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#Videography & Photography 📷🎥
warm patio
warm patio
kk, will do
grave prairie
The last few shots from this scene tripleS are sweet
red tartan
||stolen from Egoist|| 
night mulch
Fuck it pulled the trigger on it
grave prairie
Nice~ let us know how you get on
night mulch
I told myself if I got approved for a new credit card I would use that to clear the sign of bonus so I applied and actually got one haha. It was a card I was already looking at the getting anyways but I don't like to go out of my way and unnecessarily spend for those bonuses. It just made way too much sense. I want my photos to actually stand out from others. I don't know if I keep the 70 to 200 though like I'm pretty sure I do but I'm thinking about it a lot
I don't know like the thing is is that like car arrival and departure photos are super boring, and even fans don't really like those photos too much either. They are always the posts that get the least amount of traction for me and I don't really like doing them either and that's like one of the few cases where I can think having a 70 to 200 is good among like there's various others, but the rest of those places I'm usually using like 200 mm at so I don't know I put a lot of thought into it
I've been looking at this lens for like over a year now if not like a year and a half and I've never seen one posted this low before so worst case scenario even if I don't end up using it I'm not really taking a loss on it either
grave prairie
credit cards with todays interest rates are dug holes difficult to get out of
night mulch
Oh yeah for sure I absolutely don't condone getting credit cards unless you can pay them off in full. I never buy anything unless I actually have the money in my bank account to pay it off immediately
It helps that I work like 70 to 80 hours a week haha
Pain
night mulch
Work too much to actually go out and spend my money and have a social life pain
Yeah 85 mm is definitely an interesting focal length. I've had 50 before but honestly a lot of the times I felt like it was too short for what I was doing. Like I have a 50 1.8 right now but I literally never use it
I've never really experimented with 135 and Canon just put out one of those
grave prairie
Yeah
night mulch
But I think I would still opt for like 85 also because I'm very likely going to get into like some form of professional photography and having 85 is a really good headshot lens since that's like the industry standard
grave prairie
You’ll be hard pressed to tell the difference between 100mm 2.8 and the 100L or 135L iv used all those lenses
100mm 2.8 is a stellar lens
night mulch
All the wedding photographers I know now they swear by the 28 to 70 and 85 mm and that's literally all they'll use that weddings now outside of yeah 100 mm macro for like ring shots and stuff like that
grave prairie
And only $200 + on the used market
grave prairie
Fuji polaroids are cool !
runic magnet
looks like a more traditional design
grave prairie
oh yeah it is
grave prairie
looks like a more traditional design
i replied to the wrong one sorry
white one is fuji
grey one below is polaroid
fuji my faveourite
west garden
instax is most popular
grave prairie
instax is most popular
yeah this one has been in my window shopping basket for some time
https://instax.com/sq1/en/
@night mulch when does your lens arrive ?
night mulch
Uh I'll keep that a secret for now given it's price 😂😂😂
I'll definitely post in here when I get it though
runic magnet
i replied to the wrong one sorry
oh 
makes sense
runic magnet
@grave prairie what's the material polaroid pictures are printed on
grave prairie
<@364384787156172800> what's the material polaroid pictures are printed on
i don't know what the exact paper is they use on the border some kind of card type paper but inside it's light sensitive photographic paper that holds the silver bromide chemicals which the chemicals get rolled out onto as the film is ejected passing rollers that squeeze the chemicals across the polaroid
& develops the picture
runic magnet
ohh, thanks for the info
so if there is a picture I want to turn into polaroid(not necessarily) or physical would it make any sense
grave prairie
It’s possible
Polaroid have printers that can turn your digital image into a polaroid
runic magnet
okk thanks
runic magnet
these ones?
https://instax.com/printer/
runic magnet
I see
grave prairie
runic magnet
square looks better for me
grave prairie
yeah i prefer the square as well
runic magnet
gonna get this stuff for just one picture
grave prairie
oh wow
i hope you use it again
because the image is from your digital camera it won't have quite the same look as a polaroid camera
runic magnet
well yeah, I like to squeeze every worth of my money spent on a product
grave prairie
the polaroid or fuji polaroid lenses create a certain look
as do any lenses, they all have their own unique 'look'
runic magnet
oh for sure
runic magnet
:)
grave prairie
there are lots of videos online comparing different printers & showing the results
runic magnet
I'll check them out
grave prairie
: )
simple cove
not alot going on in here
night mulch
haha camera go brrr
grave prairie
not alot going on in here
Jinsoul & her Minolta Hi-Matic AF2
Yves & her Canon autoboy panorama
west garden
its not kim lip
grave prairie
I did'nt think it was, why i asked in pics yeah .. was like hmm i don't think that's kim lip but she's the camera girl
runic magnet
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runic magnet
this new trend eh..
grave prairie
Polaroids will always be cool !
