Seeing variables

[night kernel]

@crimson vale

[crimson vale]

hi

[night kernel]

@eternal marlin @cosmic plank

Alright

[cosmic plank]

We should send our explanations in one big message

[night kernel]

So who would like to explain to him

[cosmic plank]

not multiple tiny ones

[night kernel]

Yes sure

[crimson vale]

I have a feeling you guys would NOT want to see what I did to get my player to move

but yeah I know that public variables can be edited with through the inspector

and that they are able to be accessed by other objects

[cosmic plank]

[SerializeField] .. serializes the field.

Serialization just means converting something into a format that something else can read.

In this case, you're converting your field into a readable and writable field in the inspector window of your script.

You should do this instead of using public because you don't always want other scripts to be able to access everything. In fact, most of time you don't want any fields to be public.

TL;DR [SerializeField] makes your value show up in the Unity Editor (if it is supported), which will allow you to set it there instead of in the code

[crimson vale]

basically creating abstract info

wait... abstract?

[cosmic plank]

No, not really.

In the most basic terms, it's basically making a private field act as if it is public in the editor.

[night kernel]

So basically you have a float, it’s a variable

private float num

Now you look into your script in the inspector and you can’t see it

But how do you see a private variable

[SerializeField] float num

Like that ^^^
For now honestly, don’t worry about it and make them public

[crimson vale]

Okay

so.. why do i want this?

[cosmic plank]

You want to avoid "getting" things as much as possible

Like your player ship, you don't want to have to search for the player ship everytime you want to do something with it, that takes A LOT of time.

[night kernel]

They explained here why you would want to use that

[crimson vale]

would i do it like this?

[night kernel]

Yes

[cosmic plank]

yeah but i think the default accessability is public so you might need to specify "private"

[crimson vale]

i thought it defaults to private

[night kernel]

It’s private by default

[cosmic plank]

til

i've always specified private just because it looks more consistent but thats just a style thing

[night kernel]

Yeah

I’m already not used to writing private lol

[crimson vale]

okay

so

I am curious about something

how do i make something more easily referencable

[cosmic plank]

That question is a little bit vague

[eternal marlin]

private is implied when not typed

[night kernel]

You can drag stuff into the inspector fields

public GameObject obj; //Use the serialise thing if you want

And that will make a field in the inspector, and you will be able to drag any object in there

So then

[eternal marlin]

you shouldnt have to make anything public unless YOU MUST

even then use properties with private set

[crimson vale]

apparently there is a way to avoid this?

[cosmic plank]

If you want a reference to your game ship,

[SerializeField] GameObject playerShip;

then drag the ship in from the hierarchy into the slot in the inspector

[night kernel]

You can do

public GameObject obj;

void Start()
{
Destroy(obj); //the object that you dragged in
}

[eternal marlin]

doing find in Update is absolutely bad

performance and garbage collection wise

[cosmic plank]

and then replace each of those times you use GameObject.Find() with playerShip

[night kernel]

I make them public all the time, there isn’t too much of a negative effect

[crimson vale]

you are speaking over eachother again

[eternal marlin]

this is BAD practice

[crimson vale]

I dont know who to follow

[cosmic plank]

That's bad practice, especially in a collaborative setting

[night kernel]

Why though

Well I’m alone

Of course when with a team that’s different

[eternal marlin]

even still

[cosmic plank]

Even then, it's a terrible habit

[night kernel]

Eh idk

It doesn’t do anything bad to me

[night kernel]

Follow Null and Bunniico

[eternal marlin]

https://youtu.be/pD27YuJG3L8

[night kernel]

I’ve watched this

[eternal marlin]

it's a bad way of thinking

[night kernel]

I just watched it and still don’t really see much negative effects

[cosmic plank]

the jist of it is, you dont ever want to be able to use things that you shouldn't be able to

[night kernel]

But I know what I won’t need to use, since I’m alone

[cosmic plank]

you're essentially relying on your own ability to memorize how your own code works

[night kernel]

The naming makes it easy to understand

[cosmic plank]

in javascript i believe theres a term for it

[night kernel]

I won’t change “playerBody” because I know that it specifically belongs to that

[eternal marlin]

no one is here to convince you, but you can look into. this is bad practice especially if you're doing clean code and want to eventually save yourself from yourself

[crimson vale]

hey so my gameobject has a whitespace in its name

that apparently isnt good

[eternal marlin]

why is in brackets ?

