they have to give you a key for doing an upgrade

[frail lintel]

hey the Radeon RX 5700 is good right?

[obtuse sorrel]

Oh well I'll just buy a cheap usb stick and a cheap key then.

Simple.

[frail lintel]

i mean i know i should get the XT

but not enough money

[next ginkgo]

apparently you can unlock the 5700 to almost be an XT

[obtuse sorrel]

Man they didn't even include my recovery disk even though it's listen on the included contents and now they want me to pay for the recovery disk.

[next ginkgo]

oh weird

[obtuse sorrel]

And I need it to reset my current rig because selling it is part of the new build fund.

[tender mulch]

Recovery disk is usually an HD partition

[frail lintel]

but would a Radeon RX 5700 be ok as is for a while

[obtuse sorrel]

How can I check?

[tender mulch]

File Explorer

It shouldbe listed as a separate drive

[obtuse sorrel]

Pretty sure I only have the two for ssd and hdd.

Man they really trying to f me on this one.

[next ginkgo]

https://wccftech.com/flashing-the-radeon-rx-5700-with-the-rx-5700xt-vbios-for-more-performance/

i'm sure that voids the warranty though

[frail lintel]

huh

so i do this

[obtuse sorrel]

Which cable do I need an extension for again?

[next ginkgo]

it's an option, but the stock 5700 should be good enough for most stuff @frail lintel

the EPS cable @obtuse sorrel 4+4 CPU cable

[frail lintel]

thank you very much

[obtuse sorrel]

What's your gpu budget?

[next ginkgo]

at 1080p it's like 100 fps for the 5700 or 120fps for the 5700 xt in the most demanding games, or 70 vs 85 fps at 1440p

[obtuse sorrel]

I'm gonna get this so I have everything covered https://www.microcenter.com/product/470639/cablemod-internal-power-cable-extension-kit-black

Now when I had a different psu selected pcpartpicker was screaming something at me about my board having 2x 4 pin 12volt connections and the first psu not supporting that.

So do I need one of these extensions or two?

[next ginkgo]

i guess all of those extensions will be nice to have since they are more flexible than the ones that come with the power supply and will look better on the front side then the stock ones

you only need one

of the CPU cables

[obtuse sorrel]

Oh?

[next ginkgo]

your board will have a 4 pin and an 8 pin at the top, but you only need to plug in the 1 8 pin

[obtuse sorrel]

Good to know. Didn't know I'd run into flex issues.

And knowing that now I agree I'll be able to make the front look cleaner as well.

Oh ok, so the 4pin is for basic power and the 8 pin is for high power gpu systems and overclocking, correct?

And that mod pack includes the cpu cable you mentioned too, right?

[next ginkgo]

i think the intent on that board is you can also plug in the 2nd one for really extreme overclocking

but that's like for LN2 overclocking type of stuff

[obtuse sorrel]

Will I need that for 5ghz all cores?

I don't see myself trying to push more than that. At least right away.

[granite juniper]

no

[next ginkgo]

single 8 pin can do 235W

my 8700k only does 100W at 4.9GHz all core, so i doubt the 9700k at 5GHz pulls that much more

if any

[obtuse sorrel]

You guys have taught me so much in such a short amount of time.

[next ginkgo]

it's like for people going crazy with a 9900k i guess

[obtuse sorrel]

And it looks like I'll finally have everything I need in one shot.

Now I just have to find a buyer for my rig.

And we're off to go shopping.

[rough sluice]

so i just returned a rx590 and plan on getting a 1060. what brands should i aim for within the 200-250 range?

[obtuse sorrel]

What's a good selling price for a 6700k/msi 1070 gaming 8g/16gb 3200mhz gskill ripjaw/250gb ssd/1tb hdd?

ASRock z170 gaming K6 incase you were wondering.

[next ginkgo]

idk for sure but i'd say like $1000 on the high end

i think you can get a new 9000 series for like $1400 with those specs

[obtuse sorrel]

the cpu does 4.6 easy at 1.34 volts heavily tested and the gpu peeks at just barely under 2000mhz.

Really? I was hoping for just $800, maybe even less.

[next ginkgo]

yeah i'd say like $800 if you're trying to move it quickly

[obtuse sorrel]

Like, with the saving you just helped me with I literally only "need" to make 600 off of it.

So you believe $800 would be an easy sell?

I mean I spent $1500 3 years ago on it but somehow I thought it lost more value. Mostly cause of the outdated cpu.

[granite juniper]

could you give a price breakdown cause idk about the cpu/mobo but I know the rest would be around 300-350 based on my time on eBay/hws, but @daring minnow would be the best person to ask

[next ginkgo]

i would think it'd still be worth a good amount, 6-series isn't that old, they were still 4 core weren't they?

yeah those were still 14nm even

intel hasn't changed that much since then

[obtuse sorrel]

4 core 8 thread 4.2ghz stock and this one goes to 4.6 OC all core at a fixed 1.34 volts.

And temps still stay pretty much the same as stock.

Dude you guys are all great thank you so much for hanging out and talking tech with me.

[next ginkgo]

with that overclock it's basically a 7700

[obtuse sorrel]

7700k easily.

You right.