runic magnet
hehe
night mulch
Oh my God UPS took so long
They delivered my package like 4 hours after the estimate
BUT IT'S HERE
I hate that they delivered it so late because now I have somewhere to be so I don't even really get to mess with it
I took a picture next to the 400 just to put in the prospective how tiny it was
red tartan
night mulch
The lens is so damn cold because it was sitting on a cold truck for like 10 hours so annoying
People were definitely over exaggerating this lens weight and size it's absolutely tiny
visual sedge
night mulch
Hey I'm trying to be different from the other people taking photos in Korea ok
I keep seeing so many garbage quality photos on Twitter
I'll admit though my editing is not where it should be that's what I really should be working on
I keep seeing so many fan sites shooting with 100400 lenses or even worse 200 and then just cropping the fuck out of their photos
night mulch
I just saw this on Twitter this is such a perfect example
I can just tell this photo is cropped to hell LMAO
I was going to say maybe this is a Sony preview or it could be a Canon preview and they just didn't zoom in but that's highly unlikely cuz literally nobody takes previews like that in Korea
And this is a Canon menu
Like you can even tell on the menu screen they are zooming in crazy
The photos just have no detail in them LOL
Might as well take a photo with your phone at that point
I absolutely do not claim to be like the second coming of Christ regarding like photos because I suck a lot and there are a lot of people that take way better photos than me like not even on the same spectrum, but there are a lot of pages out there that I just don't know what they are doing sometimes LOL
night mulch
Barely had time to mess with it ree
It's so tiny
Really can't wait to see the images out of this thing
grave prairie
Same !
runic magnet
this picture is so good
warm patio
this picture is so good
Where’s that from? It’s so pretty
red tartan
omo, I loved cinematography in this movie
I'm assuming Arris aren't particularly cheap? 
grave prairie
These lenses cost in the tens of thousands of dollars . They are usually rented out . Single lenses can cost from around $150 to $400 a day. You can hire a set like here for $400 .
Arri camera bodies are rented out dependant of model and kit build $400 - $900 a day
- Though the difference in quality between camera bodies, lenses that are within $5k compared to $50-$100k is very close .
These arri lenses are new around $20 - $30k (zoom lenses around up to $60k) ex showroom & used selection here.
For that widescreen look anamorphic lenses are the way to go
Moment make a good quality adapter that fits to any lens
Sirui & Viltrox make afforadable anamorphic lenses
This guy has you covered - https://www.youtube.com/@AnamorphicOnABudget/videos
Anamorphic is a stylistic look that not all directors go for . Just happens to be the batman style .
Some prefer the ‘spherical’ look
Sometimes cropping the frame top & bottom
At this moment in time the Panasonic s5 ii or s5ii X is the budget camera body to go for at $2000 / $2300 that packs the most punch at that price point, comparible to cameras that cost twice as much. The Sony FX30 is also a good camera to look at though not full frame like the Panasonic s5ii/x .
This Kpop video was shot on the Sony fx30 https://youtu.be/bnNEjSiw42Q
I still to save up moneys for this equipment myself : )
by the way ..
old photography lenses make nice characteristic lens choices
ebay for $30 - $150 typically
Canon FD lenses, Vivitar 28mm 2.5, Olympus OM lenses, Contax Zeiss ..
vintage looks
same cinematographer 2 different camera bodies
nice editing style - good results
You can get amazing beautiful results on a budget. Why i think Loona could still make amazing content on a budget in terms of video production.
Sorry, went on a rant. : )
grave prairie
red tartan
These lenses cost in the tens of thousands of dollars . They are usually rented ...
ah, they are rented, that makes sense 
runic magnet
Where’s that from? It’s so pretty
grave prairie
ah, they are rented, that makes sense <:heejinxd:482987252633305088>
Hehe yeah !
runic magnet
really want this retro camera now
red tartan
tfw we used to have only those
now it's retro 
grave prairie
really want this retro camera now
The m38 is a better model
runic magnet
ahh
runic magnet
The m35 came out only a few years ago
ohh you have it?
do you have some sample pictures
runic magnet
ohh ok
grave prairie
The m38 has a better and more powerful flash plus the winding mechanisms are better designed and made
You can buy second hand 35mm film cameras for about the same price that are technically better
Though the m38 does have a certain look / charm in the images
Cheap plastic cameras can still take wonderful photographs
warm patio
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeS6nnSKMqL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
I know its late but thank youuu
runic magnet
how does flash work so well for them
night mulch
Gotta post this here too
Would absolutely not complain about a future where this was a thing
grave prairie
200mm is so damn tiny lmao
Ooh snug
night mulch
Background just obliterated
Dont even want to use my 70200 anymore 🤣
It's so damn good
night mulch
I think this was fifty fifty idk but holy shit
that dof is so busted
like jesus not even her full face is in focus
night mulch
I don't know who this is was some idol idk but
yeah this is one of those times I'm noticing the bokeh difference
this is just ridiculous
you just can't see any of those fans in the background LOL
jesus
dark beacon
no need to blur edit other faces lol
night mulch
no kidding
dark beacon
looks like what bokeh post processing phones are trying to do. but you'll realize how they just can't do it
grave prairie
you just can't see any of those fans in the background LOL
Ahaha no need to blur faces out 
grave prairie
looks like what bokeh post processing phones are trying to do. but you'll realiz...
Yeah phones are never going to match
Not this quality
The bokeh is so damn creamy
Geezuz i want one aha
It’s a 2.0 right ?
How’s the focal length working out for ya? Not too awkward ?
night mulch
It's manageable I just have to get used to it
It's definitely a little awkward following idols around literally
Quite difficult to frame given the weight and fixed focal length
night mulch
I actually do think I will be considering selling my 70-200 when I get back I'm seriously that impressed with this lens
like yeah it's heavy but it's made me sit here and really want to take photos with it
it was so funny the reactions I was getting yesterday with it
70-200 takes great photos and is way more practical but it's also not really unique
idk want to take photos that stand out
it's not even that impractical traveling with either to be honest
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grave prairie
night mulch
nana RICH
grave prairie
It’s a replica
Apparently exactly same materials as well
I’m interested in lenslab version of a cooke lens they are bringing out
grave prairie
bokehhhhhhhhh
Creamy !
night mulch
I don't know who this is was some idol idk but
lmao same dude same lens different day
bokeh not as ridiculous here but still
grave prairie
mystery man
red tartan
your shots Rose?
night mulch
Yeah
night mulch
Busy earlier lmao
Yeah I'd say like any photo I post here is gonna be mine
I forget that dudes name
handsome ass mfer
not jealous
how this dude be looking hot effortlessly two different days in a row
grave prairie
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grave prairie
friend of a friends ig with some top pictures
grave prairie
Woo!ah 35mm 📸 film aesthetic love
red tartan
how to tell if it's 35?
grave prairie
hmm can be tricky sometimes;
Fujifilm cameras are the best for mimicking film .