[cosmic plank]

you can't do it inside of a method

[eternal marlin]

thats just ur decleration

[cosmic plank]

you cant declare a serialized field during runtime

that would be strange lol

[night kernel]

Also 2 names?

Don’t give them spaces

[eternal marlin]

https://learn.unity.com/project/beginner-gameplay-scripting @crimson vale

you should really be doing this

try not to waste others times

[night kernel]

Those robots bring memories

Learning from default unity tuts lol

[crimson vale]

I mean, you guys were making sense

[eternal marlin]

yes but it's better to follow a structured course

[cosmic plank]

specifically official ones that teach good practice

[night kernel]

@eternal marlin @cosmic plank Btw how long have you guys been learning for, you are very smart lol

[cosmic plank]

I dont know where you learned to use GameObject.Find() in Update() but it certainly wasn't from me or your father!

[cosmic plank]

somewhere between 4 and 8 years

[crimson vale]

I basically learn blindly

[night kernel]

Oh damn

Nice nice

[cosmic plank]

I'm still not very good at it though

[crimson vale]

I do it with pretty much anything

[eternal marlin]

ehh i stopped counting years ago

[cosmic plank]

I did too, and that's why it took me 4 years to be able to make the most basic racing game imaginable

[night kernel]

That means a pretty damn long time lmao

[cosmic plank]

Though i did it with only documentation.. so that's an achievement I guess

[night kernel]

Nice thanks for answering

[cosmic plank]

especially because unity docs are ASS

[eternal marlin]

nah i still learn new things in unity, from veterans around here

i worked mostly on mods in C++ source sdk

[night kernel]

Yeah, I mean you could always learn, nothing wrong with that 😌

[cosmic plank]

i just learned a couple minutes ago what the default accessability was

:3

[night kernel]

lol

[eternal marlin]

hate typing private all the time

lol

fuck that

[night kernel]

Yeah

Fr

It looks cleaner sometimes though

[cosmic plank]

visual studio i just have to type "p" and then press enter

[crimson vale]

Honestly this is my first major roadblock

[night kernel]

It would be cool if VS put private automatically

I guess

[eternal marlin]

yes theres useful ones like prop tab tab

[crimson vale]

So far I managed to do this, and only needed to look up two lines

[cosmic plank]

oh my lord

[eternal marlin]

ow

[night kernel]

Not a good way to do movement or rotation

[crimson vale]

ow?

[cosmic plank]

it hurts..

[crimson vale]

it didnt take me long

[cosmic plank]

flashbacks...

[crimson vale]

That makes me reluctant to show my keypress system

[night kernel]

What the

[crimson vale]

lol

[cosmic plank]

yandere dev code

[eternal marlin]

oh lord why everythingthis ?

[cosmic plank]

I DONT KNOW

[eternal marlin]

did you not ever use switch statements also ?

lol

[crimson vale]

yeah that stuff i do not understand yet

[cosmic plank]

thats not me and frankly i'm offended you would think it was

[crimson vale]

Not that I want to atm

[eternal marlin]

my eyes burn thx

[cosmic plank]

he doesn't even use enums...

theres so so much more

[eternal marlin]

lol idk i thought u said u showed ur first code

oh my

[night kernel]

Guys fix my code for me pls pls pls 🙏🙏🙏

[cosmic plank]

nah my old code was bad

[cosmic plank]

this except people actually post this on this server

[crimson vale]

I am pretty happy with the rotation. but something is wrong with it?

[night kernel]

Yeah sometimes lmao

[cosmic plank]

so much is wrong I don't know where to begin fixing it

[crimson vale]

i mean

it works?

pretty well at that

[night kernel]

Over complicated and probably not performant

[cosmic plank]

maybe it works but you broke multiple laws of coding

[crimson vale]

if its greater than/less than the target rotation it rotates towards it by 5

[cosmic plank]

one of the rules: avoid indentation
if you are putting if statements three layers deep, you're doing something wrong

[crimson vale]

weird

[cosmic plank]

https://www.w3schools.com/cs/cs_switch.php

[crimson vale]

I was always taught to avoid nested statements

[cosmic plank]

exactly, you are nesting a lot

[crimson vale]

if else statements are what I mainly use for that kind of logic

[cosmic plank]

else statements are kind of awful imo

[crimson vale]

and that WHOLE script uses if else statements

[cosmic plank]

post your code to hatebin or something

i wanna look at it

[crimson vale]

cant I just post it here

as a .txt

[cosmic plank]

its against the rules to

its in a thread so it probably wont be seen but still

[crimson vale]

ah, then I will remove it

[cosmic plank]

#854851968446365696

[crimson vale]

yeah I am looking through it again.

hatebin, huh?

