graphics-cards

[dense flicker]

@lone pond if it stresses you out then just dont do it :D

[gray vapor]

for some reason he feels a need to "educate" people though

[lone pond]

@dense flicker the issue is when you let someone stay that ignorant they will misinform others

and this is how misinformation spreads

[dense flicker]

nah this is purely about you

like, dont let things stress you

[lone pond]

Oh I spent over an hour yesterday trying to help someone recognize their willfull ignorance, but sometimes, it's just not worth the time.

[dense flicker]

^

[oblique cypress]

ye lol

ignorance is bliss

[long phoenix]

Ejamukashoon

[tidal hedge]

Best 1660 ti card under 300?

[gray vapor]

@tidal hedge This one is pretty good for under 300$ https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-zt-t16610f-10l/p/N82E16814500462

[tidal hedge]

It’s between that one. This one https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-gv-n166toc-6gd/p/N82E16814932131?item=N82E16814932131

And this one https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-06g-p4-1667-kr/p/N82E16814487446?item=N82E16814487446

[granite juniper]

@tidal hedge id highly recommend a 5700 tho because it is nearly 2060S levels of performance https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-amd-radeon-rx-5700-8gb-gddr6-pci-express-4-0-graphics-card-black/6358880.p?skuId=6358880

[timid niche]

Wow o.o

[tidal hedge]

@granite juniper ok, I’ll take a look into it! Can I get your opinion on the 3 cards above?

[gray vapor]

Nachos that is like a reference model for the 5700

Also the EVGA one would be the better choice but for under 300 i would honestly go with the Zotac card

[dense flicker]

wait if the evga one is better why get the zotac one then

[gray vapor]

He was asking for under 300 and the EVGA is 300

[dense flicker]

ohhh i read your message wron

wrong*

i thought u said 'evga would be better for under 300 but i would go with zotac'

[gray vapor]

zack you need to start getting 8 hours of sleep

[dense flicker]

i should

[gray vapor]

if you dont start now you will regret it

i get 4 hours of sleep everyday and i am always tired but my mind doesn't want to sleep

[granite juniper]

@gray vapor the 5700 cooler isn’t that bad and you can oc+undervolt it

and even a thermal throttled 5700 is better than a 1660 ti

[gray vapor]

yes but what about the case he is using as well

you would need one that has very good airflow and not decent airflow

[granite juniper]

it’d still be faster

[gray vapor]

yes but no one wants a toasty fast card

[granite juniper]

and you could even put a aftermarket cooler on it+ flash 5700xt bios

[gray vapor]

The other thing is you have no idea how long that GPU will be on sale for

[granite juniper]

:l your reminding me of theo

[gray vapor]

maybe theo is rubbing off on me 😛

[granite juniper]

@tidal hedge the zotac would be the best value, but the evga would be quieter+better overclocker because of the better cooler

[tidal hedge]

I’m using the meshify C and putting 2 140mm fans in it

@granite juniper alright cool, thanks👍🏻

[lone pond]

@gray vapor the 5700xt doesnt thermal throttle even stock and just simply will thermal throttle if you oc with the stock fan curve but also can be fully overclocked with the reference cooler to around the same point as any of the partner cards will if you up the fan curve. the 5700 however is much easier to cool and really doesn't see any issues with even the blower and the partner models are more just for a slightly lower load sound signature.

i would also heavily recommend against zotac

zotac's turing card partner cards for the most part (if not all) have a plate that blocks air from reaching the vrm which creates an effective hotbox

[hazy agate]

Thoughts on the Nvidia 2060 super....thinking about getting one

[granite juniper]

the 5700xt is a little better performing for the same price

[lone pond]

5700xt is more on par with a 2070s @granite juniper

usually averaging around 6 or 7% behind a 2070s

a 5700 is a little ahead of a 2060s and more on par with a 2070 from most of what i have seen

[granite juniper]

yeah, but the drivers are messed up a little and don't really want to oversell it

but id say 2070/S levels, true

[lone pond]

"drivers are messed up" that wouldnt mean that you assume it is doing worse than it currently is. That would be useable as an argument for the claim that it will perform better in the future (although i really dont think it will improve much quicker than any other amd card we have seen in the last couple years) but its current performance level is still its current performance level.

[hazy agate]

So compared to the RX 580 I have now would it be worth it to go to either the 5700xt or the 2060 super?

[long phoenix]

@hazy agate I'd say so. Of those, RX 5700 XT > RTX 2060 Super > RX 580

Ray tracing takes a big toll on performance, so if you want to use ray tracing and still have decent FPS you'd need a 2080S/Ti. 2060s won't be worth it for ray tracing.

[hazy agate]

Ok awesome thank you @long phoenix

[lone pond]

@long phoenix for the raytracing pass turing actually isnt too good. the raytracing pass is largely shading and fp32 compute heavy which puts turing behing gcn, rdna, volta, and pascal for that portion of the frame. The way nvidia inflates the gap is through an int 8 heavy denoiser based off their optix denoiser algorithm which kills performance on almost any other gpu arch and the only reason turing isnt killed by it is because tensor cores do int8 and fp16 really well (most gpus suck at int). There are also ways to set up a real time raytracer that only uses a reflection layer which would not need to be denoised and there are properly designed denoising algorithms out there that dont kill performance.

[long phoenix]

Idk what that means but thank you popcorn, very cool!

Sorry

[lone pond]

the only reason they force that optix based denoiser is because without it a 2080ti would lose to a vii and a 2080 would only be on par with a 1080ti and a 5700xt would likely be on par with both as well as rdna is incredibly efficient at the shading portion in spite of not being the best at single precision compute.

[long phoenix]

I have no idea how RT works

Is that why 5700 XT gets aberrantly high scores in some synthetic benchmarks?

Then just decent others

I am not this tech savvy

I was just summarizing the general performance of those anyways, and why 2060 wouldn't be worth it for RT

[lone pond]

@long phoenix I have a long explanation I wrote for another server that I will just paste here

Rt cores contrary to popular belief (and some contradictory marketing) do not actually "calculate the rays" and instead are used for storing bvh data. The issue occurs when you consider that this adds a delay to just putting that data in l1 cache and results in a performance hit in lower asset scenes. It does result in a slight performance gain in collision detection calculation as that bvh data can be pulled up faster in high asset scenes but those are less common and the entire collision detection portion of any algorithm is short and for the most part irrelevant
Tensor cores do fp16 and int 8 calculations which also are useless for any raytracing algorithm
Infact the only reason Pascal cards dont beat Turing cards per die space in dxr titles is many of them use an optix inspired denoiser (because they are sponsored by nvidia) which is flawed purposefully by design to be int heavy which results in most gpus which are poor at int doing poorly. This is why any reasonable person will put int heavy task on the cpu which is good at int.
The raytracing pass is actually mainly fp32 and shading heavy however

[gray vapor]

Or he copied and pasted what someone else said on another server 😛

[lone pond]

@gray vapor you realize I'm the person who did the research to find these details and read through the the code for the optix denoiser to find the issue and wrote all of that...

I can even tell you which server it was originally written for and currently pinned in

Kristoffer yee's server

It wasn't my first breakdown in this either but instead was the easiest for me to find as it is pinned and I dont like rewriting stuff

[half sapphire]

What is a good AMD cpu to pair with the 1660 ti?

[dense flicker]

@half sapphire 3600, 3700x

[lone pond]

even if you were playing at 1080p a 1600 would be more than enouth

[dense flicker]

or maybe for cheaper 2700x or 2600

[lone pond]

a 3600 or 3700x would be more than overkill same with a 2600 or 2700x with a 1660ti

[granite juniper]

2600/3600 i'd say

[lone pond]

and i would heavily suggest getting a v56 at about the same price or putting an extra $30 or so $ in and getting a 5700 which is more on par with a 2070

a 2600 even at 1080p can usually handle a 2070 level gpu and still see a slight gpu bottleneck instead of cpu bottleneck other than the moments of a low frame time spike on the cpu

a 3600 really should all around be fine with any gpu unless you want to go 2080ti and 1080p (if you do that you are an idiot and probably shouldn't be given access to the capital needed to buy either component)

really with a 1600 you should be fine even if in the future you decide to get a 2060

[gray vapor]

@half sapphire Go for the 2600 or the 3600

[half sapphire]

I already have the 1660 ti

I have it paired with the i5 7400

😂 👌

[gray vapor]

I have a 1660 right now and with the 2600 i am using it is a good pair

[half sapphire]

but smh tho

I won a bid for a 2060 for 280

but the shipping company got it lost

[gray vapor]

Let me guess it was from China/Hong Kong 🤔

[little slate]

or someone in the shipping company decided that they needed a new GPU

[half sapphire]

Canada

Canadian Post lol

[twin marsh]

Any opinions on the Zotac 2080ti?

