Music Making

[azure trellis]

The le sserafim cover of love shot made me realize something insane

The part where they go naaaaaa na na na na na na na

Exo starts on G, goes up to Bb, back down to G, and then the lead vocals go down to F# while the backing vocals go down to F!!

So you get the 2 in one for the natural and harmonic minor and the sweet sweet crunchy dissonance

Personally, I feel like the F feels more complete, and the F# feels more playful, but when combined you get the best of both worlds

Istg this entire time I thought they were singing an F

https://youtu.be/d7XTRW_PeWw

0:45 for your mind to be blown

I love when producers use minor 2nds in the vocals

[winged fulcrum]

Yoo that’s too advanced for me

How did you find the note ?

Like by ears I have no clue

[azure trellis]

https://youtu.be/pDT9AeSeLVs

Moon sua has a minor second in her part at around 1:24

[azure trellis]

I listened to the le sserafim cover and the F# is a lot more exposed than it is in the original

They transposed it up, but to make it a bit simpler I’m still gonna call it an F#

They blended it perfectly so it’s hard to hear

https://youtu.be/QMvHFpYN1GI

Melody played on piano with F

Melody played on piano with F#

Try listening to the original after listening to each melody and try picking out each version

Hm, at the top note, one of the boys almost goes up to a B lol

Shouty backing vocals are really fun

You know what

I think I’m hallucinating

There’s definitely dissonance there but it’s hard to tell what note is being sung lol

Ok I don’t think I’m wrong

Oh my god

I might have an existential crisis rn

Feel my rhythm might be considered just the two of us progression

which may mean Bach air in G might be

I am fucking scared

Oh my god it actually fits

Now to do a chordal analysis on Bach 💀💀

I’m kind of hoping FMR just did a bastardization of the chord progression so they could loop it but still

I think I’m mishearing

I’m going to sleep

This is something for the morning 💀💀

[atomic tangle]

LMAO HESTIA

Your are too genius for your own sake

But is nice, at the end of the day your are on a learning process all the time

I envy you ngl, i regret so much droppin my first bass professor when younger

He was very "theory" driven from the get go, but i just wanted to play you know, as a teen you don't want to spend time trying to figure out lame drawings on a piece of paper

But in retrospect, and where i'm now, that knowledge would make such a better musician overall

[azure trellis]

Theory is a pretty easy cliff to fall off if you learn the basics and then try applying it to music you listen to

Luckily I was mistaken

It uses the canon in d chord progression 👍🏻

Another song that uses it is Because of you by taeil

[azure trellis]

It was worth staying up til 5

I found some dope ass dreamcatcher songs along the way 👍🏻

Wonderland and All Day Long

[serene star]

tbh

i have been making nothing since my headset is broken

now i had to buy the headset again in order to enjoy myself while making stuffs

[azure trellis]

Well, I don’t make stuff that often. I mainly collect music and nerd out

The last time I made anything was for a college prescreening back in December

[atomic tangle]

Woah i'm kinda in the same situation

Like i know if i produce smth with my shitty earbuds, the result would be shitty ofc

I wanna get a pro pair of headphones, probably Beyerdynamics

Have to make a good investment

[serene star]

yea same

[atomic tangle]

Still... we have to power thru it 🦾

Just doing shit for doing sake

Sound mixing and stuff can be fixed later

[winged fulcrum]

Can be fixed with graphs

You normally know at which level things have to be

With eq, compressor

[atomic tangle]

Hmm yea, but doing it with your eyes... idk about that

I get your point

But i prefer using my ears, the "if is sound good is good"

Maybe using graphic stuff later, but still i haven't got so much knowledge of "where" certain sounds or frequencies are tbh

[winged fulcrum]

Yeah I prefer doing by ears too but when I get tired and when I want to produce using graphs helps a lot

[winged fulcrum]

I have a sheet for that but depends of style and also it can be a creative choice

[atomic tangle]

Hmm i guess we are on different genres lol

But share if you want

Any info is welcome

[winged fulcrum]

I need to find it first

[atomic tangle]

Lol no worries

[solar canopy]

Graphs can help but just don't rely on them exclusively

Over the years I've learned what sounds good and what doesn't, when I listen to my projects from just few years ago, most of them sound terrible compared to what I do now. And what might sound good alone (be it guitars or synths for example) might not sound good in a mix. And remember that you can't just copy paste your settings from another songs mix to the next, every mix is different and specific to the song you're creating.

Also be aware of phenomenon called masking, it has to do with your listening setup (be it headphones or monitors) essentially "masking out" frequencies due not being perfectly accurate, and leads you to not making the right decisions because you can't hear everything accurately. Very simple example would be having headphones with nonexistent bass response, therefore you might up the bass too much for other listening setups because you can't hear the bass on yours. Familiarity with your setup helps a lot but cannot compensate for all imperfections there might be.

[serene star]

this tbh

[winged fulcrum]

warning loud content, first time really making drum and bass

Angry stuff

[azure trellis]

Slightly loud

I find it really fun

Now, here’s me wasting my talents

[winged fulcrum]

Kinda clean

[winged fulcrum]

does it sounds like an electric guitar ?

[solar canopy]

Like a real guitar no, but similar vibes, reminds me of the midi guitar sounds used in old video game soundtracks

[pallid spindle]

i can't really hear it but yeah i get similar vibes from it as well

roland cloud zenology has some good e-guitar presets

[azure trellis]

Fmaj9 too good

[winged fulcrum]

I really have to « learn » music theory

[azure trellis]

It’s pretty chill tbh. Go on musictheory.net and go through everything. You can practice and apply the things you learn by printing out some Bach chorales

[serene star]

5 Weeekly's B-sides in one mashup!
Play Game: Memories - Hello World!
Sauces (Weeekly songs featured):

Hello
My Earth
Yummy
Check It Out!
Solar

I did simillar with their main title songs too!
Sauces (Weeekly songs featured):

Tag Me
Zig Zag
After School
Holiday Party
Ven para

might tag @fringe laurel bc he's weeekly enthusiast

[azure trellis]

Oh my god you just reminded tag me existed

Im so fucking obsessed with that song

[azure trellis]

I’m the awkward ass lanky ass Asian dude

Really pleased with how the vocals sound

Song is Beethoven day from you’re a good man Charlie Brown

[winged fulcrum]

Can’t see any Asian

[azure trellis]

That relatively large purple blob

[reef basin]

anyone noticed how the last 3-6 months the production of kpop music has improved a lot

bass seems clearer more defined, travel really well under the track

the mid's have a little more air about them (style choice)

vocals have a wider spread

[pallid spindle]

not gonna lie

i haven't been keeping up with kpop lately LMAO

[solar canopy]

You have any examples that specifically pop to mind?

[pallid spindle]

^yes pls give examples

[reef basin]

hmm . not particulary .. just in general .. but if i were to give some examples ..
https://youtu.be/pG6iaOMV46I
https://youtu.be/w9ueRzymcU0
https://youtu.be/211aaP1-_aw

https://youtu.be/MVjQIQGqNFM

https://youtu.be/POe9SOEKotk

the vocals are more like a wide layer more air

mids have more breathing space

bass is defined & clear less muddy

feels more open

i'll try draw how i feel it

before

now

a very quick rudimentary sketch

the "before" i should have made the waves blend a little more

i don't know how ..

better recording equipment, sample rates? 32bit ?
better compressors ?
a new technique ?