[crimson vale]

how does hatebin work

I pasted the code to it but thats about it

[cosmic plank]

press the save icon, then send the link

i'll look at it and give you some suggestions

[crimson vale]

there is no link?

[cosmic plank]

the one in ur address bar

[crimson vale]

https://hatebin.com/

what

how

[eternal marlin]

hit save

[cosmic plank]

good try

[crimson vale]

its very well saved

[eternal marlin]

now send link

[crimson vale]

'

https://hatebin.com/

?!!

[eternal marlin]

u didnt click save

cause code still gray

[cosmic plank]

press the floppy disk

[crimson vale]

I did

[eternal marlin]

refresh page

try again

[crimson vale]

the floppy is greyed out after I click it but the URL does not change

[eternal marlin]

weird..

[crimson vale]

good lord.

[eternal marlin]

do you have any weird blocking extensions like javascript blockers

[crimson vale]

I turned off ublock origin

[cosmic plank]

https://hastepaste.com/

try this

[crimson vale]

same result

[eternal marlin]

or try edge

see its browser thing

[crimson vale]

!! https://hastepaste.com/view/rqjRQLG

[eternal marlin]

or that

[crimson vale]

now run

theres so many of them

[cosmic plank]

#1 all variables should be at the top of their domain

[eternal marlin]

look into Input.GetAxis("Horizontal")

[cosmic plank]

there's a loose rb down here for some reason

[crimson vale]

It appeared to not work unless it was there

[cosmic plank]

that shouldn't matter

[crimson vale]

i gave up on figuring out why

lol

[cosmic plank]

Methods should use CamelCase

variables use camelCase

[crimson vale]

methods remind me of functions

[cosmic plank]

they are the same

[crimson vale]

!!!

[cosmic plank]

different names of the same thing

[crimson vale]

that makes a LOT more sense

[eternal marlin]

?

PascalCase

camelCase

[cosmic plank]

yes that is the correct name

sorry for disrespecting the dude Pascal

[eternal marlin]

remember camel humps

o_OO_

[crimson vale]

thats funny

[eternal marlin]

Pascal was the homie

[cosmic plank]

public int barFoo = 10;

void FooBar()

naming example ^

[eternal marlin]

yes , proprieties still Pascal

[cosmic plank]

there are a lot of naming rules and they will vary wildly depending on who you're working with (including yourself)

[crimson vale]

is the naming system simply for easier reference and distinguishing between names?

[eternal marlin]

it's just coding convention

[cosmic plank]

They are for clarity & consistency

[eternal marlin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coding_conventions

[crimson vale]

Interesting

[cosmic plank]

It mattered a lot more back when code editors didn't use syntax highlighting however it is still the standard

also it just looks nicer

[eternal marlin]

yes like some people still use _privateVariable

[cosmic plank]

(you shouldn't use _ to prefix variables anymore)

[eternal marlin]

_ is common prefix for private member vars

I'm not saying I do it lol

[cosmic plank]

there's also a lot of spacing issues

[crimson vale]

hey so why does lookat have a declaration? I figured it would be a method

[cosmic plank]

it does not

LookAt is a method group

[crimson vale]

oh

[cosmic plank]

I believe an extension of Vector3 and Vector2

[crimson vale]

so transform.lookat? or something?