Here the date film stamp bottom right is a give away - though they can be added in app but this is def not a phone camera reasons below;
the grain has a nice blend and colouring blending in with the photo, noise grain or fake grain does not blend in colour and saturation with the image it is it’s own pattern does not blend in so well.
The shadow details are well preserved and manage to keep their colour in them, digital has a less latitude in dynamic range than film does ( though the panasonic s5ii has caught up ) and less colour information. The road and yellow lines keep good detail and colour.
When comparing film photos to digital, look at the highlights, film always has a much smoother graduation into the midtones and also has a much more pleasing halation than digital, softer, gradual, organic ..
The same with resolution it’s more organic and not so sharp harsh.
the last photo the camera shake the camera is trying to compensate for darkness in the scene and flash for the foreground digital cameras do this on auto mode as well but do a better job because they can select a higher iso for the background and not shutter speed so tells me this camera is limited in iso (1 film = 1 iso) , but some old digital cameras only go up to 800 tbf.
the selfies have a nice organic grain and organic resolution plus the shadow is harsh under the chin so it’s def not an iphone or y2k camera because their flash units sit so close to the lens there is no shadow (some people prefer some don’t) .
the 2nd last picture the camera missed focus on the girls and focussed on the background which is a common thing with old 35mm point and shoot cameras that are not sophisticated enough to pick up a subject in front if the 1 autofocus point is pointing at something in the distance - a common occurance with 2 people in the frame. Tells me this camera is an 80s point and shoot .
Also i have experience shooting and scanning film and shooting digital so you just kind of get an eye for it as well ..
This guys video is really interesting he shot the same image with rolls of film and his fuji camera with film simulations, you’ll see the differences with your own eyes when you see the comparisons he makes - skip to 8 minutes (first half is him taking the pictures) ☺️
fake film , i had to put the camera light on to fill in the shadows - added grain and played with settings but still looks digital (to me) but it’s more filmic ..
Normal iphone
without light filling in shadows
Using kodak 800 film simulation
I prefer the warmer tones of the iphone but i could maybe find a warmer film sim or add warmth in lightroom
, film would be able to lift the shadows a lot closer to what our eyes see . Our eyes have dynamic range of i think it’s 21 or 23 , camera phones are around 12 stops, film is around 14 stops ( 2 stops of light is a lot) - professional (hollywood) cinema cameras are 14 - 15.5 typically . Though the new arri alexa 35 just came out with 17 stops of light that camera costs about $90,000
dslrs are typically 13 stops of light. Sony & Panasonic latest models now just starting to hit 14 in real world tests .
quiet lagoon
grave prairie
Nice colour a d lighting on this film - of course being a top film
going for the typical teal and orange look
A classic colour combination
red tartan
I only knew it because it's directed by Polish guy 
red tartan
hmm can be tricky sometimes;
Fujifilm cameras are the best for mimicking film ....
whew, thanks for a comprehensive answer!
are there photo film sizes other than 35mm tho? and if so, how to differentiate those by eye if it's even possible
grave prairie
whew, thanks for a comprehensive answer!
are there photo film sizes other than 3...
Hi! That’s ok, sorry i’ll try to keep my answers shorter. There were quite a few factors to consider in that answer though.
The other common film size is 120 for medium format film cameras . Grain, dynamic range, highlight roll off and halation like 35mm film .
Then there are large format film stocks i’m not familiar with .
red tartan
so basically 35mm is synonym to film photo because it's the most common format? 
night mulch
I think once I got past the honeymoon phase I've realized the 200mm's faults. It's super super sharp and has great images but the lack of flexibility is making me miss shots and there's been a few times I've had to swap lenses because of it here. Gonna have to evaluate it some more
grave prairie
so basically 35mm is synonym to film photo because it's the most common format? ...
Yes 
night mulch
Honestly yeah
It's a mixed bag really
The amount of reactions I get pulling out the 200mm is never gonna not be funny
Also I sent that earlier in the day but I've noticed this happening a lot but I actually have... a LOT of missed shots too
like uh out of focus
I think that's another reason I'm going to be thinking about that
grave prairie
pulsar perch
I think once I got past the honeymoon phase I've realized the 200mm's faults. It...
sounds like you just need a second body
night mulch
TRUE
nah I just used my 70-200 today and literally every photo was in focus
I think it's just a byproduct of it being an older lens and not having fast enough motors to focus quick enough
or something
grave prairie
red tartan
here art thread #1042636298680291428 message
warm patio
are they not that common in the photography world??
pulsar perch
Once upon a time perhaps, but Contax G in that condition aren't very commonly seen among today's photographers unless you frequent rangefinder forums lol
It's an autofocusing rangefinder 35mm film camera, with interchangeable lenses
When mirrorless cameras like Panasonic and Olympus m4/3 or Sony NEX first came onto the scene, there was a rush to buy up these older rangefinder lenses and the prices skyrocketed, since they could finally be used effectively on a digital body.