[solar canopy]

Just different mixing/mastering styles

[reef basin]

valve equipment ?

i just find that anything from 6 months ago before had a more .. closedness

and music now seems way wider and open .. more air and more definition

[solar canopy]

Just panning and volume goes a long way

[reef basin]

mmm .. but there's a 'quality'

like the difference between a 12 year old whisky and a 30 year old whisky

i've been wearing the same headphones for 2 years by the way haha

sennheiser overears cost about £170

(wired)

[solar canopy]

Wider vocals is one way of mixing vocals, for example the korean version of poppy is much wider than the original japanese version that has more well defined center

[reef basin]

ohhhhhh.. i wanna listen brb

[solar canopy]

I got you

[reef basin]

right !!

& the korean one came later !

[solar canopy]

For poppy I like the original more, it has better center and also more bass

[reef basin]

Yeahhh me too

[winged fulcrum]

Yup even most of 2022 were clearer

They found the secret sauce

[winged fulcrum]

Definitely this

[reef basin]

Yeah the quality is improving i think

[solar canopy]

From the examples blackpink was definitely very center focused still, rest were either more wider overall or had some wide vocal doublings on certain parts. Kitsch mix feels very crowded to me on the choruses especially.

[solar canopy]

"Quality" hasn't been an issue in the digital side of things for years, and in analog ever longer than that

[reef basin]

I didn’t say it was an issue

To my ears there’s a better quality of sound

maybe it’s not quality maybe it’s something else, but it sounds better to me

Whatever it is

[solar canopy]

I meant in technical point of view quality hasn't been a limiting factor in a long time, it's just about the mix and what kinds of synths/samples/sounds producers decide to use, and the current trend seems to suit your taste

[reef basin]

I wonder , it could be frequency separation through use of eq

Giving a cleaner frequency band to each instrument

So there is less bleed

[solar canopy]

Yes you'd ideally have bass, synths and vocals for example to be more focused on their relative spectrums

[azure trellis]

Some scuffed playing I did a few days ago

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cq0x5EBA66U/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[winged fulcrum]

Piano sound is so satisfying

[atomic tangle]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4Z1ZlABSKDlVByJL3y5OVs?si=85f60f0dbad748a6 @azure trellis you know where this belongs

[azure trellis]

Number 918 👍🏻

[pallid spindle]

been a while since i've dropped something in here

[winged fulcrum]

https://spotify.link/FkEGDbolZyb

Damn dubstep is getting cleaner

[serene star]

another little mashup i made today

Fifty Fifty - Cupid
John Mayer - New Light

[serene star]

meanwhile irfan, take a look of this

[vast tapir]

sounds good

[azure trellis]

Such a bop man

I’m addicted to this chord progression (not the just the two of us chord progression)

If anyone can guess where this chord progression comes from, they get a :jinsoulblush emoji

[azure trellis]

This is kind of how today feels. F#maj7b5/A#

[vast tapir]

I love it!! Thank you sm for sharing :))

[pallid spindle]

any tips for making money off of music?

[azure trellis]

A person I know started off as a studio tech, got a gig writing commercial music and now works as a university professor

Other than that, the most common way is becoming a music teacher

Of course, the most risky option is to become a performer

Not sure much about producers, because I only have that one account from the university professor I know

Finally getting that high note. Earphone warning lol

[winged fulcrum]

Depends on how you approach making music, here is a tip Akirah told me before, he is a dubstep producer and he is quite popular even he is not Skrillex and live with music for like more than 10 years

If you want to make music as an artist

But the approach can be the same as beat producer for rappers or sound designers for companies

I have a friend that make music but mostly with shows

I think he got the same approach

You can also use Patreon, sell samples pack

[azure trellis]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cre5b_kgA0o/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Learnt rhythm changes

Finally mixing up my chord progression vocabulary lol

[serene star]

am i thinking of something here

[vast tapir]

i like the groove

[reef basin]

hi, i'm looking for a pair of overhead headphones for commuting & at home, probably wired because they are cheaper and in my old headphones the wire delivered better bass.
budget from £80 - £150 ( push to £200 )

need to have:
good sound (obviously)
good quality material to withstand daily use for years (hoping to get 3-5+ years of use)
optional: noise cancelling

currently looking at these ..
https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/austrian-audio-hi-x15
seem to be good for the price & well made...

anyone got any other suggestions from experience ?? any help is much appreciated !!

p.s previous headphones sennheiser momentum 2

[solar canopy]

I'd recommend DT 770 from Beyerdynamic, excellent sound quality and build to last. Also replacement parts available for all bits from the manufacturer or various stores that sell their products. Only caveat is the cable is not detachable which is not ideal for travelling (still fairily easily replaceable if you know how to solder). What would solve this is getting DT 700 PRO X instead since it has detachable cable, but it is pushing your budget at around £205 since it's much newer. I personally don't have issues with non-detachable cables, if you're used to living with cables and don't abuse it badly I don't think it's an issue.

I have DT 880 and DT 770 as well, latter which I use for traveling purposes or if I need a bit bassier sound signature. I've had the 880's since 2014 with no issues except replacing the headband once when it started to wear out. The 770's I bought and used primarily for when I was travelling to school via bus every day for 4 years, no issues so far. Also their velour ear pads are really comfy.

Another great option could be ATH-M50x from Audio-Technica, great pair headphones that have stood the test of time. They have detachable cable and the rotating earcups make them excellent choice for travelling as well. A quick look shows they have replacement parts available for the most wear heavy bits as well, but not quite every single part like Beyerdynamic. No personal experience about product life span, but I'd expect them to last well hearing from people I know that use them daily in the studio and travelling.

The one you linked seem great as well, and I would assume quality as they are former AKG people. Detachable cable and rotating earcups as well, even if not foldable, are great for travelling and comfort here as well. They are reasonably priced as well and I'm assuming this is partly because they are not yet nearly as big of a brand like the giants. Looks like they have replacement parts for the wear heavy bits available too.

Reached character limit so continuing for the conclusion:

If you have more priority in home listening but still need having decent portability and can take care of not abusing the cable, I'd go with the DT 770. Also the velour ear pads to me personally are the most comfy option for long perioids of listening by far. Consider the 700 PRO X if your budget allows it, since it solves the cable concern.

If you have higher priority in portability while still retaining fantastic sound quality, I'd go with the ATH-M50x.

The Hi-X15 is likely a great option as well while being the most competitively priced too, and fits between the other options in terms of portability. No personal experience from me or people I know the give out, but seems great from reviews in overall.

[reef basin]

I read/heard the DTs quite treble heavy ?

I’m mostly listening to Kpop , sometimes indie/indie rock

Wow thanks so much for this !!!

[reef basin]

The DT700 pro x look good!

[solar canopy]

@reef basin DT 770's are pretty treble heavy, but your ears gets used to most things pretty fast. I don't mind the treble personally, and if anything it might help you hear some details while travelling that would otherwise drown out due background noise. Also nothing a bit of EQ can't solve. I have yet to try the newer PRO X models myself, but from graphs they seem to have (around 3dB) less treble as well. The time I used the 770's the most I used to mostly listen to metal and classic rock, with some 80's disco in the mix.

