Possible Leaderboard cheating?

[spring marsh]

I've been really trying to get to #1 spot in leaderboard, but once I hit #3 I saw the gap to #2 is waaaay to big (over 2000!).

I don't think it's possible to have such high scores of 'science' by normal means. I can only imagine the person on #1 has an even more impossible high amount of 'science'.

Can you guys look into this? And maybe see if there's been possible cheating? If not, I take my hat off for the players in current #1 & #2 spot in my event leaderboard 👑

PlayerID: 3FD6963B37B8773
Leaderboard division ID: #33

Thanks 👍🏼

[tranquil flax]

Yes there is cheating in this game

[sly musk]

Im sweaty af

But still missing 1886 to top 3 somehow

The old race was good

[lunar matrix]

Old race was filled with cheaters. This one is better.

[upper valve]

Considering the amount of points needed to get to 1st place, on every single leaderboard I've played, I would say that this new thing is not better.
The old version, I would win some and not win some others, but this? I just can't be bothered. Even with max boost and 220+% bonus and constantly tapping, there's no way to reach that no1 spot. Often, I keep up for the first hour or so, but then I get pushed down to top 10 and need ridiculous amounts to get back to top 3. And considering only top 3 is actually worth anything, it just takes the fun out of the race.

[acoustic ocean]

I mean, top 10 already gets more than the previous reward for the first place

Top 50 gets 25 logits, the same as the first place reward, and also a gold geode

[upper valve]

When you're maxed out on beyond and bought everything possible with logits? The old race was fun because you could actually see the finish-line , and race there. Now you know the finish-line is somewhere a few days off, and you see that you will never have a chance to get there to win something, and you don't get the thrill of racing with the others to get there first, so then what?

And watching people who either pour shitloads of money into the game, or blatant cheaters, looses its fun real fast.

[sly musk]

So true

In my opinion they should not remove the old leaderboards but just add this top 500 and it would be extremely better than it is right now because now you need to claim rewards every few hours and buy generators to get to the top

Let's be honest now you need to tryhard more than few hours everyday to get top against cheaters

Back then you just had to finish the event and you get all the rewards but you need to wait until event ends

[remote loom]

Definitely seeing the same here. No first for me this time around!

[crystal kernel]

I started an hour late, have been running bots almost non-stop since then, and still can't breach the top 100, autoclickers are now ruining things for 500+ people instead of 25 or whatever the old groups were

[fresh lodge]

Same for me

[fresh lodge]

And i have 2.5k points

[covert pebble]

Even with autoclickers you cannot catch up

[light vigil]

The first day...

[rose plover]

the first day

[inland chasm]

whats all of your division IDs ?

[rose plover]

Mine is 112, why?

[inland chasm]

It helps us look into the players in your division to check if they were actually cheaters or not, a score of 87k is definitely an anomaly and that should have been flagged by our existing cheating detection systems so we'll look into the issue

[stoic widget]

same!

theres someone at 1383 points already

and i only jave like

200? i dont know

[stoic widget]

also uh mine aswell give you my division id just incase

156

bro the hell

how is it

increasing so much

[amber bridge]

So true
The new leaderboard is very uncomfortable

[gleaming crescent]

No way I can catch up. I hope there's a way to find when people are doing this kind of thing.

[glossy mulch]

Players apparently get flagged past a certain score

[glacial creek]

This is a terrible update

[glossy mulch]

?

[glacial creek]

If you finish the event, you have to come back to tap the gold things . If you have ad free you get all of them.

It is pay to win leaderboard now, and it is just a churn to make cash.

[glossy mulch]

You still have to click on them in the first place (which takes long) and most of them only give 1 point (the same as a generator)

[rose turret]

people use the time glitch and go back only a day and get alot of currency then they buy gens and cheat

[gleaming zinc]

Same here, my division is 26

[glossy mulch]

Hi aditya, the same thing happened in division #160, at least the top 3 have an unachievable score by normal means

[dreamy blaze]

I guess they're banning now cuz They banned one guy in div 7, I moved one spot up,now there's only one cheater left in the division😤

[quaint mason]

In div 4 i struggled to reach 1st, within a second or two i was back in 2nd with 470 point to first. Enough

[spring marsh]

Obviously some of us want to spend some precious time actually reaching top 10 / top 3. Most of those players are probably 'end game players', having cleared 98-100% of the game and looking for ways to find a challenge. For those players it's not about the rewards (which imho arent really appealing at all) but more about the fun and race against others.

All the more pain in the *ss when you find out the true upper echelons are dominated by cheating players etc.

It's very displeasing to say the least. It makes you regret putting in a lot of effort and not do so for future events. It makes you lose interest, create aversion playing the game entirely (I've seen plenty of comments supporting this).

My suggestion for now: @inland chasm take a look at the entire top3 in every division and look into every one of them when their score seems suspicious. Like when they have a very high score within several hours, or when they have (for top notch human standards) extremely high scores. You can probably look into their data, or logs or something the like.

