graphics-cards

[obtuse spindle]

https://www.newegg.com/black-corsair-obsidian-series-500d-rgb-se-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811139126

[fleet forge]

ok thx gg

[grand pelican]

go directly for Gygabite waterforce 2080ti lol

looks like this

[lone pond]

damn that's pretty

[lone pond]

How good are Walmart PC's lol

I walked by one and saw a rog logo but I didn't stop

$1500

It looked really badly put together

[paper magnet]

@grand pelican sexy setup bro

[rough harness]

Some of them are ok... each component will determine if it’s worth the price.. you can always re route cables if they did a poor job. But 1500$ and Walmart.... would probably be safer building your own and be safe. Lol

[gritty quartz]

Agreed

[little slate]

are we talking about the walmart brand PCs where they only give you 1 stick of ram, use a wrong motherboard, and flue the USB C connector to the mobo?

[grand tinsel]

damn that cable management tho

[oblique cypress]

lmao

[idle iron]

What’s a not much more expensive gpu that’s better than a 1660ti

[obtuse spindle]

by not much more expensive, how much do you mean?

[oblique cypress]

he prob means an rtx

[topaz hornet]

Should I get an RTX 2060 Super or RTX 2070?

They are the same price

[obtuse spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lJcEO8Ys4M

[topaz hornet]

Thanks

[grand tinsel]

2060 super = 1080

[cold stream]

This makes it seem like they needed to not even launch the original rtx

[rough harness]

They probably had the supers as the first cards... then said “let’s wait for AMD to do something” then release these as a new card. Lol

[cold stream]

I'm not sure but I feel really bad for anyone that actually got a 2070 for $500

[grand tinsel]

ewww

2070 for 500

[warped sable]

Even worse

I spent $800 on a 2080

Cause it was the x trio version so extra cash

[violet kite]

I spent $450 on a 2070 a month or so ago.

I'm pretty happy with it, you can't really keep up with bleeding edge tech nowadays, and the few FPS performance difference between video cards means if you even bought into this generation of GPUs at all; you're set for a long time.

[oblique cypress]

yeah

[half sapphire]

so the RTX 2060 Super prices are gonna drop to 350 or so I heard?

[obtuse spindle]

i very seriously doubt that

[oblique cypress]

nah

prob stay at the same price for a while

wouldnt be worth, rtx 2060 super is a bit better than 5700xt which is priced at like 400 and more

[flint pebble]

are there any issues with replacing the thermal 💩 inside of an RTX 2080 Ti 11gb Black Edition?

or would replacing it even give any/enough benefits in improvement to even bother?

with cryonaut liquid metal that is

errrr...Conductonaut

[violet kite]

I wouldn't mess with it, liquid metal eats through certain kinds of metals and can cause shorting if you don't know how to apply it or where you're applying it to and how it'll interact.

Plus the differences between liquid metal and high-quality thermal paste seem to be nill.

I think liquid metal is better off being used on a delidded CPU, otherwise, I don't think it's a good idea?

[hexed mulch]

Might as well scratch the surface of the cpu and put gallium LOL.

[dreamy haven]

yeah...I wouldn't use conductonaut on a GPU

and once you use it on a CPU's IHS, it's near impossible to clean completely

you essentially need to lap the CPU to get rid of any remaining traces of gallium, etc

it's messy to apply if you're not very careful

[fickle sundial]

Best GPU for playing games like PUBG and ARK 1080p60fps under $350? Opinions?

[cold stream]

1660 ti

[little slate]

the RTX 2060 fits in that budget too

or RX 5700 if you're into AMD

[worldly crow]

if i had to get a 2060 it would have to be super they gave it 2 more GB ram

[little slate]

but it's also $50 more expensive, which busts his budget

[worldly crow]

idk to me the 50 is more worth it plus u get wolfenstein 2 free

[cold stream]

$50 for 2gb vram is like the best $50 you could spend

like that's insane

[worldly crow]

im either gonna get the rx 5700xt or better, or ill get the 2070 super.

dont know if i wanna buy into the x570 prices just for pcie4

[cold stream]

$160 ain't bad

wym

[grand tinsel]

does anyone know how to fix missing file privilege on steam

oh nvm just had to run it as admin ]

[unreal solstice]

What do you guys think on the gtx 1660 ti as a budget graphics card? Please ping me.

[worldly crow]

have any issues with used cards?

u can get a nice 1070 for like 225

@unreal solstice

i got mine from my local facebook marketplace

[unreal solstice]

hmm

Ill look around for something like that

Thank you!

[worldly crow]

no problem\

[bitter estuary]

Does anybody know how well the 1070 handles 2K gaming?

[dense flicker]

id guess pretty good

[bitter estuary]

Yeah, but at what FPS I wonder...

[dense flicker]

oh

that i do not know

[lone pond]

@bitter estuary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d32eVixz2h0

[worldly crow]

i play some games at 4k with a r7 1700 @ 3.8ghz and a evga gtx 1070 SC 2k definately

[grand tinsel]

yikes

had to upgrade my psu for my new graphics card

[granite juniper]

Incase anybody wants a cheaper 2060 and is fine with open box https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-GeForce-RTX-2060-VENTUS-XS-6G-OC-Graphics-Card-No-NVLink-and-VR-Ready/133113384128?epid=22031089961&hash=item1efe2d0cc0:g:n70AAOSwbzpdJm7b

[fallen schooner]

wouldn't trust an open box ebay.

[topaz hornet]

Well, it’s just used

[quick egret]

should i get a 2060 super 2070 or 5700xt?

[dense flicker]

you want ray tracing @quick egret

?

[shy pike]

Hey guys, im in a bit of a pickle, so I'm currently debating on getting a 2060s or 2070s, the reason I'm contemplating is because most of the 2070s are out of stock. Should I get a 2060s or a 2070s?

[rough harness]

Wait for another 15 days and get a 2080s

[quartz gull]

I'd actually wait a bit. See once more people start buying supers and the old rtx cards go out of stock new, the old rtx cards will be much cheaper used

[rough harness]

👆👆👆👆

[quartz gull]

Since the 2060 super is $400 and is equal to a 2070 a used 2070 might drop to around $350~

I'm already seeing used. 2060's sell for $280

[shy pike]

Does anyone know when the 2070s will be back in stock?

[quartz gull]

Normal ones?

[shy pike]

The AIB ones

[quartz gull]

Probably won't see much more normal 2070's. Nvidia has discontinued production of the 2070

It's all 2070 supers now

[oblique cypress]

mhm

they gonna stop selling soon

not yet tho

[quartz gull]

The 2070 super is the same price as the old 2070 though. It's like how the 10 series kept selling for a bit even though it was discontinued. It's until vendors run out of stock

[shy pike]

Sorry, I did mean to say the 2070 supers, cuz for the past week they've been out of stock

[quartz gull]

Once they run out of stock they're not restocking because they can't get the chipsets form Nvidia anymore. Also

The 2070 super has really bad availability rn

Nvidia didn't make enough of the chipsets for vendors because they underestimated sales. It should be back within a few weeks

Nvidia is playing it safe after what happened with the 10 series. They over produced then had way too much stock.

[shy pike]

Dang ok, kinda wanted to get a 2070 super before summer ended

[quartz gull]

You could always pay the mark up on eBay if you're that desperate, I wouldn't recommend that though.

[tiny galleon]

Alright so I'm in a similar dilemma as several others above me. I'm looking at video cards and my Goal is 1080p@60fps (60Hz panel) with some potential later on when i upgrade my Panel. Personally the 1660 ti is my preference. It's got power for a cheap price, and I don't really care about ray tracing. However, my Personal rig is also going to be a show rig for my Business, I don't like things sitting around not getting used. When I goto local events to advertise my PC building Business I want something that can be pretty as well. I also intend on a custom water loop based around a themed build. So I'm considering the 2070, 2070s or a 5700XT. now there's next to no blocks out for the 5700XT yet. EKWB has one. and from what i saw on Gamer's Nexus the Card could really benefit from Water Cooling. from what I found the 1660ti and RTX 2060 have a similar enough layout that Waterblocks are compatible with each other. So I'm in a dilemma on where to go. Mostly between a 2070 or 5700XT, I would love to have an all AMD system(3700X is my CPU goal with 16G of 3600 DDR4) I'm just skeptical after watching GN's review of the 5700XT.