7700k is even only 4.5ghz stock and the exact same architecture.

I just can't call it a 7700k when I sell it.

[next ginkgo]

lol

true

[obtuse sorrel]

The 7700k was the dumbest refresh.

[next ginkgo]

it's still a killer 1080p 100-144hz-ish rig

[obtuse sorrel]

Same exact chip, down to every detail other than better thermals = higher boost clock.

[granite juniper]

sounds like intels hedt chips :v minus the price

[obtuse sorrel]

Even with the original 1070 it was still peaking at 144hz steady fps on high/epic settings with shadows off in Fortnite, yea.

[next ginkgo]

maybe you'll get lucky with christmas, you could try listing it at $1000 for the next week or so

[obtuse sorrel]

I think with no frame cap and competitive settings I was seeing as high as the 300s.

That's why I need the disk, though.

[ripe creek]

Is $20 a good deal for a Nvidia 960SC 2GB

[obtuse sorrel]

Can't sell it without being able to reset it. I'd rather not risk any personal data or have the buyer be annoyed with having to uninstall a bunch of crap.

[next ginkgo]

$20 is a good deal for any video card i think lol

[obtuse sorrel]

For a 960?

Hell yea.

[ripe creek]

Yeah

[next ginkgo]

but that's like a 1050, so it's only like...playable 60Hz

[obtuse sorrel]

That's still a semi-relevant gpu.

[next ginkgo]

1080p

[ripe creek]

Bet because my teacher sold me it

[obtuse sorrel]

Yea, 60hz 1080p ez. Better if you play competitively and lower all your settings and textures.

Oh and turn off all the extra crap in the gpu driver settings/panel.

You don't need any of it unless it's performance based.

[lone pond]

Buy rtx2070s or wait for ampere?

[ripe creek]

That's just the first part of my build I've bought. I was going to get a used CPU but it went out of stock :/

[lone pond]

My 760 still works fine

[obtuse sorrel]

It's a good start for $20.

[lone pond]

What game u playing llama?

[obtuse sorrel]

If you're itching for an upgrade my advice is always, upgrade. There's always going to be something new around the corner, so waiting is pointless and the increase of performance is never enough to justify the wait or the inflated launch prices.

[lone pond]

I see

That makes sense

Can I ask u as well

I'm trying to decide between the 60s and the 70s

Which one will be sufficient for 1080p 140hz always

On ultra and never worry

[obtuse sorrel]

I have a 2070 Super and I love it, and I'm even being cpu bottlenecked by my outdated 6700k which I'm soon upgrading to a 9700k, so I haven't even seen its max potential yet.

1080p/144hz you could get a system like mine that I'm about to sell and it would do it just fine.

Originally my system was 6700k/1070 before I got the 2070 Super.

[lone pond]

I ended up getting a i5 9600k

[obtuse sorrel]

I almost sold the 1070 by itself but I'm gonna throw it back in and sell the whole system.

[lone pond]

Last thing to get is the graphics

[obtuse sorrel]

Well you have several options really for 1080/144

You can get a 1070 for slightly cheaper, used. Or get a 2060 which would be more than powerful enough for that. Only reason I went 2070 Super is because I'm currently deciding between 1080/240hz or 1440/144hz so I'll need the extra umph.

[lone pond]

So the 2060super is enough for any 1080p 144hz?

[next ginkgo]

i think you can get 144fps in even things like MW with a 2060 super

[lone pond]

I don't plant to get a 1440p

[obtuse sorrel]

I would think the 2060 non-super would even be enough.

[lone pond]

Really

Oh wow

[obtuse sorrel]

I mean yea it's pretty on par with the 1070.

[lone pond]

Wasn't the 2060s slightly better than the 1080

Or was that the 2070

Me confusion

[obtuse sorrel]

And I gamed at 1080/144 on epic/high settings in Fortnite at least with just shadows off and maintained 144 easy.

The 2070

[next ginkgo]

2060s is like a 1080 yeah

and 2070s is slightly better than 1080 ti

[obtuse sorrel]

But honestly, who plays shooters with shadows on? I mean cmon.

[next ginkgo]

lol

[obtuse sorrel]

"but you can see their shadow" yea or you can die while they hide in one.

GGs

[lone pond]

140 is frame rate and the rest is luxury

I mean

[next ginkgo]

the selling point of 2060s is 60Hz 1080p with RTX on, so it's easy 120+ with RTX off

[lone pond]

A pro on 60hz

[obtuse sorrel]

If you want new, get the 2060.

[lone pond]

Is still gonna eat ur ass

[obtuse sorrel]

If you plan on streaming, get the 2060 and use New NVENC

Turing NVENC looks way better than previous versions and can actually stand in for x264 encoding from very fast through medium encoder setting.

[lone pond]

I've never streamed with twitch but I do screen share a lot in discord

Would it help with quality or is that my connection

[obtuse sorrel]

Both.

[next ginkgo]

can discord use NVENC?

[obtuse sorrel]

Idk I've never streamed to discord.

[next ginkgo]

i don't think it can, at least it's not in the options

[obtuse sorrel]

Well, what's your upload speed?

[lone pond]

I have 15/5

[obtuse sorrel]

Ok so you're looking at a bit of lower end streaming.

