Prices too high

[lavish river]

This game is free so you need to charge money for some things, but it's steep to get any sort of customisation if you don't want to shell out.

[sonic wind]

Prices are probably the most reasonable out of most free to play games that feature absolutely zero pay to win or other monetisation outside of some convenience features. What's your economic context? Are you using a currency that isn't properly localised / are you a student / or something else that makes it expensive for you?

[lavish river]

It's just steep in general, I feel

My economic context is irrelevant if the game has a small player base and I don't play often. I'm not going to throw money at a game I barely pick up.

But furthermore, I don't feel like the way you earn coins is overly fair. If you're playing without spending money at all, the only way (from what I can see) you get coins is by levelling up. Which is okay, in theory, as you go through the challenges, but those challenges don't reward you with coins all the time.

So why can't we earn a small amount of coins for every game, which would incentivise people to play more?

5 per game, or something like that

Okay, you may take a hit where people don't buy coins outright, but they'll be playing the game.

[sonic wind]

Sounds more to me like the game isn't important enough to you to spend money on instead, which is totally fair

[sonic wind]

The game costs a lot of money to make, maintain and provide infrastructure for. Pux, outside of premium/patreon is literally the only way the game makes money through players directly. Most games don't even provide any way to get the cosmetics for free if that's their only way to monetise.

[sonic wind]

We already do something similar with the free tier for the pass. The challenges give experience and there's several free cosmetics in there. You also get 300 pux for levelling up so you can get everything in the game outside of Premium 100% for free by playing. Sure it'll take a while but still infinitely better than most games.

[lavish river]

I've never made a game, or published it, so this isn't me bashing you or anything, I know it must cost more than I realise to keep this game going

So this isn't personal at you or anything

[sonic wind]

I know, I'm just providing context on 1) Why we can't give everything away for free and 2) How cheap and free the game is compared to most other games without compromising on competitive integrity

[lavish river]

Put it this way, I got 75 hours in this game, which to me, is a long time to play any game, and all I have in terms of cosmetics isn't much

But the other side of it, as you say, you can't give stuff away

I'd just like to earn it a bit more, that's all

[sonic wind]

Yeah if you haven't spent any money, that's the point 😛 Cosmetics don't impact gameplay, it's vanity for the people that can and want to support the game financially; and those that don't or can't, can still play the exact same game as the other people for no money whatsoever

[lavish river]

Totally get that, but I'd also like to see something for all the hours put in asides the free stuff

Because the coins you get levelling up aren't enough to really get much

[sonic wind]

Uh yeah the thing you get for all those hours is the game completely free

[lavish river]

Yeah, which is good 🙂 I'm not saying that's bad, and I really do get where you're coming from

[solid sequoia]

get your money up the game is literally free

you can get good value from 5 dollars, if you don’t have that get a job

[dreamy raft]

fr

[rapid nebula]

u cna get a whole outfit in like maybe 20 hours of playtime

[deft parcel]

ok brokieee

[lavish river]

This is you checking out my Hot Wheels

[deft parcel]

[lavish river]

Can you though?

[lavish river]

Stumped by my Hot Wheels

[solid sequoia]

yes

[lavish river]

If you think so, that's cool

[solid sequoia]

are you broke

[lavish river]

No

[solid sequoia]

so then buy pux

if you really want cosmetics so bad

[lavish river]

Right, before you get on me, are you willing to actually hear what I'm going to say

or are you just going to say insults and hope for the best?

[solid sequoia]

i just think the developers are generous enough to make this game free to play, and they do not owe you making their only source of income easier to get for free

[lavish river]

That wasn't my argument at all

[solid sequoia]

yes

[lavish river]

As I've said multiple times above, I understand that making a game, publishing it, then running it and keeping it going costs money. As I also said, I have no idea how much that would be, probably way more than I'd guess.

But I also think that time invested in the game should be rewarded more, as you've spent time playing it.

And the current level is, in my opinion, not high enough on return for time invested.

[deft parcel]

bruh

u aint playing to get paid

[lavish river]

I never said that either.

Can you reply with something that's actually relevant or directly in reply to what I said instead of coming up with rebuttals for points I never even made?

[deft parcel]

"And the current level is, in my opinion, not high enough on return for time invested." - U invest time to get good and rankup, not to get cosmetics. If that's ur motivation, that is indeed crazy

[solid sequoia]

in most games you can’t get currency from just playing games, i would feel grateful we get any at all

[lavish river]

That's not what I said either!