• Sudden extreme increase? Ban
• Continuous robot like increase? Jail
• Otherwise cheater like scores? Straight to jail 👑😜

These are just some tips against cheating, but more changes could be applied to make this more fun, challenging, appealing etc. Maybe I'll comment them here later 🙂

Cheers! 🎉

[inland chasm]

Hey @everyone! Thanks so much for your honest feedback and helpful suggestions. We understand the frustration due to cheating, especially when everyone dedicates time to reach the top of the leaderboard.

We have a system in place to identify and ban cheaters, but we've found that a recent bug has allowed a few to slip through. To combat it for now we've been manually reviewing thousands of player progressions to check and remove cheaters from the leaderboard.

We're aiming to release a patch by next week that should hopefully resolve the majority of these issues, making the leaderboard much more fairer to compete in and also making it more fun.

We're always listening to what you guys have to say and really appreciate your thoughts—good or bad. They help us make the game better. Keep the feedback coming, it'll help us keep improving. Thanks, everyone!

[crystal kernel]

I feel like being able to tap the other ranks and see the distance between where I am and where they are would make me feel like there was less of a chance of me losing to cheaters and more that they were just more active, if that makes sense, otherwise we're kind of just relying on the top 10 people in each rank to police each other

[glossy mulch]

Oh wow they actually did it, thanks Aditya and devs!

Cheaters are gone in division #160

[clever swift]

You guys do realize this is a pay to win game. Buy cubes, time warp till your fingers bleed or don't and be happy. The progress is designed to make people spend money. If you are not spending money, don't expect to win. Just enjoy the content and move on.

[rose turret]

Forgot the Darwinium Codes?
What about Patience for Time Fluxing?

It isn't necessary to win
Sure I maybe a very insane perfectionist but you have to see that you can still win without even a single cent.
We humans, often go to what is easier because it is what is that provides us comfort and/or relaxation.

Want advice?
: Start Early
: Try to get a 4× Boost by watching ads or using extra Darwinium
: Go back every 1-2 hours

[hidden plover]

Thats wrong after some time your income and ability to buy more generetors plateau due to exponential rising prices, using timewarp will do nothing. The main activity to gain score is simply to stay online 24/7 caching quantum charges.

[proven valley]

yeah pretty fun. currently i have to farm 500-3000 Charges for #1 . I also wanted to sleep again at some point

[late crane]

Yeah it’s not fun at all. Before I would spam ads just to complete the event as fast as possible, not just for rewards but just to be done with it so I can focus on other things. Now they expect us to grind the event from start to end, each and every single event? I think there is an idea there that is sound, but the execution is extremely poor. I’m hopeful for improvements, otherwise I’ll just devolve to a passive player and take what I can get.

[carmine quiver]

Same here, the gap is ridiculous

[late crane]

That’s terrible lol

[wild dagger]

I think PC players also have an advantage over mobile players with various clicker programs available - maybe separate leagues for PC and mobile users ?

[light vigil]

Помогите мне, пожалуйста, я не читер, я не знаю как меня сюда занесло, с первого дня обновления, как я понял в 666 одни читеры

Please help me, I'm not a cheater, I do not know how I got here, from the first day of the update, as I understood in 666, there are only cheaters

[inland chasm]

DM me your playfab ID, i'll take a look

[quaint mason]

I may be wrong but please take a look at the #2 player in Div 2. I'm the #3. He is showing step changes is value that seem impossible at this stage in the game. I went from 346 to 375 from second in on go, 29 points. This has happened repeatedly all morning at seeming regular intervals. Again, I may be wrong an if so I apologize but it looks strange. 330->360->415 , i give up. I have better things to do then play an impossible game of chase.

[late crane]

That. I’ve played another game where they have anti-cheat popups, kinda like captcha. But we have other things that give unfair advantages, such as the new paid pass that allows you to blitz through speed boosts without ads. None of it is considered cheating, but they give players a boost over the rest and it sucks. It’s fine for PVE content, but pay to win in PVP never feels right.

Ofcourse I paid for the pass and I enjoy the boost it provides in Beyond, etc, but I feel dirty in events 😂

[acoustic ocean]

Android can download an autoclicker too
Not sure about iOS

[hidden plover]

It is easier though to keep your pc on all night than your android device... It you keep it running while plugged to charger things can get hot

[inland chasm]

For future references, this is your playfab ID at the very bottom of the game, I'll check your profile now

[light vigil]

Understood you, thank you very much

[light vigil]

3EC27F4DA13F3B72

[inland chasm]

I've DMed you ^^

[near garnet]

我才二千多我本来在第二天做完了后面删除想不完了最后更新又完了比别人少了二天

我这个怎么回事明明到一百多了现在又是800多了

[snow crystal]

That seems a lot of Science items only 150 minutes away from the event opening

[gleaming crescent]

This one seems borderline; not sure if it's possible or not, 7 hours from start

[native hull]

Nah thats legit wym

[gilded flicker]

Yeah that’s me actually

[umbral shuttle]

I think #666 is the cheaters division

@inland chasm Check me, im in division #666 and its very hard to advance. I can't reach al least 700th place.

My playfab: 51ABAFE929602318

[spark beacon]

7920 seems totally ridiculous, is that a sign of someone cheating?

