graphics-cards

[shut prism]

Got a question about GPUs, should I switch to mobo and memory chat?

[celest scaffold]

well it's a tiny mobo , i've seen worse layouts, but yea i see it can be a problem

[fallen schooner]

@shut prism you are in correct channel..

ask away

[raven ledge]

@hard wren my first motherboard was $50

It got the job done

[hard wren]

As long as it does its job who cares how cool it is lol

I was broke after buying the 2080ti and 8700k so everything else had to be on a budget 😉

[shut prism]

I am thinking of replacing my 1080ti, but the current gen cards really confuse me and the prices seem a bit high. Would you recommend waiting or are there possible deals?

[celest scaffold]

do not

[raven ledge]

The 1080 TI will out do most modern cards

[hard wren]

@shut prism unless you are going to get a 2080ti for $1000 just wait

[shut prism]

yea, that's what I thought, ok. I really don't get why people go crazy over these cards when last gen still beats most of them..

[raven ledge]

Agreed

[hard wren]

nothing wrong with a 1080ti

[raven ledge]

I just want an RTX 2060 for ray traced Minecraft whenever it releases

[hard wren]

I would wait on that too

[raven ledge]

Yeah

I’m probably going to get a 1080 or 1070

[hard wren]

before long all cards will do ray tracing or AMDs head will explode

[raven ledge]

Depending on budget

[shut prism]

It has pretty beefy cooling so I think reliability won't be an issue for a while and I got that used for dirt cheap, so a new card would have to be kind of reeeeaaally impressive for me to invest

[raven ledge]

AMD needs to work on their cards imo

The CPUs are good but the cards need work

[hard wren]

they just arent making top tier cards

[celest scaffold]

they dont mak 1070 or 1080 anymore, 2060 supers are ok

[peak pasture]

Don't think of it that way, think of AMD spent less development on cards to slay the CPU market. Now they've done that, they're pretty much good for moving onto GPUs. At least it gives them quite a good time window

[celest scaffold]

2080ti too expensive to replace 1080ti you will not gain much

[shut prism]

ok

[peak pasture]

You gain a LOT from 2080TI from 1080TI, but arguably 1080Ti is close enough to something like the 2070S its worth getting 1080ti just for the price at that performance.

[hard wren]

havnet really slayed the CPU market IMO if they put out another CPU with even more cores without boosting that base core clock I cant say I will ever buy one

[shut prism]

But at what cost, Nomad 😄 I spent 450 on the 1080ti

[celest scaffold]

PlusNomad u'll pay like double but gain 30 % at best

[hard wren]

I am only looking from a gamers perspective though the new AMD cpus are amazing for workstations

[shut prism]

+1

[celest scaffold]

i still sell mostly intel cpu's

[peak pasture]

4.7ghz "turbo" (AMD perfecto terminology ofc) is pretty solid for gaming. Both the 3900x and 9900K have the same base clock

[celest scaffold]

but im in europe

[hard wren]

yeah but my 8700k can oc to 5.3 stable on all cores and for gaming.... thats where its at

[celest scaffold]

everyone still wants intel here

[peak pasture]

Wait never mind, was thinking of 3950K, 3900 has a much higher base clock. 3950k's OC ability is easy 5+ IIRC

[celest scaffold]

demand creates offer...

[shut prism]

If you just don't have applications that can make use of 8+ cores, than intels lineup is probably still better imo

[raven ledge]

I hate intels software support, before I had a custom pc I had a dell Inspiron 3886 and that things I3 was so bad

The UI is terrible for the software as well

[peak pasture]

Having multiple things open makes use of more than 8 cores quite easily. Things like running a game + streaming + various background processes definitely benefits on more than 8 cores for sure.

[celest scaffold]

what is this intel software support you speak off 🙂

[raven ledge]

I’m currently running an R7 2700x

Lmao

True

[hard wren]

@peak pasture GamersNexus got the 3950x to 5.2ghz on liquid nitrogen....

[celest scaffold]

if dell made it dell supports it

PlusNomad what are the games that use more than 4-6 cores tho?

idk any, i play red dead 2 im like on 13 % cpu use on an i9

[peak pasture]

Modern games are for peasants. Im spending £2k on a PC to play Age of Empires 2.

[shut prism]

But for everybody who is not a contant creator or streamer (no stream app or other screen recording), I don't think they will profit from those cores

[peak pasture]

Well yeah, GPU based games, CPU on average is just futureproofing/helpful. And I frequently without really running anything intense make use of more cores just with general applications.

[hard wren]

@peak pasture cant believe they got me to buy age of empires 2 for the third time....

[celest scaffold]

deus ex

here i mentioned it

[peak pasture]

I retired from AoE2 just before DE2s release, was on the beta for months

I didn't aspire to be better than 2k voobly and voobly staff anyhow.

[hard wren]

its fun cant wait for AoE4 trailer looks amazing

[peak pasture]

Looks okay, casual game though.

Aoe2 didnt really have much casual aspect. DE2 has no competitive aspect. So thats how you kill the community e-z

About 50% of pros couldnt pass the benchmark to play ranked multiplayer, it was hilarious

[hard wren]

balancing issues are rampant at the moment

[peak pasture]

Runs on one single core. Doesnt really use GPU even for the 4k graphics, no multicore support. Literally runs on one CPU core.

[hard wren]

its got nostalgia points for me used to play it at lan parties when it first came out

[peak pasture]

My manager at Voobly showed me some convos with him and Will at microsoft, from what we could figure out, Forgotten Empires had other teams to work on the game with them, but they all essentially didnt want to work with FE after some time and left them to finish it themselves. And they've never made a game before, hence why they used the 1999 game as a base and heavily modded it

The AI sucks as well. Spent the beta 1v3ing it on extreme for casual practice, you can play Arena with saracens now and beat it 1v4 because the xbows shred walls and buildings so hard

[hard wren]

lol yeah the AI is terrible. A buddy was telling me how great they were and how they learned from top players. I had no trouble beating 3 cpus on extreme either

[peak pasture]

I think Microsoft locking things down was probably the reason all sucked? Like Scripter for SURE would have come to an agreement to let them use UP1.5 as a base which saves them enough time to implement multicore support and GPU support, and I reckon Max would have given them barbie for free.

From what I can tell DE2 has much less AI scripting commands than 1.5

[hard wren]

I will say that when we played one together my buddy was getting destroyed by the AI but hes not very good lol. He was like they are kiting me! And was like why are you letting an AI player kite you???

[celest scaffold]

guys theres gaming channel thingy

[hard wren]

yeah sorry got off an a tangent love me some old school games

lets talk smack about the 5700xt

[celest scaffold]

id have to look it up xD

[hard wren]

it just wishes it was a 2070

[celest scaffold]

does it even have drivers

[peak pasture]

5700 XT isnt bad per se, its just not quite good enough for certain milestones. Like Im going for 2080S for 144hz, I think 5700XT wont give me close enough on many games Id notice it

[hard wren]

its pretty close to the 2070 and a little cheaper i think

I was excited about it until I saw the reviews...

but then Nvidia not liking its 3rd tier card getting beat came out with the 2070S and killed the 5700XT

speaking of which who else is just waiting for Nvidia to put out a 2080ti Super and make their previous $1500 purchase seem like a waste?