But the film bodies only in the last 5-7 years started to have a resurgence in use I would say.
warm patio
rangefinder?
pulsar perch
rangefinder?
In this context, it refers to a type of focusing mechanism
I'm not sure there's an easy way of explaining it, perhaps there are youtube videos that simplify and explain how it works 🙂
but basically two separate beams of light come into the camera and a rotating mirror is adjusted to overlap the two images at the center of the viewfinder and that's how you know the image will be in focus.
The rotating mirror is coupled/linked with the lens focusing ring.
And usually calibrated to the lens as well, although in the context of interchangeable lens rangefinders, it gets a bit tricky.
grave prairie
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grave prairie
dam these pictures are sick.
pulsar perch
that 9th photo, hope she had her tetanus shot
runic magnet
night mulch
oh sweet jesus what the fuck did I open this chat up to
this wasn't what I was expecting
runic magnet
I think it belongs ehre
grave prairie
Just some light painting back of camera shots
pulsar perch
grave prairie
grave prairie
nature is healing 
zinc ether
yes
grave prairie
cute star fishnets too
zinc ether
tyy
autumn bridge
grave prairie
pulsar perch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THeFCAXSLmY
Isn't this pretty commonly done for videos that are in 24P but they need it to be broadcast on NTSC at 29.97 or WEB 30P?
I think it's called 3:2 pull-down or something, but YouTube doesn't support interlaced ...
if one had access to a higher quality version of the 30fps converted Zero video, possibly interlaced, perhaps more streamlined inverse telecine/reverse 3:2 pulldown could do the trick 
Is that what you tried in Premiere?
autumn bridge
Real 2:3 pulldown has the oversample nature that it will add a slight motion blur, of which NTSC broadcast will accept to use.. This is not it.
The vice versa is called 3:2 pulldown, and no, your source was already a good 24p, why you didn't just leave it there?
It doesn't make sense to me that they did ok on the main MV, but skimped on the performance MV.
Which lead me to think this is a mistake.
What I tried in Premiere is manually arranging and modifying the clip speed so most of them fall back into every slot in those 24 frames a second. No interpolation was made.
This video wasn't about interpolation, this video is about the juddering artifact, and no, I refuse to believe someone professionally want judder in their video. It was called an artifact for a reason.
pulsar perch
Thank you for the explanation 🙇♀️
autumn bridge
Oh shit
I just solved the sync issue
Holy shit
Ok I am freaking out
Ok wait
Did I just found the magic number?
FUCK
IT WORKS
HAOKWHEJKLAWJELKAJW
okay okay
I have another MV to try this out
my hands are shaking, I just made a discovery
OPAWEOPLAKLAEWAWKL;EAWE
hallow aurora
I am here
autumn bridge
So
For every video
There exists a hidden polarity
Yesterday I sped up clips to make them fit back into 24fps space
hallow aurora
Yeap
autumn bridge
So I got somewhat okay results with issues of sync
Turns out
What I haven't tried
is slowing down
autumn bridge
Yes
Usually when I speed up
The clips do not align until like a few seconds later
hallow aurora
Yeap
autumn bridge
after that it gets smooth
Now when I go below 100%
The polarity gets reversed
Now the smoother frames start at zero second
In a way I am "stretching the clip" 0.01 times
So the whole video gets 0.01% slower
Therefore
All the frames should fall into the correct spaces, with much more minimized information loss
So before, I have to do this amount of variable speed
But with this new method, all I did was change one speed for whole
AND IT IS FIXED
I used Bad Boy MV
because it also has the issue
.....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
DUDE IT WAS LITERALLY ONE OPERATION
OMG I AM SO HAPPY RN
ok I have to render to see to believe
And to confirm it works
dark beacon
it does makes total sense i guess? if you want to make 24fps fit to 30fps? you kinda wanna make more frames right?
autumn bridge
By default it does add frames, repeated frames
ok Darren try like, watch Bad Boy MV
On yt
I want to confirm you see the juddering
After that, look at this demo
dude I am shaking
There's 2 more MVs I wanna try
Rose Blue MV and I I forgot the other one
That MV has massive juddering issue
Oh
Ok that's interesting
autumn bridge
Okay
I understand now
It's not a fix for all MVs
Rose Blue MV different because the juddering is massive but only at certain areas
So some parts I have to 99.99%
Some parts I kept original speed
Some parts I do 100.01%
To fully fix it I have to select a certain part that is affected
And do the speed m0difier
Track 1 100%, Track 2 and 3 are mixture of 99.99% and 100.02%
dusk jackal
im just gon nod smile and pretend to understand whatever these tetris things r
autumn bridge
This scene particularly was very difficult because it was slowed down at source
So an unconventional number was used
but I got it
I know how to (manually) unjudder videos now with reduced labour
autumn bridge
im just gon nod smile and pretend to understand whatever these tetris things r
Bruni watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THeFCAXSLmY
My entire premise was about video judder
dusk jackal
i appreciate you excitement but no thank you😭
autumn bridge
aw
autumn bridge
Should rename this channel as Photography and Videography
don't want to make a new one because no one'd care
autumn bridge
I have the changes ready
Which part of Rose Blue MV you want to see smoothed out?
