graphics-cards

[summer peak]

pentium 4 with an x900 pro

wait

no

[ancient crystal]

that's a nice system for half life 2

[summer peak]

9800pro

my memory is boomertier even though I'm not that old

[ancient crystal]

still stands

i'm 36 and i already have like no memory

[summer peak]

I had to save up for a year doing chores with my brother for neighbors

like mowing lawns etc

fun stuff

[ancient crystal]

mowing lawns for a computer, that sounds rough

[summer peak]

that game blew my mind and got me into tech in general

started learning about computers for it

I feel like a kid again with half life alyx coming out

ngl

[ancient crystal]

eheh

i kind of want to play it too, even though i've never played the series

it seems like it's going to be something big

making it VR exclusive was a bold move

at least valve developed a thing

besides the steam client

😄

[summer peak]

hah

They're working on 2 more VR games

half life alyx is their flagship though

[lone pond]

will half life alyx has mp?

[summer peak]

probably not

[ancient crystal]

it's likely a side story or something

with different characters

[summer peak]

It takes place between half life 1 and 2

I wouldn't call it a side story though

the characters are all integral to the narrative

Alyx and Eli Vance are main characters

[ancient crystal]

i'm not familiar with them

[summer peak]

Valve also said it's a mainline half life title so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

but it is a prequel

[ancient crystal]

do i have to paly half life now

[summer peak]

I would recommend it

yeah

if you can't stomach the graphics of half life 1 try black mesa

it's a remake

just got the final levels added

[ancient crystal]

i'll certainly play it before i get a VR headset :3

[summer peak]

they're really great games though

[ancient crystal]

yeah black mesa is the route i'd be going

i like how valve picked it up and encouraged the devs

[summer peak]

Valve recommends playing Half Life 2 Episode 2 before Half Life Alyx for what that's worth

tells me there's something more than just it being a prequel tbh

[ancient crystal]

yeah it sounds that way

it'll be fun because i absolutely suck at FPS

how i made it through the metroid prime series i will have no idea until the end of time

[summer peak]

metroid prime

[ancient crystal]

waiting for MP4

[summer peak]

same

[ancient crystal]

but we'll be waiting a long time

[summer peak]

I didn't actually play 3 yet, I skipped out on a wii... I should emulate that.

[ancient crystal]

3 is really a lovely game

[summer peak]

I swear I have a legit copy to dump please don't report me to nintendo

[ancient crystal]

except it has gimmicky "stick this thing in the keyhole and rotate it with the wiimote" stuff

[summer peak]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

what are ya' gonna do, they were trying to show off motion controls

I think dolphin is using openXR to get vr controllers to emulate wiimotes

which is cool

[lone pond]

I've never have a good experiences with dolphin

[ancient crystal]

also nintendo doesn't care about people pirating their old games, they focus on stopping piracy from happening on their main consoles

[lone pond]

it tends to crahs

for no reasons

[summer peak]

I've never had issues with dolphin so idk

[ancient crystal]

they're cracking down on switch pirates though

[summer peak]

Played through xenoblade on it

[lone pond]

but mostly because of their subpar HLE audio implementation idk about now

[ancient crystal]

doing system bans

[lone pond]

haven't tried them in like 2 years

if there's any emulators that wow-ed me

it was PPSSPP and Cemu

[ancient crystal]

Cemu was for what now

[lone pond]

Wii U

[ancient crystal]

oh

[lone pond]

took like less than 1 year to have a working emulator that can plays AAA games on it

[summer peak]

CEMU is great but if you have an AMD card... oof

[lone pond]

that's awesom

[ancient crystal]

emulating the wii u is easy, you just emulate the wii but do it 3 times and slightly faster

[summer peak]

Vulkan support can't come soon enough

[lone pond]

PPSSPP did what jpcsp couldn't

[summer peak]

PPSSPP is great yeah

[lone pond]

but jpcsp was stupid anyways

who makes an emulator on java?

[summer peak]

somebody that only knows how to program in java and is too lazy to learn other languages

[ancient crystal]

the wii u has something like 3xPotatoPC cores at like 1.2GHz and then a really stronk GPU

it's the worst design

[summer peak]

yeah the wii u was a weird system

[ancient crystal]

CPU can't handle all the logic

[summer peak]

xenoblade chronicles X switch port when

[ancient crystal]

2020

not sure exactly when

[lone pond]

probably not happening

[summer peak]

nah that's just xenoblade chronicles

[lone pond]

they are remaking the original xenoblade

[summer peak]

which is cool but

I want my mechs

[ancient crystal]

xenoblade X is definitely coming

[lone pond]

they said in an interview a few months back

[ancient crystal]

it will perform better on the switch and also sell more copies

[lone pond]

the yare not interested and don't have the manpower

[summer peak]

Yeah

[lone pond]

to make a switch port

for X

it all comes down to resources

[ancient crystal]

an actual reason to buy a wii U?

oof

[lone pond]

CEMU can emulate xenoblade X just fine

[summer peak]

CEMU is cool tho

yeah

well

if you have an nvidia gpu...

[lone pond]

and you can even play online on it if you have the unique online keys

of a Wii U

[summer peak]

My RX 5700 gets sub 30 fps in xenoblade chronicles x in cemu

and botw too

[lone pond]

poor you

[summer peak]

not just me

[ancient crystal]

botw on wii U gets sub 30fps anyway

[summer peak]

vulkan works just fine but

[lone pond]

it was the same for rpcs3

[summer peak]

it's a ways away for cemu

[lone pond]

some games broke

with amd gpus

like super robot taisen OGs

they fixed it now but

takes time

[summer peak]

nah, it's not the games, it's just that their openGL implementation sucks and AMD has bad drivers for it to begin with

I've tested the vulkan build but it only really works with botw

it's good though

get over 60fps

[ancient crystal]

over 60fps on BotW

[summer peak]

ye

[ancient crystal]

that's not even something you get on an actual switch

[summer peak]

yep

[ancient crystal]

lol

[lone pond]

that's what emulators are for

makings dreams come true

imagine yuzu or ryujinX making xenoblade 2 playable on PC

60 fps

4k

[summer peak]

it's getting there

tbh

[lone pond]

that would be sick

[frozen pebble]

visi

[summer peak]

xenoblade 2 boots now just have massive visual issues

[frozen pebble]

1060 better than 980Ti?