[eternal marlin]

transform

[eternal marlin]

best look at the docs when not sure https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Transform.LookAt.html

[crimson vale]

funny thing

Looking at it, and confusing myself

wait

i think i just got it

WOW

[cosmic plank]

declaration is how its declared in unity's code

that just tells you its accessibility, if its static/readonly/etc, and its parameters and return type

[crimson vale]

right

[eternal marlin]

its telling you its a method inside transform class

[crimson vale]

transform.lookat();

that would be the correct way to call it, correct?

and then the perameters

[eternal marlin]

yes because transform is already the instance to the objects Transform

[cosmic plank]

I cant remember if it's Transform or transform

[eternal marlin]

lowercase for the instance

[crimson vale]

Autocomplete made it transform

though i remember seeing an uppercase instance

[cosmic plank]

right but is it an extension or is it a method within the Transform type

[eternal marlin]

thats to declare something

public Transform myOtherObject

myOtherObject.LookAt(etc..

lowercase is the component every gameobject has

[cosmic plank]

oh ok so it's an extension

[eternal marlin]

its an instance of the class

[cosmic plank]

I meant the .LookAt part

[eternal marlin]

ohh its just a method ?

for Transform

[cosmic plank]

I was asking you if it was a method on Transform or if it was an extension method

[crimson vale]

hey so vector3.up would be Y axis, right?

[eternal marlin]

it would be Y+

[crimson vale]

so 0,1,0,

[cosmic plank]

the difference being

Transform.LookAt()

and

Transform myTransform;
myTransform.LookAt()

which one is it?

[crimson vale]

neither?

it appears to be transform.Lookat()

lowercase t

[eternal marlin]

right

you don't use the class directly..

[crimson vale]

oh, also

[eternal marlin]

but its instance

[crimson vale]

Am i missing something? It returns an error

[eternal marlin]

what is the error

ur probably not passing a vector3 or transform

playership must be either of those type or grab its transform with PlayerShip.transform

[crimson vale]

oh

[eternal marlin]

right or just keep it as a transform

[crimson vale]

yeah that makes sense

[eternal marlin]

Transform PlayerShip

you can still access gameobject from most types anyway..

[crimson vale]

PlayerShip.transform doesnt do it, doesnt it?

[eternal marlin]

it does

[crimson vale]

OH!

[eternal marlin]

im just saying you can just have it a transform type

[crimson vale]

I just figured out what you meant

[eternal marlin]

gameobject type is usually not useful anyway

[crimson vale]

you can load in different instances from different objects by calling them like that

and reference them when needed

[eternal marlin]

like i said you can make it closer to the type you'd need it to be

if you made a script called Player and you did cs public Player yourPlayer

you can then drag the object with script Player

but you can still do yourPlayer.gameObject

or yourPlayer.transform

[crimson vale]

Oh

[eternal marlin]

while being a Player type

[crimson vale]

i see

[eternal marlin]

if it's monobehavior of course

[crimson vale]

weird

it didnt actually reference the object without me using the inspector to select it manually

it works now, and follows the player

now to make the character a source of light

[cosmic plank]

its funny how different the difficulty of doing this in 2D is to 3D

[crimson vale]

uh

what

[cosmic plank]

doing it in 2D is a lot harder

[crimson vale]

oh

so If i wanted a 3D grid

as a backdrop

would I just have to copypaste a bunch of privative shapes?

[night kernel]

No

No

Please no

[crimson vale]

a 2D grid made by rectangle prisms

okay something tells me theres an easier way

[night kernel]

Well unless you want to waste time and want your game to run at 20 FPS then sure

[eternal marlin]

you can use a 3D grid

[night kernel]

That’s a way better way yes

Still wouldn’t recommend a ton of objects

[eternal marlin]

unless you do ecs/dots

[cosmic plank]

don't say those words they're just a baby

[night kernel]

Dots 💀

[crimson vale]

I am intrigued

[cosmic plank]

no you aren't, look away

[eternal marlin]

ECS is hawt

[crimson vale]

okay

[night kernel]

WHY SI THERE SO MUCH ANTS GODDAMN

Sorry

They make me angry

[crimson vale]

This is what I am trying to recreate

this is what I am at

[night kernel]

A background grid?