At best you're gonna get 2500-3000 bitrate and probably gonna want to stick with 720/30 to help clean it up a bit.

A better quality encoder can help with that a little, yes, but it won't be a huge insane difference because you don't have a lot of bandwidth to spare for the encoder.

[lone pond]

I see

I'm not beat up about it anyways

[next ginkgo]

does NVENC take processing power away from your GPU for gaming?

[obtuse sorrel]

Nope.

[lone pond]

That reminds me, why does turning on the Ray tracing thing kill ur fps

[next ginkgo]

oh okay

[obtuse sorrel]

Nothing noticeable.

[lone pond]

Doesn't it have dedicated cores for that

[obtuse sorrel]

That's the whole idea behind my build.

[ancient crystal]

NVENC is not supported by discord at all

i googled a bit, there is no option

[next ginkgo]

i think the dedicated cores only accelerate part of the process, ray tracing is still a hugely intensive operation

[obtuse sorrel]

9700k/2070 Super/32gb high speed 3200mhz quad channel with New NVENC Encoding.

Absolute max fps I can get while simultaneously streaming.

[next ginkgo]

i think they had to start ray tracing just to sell new GPUs because they're already about to hit 4k120hz with the 2080 Ti lol

[obtuse sorrel]

At best I see a 5-10 fps difference at around 550 fps which is a percentage of idk.

[lone pond]

Holy up

[obtuse sorrel]

Not very much of anything?

[lone pond]

U get 550 fps

[obtuse sorrel]

In lobby.

[lone pond]

Ah

[obtuse sorrel]

In lobby...

[next ginkgo]

the GPU isn't loaded in lobby is it?

[obtuse sorrel]

I get an average of 300-400 in game. Sometimes dipping around 200s.

[lone pond]

This man running in low settings with a 700$ gpu

[next ginkgo]

lol

[obtuse sorrel]

And that is with the 6700k I'm curious to see what I get when I upgrade.

[next ginkgo]

you madman

[obtuse sorrel]

I am, you right.

[ancient crystal]

is that the "rustle your jimmies" gorilla, Keegan?

[obtuse sorrel]

But remember I'm rebuilding everything soon so I'm experimenting with what I can and cannot do right now on the 6700k.

[next ginkgo]

it is @ancient crystal

[ancient crystal]

lol

[next ginkgo]

trying to max out your 480hz monitor? @obtuse sorrel

[ancient crystal]

i was with my ex-gf at the store and i picked up a box of that cereal and was like "my jimmies rustle eternal"

[obtuse sorrel]

If it helps clear things up and I can easily lock to 240fps on all epic settings with shadows off.

With the 2070S and the 6700k.

[next ginkgo]

unfortuantely they don't sell the cereal with that picture on the box anymore

now it's a baby gorilla

[ancient crystal]

yeah, i know

no terrible memes for us anymore

[next ginkgo]

that company must be the least fun company ever

[obtuse sorrel]

Actually I think unlocked I still sit at 300+ fps in lobby on all epic.

I tweaked the gpu settings for max performance.

[ancient crystal]

i'm gonna just get a 5700, if i can get 144fps to specifically match with my adaptive sync i'll be just fine

[next ginkgo]

i'm surprised a 6700k bottlenecks a 2070s but a 8700k doesn't

[obtuse sorrel]

Everything in the nvidia panel as far as quality is useless, you can barely see the difference, and if you turn it all off or gear it towards max performance, you easily see a 50-100fps difference depending on in game graphic settings.

Probably because of the raw core speed + Fortnite recently integrated multi-threaded rendering and dx12 which lets it utilize your cpu better.

[next ginkgo]

ah

[obtuse sorrel]

If I moved up to 1440p it wouldn't even matter, but if I decide on 240/1080 then the newer beefier cpu will help my 2070S max out its potential thanks to those changes.

And what I want is to play at mixed settings and maintain a solid 240 with little to no 1% dips below that point.

I like to turn off shadows and post processing. They make the absolute biggest fps difference. All the other settings in that game make minimal difference, but still a small difference.

So I like to keep anti-aliasing on high, effects on high, and draw distance on high. It's a nice balance for insane fps while having the game still look very good.

And right at those settings exactly it seems to balance out the load between being cpu and gpu bound, so both upgrades will make a difference.

This is my theory.

[next ginkgo]

hey i noticed MW says the resolution is 2880p on my 1440p monitor, does anyone know why it's super scaled and if there's a way to turn that off to get better FPS?

[obtuse sorrel]

Can you just create a custom resolution?

[next ginkgo]

it looks really blurry if you turn it down to 1440p

so i don't know what it's doing

[obtuse sorrel]

So we're talking in game settings?

[next ginkgo]

yeah in game

[obtuse sorrel]

What about windowed fullscreen?

[next ginkgo]

i think it's related to nvidia dynamic super resolution but i'm not sure how to turn that off

lemme check

[obtuse sorrel]

It's in the nvidia control panel.

[next ginkgo]

there's not an option to disable it in the control panel from what i see

[obtuse sorrel]

It should be just below the low latency option.