[summer peak]

no

[frozen pebble]

for fps

[summer peak]

980ti is better

[frozen pebble]

^

for fps?

[summer peak]

yes

[lone pond]

xenoblade 2 actually have good graphics now

the potential is there

[ancient crystal]

xenoblade 2 is nice looking and really always has been

[lone pond]

but switch is kinda weak for it

thus why we get subpar res and stuffs

[ancient crystal]

switch just uses dynamic resolution on it

[summer peak]

@lone pond https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcoZ1RiGzNE&t=655s

[ancient crystal]

900p is the starting point

[summer peak]

it's... it's something at least

[ancient crystal]

but it goes down

[lone pond]

if an emulator works, xenoblade 2 is gonna looks

amazing

personally I can't wait to replay it at 4k

[summer peak]

it wouldn't even boot before, so

[lone pond]

prob gonna take years

[summer peak]

you can see some progress

[lone pond]

well yea x.x years away from being playable

what I want the most now

is to be able to play lost odyssey

on PC

[ancient crystal]

lost odyssey is so good

[lone pond]

that game was so dope

[ancient crystal]

that game made me feel many feelings

[lone pond]

shadow hearts successor if you actually know the company

[ancient crystal]

especially the bits of text in between

[lone pond]

and shadow hearts was also dope

[summer peak]

never played it

[lone pond]

but thye made the wrong choice

and went with xbox

thus why they failed and have to sell the company

[ancient crystal]

it was a really bad choice

[summer peak]

there is a 360 emulator but

it's got a ways to go

[ancient crystal]

mistwalker was making mobage last i heard

[lone pond]

and their mobage sucks

[summer peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtXVR0KashE

actually looks pretty playable

[lone pond]

nah actually it's not

broken audio and whatsnot also ring glitch

in battle

[summer peak]

there's battle gameplay in theere

[lone pond]

this was a hacked unreal engine build

gotta wait like another year or so

FMVs are also bugged because this game did it like ff8 or ff9

where FMV blends into gameplay

and at chapter 8 it freezes regardless

[summer peak]

well, it'll get there

[lone pond]

game is really awesome

you gotta check it out if you have an xbox one

you can actually play it upscaled on 4k there

[summer peak]

I only have my pc unfortunately

so I'll have to wait

[ancient crystal]

if you have an xbox one X*

the 500 dollar xbox

[summer peak]

wat nah

[lone pond]

heard ps5 is gonna be stronger than rtx 2080

[summer peak]

you can get an xbox one x for 350

[ancient crystal]

really

[summer peak]

yes

https://www.amazon.com/Xbox-One-1TB-Console-Fallen/dp/B07YD5ZBTW/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=xbox+one+x&qid=1575891683&sr=8-3

[ancient crystal]

i might be interested

[lone pond]

you can play lots of old games

upscaled

xbox has the best backward compabilities

[ancient crystal]

i need to buy another switch first

[lone pond]

I'm waiting for that inevitable mid season upgrade Switch

newer Switch is just an updated model with better battery

[summer peak]

I kind of want a switch lite but I'm afraid of stick drift

[lone pond]

switch pro when x.x

[ancient crystal]

let's just say there was an accident with my last switch involving a dongle and a jig and trying to deliver a payload and that not working

[lone pond]

you pirate

bad bad you

[ancient crystal]

i don't feel bad about entering the rich world of homebrew applications for the nintendo switch

[summer peak]

I hacked my vita

[ancient crystal]

i hacked my 3DS

it took 2 hours

[lone pond]

I'm not a big homebrews fans on anything but a PSP

or vita

[summer peak]

vita homebrew is great

[lone pond]

3ds tho too weak

[summer peak]

adrenaline is literally just turning it into a psp and it's great

[ancient crystal]

3DS opens up amazingly with luma firmware

[summer peak]

full psp firmware

[lone pond]

vita has a legit reason of being a PSP

[ancient crystal]

3DS is surprisingly powerful, especially the new 3DS

[summer peak]

so it has all the vita homebrew and all the psp homebrew

[ancient crystal]

which is CPU wise more powerful than the wii u

[summer peak]

no it's not lol

the wii u isn't particularly powerful but it's still got more raw compute than the 3ds

even the new 3ds

[lone pond]

I Sold my 3ds after finishing rune frontier 4

[ancient crystal]

the wii u is a potato

i remember being really impressed playing xenoblade on 3DS

and looking down in that tree area

and seeing all the way to the bottom

[summer peak]

""impressed""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0EyViElauI

[ancient crystal]

like i seriously don't know how they managed it on n3DS

[summer peak]

I mean sure but the could have managed it much better on the wii u

because it's... got more compute

it's silly to say that the 3ds is more powerful

[ancient crystal]

i was exaggerating a bit

[summer peak]

more than a bit lol

the 3ds is potato

[ancient crystal]

i am a bit of a wii u hater because i bought one and it just sat there with a stack of 5 games i didn't like

[summer peak]

weaker than even the vita which is also potato

[ancient crystal]

the new 3DS is similar CPU but has an extra core, doubling the processing power available to games

since one core has always gone to the OS

so it prior to that was a single core machine

[lone pond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bCCF1WMpJ0

I'm always ready for this

looks like they are remaking the entire game

[summer peak]

yeah

pretty excited to see shulk not looking like a potato

seriously that game was both beautiful and ugly as sin

[lone pond]

for its year and hardware

it was beautiful

[summer peak]

ehhhh

there were better looking wii games

by far

it was mostly the scale that set it apart

[lone pond]

subjective

[summer peak]

no not really

he looked like a potato before

basically a flat texture on a low poly model

meanwhile you had games like red steel 2 that looks great on the wii

the thing is those better looking games didn't have the scale that xenoblade had

[lone pond]

let's hope he screams fiora louder this time

[summer peak]

plz

they better not change the voice acting

the dub was actually not awful

[lone pond]

they didn't chance his voice actor for

xb2

it's too late to change anything

[summer peak]

yeah but the dub for xb2 sucks

feels really awkward

[lone pond]