[celest scaffold]

well it lasted a year

abit longer

so its ok

it's expected

if u buy it now tho

[hard wren]

I just like to be on top as long as I can but yeah since its christmas now if they released a super 2080ti I would buy one lol

[celest scaffold]

i dont think i'd update on every generation

but im lazy

[hard wren]

I skip a few here and there

I never had a 580 or 680

480 space heater lasted a long time for me

[celest scaffold]

i jumped from havein a laptop from 2010 to i9 2080ti and nvme ssd , felt like a good upgrade xD

[hard wren]

lol I bet

I also keep all of them kind of like collecting stamps

[celest scaffold]

i'd wait for intel to jump their architecture to 7nm or something

[hard wren]

my oldest is a voodoo2 that my parents bought for me lol

[buoyant basin]

Nothing can beat my parent's GTS8800

Packard Bell MasterRace.

[wicked vine]

@buoyant basin I fried one of those trying to run crysis on ultra..

[buoyant basin]

XDDDDD

My parent's PC is from 2007.

[celest scaffold]

GTS 8800 was a nice card

[wicked vine]

That was my 2007 build lol

Q6600 cpu ftw

8800gt

[celest scaffold]

that was pretty cool

[wicked vine]

🤣

That's awesome

[modern crane]

What's everyone's opinion on the sapphire nitro+ radeon rx 5700 xt 100416nt+8gsr 8gb 256-bit gddr6 pci express 4.0 x16 atx video card???

[lean crystal]

the top looks cool but the bottom is boring

[hard wren]

it wishes it was a 2070 super?

[edgy bloom]

does anyone know a good gpu that only takes up one slot? i currently have a gt 710 2gb hddr3

[hard wren]

how good? I mean you can get a 2080 super in a 1 slot configuration for like $800

what are you trying to spend

[buoyant basin]

XD

[hard wren]

apparently zotac actually makes a single slot water cooled 2080ti so the skys the limit

[buoyant basin]

Carpe Diem.

[craggy junco]

i am a GTX 1080

[lone pond]

ah yes

the 3 genders

male

female

and GTX 1080

[fallen schooner]

I identify as a box ... sooooo...

[vernal needle]

I identify as an Attack Helicopter :P

[fallen schooner]

CHOPPER!

[lone pond]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-happy-smile-gif-4773379

[neon cave]

is this the right place for help me decide about a new GPU ?

[median pagoda]

Yes

[neon cave]

cool, so I've just wonder to buy a new GPU, the 2 type is RTX2070super and the AMD RX 5700xt (custom card not the reference with a blower)

there is about 100$ difference and that's doesn't matter, I'm just curious about the AMD, my previous one was an Gigagbyte R9 390 Sapphire Nitro after 3 year its just stopped working

[digital heath]

I heard that amd might have heat issues under heavy load in some models

[neon cave]

yea that's true and I'm curious about to buy that 😄

but yea the balance points towards to NVIDIA, because the AMD can be powerful if the heat is more than 10C° than the NVIDIA

[next whale]

Oof

[neon cave]

read about these 2 cards and a lot of company made a compare post about this 2 cards, so i really can't decide what to buy..

[next whale]

I like the new RX5700 XT

In fact,I'm using a power color version.

[neon cave]

that one is the 2 fans right?

or the blower one?

[next whale]

Yea, it's dual.

Who wants a blower pfft

[neon cave]

😄 😄

[next whale]

It sucks and blow and the same time -kyle

[neon cave]

somebody who can't wait for the other custom build cards 😄

[next whale]

Yeet

[neon cave]

And what's your experience?

[lone pond]

Has anyone been having a problem with their nvidia cards underperforming since the lsat driver update ??

@ me if u have an opinion plz

[loud tartan]

i cant afford a graphics card

[lone pond]

How much of a difference? What benchmark / performance metric?

[loud tartan]

i get 2 fps in minesweeper with the glorious intel intergrated grsphics

on my core 2 duo

[upper ridge]

5700XT is great bang for the buck, and performs pretty well... But I have a couple friends who have a lot of driver issues with older games.

[loud tartan]

oof

i wanna get 5700xt as im trolling and i have a rx580

[upper ridge]

I have an rx480 8G.. gonna get a 2060Super. I think that's a decent price range to change to.

[loud tartan]

rx 5700xt

[meager lichen]

i got a gtx 1660 IDk is its good

[upper ridge]

1660ti is all you really need for great 1080p gaming

[meager lichen]

thankis

[upper ridge]

1660 is only a little underneath it, so yes you have a good gpu

[meager lichen]

i got a ryzan 5

[shut marsh]

What would you guys recommend for 1440p 120hz ? Without affecting graphic quality ? Atleast in most games

[sharp aurora]

2080 ti no less

[midnight crown]

Prolly 2070 super

[shut marsh]

What about 1080p 144hz

[sharp aurora]

2080 ti no less

[midnight crown]

Thats mostly 2060 super

But of course it depends on game

[dense flicker]

i have a 1070 and can run 1080p 144hz on medium settings

for apex

[upper ridge]

1660ti minimum 2060super max for 1080p @144hz

[midnight crown]

Apex is not a really hard game to run though

[gray vapor]

Zack you can go a lot higher than medium

[wintry hare]

I have Ryzen 5 2600X 4.2GHz OC
and an OC GTX 1660 MSI GAMING X with 16GB Ram with 3200MHz and an ASUS ROG B450-F mobo

[upper ridge]

2060super can handle 1440p.. but should really delve into 2070 range if you want longevity.

[subtle tiger]

2070 a good card for running demanding games?

[upper ridge]

of course it is

[shut marsh]

So do u think a 2070 would do 1080p 140hz in let's say destiny 2 and forhonor

[gray vapor]

@dense flicker If i can get between 80 and 90 fps maxed with a 1660 i am pretty sure you can get over 100 with a 1070

[upper ridge]

it's right up there with the 1080ti in most cases

[dense flicker]

i am trying to get 144fps constantly, not 100.

therefore medium

[upper ridge]

2070 is overkill for D2 1080p

[subtle tiger]

Damn

[gray vapor]

You can still get it on high lol

[shut marsh]

... idk would love a 2080 to but that's pretty expensive lol

[upper ridge]

I still have my Rx480 Rog Strix, and I have the settings on high and 144hz... getting about 106 fps on average in D2

[dense flicker]

ok ecks

ill test it later

[upper ridge]

never drops below 60

[subtle tiger]

Anybody play Escape from Tarkov on high settings?