[merry bobcat]

This is an amazing game because it's different from most other mobile games. These event competitions seem to break the peace of the game and move it to the bin with other stock games. And I'm honestly not even sure what it expects of us, what's the design here? Are we expected to install auto clickers? Or is that what's getting banned? Is the idea that we tap constantly on our screens 4 days straight? Event after event? Or should we just keep the game running non-stop? What a great use of natural resources of this planet would that be, especially on PCs. I honestly can't tell what the core of the competition is. I started 2 hours in, have 250% or so boost and had been upgrading as soon as upgrades were available (these fungus events are done within hours). Yet my rank has 3 digits, so I guess people just run clickers? The previous race kind of event was not appealing to me either, but at least it didn't require much. I'd be done with it in a few hours and get a few unneeded logits for the 1st place. No loss. Here it's really in our face.

[midnight juniper]

Rhere is only one problem that is just about impossible to detect: a cheater using a cheat so they are only 1 point above the person in second

[sage pulsar]

My ranking is greyed out and I didn't receive any prizes for the last competition despite being quite high up the table. Is this a known bug?

[inland chasm]

Hey I ended up checking your profile and looks like you are on divison #666 since you've timeskipped a lot of times.

We recently modified our systems internally and we currently cant unban you due to the way the system works. The unbanning process would continue after we do our next patch.

[inland chasm]

Yes, thats a known bug. Do refer to the latest ingame news post about it (#📢-announcements)

[sage pulsar]

thank you for the clarification 🙂

[sleek crane]

The #1 guy has been busy...

[umbral shuttle]

what do you mean with that (i dont speak english that well)

[umbral shuttle]

and the translator is not very precise

[umbral shuttle]

And yes, im not a cheater

[formal river]

your profile was checked
looks like you ended up in #666 because you skipped time (changing device date i suppose)
due to recent system changes you can't be unbanned as of now

[umbral shuttle]

mexico has many timezones. It can be because of i go to mty many times.

[formal river]

that could be the case

[umbral shuttle]

or can be because i did that since 5 years ago, when i was 9

[formal river]

nah it wouldn't remember that far back

[umbral shuttle]

so its the timezone

[formal river]

games don't really like changing timezones
i had that with a different one

[umbral shuttle]

now we are going to mty many times because of passport and visa tramits

example: here is 4:32 pm and there is 3:32 pm

so amlo is guilty

:c

lmao

[formal river]

the only way i can see the timezone issue be fixed is for the game to somehow look at the GMT+0 time instead of timezone specific time

[buoyant hearth]

Typically when you get the current time in code it's in UTC or seconds/milliseconds since Jan 1st 1970.

[formal river]

unix time is in milliseconds i think

[umbral shuttle]

yeha

[formal river]

nope it's seconds

[umbral shuttle]

Thats the solution. An unique timezone. But we will need geolocalization 💀

[formal river]

people typically don't change timezones often

[umbral shuttle]

yeah

i think the game need to work like this

(you select a timezone and you need ubication to update it)

For the moment i need a secondary account but idk if it can be counted as cheating.

i mean to play in game without being 666

its boring

ok im going to do a deposit and later i check terms and conditions again

[dusty jasper]

So division #666 is for cheaters and if you timeskip a lot of times(trying to maintain rank) you'll be considered a cheater?

[crystal kernel]

timeskip (setting ahead your clock and then collecting rewards and setting the clock back) yes, time flux (the actual mechanic that costs darwinium) no

[umbral shuttle]

yeah, i use time flux, as all should be

[buoyant hearth]

@inland chasm This person was still at 14k ahead this morning and now at 36k? I don't see how that's possible. I can DM my playfab ID if you need it.

[inland chasm]

We account for timezone changes and that wouldnt flag you as a cheater, only changing your dates manually count (doesnt matter how far before you did it).

[sweet brook]

Division ID #253. I am at 2nd place have about 3000 points but still 10000+ away from the 1st

[merry spear]

Might have a probable on Div #26

[inland chasm]

Yes thats the case, however we do realise that sometimes players get punished for things that they've done years ago, We're working internally to see if we can prevent that from happening to give everyone a fair chance.

[dusty jasper]

Well since the leaderboard update I'm in division 666 🥲🥲🥲
Why so?

[inland chasm]

Send your playfab ID, i'll take a look

[sage pulsar]

division #226 i'm in 4th position with 3183 pts and 3rd place is over 5k ahead of me.

[inland chasm]

All of these players should be taken care of, do report if you see any new ones popping up ^^

cc @sage pulsar as well

[sage pulsar]

Thanks, you guys are doing a great job keeping on top of it

[inland chasm]

Hey 👋,

Thanks for the feedback on the leaderboard, We're aware of few of the issues with the leaderboard as you've described and we're actually creating something brand new that should complement the existing system making the competition more enjoyable and less intensive. Its still in the an internal testing phase but I'm looking forward to see if you find that better whenever it comes out 🤞

[pallid sundial]

@inland chasm
I got to 2nd place seeing no unusual score differences between ranks... until now... Is this score really legit? Could you please look into it? Thank you!