[quartz gull]

While the 5700XT is a good card, it's suffering with it's drivers rn. The performance should increase once they can fix some performance issues. Have you considered getting a used 2060-2070?

[tiny galleon]

Yeah I was thinking about a Used 2060/2070. I live in the Midwest and there's next to none around me. I would need to drive no less than an hour maybe 2 to get a used one at an Ok price. I'm not worried about the driver issue since the build is still a month or more before I even start getting the parts. Also, I should have no issues running a 5700XT on a X470? based on information from multiple sources PCIe is backwards compaitble and the higher bus speeds are rarely utilized by Video cards. even though they're 16x most run at 4x and 8x speeds, if I remember correctly.

[bitter estuary]

PCIE 4.0 is only useful with NVME SSD's right now, nothing else uses that kind of bandwidth. So you are absolutely right.

[tiny galleon]

That's what I was thinking. R7 3700X, 16G of DDR4 3600(GN mentioned its the sweat spot for 3000), Gigabyte x470 Aorus Ultra Gaming(Orange accents), possibly a 5700XT or a RTX 2060/2070. I already have my case, a 1TB HDD, 240G SSD, and 650W PSU (EVGA B+). Now I may need to up the PSU and if so, I plan to get a Modular one and order some custom Cables from CableMod. then I'll start on the real work, the Case Mods and Custom Water Loop. when Finished I should have a good Gaming and Streaming Rig that looks pretty for the Events it'll goto.

[potent kindle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/ce1v0g/the_differences_between_gpu_variants_a_indepth/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

[sinful bobcat]

He never gave us a chance

[lone pond]

Maybe he wanted neweggplays instead 🤔

[valid bane]

Will Best Buy be getting any of the Super Cards?

[dusk dew]

Probably

[rough harness]

Can only assume so...

But why? Online gives you free crap... like games...

[valid bane]

Well this is just for the 2070 super, literally cant find it anywhere. I was just wondering if they would have stock at best buy soon

[little slate]

why would you ask on a newegg discord if best buy will have stock of a GPU?

[oblique cypress]

lmao that just takes some guessing, googling and maybe some common sense

a bit weird to ask sure

[valid bane]

cause this is america

I buy off newegg anyways i was just wondering stock wise

[fallen schooner]

newegg wouldn't know about bestbuy stock.

lol

[little slate]

neither would any random people here

[valid bane]

u dont know that

[dreamy haven]

SSDD

chuckles to himself

[silver ermine]

Honest answer on best buy though, For most tech things, it depends on the size of the store and are typically 2-6 weeks behind launch date if they are going to carry it.

And on top of that no one at the stores know until they are on the way to their store if they will get them.

Why online retailers like newegg have always been nice as they typically get almost all launch day stuff.

[valid bane]

Thank you @silver ermine for actually helping me

[silver ermine]

No problem. I just gave an honest answer on what I've been told about a lot of the stuff. That sadly still comes up with the TLDR that no one knows but you at least have a timeframe.

[valid bane]

Honestly at this point if they don’t restock before the 2080 super I’ll just buy that the second it launches

But I have until the 23rd to wait

[chilly zealot]

I thought I read that there wasn't going to be a 2080 super

[jagged tapir]

Theres going to be a 2080 super

No 2080 ti super though

[vale chasm]

Yikes

I need a upgrade from a 1060 6gb but not over $300 preferably

[topaz hornet]

1660 Ti is the best under $300

Or Vega 56

[violet kite]

The Vega 56 has some oddities, but it's a good card.

I'd hop on now though, cause I'm pretty sure the Vega cards are being discontinued, so prices are gonna go wonky.

[dreamy haven]

https://imgur.com/gallery/Kp90DBt

glad it all fit proper lol

definitely 'fixed' my 5700 XT though...

hmm...guess it didn't link the page

[fallen schooner]

oh dang that's hot

you like that aftermarket cooler?

how are the temps?

nm I read it

30c difference is crazy!

that cooler is a beast lol

[dreamy haven]

yeah I like it

definitely had the desired effect, and for less than watercooling it would have cost

[weak sable]

@dreamy haven Hows your 5700xt running? I really want the anniversary one but everyones on the hype train about the stock blowers being crappy :c

[rough harness]

Never owned a blower card... I can’t give any true experience on them... but I’ve heard the read the same thing

[oblique cypress]

just search up on google blower gpu vs open air

there's a article about that, they said for a convential build, open air gpus would be recommended bec there's more airflow, but if you went with a min itx build, they would recommend the blower cards

[weak sable]

That's exactly what im doing, mini-ITX 3900x build

[oblique cypress]

then a blower gpu would better suit you

[weak sable]

Anniversary edition here I come 😍

[molten laurel]

Recently upgraded from a blower type RX 580 to a rtx 2060 which I copped from the newegg sale 😃 and the sound difference is insane. On full load the rx 580 sounded like a jet engine lol

[woeful loom]

what do you guys think about the raedon 2700xt compared to a 1050ti

[dense flicker]

@woeful loom you mean the 5700xt?

if so, the 5700xt blows the 1050ti outta the water

and then some

[molten laurel]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/3649vs4045

If you're in the 1050ti gpu price range go for a rx 570 or 580. Almost twice the performance for roughly the same price

[oblique cypress]

dont compare a high end gpu with a low end one

[dense flicker]

y not

[oblique cypress]

it's more fitting to compare it with a rx570 for example

there's no point to compare low end gpus with high end gpus, bec everyone knows the high end is better

[dense flicker]

...

we all know a 2070 is better than a 2060, right?

just like how a 1080 is better than a 1050

but people wanna know how much better

seeing numbers and percentages makes them feel better about their purchase

oOhhhhHhHHH THIS GPU IS 1000% BETTER THAN MY CURRENT ONE 👀👀👀👀

[dreamy haven]

do you compare a ferrari to a yugo?

[dense flicker]

nevermind

[dreamy haven]

lol

[oblique cypress]

that's what i meant.

ofc people wanna compare, i just said nobody cares about comparing high end stuff to super low end stuff

read that through, make sure you understand it, then understand it and move on

[dense flicker]

he might not know that its a high end card

judging by how he called it the raedon 2700x

[silver ermine]

Meh, Comparisons are good. It's good to compare how good and how it compares to other things. Especially if your not to familiar with this stuff. Obviously a 2070 is better than a 2060, but when you start changing brands and stuff it's not as clear.

Personally I like to know how much better, in games I play. Like if it's only 5 FPS better in a game I play a lot. Price may determine which to choose very easily.

[rough harness]

That’s how I judged my 1070 vs 2080 or 2080ti... looked at the gap in performance

[oblique cypress]

exactly

[rough harness]

Seen a 135% boost from 1070 to 2080ti... and was sold! Lol

Sold the 1070 for 220$ and helped pay for the 2080ti... covers the gap from 2080 to the TI.

[dreamy haven]

I saw a 2080Ti drop below $1k AMIR the other day, think it was an MSI Ventus model

[jaunty fractal]

found one new on craigslist for $850 lol

[woeful loom]

I already have a msi 1050 ti. I was thinking of upgrading to the 5700xt

[lone pond]

@woeful loom The 5700xt will be quite the upgrade but make sure you get a fan cooled model, not the blower and the blower cooled models get too hot and start to thermal throttle.

[woeful loom]

Thank you. Would 2060 or 2070 super be better

[lone pond]

@woeful loom This will answer that question quite well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-idMDjwRgk

[woeful loom]

Thank you.

[lone pond]

You're welcome.