I don't play with dub anyways

[summer peak]

rex sounds like a potato

[ancient crystal]

the dub for XB2 is great

everyone is a scot

[summer peak]

big disagree

[ancient crystal]

except people who have been around for a long time

they are americans

[summer peak]

that's cool and all but the voice acting and direction sounds stiff and awkward as hell

not natural at all

[ancient crystal]

it is hilarious

and yeah it's stiff

like i get that

[lone pond]

they changed the character names from their native names

[ancient crystal]

i just enjoy some of the terrible things about it because they're terrible

[lone pond]

just for localization

I hate that

[ancient crystal]

yeah they did

pyra is like hitomi or hikari or one of those

[lone pond]

hikari is mythra

[ancient crystal]

oh

[lone pond]

homura is pyra

[ancient crystal]

that's right

[lone pond]

morag is meleph

[summer peak]

at least the localization is better than tokyo mirage sessions

white body paint

[ancient crystal]

that's coming to switch lmao

[lone pond]

I'm not buying that game

because fk censorship

[summer peak]

the censorship is so stupid too

it hurts my brain

[ancient crystal]

like january

[summer peak]

what's worse is the jp version of the switch port is based on the NA censored version too

[lone pond]

they will know when it fails again because they are targeting a specific niche usergroups

[summer peak]

so even in Japan they get censored

[ancient crystal]

lol

[lone pond]

and censor

[ancient crystal]

nintendo is usually good about censorship on switch

[lone pond]

weebs hate censorship more than anything

[ancient crystal]

they've allowed a lot of stuff

[summer peak]

confirmed, am weeb, hate censorship

[lone pond]

morals of the story is

don't censor

it only hurts

[ancient crystal]

i'm sort of what they might call a weeb

but i also don't play tiddy games and things like that

[spare relic]

Ha weebs

Says a weeb

[lone pond]

they waste time and resources so that there are less ppl buying the game

it doens't make sense

any sense whatsoever

[summer peak]

I'm gay so it ain't about the fanservice for me, censorship is just bad

I'll always be against it

[lone pond]

ps4 pushed me away with censorship on their platform

[summer peak]

yep

thankfully they didn't really censor xb2

[ancient crystal]

i'm gay so a little fanservice is okay but most of it is irrelevant

we're polar opposite gays

[lone pond]

they are doing it for the minorities

they have no ideas what gay ppl even want

I bet most gay ppl hate the gillette commercial also

[ancient crystal]

that isn't even about gay people

that commercial was about a father and his trans son

[summer peak]

Let me put it this way

when I see a gay character 99% of the time I roll my eyes and get frustrated because it's just there to make a political statement rather than tell an interesting story

[lone pond]

^

[summer peak]

cough

blizzard

cough

[lone pond]

I bet most females are gonna hate the new bonds movie

it's just the way it is

trying so hard to push something usually turn ppl off

[summer peak]

soldiers 76 sure is gay wow guys he's gay amazing clapclapclap

?????

Idk pisses me off

[lone pond]

hmmm so there are gonna be droughts

for the switch

[summer peak]

like why the hell does it matter to begin with, how does that effect anything whether he is or isn't, why even mention it

[lone pond]

because I'm not seeing any games

[summer peak]

ugh

[lone pond]

for january > july

ps4 has it covered tho

[ancient crystal]

i'm also trans and literally any representation is a god damn miracle

[lone pond]

I have nothing against trans ppl

[summer peak]

Can't speak to how you feel about stuff like that, I'm just talking about how I feel when I see people like me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you're entitled to be happy about it

[lone pond]

but I hate it when they push it for no reason

[molten grotto]

Oh, are we talking about representation?

I must have missed a very interesting conversation

[lone pond]

nah we are not

let's move along

[ancient crystal]

i actually was

you're not the boss of me

[molten grotto]

lol

[lone pond]

the topic was

[molten grotto]

I personally like all sorts of representation!

[lone pond]

politics suck when pushed with an agenda onto a "gaming" console

which has no place for politics

[summer peak]

As a gay man I just feel like it's dumb to make a character gay unless it serves some purpose, but again, that's just my opinion

[molten grotto]

I don't think representation is political.

[summer peak]

people are free to think whatever they like

[lone pond]

but sony finds the needs to censor stuffs because???

[ancient crystal]

representation is not political

[lone pond]

it has nothing to do with representation

[ancient crystal]

sorry they censored your tits

[summer peak]

it kind of is when they're doing it to make a political statement

yes

[lone pond]

it has more to do with " they censor stuffs because ?? "

[summer peak]

like representation for the sake of having a gay/trans/whatever character is political

soldier 76 is a purely political move

[lone pond]

ellie in TLOU2 is gay

and she's a strong woman

that's cringe

[ancient crystal]

she's also gay in TLOU, even though she's like 14

[lone pond]

gottap lay the actual game to judge

[molten grotto]

@summer peak I think Soldier 76 was just an old mans idea of how representation works.

[summer peak]

ellie is a good example of a gay cahracter imo

[lone pond]

but based on the trailer it kills the soul out of me

[summer peak]

at least in the original game

I know nothing about tlou2

the hints are there from the start though

[ancient crystal]

she's gotta be a weak woman or it's political

[lone pond]

a strong woman doesn't have to do

the same stuffs a man would do

[summer peak]

if it serves the narrative or some other purpose it's great

if it doesn't...