[cosmic plank]

thats probably just a pre-made png or a shader

[crimson vale]

its a pre-made png

I would know because i made that

lol

[night kernel]

Nice lol

[cosmic plank]

oh well images aren't very hard to put in

[crimson vale]

all of that is spritework

I am trying to recreate it somewhat but with a voxelated asthetic

(its a twin-stick)

[cosmic plank]

i dont think voxelizing 2D pixel art is very difficult but it is technical

[crimson vale]

Lmao I already did it once

the player ship in the unity screenshot

though it IS flat

[cosmic plank]

well it would have to be if you're doing a true voxelation

otherwise it's something seperate

[eternal marlin]

I think they are using a program like magicavoxel

[cosmic plank]

magica coxel 💀

[crimson vale]

actually I just used a CAD program, recreated the sprite, then extruded it

[eternal marlin]

lol

yu just like doing stuff complicated huh

[cosmic plank]

its more complicated but it is faster

than tracing

[crimson vale]

eh. I'm certified in it

so it's really easy to me

[eternal marlin]

i mean magicavoxel is made for this stuff lol click to build

[cosmic plank]

yeah but for converting sprites to voxel?

using blender is better for something like that because its fast

[crimson vale]

besides I find it more fun. Makes me feel like I have a closer attachment to what I am making

[eternal marlin]

iirc it has a tool to convert it but yea

[crimson vale]

though its complete malarkey in a practical sense.

[eternal marlin]

if you plan a lot of bullet spawns consider learning Pooling

otherwise performance will suffer in those type of bullet hells

[crimson vale]

oh boy

is it considered self promotion if i try to show you guys JUST what this game actually is

[eternal marlin]

but thats later

[cosmic plank]

i doubt the mods would care

[crimson vale]

I could show you the steam link, which has a gameplay video on its store page

[cosmic plank]

but null is right, pooling would be better

bullet hells are also hell for the GC

[eternal marlin]

lol indeed

sometimes particles with colliders will also do the job, depending on usecase

[crimson vale]

This game literally has enemies spawning everywhere, rapidly

Each with a behavior unique to their type

[cosmic plank]

ok well maybe ECS would be the better use, however ECS sucks ass in unity

[crimson vale]

rapidly as in the screen is full within seconds

[eternal marlin]

ehh start with Pooling

then work ur way to dots

maybe throw some coroutines to mess with like some async stuff

[cosmic plank]

coroutines do not go into other threads

afaik

[crimson vale]

is it possible for light to hit an object but still pass through it

as if the object is the source of light itself

[cosmic plank]

uhh

it would depend on the material i think

[crimson vale]

I want the ship to illuminate the area around it while also being illuminant itself

[cosmic plank]

oh then you want it to be emissive

[crimson vale]

the material?

[cosmic plank]

there should be a box that says "emission"

[crimson vale]

oh, okay!

[cosmic plank]

and you can choose its color and intensity

[crimson vale]

that color can be cycled through like the ship's material color, right?

[cosmic plank]

umm

well the emission color is an HDR color so idk

are you doing it through animation?

[crimson vale]

nope

[eternal marlin]

you can also throw a light above it

[crimson vale]

direct editing of the material through visual script since thats what i used while starting the project

[crimson vale]

thats what I tried at first

[eternal marlin]

you need to be around surfaces you can actually illuminate

[crimson vale]

the ship itself was illuminated

along with the primitive plane I have under it

[eternal marlin]

oh ok and add emissive to complete the look

[crimson vale]

this is basically what the ship does

you guys cant see it in a screencap obviously

but thats what it looks like

[cosmic plank]

shareX is a cool tool that lets u capture gifs quickly btw :)

[crimson vale]

I wanted to add the light to give it a glow effect

neat

[cosmic plank]

bloom will do that

so you use emission on the material, and then add bloom as a PPFX

[eternal marlin]

yes u need pp to work

[cosmic plank]

i mean personally I don't need PP to work

but sometimes it feels like that in this industry yknow 🙄

[crimson vale]

hey so I am not sure I am getting something

[cosmic plank]

uh huh

[crimson vale]

I want to reference the light component

so that I can change it's color through script

[eternal marlin]

[SerializeField] Light mySpecificLight

this one of those cases where_ is good

[cosmic plank]

I dont think I've ever used Component

[crimson vale]

oh

[eternal marlin]

cause it will give u a green sqiggle

[crimson vale]

so I want to use Light instead of Component?