[shut marsh]

Wow ... I get like 70fps with a rx580 on Max quality in destiny ... Idk how ur getting 106 @upper ridge

[upper ridge]

I have the settings on High, not ultra

[shut marsh]

Oh lol I see

[upper ridge]

Hardly a difference, and the performance is more consistent, one tier lower

[shut marsh]

What's the lowest end gc that would do 720p 144hz

[upper ridge]

720p? o.o

[shut marsh]

Yea

[upper ridge]

errr

[lone pond]

but why

[upper ridge]

LOL ^

[shut marsh]

Not expensive hardware lol

[dense flicker]

id take 1080p 60 over 720p 144

[upper ridge]

I didn't even know that 720p displays were still mentioned in any conversation, outside of mobile

[lone pond]

you can go and get old hardware that will run fine at 720 but tbh

for the same amount of money you can get new hardware that will play better at 1080

newer

not necessarily brand new

[shut marsh]

Idk I'm at 1080p 60hz but I want something better but yea ... I have a rx580 and ryzen 5 2600x

[lone pond]

lol that will destroy 720 and be plenty fine for most things at 1080

[shut marsh]

Yea I want 1440p 120hz but that's starts getting expensive

[upper ridge]

ye

[oblique pendant]

Any recommendations for a new graphics card? I currently have a 1050ti paired with a r5 2600

[upper ridge]

that's 2060super/2070super range

depends on what you wanna run, bell

[gray vapor]

120hz for 1440p as well is usually ultra wides

[upper ridge]

and what's your monitor situation

[oblique pendant]

144hz

COD MW, r6s, csgo, gtav

[gray vapor]

@oblique pendant You can go for a 1650 Super it would be a really big upgrade

[shut marsh]

Is 4k 144hz a thing yet ?

[upper ridge]

yeah

but not many games support it

[shut marsh]

Lol that's gotta be like 2080ti in sli right ?

[gray vapor]

4K 144hz good luck buying it https://www.newegg.com/acer-um-hx3aa-p01-27-uhd/p/N82E16824011246

[oblique pendant]

mmmh. anything? cus I have 400 dollars to spend @gray vapor

[gray vapor]

You can go for a 1660 Ti or a 2060 Super

[shut marsh]

Wow now that's a moniter

[gray vapor]

Also SLI is very pointless since most games doesn't support it

[oblique pendant]

I'll go for the 2060 super, thanks Ecks!

[shut marsh]

I just figure 1 2080ti wouldn't do it

[gray vapor]

The only time it would be useful if you are trying to go for the high score on 3DMark

[lone pond]

Many users enjoy 2080 ti/Titan RTX SLI, but not many comprared to single GPU .

[shut marsh]

Where would someone buy a GTX 1080 ti online

[dense flicker]

newegg

[shut marsh]

New it's nearly 2080 pricing tho ... What about in the 4-500 $ range

[dense flicker]

ebay

[lone pond]

newegg_ebay 🙂 but really ebay, or sometimes vendors like EVGA's b-stock sales on their online store.

[shut marsh]

What's b-stock ?

[rapid verge]

hey

what gpu setup should i pair with my ryzen threadripper 3970X

like is there anyway i can utilize a 4 gpu setup?

[terse night]

How much are you looking to spend?

[rapid verge]

no limit

trying to spend from $?-$20,000

[terse night]

For gaming or rendering?

[rapid verge]

both

i do game coding/testing, game rendering, video editing, photo editing, and other cpu/gpu intensive things

why is my name richard?

what

[terse night]

I've never done any multi-GPU setups, but I'd say go for Radeon VII or RTX 2080.

[fallen schooner]

#rules

[rapid verge]

i didnt see anything in #rules

[fallen schooner]

▶️ 2. We welcome members of all ages, so try to keep discussions at a PG-13 level and avoid swearing. If your username or status is NSFW, it may be changed or you may be kicked/banned.

[rapid verge]

oh my bad, im sorry i forgot about it

[fallen schooner]

it's all good

do you have another username pref?

[rapid verge]

i wanna keep the username, can i just use richard as a nick?

[dense flicker]

im the one who changed it lol

[rapid verge]

if i have to change it i will

[dense flicker]

yeah box meant nickname

[rapid verge]

oh my nickname, just make it Ross

[dense flicker]

got it

thanks

[rapid verge]

on to what i was asking, what gpu setup should i pair with my ryzen threadripper 3970X
like is there anyway i can utilize a 4 gpu setup?

[terse night]

I'd say Radeon VII or RTX 2080/2080 Ti.

[fallen schooner]

@lone pond would be the man to answer that question

[rapid verge]

What is best for efficiency, stable temps, and good for overclocking

im looking to water cool too

[lone pond]

Not an R VII , what's your use case?

[rapid verge]

I do game coding/testing, game rendering, video editing, photo editing, and other cpu/gpu intensive things

[lone pond]

Do you know if/which apps are GPU accelerated e.g. adobe suite products preferrign intel's CPU quicksync hardware acceleration or any of the many machinelearning/AI/etc GPU compute apps that utilize CUDA?

[crisp moth]

is the 2060 and ryzen 7 3700x a good pair?

[dense flicker]

yeah

[marsh kelp]

i got the xfx thicc 3 ultra and its hurge. i use a lego to make it so it doesn't sag

[crimson violet]

Would a 2600 and a 2070 go good together

[vast pivot]

i would reccomend third gen ryzen

For the 2070

[crimson violet]

Alright

[vast pivot]

If you already have the 2600 it should be fine but if your buying new 3rd gen

[crimson violet]

No it's existing

[vast pivot]

Then it should be fine

[crimson violet]

Would a better mobo be needed though

[vast pivot]

what mobo you have

[crimson violet]

I got a asrock a320

[vast pivot]

definitely

[crimson violet]

Mud or something like that

Mhd

Alright

[vast pivot]

a320 does not support 3rd gen

[crimson violet]

So a definite bgg upgrade should be considered

[vast pivot]

b450 or x470 is the lowest i'd go

[crimson violet]

Sorry for bad text I'm using on phone

Alright

[vast pivot]

but if you already have the 2600 go for 2070 then upgrade cpu later

[crimson violet]

Yeah I'm planning to play Apex csgo gta

Not the graphic intensive games

[vast pivot]

yea you should 100% be fine you might be missing out on like 10-5fps

also what resolution

1080 or 1440p

[crimson violet]

1080 144hz

[vast pivot]

yea that should be a great gaming experience

with some good future proofing

[crimson violet]

Alright thanks man appreciate it

[vast pivot]

Your welcome, have a nice evening/day/morning

[dense flicker]

thanks for helping out @vast pivot 😄

[compact bison]

something that can make me feel good around 400

144 fps on high or med on gta

[main locust]

what resolution

[compact bison]

1080p

[inner robin]

im planing on upgrading as well

but i know what i want

a GTX 1660 would do it

[outer juniper]

Looking to upgrade my graphics card on an older build. Specs: Sabertooth X79, Intel i7-4820K, 32gb DDR3, Radeon R9 390. Wondering what the highest GPU I could realistically shoot for with that hardware

[compact bison]

hmm

something near a 1070

[lone pond]

do ppl still make 1070 anymore?

[outer juniper]

yikes the 1070 is still pretty pricey on newegg. maybe an equivalent amd card?

[lone pond]

do you care about streaming?

[outer juniper]

nope

internet is to doo doo to stream lol

[lone pond]

You could go 580 8gb

also budget

Roughly a 2-250$ card

[outer juniper]

I was just looking at the rx 590s as well. I have a 8gb 390 right now

[lone pond]

4820k is still pretty nice

1660
TI?

also what games would you like to play at what resolution and frame rate?

an upgrade only matters when it achieves your specific target

[quartz gull]

Just buy a 2080ti duh

[frail lintel]

So i'm new to all of this and I was wondering. Is Display port the best choice?