[wild dagger]

I have 10k and havent played much the past day or two - Its possible to get that yer

[reef reef]

I understand maybe a few thousand but 7k more from 2nd to 1st. That's demoralizing and not normal. Could someone look into this please?

[wild dagger]

but possible

And no, its not me, im in a different division then you, dont worry hehe

[lunar fossil]

everyone in division 666 is cheating

[umbral shuttle]

No, im not cheating

[buoyant hearth]

Is that your leaderboard @lunar fossil? If so, division 666 is where players flagged as cheaters are sent.

[umbral shuttle]

@inland chasm pls help

WTF???????????

there are so many glitches

Lmfaooo

[lunar fossil]

My fault

[umbral shuttle]

never restart the game

[umbral shuttle]

okay, whats your actual score?

to do the innocents leaderboard

[lunar fossil]

That 2nd image

Is my actual score

[umbral shuttle]

Okay

I think you should be 2nd now (without cheaters)

wait me

[merry spear]

1st be flyin'.

[umbral shuttle]

||f*ck||

[merry spear]

Yeah, i gave up trying to catch up, last night.

now just trying to maintain 2nd

[dusty jasper]

Mine

[lunar fossil]

Mine now

Whoever is in 1st place in division 666 needs to reveal themselves

[dusty jasper]

U need 647 to reach top 500 while I need 2734!!
Funny eh!
At the start of event I reached top 25 then another sec I'm thrown to 700s and since then I was never able to break it

When we both are in same division then why such big difference!!

[umbral shuttle]

So the real known leaderboard for now is:

1st.lysander3x3x3 | 4045 sci
2nd.scarlet_twice | 2656 sci
3rd.blank1410 | 2582 sci
4th.zaden2009 | 2507 sci

And @merry spear was suspictious before i discovered the sci-score mechanics

[merry spear]

Sorry, im not up on the lingo. Suspicious as a cheat?

[inland chasm]

This should be fixed now, I'm not seeing this on our end

[inland chasm]

Should have been fixed ^^

[pallid sundial]

Yes, I recieved my rewards. Thank you! Great job!

[inland chasm]

Hey this should've been fixed a while ago but I'm curious, what division does the game say you are in right now ?

Its weird cuz I dont see your profile in the 26th divison

[merry spear]

Yeah, it says i'm still in Div #26. 3rd rank, at the moment.

[inland chasm]

Just to confirm, this is your playfab ID right 1E177A729C5C1010 ?

you should be able to check it on the bottom of the right side menu

[merry spear]

Yes, that's it.

[inland chasm]

Ah you're there, it was an oversight on my end,I justs missed that profile

[inland chasm]

What game version are you in atm ?

[merry spear]

Says 25.82

[inland chasm]

Ah okay gotcha, thanks

[umbral shuttle]

How much time we need to wait until be transferred to another division? It starts getting frustrating. :c

[native hull]

Actually yes, possible

[inland chasm]

Until next patch, If you're on beta then that would be very soon

[umbral shuttle]

Yeah, im beta

But i don't receive beta updates

[inland chasm]

It'll be out onto production soon (no ETA promises but within next update) so not an issue even if you dont have beta updates atm

[umbral shuttle]

Yeah

The issue is:

Im in beta but i don't have beta update

[proven valley]

hey @inland chasm, started the event 5 hours ago in division #316. How long is a period of time in which you end up in a division with others? The 1st place in my division has 2k science more than me. is this still possible?

[merry spear]

Totally possible, as the event has been running for 3 days.

[proven valley]

I know, but until now I assumed that when you start the event. you end up in a division where everyone starts "at the same time". so I think 1st place only had 5-6 hours of time like I did

or is it different?

[umbral shuttle]

If there are not enought in a division, you get moved

I think

[buoyant hearth]

What's your score?

[spark beacon]

So I don't know enough to say this is cheating... but earlier today I was #1 in my division (yay!) but now, a few hours later, I was at #3, and once I made it back to #2 it said I had something like 480 to get to #1. And about an hour later, even though I've been trying, it's now saying 572. I don't know how to get points any faster than I am (I'm just catching spinning gold mushrooms), so this person is catching lots more than I know how to find, or doing something I don't know how to do. Is there any better way to get points?

[buoyant hearth]

How much time is left and what is your score?

[spark beacon]

11h 16m, my score is 4484

[buoyant hearth]

So it's 11 points per golden mushroom with an ad, and just 1 without one. Maybe they are getting lucky and getting every mushroom. I've had my phone out while at my computer for the past few days hitting mushrooms. I've found it easier to use the landscape view and sit on the screen where the golden mushrooms don't move.

I tried a time flux but that seemed like a garbage way to do it in the end game.

I'm at 5198 so far with the same timing remaining as you.

So I guess it's possible they are legit

[spark beacon]

I had seen that too, although I thought the mushrooms with the ads were a little variable, sometimes they seem more or less. But anyway, yeah, they'd have to be seriously lucky to be getting ahead of me by like 100 points in an hour, while I was picking up spinning mushrooms too.