[eternal marlin]

you inherit from it but not really use it in editor

[cosmic plank]

Yeah, Component is pretty much useless for your purposes

[crimson vale]

Wow that was kinda stupid

[eternal marlin]

always double check docs..https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Light.html

[cosmic plank]

well everything you put on a gameobject is a monobehavior

so you almost always want to use the name OF the monobehavior

[crimson vale]

okay

so basically a component is just a prebaked script

that sets something up

[cosmic plank]

not really

[crimson vale]

oh

[cosmic plank]

well technically all of the code is pre-baked

that's what compiling is lol

[eternal marlin]

everything on the gameobject is a component

unity is Component based

[cosmic plank]

A component in general terms is something that extends an entity that adds behavior and data

[eternal marlin]

Rigidbody is a component

etc.

[eternal marlin]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Component.html

[cosmic plank]

In ECS, components only have data, no logic which makes it a lot more complicated to think about IMO

[eternal marlin]

the unity ones are just scripts, so yeah components made by unity

[crimson vale]

i see

okay

I am looking at the light documentation

I dont see anything about modifying RGB channels individually

[eternal marlin]

you don't

you have the make a new Color

and plug it in

[crimson vale]

oh

thats right

so

[cosmic plank]

you should probably just use animations

[crimson vale]

light.color = newcolor(RGB)?

[cosmic plank]

it'll be a lot easier than keying in your own animations in a script

[eternal marlin]

Color32 myCoolColor = new (123f/255f, 29f/255f, 45f/255f);

[crimson vale]

I want to learn it this way for now. just for the sake of getting it

and its on a scale of 0 to 1 right

instead of 0 - 255

[cosmic plank]

i think it is 0-255

[eternal marlin]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Color32.html

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Color.html

so i was mistaken

[crimson vale]

was already looking at it

[eternal marlin]

color32 is for what i sent

[crimson vale]

so color32 is what i want

that WOULD save me some unnecessary math, right?

[eternal marlin]

color32 yes

[crimson vale]

ok

brb let me try to apply that

Pulled it off

[crimson vale]

color32 didn't work out for me for some reason but color did

there was apparently some sort of conversion error

[eternal marlin]

yeah color was correct

idk why second guessed

it has input for RGB

iirc it converts it or something

[crimson vale]

I managed to get this script finished pretty fast, too

but I think I am beginning to grasp the object concepts better

So this code works but what can be improved?

[crimson vale]

color32 apparently takes bytes instead of floats

[eternal marlin]

yes thats 0 to 255

[crimson vale]

would int do the job?

wait

no

is byte a datatype that I havent heard of?

[eternal marlin]

new Color32(77, 77, 122, 255);

[crimson vale]

does it convert ints into bytes?

[eternal marlin]

byte . 0-255

[crimson vale]

yeah, i get that

[eternal marlin]

its a struct in c#

[crimson vale]

oh

[eternal marlin]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.byte?view=net-7.0

[crimson vale]

thats probably why I havent heard of it yet

havent looked into that yet

[eternal marlin]

I mean its a very important thing in computer science in general

lol

[crimson vale]

I mean

i understand the byte

i just didnt know if it was a datatype on the same level as floats and ints

like
private byte varName = 0;
or something

[eternal marlin]

right

[cosmic plank]

i was in a computer class for a little before i dropped out and i never really did learn what a signed vs unsigned number is

[eternal marlin]

if you write to textures you do stuff like that

[cosmic plank]

(referring to this)

[crimson vale]

I was never taught what unsigned and signed numbers are

[cosmic plank]

i think its when the first bit means if the number is positive or negative right?

[crimson vale]

so I STILL dont know

oh, so -/+

[cosmic plank]

yeah i think thats what that means

but i didn't pay attention

[crimson vale]

is there any way to improve on that code?

[cosmic plank]

which code?

the code u sent earlier?

[crimson vale]

this one

[eternal marlin]

there is always ways to improve

[crimson vale]

well, yeah

but whats the best way to improve now

aside from doing those tutorials

i HATE tutorials

[eternal marlin]

what u needing to improve exactly ?

if it works just keep going

no reason to refactor until necessary

[crimson vale]

Well, I still to some degree lack the object oriented nature of c#, but thats something I want to pick up on as I go on

Tutorials just dont work for me

and i know thats my own fault

[eternal marlin]

well I did link you to a few structured pathways

idk u learn how u learn, just find the things u encounter or hear here and watch different mediums

[crimson vale]

oh

so i noticed some desync between the ship color and the light color

though they SHOULD be identical

here's the funny part

I used visual scripting for changing the material

[cosmic plank]

use ++ instead of += 1

[crimson vale]

I’m calling it a night.