[wicked hound]

depends on what you need it for

[quartz gull]

Depends on the monitor @frail lintel

[frail lintel]

well i can buy a new monitor

[lone pond]

depends on the monitor

[wicked hound]

DP vs HDMI, DP has higher bandwidth but is more finicky

[frail lintel]

just wanna know

[outer juniper]

mostly Destiny 2 at 1080p and my monitor is 144hz. I also just got a year of basic origin, so probably all the mass effect games. battlefield 4 and 5. the new halo games as they release on steam

[frail lintel]

oh ok

[quartz gull]

NVIDIA cards only support gsync through display port if you have an rtx or gtx card

[wicked hound]

Also DP is the only video port that supports freesync/gsync

[lone pond]

@outer juniper you would need a powerhorse for that

[frail lintel]

i guess i'll get a monitor with DP

[lone pond]

it's not about the port

it's about how they are implemented

[quartz gull]

I thought some amd cards and monitors support hdmi freesync?

[wicked hound]

no

freesync is DP only

[neon cave]

there will be a new type for HDMI too soon

[wicked hound]

^

[quartz gull]

AMD's website states: "Does Radeon™ FreeSync technology work over HDMI®?
Yes. In addition, the latest HDMI specification has adopted Variable Refresh Rate technology, and Radeon™ graphics will support that functionality as well."

[wicked hound]

HDMI 2.0 or 2.1 adds adaptive sync support

[outer juniper]

I mean im not trying to push 144hz honestly thats just what my monitor is, but a lot of times in destiny my fps even on mid settings will drop into the 40s in some areas. ideally 60-80fps no matter what on a bit higher settings

[lone pond]

DP is royalty free, freesync is baked in as of 1.2a, HDMI only needed if necessary. Just buy a VESA certified DP cable

[frail lintel]

so like what types of games i play? @lone pond

ok

[lone pond]

@outer juniper hmm as you are now I think you would find yourself better if you upgrade to a mid end tier card

instead of 1660 ti and friends

[frail lintel]

DP port monitor it is

[lone pond]

a poorly implemented dp port on a monitor still loses out on hdmi if that hdmi has a higher version

it all depends on the monitor

rtings.com is your friend

[outer juniper]

so like what would you have in mind? the 590s are like 200 bucks on newegg, thats not bad i could swing that

[frail lintel]

ok

[wicked hound]

1660S is a better buy than 590 tbh

[lone pond]

^ at that price range

yes

if your pockets only allow $200

That's a pretty rare edge case, but ya rtings is great, as is compatibility research.

then don't upgrade

save a little bit more

you will find yourself happier

[lavish tide]

Anyone know when the 1080ti will drop in price?

[outer juniper]

all the 1660s i saw were like 325ish :/

[wicked hound]

1660S is $230 USD

[lone pond]

for example you could always find deals on hardwares, anywhere

I got my 1080 ti for $400

and it's a beast

[wicked hound]

it's a pretty meh deal tho

[lavish tide]

I know.

[frail lintel]

What monitor do you recommend

[lavish tide]

I want to sli 1080tis

[wicked hound]

1080Ti should be like $340 or so

[grizzled arrow]

uhhhhh

[lone pond]

ugh ... no

[frail lintel]

i'm looking throught rtings

nvm

[lavish tide]

A Waterford 1080ti is like800

[wicked hound]

look at what used prices use to be like, percentage wise. Then look at them now

[grizzled arrow]

if it was 340, there'd be no point in buying anything new at all

[wicked hound]

used GPUs were at 70% MSRP

[lone pond]

^

[grizzled arrow]

they go for just under 500 used

[neon cave]

guys, if the conversation started, I didn't get the correct answer for my previous answer 😄 I would like to buy a new card, there's two option for me:
Rx5700XT (double, or triple fan instead of blower)
or
RTX2070 super

which would u like to recommend?

[outer juniper]

so saving for the 1660 would probably be my best bet with a 4820k?

[wicked hound]

a RX480 is $100 USD and a 580 is $180 USD, yet people still buy new 580s

[lone pond]

@neon cave 2070 super is th ebetter choice

you also got access to ghet sweet rtx encoding

[neon cave]

what about performance?

[mellow sable]

can a 4k 144hz display port cable run 1080p at 144hz as well?

[lavish tide]

You know the rtx GPU's are not using the rtx chips

[neon cave]

rx5700xt is some percent better, but the heat is also higher

[wicked hound]

a new 1080Ti has a theoretical price of $440 given the price of a 5700XT and 2070S and is $400 used

[grizzled arrow]

I thought that the 5700xt was trading with the 2070, but the super should beat it most of the time, right?

[lone pond]

yeah

I say go 2070 super

[wicked hound]

5700XT is inbetween the 2070 and 2070S

[neon cave]

@grizzled arrow yes, it's beat, but the 2070s is better in temperature control

[wicked hound]

not really. It's the same in temp control

[neon cave]

and sorry yes, it's between 2070 and 2070s (some stats better than 2070s but that's not necessary)

[wicked hound]

if not better cuz you can see more temps

the 2070 non S is just not a good deal compared to the 5700XT as the 5700XT beats it

[grizzled arrow]

"rx5700xt is some percent better, but the heat is also higher"

that seems opposite of what you're saying now

[maiden sun]

I want a 5700xt

Badly.

[grizzled arrow]

wait

I think I'm reading both wrong

[wicked hound]

5700XT uses like 20w - 30w more than 2070S, so a bit more heat but nothing much

[neon cave]

@grizzled arrow let me correct my sentence, u can earn more FPS in games with 5700xt but the temperature of the card can be eg.: 70C° while the 2070s under pressure produce 65C° if i'm correct

[lone pond]

Just avoid the notoriously hot cards, evoke with the silly memory TIM, blowers etc , reviews are ones friend

[grizzled arrow]

I prefer nvidia, but raw price/perf amd is pretty competent

[neon cave]

@wicked hound so that means u recommend the 5700xt?

[wicked hound]

yes, the only Nvidia cards that make sense right now are 1660S and technically the 2080Ti

everything else should be bought from AMD

[lone pond]

except whne you want to stream

AMD GPU stinks

[wicked hound]

then get a good CPU

[grizzled arrow]

@neon cave I thought that it traded with the 2070, and that the super beat it fairly consistently

[wicked hound]

3700x or something

[lone pond]

[maiden sun]

[neon cave]

@grizzled arrow nah, it's compared with 2070 super 🙂

[lone pond]

it will take a 3900x to beat out RTX encoding in a single cpu streaming setup

[neon cave]

@wicked hound I'll give a try with the 5700xt but I don't wanna get an AMD cpu.. 😄

[lone pond]

Sounds like one has more features for more $, other has raw fps equivalence.