[next ginkgo]

oh i see you just uncheck all of them to disable it

let me see what that does to the game

[obtuse sorrel]

And it will have options for the different scaling amounts, 2x, 1,78x, 4x, whatever.

Actually you don't have to uncheck any of them there's a separate option just above those individual options to disable DSR altogether.

Or you can try creating a custom resolution/refresh rate and it will tell you it has to disable DSR and will do it for you.

[next ginkgo]

i dont see it, but i unchecked all of them and now it says Off for DSR-Factors

[obtuse sorrel]

Yea your only other option would be to use windowed fullscreen which will just default to your monitor.

And at our level of hardware the whole "fullscreen vs windowed fullscreen" affecting performance argument hardly applies. I never see any increase in fps between the two.

[next ginkgo]

yeah i always play windowed fullscreen when i can

[obtuse sorrel]

And for me trying to stream in fullscreen is annoying with two displays.

[next ginkgo]

i think it was super scaling even in windowed, but turning it off in nvidia seems to have disabled it

[obtuse sorrel]

I do way too much interaction in chat and changing things, looking things up, watching youtube videos with viewers while servers are down or cue times are up, etc.

Good deal.

Yay I helped back.

[next ginkgo]

somehow it doesn't seem to have improved FPS though

[obtuse sorrel]

Small difference.

[next ginkgo]

huh, i would have thought rendering at 4x resolution would have had a bigger impact

OH, i had DXR on

[obtuse sorrel]

Unless the game doesn't support it properly.

Bro I've done DSR for Fortnite and ran it at 4x rendering and my fps doesn't change.

It even lists 4k as an option and lets me set it.

[next ginkgo]

yeah it doesn't seem to be much better if at all, damn

[obtuse sorrel]

Like there's no way I'm pumping out 300-400 fps in game at 4k resolution scaling.

So I just disable DSR and overclock my 144hz monitor to 160hz.

[next ginkgo]

i'm actually getting more FPS with DSR on somehow

maybe i'm standing in a slightly different spot

nvm, 125-126 with DSR off, 124-126 with 2x, 125-126 with 4x

so it makes no difference

weird, wonder how they do that

[obtuse sorrel]

They don't.

If your fps isn't changing then it's not actually scaling.

Meaning the game just doesn't properly support DSR.

[next ginkgo]

then why does MW say render resolution 5120x2880?

[obtuse sorrel]

It sees the resolution option but it isn't "really" applying it. Or at least what it's applying isn't a higher resolution being downscaled, but just your same native resolution.

[next ginkgo]

ah i see

so that's why it got blurry when i turned it down to "1440p"

cause it was actually 1/4 scale

[daring minnow]

@obtuse sorrel whats the specs?

[obtuse sorrel]

You'll have to ask the game devs when they're going to properly support DSR.

Fortnite needs to do the same thing.

Yea so it gets blurry cause it's 1/4th scaling your native resolution not the resolution you specified.

[next ginkgo]

i'd like to get 144fps in this game but i guess 120 is enough

[obtuse sorrel]

Specs on?

[daring minnow]

the PC you were asking help for on valuing

[obtuse sorrel]

Oh right, my rig I'm selling.

[daring minnow]

if you have a PCPP list that would be helpful too XD

[obtuse sorrel]

6700k (overclocks to 4.6ghz at fixed 1.34 volts), msi gaming 8g 1070 (overclocks to just under 2000mhz), ASRock z170 Gaming K6 mobo, 16gb DDR4 3200mhz Gskill Ripjaw V Ram (Black), 250gb SSD, 1tb HDD.

Pretty basic case though it has top ventilation, one front panel led fan, one back panel led fan, side panel ventilation, and a dust filter for the psu.

All the ventilation is that mesh style metal to decrease dust as well. I never really get any dust buildup inside the case or heatsinks.

750 watt bronze psu. Nothing fancy.

@next ginkgo what does your nvidia control panel settings look like?

Because if you turn off most of that stuff you see like no difference in game but a significant increase in fps.

Some of it needs to stay on because it actually helps with performance, but I can't tell you which things cause I'm not looking at the panel.

[daring minnow]

6700K - $150
BOARD - $50
RAM - $40
SSD - $20
HDD - $15
GPU - $180
case - ?
PSU - $40

$600ish

but, you can poblable get $700-$750 for it

@obtuse sorrel

[next ginkgo]

i think all the important stuff is turned off

do you turn on low latency mode? @obtuse sorrel

[obtuse sorrel]

@next ginkgo Turn on low latency mode per individual game. If you turn it on globally it tries to apply low latency to every application and depending on your hardware that can cause things to crash when you launch things like the game.

I went through this when I tried to stream with low latency on. My SLOBS would vanish and so would a few other apps. Then when I turned it on for ONLY Fortnite and Apex but left it off globally it worked just fine.

[next ginkgo]

ah that makes sense

[obtuse sorrel]

@daring minnow If I can make 600-700 then I've made my budget for the new system. Actually, above it as long as I don't have to buy windows for $130

And I just talked to a guy at my work who wants to check it out and is thinking about working a deal with me.