I’m tired

Cya

[eternal marlin]

it's the same thing lol

[cosmic plank]

exactly, but one is shorter

[eternal marlin]

true

as long its not cool = cool +1;

[cosmic plank]

haha yeah that would be bad

[crimson vale]

….

[cosmic plank]

my nightmare is real

[crimson vale]

It’s been a while since I’ve coded so I dropped that. I remember that it exists now though.

[eternal marlin]

it's rampant in #💻┃code-beginner

[crimson vale]

Anyways so as of now you can move the ship freely. It tilts to the left or right depending on which way it has to rotate. And it glows. Also the camera works

[cosmic plank]

everything's rampant in #💻┃code-beginner

[crimson vale]

I want to learn how to make it fire bullets

[night kernel]

Many tutorials

But you’d use Instantiate() and AddForce() mostly

[cosmic plank]

you really wanna be using rigidbodies on bullets?

in that sense i mean

[night kernel]

One way

[eternal marlin]

nothing wrong with it if done correct

[cosmic plank]

seems a little overkill for something that can be done by just moving Forward * Time.deltaTime * Speed

[eternal marlin]

physics = fun bouncy bounce

[night kernel]

Raycasts: Eh, not cool for bullets
Rigidbody: Can be expensive, but cool 😎
Transform: Cheap, but not as cool as physics

[eternal marlin]

depends more on the weapon type

hitscan weapons , raycast is better

[night kernel]

Well yeah

[eternal marlin]

rigidbody have a hard time registering almost instant collisions

not accurate

[night kernel]

Yep, and also when you get too close to a wall it can get weird

[eternal marlin]

when fast at least

raycast has it's annoyances like manually adding bullet drops or a bullet tracer that isn't instant

[crimson vale]

Oh well in actual game the bullets are intangible and disappear at the first thing they hit

Maybe a small spherical collider?

[cosmic plank]

spherical colliders are slower than squares i think

[crimson vale]

Really?

[night kernel]

What do you think is hardest to program from scratch

-Simple physics calculations
-Collision detections
-Rotations

[cosmic plank]

intuitively that would make sense

[night kernel]

Isn’t sphere colliders just like a math equation

[cosmic plank]

yeah but a circle is more complicated than a square

therefore it would be slower, which is a bad thing in a bullet hell

[night kernel]

Well it’s a bit different when it comes to collision I think

You can extend a box in any way

[cosmic plank]

wait

i'm wrong

spheres are EASIER because they only have to calculate the distance

[night kernel]

Sphere is just a center and radius

Yep

[cosmic plank]

but a sphere-shaped mesh collider would probably be terrible

[night kernel]

Oh course lol

It’s Friday tomorrow, I’ll finally be able to work on my game again

(I can only work on weekends and Friday)

[eternal marlin]

all the primitives are fine

they are primitives for a reason lol

[night kernel]

Yes

Capsule colliders are interesting

[eternal marlin]

mesh colliders are def expensive indeed tho

[night kernel]

A sphere collider but you can stretch it

[eternal marlin]

your limbs are kinda like capsules

[night kernel]

Yeah my game uses ProBuilder, and there’s simple shapes like rectangles, they all use mesh colliders, I’ll need to switch it to box

[night kernel]

True…

[eternal marlin]

just switch them yourself

youll get prob a slight boost

it should auto detect the shape if its squared

[night kernel]

What if colliders irl where like primitive shapes 🤔

[eternal marlin]

or use convex

[night kernel]

I do

That helps? (For those type of shapes)

But honestly I’ll just switch to Box

[eternal marlin]

it helps because yeah sometimes it's the only way to use mesh collider with rigidbody

[night kernel]

Yeah I will lol

Yes that’s what I do

Also

One problem with them, Pipe shapes

They sadly cover up the opening

😔

[eternal marlin]

yeah it's a pain with that

[night kernel]

Yep

And my game is completely a physics game

So I guess pipes won’t be able to be rigidbodies

[cosmic plank]

technically the universe made of an infinite number of tiny sphere colliders

[eternal marlin]

that explains why Life is balls..