[long phoenix]

5700XT matches 2060 and 2070 Super in a lot of games at 1080p and 1440p but loses pretty badly at 4K

5700XT actually trades blows with 1080Ti at 1080p and 1440p

Both comparisons done at high/ultra graphics

But yeah just make sure to get a better fan or liquid cooling because they run hot as hell

It just doesn't have ray tracing, but ray tracing kills performance rn and probably won't be mainstream in games for a few more years

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-5700-xt-overclocked,39916.html

[rough harness]

Nice

[brazen tree]

Hi!
I have a quick tech question about my GPU, can I link my Radeon RX 590 to the PSU with this one connector cable or do I need 2 separate from PSU??
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Athena-Power-CABLE-YPCIE628-6-PCIE-6-pin-Y-Split-to-Two-PCIE-2-0-8-6-2-pin-C/181392033950?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

[unreal wren]

just use two separate ones

id reccomend not buying sketchy things from ebay

[brazen tree]

From Newegg

On ebay, but is there any reason why this Y style won't be any good?

Can you give me a reference to a connector that would be ideal also? Please?

[civic lance]

I see a lot of people that say the 5700 XT is the best bang for the buck GPU. However several reviews say the stock blower design hits 95C+ and throttles durign gaming and the ones with aftermarket cooling will probably cost $20-$50 more, so that has an effect on pricing and bang for the buck. If the price is raised $20 to $50 to get a 5700 XT with an aftermarket cooler design that doesn't throttle, is it still the same value?

[granite juniper]

yeah

and some cards are gonna be msrp

[long phoenix]

I at least plan on getting a liquid cooling setup for my GPU so a bad blower shouldn't be a big problem

[worldly crow]

can you use the same blocks for a say rtx 2070 and use it on a rtx 2070 super? or will they require new blocks

[long phoenix]

I'm not sure, that'll take some looking into

[granite juniper]

Iirc they use the block larger, the 2060 super uses 2070, 2070 super uses 2080, and 2080 super will use 2080 ti block

[ruby horizon]

I game on a 580.

[granite juniper]

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/ek_confirms_water_block_compatibility_with_nvidia_s_rtx_2070_super/1

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/ek_confirms_water_block_compatibility_with_nvidia_s_rtx_2070_super/1

[ruby horizon]

I run fortnite at like 3 frames all low settings 480 o

[lone pond]

lol an RX 580 does way better than that in fortnite

3fps? yeah right, lol

[wide mango]

ya i dont believe it

i do way better than that with a 750 ti

[ruby horizon]

oh i meant gt 580

but i forgot those are good

oop

[wraith pasture]

@wide mango ▶️ 9. No e-begging, or selling on this server.

[wide mango]

o

[lone pond]

Just got an rtx 2080!

[little slate]

I hope you got a good deal on it, because with the 2070 super price now, and the 2080 super right around the corner, the regular 2080s aren't worth getting.

[reef pike]

Congratulations Vapor!

[long phoenix]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-5700-XT-50th-Anniversary-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2080/m845537vs4026

The RX is $450

Both have strengths and weaknesses benchmark wise, I've only seen the normal XT on actual game FPS benchmarks though

[reef pike]

Woahh

[plucky dagger]

evga 1080ti ftw3 for 800, nib....cop or drop ?

[reef pike]

800 U. S dollars?

[plucky dagger]

yes including shipping

[reef pike]

Hmmmm

I mean it's one hell of a discount

[plucky dagger]

i was gonna wait for 2070 super but i cant even find one in stock

[reef pike]

But I don't know how it compares to more modern hardware

[plucky dagger]

yeah true

no ray tracing or any of that cool rtx stuff

[reef pike]

Are you super limited with your budget?

[little slate]

I'm confused, how's $800 a discount for a 1080ti?

[reef pike]

It's FTW3

[plucky dagger]

thats like sale price from evga brand new

slightly cheaper actually

$870 is what you would pay from them if you got it on sale

their like 1400 on newegg lol not that that means anything

[little slate]

no it doesn't, because those prices are super inflated because the cards are discontinued

I don't know why you would ever pay more for a 1080 ti than a 2080

[reef pike]

It's FTW3, it's comparable to a 2080

[little slate]

I know it's comparable to 2080

[reef pike]

But I don't think it's worth it

[little slate]

you can buy a 2080 on newegg right now for $630

[plucky dagger]

yeah idk if its worth it for old tech honestly

[reef pike]

^

[plucky dagger]

hrmmm

[little slate]

the suggestion alone of paying a penny over that for an outdated GPU is ridiculous

this is coming form someone using a 1080 ti in their system

[reef pike]

A 2070 super has a higher clock speed but less Vram

[little slate]

I paid $870 for my 1080 ti sc2 hybrid 2 years ago

the only point in getting an older piece of hardware, is if it's significantly cheaper than an equivalent new version of said hardware

[reef pike]

^

[little slate]

so unless you can find a 1080ti for $600 or less, there isn't even a point in considering it

[reef pike]

I think a 2070 super or a 2080 would be better @plucky dagger

[plucky dagger]

yeah im looking at other options now i appreciate the input

[red meteor]

agree with @reef pike

[plucky dagger]

i can get msi 2080ti ventus for 999

[red meteor]

really?

999?

[plucky dagger]

969 actually after rebate

[red meteor]

damn didn’t know

[reef pike]

Now that's a good deal

[red meteor]

meanwhile i’m paying 1300 for my strix 2080 Ti

[reef pike]

Do you guys think a 3600 and a 5700XT is a good combo?

[red meteor]

i mean i feel like 1080 Ti is not a good buy, cause the ray tracing with rtx cards

[plucky dagger]

evga XC 2080ti for $1069

[little slate]

looking at current prices on newegg, it's hard to justify getting a 2070 super, when you can get a 2080 for same price or less

[red meteor]

are they on the market yet?

haven’t found any

[plucky dagger]

asus rog trix 2080ti OC for 1100

[little slate]

a 2080 is $630, that's a pretty large drop from even the cheapest 2080 ti

[plucky dagger]

ill probably go with one of those

[red meteor]

yeah 2080 Ti is a bit over kill IMO

[little slate]

they're "on the market", but good luck finding one in stock

[red meteor]

unless you play 8k/4k

then its not

[little slate]

however their existence, and the coming 2080 super, made the 2080 prices drop like crazy.

[plucky dagger]

yeah true

[red meteor]

i noticed that

[little slate]

considering that the 2070 super is basically a poor bin 2080

I'd try to take advantage of the low 2080 prices over 2070 super

[red meteor]

what are the prices?

[reef pike]

But the 2080 is also getting phased out, so support for the card might not be as long as the super cards

[little slate]

unless you're playing at above 1440p, my suggestion would be to avoid spending the 2080 ti money

what support are you talking about?

[reef pike]

Drivers, mostly

[plucky dagger]

i could get a rog strix 2080 oc for $645 seems like that would handle everything i need i dont even game in 4k. 1440p for me

[little slate]

you're joking right?

[red meteor]

oh crap didn’t realize 2060/2070 super were on market

[little slate]

you seriously think the 2080 driver support is going to stop?

[quartz gull]

Yeah, the 2060/2070 is discontinued. @red meteor

[quartz gull]

And driver support is still going for the 550ti lmao

[red meteor]

not 630

[quartz gull]

They're not stopping driver support

[red meteor]

lmao

[plucky dagger]

its 640 at the microcenter by me @red meteor

[red meteor]

oh

[little slate]

you're going to be good for years with a 2080 lol

[red meteor]

at micro center?

[plucky dagger]

yeah, new with a rebate

[little slate]

the card will stop being able to run anything long before driver support ends

[red meteor]

didn’t realize that

[reef pike]

@little slate no, I think they'll drop driver support sooner than the super cards, and the RTX 2060 and 2080 ti

[red meteor]

Wait i thought they are continuing 2060

[reef pike]

They are

[red meteor]

it still shows it as part of the line

[little slate]

@reef pike that is too silly to even talk about

[red meteor]

ok i thought so someone said they weren’t

just wanted to make sure i wasn’t tripping

[little slate]

they're still supporting 7 year old cards right now

[red meteor]

yep lol

its sad my friend has a 460 still...