[granite juniper]

which model? they have like 8 models

[twin marsh]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/2CCb8LL7K6N7gLMSA

That one?

Super new to this. No idea what I'm doing

Was recommended, but the reviews are 50/50 and I can't find anything besides hype videos -_-

[granite juniper]

yeah looks like a solid card, should keep it cool for the price

[velvet ibex]

Hi guys

What do you guys think this will sell for it’s in good condition

geforce gtx 1060

[jaunty fractal]

are there any custom white rx 5700 xt's out there?

or would I have to mod it

[little slate]

I don't think any exist currently

MSI evoke would be the closest, at gold, but it's also not a very good card

[lone pond]

@twin marsh almost all if not all zotac turing cards have a plate over the vrm that blocks air from reaching it and creates a hot box so i would say no

[twin marsh]

@lone pond possible mod to fix? Or not worth it

[lone pond]

just dont go zotac is my advice lol

usually for around the same price there is an actually well designed option

unless you can find a seemingly well designed card that has had a teardown and seems to have 0 flaws like blocking air from the passing vrm and not properly cooling the vrm and is actually at a good price

[gray vapor]

Popcrm just because you had a bad experience with Zotac doesn't mean everyone else should avoid is like the plague.

[granite juniper]

the only ones around the price range are the fe for a little more, and the ventus/ black

[digital remnant]

@lone pond I am going to warn you one last time. One more personal attack and you are gone! Simple as that.

[lone pond]

i wouldnt consider that message a personal attack but it was conveniently deleted so nobody else can judge it and determine for themselves...

[digital remnant]

I deemed it as such and thats all that matters. You @ a person and then insulted them. That's personal.

[gray vapor]

mods and admins can see deleted messages so they can still judge it

[gray vapor]

@digital remnant your attention for this plz

[digital remnant]

@gray vapor thanks

[gray vapor]

np

[echo kraken]

@velvet ibex if it's a 3gb model around 90-100 and 6gb around 110-120

[hushed bobcat]

Hello, my PC right now is as follows:
-CPU: i9 9900k
-Motherboard: AsRock Phantom Gaming Sli/ac Z390
-Graphics card: GTX 1080Ti Gaming X Trio
-RAM. 8Gbx4=32Gb GSkill Ripjaws DDR4-2666
-SSD: XPG Gammix S11 Pro M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3x4
So I would like to upgrade my graphics card to NVLink 2080ti, my doubts are about the PCIe lanes, I think that each graphics need 16, and my SSD needs 4, but the CPU only has 16, clearly way under the actual needed for everything, or I am wrong with something? If I do that, would I have problems or big drops in performance? I do gaming and also 3D modeling animation etc.
Thank you very much in advance

[bronze needle]

what do you guys think about the rx vega 56 airboost?

[little slate]

@hushed bobcat that's not how PCIe lanes work

the lanes that the SSD uses are not shared with what the GPUs use

chipset vs cpu PCIe lanes if I remember correctly

although I would advise against going SLI, the benefits are questionable at best

[violet dock]

take it from me SLI makes me question existence with each new game launched. Unless your using something that 100% can utilize both cards its more detrimental than anything

[worldly crow]

@bronze needle for 369 u can get the 5700xt

or a 5700 which i believe is faster than the 56

[violet dock]

spend the little extra and get a partner card though

[worldly crow]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-radeon-rx-5700-tuf-3-rx5700-o8g-gaming/p/N82E16814126347?Description=rx 5700&cm_re=rx_5700-_-14-126-347-_-Product

5700 asus tuf 3 fans just 10 bucks more

[lone pond]

Here's what I'd recommend based on your initial expressed interest in going 2x 2080 ti

Get a 1-2TB 970 pro nvme for windows+everything, clean install, use your old drive for data/backup if desired
Get a single 2080 ti - I'd recommend an evga ftw3, MSI gaming trio, or Asus ROG Strix Adv or OC but NOT the regular strix

Limiting a single 2080 ti from 16 to 8 pcie 3.0 lanes knocks something like <5% performance on average - non-issue

Decide from this point if you want to spend another $1200+ on a second 2080 ti.

[lethal jewel]

1660ti or 1060?

[wraith pasture]

1660ti

[worldly crow]

the 1660ti is basically a 1070 so definately the 1660ti

[robust needle]

1660 or rx 580?

[lone pond]

depends on price

[wispy crystal]

The 1660 beats the 590, which is closer in price

[knotty hazel]

Any one know anything about these

[fallen schooner]

appears to be 11 gpus, inside me

[lone pond]

can't see a thing, are there stickers with part numbers?

[wispy crystal]

That looks like a 950

[knotty hazel]

There rx 580s

[fallen schooner]

mining cards?

as you got a lot of em.

[wispy crystal]

1050 ti*

Huh. Weird. I have a different looking 58p

580*

[knotty hazel]

Thats what im going to use them for but they all have display ports

Me too

Red devils are diffrent

And so is my msi

Out of tbe box they get 27

[wispy crystal]

wack

[wispy crystal]

I thought about getting a 1660 ti, but imma wait until I have enough for a 5700 xt

[knotty hazel]

Gpu 0 it can get like 31 i believe runni g strap but it crashes when i try was womdering if anyone else ever seen them?

I got a beast

Idk my room likes dust

[long phoenix]

Clean it out... Jfc

[knotty hazel]

I just took tbe dust out last week

Having 6 ankle bitters dosnt hel0

Help

Is abyone getting rid of psus

[fallen schooner]

there is no buying/selling on this server.

[knotty hazel]

Ok thank you

[ionic hornet]

Trying to get a nice graphics card. Any brand or type I should get

[lone pond]

yes, literally dozens of options, what's your budget, target resolution, games you play, ect

[oblique cypress]

gotta specify, its best so people can help you out the most

[ionic hornet]

i was making a parts list for my friend. but he doesnt know all the parts he needs n such (long story) so i dont need a card anyore lol

[oblique cypress]

ok lol

[ionic hornet]

dude kept me up for like two hours to try to help him for nothing lmao night

[oblique cypress]

that was sad

F

[lone pond]

does anyone know if I have to fill up these or

[oblique cypress]

yes

to make it work, you gotta plug in your gpu cables

dont "fill them up" with anything, just plug the cables needed into the card

[dense flicker]

holy crap i didnt know graphics cards could take that much lol

the most ive seen is 8+8

[livid girder]

Mine is 4

Not twenty

[granite juniper]

@dense flicker the kingpin 2080 ti has 3 8 pins

[dense flicker]

[granite juniper]

it can draw 525w iirc

[dense flicker]

might as well just plug in 24 pin motherboard power

[granite juniper]

👀

[long phoenix]

That's a lot of power

[warped flume]

How do I get a custom resolution on my system
I have a pretty old graphics card

but i have a ryzen 7 3700x

msi x470 gaming pro carbon

[gray vapor]

display settings

[dense flicker]

16:9 is a screen ratio

16 x 120 = 1920
9 x 120 = 1080

[echo kraken]

What if he meant 16 x 9

I get a whole 144 pixels

[long phoenix]

CSGO at 9p

True pro gamer

[sinful briar]

can somone help me with a gpu to get for a $650 pc for forntite and rainbow six siege

[timid niche]

rx 580 8gb

[oblique cypress]

^

[wispy crystal]

Even an rx 570 8gb runs those pretty well, but totally up to you

[gray vapor]

if the budget is 650$ total i would go for a 4gb RX 560 or 570 model instead cause the 560 is around 100$ new and the 570 is around 135$ new or for about 125$ you can use the 1050 Ti which is the middle ground between the 2 and looking at the specs for R6S it is more Nvidia friendly than AMD friendly

Those are mainly the options one would have for a budget build costing that much

Here is a good example for R6S with using a MSI GTX 1050 Ti Gaming X card which uses a 6 pin power connector on it https://i.gyazo.com/a4d3fc3eda1e54ee1f50b41132a003f3.png

[lone pond]

Which 2080super do you guys think is the best

[gray vapor]

EVGA

[little slate]

Evga might not always offer the best performance or price, but they've got the best customer support

And in my opinion that's worth the cost

[gray vapor]

Well for price i tend to find them more affordable than companies like Asus

@little slate don't forget EVGA also has these models as well which if i had the money to spend on a 2080 super it would be this one https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-2080-super-08g-p4-3188-kr/p/N82E16814487468

[lone pond]

I'd strongly recommend avoiding any AIO hybrid GPU unless on a very strict space/noise budget.
+1 for EVGA though

[little slate]

What do you have against the AiO hybrid cards?

