Fps game

[grim perch]

@open spindle how many player counts?
How competitive it is?
TargetPlatform?

[open spindle]

Max 100 players, very competitive

[grim perch]

Fusion

100%

[open spindle]

PC

[grim perch]

Do you have ever seen a fishnet game that hold up to 100 players?

Very competitive: needs a proper lagCompensation and dedicated server

And I think i previously had said this, but your game is too unrealistic for your first mp game

[open spindle]

I use Unity Multiplay

[grim perch]

Getting 100 CCU Is super difficult

[open spindle]

That's true, lag compensation on fishnet is paid

Do you need to pay for fusion if you use a different networking solution

Are there any comparison charts?

On performance of each solution

[grim perch]

Bear with me, you are not ready to build this game

[open spindle]

Of course 100 is max but I expect about 20

[grim perch]

This is nothing compared to your dedicated server cost

[grim perch]

I think u got the question wrong

[grim perch]

Not really, only mine

Punfish has one, but he maintained it himself and its bias

[open spindle]

PunFish = fishnet?

[open spindle]

What's wrong?

This uses fishnet and looks coolhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2179490/Ravenous_Horde/

Steam

Ravenous Horde

Kill hordes of zombies as a hunter, and kill hunters when you're a zombie! In this round based multiplayer post-apocalyptic FPS you start as a hunter, and turn into a zombie when you die. Level up and unlock perks, new weapons and customization options. Grab your favorite loadout and survive!PerksPlay the way you want! Perks allow you to play th...

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[upper flare]

lol

this is not even released

[open spindle]

I visited their discord

It's still updated

[upper flare]

does not matter

there are no successful games released with fish-networking

[upper flare]

steak already explain the reason

competent teams don't use scammy solutions

[open spindle]

Isn't it because it is newer?

Also not everyone can afford Fusion pricing plans

But idk

[upper flare]

NO

Fishnet released in 2021

3 YEARS AGO

[upper flare]

pls explain

fusion is like 1% of your revenue if you make a successful game

Steam already takes 30%

and you are fine with that

[open spindle]

If the game is pay to play

[open spindle]

Successful games take a lot of time to create

Yes, I know that Fusion is the best possible option out there

[upper flare]

?

a good mobile game can be coded in 6 months

[open spindle]

If you have a team

[sly tendon]

When I was doing research into this myself I downloaded a few fishnet games and tried them out. Can't say the reason any of them were "unsuccessful" was because of the networking.

[upper flare]

it wasn ot because of networking

that is not the point

it's statistics

competent teams go to good and trust-worthy solutions

[sly tendon]

competent teams go to proven solutions

[upper flare]

so all the good teams go to use Mirror, Photon, or NGO

yep

[sly tendon]

All we've settled on is that no one has published a good enough game to prove fishnet is viable to the big competent teams.

Doesn't mean it isn't possible. Or that the library isn't capable. It just hasn't been done yet.

[upper flare]

NO

[open spindle]

Wdym

[upper flare]

fishnet is a scam

that is way they don't use it

[sly tendon]

In what way?

I'm very curious since I've recently started a project and am using fishnet.

[upper flare]

the admins warned me from repeating this discussion

[open spindle]

I tried it. It's better than NGO.

[upper flare]

they don't want fishnet to be talked about in here

because it's banned in here

for creating alt accounts

[sly tendon]

Ah the developer is banned

Unity itself obviously doesn't care since it's still in the asset store

[open spindle]

But that isn't the reason why it's bad

[upper flare]

that is true, we reported it there too

[upper flare]

i am getting sus here

are you another alt account?

[sly tendon]

So far I haven't seen anything that gives me any cause for concern. Hopefully it doesn't bite me in the butt in a few months when I've made it farther into the project

[upper flare]

it's shovelware that is full of bugs

[open spindle]

No bro

[open spindle]

I haven't encountered any so far

[upper flare]

that's why they release a new version with bug fixes every week

[sly tendon]

I actually don't mind that as much since it is open source and I can modify it however I need to.

[upper flare]

WRONG

it's not open source

open source only uses MIT license or similar licenses

[sly tendon]

Confused. The code is public on the github and anyone can PR into the repo

[upper flare]

Unreal engine too

[sly tendon]

I can take the code and modify it for my own game in any way I need

[upper flare]

LOL no

[sly tendon]

As far as I'm concerned. That's open source

[upper flare]

legally not

read the license!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sly tendon]

License says you are allowed modify and reproduce.