[reef pike]

Damn I didn't know they get support for that long

@red meteor I got Intel 4000 integrated graphics 😎😎😎

[red meteor]

lol

[quartz gull]

They're going to have the 2060/2070 on their website for a while. Just because they discontinued the 2060/2070 does not mean that stock immediately disappears

[little slate]

no offense, but when trying to give advice to others, at least look into what you're talking about 😒

[red meteor]

@reef pike

[quartz gull]

They had the 10 series still on their website for a good while after they discontinued them. They don't immediately go "to the trash" when they have stock and still can make $$$

Even if they have to slightly discount them.

[red meteor]

they discontinued 1060 then?

[reef pike]

The only two cards that are getting phased out are the *2070 and the 2080

[little slate]

that's false

2060 isn't going anywhere

[red meteor]

2070 and 2080

[reef pike]

^

Sorry I miss typed

[red meteor]

they will have the 2060 still and the 2060 super over top

[plucky dagger]

i dont think the supers are meant to phase out their non super competitiors but instead to give people more options in terms of performace/dollar

right?

[quartz gull]

Can you find me something that says the 2060 chipsets is still in development? Usually even when price hikes they won't keep manufacturing them.

[little slate]

they are for 2070 and 2080

[quartz gull]

They have 2070s on their website but it's confirmed that 2070 chipsets have been completely stopped. It's just companies selling their stock now

[little slate]

@quartz gull why would they stop manufacturing them if they never said anything about discontinuing them?

the 2060 is $350, and the 2060 super is $400, they're at different price points

[reef pike]

@plucky dagger as far as I know, yes, they're being phased out for the super their variants

Either way, the 2070 super will be sold for the same price as a regular 2070, and same with the 2080 super

[little slate]

I very much look forward to 2080 super benchmarks

[reef pike]

Wish i had that kind of budget

[quartz gull]

Yeah, they have me curious

Considering that they have said they're not making a super 2080ti

How close will performance get to it?

[little slate]

@reef pike we all started somewhere

[plucky dagger]

if 900 was the top of your gpu buget you going with the cheapest 2080ti you can find or the nicest 2080 you can find ?

[quartz gull]

My system has a 1060 6gb in it still. My CPU a 8600k. You don't need a huge budget to admire stuff!

Always go with cheaper cards with higher chipsets.

[little slate]

I don't think you could find a 2080ti for 900, unless you're willing to go used or bust your budget

[reef pike]

@fps_noob true

[little slate]

personally, I'd look into a "good" 2080, or wait for 2080 super

[plucky dagger]

for sure

[little slate]

you don't have to spend your whole budget on the gpu... you could spend the rest elsewhere that will help your system

or hell, peripherals make using your computer a nicer experience, you could always put the remainder of your budget into that

[plucky dagger]

everythings set excpet for a gpu!

[reef pike]

What's your build looking like?

[plucky dagger]

last peice of the puzzle for me

[reef pike]

*what parts are you using?

[little slate]

lol there's no such thing as everything being set

[plucky dagger]

ryzen 3700x, msi b450 carbon mobo, corsair h115i, bunch of corsair ll120's, 32gb ram @3200mhz

msi optix MAG321cqr

[quartz gull]

That's not a bad build

[unique flax]

Get 5700xt

[plucky dagger]

corsair k95, corsair 570x

[quartz gull]

A 2080 would fit that nicely.

But at the same time

[unique flax]

Unless you are willing to play RTX enabled games

[little slate]

I'm just being a smarta**, the longer you live in custom pc world, the more money you dump into it, there's no such thing as "finished" pc

[unique flax]

I would go then with 2070S

[quartz gull]

Go with a 2070 super instead of a 2080

[little slate]

I disagree with 2070s over 2080

[quartz gull]

They're close in performance for a lot cheaper

[plucky dagger]

@little slate true

[little slate]

current price of 2080 is the same as 2070s

[unique flax]

If 2080 is same price as 2070s then 2080 is a no brainer

[plucky dagger]

okay but if you want to actuall buy the card this week would you go 2080 ?

its in stock and available

i cant find 2070s

[little slate]

the super card availability is very poor, driving up their prices

[quartz gull]

Nvidia is scared to make a good supply after the crypto crash. They had so much 10 series stock.

[little slate]

there are some 2070 supers in stock on amazon, but they're all over $600

that's not worth the price compared to current price of 2080's

[unique flax]

@little slate for that reason you are correct

[quartz gull]

If the super avaibility comes back at MSRP, definitely get that.

[unique flax]

Where are you located @little slate ?

[little slate]

agreed, MSRP 2070 super is a better choice over 2080

[unreal wren]

Agreed

[little slate]

@unique flax why do you ask?

[unique flax]

@little slate to check if you have micro center near by

btw you can preorder if you are not in a hurry from https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=RTX 2070 super&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

[little slate]

oh I'm not in the market for them, I was just trying to help fakenews

[unique flax]

oh ok 😄

@plucky dagger check https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=RTX 2070 super&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

[little slate]

I'm running a 1080 ti hybrid, no GPU upgrades for me any time soon unless I finally pull the plug on doing a custom water loop

[unique flax]

That is a decent GPU

[quartz gull]

I'm probably going to be with my 1060 for a bit longer. May go for a 2060 used.

[unique flax]

I am holding on with my GTX 1080 until Nvidia next gen "Hopefully no later than 2020"

[quartz gull]

1080 still has stellar performance.

[little slate]

wtb -> high end GPU competition from AMD

[quartz gull]

1080 is about equal to the 2060 super, just without Ray Tracing

[unique flax]

@little slate agree especially if you go with ray tracing next year for same pricing

[little slate]

I feel like ray tracing is irrelevant for anything below 2080

and even for 2080, it's only relevant at 1080p

[unique flax]

Yea @quartz gull I am not an early adopter of RT yet.. I believe next gen will be much better and hopefully more affordable

@little slate true
That was the sole reason why I got a laptop with GTX 1660Ti

[little slate]

I got my laptop with a 1070 maxq after the 2k series came out lol

[quartz gull]

Ray tracing isn't even that great. Sure it can look stunning but the performance hit makes you drop resolutions.

[unique flax]

@little slate smart move

@quartz gull yea I dont expect much from the first iteration of games with RTX

[quartz gull]

I don't have a laptop with discrete graphics. I'm not going to game on laptops. If I'm gaming it's usually me being in one place for an hour or two

[unique flax]

Cool

[quartz gull]

I just don't see me gaming on the go ever.

[little slate]

unfortunately my job requires me to be away from my desktop at least twice a year, for 3 weeks+

[quartz gull]

See that's a good scenario to want a gaming laptop then.

[unique flax]

@quartz gull I dont know if you have kids or married but once you do.. Gaming on the go is a good option lol

[quartz gull]

I'm not yet, but me and my boyfriend of 2 years are pc gamers and we currently game together, so I can kinda see a need for laptops if we ever travel.

[unique flax]

Nice

[quartz gull]

If we end up buying a house together were so going to have an office with our computers next to each other

Screaming at the game is so much better together than over the mic 😂

[unique flax]

That would be nice

hahahahahaha

[quartz gull]

We're very... Vocal when it comes to our games.

[unique flax]

lol

[quartz gull]

This one time the police came over for a domestic violence call, but we were just screaming at battlefield V

[unique flax]

lol

[reef pike]

@quartz gull 👀

[plucky dagger]

actually found an 2070 super in stock

[unique flax]

Where?

[plucky dagger]

msi ventus 2070 super for 519

amazon

[unique flax]

Nice

[plucky dagger]

proabably gonna do it

there was only one in stock i think i just got lucky, thanks for the advice guys, i was really leaning towards a 1080ti until today,

[quartz gull]

I'd get that fast

That's gonna sell out

You already purchase?

[plucky dagger]

i bought it, there was only one in stock! come up!

[quartz gull]

That's nice, seeing the card for MSRP is a miracle

I'm glad you got what you needed!