[faint harness]

How would I tell if my gpu crapped out? My monitors aren’t getting any connection(blank screens). I know it’s getting enough power. I’ve tried multiple hdmi cords to see if it was that and nothing is working. Any tips or ways to troubleshoot this ? It’s a ASUS 1070ti Cerberus

[gray vapor]

Try out DVI install/reinstall your drivers and then try HDMI and see it is it working

[lone pond]

Good suggestion- try HDMI out, if not try hit ctrl alt delete on the black screen as well.

[faint harness]

Thanks! I’ll try and get back to you if any progress was made

[gray vapor]

You know if i was to do a waterloop system to avoid buying a water cooler GPU bracket thing i would just buy this https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-2080-super-08g-p4-3289-kr/p/N82E16814487469

[little slate]

I heard those are pretty good

I was trying to find one of the evga hydrocopper blocks to put in my 1080ti but they seem almost impossible to find now without an insane price.

[worldly crow]

@little slate you can only usually find the blocks on active cards so like the current cards they sell at the time.,

[unreal elm]

Does the Radeon VII have ray tracing support like the RTX 20 series?

[worldly crow]

no

radeon is supposed to add software raytracing later but i believe thats just thier 5900 series.

rtx has RT and 10 series has software RT but only for Battlefield 5 i believe

@unreal elm

[gray vapor]

@worldly crow i believe it is only BFV cause for Shadow of the Tomb Raider i was not able to enable RT

[little slate]

@lone pond im still wondering what makes you avoid the hybrid cards

[lone pond]

From all the reading through reviews, user testimony from the brand specific forums - ROG, EVGA, MSI, Zotac, Aorus etc, they often cause more issues than the supposed benefit they would (I assume) claim to provide vs a high end air only cooler like the MSI Gaming Trio, EVGA's FTW3, Asus's Strix adv, matrix, etc. Maybe things have changed, but my distaste for anything AIO hasn't :).

[gray vapor]

Well a custom AIO for a GPU might be the better option

[lone pond]

I suually parrot the same thing to users asking about AIO (e.g. H150i/h1150i pro vs Kraken x72/x62) for their 9900k or equivalent (there aren't many equivalents))

I tell them to go AIO because they like the aesthetics, space constraints, decreased suceseptability to damage when dropped/bumping during shipping / car ride etc - and to a small extent, AIOs soack up power spikes better vs top tier air, but often lose out on steady state.

Reliability / maintenance? That should be obvious who wins.

Custom AIO?

Like slap an x62 on a 2080 ti FE, flash the bios to KPE or Strix XOC, then figure out your own mem, VRM, etc cooling setup?
Not a bad plan - but someone who has that kind of ambition, doesn't need my advice.

[gray vapor]

and i think there is like 15 different AIO's that is compatible with it

[lone pond]

Were you planning on going AIO + that thing on your GPU?

[gray vapor]

If i was using like a 2070S maybe but for what i have i don't need it

i am just pointing that out as well for options if people wanted to go AIO on their GPU

[lone pond]

I'm a big 2070s fan tbh. MSI, EVGA both make great coolers for that card. Unsure if it's worth, but they also put out an OC memory versoin, the ultra?

[gray vapor]

I am using the thicc 1660 so that is why i don't need an AIO for my card

[lone pond]

I'm all for trying my best to educate a prospective buyer about possible build options - but gotta pick my battles haha - this whole wall of text was just about GPU cooler choice lol.

I have the air only cooler on a 373W ftw3. No issues.

[south isle]

EVGA 1050 TI is 10/10 great imo.

[dense flicker]

i wouldnt buy it right now

[little slate]

Well I currently have a hybrid evga 1080ti, and I have full water block in the mail for it

As of now my gpu does not overclock well

Gonna see how well it does with a full block

Would be a neat little test on how good the AiO does on it

Because my temperatures all show good but the driver crashes with anything above +50 on the clock

[lone pond]

Hard to figure out the cause without more info. What tool do you use to OC? Settings?

[gray vapor]

My good guess would be afterburner

[lone pond]

Likely have to set pump/fans with precision XOC - not PX1, then use AB to tune the V/F curve.
PX1 seems to be ok on turing, gpu clock has some fluctuation issues regardless.
PX1 does not like Pascal.

[gray vapor]

But it likes my 1660 lol

[lone pond]

PX1 is more than fine for a 1660 unless you get into the niche stuff, usually compute.

[gray vapor]

I use afterburner for the overlay benchmarks but for everything else i stick with the PX1

[lone pond]

Good picks, I've mostly done the same. PX1 has a long history of bugs.

In the interest of producing relevant content vs chasing internet points on hwbot with my meager 38.4 coming mostly from baseline 3700x testing, (I idolize ServeTheHome-Patrick btw - the guy in 2nd) I think I'll try my best to bench on vanilla Windows 10 pro, 18362.384 or whatever the current release build is. I'll save inisder for a VM or an optiplex or something.
https://hwbot.org/career/?offset=-9&team=rookies_of_united_states

[little slate]

I tried both xoc and px1, results were the same

And I'm still going to be using the same software with the full block so it should be consistent

All the other hardware will be the same too, I already have the cpu loop, just going to add the gpu to it

[lone pond]

i dislike being tied to px1 but afterburner definitely didn't want to play nice with my 2080ti

the only way i could get rtss working was by using hwinfo to feed telemetrics to rtss, because px1 doesn't have that built in

The ICX2 stuff? Not super important IMO. I can show you step by step real easy now that my 2080ti is on a separate rig and I got this capture card

[hallow marsh]

Does anyone know of compatible graphic cards for a HP-ENVY H8-1534?

[lone pond]

I have hwinfo feeding info to my rtss to replace the built in functionality that Afterburner has to do feed rtss. I had an MSI 980ti and upgraded to an evga 2080ti, and tried using afterburner at first cuz I didn't want to deal with hwinfo and stuff

But then I get ~150MHz less on manual overclocking with afterburner

Did you max the voltage slider?

Temps matter - a lot

Keep the core under 40 and it's a differentcard

With both programs having the sliders maxed, yeah

With my dh15 and better airflow my GPU is regularly 10°c cooler than before

And @hallow marsh you're going to be a little limited because of that power supply, I expect it only has one of the connectors to power video cards

Something like an rx560, gtx 1650 will be affordable options that will work well. Although you may be bottlenecked by that processor a bit

[bronze needle]

straight up tho the founders cards of the 2060 and 2070 super are sexy af

agree?

[livid girder]

you know what isn't sexy

their price

[bronze needle]

ok true

[worldly galleon]

Hi, I was curious if anyone had any recommendations for a graphics card that would be used for video editing that can also be placed in a laptop

[fallen schooner]

you would have to get the gpu box adapter kit which is pretty expensive.

and need to make sure your laptop has lighting bolt cable port

like this: https://www.newegg.com/asus-model-xg-station-pro/p/N82E16814126236

[echo vigil]

I am looking to upgrade the video card in a HP 800 G1 SFF computer. The Power supply is 300w. What is the best low profile GPU can i get?

[earnest drift]

@echo vigil doesnt look like it can even fit a 1050ti

oh nvm

go for a 1050ti

[gray vapor]

There is the 1050, 1050 Ti and RX 560

@echo vigil you have this one https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-gtx-1050-ti-4gt-lp/p/N82E16814137081

If you want to save more money there is this one https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-560-rx-560-4gt-lp-oc/p/N82E16814137425R

and open box is not a bad thing

[lone pond]

How much of a difference is a 2070 vs a 2070 super

[candid quarry]

I believe it were around 250 more cuda cores, higher boost clock, better bin etc. I wouldn’t get a normal 2070 unless it’s used especially if you can get a 5700XT

[lone pond]

don't get a non-super unless it's for a steal, i think in the ~$400-500 range, most people will have better realized performance with a 5700xt

between a 2070 and a 2070 super, it's probably no more than 5-10%, tops

[lone pond]

Best buy is having 150 off a 2070, and I was wondering if its even worth getting that or just waiting and getting a 2070 super

the super is obviously a better buy if raw performance is your only metric, but a 2070 for...what, $400? is kind of a hard sell, i'd get the 5700xt at that point

cuz between a non super 2070 and a 5700xt the choice is pretty clear imo

unless you want ray tracing

which is going to be kind of a crapshoot on a 2070 anyway

What about a 2070 super vs a 5700 xt?

a 2070s will win in raw performance there, but you're looking at ~$100 price difference (~25% of total cost of a 5700xt) for a pretty minor performance jump (~10%)

the 5700xt is a better value, but a 2070s will beat it (ever so marginally)

both are very solid cards in that price range

Hmm ok. I was thinking about waiting til black Friday to see if I can get a deal on either.

If not. Meh. I'm not in a rush.