[open spindle]

@upper flare Fusion is the best, however for indie Devs Fishnet is better imo

[upper flare]

yea nice one, you are one of the fishnet alt, aren't you

[open spindle]

Wdym

I'm trying to be honest

[upper flare]

It's not better for indie devs to use a scam solutions

it's better for them to give 1% of rev to use something battle-tested like Fusion

or something good and without scam like Mirror

[open spindle]

There are plenty of working games which use fishnet.

[sly tendon]

I still don't understand how an open source project that is free (Or at worst a one time payment for pro) is a scam project. It really sounds like you have a grudge against the developer more than the product.

[upper flare]

they are not successful games

and yes, fishnet will work it's not unusable

because he stole mirror to develop it

[sly tendon]

Is this why you call it a scam product?

[upper flare]

not only that

many reasons

here another one

#archived-networking message

[open spindle]

Bro, is it saying that fishnet is a scam? No.

[upper flare]

yes, it's a scam to make fake accounts to promote your asset

if your assst is good, why do that

[sly tendon]

It's a differing opinion on what a "scam" is. Looking like it is indeed a grudge against the developer.

[upper flare]

You are not one of the main Punfish account alts

You are an alt of one of the defenders or paid employees

[sly tendon]

Like I said I picked it up to work on a game recently. I have next to no experience with the library was just curious if you had any valid criticisms for the library that would convince me not to use it.

An attack on the developers character is not a valid criticism for me.

[upper flare]

does it look like i am the person in that photo?

[stone shore]

as a lurker who's only ever used fusion, I agree, these guys just have a personal vendetta against fishnet

[sly tendon]

That post just doesn't make me feel one way or the other about the library itself. I do agree that I probably won't be taking the developer out on any fancy dates because of that though.

[upper flare]

ok

i told you the lib is a mirror version that has been changed

the fishnet developer added only two features

to mirror

big features

prediction

[sly tendon]

Yea you're right. I looked into the two and found that FishNet used significantly less data which was the deciding factor between the two libraries for me.

[upper flare]

and lag compensation

he didn't write the prediction code though

he stole it

from here

https://github.com/GiovanniZambiasi/Client-Side-Prediction

[upper flare]

he has since made tons of changes

[sly tendon]

I've lost interest. Sorry for hijacking your thread @open spindle

[upper flare]

because you lost

[sly tendon]

Because I came in here looking for criticisms of the library. Not ad hominem attacks. You were completely unable to convince that it is in any way a "Scam product".

[spark nacelle]

Ah hell nah the netick PR team is at it

[upper flare]

fake accounts not enough?

yea, go see a doctor

[spark nacelle]

2 fake accounts arguing!?!?!

In this day and age...

[open spindle]

Insane

[upper flare]

alt accounts

[spark nacelle]

you too

[upper flare]

the punfish is known to pay people from poor countries to do random things for him
like here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4JNpEoyir8

[sly tendon]

Fake accounts do not effect the library. It also doesn't stop me from publishing my game. Attacks on the developers character just hold no weight in my decision of what I use in my game. I am not a fan of "cancel culture" which is what this looks like to me.

[upper flare]

so i have no doubt that he pays people to make fake accounts for him

[spark nacelle]

this is april 1st

lmao

[upper flare]

does not change the fact he paid someone for it

[spark nacelle]

Dude you really are scraping the bottom of the barell

[spark nacelle]

shiver me timbers

[upper flare]

keep supporting a fraud

[spark nacelle]

I don't know which solution got removed from the asset store

could you tell me?

[upper flare]

you keep implying i have anything to do with "netick"

and yes I'd probably use that since it's similar to what I use (Fusion)

but time of now is not good since it still a beta and probably full of bugs

[spark nacelle]

just stop denying it, delete this account and make a new one

keep it movin'

[upper flare]

go see my chat histroy in Photon

see what an alt I am

[upper flare]

you are so pathetic that you think we are like you and the punfish

[spark nacelle]

what do you mean me?

[upper flare]

i don't know , i assume that punfish is paying you

because that what does

[spark nacelle]

sadly he doesn't

[upper flare]

pay random people to do things for him

[open spindle]

You still didn't provide any reasons why Fishnet is a scam.

[spark nacelle]

So you think that I could just ask him for money in exchange for "this"

[upper flare]

no

[open spindle]

Sounds ridiculous right?