[buoyant hearth]

The cheaters I've encountered so far have had huge leads. Like 10k+

[umbral shuttle]

So you get less sci buying the mushroom instead of watching ads

[buoyant hearth]

Oh. Maybe they are variable. That would explain my confusion on how much they give.

[spark beacon]

yeah, that's why I started by saying I can't say it's cheating. But it's frustrating.

[buoyant hearth]

This is going to be the last event I try to get in the top 3 for. It just takes up too much time to camp for golden whatever on my phone

[spark beacon]

I'm half just curious what this person is doing to go so much faster than me. Like, is there something I'm missing?

Does the badge rank bonus affect the frequency of spinning gold mushrooms? Is there something I can do to make them appear more frequently?

[crystal kernel]

buying nodes, collecting gold shrooms, running the metabots as much as possible those are the only things you can do at endgame in the events

postgame? whatever you want to call it

[spark beacon]

the metabots add to your score as well?

[buoyant hearth]

They help you accumulate currency to buy more nodes.

[gleaming crescent]

they generate currency, although it's not very effective if you have enough of them to be near the top; just like time flux isn't that helpful.

[spark beacon]

But at this point, all the nodes are expensive enough that buying more makes effectively no difference. There's no way I could buy hundreds of them

[crystal kernel]

they could be doing timefluxes but you can only do a few of of those before you have to wait for them to recharge

[buoyant hearth]

Oh there is a recharge on the use of Time Flux? I didn't know that. I think I've only used it twice. It's such a waste of cubes

[spark beacon]

I don't really use cubes for anything. Certainly not time flux, I don't see the point in that. But I can't imagine using that to pull ahead as fast as this person is doing to me.

[buoyant hearth]

So assuming they aren't cheating, then golden mushrooms is the only real way to gain in the late leaderboard race.

I've watched so many Captain Crunch ads...

[spark beacon]

And there's no way to affect the golden mushroom frequency? They seem to appear 1/minute in the 3d spinnable view, are they the same frequency in the node graph view (I don't know the right names for these things)

[buoyant hearth]

I like the name "node graph view"

The chance of missing it on the node graph view is just too high. In landscape view on my phone and zoomed out a bit I never miss them on the 3D view

Except for the events where there is a ton of stuff in the 3D view. Like the bee one

[spark beacon]

I have reached the same conclusion.

[crystal kernel]

I assume there's a recharge? it would be weird if it was just 4 times per event, I haven't touched it in years

[buoyant hearth]

There is a cooldown time for recharging the metabits via cubes/ads so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a cooldown for the time flux as well

[thin moon]

Uhhhhhhh, I seem to have found something super strong

[rose turret]

Lazy people or You're fast

[inland chasm]

Yeah definitely possible, towards the end of the event there wouldnt be a lot of new players joining in so you might be put in a bit of an older division

[inland chasm]

Whats your division no ? I'll check and let you know

[proven valley]

Ok. Understand, thanks for the information

[spark beacon]

@inland chasm it's 117

[native hull]

Nah 1800 is first 💀

[inland chasm]

is this your player ID 57F2E3E63EA76166 and did you rank 2nd ?

If thats the case then you seemed to have a low generator count when compared with everyone both above and below you, I suppose you powered through due to your high badge boost but you had 1785 generators while everyone around you had 2300~

[carmine quiver]

Fresh things happening in division #10
I'm quite actively playing (having x4 boost from adverts and +120% boost from previous challenge completion)

[spark beacon]

Thanks, I didn't realize that. It seemed to me I couldn't buy significantly more because they got too expensive. But it's not like I really know what I'm doing or anything 🙂

[wild dagger]

Still quite possible - This is my division, I do not suspect anyone of cheating here so far

[carmine quiver]

Not accusing anyone personally 🙂 just checking out.
Devs/admins are doing great job with banning the cheaters, so kudos to them!

[wild dagger]

agree

[haughty yoke]

how many generators do you have approximately? I'm done with the event but still in top 250

I have like 870 with badge rank bonus of 120% and getting more takes so long now

[wild dagger]

Generators is only making a fraction of what amount of points you can achieve - I have explained my stratigy here #💬-cells-chat message

That being said, I still think its a boring way to play the game, but the way leaderbords work atm, its efficiant. I do hope they change something in this regard later though.

[haughty yoke]

it's pay to win, fantastic

thanks for clearing things up

[wild dagger]

Number one atm in my league got 7267 points though, I think thats hard to get this early without some shady tech 🙄

Even I cannot keep up with that lol

[umbral shuttle]

Another question for dev Aditya.

Is harder to achieve sci-score in #666?

If yes, whats the multipler of that division?

[wild dagger]

the 666 division is considered the "cheater division" - If you are suspected of cheating, you will be moved there till further invistigated afaik. If you are put there, and think you are wrongfully accused of cheating, Aditya can help you out

[lunar fossil]

hey aditya i think i was wrongfully accused of cheating

[umbral shuttle]

Aditya says me in the next update.

[umbral shuttle]

But my question is: its harder to achieve sci point in #666 division?

