Make it easier for warriors to complete Achiliys Master Cave.

[loud vault]

Either adjust the entire encounter a bit, make the regen fall off eventually, or something. This is completely unfun banging my head against the wall trying to complete this with Logan/Krita. There is no other combo, I could try it with Brutus/Ayako with no charms but that sounds horrible, or completely change my build which you have made severly costly. So now for months I have to sit with a suboptimal mythic gear build to try to complete a stupid cave that every other build can do.

[clear hull]

Some suggested to switch Lance power/rage so warriors can have a protect base power.

[earnest ibex]

Every other build? Except rogues?

[clever wasp]

Brutus/ayako can do it without charm support

It's definitely tough but plenty of us have done it as warriors

If you're too frustrated just wait for your Azhar to be max star and do it as a mage

[loud vault]

I tried the Brutus/Ayako combo but it seemed just as luck dependent. At this point I will likely wait for Azhar

[violet ember]

rogues have 3-turn protect with Lucius so they have more wiggle room with the dizzies

hunters don't have 3 turn protect from what I can recall (unless they use tristan) but they have freya's cleanse so it kinda evens out

[humble yew]

Without charm support? Are you in your senses?alchs definitely gotta run an optimal build even though it is achievable with a side piece rather than full mythics

[clever wasp]

Yeah, we had someone complete it without charm support
Just hammered away
They might have lost their senses
Let me find it

[humble yew]

Obviously pzn rez and weaken chance plus hero charms? No hero charms i find it hard to believe

[clever wasp]

He had 1 unique and 4 mythics. But was running warrior charms with ayako/Brutus
@cosmic snow

[humble yew]

This doesn’t describe a charm free build🤷🏻‍♂️

[clever wasp]

Conversation is over several comments. Here is the base post

[humble yew]

Would have to see to believe… also it involves a sidepiece as well as altered mythics… ask cpr 007 i send him my build

[clever wasp]

My ping woke him up. He can explain better 😂

[humble yew]

I wasnt able to do it prior to having 10 unique charms on mythic

[cosmic snow]

Once I leaned into concept of letting the weapon do the work, the hero powers are about managing weaken/protect.

[clever wasp]

The fight is still completely broken. But it's broken for every class... Not just warrior

[cosmic snow]

Only place I really wanted more hero power was round 3 for the beast mage.

[humble yew]

But warriors can do it easy with one mythic piece 2 weaken 2 pzn rez and maybe an expose chance

[humble yew]

I ran out of turns several times runnig ayako brutus

[cosmic snow]

Were you swinging weapon as much as possible?

[humble yew]

With no hero charms to help along you mustve had the best rng ever for that fight

[cosmic snow]

I would play every protect and weaken to its max before reapplying. If you don’t get dizzy you can mix in more ayako rage.

[clever wasp]

I wouldn't say it's easy
I spent probably 50 torches and as many hours. Plus the 50 or so chisels to convert my mythics and weapons for the fight

[humble yew]

Dmg hammer swung when it made sense, i finished but even with nice charms it was close af

[cosmic snow]

You can manage it to where you always have at least one of weaken/protect even with multiple dizzies in a row.

[humble yew]

Main difference is i run a fury charm, not 5 pentas

Once i made this it took 6 torches

[cosmic snow]

I dug my heels in on not wanting to chisel my mythics just for this fight so I went stubborn hammer.

[humble yew]

I struggled forever, then i made this 1 was waiting on chisels forever to finish it then got the 8-9th floor done with 6 torches

[violet ember]

theoretically doceo/alder could probably also be a no/minimal hero charm clear since it has all the same utilities as brutus/ayako, but that would require a crit axe or sword

[cosmic snow]

Tried it. Didn’t work.

[violet ember]

in any case, master Achylis is a terrible fight no matter what class you main

[cosmic snow]

Ayako heal/weaken/?stun? is better…

When using no hero charms

[humble yew]

With max azhar would be ideal

Doc weaken stuns

Protect on 3 hits

Mage is by far the best route

No hero charms still blows my mind, cuz i needed those heals

[cosmic snow]

But yes, this fight is ridiculous. No matter which way you cut it, having to deal with all the RNG dizzy base attacks in addition to 3 turn rage dizzy is unnecessary.

[cosmic snow]

There were some pucker moments.

[humble yew]

Without the charms it seems difficult to take out back row npcs that can be problematic

[cosmic snow]

The only one I cared about was beast mage in round 3.

[humble yew]

So i salute you in staying alive

I ran 6 armor and 4 health charms

And it got close af a few times

[cosmic snow]

Weaken/protect and attunements are key….and a timely stun here and there doesn’t hurt.

[humble yew]

We’re having a whole ass conversation on dudes “suggestions “ post lol @loud vault you can do it tho bro! You just need the right advice for a warriors build😉🫡

[loud vault]

My whole point though is that this encounter is horribly designed for half the builds and worth addressing. It is too costly to change hero builds, or even a few pieces to give this a try from time to time. I understand it’s supposed to be the hardest fight in this game right now, but devs need to comprehend how inflexible they make charm builds when creating a challenge that discriminates half the player builds

[violet ember]

I would say they should either bump up the turn limit or reduce the chances for single-turn dizzy to proc

[reef gazelle]

The fights against Achillys are too long.
What a headache...

[earnest ibex]

Yes even against Burbol for non-warriors. Just so boring after a while

They messed up health/armour scaling fr