[wicked hound]

no... NVENC is on par with fast encoding, not medium or hard

[neon cave]

I'll know it's hyped because it's really good.. but I don't know, gonna start to build a new PC soon

[outer juniper]

you can run an amd card with an intel cpu, i do. works just fine

[lone pond]

RTX NVENC has the same quality as medium x264

[wicked hound]

no, it's fast

[lone pond]

let's agree to disagree

[neon cave]

@outer juniper yes I know, got a 4th GEN intel, and I've broken my R9 390 1 month ago

[lone pond]

👌

[outer juniper]

same as me haha, except my 390s still kickin

[grizzled arrow]

@neon cave but it was compared to the 2070, cause the super wasn't out at the time. Then they price dropped to accommodate

[lone pond]

Single pc x264 cpu encoding can be problematic for many games. NVENC uses separate hardware encoder, and should incur only a negligible performance loss IF configured properly.

[neon cave]

@outer juniper good for u mine got black screen.. and can't resolved it yet 😄

[lone pond]

But if you want to single pc stream solitaire - doesn't matter what you pick.
Yet - good luck single pc streaming x264 med BF V 5700xt / 3700x

^

[neon cave]

@grizzled arrow yes, because when Nvidia dropped out the 2070super series then AMD dropped the XT for lower price

@lone pond thank you, I think i'm gonna pick the Rx 5700 xt

[lone pond]

x.x

pls

no

oh well

[grizzled arrow]

@neon cave were you talking price/perf then? I was talking straight perf, but I understand the value argument

[lone pond]

if you don't care about streaming it's not that bad

[maiden sun]

What gpu’s pair well with the 2600? I’m getting an rx 580 because their cheap but in the future if I were to have a bigger budget what should I get?

[lone pond]

in the future?

we can't predict the future

[neon cave]

@lone pond sounds good. Just wanna play sometimes with new games.. 😄

[lone pond]

What's wrong with that? If one doesn't stream, doesn't need CUDA support, prefers Radeon relive? vs GXP, it's on average a better deal.
The margins are small, I have no idea why it's such a common point of contention.

[grizzled arrow]

if you get a 580, get used. A used 1070 for ~$200 is what I have with my 2600

[lone pond]

I got a used rx 580 for $90

[maiden sun]

Yeah their 100$ it’s super cheap

[lone pond]

ebay used 580 <$100 is the way to go for budget. Even if you get a miner card, probably just fine, worst case, fans die, zip tie more on

[grizzled arrow]

I got a used 580 4gb (msi gaming x) for $96, and it was the cheapest one

[lone pond]

you need better craiglist deals

[grizzled arrow]

a 1060 6gb for ~$120-135 is also pretty sweet

[cobalt acorn]

Oh I have a 1050ti and its alright

[neon cave]

Thanks for everybody!

[outer juniper]

damn where can i find these $100 cards lol

[grizzled arrow]

I like nvidia features better personally

ebay

[lone pond]

if I remember correctly a 1050 ti doesn't even play pubg on 60?

[cobalt acorn]

Probably

[neon cave]

@lone pond yes 😄

[maiden sun]

I have a 1050

Non ti.

[lone pond]

PUBG got a lot more GPU friendly after some patch a year~ ago

[grizzled arrow]

1050 ti doesn't have very good used value, same with the 750 ti. Everyone bought up the numbers

[lone pond]

Except vikendi

[cobalt acorn]

Hey i play arma 3 and I get 60 FPS on medium some high

[maiden sun]

Why a 750 ti? That’s super weird.

[grizzled arrow]

cause they were good used cards, better than a gt 1030

[lone pond]

750 ti is sick

it helps alot of poor gamers

[cobalt acorn]

I don’t know I also have a laptop that is my gaming system so

[grizzled arrow]

I played through doom's campaign with an r3 2200g at 1080p low. avg of 30, sometimes 40, with 20 in intensive sections

[maiden sun]

Gt 1030 is the best card ever made.

Don’t talk crap about my baby

[lone pond]

1050 ti through 1080 ti have the same NVENC (pascal) encoder hardware chips, 1050 ti could make a nice cheapo encoder

[grizzled arrow]

low profile cards also have pitiful value these days, usually at or over msrp

1050 is bad used, 1030 has same pricing as always

[lone pond]

I wish I have an rtx card to stream

but then I'm stuck with a 1080 ti

and the only possible upgrade choice is an 2080 ti

[cobalt acorn]

I had a laptop that i used for gaming that was a netbook from 2015 that had a dual core amd 9600

[lone pond]

which is bad values

[grizzled arrow]

for what, the encoder?

[lone pond]

Pascal can stream fine, Turing sees a slight quality improvement. Both got performance updates Jan 2019

turing is a huge upgrade over pascal imo

my friend's stream is so much clearer x.x

than mine

only on the encoder part tho

[grizzled arrow]

my bottleneck is my internet

[lone pond]

I don't like RTX all that much

[cobalt acorn]

What I think the 2080 ( correct me if I’m wrong) was just a smidge better in performance than the 1080ti

[lone pond]

but then I'm upgrading a 7700k to 3900x soon

Settings are hugely important. Moreso for FFMPEG/x264 - but also for NVENC

shouldn't matter anymore

[grizzled arrow]

@cobalt acorn yes, but it's not a good option to upgrade from a 1080ti. You're paying full 2080 price for tiny improvement

[lone pond]

@cobalt acorn they perform roughly the same, in some cases the 1080 ti does better

Eposvox is a popular youtuber who covers a lot of encoding/streaming "what settings should I use" content, can't say I like his mic/EQ settings haha

the original 2080 at least

[cobalt acorn]

Yeah

[lone pond]

now idk about all these super businesses

Launch Turing 2080 was disappointing

Is it worth buying used parts like gpu cpu and motherboard?

[wraith pasture]

@daring minnow

[cobalt acorn]

If I do in the future yes the future I might get a like 1070

[daring minnow]

Most of the time, buying a used computer part will be just like buying any other computer part. as long as it works/ powers on, and there is not physical damage, you should be good. Most people are not out to take advantage of you by selling you broken hardware, but you still need to pay attention, look over the parts before you buy, and make sure you're buying the parts through a trusted payment method like Paypal Goods & Services, or with Ebay buyer protections.

[lone pond]

I personally don't buy used parts unless I can inspect them on site

but that's just me

I like amazon warehouse because if it's defective/wrong, it goes back the next day no effort

@daring minnow amazon too?

[daring minnow]

amazon used prices are normally laughably more expensive than everywhere else

the prices are always super dumb

[cobalt acorn]

Yeah

[daring minnow]

used parts on amazon tend to actually be more expensive than buying the parts brand new

[lone pond]

Amazon does a terrible job sorting search options without extensions

[daring minnow]

its that insane

[lone pond]

looking through amazon black friday deals

kils me

because the way they sort the deals

is so bad

still better than newegg 1 page of deals

Newegg is better for buying parts then?

[daring minnow]

same thing

if you're buying used

dont buy from a main seller

[grizzled arrow]

used I go ebay

[daring minnow]

the prices are always stupid

[lone pond]

for example : used 1080 ti prices will soarrrr

you would think they are very expensive

[daring minnow]

when a used 1080ti is common to buy for $400-$450 shipped

amazon used prices are $1000+

[lone pond]

I think enough people buy without knowing better to justify leaving the listings at stupid prices

[wicked hound]

I mean given the prices of 5700XT and 2070S the 1080Ti has like a theoretical new price of $440

[daring minnow]

new they are still $500-$550 in value

as they are slightly faster than the 2070 super

[wicked hound]

10% better than 5700XT but has to be cheaper than 2070S due to NVENC and RT

1% faster than 2070S, basically same perf

[lone pond]

where are you

[wicked hound]

in rasterization

[lone pond]

getting these stats

Model makes a huge difference though the 1080 ti was the one in the series where FE vrm was rarely an issue for big oc. Powerlimit is most impactful usually

[wicked hound]

sorry, 3%

[lone pond]

[wicked hound]

tho, 3% is still nothing major

[daring minnow]

yep, hence why 1080ti is within the same new pricing as a 2070 super

[wicked hound]

yet all other cards can be found cheaper. 1070Ti for example is apparently $200 used?