But as always with audio products, try to find a store where you can take a listen yourself, it's is extremely much about personal preference in comfort and sound signature after all. All of the options will surely deliver in the quality™ department. Let me know if you have any questions, I work with audio and don't like people falling for the excessive amount of snake oil that surrounds audio and "hifi" products.

[azure trellis]

I have Bose QC45s. They’re way over your budget but they’re great quality, that’s the only good quality headphones I have

They also have detachable cables which are good

[reef basin]

Your a legend, thankyou so kindly i really appreciate your time & advice

Bose ..

So much choice

budget is important for me right now, so looking for the best bang for the buck - compromise between price & quality ..

They say the austrian audio lacks a little bass compared to other brands (that tend to sweeten their bass) but probably more like how the artists intended and is better separated and amazing sound mid & highs
“ comparable to $300 headphones (comment from the a producer who made a lot of indie rock hits 2000s era) ..
but the bass is there “
It’s easier to eq in a little bass than eq the mids and highs i find

£88 is a nice price .. they don’t look like the most comfortable but probably comfortable enough

going to read more about the beyerdynamics & akg k371

The DT 700 pro x look soooo comfortable though

[solar canopy]

@reef basin There are various versions of the 770's with different impedances and cable lengths, without getting too complicated, impedance affects mostly how loud you can get it on low powered devices like phones. Lower impedance means louder. I can get my 600 Ohm DT 880's loud enough for my phone so I have no clue how damn loud some people listen on regular basis, the 32 Ohm 770's I can get loud enough I'd have permanent hearing damage in no time.

[reef basin]

I don’t listen to music loud

In the day time they will be plugged into my iphone 13 pro & at night my laptop

DT 770 are tempting too .. eq down the treble

You could make a youtube video? Could make a little money from your expertise ..

[solar canopy]

If your budget allows it and it fits your needs I'd definitely go with these since they are (allegedly) improvement upon the 770's. Not that it's a bad thing, but the 770's design dates back to 1981. From photos the 700 PRO X seems like extremely similar fit to the older beyerdynamic models, which to me is fantastic in comfort and easily usable through the whole day. Also everyone I've recommended beyerdynamic headphones have been very pleased with the comfort.

A quick look at the price shows they are bit more expensive at some stores than £205, but a pro tip if you're shopping for music/audio related gear, check the price at Thomann, if it's cheaper than your local store (usually is) just mention it and they usually match the price (at least here in finland).

[reef basin]

Cool! Yeah they look good.. i wanna watch more reviews on their sound as well ..

Good Headphones are so important ..

[solar canopy]

I'm sure they are great, but I still highly recommend trying them somewhere if you can, good fit is really important with headphones to me. More important than the sound signature even, since bit of EQ can fix most of those issues, but you can't really alter the comfort.

Also agree with good headphones being important. Good speakers are fantastic and all but don't really help when you're on the move or have to be quiet.

[reef basin]

Can iphone 13 pro drive the 770 pro 250ohm ?

[solar canopy]

If my 7 year old cheap lenovo phone can drive 600 Ohm I'd say yes

[pallid spindle]

the 770s are amazing

for me they get just a tad bit uncomfortable if i'm producing and/or mixing for long periods of time

i've abused my pair of 770s playing the loudest most violent sounds through them and somehow they haven't blown (knock on wood)

[reef basin]

I think i’m just going to splash out on the DT 700 pro x headphones ..

Lots of positive reviews

[solar canopy]

Surely going to be a great choice, let me know how you like them if you end up buying them

[reef basin]

There’s a shop near me sells them i could pick them up tomorrow

[solar canopy]

Ooh nice, surely you can arrange them to let you try them first? Though I'd guess you can also return them if you don't like them for some reason.

[reef basin]

Yeah ..

I’m sure i’d love them anyway

They look so comfortable

[solar canopy]

Beyers do be comfy, what's your current pair of headphones?

[reef basin]

Sound quality obvs good as well

Sennheiser momentum 2

[solar canopy]

Those are not bad either, but they are certainly more focused on consumer use than studio accuracy, latter to which I'm more accustomed at this point.

[reef basin]

What’s the difference between consumer focused vs studio ?

[solar canopy]

Sauna time, I'll get back to you in a bit

[pallid spindle]

basically consumer focused headphones "color" the sound and enhance it so that the listening experience is more enjoyable whereas studio headphones just produce the sound as it is

[reef basin]

any idea what headphones choerry & yves are wearing ?

[winged fulcrum]

Apple headphones

Apple AirPods to be precise

They are good but not enough for the price

[reef basin]

Ahhh , thankyou!

[winged fulcrum]

[reef basin]

https://youtu.be/GbpD52BiUIw

when he switches from the $550 neauman headphones to the $49 audio technicas really interesting at 46 mins

[azure trellis]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cro9BI8A5qP/?igshid=ZmI3MzJjNWI=

Ghibli inspired improv

Really cool sound on the old piano. Feels a lot more raw than my other pianos

[solar canopy]

What paulo said is pretty much the conclusion, I still want to dive bit more into it.

Lets take you to somewhere familiar that is film/photography, and specifically color. You can think sound and frequencies as a spectrum similar to color. Monitors are a great example, so lets take displays with 8-bit and 10-bit panels as an example. While the 8-bit panels might be fine for consumer use, you'd ideally want higher bit depth panels for content creation because it can actually show all the colors you're editing. And if the content you're consuming is originally 10-bit, you can never appreciate the full spectrum of colors with 8-bit no matter how much dithering you throw at it.

Sound is a bit similar to this, but maybe a bit more complicated.

So consumer headphones tend be more "relaxed" in accuracy of the frequency response, which means you might miss some subtle details in specific frequencies. This might actually be a good thing if you're listening a bad mix because some of the bad decisions get masked by the inaccuracy, and is also completely intentional.

To clarify what I mean with "missing details", lets say you have a pair of not so great headphones. What might happen if there is a lot happening for example in the 100-300 Hz range, the frequencies can kinda blend together, so you can't separate all the details what's happening in that range. So while the information, ala the frequencies are all there in the mix, you just can't hear them due the headphones being inaccurate.

(Continuing because character limits again)

And then studio focused headphones, they (should) strive for accuracy and neutral frequency response curve, because you want to hear every detail when you're creating. What this accuracy in studio headphones might also lead to if you're listening to a bad mix is, it gets amplified by the headphones since you'd be able to hear the mistakes or bad decisions better, which could make some mixes sound harsh.

Studio headphones while much more accurate, are still usually nowhere near a flat frequency response either, even if the internet often claims otherwise. For example the 770's frequency response curve shows around 13dB variance from neutral, and 880's a whopping 20dB. When 6dB is double the sound pressure (e.g. 50dB to 56dB is double, so is 100dB to 106dB), this is indeed quite massive variance in the eq curve. It's still fine, I just wouldn't call that exactly flat. It's usually intentional to highlight specific frequencies, like the treble on the 770's.

So while for consumer headphones the inaccuracies are fine and can even help masking some bad mixing decisions making the overall listening experience more enjoyable, you will never be able to get the full picture with them from a good mix.

[reef basin]

Woahh!! Thanks so much!!

This actually makes so much sense

Thankyou!