[lone pond]

or she needs to be masculine

[molten grotto]

There's like, two types or representation, right? Old man representation and actual representation. And I think Ellie's firmly in the actual representation camp

[ancient crystal]

electronic old men?

[molten grotto]

lol

[lone pond]

but eveyr single "Strong" woman movies or games are all about girls kicking ass, talking like a man, get pussies like a man

[ancient crystal]

ruling the world?

[lone pond]

and take a man's job

[summer peak]

What's wrong with that if people want that?

It's not for you, that's fine

[lone pond]

I like ellie as a character

[ancient crystal]

because man need to lift heavy stuff

[lone pond]

I hate TLOU2 trailer tho

[molten grotto]

Okay I'm like super duper femme but women acting masculine definitely isn't a bad thing.

[lone pond]

they are trying to push the gay thing so hard they had to put it into a trailer for purely shock values

it doesn't represent anything

is my point

[summer peak]

I haven't seen it so I don't know for sure what you mean

but

[ancient crystal]

do you think anyone was shocked

[inland cave]

Can I CROSSFIRE 2 rx570s?

[summer peak]

that sounds bad

[ancient crystal]

you can do it

[lone pond]

yes

[summer peak]

@inland cave yers

[ancient crystal]

but the question is... should you

[lone pond]

do it

[summer peak]

crossfire is kind of dead

[lone pond]

I used to do it and I regretted it

every second

[summer peak]

SLI and crossfire aren't really supported anymore

[inland cave]

Just curious, since my friend and I have the same bad card

[summer peak]

rx 570 isn't bad

it's still a really solid 1080p card

[inland cave]

It is when we try to hit 1440p

[summer peak]

well yeah

[ancient crystal]

also it's a quarter of 5 where i live

i should probably sleep

[summer peak]

it's 6 am where I am

[inland cave]

7

[lone pond]

7:16

[fallen schooner]

7am here 😄

[summer peak]

[lone pond]

how many of you live on

the east coast

[ancient crystal]

you're all fun and all but if i don't sleep now i'm gonna hate myself

[fallen schooner]

eastcoast fam.

[inland cave]

Why did SLI and CROSSFIRE ever exist if they don't benefit the user at all?

[molten grotto]

I'm all the way from Finland~

[lone pond]

they do benefit

in some games

and applications

but coders are too lazy to implement

[ancient crystal]

I live in Montana

[lone pond]

it's cold there now

how are you not asleep

[fallen schooner]

beautiful state

[ancient crystal]

also LookieBoop your english is impeccable for a finn

[lone pond]

MT and UTAH is at the top of the list of where I want to live

[ancient crystal]

don't take that as an offense

finnish and english are very different

so it's hard for either side to learn the other

[lone pond]

if my English stinks it's because I wasn't originally from the USA

so don't mind me

[ancient crystal]

your english is fine

[fallen schooner]

I was born here, and my english sucks :p

[molten grotto]

@ancient crystal Thank you.

[lone pond]

unlike other commies I don't bring my commies values with me to the USA

[ancient crystal]

i can't imagine trying to learn finnish

[molten grotto]

I honestly think my English is this good only because I've played so many games.

[lone pond]

games help

for sure

[molten grotto]

Like imagine if there were as many good games in Swedish, I might have actually learned the language when I was younger.

[lone pond]

I bet you have a problem actually speaking English in a real conversation

x.x happened to me

still happening but least I'm getting better

[molten grotto]

My shotcalling in OW is a mix of screams and stuttering, I admit.

But in a basic conversation I think I do fine?

[ancient crystal]

i know a moderate amount of japanese (spoken) because i am a weeblord but ask me to speak it and i'm going to fail

[lone pond]

should be fine

they don't teach Japanese anywhere near me

or I would go learn it

cool language

[molten grotto]

@ancient crystal Oh god you just reminded me of my weeb phase

[inland cave]

Anyone know if you can control the RGB on the ring around the stock cooler for Ryzen chipsets?

[molten grotto]

@ancient crystal I wanted to be so goddamn kawaii desu desu ne

[lone pond]

I can sing japanese tho

so that's a plus

[ancient crystal]

最低だ。

[inland cave]

I think there were two RGB ports, but idk if one goes to the ring around the fan or not

[molten grotto]

Is the Ryzen stock cooler any good btw?

[ancient crystal]

which one

[fallen schooner]

wrathprism

[summer peak]

@molten grotto there's 3

they're okaay

[ancient crystal]

prism is good

[summer peak]

I use my stock cooler from the ryzen 5 2600 and I only ever really hit 75c

[fallen schooner]

it's beefy

[ancient crystal]

because it has the AMD clip

[molten grotto]

The one that comes with Ryzen 5 3600?

[summer peak]

it should be fine if you don't plan to OC/OC much

just let it boost itself

[lone pond]

any stock cooler is cool in my books

[ancient crystal]

that 2700X whoever tipped me off t oit

[lone pond]

so I don't have to spent for an aftermarket one

just to look swag

[ancient crystal]

pretty good

my case is totally enclosed

[lone pond]

my case is filthy

[ancient crystal]

no windows

dampening foam

[lone pond]

and the insides look like am ess because cable management is a pain

[ancient crystal]

yeah i suck at cable management

[molten grotto]

Boi my case only has one working fan and I bet it's gonna break within a few months.

I bought the case used. Regretted it ever since.

[lone pond]

I wish I'm one of the cleaner pc bois but

if it works it works

doesn't give any fk to how it looks

[summer peak]

my current case is broken and laying on its side with the side panel off

[ancient crystal]

that's why i opted for no window

because i suck at cable management

[molten grotto]

I'm gonna go all out with my next build. RGB lighting, fancy cables, pretty case!

And then I'll set it on the floor and forget it.