[night kernel]

Yeah technically

Oh yeah so how much vertices does a human body have

[cosmic plank]

about 7 x 10^27

[night kernel]

Nah I think more

[cosmic plank]

depends how many vertices you eat :Clueless:

oh rip nitro

[night kernel]

Lmao

[night kernel]

Don’t we lose skin vertices all the time though, so you don’t Have a consistent vert count

[cosmic plank]

well yeah

irl everybody has a mutable mesh

[night kernel]

Yep

[cosmic plank]

so you can only estimate how many verts someone's mesh has

[night kernel]

Yeah yeah

We are also equipped with procedural animations

[cosmic plank]

true

physics based too

[night kernel]

Yeah

Very cool

[cosmic plank]

very expensive computer running us

[night kernel]

Veryyyy

[cosmic plank]

at least got like a 1660 super or something

maybe 2 gigs of ram

[night kernel]

Yeah but star materials are too emissive

[cosmic plank]

i pity the artist who had to make the LODS on all the planets and stars we haven't been to yet

[night kernel]

Yeah

[cosmic plank]

they could've just made a white dot billboarded sprite for most of them 🤦‍♀️

[night kernel]

Also is there a lot of GetComponent calls when doing certain things? Like hitting a rigidbody to add force to it

[night kernel]

Fr

[cosmic plank]

nah they def use ECS

[night kernel]

Oh yeah probably

[cosmic plank]

also i bet they batch up the colliders

[night kernel]

Also APPARENTLY there’s no limit to lights, I assume we are Forward rendering?

[cosmic plank]

well technically the lights are culled whenever someone doesn't see them

[night kernel]

But I mean, there is raytracing

So can they be culled?

The rays bounce everywhere

[cosmic plank]

yes I believe so

[night kernel]

Oh wow

[cosmic plank]

if the end point of a ray is not perceived, it's not rendered

[night kernel]

Oh right!

[cosmic plank]

its very efficient, which is weird because most things are horribly inefficient

[night kernel]

Oh AND APPARENTLY there’s no limit to how much Audio sources can be played at once 🤨

[night kernel]

Yeah

And cells are prefabs, they get Instantiateded at each other’s position

[cosmic plank]

Technically there's only one audio source since all of the audio heard by the audio listener

and the audio is just air waves very quickly

[night kernel]

Wait wait wait

There can by only one Audio listener

[cosmic plank]

Right, there is one audio listener for every player

only the player can hear their own audio listener

[night kernel]

Oh

Interesting…

[cosmic plank]

It gets disabled dynamically so only the player's own listener is enabled at a time

[night kernel]

That’s a pretty smart system

[cosmic plank]

i can't imagine the poor GC

[night kernel]

And is render distance… Math.Infinity ? 🤔

[cosmic plank]

technically it's not infinite

[night kernel]

Yeah very sad

[cosmic plank]

but the distance becomes bigger every second

eventually it will stop

[night kernel]

Oh yeah

[cosmic plank]

It's expanding at 73km per megaparsec

[night kernel]

And it’s so long it probably ends somewhere in space where you can’t see that far

[cosmic plank]

(or once every 3.26 million years)

[night kernel]

Oh yeah

But like

Why 2 eyes

Unnecessary additional rendering

[cosmic plank]

it's not unnecessary, we do it for VR

[night kernel]

Oh yeah true

Forgot about that

Also whoever made our way of machine learning is very bad, humans just get dumber each time 🤔

[cosmic plank]

man that is a SCARY name for a wikipedia article

[night kernel]

Lmao

Oh my god what’s this conversation though

[cosmic plank]

idk it feels more like a 2am conversation

[night kernel]

Yeah lol

Funni

[cosmic plank]

https://www.youtube.com/c/TierZoo

its basically how this channel talks

i regret choosing human but i at least got lucky and joined the NA server

[night kernel]

Human bad 😔

[cosmic plank]

bro what the trailer came out like 5 hours ago 💀

[night kernel]

Yeah im still confused lmao

Mario bros movie or something

[cosmic plank]

?

[night kernel]

Idk everyone’s saying something like that

[cosmic plank]

yea the mario bros movie trailer came out today

[night kernel]

Yeah

[cosmic plank]

i watched the trailer, it was meh, but chris pratt should not be mario