I chose scenes with a more obvious movements
autumn bridge
Pixel peeped the whole MV
It's almost perfect
Which is good enough for everyone
I do not need to ask people to interpolate the videos anymore
But I wanna try more MVs
Quicknote : not a single LOONA mv has suffered this juddering problem, seems like Digipedi is competent enough to do final checks
YES
I remembered another one
Pristin V's MV
and it works right away
Now the MV is much more watchable
autumn bridge
Oh
SNSD- Gee is also juddery
Russian Roulette is also juddery
Man I sound like a maniac fr
hallow aurora
ok Darren try like, watch Bad Boy MV
Okie ngl I forgot about this HAHAH SORRY
autumn bridge
Time to ultilize my Mega drive
dark beacon
there seems to be a number of these juddery vids, do you think any of these are actually intentional?
dark beacon
yeh, but like, is it a kind of video artifacting that you can reproduce if you definitely want it to happen?
autumn bridge
Oh you can definitely reproduce it
Most MVs are in 24fps
if you're the camera director you already set you cam to either 24fps or 48fps
and logically, they will follow the cinematic film framerate of 24fps
So the one who edits the MV initially will set it in a 24p timeline
Where it gets wrong is when you encode it
You also need to encode in 24
If you don't, and you forgot to check your encoding settings
By default it will go 30 for online video
Thus, judder happens
Because you are dividing 24 by 30
Not 24 by 24
You can do it like right now in Capcut if you have
LOONA MVs are fortunately properly encoded so you can try downloading one
Put it in editor
And re-render it but use 30fps as output
You'll get the juddering artifact
dark beacon
oh so the encoding thing happen during the rendering process? or is it an uploading online compression thing?
lmao sorry i'm not big on terms, just got curious 'cause you talked about it and the juddering being found on a handful of these mvs
autumn bridge
oh so the encoding thing happen during the rendering process? or is it an upload...
Instagram messes around with encoding so yes
Youtube will not, what framerate you upload is what framerate you will get
So it's within the rendering process
autumn bridge
https://mega.nz/file/ZP5gwLCY#kesqJJNp-pqz9Kdxn1kuxIYW7AfNrxVp4yUlcA06_Ms
Here's unjuddered Rose Blue
I actually have a theory tho why this does happen to a number of MVs, assuming the original editor didn't know, and didn't check the final output on YT, while their masterfile is fine
Someone else did the encodinfg wrong and didn't know.
Broadcast networks do have to verify the MV for age rating, and when they're done, they have to bake this into the MV, to show rating.
What they didn't check is the timeline framerate on their end, and thus encoded it as thus
Anyway, here's GET IT
https://mega.nz/file/JDZ3TBiR#rwVlqU_sLwAbazggB0qMGUbyKM1PqDC9yA1CBrIzBAs
And last for the night, Russian Roulette
https://mega.nz/file/AGQUgTpb#NDv9cDTCwaDjAjr21Aab8jecy_5yCBtwYvhsMdARbQU
I better not find any more juddery MVs or my very dominating impulsive thoughts will dejudder them
autumn bridge
https://mega.nz/file/ZP5gwLCY#kesqJJNp-pqz9Kdxn1kuxIYW7AfNrxVp4yUlcA06_Ms
Here'...
This should be the most apparent difference because the one on YT has some severe juddering
vapid sierra
do you have any other mvs?
autumn bridge
These are only the ones that is juddery
If you can spot a juddery MV you can send it here
vapid sierra
what does juddery mean
echo hill
would it make more sense to compare it to the normal mv as well
you said that one was done properly right?
echo hill
zero
autumn bridge
Oh
The main MV is fine yes
The performance MV was not
Yes you can just compare between the 2
And you can see the difference
https://mega.nz/file/Qb5jzZJY#9Fsc8Dti2WWZllPouRHzqAo2i3u1r2VbpDTJwXQ0s4s
actually, last, Zero in full screen
autumn bridge
I cannot
This is not about resolution
This is about motion
Upscaling requires beefy PC and AI, and I don't have both
vapid sierra
oh
grave prairie
a product designed by the guy that designs 50k lenses to the cinema industry, designed this for the consumer market to come close to the lenses he designs for the cinema industry. interesting ..
They say he designs the lenses, but i think he probably designs the customary aspects of them. You know how cinematographers can ask certain lenses to be customized for a certain look for their film.
grave prairie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THeFCAXSLmY
it is much smoother for real
nice work !!!!
So slowing down the footage works better then ..
Not sure if could spot a video with juttering or not with my own eyes ..
pulsar perch
https://youtu.be/dcebaQQCyfk
this just looks like a lens adapter with a speed booster that is coupled to its own focus ring ...
wait yeah that's ... exactly what it is lol
a shame that some of the first adapter makers like metabones didn't think of adding a focusing ring to their speed boosters lol
grave prairie
this just looks like a lens adapter with a speed booster that is coupled to its ...
totally ..
i'm guessing the glass has been designed as close to the originals as possible
with whatever budget glass material they have on hand
4 years it took him & from the charts he looks pretty serious about getting the right look
it's pretty cool to be able to have tools that give creatives the chance to play with different feels with the tools they already have with one adapter ..
if it kicks off ..
grave prairie
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Not sure if could spot a video with juttering or not with my own eyes ..
With enough viewing you can learn to tell
I've been looking at all sort of moving object on a screen for like the past 9 years so I remember what and how something moves
And I've been editing videos since I was 16
Quality screens are virtually everywhere, video projection technology is now much more affordable and accessible
CRTs of the days have their legendary very fast response time virtually no pixel delay (GtG)
pulsar perch
i'm guessing the glass has been designed as close to the originals as possible
would definitely be interesting to hear about their process
very nice to have the budget and the capabilities of testing different glass formulations and lens arrangements to see what mimics vintage glass
a lot of those old glass used radioactive ingredients that aren't as readily available today
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Owo wtf
grave prairie
grave prairie
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......