[plucky dagger]

me too! theres hope out there for 2070s i guess

[unique flax]

Congrats 👏

[plucky dagger]

ty

[unique flax]

I guess in few weeks Super stock will be better

[little slate]

amazon's search system for PC components is beyond useless

[unique flax]

lol

[quartz gull]

Once stock gets better used 2060 and 2070 prices are gonna lower

[unique flax]

True that

[quartz gull]

Once a 2060 hits $250 used I'mma go for it.

I've seen them for $275 as of yesterday

[long phoenix]

I know this isn't a place to buy/sell independently but what's a good price for a used EVGA GTX 1070?

[lone pond]

@long phoenix About $200 +/-

[quartz gull]

I'd say $200-220

Depends on cosmetic condition

[long phoenix]

I can send a pic

Later

[gentle flax]

you guys think the 2070 super is a good buy $499

[violet kite]

Used or new?

Cause the base price right now is actually like 499.

[quartz gull]

New buy it fast

Faaasssssttttt

The stock won't hold, they've been selling for $600+ because of stock problems

[plucky dagger]

i found one today so its totally possible, if you see it in stock, buy it immediately

[long phoenix]

I think I'll get a RX 5700 XT Anniversary. It's basically just below the 2070S for $50 less.

[quartz gull]

Without Ray Tracing

And dlss. Up to you if those make a difference

[long phoenix]

I've rejoined team red

[little slate]

isn't the 5700xt only comparable to 2070s with a custom cooler on it?

[granite juniper]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-Super-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4048vs4045

There’s the userbenchmark one

[obtuse spindle]

the 5700XT actually trades blows with the 2070 super

sure it runs a bit hotter, but it's neck and neck

[little slate]

those benchmarks aren't really representative of gaming performance

[obtuse spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WLJXAwaY0

oh look

gaming benchmarks at the click of a button

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l9FjSLf6sg&t=136s

[granite juniper]

Considering the price, it’s not that bad https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-vs-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-super/

[little slate]

there seems to be a pretty big discrepancy on benchmark results between different websites

also how are the temperatures that basically the same in that video, I've definitely read a lot of repots about the 5700xt having temperature issues, and that video doesn't show any of them

[obtuse spindle]

Because every setup is different. He could be running an open air system or be running in a colder room

Variables are everything

[little slate]

wouldn't that make you question his results?

[obtuse spindle]

No?

His videos are always well done and accurate as far as I can tell

People with the exact same setup can get different results, it all comes down to a multitude of factors

Like windows overhead, silicon lottery, fan speed, any boosting discrepancies due to silicon imperfections

[violet kite]

If you have good airflow, most modern graphics cards will never have a problem.

The vocal minority are usually the ones who complain about issues with overheating.

The whole "AMD IS HOT" thing is a meme for the most part. And really only relates to their old stuff.

OR to people abusing their systems.

[little slate]

well this generation that's specifically aimed at the poor blower cooler design, apparently performance is amazing with a custom cooler or on water

[weak sable]

I agree, so many people like jumping on the AMD is hot bandwagon. I am specifically going with a Noctua over the Kraken closed look system not just because the water pumps might be bad but also to be able to add 2 more fans to my system to help my 5700 XT.

[long phoenix]

What would be good liquid cooling for a 5700 XT 50th? Any AOIs or do I have to do custom? EKWB doesn't even have the plate for an XT in stock until the 25th.

[granite juniper]

Probably custom, but ekwb has the kits for like >$250 for rad, pump, and cpu block

https://www.ekfluidgaming.com/ek-kit-a240 here’s one for 240mm rad

[fallen schooner]

@long phoenix https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16835186097?item=N82E16835186097&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-vga+cooling-_-N82E16835186097&gclid=CjwKCAjwmtDpBRAQEiwAC6lm4wmx8xUUGWIxdgY8yJy54ZBVUzOUcxPBq7T9uQq3jSEroyz7LYg0CxoCuPsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[long phoenix]

@fallen schooner so I can just take off the blower fan and case and install that?

[fallen schooner]

@dreamy haven did it with his, he has a guide, or breakdown somewhere he posted here.

let me try and find it.

said it knock 30c off load temps 😉

https://imgur.com/gallery/Kp90DBt

there ya go @long phoenix

30 degrees.

[long phoenix]

Ooo cool thanks

[fallen schooner]

np

[long phoenix]

@rough harness I've officially joined red lolol

[fallen schooner]

yay!

[rough harness]

Lol

Glad you made your choice

I’m still not hopping in the AMD bandwagon maybe someday

[long phoenix]

I like the color red

[heady hollow]

When can we expect AIB CARDS FOR THE 5700xt?

[fallen schooner]

no clue.

[little slate]

yaaaaaaas, need more people to join the red bandwagon.

nvidia needs to be put back into it's place, and this is coming from someone that almost exclusively uses nvidia GPUs 😂

[fallen schooner]

but nvidia is good...

[little slate]

it's time to go back to customer driven market rather than a monopoly

[long phoenix]

@little slate team red!

[granite juniper]

@heady hollow amd said mid August

[reef pike]

Seriously?

[long phoenix]

@dreamy haven how is your 5700 running with that fan?

[steel charm]

Hey can anyone help me with a quick question

[lone pond]

@steel charm What is the question?

[delicate karma]

What would yall consider to be the best price to performance rtx 2070? I'm split between brands atm.

[lone pond]

@delicate karma I would just get the best you can afford, I recommend a good brand like EVGA though. The best they have for non-super 2070's is EVGA RTX 2070 FTW.

[little slate]

I agree on EVGA. It might not offer the best price to performance, but they have amazing customer support, it's worth a few extra $

[wraith pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-cute-adorable-yeah-yes-gif-14155046

[delicate karma]

ok, i had been debating between the evga 2070 xc ultra and the msi 2070 gaming z

i would go for a super, but who knows when theyll be back in stock and i leave for school in a couple weeks.

[rough harness]

If your going back to school... then are you taking it with you?
If so... then you can wait... If not... then it can wait as well... just my opinion.. unless you need it right at this second

No reason to drop more $$ on an outdated product

[oblique cypress]

yeah

[delicate karma]

fair enough. Any opinions on buying a gigabyte card?

[upper crag]

opinions on the 2060 super from nvidia?

[lone pond]

@upper crag Yeah...it's Super 😏 But seriously it's faster than a regular 2060 and a good mainstream card. Maybe a little better than mainstream.

[granite juniper]

Wait for aib 5700 xt

[upper crag]

I don't like and graphics cards

No offense but I'd rather go team green

[long phoenix]

:l

[delicate karma]

opinions since most places have these sold out, would it be worth getting the evga 2070 super xc ultra gaming for 600?

[rough harness]

Wait 5 days for the 2080 super

GREEN TEAM!!!!

[upper crag]

im afraid the 2080 super might be a bit out of my price range : /

[valid bane]

2080 super tomorrow

[upper crag]

how much will it cost

[valid bane]

$700

[long phoenix]

red team

[valid bane]

Money team

[long phoenix]

hmm

[weak sable]

Eh 5700xt for 400 bucks you can't beat that

[granite juniper]

Wait til aib cards, gonna be amazing

[weak sable]

Blower cards aren't as bad as people make them seem to be

But yeah

If you can wait

AIB is the way to go

loll

[granite juniper]

Yeah, but the dual/triple fan cards should be able to oc better

[weak sable]

Is the 2080 Super Release tomorrow?

Is that actually confirmed?

[granite juniper]

yeah the 23rd

but leaked/rumors show it’s not a big improvement like the 2060/2070

[valid bane]

I’m building my first Pc so I need a card

So I gotta get that 2080 super

[obtuse spindle]

"gotta" is a strong word in that sentence

[valid bane]

Lmao

You right

But it’s either that or I get the 2070 super for 600 cause I’m not trying to wait

[obtuse spindle]

y'all need to learn some patience

[valid bane]

I’ve been waiting to buy a card since June 25th lol. I’ve waited long enough

[obtuse spindle]

a whole month

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-gasp-kitten-omg-gif-7902369

[valid bane]

Yes, and that’s a long time when I’m trying to run a bot lol.