[lone pond]

new cards, newer arch gets priority for driver development, but I think the 1080 ti will remain a favorite for some time

[daring minnow]

1070 is $175-$200, 1070ti is $250ish, 1080 is $280-$300

for used pricing

[wicked hound]

just doesnt make sense then for 1070 and 1080
1660S for $230 and 5700 for $330

[lone pond]

why would something need to make sense?

it's what it is

[daring minnow]

1070 is slighty faster than the 1660s, so it makes sense its similar in price for a used 1070 vs a new 1660 super

[wicked hound]

it was nice before the RTX launch when used was 70% MSRP or so, not like 90%

but also NVENC

[daring minnow]

and a 1080 is a bit slower than 5700 so it makes sense its used prices are a bit lower than new 5700

1070 has NVENC

[wicked hound]

5700 is a bit slower I thought? But then again 5700 has great OC perf
1660S has new NVENC

[daring minnow]

used 1070's are about 30% cheaper than a new 1660 super

so thats within reason of used vs new

$175 VS $230

[wicked hound]

not auction

$200 vs $230

[daring minnow]

only the very high end 1070's are still selling for $200 regularly

Strix, EVGA FTW3, or hybrid cards

[wicked hound]

cheapest 1070 I see is $200

[daring minnow]

you do also have to account that ebay has a 10% fee

so you only get $180

for that

which is very similar to actual cost of a 1070

[lone pond]

that 10% fee is highway robbery

and is why I will never be an ebay seller

[wicked hound]

what do you mean 10% fee?

I have bought and sold on eBay

never dealt with a % fee before

[lone pond]

[daring minnow]

ebay charges the seller 10% of the price they sold the item for

and collects it at the end of each month

[wicked hound]

I didnt see that

[lone pond]

has been happening for years

you are blind

[wicked hound]

I checked the price of my products as a guest, it was the same price as I listed it at

[lone pond]

That's why hardwareswap / building an online rep as not a scammer can be very valuable

[wicked hound]

and I got the same amount of money that I listed my product at as well

[lone pond]

you will need to pay them

at the end of the month

they don't collect it immediately

[wicked hound]

it's been a year now

[daring minnow]

ebay takes the money they charge for their sellers fees at the end of each month

[lone pond]

they also take the money out of your bank account

without your permissions

if you linked your card

Final value fees vary by countless categories too, could be some edge case

[daring minnow]

well, only if they are collecting on the sellers fee

XD

[lone pond]

ebay are crooks

seriously

[daring minnow]

thats why I list all my items on ebay for 10% more than what i would list them for on HWS or discord or facebook

[lone pond]

Paypal/venmo should be erradicated haha.

[wicked hound]

could it be US vs cad type of thing?

Cuz I legit have never seen this before

[daring minnow]

paypal only takes a 4% fee

which is at least reasonable

[lone pond]

imagine selling something for $600

they take $60

then paypal fees

Not really. It's largely because they have inertia of consensus, long account ages/trust, and have to cover all chargebacks/protections etcv

I hate ebay

[daring minnow]

ebay owns paypal, so you dont get hit with a double whammy, its just 10%

[lone pond]

you don't? good x.x

I sold a 3900x that way lol. Probs could've saved 50 done locally, but 5 mins of effort so eh

I only sell my products on craiglist now

but I also get

very weird people

lowbailing stuffs

You learn quick what can indicate a trash person/waste of time kinda offer imo. still, takes time/effort

[daring minnow]

yeah, you learn to ignore them

and just laugh at them

its funny how stupid people are

[lone pond]

one straight up asked me if I wanted to trade my 1070 ti for a glock he owns

I said if I wanted to trade guns I would go to armslist

[daring minnow]

ive been offered $300 for my brand new watercooled 1080ti's

XD

[lone pond]

it's their way of saying " take it or leave it"

and apparently

it works

[daring minnow]

im over here like... yo

[lone pond]

1% of the time

[daring minnow]

they are $750 retail

and i have em up for $600

XD

and you want them for $300?

[outer juniper]

free karma on r/choosingbeggars lol

[lone pond]

I also got this weird dude

asked if I'm still selling my rx 580 for $100

I said yes and he came over

paid and left

I think " cool, first time in awhile I didn't get lowballed "

3 days later the guy told me the GPU doesn't work, didn't fit in his motherboard

and wants a refund

[compact bison]

thats not how it works

[fast ermine]

is he stupid

he should know that

before buying it

lol people like that kill me

[drowsy vortex]

is a 1050 ti good with a i5 7gen ?

@ me

[graceful frost]

depends on what you mean by good

what are you using it for?

[pastel hare]

@lone pond never bring them to ur house, thats how u get robbed

[lone pond]

It's okay

I have firearms

[pastel hare]

or in the case of refunds

[lone pond]

👌

[drowsy vortex]

games lol

[graceful frost]

depends on what games lol

[lone pond]

in 2019 the 1050 ti is inadequate for modern games

[dense flicker]

rx570 is cheaper and better.

[lone pond]

rx 580 is less than $100 used

[rancid nova]

im going to be upgrading my gpu

[hard wren]

might be able to find a 1660 for like $150

[rancid nova]

from a amd r9 380 to a Nvidia RTX 2070 Super

11gb of vram

from 4*

[hard wren]

that will make a big difference

[rancid nova]

yeah

im excited

[carmine wadi]

2070 super does not have 11 gibs of VRAM?

[hard wren]

do they make a 2070 super with 11gb now?

[carmine wadi]

it has 8

[rancid nova]

what do you mean

[hard wren]

lol thinking the same thing

[rancid nova]

ill check

[hard wren]

should be 8gb

2080ti is 11gb

[carmine wadi]

it is the 2080Ti that has 11

yeah

[lone pond]

I wasn't thinking anything I was just happy someone is getting an upgrade

[rancid nova]

i was pretty sure it has 11gb

brb

[lone pond]

1080ti and 2080 ti has 11gb

[hard wren]

I dont think its possible unless the 3rd party manufacturer did some major tweaks

[lone pond]

some chinese stuffs are weird

[hard wren]

Titan V has 12gb

[crude niche]

Is the rtx 2060 something I should get is it for serious gamers or above average gamers or what

[lone pond]

it's the standard card for standard gamers

[crude niche]

Im getting my first pc this Christmas so ye

Thanks

[lone pond]

pretty much the mid tier of all mid tiers

[crude niche]

Thx

[hard wren]

get the super

[rancid nova]

oh my bad its this

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Overclocked-Backplate-08G-P4-3163-KR/dp/B07TLPWBJ4?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B07TLPWBJ4

EVGA Gefource overclocked RTX 2060 xc super

[lone pond]

you said a 2070 super

this is 2060

[rancid nova]

yeah

[hard wren]

@rancid nova yeah dont get that

[rancid nova]

too late

[hard wren]

get a 2070 for cheaper

[lone pond]

price performance this is bad

seriously

also not 11gb

[hard wren]

like real bad thats a lot of money for a 2060

[rancid nova]

it has more than 8x the speed of my current

and i can play plenty of games rn

[lone pond]

8x?