I will say one thing tho
Cinematography is great on this one, I like how it is framed and shot
But they had to ruin it by doing a non-standard crop
NON
STANDARD
CROP
AAAAAAAAAArgh
(this agitates me and me only)
dark beacon
lmao watched this on phone, so this is why its not filling the full width of the screen
echo hill
i was wondering if they were trying to fit the z fold aspect ratio
but the bars are in the actual video so :/
echo hill
on the outer screen
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Nah this is narrower than 22:9
echo hill
z fold 4 is
echo hill
yeah it wrong its way narrower
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They attempted to do Univisum crop (my fav crop) but added bit more black area
Like bro
YOU'RE ALREADY THERE, DON'T ADD UP TO IT
AAAAJWKDMAKD
echo hill
im watching on my phone now
its like when you try to emulate an n64 game on a 16:10 monitor
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KEK
echo hill
yo dawg you want some bars with your bars
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THEY TAINTED THE UNIVISUM
Ok I am way too mad for something super trivial but
Univisum is my fav and they tainted that
It's not like you have to have a license to use a crop
I would be happy if they used American crop
I would be happy if they used the overrated 2.35:1
And I would certainly be the most happy boi if they used Univisum (2:1)
But they chose violence and t-
...mmmMmmmMMMMmMM
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That looks quite terrifying ngl
zinc ether
yeah😭
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Okay
So being still agitated at SM's decision that was made in that aespa MV
I recomposed the MV onto a 1.85:1
aka US Widescreen
Already it looks marginally better
Oh
I have an idea
I wanna make it little bit anamorphic so I'll introduce tiny bit of squeeze
Omfg
CINEMATIC LENS WARP
Before reframing
Another great shot at the lens distortion
sorry if this seems like I am nerding out on a slightly smushed frames
I heard some people call this the "A24" crop, dunno why that is but A24 does use this crop regularly
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that aespa MV but I reframed to 1.85:1 and anamorphic distorted
Ok so my findings from this experiment is that ununiformity of the subject in the frame gives it a little artistic touch
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YUH
upper slateBOT
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grave prairie
16 & 8mm film 
@autumn bridge i can’t wait until i have the money for a nice macbook and have fun with editing videos
my old laptop can handle photos and that’s about it
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<@130485883190247425> i can’t wait until i have the money for a nice macbook an...
Oh wowww dude
grave prairie
yeah be nice
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https://mega.nz/file/NToFySYQ#6V1116gMcW1_34kthGML7v9Zga6c6GXH7cPMBeXxyAo
Oh lefal watch this, I did a slight tweak on the other aespa MV
oK
Properly watching the Salty and Sweet MV now
Oh
Oh my fucking god
OOOOhh hmy fuc
I know what's happening
The editor, tried to dejudder this MV before uploading
and failed
I recognize this stutter
This is when you just place your 30fps video in a 24fps timeline without doing adjustments
.....
Bro
WHo
Who rendered this and thought "that's smooth"?
also am I hearing loudness normalization?
echo hill
yeah after the last couple days of comeback i might have to become a "listen to the track before the mv" person
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I can literally emulate this stutter and so does you
This is literally
24fps good source >> 30fps bad output >> 24fps worse output
Someone was trying to fix someone else's mistake
I refuse to believe this was artistic choice, the motion looks horrible
bro nah
I literally recognize this stutter
On the other hand, I can't insult the bars actually because that looks like proper 4:3
So on that remark I can see what it is for
These ones are I think a 35mm thingy
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On the other hand, I can't insult the bars actually because that looks like prop...
eh....yeah more or less
They used that crop for the appropriate camera
which is a VHS style cam
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These ones are I think a 35mm thingy
Or some reel to reel film stuff, iunno
But I can see why that border is there
red tartan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THeFCAXSLmY
ok but there's no explanation of what juddery is 🥲
which I believe is repetition of the same frame once in a while, which I'm encountering while editing different Loona MVs and it drives me crazy
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ok but there's no explanation of what juddery is 🥲
which I believe is repetiti...
Wait
Which LOONA MV?
From my memory none of em had this issue
they're properly encoded
red tartan
yea each MV separately don't
but not all of them are encoded with the same fps so when I add them to my timeline, some of them are affected
red tartan
yappp
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I know what you mean
red tartan
and Vlive teasers are in 30fps I think
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If that's the case settle for 23.976 and stretch them 0.01%
red tartan
SITR vlive version gave me the most problems
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and Vlive teasers are in 30fps I think
Oh no you have to treat that first
if you suspect that it was either a 24/23.976 source you can use my method of slowing down the clips by 0.01%
Sometimes more sometimes less
red tartan
afaik doing the slowing down trick in Davinci does not fix that 
and sync with music goes to hell as well
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No leave music alone
About sync, it's about a microsecond if you carefully clip em
In practice, it won't be noticeable
red tartan
I tried slowing down by different values and duplicated frames still persisted 
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https://mega.nz/file/ZP5gwLCY#kesqJJNp-pqz9Kdxn1kuxIYW7AfNrxVp4yUlcA06_Ms
Here'...
See this Morthy, a 30fps juddery source slowed down and sped up by a factor of 0.02%
red tartan
what was your fps output for this vid?
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I tried slowing down by different values and duplicated frames still persisted <...
It won't go away altogether, you have to clip only the affected ones and separate them in another track to be dealt later
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what was your fps output for this vid?