On my way to the shop now

Im in guitar heaven

Omg so many gorgeous guitars here

Wow this shop goes on and on

more rooms than this woah

[reef basin]

Fave

[winged fulcrum]

Great color

[reef basin]

Oh they are nice

much nicer than my old ones

clear across all frequencies

good space

Will only get better as they drive in

Do you guys reccomend any EQ apps for iphone ?

[drowsy ore]

omg guitar omg

rn im thinking

whethers it worth to

buy a new guitar

or

mod my currently guitar...

i have a triple S fender strat special 2010 but i want a hss strat....

new strat would be expensive as heck though

[drowsy ore]

this is a really good explaination haha

theres also sound staging, which is like the stereo imaging of the sound like try to image a 3d image of the music your listening to and trying to decern the positions of different instruments

from my experiences at least studio headphones tend to have better sound staging for mixing purpose s

[solar canopy]

Aye there's lot more to it but I tried to keep it relatively simple while focusing on the main difference. Sound staging is huge thing and why I prefer open-back headphones but not necessarily tied to studio focused headphones, it's more of a open vs closed-back thing in general.

[drowsy ore]

yeap yeap

but would be good to know in a quality of headphones kinda deal

in a very simplistic sense ofc

[solar canopy]

Sure, but when travelling was mentioned as a requirement then closed-back is really the only option.

[drowsy ore]

ah my bad didnt see that part

then yea closed back is really the only option in that case

DT770 is a fanastic recommendation

i would agree with that

amazing pair of headphones esp for its price

use it for my soundboard for solo monitoring

[solar canopy]

Also I can give out guitar advice if you need to know anything. I'm currently trying to figure out what I want from my custom guitar, but it's gonna cost around 4000€ so I need everything to be perfect. I just stumbled an interesting issue of needing to switch pickups on the fly at the same time while operating the tremolo bar and doing a pinch harmonic, which on the default strat location is not ideal.

[drowsy ore]

oo that would be great

so what im considering is i either

redo the whole electronics of my current strat

its pretty old electronics abit jank now

would be nice to rewire and change a few of the rusted electronics

[solar canopy]

You had american special strat?

[drowsy ore]

while i do that i can do a pickup swap as well

yeap i have it

its right beside me rn

HAHA

either that or i just

save and get a full on new guitar

[solar canopy]

If you didn't live across the planet I would try to sell you my strat

[drowsy ore]

sadge

[solar canopy]

It's a really good strat from many I've tested, but it's eventually gonna be replaced with a custom parts strat too

[drowsy ore]

yeap love it really do

its my first ever electric guitar

bought it second hand for a pretty good price

had to work on it myself abit to get it back up to full playing condition but wasnt too much of a hassle

[solar canopy]

Oh yeah, all of mine are second hand too, except the first one that my parents bought me when I was starting out, and the first actually good one that my grandma and dad bought as a birthday present

This is my american standard strat

[solar canopy]

Does this include changing pickups too?

[drowsy ore]

yeap if i am gonna redo the electronics

might as well

but gonna route the body for a hum

so yea tough choice atm

probs gotta hand that to someone else to do it

[drowsy ore]

0ooooo maple fretboard

i love strats man

black star amp too

i dont have a amp HAHA i run my guitar digitally through plugins

neural dsp & bias amp

just got no space here for an amp more realistic to use a plugin and get it through my mons \

[solar canopy]

Right. If you want easy life, fender, seymour duncan and many others sell entire pickguards with all the electronics installed so you only have to solder the ground to the tremolo claw thing and you're done

[drowsy ore]

ah yeappp

[solar canopy]

Meaning this thing

[drowsy ore]

the thing is i do wanna keep my top 2 single coils and replace the bottom one

was looking at asatos hum from suhr '

though defo the more difficult option with

more soldering work

[solar canopy]

Soldering is really not hard either unless you have shaky hands, and with strats is especially easy since all the electronics are on the pickguard, much easier to operate than small cavity at the back of the guitar

HSS is actually my go to pickup config too and what I'm planning on the custom guitar

[solar canopy]

Only the cab is Blackstar (4x12 on an apartment building), the amp is Hughes & Kettner but I only use it as a power amp for my helix these days. 90% of the time I'm playing with headphones and helix but sometimes I just need to hear a real cab, there is no replacement for that.

[drowsy ore]

solderings fine for me more of more extra work and time HAHAHHA

still gotta get the routing done by someone to fit the hum if i were to do it

[drowsy ore]

oooo

what kinda tone do you like ?

i have 2 main ones i used

a cleaner compressed tight sound tone

kinda funkish

and a more overdriven tone i have for rock and such

have a few other tones for other things but i use those 2 the most \

yeah really is no replacement for a real amp and cab

but its getting close now

real close

[drowsy ore]

oo have you decided on the pickups your gonna use and electronic config ?

[solar canopy]

Mainly I use the Friedman BE-100 model from the helix, usually pretty overdriven and some extra boost for leads. And for cleans I run the clean channel of the BE-100 super clean with chorus, delay and two reverbs, unless I want funky time then I just turn the effects off. I could explore some fender or vox amps for the cleans but I just can't bother. Also if you like overdrive and can try the real BE-100 at a shop I highly recommend it. It's the best amp I've heard live, but at the end makes you feel bad you didn't bring 5000€ with you.

[drowsy ore]

HAHA okay i'll keep it in mind

might give it a try

[solar canopy]

For recording yeah I don't care enough to mic up the cab, it's good enough for that already, especially when there's drums, bass and 15 synths running at the same time. What I meant is the feeling with the amp in the room and just playing.

[drowsy ore]

yeap yeap ofc ofc

feel is something digital will probably never be able to matc h

[solar canopy]

It's not even about it being digital for me, it's good enough, but rather the cab itself, monitors nor headphones can't replace the feeling you get from a cab. It's also what I always hate when people on youtube compare digital modelers to amps, it's always the modeler through monitors vs amp through a cab of course it isn't gonna match the feeling. Very few people I've seen run the modeler through power amp and a real cab, that way you're actually comparing the amp vs amp models only, the usual way you're also comparing monitors vs cab.

[drowsy ore]

ahh that makes senses yeap

[solar canopy]

I'm currently thinking just the classic config Ibanez uses in their J.Customs a lot, which is tone zone, true velvet and air norton (but single coil size). I think I'm gonna buy this config on my own Ibanez to try it out first tho, bare knuckle pickups is also compelling option, and I will need to give the shops own pickups a try too. My current bridge pickup on the Ibanez is the Seymour Duncan Custom 5 which is treble heavy and I really like it, but many players I like use something more mid focused so I wanna try it too, and then juggle the options from there. For electronics I'm gonna trust the shop, if I'm paying them 4000€ it better be good.

[reef basin]

niiiiiiice

btw headphones are starting to sound much better after a few hours play ..
bass is better, mids and highs less lively but still good clarity ..

drivers are loosening up

[solar canopy]

I also can't let myself to edit old preset settings so I almost always make a new one if I adjust something, because my brain thinks what if the old one was better? So I have over 400 of basically the same preset with very minor variations. Main variations are if I'm playing my humbuckers or single coils, or the 7-string which needs completely different settings since it's on drop G. Here's my current rhythm settings on the amp and overdrive models. Helix native can be had pretty cheap on some sale days too.

[reef basin]

I have dimarzio humbucker pickups along with stock yamaha ones on my yamaha sbg1200 .. the harmonics on them are so good & fat without being too fat

[solar canopy]

The dyn after IR (impulse response) is just very light compressor

[drowsy ore]

Ooo sounds good

What fret board your gonna go with?