[obtuse spindle]

then buy the cards that are available if it's so god forsaken time sensitive

[valid bane]

I am, it’s coming out tomorrow 😃

Hope it doesn’t go oos quick

[granite juniper]

looks at zen2

[obtuse spindle]

oh, it will

[valid bane]

How fast

[obtuse spindle]

every single super card sells out as soon as it's back in stock

[granite juniper]

^

[obtuse spindle]

every

single

one

[granite juniper]

Just like new ryzen when it launched

[valid bane]

Yes but how long will it take to sell out

[obtuse spindle]

minutes

[valid bane]

Oh that’s easy then lol

[obtuse spindle]

i'm talking less than 2

[valid bane]

If it’s seconds that’s diff

That’s okay with me

I do the same for Nike, adidas releases

[obtuse spindle]

oh great

another gigantic waste of money

[granite juniper]

[valid bane]

For other people 😉

I’m not the dummy who buys for resale

[obtuse spindle]

to companies that employ child labor for dollars per month

[valid bane]

Well now I sound terrible

[lone pond]

#Foxconn

[valid bane]

But man the shoes are 🔥🔥🔥

[granite juniper]

:l

[obtuse spindle]

foxconn is just as bad if not worse

[granite juniper]

@obtuse spindle what about intel

[lone pond]

yeah thats what I meant, lol

[obtuse spindle]

intel has most of their fabs in the US and the UK

no child labor at any of them

[valid bane]

What time will the super go in stock?

Like midnight ?

Or 6 am

Ish

[granite juniper]

no clue

[valid bane]

Anyone know what time the 2070 went in stock?

[granite juniper]

you could maybe ask a Newegg person what time they put new stock up, idk if they are allowed to say tho

[valid bane]

Just saw Nvidia tweeted on the 9th at 9:04 am. So I’m gonna go with a 8am-10am release

[weak sable]

Yeah 3900x are mostly still sold out

5700s luckily didn't sell but now I am debating if I want a 2080 Super over a 5700xt Anniversary edition

The cost is kind dumb

[cold stream]

I'm gonna have to unfortunately say you should still go nvidia

[weak sable]

Im a big AMD fan

why is 250$ more for a 2080 super better? Change my mind

😉

[cold stream]

It's just nvidia has a lot on the software side as well

[dreamy dragon]

Kuzu#5709 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[cold stream]

also the XT is going to explode without proper case cooling

[weak sable]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[valid bane]

Nvidia or third party for this super card 👀

[weak sable]

It's like one of those things, my build is already expensive so why not throw in the kitchen sink

😹

[cold stream]

and like I know raytracing is still kinda memey

but the XT's solution is to not do it at all

there's also DLSS in certain games that nvidia has that's pretty neat

Like when you think about it that's a cruddy deal, an rtx card can at least attempt ray tracing, the XT costs the same and can't

[long phoenix]

@weak sable I got the Anniversary edition

If the normal XT can hit 2.2GHz with OC and water and AE is 75MHz higher base clock rate I wonder if it can push 2.3GHz

Also it's frame rate while OCed (normal XT) is basically the same as a 2080 even on 1440p ultra

[weak sable]

nice

No cooling issues either @long phoenix

[long phoenix]

Well, you should probably get a different fan or secondary manufacturer whatever

I bought that $60 fan the other guy linked but eventually I'm gonna do an EKWB loop running through my GPU and CPU for the cooling and aesthetics

[weak sable]

im a little worried because I wanna put it into a H200i /H210i im doing a m itx xetup

[long phoenix]

I have little to no knowledge of GPU cooling sorry

I just know that so far the only waterblock for a 5700 is from EKWB and isn't even out yet until Friday

[weak sable]

yeah

np

[hexed quail]

Are 1070TI s really 600+ right now?!

[quartz gull]

No?

[oblique cypress]

no.

they're like 500

[hexed quail]

Sorry I was looking at the wrong list. My baad

[oblique cypress]

you can buy used ones for much cheaper as shown by @quartz gull

[quartz gull]

Yeah.

I buy all graphics cards used.

[hexed quail]

I dont trust used cards. Had a bad experience.

[quartz gull]

New ones have been discontinued so the new stock gets expensive

If eBay cards don't work they refund you fully.

[hexed quail]

I know but I really would rather not have to even go throug the hassle

[dry island]

Sorry, new here. So, if I do anything wrong, please be nice. I am looking for help regarding using relatively new graphics card with an "out of date" motherboard. I recently ordered an MSI RX570 and installed it on an MSI P67A-G43 (B3) motherboard. It hangs at BIOS (does not even give beeps). The MSI tech agent says that he thinks that the mobo is too old for the card and nothing can be done.

[oblique cypress]

the mb might be too old.

when was your mb released

i cant search it up rn as im doing something

[oblique elbow]

https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/P67AG43_B3/Specification

@dry island did you try to update the mobo flash?

[dry island]

it was release ~2011

that is when I built it from new parts

[oblique elbow]

Version
1.1
Release Date
2010-11-01
File Size
4.33 MB

[dry island]

I tried to update the BIOS, but not the ME

specifically I tried the 1.J BIOS

[oblique elbow]

it only has a pci-e gen 2. it could be too old

[oblique cypress]

jesus

for sure

[oblique elbow]

what PSU do you have @dry island

[oblique cypress]

i doubt it will even work with your 570

[lone pond]

PCIE should be backwards compatible, the card would run at 2.0 speed. I've done the same with a 580 on a supermicro board.

[oblique cypress]

but for more futureproof he should save up for a newer motherboard

thas just my advice

[oblique elbow]

@lone pond I'm pretty sure that's only for ther slot. ie a 3.0 with a 1.0 card would run at 1.0 speeds

[lone pond]

Does the board boot without it? Might have to change some settings before install.

[dry island]

PSU is Rosewill Green RG630-S12 630W

Without any card inserted I get error beeps (the mobo has no integrate graphics)

I don't even get error beep when RX 570 is installed.

[oblique elbow]

do you have it powered and seated properly?

[lone pond]

I've definitely run an rx580 and GTX 1070/1080 in a supermicro https://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Opteron2000/MCP55/H8DM8-2.cfm But I did use a riser.

[dry island]

Zed: good question. I have check those thing about 10 time over the last 2 days... so I an pretty sure those are not the problem.

[lone pond]

That being said, I'd also first check if its seated, has correct PCIe 6+2 power, etc.

[dry island]

I also used a multi meter to make sure I was getting 12v out of all three 12 power supply wires.

If this cannot be solved, are there any good suggestions for best card for the mobo I have?

[lone pond]

All 3 wires?

For PCIe 6+2, the 3 pins on the "clip side" should be ground, opposite will all be +12. The +2 should both be ground.

[dry island]

currently I have HIS Radeon HD 6850 1GB

[lone pond]

Looks like that card has a single 6 pin. Ya, that sounds right, I was just adding that the +12's are on the non-clip side.

[dry island]

unfortunatly I cannot drop the >$500 for new mobo, CPU, and RAM this year.

thought I would get what I could afford now and what would make the most improvement, but disaster

The i5-2500K still works amazingly

[lone pond]

I still have one of those running too haha, amazing CPU even in 2019. Here's someone with the same board who found a fix https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=313881.0

[dry island]

Anyway, if any of you are still there. I really appreciate the help.

[wraith pasture]

[lone pond]

It's the 2nd post, I'd download it yourself so you know it's legit and I didn't monkey with it

[swift hare]

Looking at making a Dell SFFPC into a gaming capable spare. Is it worth waiting for the low profile GTX 1650s to drop or settle with a 1050 Ti? Will there be a 1650 Ti variant?

[lone pond]

totallynotavirus.rar 😏

[oblique cypress]

1650 is worse than 1050 ti lol

i dont understand anyone who would unironically buy it

it's in such a bad and awkard position with the rx 570 and the 1050 ti it shouldnt even exist

that's weird for sure

[lone pond]

The 1650 is priced very poorly given that it's far lower performance than the 1660 AND it lacks the new NVENC hardware encoding capability the 1660 and 20xx cards have.