Think it was just 24
Actually nvm
23.976
I separated some because they need to use different values
red tartan
See this Morthy, a 30fps juddery source slowed down _and sped up_ by a factor of...
aha, original has stutter every 4th frame
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the NewJeans stuff's timeline looks like this for me
If it's repeating, I isolate
try different value until it works
Continue
Clip
Slow/speed
Repeat
red tartan
so trial and error each time? 
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And it's case by case
Because here's Bad Boy
I only applied one speed m0difer
And it instantly works
red tartan
ok so what's physically happen that frames turn okay and they're still synced to music?
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ok so what's physically happen that frames turn okay and they're still synced to...
By one or 2 microsecond off
More if you clip more
because you're basically recovering information, while losing some in progress
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Here's Bad Boy
https://mega.nz/file/0WoXkKqK#ixdVMQhgyL_JD4zdLKzCnvoELPZ0jvucN0s...
Bad Boy here
Pristin V's Get It
red tartan
that means juddering is not distributed evenly in the source?
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Yep
red tartan
weird af lol
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quick mafs
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that means juddering is not distributed evenly in the source?
I mean quite a lot of variables where this can happen
For one, if you're NTSC you'd either shoot in 24 or 48, only sometimes 60 for slowmo stuff
Putting in a 60FPS in a 24 doesn't look that bad actually, until you squint
The problem arises when the editor can't decide to edit in perfect 24
or broadcast friendly 23.976
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or broadcast friendly 23.976
I still don't know why this is the case
But Premiere also defaults to 23.976 eventhough you picked a 24fps preset, that is until you explicitly tell the encoder to do perfect 24
red tartan
hoh
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But Premiere also defaults to 23.976 eventhough you picked a 24fps preset, that ...
(Adobe Media Encoder allows you to do this)
Up until this point
Everything should look ok
24 or 23.976, the differences are invisible at best
Actual problem starts when you mistakenly export in 30fps
Because either you're dumb, or you didn't realize, or someone asked you to do 2:3 pulldown (of which you ONLY, and ONLY send that video to tv networks)
They'll take care the interlacing shit by themselves
When you put a perfectly good 24fps video in a 30fps timeline and encode it nonchalantly
Judder occurs
That's why I said this is never intentional
red tartan
I mean yeah I can't see scenario where someone would want that
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I actually have a theory tho why this does happen to a number of MVs, assuming t...
One of my theories of why this happens to quite a number of MV is this one
At least that's the one that makes the most sense to me
red tartan
o wait I never thought of who actually bakes the ratings kek
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Back to the numbers
PAL practically solves this argument
Since they only need to worry about 2 numbers
25 and 50
That's it
PAL countries basically never have to do pull-down
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I WAS FUCKING RIGHT
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Bro
@echo hill watch this shit
I betcha if I can get HQ of this Instagram reel
I can dejudder it
echo hill
.scamnet
idle pantherBOT
grave prairie
most kpop mv bts screens if memory serves me right shoot at 23.976
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Paint The Town was 48 and 60 I think
grave prairie
that i’ve seen .. can’t really recall seeing 24 or 30 
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that i’ve seen .. can’t really recall seeing 24 or 30 <:pikathink:86650979280119...
Broadcast use 30
However please avoid that, and use 60
grave prairie
For me personally when i do start to do vids my plan is to keep the recording, timeline and export at the same fps
that’s all i know 
i don’t need to worry about broadcast
I’m in a pal country
So i guess if anything was for potentially tv just shoot at 25 or 50
grave prairie
What happens when it gets broadcast abroad ? Does it fuk up ?
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What happens when it gets broadcast abroad ? Does it fuk up ?
They have to pulldown
2:3 pulldown
grave prairie
That’s cool
So if a company is shooting an mv in south korea at 23.976 then why would anyone upload a professional music video at any other frame rate ???
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If they're small company and don't have much video knowledge
They'll either shoot 60 or 30, and edit in 30
grave prairie
But it’s super basic stuff 
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But it’s super basic stuff <:PES_HuhWtf:642742545700618303>
Also because of budget
grave prairie
budget?
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But it’s super basic stuff <:PES_HuhWtf:642742545700618303>
It's basic, but not level 0 basic
grave prairie
Maybe i just had good training
grave prairie
I learned from a photography course ran by nick knight that dipped into fashion videography a little
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If you hired a reality show editor they'll use reality show settings
grave prairie
broadcast settings
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And that depends on how well versed are they in cinematic frames
I think it's like music
Some people can't see it
grave prairie
Yeah
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But once you can see the difference you cannot unsee
red tartan
Also because of budget
I'd think any company working on videos would know their basics 
grave prairie
So whats up with the wooah mv ?
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The debut MV was in 30fps
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I'd think any company working on videos would know their basics <:pepeuhm:699366...
Well clearly some don't
If my memory serves correct
Yep it's 30
grave prairie
That’s ok no?
grave prairie
I always prefer higher fps videos because they are smoother
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True
But that's for non artistic stuff
I view MVs as moving art
Sure, back in the days of UHF TV, MVs were actually in broadcast frames
But slowly times changed and people were making movies on music videos
And now it's a worldwide standard
grave prairie
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Ah, interpolation
grave prairie
Some people apparently made them into 60fps that can’t be as good as shooting 60
red tartan
they forgot to make cuts between shots 
interpolation between scenes very beauty
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60fps oroginal - good
Upscaled - 60 not as good
Well that's obvious
Because you're rendering additional information that wasn't there to begin with
grave prairie
Yeah
red tartan
I'm not fan of high fps for cinematic videos anyway, 30 is the highest acceptable
red tartan
25 is barely difference from 24
red tartan
oh speaking of shutter speed, here's nice example of deliberate longer exposure in choreo scenes, those with black n gold outfits
https://youtu.be/XrcjZgjKzj0?t=67
(aside from MV just being unbelievably pretty btw)
grave prairie
How can you tell the framerate ?