[drowsy ore]

Ahhhh yea I get what you mean on the adjustment tthing

[solar canopy]

This is also a lot of your ear just adjusting to the new sound, glad you like them. Seems like you had a good time at the shop too, lots of shiny guitars.

[reef basin]

Yeah haha

The blue gretsch is so gorgeous

By the way thanks so much for all your advice

[solar canopy]

If they have it available I will go with dark rosewood, preferably it would some stripes to give it character. If not then ebony, but I usually don't like ebony because it's too dark. Maple would be fine too otherwise but it feels sad because you don't need to maintain and oil the fretboards and I really like that part.

I'm also kinda torn between dark purple with gold hardware and frets, or bright blue with chrome hardware and stainless steel frets. Not sure if I wanna go with quilted or flame maple top either. Also maybe the biggest thing holding me back is thinking of something cool for the inlay design. I'm thinking something space themed because of the color options and someway sneaking something loona/orbit related into it.

[drowsy ore]

Ebony fretboard r super nice

My acoustic uses an ebony fretboard

Inlay designs ooo thats gonna be tough

[reef basin]

by the way, is it just me or is normal youtube worse than youtubemusic ? i notice a difference in quality .. youtubemusic much better

[solar canopy]

Yeah ebony feels nice, it's just not the look I'm going for in this build. I have several guitars with various themes in my mind, the next one (after the space super strat) is gonna be a jungle themed regular strat from Warmoth parts, their config tool got really close to what I wanted to see. Needs to have very quilted maple top with their jungle burst dye, very heavily figured roasted maple neck like damn tiger stripes, and scalloped fretboard with gold gotoh hardware and frets.

[solar canopy]

I have no clue, I never use youtube music. But I wouldn't think so since most content is the same as in youtube but just in different viewing format. Not sure if they upload something specifically to youtube music only or if they for some reason have higher bitrate there tho.

[reef basin]

i love telecasters with blonde necks ..

[reef basin]

it's def louder .. the quality seems .. better .. somehow .. though mind you.. i'm not watching it in video mode but music mode .. so i guess more bandwidth is being used for better audio ?

[solar canopy]

Some article from 2022 says the stream quality on youtube music caps at 256kbps, so that would suggest no. Also humans always associate louder with better. Often used trick in the studio if client spits out some nonsense jargon asking to "make it better" is press a few buttons that do nothing and raise the volume by few dB and voila, "this is much better!".

[reef basin]

[solar canopy]

@drowsy ore When I was looking for electronics I found this just released, seems pretty wild and it's way too expensive imo at $150, but still very cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk7UvZvalOc

[vast tapir]

tbh im looking for a good guitar for jazz

any recommendation ?

[reef basin]

Jazz sounds good on my solid state guitar using the neck (dimarzio) pickup only through my vox tube amp ..

depends on the sound you like most

[vast tapir]

hmm

[reef basin]

Gretsch might be a good idea

Best just to head to a music store with as good selection as possible and play around

[vast tapir]

yea im going to one next one with one of my best friends

[reef basin]

maybe a telecaster with open cut f hole could be really nice

[solar canopy]

I can give some but I need a budget fist, gonna vary greatly between budgets if it's $300 or $5000

[reef basin]

For jazz , a tube amp is ideal .. a peavey classic or vox ..

[vast tapir]

around 1000$ to 1500$

[reef basin]

most types of guitar have a budget for $300 - $2000

[vast tapir]

leaning more towards 1000$ tho

[solar canopy]

So you looking for a traditional jazz style guitar I assume? Asking since nothing is stopping you for playing jazz on an ibanez xiphos for example.

[vast tapir]

yep

but not something that is too pricy lol

[drowsy ore]

Oo sounds good

[drowsy ore]

Alright I'll take a look later

[solar canopy]

I can't give any specific model and say this, because it's all about personal taste and the guitars vary greatly in shape and size (and I'm not all that proficient on jazz guitars, but I know something). But I can give some pointers and general advice.

Some type of Gretsch seems like an obvious option since they are so plentiful and I recommend reading/watching about differences between center block and hollow body designs. Ibanez AS/AF/AG/AM series are also great guitars from what I've played. If your shop has Larry Carlton/Sire guitars, I recommend checking them out, people rate them highly for their price that is around the $500-600 range, no shop here has them so I haven't tried one. But you don't have to go so old school, they are pretty chonky guitars. Something more contemporary like PRS SE hollow bodies could work well. Or hollow body teles, that kitzen also suggested. And do try all the weird brands you've never heard about before if your shop has some, you never know if you strike gold.

Now more to my testing philosophy. What I like to do is think think about all the details that are going to matter to me beforehand, comparing to what I currently have. Do you like the current fretboard radius? How about fret height? Bridge type and position? Do you think you'd like a v-shaped neck? Little things like that, keep them in mind. For me this helps immensely when looking for new guitars. Now I know what I like pretty much from the specs alone having done this for years. If you go to a shop and just try some random tele and strat without knowing the specs and walk out without a new guitar, you also walk out without having learned really anything about what you like and don't like. Don't take this wrong, I'm not saying the latter option is wrong or bad, just telling how I do things. It's perfectly fine to just go out and try guitars.

(part two because character limits)

And most important of all, is the feel. Don't think what your idols play, or what specific pickups it has, what woods it uses, it's about finding what you like. And pickups are easy to change. What isn't, is the overall feel of the guitar. So if you hit that magic moment with any guitar where it feels just right in every way, don't let it slip away. The next 30 of the same model in the warehouse might not strike that magic feeling to you. Somebody might buy it the next day if you didn't. You can try to ask if they can reserve the guitar for you to have few moments to think about it. If you're striken with immense feeling of regret not walking out with that guitar, go buy it asap.

I also highly recommend checking out your local used market after trying out and knowing better what you like. Guitars don't really go bad unless you use them as a hammer or something as dumb. Warranty doesn't really matter on used guitars, if it has survived long enough for it to end, it probably is fine for the rest of your life as well. But there might be some little details like neck warping that if not yet critical, could be extremely hard spot without a trained eye. It's a double edged sword. You can get amazing guitars that used to be $2000 new at $500 because it has slight scratches to it, or you can stumble upon the bad apples. Here in finland the sellers are usually honest though. Might be partly because the market is so tiny, if someone intentionally sells junk the word spreads very fast within the community.

[winged fulcrum]

new sound design

maybe a new start in my music production

I enjoy so much sound designing even

it's not that good, the process is fun

[vast tapir]

Alright

[fringe laurel]

Wow I missed a whole headphone chat

[azure trellis]

The bgm uses a sample that was also used in a Yukika song lol

Forgot which one tho

https://youtu.be/MqwNo43p21Y

4:00

[azure trellis]

https://youtu.be/CCODvb5wGLc

SM really loving this chord progression in the past couple days

They also used it in Aespa’s welcome to my world and a variation in im unhappy iirc

It’s like a superhero chord progression

I’m too lazy to check but isn’t this the same chord progression as the avengers theme?