[deft parcel]

bro u making all this just cuz u want some cosmetics, just buy pux

[lavish river]

'if that's your motivation' - good job I never said that, isn't it?

[lavish river]

I could name like, five off the top of my head that allow for ingame currency gains with every game played.

And what I'm saying is that the per-game-gain is better than the per-x-amount-of-level-gain

I even mentioned that earlier by suggesting 5 pux or so per game

[deft parcel]

this game is the same, u get pux for playing

[solid sequoia]

but you get levels from playing games so i don’t see the difference

300 /5 is 60 and i assure it takes you less than 60 games to level up

[deft parcel]

and i am not too sure, but i think u can even buy the season pass without even paying a cent

[lavish river]

Right, but it'd be nice to earn those sooner, that's my entire point

Like, that is the whole thing

[rapid nebula]

then nobody would buy pux

[deft parcel]

yea...

[lavish river]

But people are earning pux anyway

So, what is it?

[rapid nebula]

people still buy pux

[lavish river]

Right

[solid sequoia]

yeah instead of making 10 dollars an hour i can make 100 anyway i’m earning money either way

[deft parcel]

game needs revenue bro, if u get pux per game ppl are not gonna pay for it..

[lavish river]

And if you earn 5, and you see something that costs 5000, you'll say, 'fuck, that's 1000 games, I could just get that cosmetic now'

[lavish river]

Gonna be honest, you're adding absolutely zero to this discussion by just saying things I haven't argued against.

I understand the game needs revenue, I have said that multiple times.

[deft parcel]

same logic applies to reaching a certain lvl

[lavish river]

But we're not talking about levels, are we?

[deft parcel]

if u understand that, discussion finished

[solid sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-23548728

[lavish river]

Me talking to Moiz

[rapid nebula]

ong

lmfao\

[lavish river]

Coming up with comebacks to things I've never said

[deft parcel]

u're talking about games, now change games for levels

[solid sequoia]

isn’t it some funny coincidence how everyone including the head game developer is against your idea but you are still somehow convinced it’s smart

[deft parcel]

mb bro, im on the phone

[lavish river]

So one minute ago, it was, 'no other games do it like that', then I told you they do, now it's, 'well me and my 3 friends agree, so that's the majority'

[deft parcel]

he is secretly a game market genius

[solid sequoia]

what

[rapid nebula]

hjow about we remove the whole item shop thing and every level u get a loot box with items in it and after every game uget 10 pux and if u save enoug pux like idk 500 u get case @erv

[lavish river]

Not being nasty about it, but if you can actually see established long running developers doing the exact thing I've mentioned, it's not exactly a crazy idea

[lavish river]

You said to me that the majority of games don't do ingame currency gain in the way I outlined

[deft parcel]

ok bro, so tell me, what's the most popular game on steam? prolly Counter strike right?

[rapid nebula]

dota 2

[lavish river]

Gonna be honest, mate, I'm just straight up not replying to you because you're not adding anything

[solid sequoia]

someone lost an arguement

[lavish river]

And I think you're here to just troll

[deft parcel]

u dont wanna hear the honest

[rapid nebula]

cs2 dont got in game currency

[deft parcel]

tell me what u get for free in csgo for just playing the game???

[rapid nebula]

CASES

[deft parcel]

0.003$ cases exactly

[rapid nebula]

1OHMGYFGODD

[rapid nebula]

50 CENT cases now

[deft parcel]

now in slapshot u think u get more or less than that?

[rapid nebula]

and 0.3 cent skins

[deft parcel]

uuh, time to sell

[rapid nebula]

after each level up

[solid sequoia]

humble just sounds very ungrateful and spoiled to me

[deft parcel]

[lavish river]

That's crazy. Overwatch 2 does, XDefiant does, R6 Siege does, Apex does, Fifa, too.

[rapid nebula]

only the new cases are 50 cents

[solid sequoia]

wahhh give me more pux even though your game is free and you don’t owe me shit

[lavish river]

That's 5, off the top of my head.

[rapid nebula]

dude just play the game

[lavish river]

Remember when I said at the start of this, are you going to discuss or are you going to do insults?

[deft parcel]

im literally giving u an example of one of the most played games on steam bro..

[rapid nebula]

???

[lavish river]

See what I mean about trolling?

[rapid nebula]

i swear these were liek 10 cents 2 years ago

[solid sequoia]

i amjust pointing out the obvious

[deft parcel]

csgo gives u cases that r cheap af + u gotta buy the keys to open...