[daring minnow]

idk what cooler you're using either

so that would add a bit

windows is free

or you can buy a licesne key for like $5 on ebay

[obtuse sorrel]

If he offers anything 600 or higher I'm just doing it and being done with it. I currently only need 1250 to finish the build and I'll have 700 saved in another week.

hyper 212 evo.

So basically at this point I only need the thing to sell and the new build is bought.

Anything I make above that just means I can make tiny upgrades that I don't even really need at this point. I think the build looks pretty solid as is.

[next ginkgo]

sweet i'm getting like 144fps in MW now

[obtuse sorrel]

It made a difference right? And I bet the visual difference is hard to even tell.

And what nvidia doesn't tell you is that you can still have anti-aliasing by using the in game settings because there is usually the game engine's version and then nvidia's version if it's turned on. Nvidia's hurts your fps more.

Things like that.

Now shader cache and the other options that boost performance should be left on.

[next ginkgo]

i left some basic AA and texture filtering on, i don't want it to look like complete poo

[obtuse sorrel]

Something else, too I forget.

[next ginkgo]

the only ones that really seem to make a difference are AA and shadow resolution

[obtuse sorrel]

Texture filtering, yes, and anything to do with that with max performance bias.

I was so surprised the first day I tried turning all that off and saw a 100+ fps difference in lobby and 50+ fps difference in game in Fortnite.

Here's the build now with the new storage we decided on and without factoring in Windows if I really can get it for super cheap. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZTTZcq

Mind you I'm buying all this at Microcenter so the prices aren't exact.

My cost will be $1,258.20 - the 700 I'm going to have saved up.

My rig has to pay for the difference.

[next ginkgo]

you could go to 16GB ram without hurting games right? was there a reason you needed 32?

[obtuse sorrel]

Plus I still have a Corsair M65 Elite for sale, brand new. A Corsair MM300 Extended Mousepad, brand new. A Corsair K55 used but good condition. A Hyper X Cloud Stinger used but good condition. And a Sound Blaster X G1 USB Headset Soundcard with 7.1 simulated surround sound pretty much like new condition all for sale.

Well I wanted to go quad channel and I don't want to do that with 4gb sticks, so I figured I'd just go the full upgrade since it seemed to be in the budget, plus later on as I push to do more things and dabble in video editing, etc, I thought it couldn't hurt.

Plus RGB ram just looks so much nicer with 4 sticks.

I mean cmon.

But yes if I really wanted to or needed to I could drop another $80 off the budget.

The thing is do I really need to?

[brisk flame]

You can get RGB dummy ram sticks

[obtuse sorrel]

That's a thing?

[brisk flame]

They look identical to the ram you have, but have no actual silicon

[obtuse sorrel]

Ok so just out of curiosity I dropped to 16gb and upped the PSU to the Corsair RM 750 X and that puts the budget at $1,190.80 - 700

I guess I just notice a lot when I'm gaming/streaming my ram usage sometimes gets up in the 60% or higher even with 16GB and sometimes I wonder, will I need more if I ever decide to record while streaming, or do other tasks while streaming? Will more help for video editing if that's something I start doing?

Idk these things.

Just wanted a beefy rig.

But yea that would put me at what only needing a minimum of $500 out of my current build.

Not saying I want to sell it that low unless I have to.

[brisk flame]

More will definitely be necessary for video editing

Well, for intensive video editing

[obtuse sorrel]

Just means I can still get the build done with less ram if I get impatient and want the thing to fly out my door so I can get the new one.

Plus I suppose I can always take on overtime in the future and buy another set.

Not like I really care about dropping 80 bucks later down the line.

[next ginkgo]

gskill makes dummy sticks? lol

[brisk flame]

Eh, just stick with the 32gb set I guess. I don't see a reason in getting it later.

[obtuse sorrel]

But, if my first offer for this rig ends up being 600-800 I'm taking it and getting all the bells and whistles.

Well where I'm buying it it's actually cheaper to buy two sets of 16 which is how I was going to do it. The 4 pack for some reason is $15 more, not even on sale.

[next ginkgo]

i see

[brisk flame]

Plus, sometimes if you get a set, and try to mix it with what should be an identical set, you won't be able to push the same speed and timings

[obtuse sorrel]

So whether I buy them together or at a separate time it won't matter.

[brisk flame]

That's fine, but the dimms may not cooperate. They most likely will, but sometimes they're fussy and end up clocking a few 100mhz lower

That's why buying a full set of 4 is more expensive

[next ginkgo]

is that only if you're overclocking? or even with XMP?

[obtuse sorrel]

A full set is 189.99 at their store and if I buy two separate sets of 16gb of the same exact thing it comes to 165.

Isn't XMP guaranteed though considering they're selling them advertised as 3200mhz?

So it's actually $25 cheaper. Damn.

[brisk flame]

If you have a set of two, and mix it with another set of two that are "identical" but haven't been tested together to run at a speed of like 3600 together, just because both sets individually clock that high, that doesn't mean you will be able to get both sets together to clock that high.

That's the premium you pay for a "guaranteed" speed

[obtuse sorrel]

The way Microcenter is with customer service, if I bought two pairs and 16 and didn't get the advertised 3200mhz, they'd probably just swap me to the 4 pack and price match it.

I've dealt with them a lot.