[azure trellis]

Some vocals. Got so much frickin mucus cause of pollen season lol

[vast tapir]

sounds good

[azure trellis]

Thanks 🙏

[azure trellis]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cr6GRCjA1bH/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Andalusian cadence is pretty epic

[atomic tangle]

https://youtu.be/sfAvGIhz62Y Long time no see, i wanted to share this with y'all

Billlie has some tasty chords for days

[azure trellis]

lmao the credit company Citi has a 5 second ad that uses the flute sample from piri

[azure trellis]

https://youtu.be/qb5GhVnI5Ww

Same people

They’re from Eastman

Absolutely insane musicians

[atomic tangle]

Yea yea have to check that

They played a snippet in the Billlie video

I've been putting on some friends on some quality Billlie bsides

To me, maybe next to Stayc, the groups with best deep cuts

[azure trellis]

For me that’s red velvet

But yeah I’ve been putting people on a shit ton of billlie lately

Btw probably not the right place to talk about it, but I’m pretty sure haram, suhyeon and the rest of Billlie have gotten better singing technique since their last comebacks

They were absolutely demolishing love me like this

[atomic tangle]

Fr fr they eat vocals for breakfast

Especially Haram

[atomic tangle]

Oh for sure, i mean lately

I like more some of their stuff instead of the last bsides RV has been putting out

[azure trellis]

For 4th gen girl groups they’re definitely the top in terms of quality

[atomic tangle]

Indeed

I feel TripleS wanna have a similar style of production, but their stuff seems too clutered to me

And mushy

Idk i think is a mixing stuff

[azure trellis]

Yeah, but aren’t most the things they release unfinished?

Or something like that

Actually na I take that back

Generation definitely sounded a bit off

But I still love it lol

Rising sounded pretty good to me tho

[atomic tangle]

Same it sticks

That's why is more a production thing rather than writing

Cus songs are catchy as hell

[azure trellis]

Most of them use the just the two of us chord progression lol

[atomic tangle]

Oh yea

[azure trellis]

Got like 8 songs of theirs in my playlist

[atomic tangle]

Jaden loves them chords

Those descending chords on Curiosity are heavenly

[azure trellis]

Except for their main songs, I’ve only listened to most of them once, but now imma check out curiosity 👍🏻

[atomic tangle]

Curiosity by Loona i mean lol

https://youtu.be/VHlbwAOo7DQ?t=51 this here

[azure trellis]

Ah

Yeah that’s a bop

My favorite part about loona’s music is definitely their synths man

Like the intro of girl front is too damn good

Oh my god I found a random ass Thai group that uses the progression lmao

I don’t even know how it got recommended to me

https://youtu.be/LN2xrwvuuFo

Their music is pretty good too

Btw speaking about production, surprisingly i found the best mixing that JYP has done in the past couple years was actually for boy story

https://youtu.be/SbSSWKa1u9w

[azure trellis]

Epex’s latest comeback samples rhapsody in blue

Well, only for the intro and doesn’t use it for the rest, but still

Also has a sick ass guitar solo during the last chorus

I think it’s called sun shower?

lmao hymn to love also uses rhapsody in blue

And that one was from 6 months ago

[azure trellis]

I’m thinking about doing a piano cover of the first verse/chorus of After like

I’ll write it down on sheets if anyone pushes me to actually commit

Idea for first verse

Idea for left hand during prechorus

It’s only the left hand because I can’t fucking play the melody at the same time

This thing

[azure trellis]

Welp

Prechorus done

Any recommendations appreciated

My god

I’ve already made about 5 edits since I posted that 8 minutes ago

[vast tapir]

Pretty good! Great job :))

[azure trellis]

Does anyone here have synesthesia?

I’m kinda curious about whether you actually see the colors in your vision or you just associate sounds with colors in your head

[winged fulcrum]

wdym ?

[azure trellis]

My question is. Do you actually see colors? Or does the colors just like manifest in your thoughts?

[winged fulcrum]

it does happen to me sometimes but with specific things

https://open.spotify.com/track/3nHTfVfZl2hemXBytthsXT?si=434f8715961e48ad

like with this one I see white fog lol

[granite trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UjPiuKJ9XM

[solar canopy]

Perfectly accurate. I remember when I religiously followed guitar tabs and didn't know they were written by random people online, some interesting chords there for sure.

[atomic tangle]

Epic

I have a couple more for you, now i have to remember which ones were lmao

[reef basin]

Just some feedback on the byerdynamic DT 700 pro x headphones after burning them in ..

holy moly .. these are balanced

Gorgeous across the range

The stage presence is not too narrow not too wide , medium but i like it this way

Question:

Is it worth buying a dac ?

also on the byerdynamics after burning them in - the high mids and upper freq have calmed down and the bass is punchier and clearer

I’m kind of thinking of buying cheaper headphones for walking around cause i think i want to keep these in good condition and they don’t have ANC . So im getting a lot of car rumbles - can’t wait for electric cars to be more normal

[reef basin]

https://youtu.be/EFgpAzae1Xg

https://youtu.be/a3moaaOpYZM

[solar canopy]

I have O2+ODAC combo I bought back in the day when I was young and read too much forums. Can't tell any difference vs plugging straight into pc or phone. Modern devices are usually good enough to drive anything. I wouldn't bother with one these days.

But in the case you feel you absolutely need one, I recommend the O2+ODAC combo. It was designed by a guy that got sick of manufacturers charging $2000 for their snake oil DAC's. He made his own design and released it openly to the public to make their own, it's basically as good as you can get and without the snake oil. Mayflower Electronics is who made mine, seems like they still make them, they go around $250 for the DAC and amp combo, or $120 for just the DAC. There were other manufacturers back in the day but not sure about these days who still makes them.

[reef basin]

Ahh thankyou for your valueable input i appreciate it !! That is pretty much what the guy in the video i last posted was saying it’s quite funny to watch ☺️

[solar canopy]

Glad that people these days are spreading some honest information instead of snake oil. People can get really defensive about their purchasing decisions when they drop $500 on an DAC but can't actually hear any difference, besides the placebo. Always happy to help.

[azure trellis]

https://youtu.be/D3gekHfVrwE

Found a really funny thing for y’all jazz folks

Listen to the brass during the chorus

[serene star]

is it a sussy melody?

[azure trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/capoo-bugcat-cute-love-lick-gif-26565799

[azure trellis]

https://youtu.be/hQJ82DZCd8E

0:49

I’m not into music production much, but I absolutely adore karina’s part here

Correct me if I’m wrong, but in order to achieve that effect, they layered it with the original pitched down an octave and added a limiter

Crunchy

Can’t tell about the limiter part but there is definitely a bit of rasp near the end of her line

[fringe laurel]

is there like a website

Where I can just type in chords and it'll play it?

[fringe laurel]

I am making ChatGPT come up with chords and it just gave me a string of charactres that, while I understand, I can't play it on an actual keyboard

My expertise is just not there yet

[azure trellis]

Just plug it into GarageBand of something

Or bandlab

[fringe laurel]

Not iOS

[azure trellis]

Bandlab

[fringe laurel]

Where do I add my string of charactres in Bandlab?

[azure trellis]

No clue

Is there a midi keyboard feature?

I’ve never used bandlab lol

[azure trellis]

See if you can open a midi keyboard inside bandlab

[fringe laurel]

Uhh

not finding it yet

[azure trellis]

Add a piano track

https://help.bandlab.com/hc/en-us/articles/900000187966-How-do-I-map-MIDI-on-BandLab-

Since I’ve never used band app before, im not sure if you can just click to map chords

All I heard is it’s basically a less stupid GarageBand

[fringe laurel]

Oh

This is not what I meant at all

• i don't have midi devices to plug

[azure trellis]

Can’t you just click in notes?