[lavish river]

'Look at this example I came up with, oooooohhh you can't refute my example even though it has nothing to do with what we're talking about ohhhh you lose because I said so!'

[deft parcel]

this game straight up gives u the in game currency to buy the fucking cosmetics, and now u complain...

[lavish river]

I'm not talking about cases, I'm talking about in game currency, they are two different things entirely

[deft parcel]

bro what?? how is csgo cases+keys not relevant to the market and the in game currency? bruh

[lavish river]

By your same logic, Moiz, you lose because you haven't talked about the games I mentioned having in game currency gains

[deft parcel]

ok what game?

[rapid nebula]

you just lost the game

[deft parcel]

fifa? heavily pay 2 win

[lavish river]

Crazy how you can earn cosmetics by playing though

[rapid nebula]

yeah

[deft parcel]

🤦‍♂️

[lavish river]

I'm not talking about pay to wins or anything like that

See what I mean about just being obtuse for the thrill of it?

[solid sequoia]

like the triangle

[deft parcel]

fifa is a bad example mate. You can indeed earn points by playing, but players that pay get an advantage...

[lavish river]

Binary yes or no question time: In Fifa, can you play the game and get incrimental in game currency to get cosmetics?

Yes or no, binary yes or no, not, 'well actually...'

[rapid nebula]

i dont see whats bad with getting currency to choose what to buy

[lavish river]

Yes or no

[deft parcel]

yes, same with slapshot rebound...

[lavish river]

Incorrect

In Slapshot, you don't get it per game

That is what this entire discussion is about

[deft parcel]

cuz slapshot matches are only 5mins

[lavish river]

Irrelevant

[deft parcel]

getting pux every 5mins is crazy

[solid sequoia]

humble there is literally no difference between per game and per level

[lavish river]

Right, so now you've agreed on the fact that Fifa does do incrimental in game currency gains, you can now agree that the system I've mentioned is something that games use

[solid sequoia]

and 5 pux per game is much worse than 300 per level

[deft parcel]

defo relevant, u can't expect someone to get 50k pux in one day of playing for free

[lavish river]

Good, we're getting somewhere

[deft parcel]

yes

[lavish river]

That's not a figure I've quoted anywhere, stay on track

[deft parcel]

its hypotetical, nerd

[boreal dragon]

Differently from some of the games you've mentioned here, Slapshot has no way to monetize other than purely cosmetic skins

[lavish river]

Which is something I've acknowledged

Please scroll from the start if you want to see what I've said on that

[boreal dragon]

It's unfair to compare it to something like FIFA, which not only is not free, but also has many P2W possibilities

[lavish river]

We're not talking about P2W though

We're strictly talking about cosmetics

[boreal dragon]

It's relevant though. FIFA can make money through P2W and thus income from cosmetics is secondary

[lavish river]

Or, you guys can talk about it, but I'm not discussing it because my points have nothing to do with P2W. You can talk about that in your own time.

[boreal dragon]

Slapshot does not have that luxury

[lavish river]

Daniel, I have mentioned that

I went over it at the start of this whole thing

[deft parcel]

u want to worsen the games economy, and u're comparing it to games that have multiple sponsors, investments and support..

[solid sequoia]

it’s a small game they can’t just give more pux to every single player because you think they should

[lavish river]

Oh my god, so dramatic

You can adjust the rate of earning x time invested divided by per game

And as it stands, that little equation is, in my opinion, skewed

[boreal dragon]

That's fair, it's your opinion after all

[lavish river]

Thank you, Daniel

[boreal dragon]

It does not mean that changing it would be beneficial to the game at all, though

[lavish river]

No, but it also doesn't mean that the current system is optimal too

[rapid nebula]

title of thread misleading

ift that ur arguemnt

[lavish river]

and I think that clawing at what you have now and defending it as if it's gospel and infallible is wrong

[boreal dragon]

That's what people intended to say, probably, but it might have gotten a bit tangled here and there (I've lost myself a couple times just by reading lol)

[solid sequoia]

yeah the title of the thread is completely different than your arguement

[lavish river]

'Me and my friends think that it's fine and xyz' is fine and all, but things can change

Yeah, not like I've been repeating myself to you guys for like 15 minutes now

[boreal dragon]

That's fair. Though I don't think now would be the moment to rethink it, honestly

[lavish river]