@oblique cypress No the 1650 is better than 1050ti: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1650-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/4039vs3649

[oblique cypress]

i remembered wrong

but even if it is still better, it's still in a weird position between those two

the statement still stands because it's a bit better than 1050 ti but worse than rx 570

and all three of those can be bought at a similar price

[swift hare]

Trying to find a 1050 Ti for a reasonable price

[oblique cypress]

whats your budget

[swift hare]

Well it'd have to fit in a Dell Optiplex SFFPC case

[oblique cypress]

i see

oh my that's tiny.

he wants a low profile

[lone pond]

I'd look up your mobo model or check with dell's reference sheets to see what the max PCIe slot power is. I had a similar question about some optiplex 790/7010's with p67/q67 express chipsets which were limited to 35W

[oblique cypress]

the case he wants to put it in is TINY.

[lone pond]

Then this: https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-gtx-1050-ti-aero-itx-4g-oc/p/1XN-003F-00001 @swift hare

[oblique cypress]

yeah

that can work

[lone pond]

What's the optiplex model number?

@swift hare ^

[swift hare]

@lone pond I tried to find something on a sticker but just Service Tag #

[lone pond]

That's perfect.

[lone pond]

I found a while ago you can just type the service tag in here, shows the complete loadout as it shipped https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04

[swift hare]

Might have to just keep scouting and stumble across a good deal on a 1050 To. I think I read the PCI-E slot should be enough to power it

[lone pond]

May I ask what the machine is for? it shows you have a i3 3240, it's going to be hard to game on that

Page 19 shows max 50W to pcie x16 https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/optiplex_7010_technical_guidebook.pdf

[unkempt oasis]

I'm seeing a ton of people hate on the new 2080 SUPER before it's even out, but I want to buy a new GPU. I currently am running a 980ti but if I'm looking for an upgrade and want to stick with NVIDIA should I get the 2080 SUPER? Like what's with all the hate on it besides the fact that it doesn't out perform the 2080 by a large margin?

[swift hare]

@lone pond just a spare rig that is capable for playing a few games. Sometimes I give up my office when we have guests over and I don't want to lug my desktop back and forth.

And I actually put an i7-3770s in it. Spare parts from an old work machine.

[lone pond]

Dell shows compatibility for a RADEON HD 7570 which is $14 or less shipped on ebay

[swift hare]

That it I try transplanting my build into a tiny case again or build a spare rig

I have a Radeon HD 8490 sitting around at work. 1GB wonder if that's enough for decent gaming?

[lone pond]

Personally, I wouldn't bother trying to upgrade the dell, especialy since its SFF.

[swift hare]

I guess a GT 1030 could work?

[lone pond]

The hard part is finding a card that's <50W and will fit

[swift hare]

True

[lone pond]

The CPU and 4? GB memory are going to be a hard limit to much upgrading anyway

[swift hare]

I did some upgrading to it from the initial config

[lone pond]

The $150 ryzen 3400G and it's integrated graphics could make for a decently powerful tiny PC gamer

But you're probably best suited by something like a used ryzen 1600 build + an rx580 or something

[swift hare]

I thought about going that route too

An ITX case with portable monitor would be cool

[lone pond]

Take this for what it's worth, but one of the regulars on the /r/overclocking discord said he bought a bunch of these offering the seller $70 each and that they were 100% legit. https://www.ebay.com/itm/183860968933 I'll put in an offer for $140 for two myself.

[swift hare]

That's a good deal

I do have a spare parts project I'm doing and was looking at RX 570/580s

[lone pond]

Ya, just depends on your price range, flexibility

[swift hare]

Well for the spare parts build I already have a case, ram, PSU, SSD/HDD and Mobo with I sent into RMA with Gigabyte

Just not as portable as an ITX build

[lone pond]

Depends how serious you want to get, but $200 gets you a 3600 https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-1x/support#support-cpu says it's compatible if you update bios. VRM seems fine for at least a 3600, likely more.

[swift hare]

Could opt for a 1600 too

[valid bane]

@unkempt oasis im getting the 2080 super now matter what. If you want to upgrade your gpu I wouldn’t. But this is my first and only card that I’ll have.

[lone pond]

<$100 1600 is a great bargain imo. Also, check out the 3200g/3400g if a discrete GPU isn't an option.

[unique flax]

Does the NDA on the RTX 2080 Super lift on the 23rd?

[lone pond]

@unique flax Supposedly, yes. I have not been able to find it confirmed though.

[little current]

does anyone know if the rtx 2080 support displayport cable

[lone pond]

They all do, but for edge cases, you'll always have to check on a model specific basis.

[little current]

it doesn't say, i don't think

[tiny rune]

hello

i have a question

Does the power supply come with 2 8 pin connectors for the 2070 super from asus

[rough harness]

Most come with 2 6+2

[jagged tapir]

2080 super is out :0

Idk if I should buy rn or not

[dusky mesa]

I mean if you want to and have the money go right ahead

[rough harness]

750$

Will wait until I see the real@benchmarks

[limpid folio]

I bought one lol

I mean its a huge upgrade for me no matter

and for the same price as a regular 2080 why not lol

[rough harness]

If you have an older 10 series... any of these new cards are a great upgrade for sure

[limpid folio]

980ti

so a pretty big bump

[dusky mesa]

Ngl, I'm just waiting on third-party 5700s

[rough harness]

Yeah

[limpid folio]

Sad they dont have the Aorus out yet. Even though they had it up on the site for the last 2 weeks

Guess gigabyte pulled the stock

[dusky mesa]

Y'know this is a bit of a dumb/odd question, but is Gigabyte a good company?

[rough harness]

They are holding back until the others sell out... then they have the full market for 20 mins

Yes it is

[jagged tapir]

I was gonna go with a regular 2080 at first anyways

[limpid folio]

I have had really good luck with their cards and boards

[spare sundial]

short answer is yes

[dusky mesa]

Like whenever I look at their items, they always have 3 stars or less on their stuff

Just checking

[limpid folio]

Yeah, I mean their release 2080ti had some issues but was fixed pretty quickly

[rough harness]

Because people suck and write a bad review for the smallest thing...

[limpid folio]

They also had some issues on their mid range Aorus X470

True

[rough harness]

And a bad review for the shipper or seller not the product it’s self

[limpid folio]

The RAM I bought had a bunch of 1 stars because people couldn't understand how to set the timings and voltage

I was scared when I got it but 5 minutes later I had 2 sticks of some bomb RAM OC'd a little

[rough harness]

I get customers giving my store a 7 out of 10 because of the layout... I have no control over where my heartburn medication is... it’s set by corporate... sorry your fat butt had to walk 50 yards to the back of the store... lol

And 5/10 because the paint color.... ITS WHITE! do you want pink and purple??

[dusky mesa]

lol

Figure I ask

[rough harness]

I take the star and egg reviews with a little salt.. if it’s a product problem then I take it more seriously, but if you read most of them they are usually about shipping, seller, or they have a stick up their butt

[limpid folio]

^

[dusky mesa]

Fair enough, and I typically read reviews all the way through, it just seems like Gbyte gets them more than MSI or Asus stuff

[rough harness]

ASUS is amazing... that’s why... lol

[limpid folio]

True

[rough harness]

When I was a tech, I couldn’t stand MSI, But they have come a long way over the last 6-7 years

[limpid folio]

Yeah, MSI was the budget boards but they have really started making quality stuff. Same with EVGA

[rough harness]

EVGA was garbage for years...

[dusky mesa]

ASrock also seems to fall a little short as well

I was just asking because I have the X470 MB that Austin mentioned, and I'm having some minor issues with the driver updates and RGB Fusion

[rough harness]

Yeah, every company has a rough patch of crap

Like AMD.... lol... glad they are doing some decent work now.