Did they mention it or did you work out? I still to watch the video
grave prairie
grave prairie
oh speaking of shutter speed, here's nice example of deliberate longer exposure ...
Nice video !
red tartan
I wish it was more recognized 
one of the most beautiful MVs I've seen, tho maybe I'm just biased towards Chinese aesthetics
grave prairie
23.976 & 60 fps
Geralds video is interesting stipulating that /50 or /60 second is the most natural looking (at 23.976 / 24 / 30 / 60 fps ) but probably because cinema & tv have trained our eyes this way because that’s the 180 shutter from 24fps were used to
Unless slowed down footage the 180 degree should be followed for shooting 60fps at /120 or 120fps at 250 because things moving slow don’t have motion blur
So those are the most natural looking settings
For effect i love how christopher doyle shot some of chungking express and fallen angels at 15th second and they added frames onto the film roll up to 24fps so you get that long dragged out blurry effect but looks so dreamy ..
I wonder what 120fps at /60 would be like
More frames than neccesary i suppose
Unless shooting fast action
red tartan
I think I saw some MVs doing that (and definetely many movies) but sometimes it appears too artificial because it's not how our eyes would perceive those movements
also those aespa story videos struggle with consistency of motion blur lolol
echo hill
120fps at 60 would just be the same result as having a faster shutter speed right
grave prairie
fallen angels is insane .. you can drag your mouse across (nearly) any frame in this movie and it looks like an amazing beautiful photo
grave prairie
120fps at 60 would just be the same result as having a faster shutter speed righ...
motion blur remains the same no matter what fps - so /60th shutter speed would still be not far off that cinematic look in terms of motion
so i guess that the footage will somehow feel more fluid but still have that cinematic blur
" Now new studies are on the horizon to understand the processing abilities that we can reach and to replicate the methods our eyes perceive data. The numbers from the study back up to some degree that most people could not see more than 60 frames per second. Almost right – at 13 milliseconds per image, it demonstrates that we can see and discern data from images at up to 72 frames per second."
^ that's interesting
grave prairie
also those aespa story videos struggle with consistency of motion blur lolol
i still to watch those yes ..
grave prairie
I think I saw some MVs doing that (and definetely many movies) but sometimes it ...
yeah apparently our eyes can see they believe 30-60 possibly up to 72 frames per second your right
grave prairie
upper slateBOT
@_nuts.tokyo_ <t:1683171481:d>
grave prairie
Yusuke, very nice gentleman & tokyo street photographer
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I am actually processing what am I seeing her
So I see the humongous wall outlet
So they tiny
Got that
But then there's like millions of small outlets
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Also I swear to god I saw this face before
Who the fuck is that person
Fuck
this gonna make me lose sleep tonight
he's an internet meme of.....
FUCK
I CAN'T RECALL
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Eh not this one
echo hill
side note: crushing the coke can is a genius way of hiding the brand logo
thats not even why im here
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side note: crushing the coke can is a genius way of hiding the brand logo
LMAO. as they rock iPhones and Airpods Max
echo hill
this dance set looks the most out of place imo
camera is completely different
but it also doesnt look like they had to switch out to it in a hurry
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this dance set looks the most out of place imo
which
echo hill
like with the same decor?
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That teeth was there, but not anything else
brittle stump
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<a:chuuspy2:403396230958284800>
Camel, where is this
I have a feeling you know this by heart
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I believe you
grave prairie
white lens club 
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I just learned a new crop
IMAX
which is 1.9:1
Which is just a little bit wider than US Widescreen 1.85:1
brittle stump
white lens club <a:tlwSparklesWhite:764943151194046486>
Have to say, after about a month of owning this: I do not regret going wider with a 15-35 rather than do a 24-70.
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I have a concept project file that I did long ago
Think I wanna reboot it
And do a side channel
This is an almost 1:1 Monstercat visualizer emulator
Down to the bar count and positioning
I was kinda guessing on the FFT/bar responsiveness but I think I got it right
@frigid frigate
I wanna do a thing with this, what song should I try?
frigid frigate
There's a thread for that? I love that kind of stuff
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And here it is
I mean you can scroll up and see how much I typed in this
Test of the emulator
frigid frigate
Ok, so, you want me to give you a song for this?
frigid frigate
Oh, kpop song, okok
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Down to the thumbnail
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https://open.spotify.com/track/5VMnNLk3KShqp4ZKDLWBEz?si=GLqJ3hDeQ3iRx4m5qolk8g
Owo lemme hear first
Nice, we got House
Keep in mind, I don't have the coloured bars because I am using the simpler 2017-2018 template where they do animated background over white bars
At least that's easier to emulate
frigid frigate
You're telling me you're not going 2013 ultra thin bars 
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Nah PC too dinosaur to render those 200Hz and below bars
if I feel optimistic and has ample free time
I might proceed with my plans and do a side channel for this stuff
Ultra-niche crossover
grave prairie
I’m still rocking this 17-40 for some fashion portrait stuff .. (back of camera)
grave prairie
thankyou
brittle stump
I rarely use wide-standard zooms for humans