[lone pond]

get past that initial phase of newness

[ancient crystal]

i joke about getting one of those awful pink cases sometimes

[lone pond]

then I realized

cable management is a pain

[summer peak]

I still don't really get the appeal of rgb

[molten grotto]

@ancient crystal Oh my god there are pink cases

[summer peak]

rainbow vomit

[dreamy dragon]

AnniS#7280 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[ancient crystal]

so good luck

[lone pond]

because i have to take out a loose cable to plug into something

[ancient crystal]

okay i need to go to bed

i'm going to get banned

[molten grotto]

@summer peak Honest to god they're a waste of money, but man those RGB RAM sticks look so cool

[lone pond]

and I change so many components

[molten grotto]

@ancient crystal Aww, good night!

[lone pond]

I like pink cases

[ancient crystal]

good night

[lone pond]

bye

[ancient crystal]

morning rather

uehueheueh

[molten grotto]

Well then. Sleep tight?

[ancient crystal]

for 4.5 hours!

[molten grotto]

Wooo!

[ancient crystal]

😄

those emotes are too big now

[molten grotto]

Just enough sleep for a productive member of society

[ancient crystal]

me? productive?

[molten grotto]

I bet you are

[ancient crystal]

no, i'm disabled for multitude of reasons and i just sit on my ass because i have nothing better to do, i am definitely not productive

[remote sequoia]

Sooo how bout them graphics cards ;)

[ancient crystal]

they sure are graphics cards

[molten grotto]

Eyy, all good, everyone's a productive member of society as long as they make someone smile~

Oh they're very nice, graphics cards

[remote sequoia]

(passive aggressive backseat modding) lol

[molten grotto]

I especially like the RX 5700. Which I will buy. I bet. In a few months. For Cyberpunk!

[summer peak]

@ancient crystal go 👏 to 👏 bed 👏

[ancient crystal]

I need to stop dropping F-bombs or i'm going to get a server ban

RX 5600 will be neat

[molten grotto]

Typo

[ancient crystal]

oh

[molten grotto]

lol

[ancient crystal]

5600 is also coming

[summer peak]

@molten grotto the rx 5700 is great but consider the 5700xt instead

[fallen schooner]

you get like 10 infractions from the bot

[summer peak]

I kind of regret not just getting the xt

[fallen schooner]

before you get auto-kicked

😄

[remote sequoia]

I loved getting 3 games with my VII :3

[molten grotto]

@summer peak I've been checking out the PSU requirements and 5700 and 5700rx apparently have very similar requirements according to the Finnish sites.

[summer peak]

the xt needs a bit more but yeah

[remote sequoia]

$180 in games is a very nice reason to over pay slightly for a card

[abstract monolith]

I know it’s not a great deal since you should just get a 1660 or 1660ti but has anyone used the 1650 or 1650 super? And if so how does it run

[ancient crystal]

yes they are the same card, the XT just has more cores or whatever enabled and some faster clock speed

i use a 1650 for now

it's good for mainstream games

like not the super high demand ones

[summer peak]

go to bed @ancient crystal

[abstract monolith]

I have a 1050ti at the moment and I’m on a budget so It’s a fairly good deal for me

[ancient crystal]

don't look at me like that Visi

[summer peak]

sleeeep

[ancient crystal]

sleep is for the weak

i'm pretty weak though

i'm going to try to go to bed

and then maybe return if i can't

i'm having a devil of a time sleeping tonight

[molten grotto]

But bed is good.

[fallen schooner]

bed is life.

[molten grotto]

I'm currently in bed because I set my PC next to it

I've never regretted it

That said, anyone have any news on 5700xt driver issues? Because I'm not reading particularly good things from three months ago.

I want the least fiddly experience. I have no patience for BSODs

[remote sequoia]

I read the Radeon driver patch notes frequently

Those have been fixed

[molten grotto]

Phew~

Glad to hear

[summer peak]

@molten grotto I haven't had any issues since the first month with my rx 5700

[remote sequoia]

Only minor issues for 5700's still exist

[molten grotto]

I just don't want to end up regretting my choices

[remote sequoia]

Ever since I got my VII in February I've always read the driver patch notes :)

[molten grotto]

I originally went for 2060S because I was curious about raytracing, but then I heard that raytracing's not worth it and also the 2060S isn't the best for 1440p...

And everyone keeps raving about 5700xt

[remote sequoia]

Yea raytracing is overrated currently

[summer peak]

there are only a few games that use raytracing and none of them use it to any drastic degree

because it tanks performance

the 5700xt costs thee same as the 2060 super and performs like a 2070 super

so it's a really good choice

[molten grotto]

Yup!

[summer peak]

note: if you stream, consider getting an nvidia card

[remote sequoia]

It's cause the value of the 5700 xt beats out the other cards in the same tier

[summer peak]

nvenc is really nice to have

[maiden sun]

I have a Ryzen 5 2600 and a gtx 1050, what’s the bottleneck?

[summer peak]

the 1050

[molten grotto]

I mean 5700xt eats a bit more power, but I trust @summer peak

[summer peak]

ryzen 5 2600 is a pretty capable cpu

[remote sequoia]

1050 is a huge bottleneck

The 2600 can run almost any GPU you can get

[maiden sun]

Really? I thought it was the cpu

Should I get a rx 580?

[remote sequoia]

1050 is a pretty bad card

[molten grotto]

It used to be good though! I remember a few years back, everyone was telling me to buy that instead of the 1060

... no wait, that was the 1050ti I think.

[summer peak]

RX 580 is better than a 1050

by quite a bit

[remote sequoia]

Buy a 1050 ti over a 1060 3GB

That was the common suggestion

[summer peak]

1060 3gb is still better performance

either way the 580 makes more sense

cheaper, better performance

[remote sequoia]

1060 3GB was better performance asking as you didn't fill it's VRAM

[summer peak]

the 580 performs like 2 1050's, and is around 50% better than a 1050 ti

slightly better than a 1060 3gb too

[remote sequoia]

The 1050 ti performed better than the 1060 3GB in any game that would use more than 3GB Vram

[summer peak]

about on part with the 1060 6gb

and has 8gb of vram

so...