If yes, whats the multipler

Example: Normal divisions have x1 multipler

#666 division: ??? (can be x0.67, x0.5, really idk)

[umbral shuttle]

We all

[wild dagger]

No its not harder, its the same - But the amount needed to get some rank is much more, as there is some actual cheaters in there.

[umbral shuttle]

So the only way to win is cheating. Disgusting

And the #666 purpose is to give cheaters some reward for being 1st place because cheating?

Bad idea

[wild dagger]

In the 666 division the best cheater wins - but getting the rewards as a cheater is sorta pointless, as they can manipulate the game as they want. So I think the 666 division is just there to remove all the people they suspect of cheating away from regular players, to sorta do some damage control, and deal with it in there own pase. Again, I dont know anything about the exact purpose of the division, but its my best guess.

[umbral shuttle]

That way of functioning affects us quite a bit. We see how we are outwitted by a cheater in a division foreign to us, and to make matters worse they reward him. It is a mockery towards us who were marked by mistake

[umbral shuttle]

Yeah

Because of this and many other screenshots i think its harder to obtain sci-points

[dusty jasper]

I agree with @umbral shuttle
No matter how much I'm active and try my best... I can't even reach the top 500... And I'm marked as a cheater! Lol... Well idk why but I'm losing the interest just bc of leaderboards... To be on top even If you start pushing the time even starts... You'll still be thrown to lower ranks

This recent update sucks... If you start late you'll fall back and never be able to reach top..
Earlier you were grouped with the players who started with you and you had to compete with them

[acoustic ocean]

You still are grouped with people who started at similar time

You can also send your playfab to Aditya and he'll be able to take a look why you're in the division 666

[lunar fossil]

Im probably in there because i got flagged as cheating for this

But trust me on this

That was all in 2022, i don’t cheat anymore

[umbral shuttle]

I did in 2018

[umbral shuttle]

Yeah

Its my point

We're being mocked by a cheater.

We aren't cheaters.

That's unfair

[umbral shuttle]

Dw the update is near

[umbral shuttle]

I'll do an idle-game

Who want to be beta tester?

I will try it on different programmer languages

[umbral shuttle]

I present Ayra, a music game. I think it isn't an idle game but stills good

[lime totem]

Did you hit a lot of quantum charges floating by? Particularly the boosted quantum charges (darwinium/ad boost ones?) those are worth a few points themselves.

[proven valley]

https://gib.jetzt/u/YLMRcF.png

[umbral shuttle]

seizable

[umbral shuttle]

Congratulations #666, you almost ruined my favorite event

[inland chasm]

Send me your playfab ID, I'll take a look on why you were flagged

[lunar fossil]

i’ve decided to just not care about the leaderboard

i get 5 logits anyways

(Participant)

[umbral shuttle]

When will be the update?

This is the actual progress in my game (i included assets)

[inland chasm]

There'll be an update this week, Ideally we'd be releasing it tomorrow but the rollout would take until the end of the week to reach Android users

Update: Theres a delay and the update would go out next week

[abstract gorge]

I don't say he/she is cheating but can you check for me

🤣 well sorry to take your time @inland chasm now I understand how can they do it. With 30$ you can always get a high rank on event. Ads skip ( 15$ ) + redfingers ( 15$ ) + auto clicker is perfect combo for this game.

[lunar fossil]

When will it come for ios

[sage pulsar]

It's taking me so long to generate enough points to buy a single note in this event. Admittedly I haven't played as much as previous events but this seems real slow to me. Only way to progress is pay2win at this rate

a 1 hour time lapse gets me 1 note lol

OK I'm convinved @inland chasm on league #7 there are definitely bots. Was slowly closing ground on 3rd place (over 900 behind) and suddenly they jumped and now I'm over 1699 behind 3rd.

[inland chasm]

I went through your division and looks like the person ahead of you has tapped a lot of boosts just like you suspected

[inland chasm]

Checked your division, looks like you're 5th now and its same as the above, the players ahead of you all have a higher amounts of boosts tapped. They're all pretty clean

[hidden steppe]

You should be able to see other players and their names on the leaderboard so you can see who’s ahead and their progress, like it used to be.

[abstract gorge]

I don't say they are cheating, I mean they bought ads skip and redfingers ( phone cloud ) so they can online and tap all day. That's mean they always get higher rank. You guys should change something like if you online 120 mins you have to quit and restart the game. That will fair for people.

[winged phoenix]

huh??? if im online for 120 minutes that means im determined to get a high rank. doesnt make it unfair if someone works very hard and long for a rank

[abstract gorge]

Nah you don't understand what I mean, they use redfingers and auto click so they don't have to log in and do anything. They only need to log in 1 time and wait to get reward at event end

[winged phoenix]

hm. auto click is allowed but im not sure abt redfingers

[abstract gorge]

Well, I am pretty sure they use redfingers. How can someone get 16k event point after 4 day event.