Thanks for the help! :)

naturally

[lone pond]

are the 2070 non-supers $350 at best buy?

[earnest drift]

even for 350 they aren't worth it

[lone pond]

i agree, i was just curious how cheap they are

[earnest drift]

and I doubt it

they're out of production now

2070 has been entirely replaced by 2060S

[lone pond]

hence why they're liquidating them

[earnest drift]

which is cheaper and offers pretty much the same performance

[lone pond]

i mean, i'm not arguing that with you, i just wanted to know how much best buy is selling them for

[late kestrel]

me: seeing what kind of rip offs wish has to offer on GPUs
random wish listing:

border guard

[worldly crow]

a 2060s still has lesser rt cores and costs more than a 2070 its almost a 2070 but it isnt

with a 2070 being that cheap u can get a 2070 and still put a waterblock on it for under 500 thats a good deal

[quick crater]

I’m tryna build my friend a whole setup (keyboard mouse monitor included) for around 800, any suggestions? I was thinking ryzen 5 2600 with a b450 tomahawk but I’m not too sure which graphics to go with

[gray vapor]

If your friend is gaming at 1080p just get a 4gb RX 580 then or a 8gb RX 570

Those should keep it close towards the 800$ mark

Or your friend can wait for the RX 5500 to come out which should be better and more affordable

@quick crater Here and there is also an additional 10$ off as well https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-580-100411p8gocl/p/N82E16814202278

[timid niche]

My powercolor red devil 5700 xt came DOA 😭 😭

[worldly crow]

ouch rma it

[timid niche]

Yeah i did xd thyre gonna refund me

Sucks though lol i was all excited too haha

[little slate]

I really hate when a component is hard to find in stock, then you get a broken one and they refund you instead of sending a replacement.

[gray vapor]

You do know he could of just asked for a refund to just get a different one instead

since the RMA process can't do it for a different company card

[timid niche]

yeah im getting MSI Gaming X 5700xt :3
also considering Sapphire Pulse hehe

[little slate]

I feel like this would be relevant for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5McVc0SQMHU

@timid niche

[long phoenix]

nitro+

ftw

[timid niche]

GBT for overall mhmmmmm jeesh

[faint harness]

Can a 2070 super push 200+ FPS ?

[dense flicker]

depends on the game and at what settings

my 1050ti could push 300fps in minecraft if everything was turned down to the very bottom

[faint harness]

What cpu would be needed at minimum to pair w a 2070 super to push 200+ FPS in fortnite at the lowest-medium settings ?

[dense flicker]

uhhhhhh

maybe like ryzen 5 3600?

someones gotta back me up on this

but yeah, youre gonna have to keep settings at the bottom

[granite juniper]

yeah at 1080p it should be around there on low/medium

[little slate]

question is, why do you care about pushing 200+ fps?

[timid niche]

does anyone know if you can replace the fans of Sapphire Pulse rx 5700 xt with Nitro Gear argb fans?

im mounting mine vertically so kinda want some aesthetics to the fans lmaoo 😂

[gray vapor]

nope

They are made for Nitro+ anyways

[timid niche]

mhmm okie

[fallen schooner]

I've always liked the look of arctic coolers on gpus.

plus there was a user here that installed one, and got like 30c difference in temps on his 5700xt

@dreamy haven I believe.

[long phoenix]

@timid niche nitro+ XT fans just released today I believe

[timid niche]

oooh thanks ill look for em :D might just get sapphire nitro then hehe instead of pulse teehee

[little slate]

That was over reference cooler, which tbh isn't saying that much with how poorly that operates

[slender spindle]

Anyone got a recco for a good 2080ti card with rgb?

[runic trail]

Which is a better GPU, https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814932137 or https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-1065-KR

[oblique cypress]

looks like the gigabyte might be slighter better

but ive only seen the information on those links

i have the sc ultra one

[runic trail]

Oh

Could I have some advice on how it might be slightly better?

Just wondering

[oblique cypress]

and the 3 fans look good too

https://versus.com/en/evga-geforce-gtx-1660-xc-ultra-gaming-vs-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1660-oc

click this

its a comparison

wait a minute

[runic trail]

um

that's the dual fan gigabyte card

[oblique cypress]

give me second lmao

[runic trail]

LUL

[oblique cypress]

my brain

takes a sec

cant find a comparison

if you wanna compare em, look at their mhz and compare them, wattage or whatever, etc

see which has better mhz or uh like better cooling

i doing hw rn so i cant do that

[runic trail]

ok ty

[oblique cypress]

you got it

[dire pike]

quick question, the gtx 1650 cards are designed to not take power directly from the psu, yes?

& if its maximum power draw is 75W, pairing it with a ryzen 5 2600 should allow me to use a 300W psu, right?

[dense flicker]

@dire pike a 300w power supply will definitely not be enough

id get like a 650w psu

and yes, you plug in the graphics card separately

[dire pike]

what do you mean by separately

i was reading that the 1650s just draw power from the pcie slot

[dense flicker]

could you send a link to the one you were gonna get?

[dire pike]

i haven't settled on one specifically, but this is what i'm leaning towards

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QF1H9YR?pf_rd_p=183f5289-9dc0-416f-942e-e8f213ef368b&pf_rd_r=KY9QB875HCANQXYVZQ5Z

[dense flicker]

ah ok

[dire pike]

looking at it, I don't see a 6pin power thing

[dense flicker]

it looks to me like some take them, some dont, and that one looks like it doesnt

so yeah, youre all good to go

id still get a 650w psu though

or at least 550

[dire pike]

can i ask why?

i was looking at some power draw comparisons, and i get wildly different estimates

1 moment

[timid niche]

try putting your parts to partpicker

itll say the watts youll use and just add 100 on top of it haha thats what ive been reading in this discord o:

[dense flicker]

100-200 over is usually good

lol what

[livid girder]

Yes Yes Yes

Looks like the seller really wants you to buy

[dense flicker]

[dire pike]

so here is one in which they claim that under load a 1650 peaks at a little over 80W

here is another that claims over 80W at idle

[dense flicker]

lol wait i am being super dumb

300w will be okay

but id go to 400 or 450

[dire pike]

& here is pcpartpicker info

400 would probably be better

but you see my confusion, right? with the conflicting data

[dense flicker]

yeah

id get 400

lol

this is completely overkill

https://www.newegg.com/evga-700-gd-100-gd-0700-v1-700w/p/N82E16817438159?Item=N82E16817438159&cm_sp=homepage_dailydeals-_-p1_17-438-159-_-10232019

but

$65 for a 700w psu

just thought id put it out there :D

lmao

[dire pike]

damn i'll have to consider that for a bigger build sometime

rn i'm trying to use an atx flex psu

for like a super tiny build, and the best modular one i've found so far is only 300W

[dense flicker]

gotcha

[dire pike]

but if i can suffer through some cable management if i have to :c

ty for your input 🙂

[gray vapor]

Just wait if they make the 1650 super

[dire pike]

& make it draw only 25W

[jaunty fractal]

that psu deal belongs in tech deals 🔥

[earnest drift]

a 300w PSU is enough for a GTX 1650 and R5 2600

both of them are low power

[gray vapor]

Still would like to be on the safe side of things and at least get a 450w

[earnest drift]

300w is already on the safe side of things...

they combined pull under 200w while gaming

[dire pike]

my goal is to make a living room "console" computer

[gray vapor]

Still always better to have more than what is needed for future upgrades

[dire pike]

sff, low power, not AAA games

[earnest drift]

he won't be upgrading it

and 300w can run upto a 3900x fine if its a good SFX PSU

[gray vapor]

and you can predict the future?

[dire pike]

probably should have led with that

[earnest drift]

yes, console low power PCs aren't meant to get any big upgrades

big GPUs wont even fit

[dire pike]

tbh the gtx 1650 is overpowered for what i want haha

i could go with a 2400G and be satisfied, but it wouldn't fill out the case

😉

[earnest drift]

also, theres not any that I know of which dont require a 6 pin at least

1050ti might be a better option

[dire pike]

did you check the amazon link i posted?

[gray vapor]

https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/14-487-444-V15.jpg

[dire pike]

i'm ~80% sure now that 1650s take power from pcie

some**

[gray vapor]

6 pin also means better overclocking for it

without the additional power the overclocking headroom would be roughly 5% more but because of the 6 pin can go at least 15% more which would be about the same performance as a 4gb RX 570

[dire pike]

well consider that i want it for things like battleblock theater

or castle crashers

or OG fallout

[gray vapor]

If it is retro and indie titles you don't even need a 1650

[dire pike]

agreed, but i would still like a card simply for the satisfaction of a "complete" build

& for whatever reason, mini 1650s are the same price as mini 1060s

[gray vapor]

For games like that you can get away with using a GT 1030 or a RX 550

[dire pike]

true... but then i may as well use a ryzen 5 2400g

maybe i'm in a preference headspace

[gray vapor]

Well to get close enough to the RX 550 performance would have to use a R5 3400G

and that is without overclocking

[dire pike]

really? i didn't know

[gray vapor]

2400G you would have to overclock the Vega 11 in order to have performance similar to the 550

But still for a lot of indie titles like the one's you mentioned you wouldn't need anything that powerful

[dire pike]

i'll consider the 550 for sure. do you know the wattage for it?