[fringe laurel]

Yes, but that's not what I meant

[azure trellis]

Or do you not know how to read chords 💀

[fringe laurel]

That might be correct

Ok I know what they are

I just can't play them

[azure trellis]

https://www.musictheory.net/lessons/40

Have fun

[fringe laurel]

LMAO

I mean I did say in the very beginning I can't play them, so I just wanted to know how it sounds

[azure trellis]

Generally when they just have the letter, that means it’s a major chord

[fringe laurel]

That I get

When it starts with add and aug that's where I got buzzy

[azure trellis]

When it says add, you put in that note. A 9th can also be called a 2nd, an 11th can be called a 4th

Those could also be called sus chords

really funny stuff

[fringe laurel]

....owo

[azure trellis]

Wait just send me a screenshot of one of the chord progressions

I can help explain the funny shit

[fringe laurel]

Nono I don't want to trouble you

[azure trellis]

Na it’s fine, it doesn’t really take much time

[fringe laurel]

I just need a machine that can do "hey play me a Cmaj7"

That's it

[azure trellis]

Hm, that wouldn’t really help with voice leading

[fringe laurel]

Not my intention at all

I just want to know how it sounds

That's the end goal, no further

[azure trellis]

Eb Gb Ab Db

Ab C Eb Gb A

This is really slow

@fringe laurel check if this works lol https://www.onemotion.com/chord-player/

[fringe laurel]

Oh it works

[azure trellis]

First google search lol

[fringe laurel]

I was in mobile

[azure trellis]

I’m also on mobile

[fringe laurel]

I did found this earlier but the option of adding text wasn't there

[azure trellis]

Hmm

[fringe laurel]

or I blind

probably that

[azure trellis]

Dw I’m also very blind a lot of times

[atomic tangle]

Is this ai suggested?

[fringe laurel]

Yes

Bard

[atomic tangle]

The death of music

Jk jk

[fringe laurel]

I mean it sounded mid

[atomic tangle]

There are already some other chord solutions out there

[fringe laurel]

But it's still insane we got something recognizable from it

[atomic tangle]

Not ai

So is just another tool

[fringe laurel]

True

But with the nature of it being AI

[atomic tangle]

I personally use Ripchord

[fringe laurel]

It can generate something that hasn't been done before

[atomic tangle]

Hmmm idk about that

[fringe laurel]

Out of a million models it has been trained

[atomic tangle]

Every chord change has been used

[fringe laurel]

I said can, I didn't say will

[atomic tangle]

Just take a look at our friend Hestia's "just the two of us" playlist lol

[fringe laurel]

Yeah I am fully aware of that LOL

[atomic tangle]

I had a couple songs to add but i kinda forgot which ones lmao

[fringe laurel]

My game with it is just

"Generate until you got something that sounds good"

That's what I've been doing

[atomic tangle]

Lol is aight

But the progressions make sense? or are a mess?

[fringe laurel]

The couple 2 that I tried sounds monotonous

Like it sounded dead

[atomic tangle]

Cus is ai 🤖

[fringe laurel]

Exactly, it's AI

You can always try again

Mid progression?

Reset

Repeat

Until you found gold

[atomic tangle]

What type of progression are you looking for?

[fringe laurel]

Right now?

iunno I just threw random words to the AI

[atomic tangle]

Lol

[fringe laurel]

Like

[atomic tangle]

So just experimenting

Aight

[atomic tangle]

The most simple progression

[fringe laurel]

it is

[atomic tangle]

Try refering to a deteminate artist or style

[fringe laurel]

imma rinse this again

[atomic tangle]

Or if you want "heavenly" vibes maybe try ask em chord progressions based on the lydian scale

Which supposedly has that characteristic

[atomic tangle]

Oh so it gave you the scale degrees not the chords

[fringe laurel]

I didn't specify the key

Unless you specify it, it will give it

[atomic tangle]

Right

[fringe laurel]

Like

Let's get wacky with it

oh

it sounds bad

[atomic tangle]

LMAO

Starting on a diminished isn't the way at all

[fringe laurel]

WELL THAT'S AI FOR YA AIN'T IT

Just gonna wing it, they say

HAHAHAH

Ok bad sounds aside

This experimenting is fun

[atomic tangle]

LMAO

Is like is really close to hit the right note that first and fourth chord

[fringe laurel]

Owo

OWO

Ok hold on

this is listenable

Not where I started, but this is where I landed

[atomic tangle]

Yup

Decent and makes sense

I'd just end the progression with the the third and fourth chords

Like switching those up

[fringe laurel]

WAIT I TRANSPOSED IT TO D#MAJ AND IT SOUNDS BETTER

[atomic tangle]

Progressions sounds better on smth other than C

Also D# or i would say Eb is a pretty RnBish key which fits with those chords

[fringe laurel]

O.O

Again

Not where I started, but that's where I landed

[azure trellis]

That’s just the fly me to the moon/ Handel / shit ton of other song chord progression

It’s in afterlike ffs

It’s not that impressive that it figured out a chord progression that we’ve been using for literal hundreds of years

It’s relatively simple too

It’s just a bunch of 251s linked together

[azure trellis]

Now can someone familiar with production answer my question?

I didn’t really ask a question, but I’m more looking for confirmation

[mild quest]

https://youtu.be/USHe4tVv_ws

so like this my yt channel (my own music channel) i mostly focusing on moombahtoon type beat but some times i make house music/arabic beats/ calcutta beats or remade the viral songs

i only got 6 videos in which 2 moombahtoon/1house/1 arabic/1calcutta/1viral remix

just need feedback that's all

[winged fulcrum]

Will check

[serene star]

This mashup I made 2 years ago. Still fascinating how this still works well...

YooA - bon voyage
Coldplay ft. Avicii - A Sky Full of Stars (instrumental)

[azure trellis]

I won some AirPods through a raffle and I am super excited because I’ve been wanting a pair of AirPods for a couple years at this point

However I’ve kinda been spoiled by my Bose headphones because ngl im kinda disappointed in the AirPods’s sound quality

But these are a lot less bulky and can be hidden a lot easier 👍🏻

Wondering if I can wear these in a warehouse 🤔

[atomic tangle]

[azure trellis]

Oh god I’m the opposite, I don’t like fiddling around with tech much so I just learn music theory and smash things out on the piano

It’s gotten to the point I can do improv blindfolded

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CshBA-fgzWf/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[atomic tangle]

Yoooo fire

You frickin goat 👏

I'm... idk i have my decent amount of theory to get around some chords and melodies, my keys skill suck ass tho

Then i like to see what tech has to offer, lately i've been gettin into some minor sound design, trying to come up with my own presets, and there is where wildin with knobs and stuff can achieve surprising results

[serene star]

Sonic Colors - Planet Wisp Act 3
NewJeans - Zero

[solar canopy]

@atomic tangle I saw you were asking about hearing differences between lossless and lossy formats in orbit chat, I felt the need to answer this but I was late so I'll rather do it here so it doesn't get buried as fast as this might be interesting for people to try. There is a clear difference between mp3 and lossless technically, but for me it's highly dependent on the listening setup if I can hear it or not. With good headphones? I think I can hear it (I haven't actually done blindfolded A/B test). In a car? No chance.