[winged phoenix]

maybe every 2 hours a prompt shows up saying "Are you still here?" and they have around 10 minutes which can be increased--if the prompt is not answered it kicks them out of the event page

[winged phoenix]

cheat

or it can be the same thing with a captcha of some kind

[abstract gorge]

You can see aditya say above that they are clean 🤣🤣 that's mean redfingers + auto click + ads skip = clean

[winged phoenix]

ohh man

[abstract gorge]

That's how it work, I was trying to catch up but no chance

[winged phoenix]

2nd is pretty good too

[abstract gorge]

Normally you can get 100~120 points in 1 hour online

[inland chasm]

We're working on something new which'll hopefully mitigate this issue, its being beta tested now as well. We're open to feedback on how you would like this issue to be solved though 🙌

Although this is my first time hearing about redfingers, I dont think anyone else would be using such a platform though. I've spoken to a lot of the top scorers and almost all of them just have their computers on with autoclickers

[abstract gorge]

😁😁 many gamer using it, it will help you no need to open computer, laptop or your phone. Like I said above, I think the resolution is the gamer have to restart game after 120 mins.

[abstract gorge]

You don't have to change your account, all you need is log in your web or app account. So you can play game anywhere you like.

[lunar fossil]

What is redfingsrs

[umbral shuttle]

Whats red fingers?

[abstract gorge]

@lunar fossil @umbral shuttle redfingers is cloud phone, it will be online game for you. All you need is set auto and join event.

Even you are not log in 5 days, it still automatic claim event points after you set it on.

[umbral shuttle]

Sounds like a script

[crystal kernel]

it's cloud emulation combined with what appears to be scripts yea

[umbral shuttle]

Okay

[tardy coral]

my opp seem to be getting so lucky with the golden mutation as stuff, his progression seems faster and that is the only explanation
Yesterday i was at the top and i grinding nonstop, but still he got such a high score in just 12 hours

Ive calculated that u can only get bw 100-120 in an hour

[solid drift]

Why am I in 666 division? I have never cheated, unless you consider buying darwinium (read paying you guys real money) a cheating

[inland chasm]

DM me your player ID, i'll take a look

[winged phoenix]

dead to cheaters

[umbral shuttle]

I thought for using many time flux, but was bcs timeskips

[umbral shuttle]

You need to consider redfingers as a cheat.

[umbral shuttle]

Its cheating

[crystal kernel]

it may not be detectable, since it doesn't do anything different from an autoclicker

[umbral shuttle]

I need to add RedFingers to the black list

[umbral shuttle]

It can be detectable by the IP Address

Factors:

• 1/40ms Clicks = Autoclicker (Legal)
{
• Always Online = Open device
• IP Address change (unknown IP) = VPN
Data factor (variable that can be checked)
} = Cloud Emulator

AutoClicker (Legal) + Cloud Emulator (Need explanation) = RedFingers (Illegal)

Thats a sample of RedFingers detection. (By Sentry Anti-Cheat)

A new anti-cheat project im codifying

[wild dagger]

Then your calculations are wrong, check out what I wrote here #💬-cells-chat message

[umbral shuttle]

No, you aren't emulating

[wild dagger]

?

[umbral shuttle]

read it careful

[umbral shuttle]

I did a mistake again lmao

I didnt noticed youre answering to another user lmao

[wild dagger]

Thats what the reply butten are for that you so beatefully use 😂 No worries mate

[umbral shuttle]

Okay, i will update the RedFingers detecter, i found a critical error.

[wild dagger]

Dont drag me in to that conversation, I got nothing to do with it 😄

[proven valley]

https://gib.jetzt/u/NhPebH.png

[tardy coral]

I see

[lunar fossil]

too hard

[strange flame]

I have it boosted and 283% badge boost. I'm usually within top 100 by now.

And I'm probably late to the game since I see you're beta testing a new system, but I wanted to agree with the sentiment that needing to login every hour or so to tap the golden things, for 4-6 days straight, is not very fun, nor how I want to play this game.

I'd recommend a "completion time bonus", where completing the event within the event gets x science, completing it halfway through (2 days for a 4 day event) gets you 2x, etc. And making that amount enough to matter, so by comparison, waiting to click golden things adds minimal score.

Maybe up the value of generators as well, to further reduce the impact of the golden things

[lunar fossil]

i think bro is onto something

[thin moon]

Yeh, 666 is crazy like that

[nocturne ibex]

Division #191 has probably cheaters, was battling for third, suddenly at 10th and far behind

[strange flame]

I'm in 184 and haven't been able to breach top 250 yet. I thought being in a higher number division, people would be slower/have less boosts but I guess the opposite is true?

Maybe everyone just goes ham for the webb telescope, lol

[crystal kernel]

it's been run a ton so people have high multipliers, but really the secret is to keep running nanobots and buying generators after you've finished, I've generally not had any problem getting into the top 100 after peopl ehave gotten their third badge and dipped

[lunar fossil]

also why is this forum so popular

[acoustic ocean]

It kind of became a spot where people are reporting cheaters

[lunar fossil]

Lol

[coarse rock]

if 666 is for cheaters, that explain why i never reach the top 500, with almost 300% from badges.
But now i'm curious to know why i am in division 666, because 2 years in the game and suddenly i'm a cheater?

