AI help to design a game

[digital zodiac]

Hello! I am currently working on my first game but I feel a lack in one of the classes. Is it frowned upon to use AI to generate ideas?

[smoky finch]

Different people have different standards, as do different academic institutions.
For example, I frown upon 95%+ of "AI" usage; others do not.

[fierce hazel]

AI are generally good for shooting a bunch of bullshit that seem good. If "seem good" is enough for you, then you might be able to use it. One way to use it is by example for story or quest line. You can write a bunch of stuck and ask the AI to add more words making it looking more complicated and more well though then what it really is.

[true echo]

The ideas are gonna suck for sure very uncreative when it comes to that aspect

[past oracle]

If it helps you generate some ideas, I don't really see an issue with it. It can generate some interesting stuff you just need to put some thought into the prompt.

Suggest a game for example would get a very broad response. Suggest a game that is weird, unique, that involves mixing art and story telling. Describe it in 5 words for example would give a much more interesting response.

Suggest a game to make

(Massive paragraph I'm not pasting).

Suggest a game that is weird, unique, that involves demons and swords. Make it fun. Explain it in very brief.

Response: "Sword Symphony: Defeat musical monsters by harmonizing with magical blades!".

It can help think outside the box a bit.

[prisma mountain]

People frown about anything you can imagine - frowning on this example could be done for personal reasons, following into line with ones community, reading "AI" and conflating anything under that heading with a specific gross example - like those grifters hoovering up unlicensed concept art in order to spit out generated art based on it, but most just don't want to spend the time to review the actual context or attempt to empathize - that's a lot of work vs. just barfing something about you being evil for having an evil question and then moving on.

If your question is whether an LLM can be used as an idea generator, the answer is somewhere in between yes and no. Again, here it is easy to dismiss you because obviously you can just do your brainstorming with your fellow collaborators or creative friends. But assuming you knew that already, it isn't an option for you, and that's why you had the idea and asked the question, the answer is: With an LLM you get out what you put in. It's a pattern machine, able to extrapolate from what you give it, using averages of what it has been trained on. If you give it very little, what it gives you is mostly just a porridge of those averages - unlikely to be very useful for much of anything. However if you supply it with a solid amount of material from your existing work, it might be able to extrapolate some useful output for use in your brainstorming. This you can then us as a base for your final ideas.

[silver cliff]

need to be careful though, since there's already game with similar name and theme (Sword of Symphony)

[dim pecan]

Haha, well you can, using AI generating ideas isn’t really frowned upon, unless your whole game is AI generated like code, art, etc that would just be lazy and kinda frowned upon. BUT I highly suggest not to use AI to generate ideas this is because like others on this post said, it’s extremely uncreative. When I try, they all seem so unoriginal and not unique, I often just end up using my own ideas in the end. Human creativity is still superior.

[gritty lodge]

AI is a tool like any other that has come before it. Never think of it as doing anything 'for' you. Always take an active role. Using advanced tools as a crutch is the mark of a hack or an amateur and will be especially obvious in the future as people get used to the tech and better at spotting it.

[amber arrow]

AI is destroying art.

[past oracle]

Or, is art destroying AI? All the poor AI jobs still being lost to existing designers and animators. Artists fighting for copyright. Filters and systems being put into place to slow AI development... (im not being serious by the way)

[gritty lodge]

the sky is falling.

1970 - "Robots are destroying the auto industry"

1995 - "EDM is destroying music"

this is just alarmist garbage. The world will get used to it. It doesnt destroy art, it enables artists to do more. History will prove me right.

[amber arrow]

Society has forgotten what art is. Well, nothing surprising.

A piece of code cannot make art, this should be out of the question.

[fierce hazel]

Art is subjective, a piece of code can certainly make art if the beholder sees it like that.

[amber arrow]

Art is a product of human existence, the soul. AI can't boast of this.

[fierce hazel]

For you

[amber arrow]

Since you are still so persistent, then tell me another representation of art that allows the intervention of artificial intelligence.

[fierce hazel]

Music,
Narrative
Imagery

Anything really. As I stated, it is subjective.

[amber arrow]

These are not representations of art, but their forms

You didn't even understand me

[fierce hazel]

Elaborate.

[amber arrow]

In fact, everyone has the same representation of art, but different explanations, because this is one of the most philosophical topics

[fierce hazel]

What do you mean with representation of art ? I'm trying to understand what you mean.

[amber arrow]

But the dumber a person is, the less he perceives art, and therefore he can perceive the work of AI as real art. Maybe that’s what you wanted to say meaning art ”subjective”? And can this be called a reason to use AI in YOUR works?

[fierce hazel]

That is totally absurd. I don't even know what to say.

Subjective means different for each individual, not "inferior". You do not need to "dumber" to perceive AI "art" as art. You simply needs to have a different set of criteria. You seem to value the source of the piece of art, which is fine and totally understandable. However, it is not case for anyone. Even less when we are talking about video game where AI art would only be a component of the whole product.

[amber arrow]

Dating an AI girlfriend is ok, because a girlfriend is subjective concept

[fierce hazel]

It is for some. The same way that dating the same sex is for some.

[amber arrow]

😂🫡

[fierce hazel]

What can I say. I do also find it absurd to date an AI girlfriend, but it does not invalidate their perception. This is obviously an extreme example but there is a lot of example that are less extreme.

By example, the type of porn someone consume.
What someone taste.
What emotionally affect someone.
What someone find fun.
And, somewhere in there, there is how someone see art.

It is important to understand that. It affects how you interpret feedback in video game and it helps analyze why something does not work. It directly ties with how you make a game for a specific target audience and not for everyone.

[amber arrow]

It’s funny how you try to look like some kind of philosopher in the eyes of others, trying to justify everything around you and respect any opinion. This is the task of a philosopher - to find something non-obvious in obvious things, but this looks like you are a child. Art is art, it is not a subjective thing, ask any real philosopher about this - you will hear a negative answer

[scarlet cradle]

Can you two take this to DMs, this is gone beyond what this topic is even about.

[fierce hazel]

There is nothing more to say here.

[hoary storm]

I don’t think it matters if it’s frowned upon. Other people use different tools and I think it’s stupid to basically say that using a certain tool that’s at your disposal is “cheating” or something. People might not like it but I think that you don’t even have to credit most ai’s if you don’t want to. In the end it’s still made by you regardless of how

If you don’t want people hating on you for using ai just don’t tell them you’re using ai unless you really want to

[fierce hazel]

If you want to publish your game on Steam you need to disclose the usage of AI.

[hoary storm]

Aw that’s stupid

[dim pecan]

damn is thread has turned into a huge one

[broken trellis]

I don think anyone really says its "cheating" more than it detrimental to your learning and understanding of things

if it were actual cheating, it would be useful

but the information you're getting is like a 50/50 chance is completely made up nonsense

[hoary storm]

That’s with current technology

It’s bound to get way better

[hoary storm]

And I think just with the way to start of this thread is worded they are referring to brainstorming ideas

[hexed field]

Can I use my AI to train on my art? Would it then be considered legal?

[true echo]

If you made the art then yes

[fierce hazel]

Nothing is consider illegal as far as I know. However it might be considered unethical to use other art piece same if they are publicly available.

And you need to consider that to have a strong data set you need millions of image, not just 1 or 2. (At least from what I have seen of the current technology)

[agile dirge]

Nothing is consider illegal as far as I know. However it might be considered unethical to use other art piece same if they are publicly available.
It should be legal, Imagine you are investing a machine to learn a whole documents that you type from yourself for the AI to learn from.