[brisk flame]

Microcenter nice

[next ginkgo]

true they have good service

i wish the microcenter here weren't 90 minutes away

i'd be broke if they were close though

[ancient crystal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3NcBq3

[obtuse sorrel]

Plus I'm about to drop another $1200 after dropping $550 and buying a prebuilt for $1500 2 1/2-3 years ago + peripherals.

[brisk flame]

I mean, the closest microcenter to me is like hours away

[ancient crystal]

seagate compute drive for cheaper

[obtuse sorrel]

Yea, they'll treat me good if anything goes wrong.

[ancient crystal]

corsair power supply for the same price

corsair cooler for about $30 more

[next ginkgo]

he's shopping microcenter specifically

[ancient crystal]

H100i

yes, but microcenter should have that stuff

[obtuse sorrel]

At microcenter the barracuda is the cheapest 2tb drive.

[next ginkgo]

oh right they price match right?

[obtuse sorrel]

Unless you meant the nvme

No they don't price match.

[next ginkgo]

ah

[obtuse sorrel]

That's Best Buy and Best Buy no longer matches Newegg.

[ancient crystal]

no i was talking about the barracuda, the compute version is a little faster iirc

[next ginkgo]

does best buy still match amazon?

[obtuse sorrel]

But it's more right?

Amazon yes, I think, for now.

[next ginkgo]

nice

[ancient crystal]

target matches amazon, it's really cool when amazon has a sale on a TV

[obtuse sorrel]

I understand you're trying to help but I don't want a corsair cooler, even if it was half the price and I have reasons I explained a few hours ago when we started this.

[next ginkgo]

ah, there's no such thing as a barracuda compute

all of the basic barracudas say compute on the label

[obtuse sorrel]

Everything in my build is compatible with a single lighting sync.

[ancient crystal]

sorry, i wasn't here during that

[obtuse sorrel]

The ram, the mobo, case fans, cooler, everything.

I hear ya.

[ancient crystal]

also i didn't modify your parts list, it was someone else's

[obtuse sorrel]

Cool cool.

I did swap for the Corsair RM 750 X

[dreamy dragon]

AnniS#7280 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[obtuse sorrel]

I just didn't update the parts list.

[ancient crystal]

oh god one more time lmao

i'm a mess

[obtuse sorrel]

Microcenter only has the barracuda, skyhawk, and ironwolf.

Barracuda is only $50.

[ancient crystal]

IRONWOLF

yeah microcenter is pretty good

i miss having one

[obtuse sorrel]

That's twice the price though.

[ancient crystal]

i lived in minnesota and there was one close

[obtuse sorrel]

Like is there anything bad about the barracuda?

[ancient crystal]

no, there isn't

[rough sluice]

Whats a better alternative to an rx590 at around $200-230?

[ancient crystal]

i was just remarking on how cool ironwolf sounds

[obtuse sorrel]

I'm putting my competitive games on 970 evo nvme m.2 anyway.

[summer peak]

@rough sluice there really isn't one.

[obtuse sorrel]

Everything else, single player slow paced games I care less about are going on the hdd.

[ancient crystal]

and apparently i did modify your list but i thought it was something else

[rough sluice]

Not a 1060?

[summer peak]

maybe the 1660

1060 is worse

[obtuse sorrel]

I'll fix it later.

[ancient crystal]

does that edit permanently?

[summer peak]

but the 1660 and 590 are so close it really doesn't matter

[obtuse sorrel]

I was going to update changes anyway, besides I have all this listed in my cart for microcenter anyway.\

[ancient crystal]

i thought it made a totally new one

[summer peak]

you're looking at 1-2 fps difference either way depending on the game

and that fluctuates between nvidia and amd leaning

[rough sluice]

I just returned a 590 because it sounded like a jet engine taking off and was still going around 79-82c in apex

[obtuse sorrel]

I only made the pcpartpicker so I could show you guys the parts.

[summer peak]

there are good coolers and bad coolers, could have also been a thermal paste issue

but if you want to switch, go for a 1660

[obtuse sorrel]

Were you playing apex on low settings?

[rough sluice]

I see. Thank you for your response visi

[obtuse sorrel]

Or max settings?

[summer peak]

right in your price range, and competes directly with the 590

[next ginkgo]

the barracuda is actually faster than the ironwolf in the 2TB size, interesting

[obtuse sorrel]

Weird.

[summer peak]

ironwolf is a storage drive

it's not meant to be fast

it's meant to be reliable

it's for NAS

[rough sluice]

I appreciate it 🙏🏻

[next ginkgo]

well, the higher capacity ones are actually faster too

[obtuse sorrel]

Well they both come with warranties.

[summer peak]

not to say that the barracuda isn't reliable

but it's just a different use case

[obtuse sorrel]

And I'm not building a server I'm looking to keep for 10 years.

[next ginkgo]

the 8TB ironwolf is significantly faster than the 8TB barracuda

[obtuse sorrel]

I'm building a fast performance pc on a fixed budget I expect to last 3-5 years.

[summer peak]

As I said earlier I can't give you data on failure rates but barracuda drives I've gotten have lasted around 5 years

never had a dead drive when I got them either

[obtuse sorrel]

I mean I have a toshiba p100 1tb drive or some crap right now and it's lasted 3 years with zero issue.