[remote sequoia]

The 1060 6GB was the true value card of it's gen

[summer peak]

...Did you ignore everything I just said?

[remote sequoia]

Yes, I did

[summer peak]

the 580 is cheaper and performs on par with the 1060 6gb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoLF7hW0QyE

[remote sequoia]

More VRam, but about a score of 8500, while the 1060 had about a score of 9000

On pass mark

[summer peak]

synthetic benchmarks aren't exactly always representative of real world performance

keep in mind

[remote sequoia]

Depending on what the prices were the price to performance would flip flop between them

[summer peak]

there are many real world cases in which the 580 outperforms the 1060 6gb

I don't know what to tell you other than don't rely on synthetic tests

they give you a good idea

but are not an accurate reflection of reality

[remote sequoia]

Though I do put a bit more stock in 3D Mark scores than passmark, it's just takes a lot more effort to get average stock results from it from a spesific setup

[frozen pebble]

guys check cooling page

channel'

[maiden sun]

[fallen schooner]

OH MY

[forest timber]

I mean a 580 works pretty dang well for vr

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone pond]

i have an msi 1050ti gaming x

i bought it for $80 on ebay

[livid girder]

[lone pond]

Okay

Are blower fans ok?

There is a vega 64 air boost for 309

[fallen schooner]

stay away from blower style

[lone pond]

Any reason

[summer peak]

They're okay for lower powered cards but something like a vega64 runs hot and won't get enough cooling from a blower

[lone pond]

Ah

[abstract monolith]

Can I get some inputs on a gtx 1650s

[vapid willow]

is rtx 2070 any good

[thin gyro]

RTX 2060 vs 1070ti (I use a 7600k rn)

[hard wren]

is it a 2060super otherwise they are about the same with slight edge for the 1070ti

[thin gyro]

Just a standard 2060

[hard wren]

1070ti is probably better than unless it costs more

[lone pond]

How cheap could I fully watercool a pc with a vega 64

[faint bluff]

@abstract monolith 1650 is a decent entry level card. Just don't expect higher than 1080p or the highest settings on modern AAA titles.

[abstract monolith]

I dont have one yet I’m just on a budget and looking for a decent card

[summer peak]

@abstract monolith the rx 5500/5500XT should come out soon, worth keeping an eye out

should be priced competitively with the 1650s

[lone pond]

Hello, I'm building my first pc right now and I'm feeling overwhelmed with so many different version of the same card? Up till now I've always played on ps4 and handhelds... Anyways I wanted to know how should I choose which version/brand I get

[summer peak]

@lone pond What's your budget?

[lone pond]

I have about 1000$ saved up

Already have a monitor

[summer peak]

For thee whole PC? Just a GPU?

[lone pond]

just gpu and cpu

[summer peak]

uh

If you need a cpu you probably need a new motherboard and stuff too

since not all cpus use the same socket

[lone pond]

oof

[summer peak]

What's your current PC like

[lone pond]

It's a cad pc my dad built me for college a while ago

[summer peak]

I can build you someething pretty powerful for 1000 if you want to just build a new PC

[lone pond]

Ok

[summer peak]

let me put a parts list together

give me five minutes

[lone pond]

Thanks!

Ram and memory should transfer right?

Already have 16 gigs and an ssd

[tender mulch]

DDR4 or 3?

[lone pond]

umm let me check

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz

[tender mulch]

That should transfer then

[lone pond]

pretty recent buy cause I was having trouble with some projects

[tender mulch]

But it might be worth an upgrade in speed

SSD will transfer for sure

[summer peak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FhLQPn @lone pond

assuming you have a case already

will run basically any game at 1440p no problem, will do VR no problem

[lone pond]

ty!

let me open the link

[summer peak]

you could save money by going with your current storage too

instead of getting the ssd

[tender mulch]

They have DDR4-3000 RN too

NOt the best but could save some there also

[summer peak]

you really want 3600mhz and that has good CAS latency

[tender mulch]

Yes, CL16 with Ryzen

But in a pinch it would work until they could upgrade

[summer peak]

well, they said they have 1000, so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender mulch]

Right

[lone pond]

@summer peak could you make a £750 build with keyboard and Mouse

[summer peak]

yes

do you have any particular needs

or know anything you want

[lone pond]

Is it hard to assemble it with no experience?

[tender mulch]

No

[lone pond]

Or can I just watch youtube vids and pull it off

[summer peak]

no, I can help you once you have the parts, or I'm sure anyone else here would be willing to too @lone pond

[lone pond]

Vr and 1080p max settings 60fps

thx!

[tender mulch]

Worst part will be the OS if you plan to reuse it

[summer peak]

@lone pond gimme five minutes

[lone pond]

@summer peak preferably amd gpu

I'm gonna start ordering the parts then, wont buy the ram and the ssd yet tho

thx guys!

Maybe I can still return the ram I bought

[tender mulch]

I will say to upgrade the RAM speed as soon as you can. It will make a difference with Ryzen

[summer peak]

@lone pond do you have a pc case or do you need one

or a hard drive, for example

[lone pond]

Case needed

[summer peak]

anything that can save you a buck or two here or there will help at that price range

[lone pond]

Don’t Have anything

[summer peak]

alright

[hard wren]

no just watch some youtube videos

[lone pond]

It has to be good enough in a few months when I by it

*buy

[summer peak]

is there any chance you can stretch to 800?