[upper flare]

or yes

all things can be true

[upper flare]

fraudulent marketing

[spark nacelle]

Mirror and FN have some beef, because they are both good solutions, and competitors, while netick and FN have beef because idk.

[spark nacelle]

for example?

[upper flare]

being banned in all servers

maybe do your own research like us

[open spindle]

If Fishnet is similar to mirror then isn't it good?

[spark nacelle]

I mean both solutions can be usefull

I chose FN because it's similar to mirror, but it has better performance

appearantly

[upper flare]

appearantly ? so you don't even know

[spark nacelle]

get lost

[open spindle]

I still didn't find any proof though

[spark nacelle]

You could make your own benchmark

[open spindle]

Yes, that's why I started this thread

[spark nacelle]

there are plenty of softwares to aid you in them

[upper flare]

I was not talking with you

mistaken one of the alts?

two chrome tabs opened?

lmao

GOT YOU.

[open spindle]

Ok

[spark nacelle]

what

[upper flare]

you replied in the wrong account, smart guy

[spark nacelle]

and that means literally nothing?

[upper flare]

it means the other account is your alt

[spark nacelle]

mine?

[stone shore]

this guy is living in his own galaxy

[sly tendon]

Gotta say... It would have made less sense coming from the other guy lol.

[spark nacelle]

seems like

[upper flare]

i have PhD at investigating alt accounts

[spark nacelle]

Guys did you know that I am actually a lord to 1000's of alt accounts

Just like how the Patriots wanted

but I am free from their controll and memes

[stone shore]

it's very apparent. Youre very talented

[upper flare]

can't beat unity though!!!

they are pros!

[spark nacelle]

dude, just leave, you are not convicing anyone, especially after what you said

[upper flare]

convicing anyone?

who cares about me

the photo speaks for itself

Lmao

[spark nacelle]

no one

@open spindle So I assume you'd need a solution with the least network traffic

[upper flare]

nice, alt accounts talking with each other

all we need

PERFECT.

[spark nacelle]

You could just make a simple script that does X task, make like a 1000 of them and measure the network load

[sly tendon]

Curious how long the 2 alt accounts will talk to each other if you didn't message. How much time do you think he'd waste?

[spark nacelle]

I don't that would be very hard

[upper flare]

ask unity they know better

[spark nacelle]

man, can't this guy just get banned

[upper flare]

nice, the punfish alt is speaking

trying to get others banned

[spark nacelle]

I truly am

[upper flare]

like how he got banned

[spark nacelle]

fishnet

you found me out

I am John "Fish" Net

[open spindle]

Yes

[upper flare]

go work on your fishnet game lol

[spark nacelle]

The founder of Miliatries Sans Fishnet

[spark nacelle]

I worked a bit on it today

I fixed a few bugs with procedural gen

[spark nacelle]

just do it, no need to make it complicated

maybe just sending RPC's and other stuff

[open spindle]

Okay. I will do it tomorrow

[upper flare]

did punfish hire new people who are maybe a little bit better at not being caught 🧐

[open spindle]

What is wrong with you seriously

[upper flare]

what is wrong with you

[spark nacelle]

<@&502884371011731486> @upper flare keeps talking about offtopic nonsense like a madman

[upper flare]

supporting a fraud

admins, he's an active member in the fishnet server

[spark nacelle]

and??

[spark nacelle]

Then balance it with the features of each networking solution, or how much support is behind them

Is this your first time making multiplayer?

[glossy storm]

@upper flare You need to be less annoying when bringing these things up. This is getting more destructive than what Fishnet does to the Unity networking space.

[upper flare]

i am sorry.

[pulsar osprey]

!warn 807623938595225631 Here is your official warning after being told not to drag drama here. Next is a ban from this server.

[robust anvil]

shipwreck5458 has been warned.

[spark nacelle]

thanks guys

[upper flare]

can i talk with you in dms?

[pulsar osprey]

No, you may not. I'm not interested in hearing more theories.

[upper flare]

not a theory

[spark nacelle]

I'm not a bloody alt account

[upper flare]

a suggestion

[pulsar osprey]

I'm closing this thread. You can remake it anew and start the conversation fresh.

[cobalt crown]

beginners are not able to properly assess a library quality, it's like engaging in a toxic relationship without having any experience. For me it was like a lesson that I needed to learn by myself.

the key point is that if you are a newbie and don't want to struggle as I did, go with the proved solutions that has published games similar with your needs

[grim perch]

Punfish is the author name