And I've put that thing through its paces. Constantly changing games in my list and doing large installs/uninstalls. It's held up.

[next ginkgo]

i think i've had my WD black for like 7-9 years but i can't say i used it that hard, it was only a boot drive for a few of those years

[summer peak]

they're also double the price so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[next ginkgo]

probably was idle for the last 5 or so lel

[obtuse sorrel]

I think I like where this price range is sitting. I get everything I need and my current pc only has to sell for $500. If it sells for $600 or more then I can go back to 32gb ram and even possibly move up on things like the cooler, or storage.

[summer peak]

I think you're in a good place with it too

[obtuse sorrel]

But I'm actually certain $500 would be the easiest sell for this rig so no matter what my new rig is going to happen.

And that alone is a great feeling, because I have always wanted a custom rig I could build myself so I knew everything looked perfect, and one with killer performance.

Any thoughts on the mobo I chose? Good enough for what I'm trying to do? I almost went with the Ultra but idk how I feel about spending 200+ on a mobo.

When this one is only 179 and I get $20 off for buying the 9700k with it.

I assumed since it has the 8 pin + 4 pin power you mentioned that it would have more than enough power for my relatively mild over to 5ghz all core.

And I think it only has 1 m.2 slot but I only need one.

Not sure what else I need to know about or check before choosing that one.

It has onboard 7.1 support for my 5.1 speaker system, so I don't need a soundcard. It has onboard intel gigabit lan so I don't need the intel gigabit pcie card I bought for my current system.

So basically only using what's right there in the parts list,

[next ginkgo]

i mean there are definitely cheaper intel boards

[obtuse sorrel]

Yea I didn't want to buy a B board or anything.

But I wanted to make sure this was within that mid range quality that will safely get the job done and has everything I need without over spending on what I wouldn't need.

Like the Ultra has 3 m.2 slots. I don't need that. Not even sure what other important differences there are but I wouldn't know if I needed them anyway.

And by the time I upgrade, I'll literally do the same thing I'm doing now and save, sell the whole system, build new.

So idc about adding things later unless it's the extra ram.

[next ginkgo]

not much cheaper so i guess not worth sweating

[obtuse sorrel]

Maybe an extra drive if I start editing video but hell I could just get an external for that.

So it's still a good quality board?

[next ginkgo]

yeah for sure

that case has plenty of drive bays if you need to add more SSDs

[obtuse sorrel]

pcpartpicker says using the m.2 slot disables one of my sata6

Not sure which one.

[next ginkgo]

on my Asus board that's only if the M.2 is in sata mode, not sure if that's the same for gigabyte

so it wouldn't apply to your 970 evo anyway if that's the case

that board actually has 2x M.2s

[obtuse sorrel]

Gotcha.

Brb.

[lone pond]

barracuda is a type of fish

[slender vigil]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q662x6 what you guys think

[summer peak]

Looks okay to me, why the 2070 super over a 5700xt?

Also the ram is overpriced

also the ssds confuse me -- an nvme drive for storage? a worse 2.5" ssd at 500gb for...?

[slender vigil]

I already have 860 evo just added it bc why not

[summer peak]

o, so not buying it

gotcha

[slender vigil]

And why 5700 xt

[summer peak]

Nearly identical performance for 100 dollars less -- the 2070 super still makes sense if you're planning to stream often -- NVENC is nice to have

but otherwise for most consumers the rx 5700xt is the better buy

[slender vigil]

I have Gsync monitor and planning to stream

So that’s why I picked it

[summer peak]

you're good then

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GZFC8M

I'd change to this RAM

better performance

[slender vigil]

Surprised didn’t say anything about cpu lol thought you say like why that cpu

Alr

Thank you

[summer peak]

that CPU is great

idk why you'd think that

[slender vigil]

No no no i think you say that’s to overkill

[summer peak]

really good for both gaming and especially any sort of editing work

well if it's in your budget, why not

[slender vigil]

I do virtual machines serves and stuff

[summer peak]

absolutely a great choice then

[slender vigil]

Servers

[summer peak]

good choice on the power supply too

[slender vigil]

Ye rn I’m rocking with a intel Xeon E5 2643 Duel cpu ram 64 gb ddr3 speed 1600 and card 1070 ftw

And if I add just 2070 s I’ll be bottlenecking it and stuff

[summer peak]

that's gonna be a good jump up then

you put together a really solid list and I can only really nitpick like that RAM

[slender vigil]

Ye

Current pc

[summer peak]

nice

[slender vigil]

When I built this it was meant for server stuff and tiny bit of mc on 2016 but then I got into higher end games and streaming but still doing server stuff

[summer peak]

yeah

that rig will be super solid for all of that

[obtuse sorrel]

I'm about to be done work so thank you everyone in here that was kind enough to hang for so long and talk tech. Later.

