Yes yes but I wanna finish this been

[haughty mulch]

there's nothing wrong with what you're doing

don't worry about your design

you will paralyze yourself worrying about whether or not you're doing something right, rather than just doing it

set yourself a goal for what you want to accomplish:

• the user should be able to draw a card

then write whatever you need to, to get that to work.

once it's working, you have the benefit of hindsight, and can go back and refactor your code where it seems sensible to do so

outside of that, i can't help you. just know that I've tried to make a roguelite card game on 3 different occassions to varying degrees of completeness. it's harder than you would think, especially if you start to get into other elements of roguelites like procedural generating maps

so i feel your pain

[tame lion]

your projects likely get scrapped because the scope was too big

[haughty mulch]

read that guide i sent you if you're interested in design patterns, and limit your scope

[tame lion]

in game jams people say if you have 48 hours you only have 4 hours to develop the mechanics and 44 hours to polish it and make it feel good

extrapolating that to big projects you should finish the mechanics in a week or two if you want to finish the game in 6 months

[junior current]

Well nice bc in three days all I've done is drag drop and visuals 😂😂

[haughty mulch]

well now you've learnt how to do drag and drops. 🙂

[tame lion]

progress 🥳

[junior current]

[haughty mulch]

nothing wrong with having an idea and wanting to stick to it - you will learn as you go along

just don't get discouraged if it gets too unmanageable or you lose interest

you will go through 50 incomplete projects before you actually make anything you're happy with showing

[tame lion]

you will also get A LOT faster at setting up prototypes once you have spent more time making games

[junior current]

Yes that is true

[haughty mulch]

dude, that looks awesome, well done

[tame lion]

its a struggle at first but i agree that you should finish things. that said dont let me discourage you

to quote fred

nothing wrong with having an idea and wanting to stick to it - you will learn as you go along

[haughty mulch]

but another thing on that note - you mentioned you had done drag and drop and visuals

word of advice for prototyping - write what will make it fun, not what looks good

seen a lot of people spend 20 hours drawing sprites for their awesome perfect idea, and realising way too late that it's not fun

or spent 12 hours on the best looking menu screen

use squares and steal sprites until you've gotten the core logic down

[haughty mulch]

i havent been quoted in years lmao

i feel special

[tame lion]

^ also good advice. that period of development with no art should be your "4 hours" like we said before. this is usually referred to as "grey box" development

[junior current]

I'll try to turn it simpler then and do the basic stuff

[haughty mulch]

and if you're anything like me, 99% of your project will be grey box

(because i can only draw grey boxes)

[junior current]

I love card games but its kinda different then other game where the state of the game is so "linear"

But maybe it's easier in the long run

Player draw
Player plays card
Enemy plays card
Creature fight
State check
Player draw

I'll try with events

[tame lion]

im in a similar boat. heres something im working on atm just slowly trying to get more detail and less boxy looking

[junior current]

Cool tho

I got 0 clue about 3d yet

Looks Doom-ish

[tame lion]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1075592860356837437/1075592860973412352/ZAP.gif

ty! 🙂 i am going for a quake/doom vibe

mixing stuff like this that i bought with stuff im making

[junior current]

Wtf very cool

[tame lion]

its a model i bought for 18 canadian I think. and the animations are inverese kinematics where it basically just follows the bone in front like the game snake

[haughty mulch]

ohh that's cool! what have you done to get the blood flowing around the fountain? anything with shaders or

[tame lion]

sry for sidelining the convo though

[tame lion]

ya its shader driven

[haughty mulch]

very very cool

i'm too embarrassed to even launch unity and show you anything - my recent project is me coming to terms with networking, it is a mare

[tame lion]

the pouring is just a model with a scrolling texture 🙂

[haughty mulch]

how long have you been developing?

[tame lion]

like 4 years all in my spare time. I work full time

[haughty mulch]

what do you do if you dont mind me asking?

[tame lion]

actually 5 now. but Im like a general fabricator i guess. I do lots of different stuff but basically an engineer gives me specs and i build it

for construction companies

[haughty mulch]

wow, very cool

[tame lion]

i used to work in the games industry but i quit cuz this makes more money lol

i did QA for close to min wage at one point

[haughty mulch]

what fuckin country pays min wage for a QA, that is an absolute outrage

oh actually, game dev

[tame lion]

🇨🇦

[haughty mulch]

my bad, just a shit industry

[tame lion]

ya lol. lots of people with 40k student debt and fancy degrees worked there too

[haughty mulch]

move to 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, QA for a web dev company

you'll get 45k right off the bat

[tame lion]

ooOh sounds nice

[haughty mulch]

i studied film prod, racked up almost 60k debt

was a music video producer for 3 years before COVID hit and i lost a lot of business

did a 13 week web dev bootcamp (cringey and cheesy but whatever), became a web dev straight after

the smart devs know to work in web and do games in spare time, because the games industry is completely broken atm

[tame lion]

eyah 100% web and app development are where its at financially. I just have no passion for making things like that

sry to hear about ur loss of bisuness

also I dont think the web dev course is cringe you gotta start somewhere. its potential scam territory with how prolific tutorials are on youtube

but not cringe

[junior current]

I'm backend Dev but yeah only one year in it so I suck 😞

[haughty mulch]

true - but i got in on a scholarship, and this course was unbelievably well thought out. a huge part of it was teaching you how to think (and google), it helped me so much

[haughty mulch]

you don't suck, you're learning

anyway, got to go - good luck with your card game mirrory

nice chatting to u both 🙂

[tame lion]

you as well