I'm not saying anyone has to do anything, it's all good

It's just feedback

[boreal dragon]

But like, creating a new topic with a more appropriate name, and putting the gist of your argument there, would be a pretty good option. It's a suggestion channel after all

The title did mislead a lot of the conversation before, that's for sure

[lavish river]

I would, but I think I'd get trolls in it again so 🤷‍♂️

(I also do think the prices are too high versus the current equation I mentioned, but I don't want to go in circles)

[deft parcel]

@lavish river bro i dont get your main point tbh. The tittle of this thread is "Prices too high" + u're defending the idea of getting pux per game. You gotta understand that in a game like this this is not ideal, as it removes the need/incentive to pay for pux, and it will just be bad long term, possibily causing financial problems

[lavish river]

I said I don't want to go in circles

[deft parcel]

this was my last reply to this

[lavish river]

Thank the lord

[deft parcel]

u are confusing and not going straight to the point

[lavish river]

Okay buddy

👍

[deft parcel]

just an advice - get a job, then u won't complain about this anymore

[lavish river]

Daniel joins the convo and gets it within 5 minutes

Takes you 15 minutes, but it's definitely my fault

Actually, Daniel got it in less, really

[lavish river]

Got one, actually

[boreal dragon]

not to brag but I've been reading bits of this thread here and there for the last 30 minutes lmao

But honestly it just felt like a big misunderstanding on both sides

[solid sequoia]

how old are you

[deft parcel]

😂
i was on the phone after I sent the 1st message + i didnt read the beginning

[deft parcel]

awesomen buddy! now starting spending

[lavish river]

This lasted long, eh

[deft parcel]

ah mb im leaving

[lavish river]

Theeere we go

[solid sequoia]

@lavish river

[lavish river]

Are you trying to hit on me?

[solid sequoia]

maybe

[lavish river]

I'm okay, thanks for offering though

[lavish river]

It doesn't have to get that deep over a silly hockey game, you know?

[solid sequoia]

keep grinding

[lavish river]

There you go

[solid sequoia]

are you good at slaoshot

[lavish river]

Not a pro

[solid sequoia]

how good

[lavish river]

How do you even measure that?

[solid sequoia]

smh

[lavish river]

I said, not a pro

Work backwards from that

[solid sequoia]

that is quite broad

if i were you i would get way better at slapshot and then maybe make a suggestion later

[lavish river]

Hahahah

Oh, behave yourself

[lavish river]

Go post that in every feedback thread, mate

[dreamy raft]

real

[sick flicker]

erv make the game cost 60$ and then u get 3000 coins per level

[restive tusk]

just invest in premium brah

its called the entrepreneurial mindset

[warm cloud]

just play spl

[wise niche]

Maybe an alternative would be cosmetics for every amount of levels (exclusive hair style, jersey, etc) just to show off your playtime

[crude kite]

Season pass and season rewards exist

[wise niche]

It’s different though

[dense rock]

levels with your xp + the dailies so really it isnt too dissimilar

[heavy dove]

Cook

[lavish river]

Aren't you the kid who used to stalk me on here?

Oh shit, you are. Wow, still going on that?

[restive tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/dream-devil-dream-evil-dream-devil-dream-snapchat-gif-27606409

[dreamy raft]

Fym stalk 💀

We had one argument that was months ago

[lavish river]

It was weeks ago and for days after, you'd emoji reply to anything I said

Still salty then

Still salty now

[dreamy raft]

callin me salty but ur entire message history is just shitting on people and being mad lmfao

lighten up bro

[lavish river]

Ah, sorry if you got upset, man

But thanks for proving my point about stalking when you're going through my entire message history

[lavish river]

'Fym stalk'
proceeds to go through message history

[dreamy raft]

Doesnt have to get that deep over a silly hockey game yk?

life is short, limited time on this earth. just lighten up man. have some fun

[lavish river]

Quit while you're behind, Connor

[dreamy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/how-you-feel-after-saying-that-awesome-dog-cool-dog-sussy-gif-23764852

[lavish river]

🤷‍♂️

[dreamy raft]

bro thinks hes some anime character 💀

[lavish river]

Do I?