[gray vapor]

550 for sure you can use a 300w and it would be way more than enough

For new as well you would be looking at between 80$ to 120$ (depending on the company and the Vram)

like this one as an example https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-550-rx550-2g/p/N82E16814930001

[dire pike]

it also appears to have no cable connection

which is a win in my book

[gray vapor]

Well most low/mid range GPU's wont really require more power

the one's that does tend to are usually the 1050 Ti and 1650 because they have models that requires more power

@dire pike What is the CPU you plan on using?

[dire pike]

I was thinking about a ryzen 5 2600

but i haven't set anything in stone

tbh everything i've decided on is overpowered for what i want

so i suppose it's more about the build than the results

[gray vapor]

Just tossing this there but there is also this one https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-gt-1030-gv-n1030d5-2gl/p/N82E16814125972

The 1030 is like Nvidia's RX 550

Also for any fallout game it tend to love Nvidia more than AMD

[dire pike]

i was under the impression that vega 11 > gtx 1030

i haven't done a lot of research yet though

[gray vapor]

Here this is the 1030 for fallout 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wl1pW4PG9s

[past yacht]

Was planning to get Gigabyte 2070 super white edition, but it seems out of stock. Did they only make a certain amount. Or are they going to be making more

[lone pond]

i would recommend getting a 5700XT over a 2070 Super but thats just me

[gray vapor]

I would recommend a card based on what that person is playing because some games Nvidia would work a lot better and some AMD could work better

[long phoenix]

i would recommend getting a 5700 XT over a 2070S if you don't care about ray tracing

[little slate]

It rwally depends on priorities, 2070S is a more powerful card overall, and has better software. 5700xt is an amazing value for being almost as good as 2070S (beating it in a few titles)

So it falls back on whether people are looking for best bang for their buck, or the best performance they can afford.

[static fern]

I'd go 5700xt if I had an AMD CPU.. 2070S if I had an intel CPU. The reason is because I prefer it that way and hate Frankenstein builds.

PS AMD is cheaper if u wanna save 😉

[earnest drift]

so intel and nvidia is not frakenstein despite being completely different companies?

[gray vapor]

Right now i am using a R5 2600 with a GTX 1660 i don't see any problems and also all the the games i am playing are more suited for Nvidia than AMD GPU's and yes while the RX 570 i used to own was great the performance wasn't that great and ill be honest if i still had the 1050 Ti i would replaced it for the EVGA GeForce GTX 1650 XC which does use additional power from a 6 pin connector but does still use less power when not overclocked but if i overclock the card by at least 25% (which it would be able to handle cause of the 6 pin connector) i would have performance similar to a 4gb RX 580 which i would still only be using about 100w out of the card.

AMD has some great cards out there but not every game it would be supportive which is why people would tend to go for Nvidia cards so they came play on a higher settings or at a high resolution without having to worry about a thing because lets just say as an example that me and someone else is playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider while the 5700 Xt can handle the highest settings if i was to attempt 1440p or 4K i would have to lower the settings to high to get that 60 fps while with the 2070S i could play at 4K on the highest settings still and still get that 60 fps without any problems.

So if someone has like a 900$ maximum budget i would most suggest AMD but if the person has 1500$+ for their max budget i would suggest Nvidia

[static fern]

lol @earnest drift by frankenstein i mean pairing AMD and NVidia together

thats an ew in my book 😛

[sweet lotus]

Currently have a 2700 and 1050ti, looking to upgrade it soon. Should I wait for the supposed 5800xt and things/ does anyone have a rough idea of when they will probably be announced?

[gray vapor]

No one knows if there will be a 5800XT cause right now they have the 5300/XT cards for OEM systems and they are going to release the 5500/XT cards which i honestly feel by the time the 5800/XT would come out and maybe Nvidia would of already released the 3xxx series which by then you would have something like the 3060 that might be on par with the 5800/XT model

If you look back it took like a year for them to make the RX 590 which performance wise was between the 1060 and 1070 and sure may have been cheaper in cost but it did tend to have heat problems as well from what i remember which is why a lot of people were avoiding that card

Well that and a lot of people that tested the 590 to a 580 hardly noticed anything different

[dreamy haven]

I tried to keep my system a single-driver environment by going with a 5700XT to pair with my ryzen 2700X...nothing but issues. much happier with an RTX 2070 now

initial problem was thermal throttling/shutdown/heat

[gray vapor]

Well depends on the case you're using as well

[dreamy haven]

switched out for aftermarket cooler, then the drivers were crap

lol

well fwiw it wasn't due to lack of airflow, that's for sure

got tired of dealing with it and gave up on the idea of Navi for now

still have this sapphire card here now, been procrastinating the RMA process lol

[gray vapor]

Oh ya another good example for AMD vs Nvidia that i remember was Destiny 2 which when i had the 1050 Ti playing on max settings i was getting an average of 54 fps and with the RX 570 i was getting an average of 48 fps and the exact same settings which i had to turn down some settings just to be in the 50's

[long phoenix]

@gray vapor 5700 XT does just fine at 2K though, it's 4K where it struggles compared to 2070S

[dense flicker]

[long phoenix]

k

[dense flicker]

:D

[long phoenix]

so again, unless you want ray tracing specifically, 5700 XT is pretty much the same performance as a 2070S but with a lower price tag

RT or 4K ig

[dense flicker]

the 5700xt is a fantastic card, im just an nvidia fan

ray tracing really isnt worth the price tag, and gaming in 4k is kinda dumb

but if u got the money, 2070s is better imo

[long phoenix]

if you have the money just get the most expensive thing

because higher price means better performance lol

[gray vapor]

You know i said i would have to lower some settings as well right and this is for the popular games that has better support for Nvidia cards which is why there are people that would get a 2070S over a 5700XT

[little slate]

I agree with Karen, 5700xt is one of the best things that's happened to gpu market in past few years, but there's no reason to pretend that's a catch all gpu

Even without Ray tracing, 2070s is just a more powerful gpu, yeah the extra cost may not be worth it for most, but that price difference isn't significant to some

And nvidia software is still significantly better than amd

[past yacht]

I'm just getting the 2070s because of the color. 5700s arent very pleasing to the eye

[dense flicker]

looks good to me

https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-5700-xt-rx-5700-xt-mech-oc/p/N82E16814137465

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-5700-xt-gv-r57xtgaming-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932208?Item=N82E16814932208

https://www.newegg.com/asus-radeon-rx-5700-xt-tuf-3-rx5700xt-o8g-gaming/p/N82E16814126346?Item=N82E16814126346

https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-5700-xt-rx-5700-xt-gaming-x/p/N82E16814137471?Item=N82E16814137471

[livid girder]

ok so just completely slip the red devil

skip*

[long phoenix]

If those extra few frames matter, then okay, spend $100+ more for a 2070S.

[granite juniper]

i would basically ignore all of @dense flicker 's cards minus the gaming x because the red dragon does as good as all of them for cheaper and the tuf is terrible

[dense flicker]

[granite juniper]

[livid girder]

[past yacht]

My color scheme is white lol

I can justify getting a 2070s with my budget. Even if all I'm looking for is color etc.

[gray vapor]

Zovy forgot to mention better driver support

[long phoenix]

Okay?

Literally every driver has issues

You can get plenty of testimony about RTX drivers being shaky at launch

I haven't had any driver issues, so there's my testimony

Talk a bit more when you try the card, alright?

[gray vapor]

But see there is a difference between launch drivers and 5 months from now drivers because when i had the RX 570 there was times i had to roll back the drivers to get things working and for my games to actually run

[long phoenix]

Okay?

I have no driver issues

There you go

[gray vapor]

Ok and how often do you check for updates because Nvidia reminds me if there is an update with AMD i have to actually check to see if there is one

[long phoenix]

I check every once in a while

Is this your evidence for bad drivers lol

[gray vapor]

for the Call of Duty beta game i was wondering how come i was not able to play it until i googled and it said there was a new driver for the game

[long phoenix]

Because it's not great evidence

[gray vapor]

ya because you totally ignored what i said before and said that you have no issues

[long phoenix]

What?