[lone pond]

Possibly

[summer peak]

It would give you a much better gpu

[lone pond]

I’ll have a job then

[summer peak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zctGPn

[lone pond]

So sure

[summer peak]

this is pretty close to my own rig, actually

so I can confirm it does VR really well

same processor and gpu

that's a mechanical keyboard too, so no worries there

[lone pond]

I’m tempted to go with a havit mechanical keyboard

My friend has one

It works really well

[summer peak]

looks like they're more pricey

[lone pond]

Depends

[summer peak]

I can personally attest to the quality of the redragon k552 for the price

It's heavy, really solid, has blue switches so it's nice and tactile

[ancient crystal]

redragon is good in general, the only thing about it is the lighting can get distracting

[summer peak]

But if you're on a budget there's not really any better option for a mechanical keyboard

[lone pond]

Would a 1660 ti work

For vr

[summer peak]

it would but it would be much worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsF4HbpRQi4

[lone pond]

I’m looking for a red and black build

[summer peak]

look at 1440p results in that video

You don't really have the budget to be hunting for aesthetics if you want high performance too

tbh

[lone pond]

Ah okey

[summer peak]

that's about the best you're going to do for your budget if you really want to do vr

if you just want to game at 1080 then you could bump it down to a 1660 pretty safely

but go for a 1660 super not a ti

almost the same performance and it's cheaper

[lone pond]

Ah

Will do

[ancient crystal]

does the Ti have GDDR6? i think the super does

[summer peak]

it does have gddr6

but the performance difference is under 5%

so

makes sense to just get the super and save some money

but honestly I highly recommend the rx 5700 if you want to do vr

that build is as minmaxxed as it can be

[lone pond]

Oh ok

Are there any CPUs that run the same as a 2600x

[hard wren]

2600?

[lone pond]

Where I live it’s really hard to get anything shipped here

I mean cheaper

[hard wren]

a 2600 should be cheaper than a 2600x

[lone pond]

Ah

Also

EVGA or pallit

[hard wren]

evga

[lone pond]

Ok

Pny?

[hard wren]

its ok but evga over pny

[drowsy shell]

will an i5 9600k bottleneck a 2070 super

[lone pond]

No

[hard wren]

nope

[drowsy shell]

Nice one 😄

[tender mulch]

Nah

[lone pond]

I’d go amd tho

[drowsy shell]

build sorteeeeddddd

Getting this graphics card Thoughts?

[tender mulch]

2070 super? What's your resolution?

[drowsy shell]

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-aorus-geforce-rtx-2070-super-8gb-gddr6-ray-tracing-graphics-card-2560-core-1905mhz-boost

1440p

[lone pond]

I’d go 2060 super

[drowsy shell]

upgrading to 8k soon ish

[lone pond]

To save money

[tender mulch]

FOr 1440P save the money and get a 5700XT. For 4K gaming, yes.

[drowsy shell]

4k*

which amd processor would you go for

[tender mulch]

I have a 3700x, so that one

[lone pond]

2700x is fine

[tender mulch]

But if you won't be streaming/lots of multitasking, go 2600 or 2700

[drowsy shell]

eh i5 will do

[ancient crystal]

i'd argue the 2700/X are competent, and cheap CPUs

for a variety of workloads

[tender mulch]

Oh, they are. But the 9600K is very comparable, especially if you already have a motherboard

[ancient crystal]

ah yes

if you have the motherboard

[lone pond]

Is this worth it

Or should I go with a 980ti for 215

[tender mulch]

Definitely NOT the 980ti

Way old hardware there

[lone pond]

What’s bad with it

[ancient crystal]

it's old

[lone pond]

My friend says his runs fine

[tender mulch]

FOr $200 get a 1660

[lone pond]

Would the top offer on the 1080 ti be worth it

[ancient crystal]

$230 can get a 1660 Super

1080 Ti is powerful but it's also old, and paying that much for what is by computer technology terms ancient is generally not a good idea

[tender mulch]

Well, compared to other $400 cards on the market, it is 25-30% faster

And it may be last gen technology but it's still certainly relevant and a good card

The only issue I have with the one posted is that it's used, so it's a gamble

[ancient crystal]

i can't say much, i'm getting an R7 2700X

and that's old

[tender mulch]

If it does what you want, doesn't really matter

[lone pond]

Are the r7 1700x any good

[tender mulch]

CPU?

[ancient crystal]

they are pretty good, but not as good as the equally inexpensive 2700X

[lone pond]

Yeh

[tender mulch]

Equivalent to the 2600, roughly.

[lone pond]

How much would I have to pay for a water cooled pc

On a budget

[summer peak]

watercooling isn't really necessary at all

[tender mulch]

On a budget, air cool is king

[lone pond]

I mean like

[summer peak]

even not on a budget, air cooling can hold its own against water cooling

I mean, water cooling is just roundabout air cooling anyway

[lone pond]

I can go into 1.2 k

[summer peak]

you're just cooling the water through a radiator

[lone pond]

It’ll just take longer

[summer peak]

get a 3600 and rx 5700xt then

[ancient crystal]

water cooling is for nerds with a lot of money basically, and also you must invest in good parts and know what you are doing

[summer peak]

I can give you a build with the best performance for any price point

water cooling isn't something you should be worried about imo

or looks

focus on performance first

[lone pond]

I’m putting 80% into power 20 into looks

[summer peak]

that's... not really how that works

if you pursue a specific look you're going to pay a lot more to get everything matching that look

[lone pond]

I mean I want to focus more on performance

[summer peak]

it can easily double your cost

[ancient crystal]

looks are irrelevant in the end, the computer is just going to go under your desk in the end

[summer peak]

but give me a moment and I'll see what I can do if you want to go to 1.2k and make it not look like a mishmash

what colors do you like

[ancient crystal]

unless you're one of those people who has space for a huge desk to put your PC on top of it

[lone pond]

I’m thinking, using a 2060 super

I have a small desk

[summer peak]

rx 5700 is the same as the 2060 super for way less money

this is why I recommended it

why do you want a 2060 super specifically

does it have a feature you need?

[lone pond]

Ray tracing

[summer peak]

What are you going to play that uses ray tracing?