[summer peak]

see ya' later jemuzu

[slender vigil]

My dad is rocking with 128 DDR3 ram 10 SSDs don’t know which, GTX 1080 liquid cooling, Intel Xeon Duel cpu newer version also both cpus liquid cooled, and some other stuff

[summer peak]

but why tho

lol

[slender vigil]

He does not game at all so idk why he picked 1080 especially liquid cooled

He works for the va at home

He wanted to make a quiet server that’s not big

My setup atm

Replacing keyboard, just ordered new one

[summer peak]

i spent all my monitor budget on a VR headset

[slender vigil]

You kidding right

[summer peak]

nah

I got a cheap 100 dollar monitor and a rift S

and I'm loving it

[slender vigil]

Higher refresh rates monitors are the best

[summer peak]

I barely play pancake games anymore

[slender vigil]

I switched my birthday present from a vr headset to RTX 2070 s

[summer peak]

I mean it's a good choice but also F

VR is great

[slender vigil]

Then we’re upgrading entire rig shortly

I know it looks hella fun but need to upgrade first

[summer peak]

yeah

[ancient crystal]

visi why aren't you shilling that team group stuff, that stuff is good and/or ridiculously cheap

[summer peak]

Well, he wants RGB on the ram

from the looks of it

[ancient crystal]

oh

[slender vigil]

Idc about rgb ram I just heard it was good ram

[summer peak]

o

lemme update that then

[slender vigil]

I care about performance over rgb

[ancient crystal]

you can save some money

3200/3600 are basically the same performance wise in ryzen systems

because INFINITY FABRIC and whatever

there's some infinitesimal difference

[summer peak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pYm2x6

well this is worse performance than the RGB ram I put in

but it is 50 less

@ancient crystal zen 2 benefits from 3600

[ancient crystal]

oh really

[summer peak]

yeah

[ancient crystal]

well i'll be damned

[slender vigil]

Then I’d take the 3600 lol

[summer peak]

zen and zen+ only need 3200

yeah

[slender vigil]

Rn running with 1600 😂

[ancient crystal]

infinity fabric sounds like something out of anime

[summer peak]

hah yeah

@slender vigil btw I told this to anni yesterday but if you want VR on the cheap look into the samsung odyssey+

you can get one for 230 usd atm

it's a super solid headset

[slender vigil]

For like parlov and beat saber?

[summer peak]

I've personally used it in both

[ancient crystal]

hopefully it doesn't increase in price too much by the time i can buy one

[summer peak]

I'm not the best at beat saber but it worked fine for both for me

[ancient crystal]

i'm cannibalizing old parts but i've got RAM to buy and some other nonsense

[summer peak]

To some extent you're getting what you pay for, but the tracking isn't terrible or anything, and it actually has some advantages compared to IE the rift S in so far as the audio solution is better and the display has better color and black levels

[slender vigil]

I wonder how much I can sell my rig rn

[ancient crystal]

i would probably be bad at beat saber

[summer peak]

the caveat is if you need glasses you'll want to consider custom lens inserts for it

which raises the price a bit

[slender vigil]

We just sold the gtx 1070 that was in my rig

[ancient crystal]

and i can't see the broad side of a barn without my glasses so it's kind of essential for me

[slender vigil]

Funny thing I can’t game for 5 days

[summer peak]

https://youtu.be/8nuYn8UxOPY?t=80

I showed this to anni but it's timestamped and will give you an idea about the tracking on it

you can lose tracking if you move the controllers above or behind the headset and keep them there

but as long as the controllers are moving it'll keep tracking with inertial data

and they'll snap right back into place when you move the controllers in view of the cameras

and this is an older video -- the tracking works even slightly better due to updates since then

[slender vigil]

Visit how much you think I can sell this rig with intel Xeon E5 2643 Duel cpu, 64 ddr3 gbs ddr3 and 850 wat ps dell

[summer peak]

I really couldn't tell you for sure, I'm not super familiar with xeon processors or what they're worth

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Xeon+E5+2643&_sacat=0

oof

[slender vigil]

Ok then...

[ancient crystal]

i'd try selling the whole thing for $500 since it's a bit of an oddity and some geeky person might be interested just to geek on it

[summer peak]

do you know the motherboard?

[ancient crystal]

it's still a good server too

[summer peak]

I think server boards are more expensive

[slender vigil]

Dell precision t5600 I think

[split hearth]

I dont think anyone would pay 500$

[summer peak]

maybe 300

from the looks of things

that's rough man

[slender vigil]

I’d try 400 and go from there

[summer peak]

yeah, you can always lower the price if nobody buys

start high, work your way down over time

[split hearth]

The problen with workstation and Xeon is that people dont know they exist

[dreamy dragon]

Swift#4102 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[slender vigil]

Really f is not allowed

[split hearth]

Hard to find buyers :/

[slender vigil]

My cpu is worth a McDonald’s combo

Great

[split hearth]

Thats why Xeon and workstations are so cheap on ebay

[slender vigil]

No one knows there decent

[split hearth]

People just want to get rid of them

[slender vigil]

It’s actually a pretty decent cpu for server stuff but being sold for a fast food combo

[summer peak]

yeah, like, I personally don't know that much about them and I consider myself a PC enthusiast -- I used to build PCs for a living even.

I had no idea what they're worth until I looked

[midnight summit]

Hello gents

[slender vigil]

Newer versions are much more expensive I think

[summer peak]

hiya