What did I ignore

Go back to playing with your 1660 and stop talking trash about a GPU you haven't even tried

[gray vapor]

Oh but i have tried it

i don't own it but i have tried it

[long phoenix]

5700 XT?

[gray vapor]

yep

[long phoenix]

Well okay

I've had no issues, so I'll say the drivers are good

[gray vapor]

ok but that is only you

[long phoenix]

And a lot of people

People who experience issues tend to be a vocal minority

You're a lot more likely to shout how bad something is than how good it is

I had a blower card XT anniversary edition that worked completely fine after RMA

[wraith pasture]

nvidia and amd both have their problems, they do fix it tho

[long phoenix]

Now I have an AIB card that works completely fine

Ty Theo

[gray vapor]

They do but Nvidia will remind when they have a fix

[wraith pasture]

nvidia doesn't notify users of a hotfix tho

[gray vapor]

from the Nvidia settings on my tool bar when there is an update it pops up saying that there is a new update

[wraith pasture]

is it geforce experiance

[gray vapor]

yes but well when you look on your toolbar it says Nvidia settings so um ya

[wraith pasture]

it doesnt let me know 1/2 the time lololol

until i open it

[gray vapor]

it kept reminding me all this week until i updated it last night

Anyways i am not saying the 5700/XT is a bad card but just that there are times people would need to roll back drivers for certain issues for a newer driver and the only time i had to roll back a driver with Nvidia was when i used the GTS 450 and that was 8 years ago

And if you would look on the AMD site for the latest driver notes they do tell you issues of what might happen for certain displays and/or games which is why people doesn't always update

[wraith pasture]

both teams have same problem

amd has improved a lot since r9 290 days where we'd go without a driver for 3 months at a time

now they pop it out ever few weeks or major game release

[gray vapor]

Well mostly when it is a major game release cause i remember for 2 months the only option i had was the optional drivers

[stuck siren]

I just bought MW and the game keeps crashing. I have an aorus radeon rx 570 and these are the requirements: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 670 / NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1650 or AMD Radeon™ HD 7950 - DirectX 12.0 compatible system. I dont want to buy a whole new graphics card and was wondering if I could use 2 at the same time

[gray vapor]

Did you update to the latest drivers

[stuck siren]

Yes

[gray vapor]

Well the latest drivers is supposed to be a fix for playing that game

[stuck siren]

I went into device manager and it said my graphics card was up to date

[gray vapor]

You have to check from the Adrenaline program

[long phoenix]

Did you get the adrenalin drivers

[stuck siren]

whats that

[gray vapor]

right click on your desktop and you should see it

[stuck siren]

I see the settings for my graphics card. is that it?

[gray vapor]

yes it would be adrenalin

on the bottom left you should see update which you would click on that

and make sure to do the optimized drivers

[stuck siren]

this is the window i see

I dont see anything about adrenalin

[gray vapor]

That is adrenalin

[stuck siren]

Ok

[gray vapor]

bottom left you should see update

do you see it

[stuck siren]

no

sorry

[gray vapor]

This is what the whole thing looks like

[stuck siren]

updates isnt there for me

it starte=s with preferences

[gray vapor]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/radeon-500-series/radeon-rx-500-series/radeon-rx-570 go here and download it

you said RX 570 right

[stuck siren]

yes

[gray vapor]

so click that link and download the latest drivers for your GPU

it will give an updated version of Adrenalin

[stuck siren]

ok thank you

[gray vapor]

np

[timid niche]

so unfortunately whenever i try to install the GPU drivers of my sapphire pulse 5700 xt my pc just shuts off and goes no signal, anyone got any solution for this? atm im just using the Microsoft Display Driver *sigh cant even enjoy the card :(

[lone pond]

You sure it's the right driver?

Try using ddu

[timid niche]

i tried and yeah latest drivers o:

[stuck siren]

@gray vapor I downloaded the links and im stuck on the screen that is looking for hardware

[thick mango]

is the RTX Quadros worth getting for a workstation graphics card?

or is there a better quadro that is LESS pricey for a good workstation rig?

[timid niche]

I got it to work now o.o I used custom installation instead of the express installation :o kinda weird but oh well

[flint stump]

Got a question that may be a little too open-ended here. My mobo has a PCI-E 2.0 x16 slot for graphics, what's the best video card I could plug in there that's still 2.0 (don't want to pay for 3.0 and just immediately bottleneck the thing right now)?

[gray vapor]

You can use 3.0 on 2.0

[little slate]

Just about any gpu should work on a 2.0 16x slot

Without bottleneck

[gray vapor]

But depending on the CPU you're using you might come across a bottleneck

[flint stump]

Ok. I'd think the 2.0 would actually be the bottleneck if I got a 3.0. Good to know.

I'd also be upgrading the CPU. I'm looking at... https://www.newegg.com/amd-fx-8000-series-fx-8350-black-edition/p/N82E16819113284?Description=AM3%2B&cm_re=AM3%2B-_-19-113-284-_-Product

[earnest drift]

2.0 isn't really a bottleneck for most gaming GPUs while gaming

some high end ones might be bottlenecked

on certain games

@thick mango depends on your workload really

some software benefit a lot from the special quadro drivers

others not so much

and even cheap gaming cards can offer similar performance to quadros

by 'cheap' I still mean 2080ti level btw

[flint stump]

Yeah... I don't want to go over $200

Thanks for the info.

It does broaden my possibilities.

[granite juniper]

@flint stump gamers nexus did a video on that and it only got bottlenecked with 2 rtx titans in sli, everything else was fine

[gray vapor]

Eh FX 8350

[flint stump]

Thanks for that, @granite juniper

[tiny galleon]

question, I have A Sapphire Dual-X HD6970 video card. it shows on the required specs that it needs 550W PSU. the card is going in my lil bro's system, he has a 450W. Can the card still be used in that system? And would it cause any issues If I did?

now, his system is an old Vista machine. 2gig stick of DDR2 333MHz and a Dual Core Pentium. I got another system from a customer recently. it has an AMD A10-6800K in it. and a 8gig stick of DDR3 1600MHz RAM. so if it's an issue of using the HD 6970, the A10 has an APU.

[clear summit]

it should be alright I suppose... I guess it's more of a situation of trying for yourself

[faint apex]

@tiny galleon I have the A10-6800K in my rig. The APU sucks. With the recomended system wattage go with whats recommended. Otherwise you will wind up with a no boot situation or when the GPU is under load the system will shut down from a lack of power available to the GPU and CPU. I buily my system and at 1 point had to use a second PSU just to power my GPU before I got my 850 WATT PSU. I was running 2 500 Watt PSU with a adapter on a SATA power to get the second PSU to turn on.

[gray vapor]

Always wanted to build an old APU system just for the dual GPU setup

[stuck siren]

Is AMD crossfire still a thing?

[tiny galleon]

crossfire/SLi is still a thing but it's unofficially dead. most games will not run correctly and you'll have to disable it anyways.

@faint apex So long as the APU is better than or equal to Intel HD graphics accelerator he has currently it's still an upgrade. He doesn't play many modern titles. and the ones he does are not that "modern"

if my Income opens up again I'm going to be Upgrading his System anyways.

[faint apex]

@tiny galleon Yeah the APU would be better than the Intel HD graphics since thats eating system RAM. The APU will as well and the APU in the A10-6800K is a1gb or 1.5gb depending on how much system RAM is available for the APU to dedicate as VRAM

GPU Type: Radeon HD 8670D
Shader cores: 384
Base frequency (MHz): 844

THats what is built in to the A10-6800K for the GPU part

[gray vapor]

For gaming wise now crossfire is pointless

seen so many tests of 2 580's and doing 10% less performance than 1 580

[magic pebble]

certain games are ok in crossfire, but I have ran it personally on my polaris cards and its a waste of time and money overall.

[gray vapor]

I have seen a video of 580's crossfire and 1060 SLI for Crysis 3 and the performance of the game dropped but when used as a single card the performance was better

[granite juniper]

probably due to lack of optimization

[gray vapor]

Crysis 3 is pretty well optimized not like Crysis 2

[magic pebble]

almost nothing is optimized for multi card at this point

[gray vapor]

Well i am also referring to a single GPU for the game being optimized

Overall SLI/Xfire are just mainly used for benchmark tools to get the highest and best scores

There is like a couple of games that would work well for it today but of course not the common game people would play

[magic pebble]

amd isnt even attempting to support crossfire on navi except for in vulkan and dx12. implicit mode has been completely abandoned

[granite juniper]

^

[little slate]

so I know by asking this question, I'll automatically start getting people to recommend a 5700xt, but I have a friend that's got his mind set on getting a 2070 super for his first system

my question is this, is the evga ftw3 version is worth the $80 premium over the black gaming version?