[dreamy raft]

not wasting my time with this shit, just lighten up man. realize life is life

[lavish river]

Okay man

Keep telling me you're not stalking whilst looking through my messages and screenshotting me

I don't think it's really working out for you, but if you keep going, someone might believe you

[solid sequoia]

do you know what stalking is

[rapid nebula]

im stalking you from canada humble crungle

[lavish river]

Yeah 🙂

[lavish river]

That’s cool, I hear it’s a pretty nice country

Either way, for someone who says they aren’t obsessed with me, following me around and reacting to messages and then screenshotting me is a weird way to disprove it 😂

[silk wind]

They made a game, they spent a lot of money developing it and hosting the servers, they wont give u pux each game , no one would ever do that, u can easily get everything u want to without spending a single dollar. It might take u a while but in the end of the day u will get everything for free. I had another account where i had like about 5 hours played, i got already 3k pux. I dont acctualy know what else u want man. Its just my opinion and i think the leveling system where u get pux is great.

[lavish river]

I replied to pretty much all of your points. I get where you’re coming from and thanks for not devolving into insults but yeah, I replied to most of this. I get it would be a slog to go through all those messages but I’m totally seeing where your perspective is

[silk wind]

yeah i didnt wanted to read all that haha

[lavish river]

There’s a bit above where me and Daniel talked about time invested over games played divided by gain or something along those lines

And what we both agreed on is that nothing will change, and that’s fine, but there’s no such thing as perfect in video games

So that’s why the whole feedback channel exists

[silk wind]

Yeah i totally agree with the fact that video games never will be perfect in every aspect

but u have to understand the people who made this game

[lavish river]

I do, don’t worry, I get that.

[silk wind]

i think u would also want to make some money with it right ?

[lavish river]

Of course, and I didn’t say otherwise

[silk wind]

But acctualy 5 pux per game wouldnt even make a big chance

i have played around 2,5k games in 300h

and it would only be 12,5k

i have made around 40k +- from only levels

but yeah, thats just how i see the pux situation

[misty drift]

if your mindset was the same for every other person whos ever played a small game, small games wouldn't exist

"Oh gee I'm fine with spending 60 euros on the same copy-pasted "triple-A" game every year (FIFA) but god forbid I spend 4x as less on lifetime premium or a battle pass for a small game" if you think its not worth it BECAUSE you don't play often then you shouldn't be complaining about the prices

rarely anyone will spend money on food if they don't feel like they're gonna finish it, in the same way you wouldn't spend money on a game if you don't play it much

[solid sequoia]

i genuinely think humble is just rage bait

[dreamy raft]

wouldnt be surprised if its another ban evader

[lavish river]

That’s fair

[lavish river]

Never paid for FIFA, I used game pass

[lavish river]

Yeah, that’s why I haven’t put money into slapshot but that may change if I feel like there’s more rewards

All I suggested was an adjustment to reward levels but there’s people who think I just called the game x y and z and I’m an awful person etc. it’s so dramatic.

[lavish river]

Like this guy who won’t stop checking on what I’m up to

[misty drift]

Personally, the rewards are as plentiful as they get. I don't think its an economic problem either, as I live in Eastern Europe and I'm confident I absolutely got my moneys worth. At the end this is your opinion. Nobody can please everyone, and the majority here on this server think that the prices are fair. You not wanting to buy it is your choice, and that's just the end of it

[misty drift]

isn't gamepass like 133/year anyway?

[dreamy raft]

216 for the ultimate which includes EA play

[rapid nebula]

🤑 🤔

[misty drift]

😭

mfw i can pay 216/year but 10/lifetime is wayyy too expensive

[dreamy raft]

lmao

[lavish river]

84

But I also use it for like a month at a time when there’s a release I want to try out, like the Jedi sequel

Currently trying out Hell Let Loose and that’s a really odd game

[lavish river]

I pay 7 a month and get EA Play

[dreamy raft]

U mean the $10 a month one?

What country u in where ur paying 7

[misty drift]

Britain probably

[dreamy raft]

PC gamepass is 8 a month in UK so yea that’s what he has prob

[haughty river]

It’s actually Cønnør

[lavish river]

🤷

[restive tusk]

yep this connor guy stalked my whole family for 3 years straight

he followed my family around the country as we tried to escape him for 3 years

[lavish river]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Connor followed every single one of my messages for three years 😂

[sick flicker]

simmer down

[warm cloud]

brother you brought the argument up, you cant get mad when someone tries to prove their point. saying stop stalking me isn't a way to avoid stuff you said before. youre choosing to send messeges that are visable to him so its not like he really has to dig its really just information you put out there

itd be crazy if he like pulled up your insta or something not just messages that you sent in a server that he can see them and have notifications for