[lone pond]

So maybe a 2070 super

It really depends

On what’s out

[ancient crystal]

ray tracing on a 2060 Super, you're gonna have a bad time

[summer peak]

Most games with raytracing don't look substantially better than running them without ray tracing

[tender mulch]

Eh, Ray Tracing is a gimmick for now

[summer peak]

this is because to get any sort of substantial lighting effects etc with ray tracing you're going to have a bad time even on a 2080ti

[tender mulch]

Give it a couple years to mature

[summer peak]

it can easily halve the peprformance, or worse

[ancient crystal]

by the time ray tracing matures it'll work on AMD cards just as well anyway

[tender mulch]

I was gonna say with regard to PC under desk........

[summer peak]

You're really shooting yourself in the foot by getting an nvidia card at that price point

@lone pond what colors do you like

[ancient crystal]

Bekora that's a pretty unique setup

[spare relic]

Just treat that computer well and it won’t jump

[lone pond]

I like red and black green and black

Kinda like blue and white

[summer peak]

@lone pond https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GXKrvW

[lone pond]

The pc should include windows

[summer peak]

you can get a windows key for like 5-10 dollars on ebay

it may or may not be legal

but they are legitimate keys

[lone pond]

Wouldn’t I need more fans

[summer peak]

add in more fans then

I don't know what to tell you

[lone pond]

You’re the expert

[summer peak]

you come in here asking for a PC on a tight budget, then say you don't want it, then say you want to spend more, then say you want to waste money on a feature that you'd barely get any use on

like either ask us for help or get what you want

[tender mulch]

Nah, use the watercooler as intake, and the included fan as exhaust

[lone pond]

Okay thanks

@summer peak I’m sorry I’m not the best when it comes to social situations I don’t intend to be stupid

[summer peak]

It's just frustrating because you say you need a PC in a certain budget, and then I give you the best PC you can get in that tight budget. Then you tell me you're going to spend more, and then you say you want looks, but you're also talking about wasting 100 dollars on a gpu instead of getting one with the same performance for 100 dollars less

and like

????

if you want help, I'll help, but if you want to put together a build on your own, go research

[lone pond]

Yeah I don’t mean to be frustrating as I said I really do appreciate your help though

[lean crystal]

Yo you forgot storage lol

[spare relic]

Just use an abacus

[lean crystal]

a $450 gpu?

i guess mine was $400

[maiden terrace]

Can u overclock the Rx 580

[summer peak]

yes

[wicked hound]

@summer peak @leon carre#5414 Seasonic Focus Gold is a bad PSU. Not that great in voltage ripple

[summer peak]

You're gonna have to back that one up chief.

[nocturne dagger]

Seasonic has good psus lol

[summer peak]

Seasonic is great and the focus series is one of the best.

If you can provide data, I'll believe you -- I'm not a fanboy.

But all of the data I've seen says that it's one of the best.

[nocturne dagger]

@summer peak same I will love to see this. Considering seasonic makes other brands of PSU as well

[wicked hound]

@summer peak @nocturne dagger https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1093286-why-you-shouldnt-buy-a-seasonic-focus-plus-goldplatinum/?tab=comments#comment-12821954

Seasonic is overrated in low and mid tier PSUs

[summer peak]

They had an issue. It was fixed in later revisions of the same model.

The post even says this.

[wicked hound]

Only their high end ones are decent. Also look, they didn't fix it

They made a fix that didn't really work

[nocturne dagger]

I've never heard of this until now. But yet YouTubers still put them in builds with 2080tis and don't have issues. And that's with older psus beyond that date. Bad patch

[summer peak]

I'm gonna have a hard time believing that without them saying the testing methodology.

[wicked hound]

Check legitimate PSU reviews done by people who know more about PSUs

Rather than YouTubers who just look at it and be like "hey it's good cuz it's Seasonic"

[summer peak]

I never said anything about youtube, to be clear. I'd like to know how they got these numbers.

[wicked hound]

PSU tester, based on real PSU reviews

[summer peak]

That's hardly more reputable than saying "youtube reviews"

What methodology did they use to test this

the sources listed at the top of the thread only really talk about the issue prior to the fix.

[nocturne dagger]

Doesn't seasonic make corsair psus?

[versed falcon]

?

[wicked hound]

Such as this
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-ssr-750fx-focus-plus-750-gold-psu,5206-4.html

[versed falcon]

I think so

I’m no good with PSU’S

[wicked hound]

PSU reviewers do the test, and these other people compile the info of it to the list/thread

[summer peak]

But that review mentions none of the issues.

[nocturne dagger]

I mean if it's true it's true. Can't disagree with facts. I'm more of a evga, thermal take, and be quiet person for psus lol

[wicked hound]

This is one page out of 7

[summer peak]

I know.

[wicked hound]

This is also one reviewer out of many

I'd take trust in someone of I met online, talked to a fair bit, and knows much more about PSUs than I do (one of the mods managing the thread)

[summer peak]

idk man

I don't trust anyone that can't back something up.

[wicked hound]

Look more on the against side tho

This was also the 2017 model (or earlier)

2018 model had high ripple

[summer peak]

I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I can't find anything to back that up, and I'm looking. The only post I can find is the ltt forum thread you linked.

[wicked hound]

I wouldn't really trust something with much conflicting info going on about it. Not to mention once Bitfenix stops being out of stock I'd recommend them as they're probably the best for staying cheap and giving good units. Good amount of protections, decent ripple, multi rail design, etc.

[maiden sun]

I looked it up and my Ryzen 5 2600 and rx 580 only use like 334 watts

I’m confuesed.

[inland cave]

They must be weaker chips

Smaller GPUs and CPUs don't need as much power

[summer peak]

they are, yeah.

[lean crystal]

so now we have graphics card chat turned into psu and cpu chat

[frozen pebble]

Yo know when I buy a new Graphics card, does it need 2 8pin connectors for it to work also?

[cerulean rover]

depends on the card

[lean crystal]

if it is a big one yes

mine is a 6 pin

[cerulean rover]

some have 8, some 8+4, some 8+6, some 8+8

[frozen pebble]

@lean crystal what is your card