[stuck siren]

I am downloading Adrenalin and the installer is failing to detect my hardware. It is just constantly spinning. it is in my C: drive and don't know what could be preventing it

[oblique cypress]

wow, the 1660 super released, and im here looking like an idiot with my 1660 that i bought in may

cant return now as its been way more than a month since ive bought it

god i hate nvidia sometimes.

[stuck siren]

Oof

[magic pebble]

welcome to computers. your new parts are outdated before you even get them installed.

[tawny wasp]

Does anyone know when this GPU is coming in STOCK? I've been waiting for over 3 weeks

And will it come with Call of Duty?

Any help will be appreciated

[magic pebble]

Are those Canadian dollars cause its a lot cheaper than that now

also no clue when it will be back in stock. I know Aorus is supposed to have some other products available in the first half of November so hopefully those will be in with that shipment.

[tawny wasp]

Thanks a lot

[long phoenix]

@tawny wasp you're welcome

[tawny wasp]

Noice 👌

[robust needle]

GTX 1660 super or GTX 1660

[little slate]

if you've got the money for the super, then definitely the super

[timid niche]

Theres 1660 super? O.O first time i heard hehe, only heard of 1660 ti o:

[lone pond]

nvidia's segmentation is awful, worse than intels

[granite juniper]

1660 Super is like 5% slower and $10 more than 1660, the TI is kind of worthless now

[oblique idol]

1660 Ti is not worthless when building budget gaming pc. Have been using my MSI 1660 ti for 4+ months and have gotten 100+ frames on all games including cod mw, rb6 siege, apex legends, division 2, and so on.

[long phoenix]

@oblique idol with the 1660 Super it is

[granite juniper]

the 1660 Super is 3-5% slower than the 1660 TI, and starting at $229 compared to the TI's $275~

[dense flicker]

and the 1660ti is 5% slower than the 1070

so the 1660 super is a whole 10% worse than a 1070

[long phoenix]

for what half the price

[granite juniper]

and mines like 18% faster than ur 1070

for $70 less nub

[dense flicker]

so you got paid 70 to take the 1070ti?

because my 1070 was free

[granite juniper]

how much did ur dad pay tho

3 0 0

[dense flicker]

woah woah woah i thought we were comparing what we got our graphics cards for

[granite juniper]

no

[dense flicker]

my dad is not involved

[long phoenix]

RX 5700 > GTX 1070

[granite juniper]

whoever bought it

[dense flicker]

well then yes

it was $300

but i got it for free

[granite juniper]

technically i did too

my dad bought it

and i tipped him $226 for the free gpu

[dense flicker]

[granite juniper]

[candid quarry]

1660ti is actually a bit faster than a 1070 but not by a lot

[dense flicker]

NO ITS NOT

[candid quarry]

It is

[long phoenix]

gr

fake news

[granite juniper]

actually it is

[candid quarry]

Sorry to say

[dense flicker]

USERBENCHMARK WOULD NEVER LIE TO ME 😭

[long phoenix]

not enough VRAM

[candid quarry]

Userbenchmark

[granite juniper]

L

[candid quarry]

Never use userbenchmark it’s pretty bad

[granite juniper]

@dense flicker smh it tells the truth

[dense flicker]

WELL

IT DOESNT MATTER

BECUASE

[granite juniper]

"i got it for free"

[dense flicker]

MY MONITOR CAN ONLY SHOW 75 FPS ANYWAYS

[granite juniper]

imagine not having a 1440p 144hz monitor

1080 P l E b

[long phoenix]

my monitor can show 144 FPS

[dense flicker]

NOBODY ASKED ZOVYRA

[long phoenix]

my GPU is better than yours

[granite juniper]

go back to ur gamer keyboard

[dense flicker]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[candid quarry]

You should get a 1080p 144hz monitor, you’d be able run esports titles in 144fps and maybe some other AAA games if you crank down the settings

[dense flicker]

nah

i think i should stick with my 1080p 75 hz monitor

because

im not gonna spend money on a part thats already good enough

[granite juniper]

because his system cant run 144fps :p

[dense flicker]

YES

IT

CAN

[granite juniper]

[royal copper]

75hz is kinda low

[dense flicker]

i think it looks fantastic

[fallen schooner]

You're fantastic

and I thought the same thing Zack

until I got 144hz

and now 240hz

[long phoenix]

1440p 144Hz

[fallen schooner]

75hz is now poo

[royal copper]

I have 240 it is amazing

[dense flicker]

i gotta get a new headset before anything

before this one falls apart for good

[royal copper]

I have like $2 headphones

Trying to save up for new ones

[candid quarry]

Typically my upgrade order would be the pc itself, then a monitor, then peripherals and then accessories

[dense flicker]

my monitor good

my pc good

my headphones bad

i wanna get corsair void elites

but $100 is a lot of money 😭

[wraith pasture]

[oblique cypress]

his pc good, his monitor cant display it

LMAO poor zACK

[livid girder]

No you need to get some random $2000 pair from senheiser @dense flicker

[oblique cypress]

PL3BIAN

below 144hz monitor= bAd

[static fern]

below 240hz monitor= tERRIBAd

[sacred vessel]

Is 120 good for sapphire rx 580? Used pls@ me

[long phoenix]

@sacred vessel nitro or pulse? Regardless it's decent

[grave valley]

hey guys, so I have a Radeon 580 that I have been using for a few moths now. At first I was mostly just playing Apex with it, and everything was happy in 144hz land

but then I started playing destiny

and now I have thermal throttling issues

Anyone have a idea for a cooling solution?

months

not moths

when I launch the game it's 90fps land, but an hour or so later it's 80...then 70...then 60...then 50...then the game crashes

I could just try lowering the resolution, anisotropy, etc, but I love how it looks rn...

[long phoenix]

@grave valley adjust the fan curve?

[grave valley]

yeah I was thinking about doing that

I'm messing with the settings right now

about to try playing some more with a log going

[long phoenix]

That should help

I think curve is default set to max of 42%

[fallen schooner]

yikes

40% is my minimum, always lol

[long phoenix]

Yeah good idea

Idk why the wattman curve is such crap

[lone pond]

noise most likely

[lone pond]

Depends a lot on power management setings in windows/bios/driver etc too.
But if the card's not set to idle, a fan curve like the one above is a smart choice.

[grave valley]

The new curve and the chill setting seems to have the problem under control

[magic pebble]

good to hear

[karmic island]

There's a 1660 super now?

[fallen schooner]

yerp

[gray vapor]

It is similar to the Ti model

for most games the super is about 5 fps at most from the Ti model

and i mean below it

[karmic island]

i have a 1660ti, kind of waiting for 2070 super to drop in price

[gray vapor]

Wait for the next RTX series i would say

[granite juniper]

Nvidia cards don’t really drop in price much outside of sales or new amd cards releasing

[fallen schooner]

see #500103010299412491 @granite juniper 😉

[granite juniper]

i saw

but it could also just be the 5500 which is already announced

[tiny galleon]

I wish I could figure out what was up with this 980ti, be nice if I could use it again instead of this RX550.

[karmic island]

what's wrong with it?

I was kinda thinking of holding out till end of next year to get a new video card because I've heard rumors next gen consoles are supposed to run 4k 60FPS with ray tracing

[dense flicker]

we will see about that

maybe it will be 4k and 60fps and raytracing

but the rest of the graphics?

(that last picture i sent was actually from real life and it was exactly noon and it looked funny lol)

[karmic island]

yeah that last pic looks like its from roblox

[dense flicker]

people always hate roblox

there are some good games on there

[karmic island]

i don't know mind it and im an adult

i think there's some fun games with it

[dense flicker]

plus its free

[karmic island]

same with apex legends but its poop

[dense flicker]

apex is fantastic

[karmic island]

and i don't see how next gen consoles are going to run 4k 60fps with ray tracing, even 2080 ti has issues with it

[dense flicker]

its all perspective really

[karmic island]

eh, im not a fan of apex really, but i play more hardcore shooters like insurgency sandstorm, or hell let loose

makes you wonder what type of gpu they'll be using to achieve that in a console and how they'll keep it affordable enough

[dense flicker]

pc is cheaper than console :D

imagine having to pay for online services.

[karmic island]

i mean yeah but then with pc you have like..for example total war games, all of the packs you can buy lol

[dense flicker]

microtransactions?

those are optional

consoles have DLC too

[karmic island]

but doesnt pc gaming kind of go at the pace console gaming goes?

because devs make games for console first, mostly, I think?