[rancid nova]

just not at comfortable fps

yes 8x

[hard wren]

well of course its better than your current.... but you could have been 10-12x faster for the same price...

[lone pond]

oh well if he's happy with it

what can we do

have fun man

[hard wren]

I mean I like EVGA its a great brand

it will be the coldest 2060 out there...

[rancid nova]

what do you mean

also appearently im getting a new cpu

ryzen 7 from

amd fx 8350

[hard wren]

well hopefully it has some over the top cooling since its more expensive than most 2070 supers...

[lone pond]

^

[rancid nova]

i dont really care about that

i got it for 409

[lone pond]

still

expensive

[rancid nova]

i got it at a micro center

[lone pond]

whatever have fun man

[rancid nova]

i really could care less about that ive had this computer for almost 4 years

[lone pond]

so you don't want to have fun?

[hard wren]

and 409 is better I guess

you didnt get a 1700 did you?

[lone pond]

NVIDIA has got to do away with their naming sense

this SUPER thing has got to go

but I bet it will become more complicated

just to fool the average consumers

[rose obsidian]

The Super RTX 420 Infinite Series

[hard wren]

@lone pond I'm convinced it was just a last minute plan so that the 2070super could destroy the 5700xt it was too close with just the 2070 lol

[lone pond]

if they never release super series they would lose out market shares

because price performance wise, AMD destroys

then the super came and it's all evened out

next gen is gonna be cool

personally I can't wait

[hard wren]

oh I hope it doesnt come to soon I like being on top with my 2080ti LOL

[lone pond]

I want to be able to upgrade my 1080 ti

it's been 2 years

[hard wren]

yeah If I had a 1080ti I would have waited I just had a 1080

[lone pond]

the only straight upgrade from a 1080 ti right now is a 2080 ti

[wicked hound]

I wanna upgrade too but 2080Ti is too pricy

[hard wren]

you think Soda stopped talking to us and didnt answer my question because he did buy a 1700???

[lone pond]

it's not about the price, I have the bucks, it's just not worth it for a few extra frames

especially on 4k

[hard wren]

they are a third what they cost when I bought the FE

I paid $1500 now they are down around $1000

[wicked hound]

I also kinda have the money. I could afford it but probably going to be a bit sketch for me to buy something that expensive

[lone pond]

if Soda did buy a 1700 I'm gonna laugh

that's funny

Were you the one with the 2080 ti micron?

[rancid nova]

what do you mean

[hard wren]

what ryzen 7?

[rancid nova]

i was looking at mini itx motherboards

[wicked hound]

cheap 2080Tis never were really above $1250

[compact bison]

rtx titan with a celeron

[dreamy dragon]

Soda#6300 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[compact bison]

i think is good

[rancid nova]

a cpu

[lone pond]

yeah

but what model

what gen

[rancid nova]

7

[hard wren]

1700 1700x 2700 2700x 3700 3700x

one of these they are all 7's

[rancid nova]

lemme check

[compact bison]

waiting for the 6920x

[hard wren]

I'd be happy just seeing a 3990x

[lone pond]

I'm getting a 3900x soon

[hard wren]

nice

[lime crystal]

Nic3

[lone pond]

AMD convinced me that my current intel cpu is trash

[lime crystal]

Yyp

Same

[rancid nova]

ryzen 7 2700x

[hard wren]

I'm stuck with my 8700k until AMD or intel raises those core clocks again

[wicked hound]

I feel like my 6700k is such a low end now

[lime crystal]

Bruh everyone has such good stuff

[hard wren]

@rancid nova a 2700x is a good choice

[lone pond]

@rancid nova good for you

not 1700x

[wicked hound]

1700x and 2700x isnt a huge perf increase tho

just OC the 1700x

[lone pond]

I have this weird feelings that 4th > 7th gen intels

[lime crystal]

I have i5-2320 lmao

[lone pond]

they kinda stall us out

6th and 7th gen are the same

literally

[lime crystal]

Yh

Lol

[hard wren]

2700x should be able to outpace the 1700x by quite a bit in gaming

[lone pond]

6700k should be fine, lower IMC /mem oc headroom vs kaby/coffee, but game preference will drive the need orlack of - to upgrade

[rancid nova]

if you want i could send all of my current pc parts and what ill have after

[lone pond]

3900x from a 7700k is gonna be a huge upgrade for me

[hard wren]

depends what you are doing but yes in general

[lone pond]

mostly streaming and emulating stuffs

[hard wren]

oh yes then much better

[lone pond]

Game emulation? or VM/Hyper-V etc

all of them

[hard wren]

gaming the 7700k will probably pull more frames

[lone pond]

I could careless about actual gaming performance

[hard wren]

thats why I really want to see some higher clocks from AMD they would have blown intel out of the water and I would be getting rid of my 8700k if they could hit 5.3 turbo or something

[lone pond]

as old as I am I don't game all that much anymore

that's why I opted for a 4k60hz monitor

instead of the usual 144hz stuffs

[hard wren]

I use a 4k tv 120hz native

[lone pond]

must be a big TV

[hard wren]

55" Q80 samsung

you know and I really wish they made a 43" or 49" but 55" was the smallest 120hz 4k I could get

[lone pond]

I'm thinking of getting a new TV

LG OLED

but then I don't watch TV all that much

[hard wren]

I like the oleds but my home office is in my basement where my pc is and I have office lighting down here OLED needs more brightness

[lone pond]

thinking back I don't really know why I'm continuing to upgrade my rig

weird hobby

[quartz gull]

Can you imagine 120hz youtube videos?

[hard wren]

not really since 60fps is fast enough

[lone pond]

most videos are shot at

24fps or 30fps

60 fps you will notice the movements are really weird

like it has that fast forward effects

[wicked hound]

also, youtube has high compression

[quartz gull]

Most creators don't enable 60fps if the video isn't 60fps natively

[hard wren]

they call it the "soap opera effect"

[lone pond]

personally I like it but it's not for everybody

[hard wren]

LinusTechTips does some of theirs in 60fps

The Hobbit was the first thing I watched in 60fps

[wicked hound]

only reason more Hz is nice is due to the user actually providing input. On a movie or show the user isnt providing any input and thus more Hz is no where near as noticable

[lone pond]

more hz matters in competitive gaming scene

It really does

but then I'm just an average guy

doing average stuffs

[hard wren]

another problem is that we have become so used to 24-30fps 60fps looks weird

[lone pond]

I feel no need for it now

native 60fps anything will feels super smooth

[hard wren]

I like the 120hz everything seems smoother I cant notice the difference between that and 144hz or 240hz but I am getting old...