[dusky mesa]

right

[limpid folio]

No kidding

Couldn't be happier with this build

[dusky mesa]

Plan on getting the R9 once the damn thing is in stock for more than an hour

[limpid folio]

but I was running an i7 4770k so anything is a huge upgrade

Yeah I bought my 3900x from AMD Direct on release day, took them 9 days to process the order than another 4 for shipping

They didn't stock the US with enough to ship out so I had to wait on a few batches

[dusky mesa]

Yeah I might just buy it from AMD themselves as well

[limpid folio]

It does save you a little on the cost, they give you like 40 off with 5-7 day shipping

I went with newegg for the 2080 super though since when they say its in stock you are getting it shipped that day lol

[rough harness]

I always wait 5-6 months after any new product comes out...

[dusky mesa]

Right, again I'm just waiting on those 3rd party cards for the 5700s

I typically give it a month

[jagged tapir]

Are the mirror looking nvidia cards enough for keeping it cook

Cool

[limpid folio]

Well if I have any issues with it I will be sure to send it back, dont mind having to rock the 980ti for a little bit longer

Yes

Way better than the stupid blower system

[jagged tapir]

Nice

[limpid folio]

You will need to tune the fan profiles but its a lot better

I went with the Gigabyte with windforce so it should be pretty cool

[rough harness]

I want to trust AMD... but they have had more compatibility issues with RAM and programs and heat in the past... and the Bios update they have now... their new GPUS are still running 10 hotter then the others... on a smaller chip set... so I still have trust issues.

[jagged tapir]

Aight I'm thinking to buy the 2080 super right now so lol

[limpid folio]

most of the FTW3s are out of stock but they still have the one I got

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2080-super-gv-n208sgaming-oc-8gc/p/N82E16814932176?Item=N82E16814932176

[dusky mesa]

Cooling with AMD is what I'd like to call: Jank as hell

[limpid folio]

Ehh

I put a noctua NH-D15 on mine and I am getting amazing temps

went with Grizzly Kryonaught as well

[fossil copper]

you need to make a cooling profile for amd chips

[rough harness]

When second lvl product hits the market I will trust it more

[fossil copper]

i can screen shot you mine

makes all the world of a difference

[limpid folio]

what program are you using for that?

[fossil copper]

use the amd radeon r

ill screen shot one sec

[dusky mesa]

Processors though are pretty tight with cooling though imo

[limpid folio]

cool cool

[dusky mesa]

Graphics cards are another story

[fossil copper]

click the gaming tab

then click global settings

[dusky mesa]

Like I have a custom wattman profile on my Vega 56

[dusky mesa]

ah he's showing us wattman

[fossil copper]

yes the watt man

you need to save a profile for that

and make sure when you do a firmware upgrade that its on

some times it defaults to off

and if your game is running like ass then check on it

some times it can turn off

[dusky mesa]

I'll give AMD this though, wattman is tight

[rough harness]

That’s mostly my point- have to do special crap to run their product like the competition... just to use the product like normal... the new GPUS are toe to toe with the supers... with a better chip set... so what happens when Nvidia drops to the 7nm chip set and totally kills AMD GPUS?

[dusky mesa]

By then AMD will have something of their own

[fossil copper]

here are my profiles

i have 2 vega 64s so i have 2 fan profiles

[dusky mesa]

nice, running crossfire

?

[fossil copper]

yes

[rough harness]

They already have their own... with a better chip set.... and it’s still equal... not leaps and bounds better

[fossil copper]

most games are on xfire support but it still helps when i game or multi taks

are not on **

[dusky mesa]

I mean standing toe to toe with Nvidia is still good

[rough harness]

It’s nice for the competition.. I enjoy the price wars... lol...

[fossil copper]

nvidia uses DDR 5 / 6 amd uses HBM2+

in form factors

[dusky mesa]

Exactly, it's good for us the consumers

[fossil copper]

DDR5 is easier to keep cool, HBM2 is much faster and more powerful

[rough harness]

But to have a better chip set... run 10 hotter and still not blow them out of the water... not buying the hype

[fossil copper]

its comparing the memory of a Farm Vs a Sky Scraper

the ssky scraper moves data faster but gets hotter much faster

thats the analogy between the two form factors any way

[dusky mesa]

I agree, and it still bugs me that the 3rd party cards didn't launch with the launch of 5700 as well

[fossil copper]

i havent tried that card

[jagged tapir]

If my payment isnt going thru do you think they're sold out or what

[dusky mesa]

sold out more than likely

[fossil copper]

are you using the new egg credit card?

the master card?

i have the issue with my card

[limpid folio]

They make me do a verification before they will charge me

[fossil copper]

when i use it , i get a check out on the cart but i get a notification email saying it didnt go through

[limpid folio]

try doing it in a private brower

[fossil copper]

ive called them about it many times

[limpid folio]

could be a caching issue

[fossil copper]

smart play austinbyo

[limpid folio]

browser*

[fossil copper]

ill try it

ive tried it on the app too

[limpid folio]

Strange one, you would think they would want to take your money 😛

[jagged tapir]

;-;

[dusky mesa]

On a side note, I wonder what the hell AMD is doing by discontinuing the RVII

[limpid folio]

New directions

have to play risky in todays market

[dusky mesa]

I get that, but what are they planning? Like do they plan on re-releasing it but base it on Navi rather than Vega?

[limpid folio]

Yeah

I think they really see something in Navi and want to push in that direction

Its been cool to see them step out of their comfort zone and start pushing out some really amazing products the last few years

[dusky mesa]

Right right

Still I'm pissed that their best gpu is in a $35k computer

but that's more something caused by Apple.

[limpid folio]

Yeah, they are an entirely different story lol

I can't believe what people pay for that stuff. Then again having a TB of RAM would be pretty dope lol

[dusky mesa]

Bro what would you even do with a TB of RAM?

[limpid folio]

Nothing lol

[rough harness]

Chrome incognito

[limpid folio]

run a few VMs then gloat at apple parties

LOL

[dusky mesa]

Like I have 48gbs and even that's a bit much

[limpid folio]

Yeah open like 1000 chrome tabs

Yeah I went with 32 to have some head room for my VMs but its mainly a gaming machine

[dusky mesa]

Intense Google Chrome GAMER

[limpid folio]

Have to be ready for Stadia lol

[dusky mesa]

HAH

[rough harness]

32 + 16 intel optane

[limpid folio]

Nice, how is the optane working out for you? Was looking at putting that in a few host

[rough harness]

Don’t use it... going to kill it for another m.2

[limpid folio]

fair

[rough harness]

It’s really only for regular hard drives... that are the boot drive

And mine aint that..

[limpid folio]

I feel yah

Waiting on black friday to pick up a 2 TB Samsung 970 EVO

[rough harness]

It holds games... that’s it... so it does me no good... so off to the local classifieds

[limpid folio]

Couldn't be happier with the 500GB I have atm

NVME makes a huge difference

[rough harness]

Someone can buy it for 10$.. lol

I love my M.2 it’s only 512... I want the 1 or 2 TB

[dusky mesa]

I'm just running a Hybrid of a 1tb 860 evo and a 2tb Seagate Bcudda

it does the Job

[limpid folio]

I have the 500GB 970 EVO and a 2TB WD Blue

[dusky mesa]

nice nice

How is the 970 by chance?

[limpid folio]

Have one more 2.5inch slot that I need to put another SSD in

Amazing

I have like 2-4 second boot times into windows

Loaded a full Battlefield V map in around 10 seconds

no load screens in apex

[dusky mesa]

Oh nice, mine is about 3-5 seconds

[limpid folio]

Noice

I mean I think our read right speeds are close

[dusky mesa]

Something in that drive though makes it faster

Maybe it's the red sticker

[limpid folio]

lol

actually thats a non NVME drive, you would notice a difference

your has a 520MBPS read/write where the 970 EVO is at 3200MBPS

[dusky mesa]

ohhh

[limpid folio]

but again you are really only going to see a huge difference when reading larger amounts of data

well reading/writing

[dusky mesa]

right

[limpid folio]

They are more than worth it when they are on sale

Bestbuy has them on sale all the time

and if you dont mind open box you can get it for dirt cheap

[dusky mesa]

whoah bro careful