[versed terrace]

No most of the time the updates release on pc before console

[magic pebble]

depends, some games are developed for consoles and get horrible ports to PC

[versed terrace]

Yea

[magic pebble]

its less of an issue since modern consoles are basically pc's

[dense flicker]

xbox runs on windows 10

a version of it

[versed terrace]

Like rdr2 just got over to pc a little bit ago

[dense flicker]

nah

its still not out

2 more days

HOLY CRAP

THAT REMINDS ME

[magic pebble]

but in olden times what was an epic games on ps3 would be unplayable

[dense flicker]

2 MORE DAYS TILL I GET MY BRACES OFF

[magic pebble]

on pc

[karmic island]

LOL

[magic pebble]

and devs didn't care because they made their money on sales

no hope of ever getting support or proper patches unless the community hacked the game

[echo kraken]

Hence why halo is just now making it's way to pc officially

[versed terrace]

Lol

[magic pebble]

Its amazing how a well funded team of devs can't fix something but give the code to the community and they can fix it and maintain it for years

Halo games on PC have and never will be a priority

They have managed to do a lot to keep Halo:CE still going which I commend Bungie for doing after all these years. But they want the players on console. Halo sells a lot of xboxes

[echo kraken]

I was talking about MCC which should be coming out by the end of 2019 hopefully

[coarse lark]

Hey I’m upgrading a SFF pc. I really want the 1050Ti but I found a EVGA GT 1030 OC for $76

[dense flicker]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-OC-4GB-GDDR5/323961872392?epid=4021689123&hash=item4b6da1e008:g:-00AAOSwVSpdtwiH

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Geforce-GTX-1050ti-Game-Ready-DirectX-12-OC-Edition-4GB-GGDR5-CPU-Video-Card/312824491080?hash=item48d5caec48:g:R1oAAOSw1Updk69t

@coarse lark if you got just a bit more, this one will be fantastic

https://www.ebay.com/itm/GIGABYTE-GAMING-RX570-8GB-GRAPHIC-VIDEO-CARD-VGC-QTY-AVAIL/183998448873?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item2ad72984e9:g:nGYAAOSwkgZdElso

[livid girder]

used rx570 would be a better choice imo

if he's willing to extend a bit

[coarse lark]

I have to the low profile. So that limits me

Have*

[dense flicker]

ohhh

i see

[livid girder]

ah

[coarse lark]

Yea I’m not too bright. Lol.

[dense flicker]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-Geforce-GTX-1050-Ti-OC-Low-Profile-4GB-GDDR5-128-Bit-PCI-E-Graphic-Card/372822905630?epid=11030515113&hash=item56cdfa131e:g:qUAAAOSwU2Jdubtf

this one has a lot of bidders

but thought id put it out there

[livid girder]

Low profile titan rtx

[coarse lark]

Haha. Wow the price on the titan. Lol. Karen that Gigabyte is my ideal one.

[sacred vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FT4cYH can someone change the graphics card apparently armor is bad

[gray vapor]

Armor is not bad just the model type of what you picked is bad

@sacred vessel This is the better Armor card but of course costs more https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xH448d/msi-radeon-rx-580-8gb-armor-mk2-oc-video-card-rx-580-armor-mk2-8g-oc

[sacred vessel]

@gray vaporwhy is the mk2 better

Or rather why is my choice bad

[gray vapor]

The one you picked is usually the cheaper overall model which does get a little warm at times and the fans does get pretty loud

But most people would end up buying that one because it is always cheaper and tends to go on sale often

[sacred vessel]

The mk2

?

@gray vapor

[gray vapor]

The one you picked i am talking about not the MK2

MK2 is better quality

[sacred vessel]

Oh I see thx

[gray vapor]

If you really want a RX 580 i would really suggest going with a company like Sapphire or PowerColor

@sacred vessel This would be better overall https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y2DzK8/sapphire-radeon-rx-580-8gb-pulse-video-card-11265-05

[sacred vessel]

@gray vaporwhich would be better 400 is the budget useed

[coarse lark]

I’m looking at a Yeston Radeon RX 550 4gb low profile for $83. Better than an EVGA GT 1030 2gb? Thoughts?

[long phoenix]

@coarse lark you can EASILY find a used R9 290X or 390 with 8GB VRAM on ebay and it would be way better

[coarse lark]

Thank you! Can either one of those work in small form factor (low profile) pc?

[long phoenix]

No idea :l

Maybe a blower idk

[coarse lark]

Okay

[long phoenix]

No idea about low profile stuff

[coarse lark]

They both are full size cards.

I could always cut the case and have a gpu sticking out. Lol

[granite juniper]

what case?

[coarse lark]

I’m fixing up an HP Compaq Pro 6005 SFF

Have an old GT 730 2GB GDDR5 in now.

That low profile RX 550 4GB should be a good upgrade.

[wraith pasture]

[coarse lark]

So my GT 730 just died.

[livid girder]

[wispy crystal]

Wack

[wispy crystal]

Need some advice, I got a 1600x900, 75 hz monitor (says 60 in settings, I've checked), and rn a RX 570 8 GB. I'm debating on getting a 1660S, but I feel like it wouldn't be worth it because the monitor I have. Should I settle for a 590 instead?

[wraith pasture]

because of the monitor?

i mean...

what is the frame rate you are targeting?

[wispy crystal]

Probably 75 on high/very high. Idk yet.

[gray vapor]

@coarse lark the performance between the 550 4gb and the 2gb 1030 gaming wise is roughly 2-5 frames difference but for games like Overwatch as an example the 550 would be better

You can also try and see if you can win bids on these which is a lot better than any 550/1030 https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-GTX1050Ti4GTLP-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1050Ti-4GB-GDDR5-Low-Profile-Graphics-Card/123962942654

It should include the low profile bracket as well

[tiny galleon]

@wispy crystal Honestly, the 1660S is a great buy. Regardless of your choice I would look at getting a new Monitor next. bump up to 1080p. the 1660S can 1080p 60+ FPS all day long.

[gray vapor]

non super sill gets 60+ fps at 1080p

[granite juniper]

I feel like nvidia killed the 1660+ti with the 1660S. It’s $10 msrp more than the 2660, and like 5-8% slower than the TI. But that’s just me

[gray vapor]

Nvidia always kills their own products cause remember they killed the 2070 with a the 2060S

[granite juniper]

yea

but the 16xx are so new it’s surprising

[frank fox]

Hi quick question on the rx500 series

Trying to buy one during upcoming blackfriday/other sales and wondering if 570 or 580 are still okay to buy

Limited to about 400~500 budget and not sure if 590 will cut the budget line even after sales.

[livid girder]

is this us dollars?

or what currency

[magic pebble]

Ya the 5700xt can be had in that price range unless you are trying to buy more than just the gpu with that amount.

[oblique idol]

I think he means the whole pc will be budget.

[coarse lark]

MSI Radeon RX 560 4gb or MSI GTX 1050 Ti?

[wispy crystal]

Prob should just shoot for a 570 instead of a 560, closer in price, beats the 1050 TI

If you don't care about it being MSI or not, there is an 8 gb 570 card by XFX for $159.99

[frank fox]

Yeah sorry should have been more clear. USD and I have a processor and the budget is for whole pc

[wispy crystal]

@coarse lark

[coarse lark]

Thanks Christian, i forgot to add I need low profile for SFF.

[wispy crystal]

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-570-100412p4gitxl/p/N82E16814202311?item=N82E16814202311&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-video+cards+-+amd%2Fati-_-N82E16814202311&gclid=Cj0KCQiA2ITuBRDkARIsAMK9Q7OX0KjXSyjZ8wTd9N-97cHAz2wFLrq96BcdrZLVcTTxK90OnkSfzqcaAg27EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Here's a low profile, 4gb 570 I found, not sure how good it is as I've never had a low profile gpu

You did mean low-profile in the sense of a shorter GPU, right?

[wispy crystal]

So I see a 2060, brand new, $310 (not inclueing tax). Should I get it?

[worldly crow]

u guys ever hear of cutting edge gamer?

[scarlet cove]

What do I do if my gpu fans aren’t spinning

[livid girder]

Is it under load?

usually fans don't kick in until it reaches a certain temp

[cold stream]

Doesnt afterburner work for non msi cards too

[dense flicker]

yes

[mellow trout]

hi everyone

i need some help with a low profile graphics card for several computers at my work

i have spent about 3 hours researching and a call to HP but no one can find me a card that will fit the tower

Anyone here want to try and help me?

[oblique cypress]

what is the size of your case

[mellow trout]

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02076531

the size for the width of graphics card is 2 inches

[lone pond]

You always remove the rear mounting bracket with a screwdriver

[mellow trout]

i am talking to a few other people and they suggested the MSI Gaming GeForce GT 710

and said i can remove the vga off of it

[lone pond]

I've sen people remove the DVI slots from dual slot card with a dremmel

[mellow trout]

lol

i idealy need cards that support a display port and a hdmi as both my monitors are identical and have display and hdmi inputs