[lone pond]

but people that says they can't tell the differences between 30 fps and 60 fps

[hard wren]

you can

[lone pond]

I can but some ppl do say they can't tell

It's the easiest to tell

like if you are from 120 hz to 240 hz

[hard wren]

those are other old people like me, probably more stubborness than reality lol

[lone pond]

hard to tell

30 to 60 tho

that's easy

[hard wren]

I have plenty of friends that also dont seem to be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 2160p on a 75" tv.... so there are going to be outliers

[lone pond]

or we are the 1%

ppl that actually cares about resolutions and framerate and all that

that's not normal at all

[hard wren]

LOL could be

I'm not so sure about 8k it would have to be a really big screen. I'm pretty close to this 55" 4k and cant see any pixels

I almost bought one until I realized we were going to play the no native 120hz until a few years later game again

[lone pond]

higher resolution like 8k or 16k won't matter much if we are viewing from a distance

but in VR gaming tho

that will matters

alot

[hard wren]

thats true I do love my odyssey+

[summer peak]

I've said it before, but I think 4k panels at 120hz with varifocal displays will be good enough for me to be happy

add in some haptic gloves for controls... mmm

I give it 10 years before that's normal

[lone pond]

I would be dead by then

[wicked hound]

1440p with MSAA for normal monitors at least is nice

[summer peak]

Odyssey+ is pretty good, good choice especially for the price recently

[lone pond]

I'm old

I have a valve index and I'm still not happy

maybe 2 gens later

[hard wren]

yeah 2 4ks or one 8k with the magic that samsung puts on the odyssey plus screens to make that screen door effect go away

[summer peak]

What are you unhappy with about the index?

[lone pond]

mainly how I'm still able to tell individual pixels

[hard wren]

I would recommend the O+ if all you care about is visuals I have tried most of them and own quite a few I think it looks the best

[summer peak]

@hard wren they only really use that because they're using cheaper pentile displays which means 2 subpixels for every pixel, that adds a lot to the empty space between pixels, the odyssey+ does a good job of minimizing that but using an RGB stripe panel would do just as well

[lone pond]

but I just want it to be close to real life

[summer peak]

The index looks better than the odyssey+

Much more crisp display.

[grizzled arrow]

caring about visuals is one thing

[lone pond]

I went from the normal rift to the valve index

it was a huge upgrade

[hard wren]

crisper but still has a screen door I also own one 😉

[lone pond]

still didn't do it for me

[summer peak]

That's a huge jump yeah

[grizzled arrow]

but sacrificing the tracking, refresh rate, and gestures is another

[inner robin]

Hi, Im looking at getting this card https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGAEVG1667/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-1660-Ti-SC-Ultra-Gaming-6GB-GDDR6. For my Pc https://support.hp.com/lt-en/document/c05158360. Ive already orded this https://support.hp.com/lt-en/document/c05158360. but is there anything eles i will need.

[summer peak]

It doesn't really have the screen door effect. You have to look extremely hard to see it and in motion it's almost impossible.

The issue you're probably talking about is aliasing.

Which is still a big issue.

[inner robin]

Also yes I know my Pc is really bad

[hard wren]

the jagged edges?

[summer peak]

It's not just jagged edges.

Aliasing is the image looking pixelated.

[hard wren]

and the blacks are no where near as deep as the O+

[lone pond]

@inner robin I don't know about what else you may need

if you need a card you already ordered one

[summer peak]

The O+ also suffers from black smear, has very bad lenses, mediocre tracking, bad controllers...

[hard wren]

that said everything else about the O+ sucks

[inner robin]

I alrady got a power supply for the card

[hard wren]

yeah its a pain I would never recommend it to a first time user

[lone pond]

I have been VR-ing for awhile now

I think 2 gens later

I will finally be happy

[summer peak]

Like I said, 10 years

4k displays per eye, varifocal lenses, haptics...

[grizzled arrow]

can't wait til christmas

[eager marsh]

what's the minimum card you'd go with for vr gaming?

[hard wren]

2060

[summer peak]

Depends on which headset and which games.

I'd say the RX 5700

In general

[eager marsh]

ehh lets say the oculus rift s

[hard wren]

I still say 2060

[summer peak]

I'd really recommend the RX 5700. The 1660ti is also possible, but for not a lot more money you're getting a much bigger boost in performance.

RX 5700 is the same price as the 2060 and outperforms it...

[eager marsh]

cuz i had an argument about this with my friend lol

[lone pond]

if strictly for VR

the 5700xt kills

[summer peak]

Yeah but that's usually 400-450

for a decent cooler

I picked up a sapphire pulse rx 5700 for 330 on sale

I think it's on sale again now actually

[grizzled arrow]

I'd go with a 1060 6gb/980

[summer peak]

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-5700-100417p8gl/p/N82E16814202350?Item=N82E16814202350

it is

[eager marsh]

is it worth it to go thru the hassle of amd drivers tho?

[wicked hound]

well 5700 can "OC" to 5700XT levels so I mean

[summer peak]

AMD drivers are fine

[lone pond]

There was a 5700 xt strix for 405 open box recently, tempting

[summer peak]

AMD has had good drivers for years

[lone pond]

^

[hard wren]

I was going to mention driver issues also

[lone pond]

if anything it's their encoder that needs works

like seriously

their encoder is b roken

[summer peak]

yeah

but the drivers are fine

[wicked hound]

AMD has had, okay drivers. They have had more issues than Nvidia. But it isnt as bad as people make it out to be

[summer peak]

I've had more issues with Nvidia than AMD but that's anecdotal

[lone pond]

Win 7 - Nvidia just won on drivers, now, not so simple. Regardless, https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/

[eager marsh]

cuz i had a friend who used to have an rx 570 and when he upgraded his drivers his screen literally went kazoo

[summer peak]

lol what

I ran an rx 570 for like 3 years with no issues

[eager marsh]

wow lol

[summer peak]

upgraded regularly

just stay off the "optional" branch and you're fine

consider that beta

[hard wren]

they are just a little slower with updates I dont think its a deal breaker or anything but for new game launches nvidia is more on top of it

[summer peak]

right now AMD is killing it for price to performance compared to anything Nvidia is putting out

[lone pond]

I prefer the current AMD interface

geforce control panel is outdated

they need to change that quickly

[summer peak]

it's sexy

also yeah

[grizzled arrow]

I prefer ryzen + Nvidia

[lone pond]

nvidia control panel annoys .. me, I haven't touched geforce experience in a long time, few reasons to after Jan 2019 updates.

[summer peak]

Nvidia is overpriced at the moment and I really can't recommend it to anyone unless they're looking at the 2080ti

[grizzled arrow]

I like the nvidia interface

[summer peak]

AMD has them beat at every other price point

[grizzled arrow]

I can't say overpriced when I bought my 1070 for $200 used

[lone pond]

if it wasn't for the better encoder I would be AMD All da wae

[hard wren]

I will say that super sampling is a big deal and makes a huge difference

[lone pond]

but people stream

[grizzled arrow]

I can recommend the 1660 super

[summer peak]

just use your cpu to encode

1660super is beat out by AMD offerings too

[grizzled arrow]

the 5700?

[snow island]

@summer peak which offering, i am looking at getting a 1660 super and it's only $229

[summer peak]

rx 590