[lunar fossil]

you prob did some cheating 2 years ago

[crystal kernel]

you can dm aditya your player id (at the bottom of your settings menu) they've been checking why players are in 666

[neon salmon]

Which event was this for btw?

[umbral shuttle]

I been taken out of the #666 division c:

[floral trout]

in 2 hours i got kicked to 700th place

[inland chasm]

Yes, DM me your playerID and I'll take a look

[inland chasm]

Ooo thats pretty interesting feedback, I'll pass it along. Although I wonder if you'll feel the same way once you get your hands on the system we're testing - you'll get that when the middle ages release rolls out to everyone soon

[inland chasm]

Yes, we've been running lots of reverse checks, so if you got accidentally banned you should be back to being in the normal divisons. If anyone feels they've been unfairly put into division 666, You can DM me and I'll check your profile out

[crystal kernel]

you mean challenge levels? that's live now apparently

if it's not supposed to be this should be an easy win for me xD

[inland chasm]

Aah yeah I just checked, its live to 100% of the players

[strange flame]

The challenge system is a definite improvement, and feels like a time completion bonus! Looking forward to playing it in full for the next event (it just appeared for me an hour or 2 ago so I won't make it very far this time)

[manic forge]

I am part of Division 666 in the leaderboard and am very upset about this.It's been 6-7 events since this leaderboard update and I've completed all of them but I've never been able to get past the participant rank and now I've completed rank 2 in challenger mode too.And I have put its screenshot 320D3142405B2F12
My player id
Please remove me from this division i am master 10 players and plays this game a lot

@inland chasm please look itno this

[umbral shuttle]

Can i be a helper?

[umbral shuttle]

The challenge is rally hrd ngl

[inland chasm]

I've removed you from division 666, reload the game and you should be good

[manic forge]

thanks for the help!

[manic forge]

Now I regret that why didn't I complain earlier that I missed so many rewards from at least 6-7 events because of Division 666 I would have been on top, on the other divisions.

[gleaming zinc]

Hello,
I have few questions for the developers, coz there are so many things I am not able to understand.
First I played the game normally, i used to come in top 50.
Then I purchased infinity pass thinking the top 50 players may have that advantage, and it my last event, which i finished in few hours. I was in top 10.
By the time the event ended, i was in top 500.
How is this even possible?
I completed the event within hours.

Secondly, in the current event.
in 20 mins I have completed 4/12 milestones. I am using all boosts, everything.
But still I am at the rank of 377. How is this also possible?

[thin moon]

Division?

[thin moon]

Leader board update lag

[gleaming zinc]

Division 16.
But how can lag explain me dropping from 10 to 500?

[thin moon]

It's happened to me in 25-87 div666

1st to 778

[gleaming zinc]

How is this possible?

1 to 778 is even more ridiclu

[thin moon]

It's just that the Leader boards don't update enough

[gleaming zinc]

ridiculous then mine.

[thin moon]

In div666 no, anyways 666 ain't your biz

[thin moon]

People just keep on intense grinding getting every gold fly thing, the nanobots every second, blah blah

Infinity pass ain't gonna help

[gleaming zinc]

Well.. I like the old leaderboard then.

You finish, you are done.

[thin moon]

HOHO A BOLD ONE ARENT YA

[thin moon]

NOPE

That ain't how div666 worked in 25-87 patch

[thin moon]

Old boards you could be number 1 by a landslide and the very next day be in the 900s

If you're wondering, div666 is division for cheaters

I got 12k no div666

I highly suggest you go check my bug report on exploration time manipulation

[inland chasm]

Whats your player ID and division number ?

[lunar fossil]

Ayy im not in 666 anymore

Thanks aditya

[umbral shuttle]

Can i be a helper?

[manic forge]

Is she cheating? Because despite so much hard work, I am still not in top 25. I am playing challenge level 4This means the players who are ranked above me are playing challenge level 6 and above.

As far as I know, the Human Body event has appeared only 4 times, out of which I have completed 3 times. Is that making this much difference

[lament brook]

how are they cheating in a game like this? i don't understand

edit game files?

[formal river]

time skips for example

[inland chasm]

We've patched them on events, that wouldnt be an issue

the next time, please do @ me so that I can take a look at the event leaderboard immediately

[lament brook]

like changing computer clock?

[glossy mulch]

yeah most people who cheat do it by changing their time on their device

[lament brook]

ugh, that's pretty common method

hate that cheat

though what's the stance on autoclickers? some games dev/players are ok with them, some not

[gleaming crescent]

autoclickers are allowed, although the devs recently made a change in how they interact with the game. time changes will flag you for cheating, I understand.

[manic forge]

@inland chasm
Isn't it fishy 10000+ science still not on top 50?320D3142405B2F12

[abstract gorge]

You may not believe but I am in division 190 and have 20k+ science. And I am not in top 25 🤣🤣🤣

[manic forge]

Wtf division 190 is new 666

[abstract gorge]

They are pretty good. I don't think they are cheating here

The reason I think they have buff from events they play before

So they are faster than newbie like me ( I just played on May )

[thin moon]

This was div 666

[thin moon]

Not this