A simple way to hear the difference you can try is by converting a lossless file to mp3, open up a DAW and invert the phase for one of the files and play both at the same time. That way what you hear is what is missing from the mp3 compared to to the lossless file. If you convert files from lossless yourself I recommend ogg/vorbis instead of mp3, it's nearly indistinguishable from lossless at maximum quality.

[atomic tangle]

Woah interesting

At the end of the day, people listen music in mid/shitty listening setups tho

[azure trellis]

Yeah, ain’t no way you hear anything in those 5 buck headphones you found on the street or on a phone speaker

[serene star]

here irfan
https://twitter.com/andresagitari14/status/1661744130547130371?s=20

Andre Ilham S.  (@andresagitari14)

Charismatic (Bad Boy ver.) 👀
https://t.co/lw9rDmfFlO

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Twitter · May 25, 2023, 2:40 PM

[fringe laurel]

WAIT

[fringe laurel]

YOOOOOOO

[azure trellis]

Piano

[serene star]

Tried to mashup Fifty Fifty's Tell Me with Mariya Takeuchi's Miracle Love

@olive mountain and Nicki would love this one lol

[azure trellis]

Realized I’ve been analyzing the just the two of us chord progression wrong this entire time lol

I was analyzing it in Ab major when it is actually in F minor lmao

So in Ab major, it’s IVmaj7 V7/vi vi ii7/IV V7/IV

But in F minor it actually makes more sense cause the tonic is included

VImaj7 V7 i ii7/VI V7/VI

But I guess you could just call the key Db Lydian lmao

[olive mountain]

I like it

[serene star]

may plan to add Brave Girls' We Ride to the mashup as well

[fringe laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P426X6VeZjs

Nice cover, first of all

But

Is it me or either the song or Nakyoung's voice slightly out of tune?

[azure trellis]

I was hearing it at first too, but she’s in tune

What I think it is, is her being nasal in the first line, and when she sings the same notes, but not as nasal for the second sentence, it’s not as “bright” making it seem flatter

It doesn’t help that when she first comes in, it’s only a bass drum

Try listening to a C5 on a tuner and you’ll clearly hear that she’s in tune

[fringe laurel]

So the song is not

honestly thought she was in A=432 and I was boutta flip but anyway

[azure trellis]

Well, she’s in tune with the song. There is a ton of auto tune so she is definitely in tune

I’ll listen to it a bit more to try seeing if either of us are trippin

The one really odd thing is the second time she says Boy’s a liar, the D really sounds flat for no reason

But it isn’t

Ah that’s really interesting

I think the reason this sounds slightly off is because the heavy auto tune bringing it to the actual pitch compared to the backing track being well tempered

That’s just a theory tho

It could be the track being in 432 tho…

Dunno

It’s literally 3:30 am

[fringe laurel]

Okay

Song is out of tune just very very slightly

[azure trellis]

Ngl im kinda vibing to it

I gotta try that out one day

Have the track slightly out of tune with the vocals

Make some wobbly stuff

[azure trellis]

This is an insanely talented group

https://youtu.be/_06FJfszXUc

Usually I don’t like these instrumental covers but Julliard musicians are just built different

I absolutely love the groove from the rhythm section

The cellist also does finger style

https://youtu.be/lRjI8Di7BQE

It seems like this is the cellist’s channel

[rich hatch]

i didnt make it but holyy this is so good https://on.soundcloud.com/rvpL5snmGchwJSga7

[azure trellis]

I literally came across a gold mind wtf

https://youtu.be/VQyS5UkKoZE

It’s literally just a channel full of Julliard musicians jamming the frick out

[azure trellis]

Ooh I like this

https://youtu.be/mAlAZtkHWi0

The deeper I go

The more I’m astounded

OH MY FUCKING GOD

https://youtu.be/v6oNAkaggig

I’m in love

With this channel

They have over 500 of these jams and they’re all this high quality

I’m so in love with Julliard wtf

istg one day imma visit their campus

[azure trellis]

I got something great

[solar canopy]

Sounds like a kalimba disguised as a piano

[azure trellis]

The interior is basically chimes. Really interesting stuff

I had to open it and wrap some wire around the highest Bb to tune it down about half a semitone

Let me see if I can find a picture online

https://youtu.be/NP3PXyXko2U

The anatomy is basically the same

Just a few hammers hitting chimes

[solar canopy]

Interesting, wasn't too far off then

[serene star]

fromis_9 - #menow (Jeongyeon Remix) (Mashup)

Sauces:

Acapella: fromis_9 - #menow
Instrumental: VAANCE & Deerock - Electric (feat. Robbie Rosen) (jeonghyeon Remix) [NCS Release]

this one is for @crisp hamlet

[pallid spindle]

got roland jv1080 and xv5080

wonderful sounds

roland cloud worth the money for sure

[fringe laurel]

Godddamn

You must already have a killer rack setup then

Or is this your first 2?

[pallid spindle]

i wish i had the physical synths

i just got the software versions

[fringe laurel]

Oh software

Kek

[azure trellis]

I want a fender Rhodes so bad😭😭

[atomic tangle]

Aye aye

I still have the XV cracked idk why

I use it very occasionally tho, nice vibe but very specific sounding

[atomic tangle]

Those are real relics indeed

I guess you are using some type of emulation meanwhile?

[azure trellis]

Yeah. My electric piano has something similar, but I crave the real analog synth instead of an emulation

[atomic tangle]

Oh for sure

But imo emulations are super good right now, if you want analog vibes just slap some type of tube saturation plugin, any type of wobble effect and there you have it

[atomic tangle]

Right electric pianos come with a bunch of stuff

Keys are aight, but synths on those kind of keyboards could be a bit lame lol

[azure trellis]

It’s mainly the feel of the instrument I want. I do have access to some emulators, but the feel of my electric is meh

If I had a hybrid piano like one of those Yamaha Nx pianos I’d love it

But then again, I’m not sure I’d like the feel of the actual synth so I’d want something I like lol

[atomic tangle]

What type you like?

Also let's clear: one thing are synth like Moog, Prophet, heck even vst synths like Serum, then we have keys: Rhodes, Wurlitzer, and their respective emulations

I know that keys emulation can be hit or miss regarding the action and the realistic playing feeling of it

Synth most of the time have velocity to change some parameter for example closed filter for light playing and opens when you hit hard

[azure trellis]

Keys. I’ve never tried any of the modular synths.

[atomic tangle]

Well modular is their own kind of beast

Synths are so varied, each company has their own flair

[tame anvil]

hellooo

irfan brought me here if i wanted to ask something about making music

i wanted to know how to get autotune in audacity?

[celest bough]

Looks like Audacity supports VST and audio unit plugins. I think Antares Autotune is available in both.

[tame anvil]

thank you! im still confused what you do on autotune tho lolol

[tame anvil]

aaa gsnap wont load

[azure trellis]

Cool lick I recorded

[vast tapir]

sounds cool indeed good job

@reef basin im buying a new bass

im going to try some in 3 days

https://tenor.com/view/guitar-gif-5851849

[reef basin]

Sweet!! I love the fender jazz ones

Actually .. also love the sound of rickenbacker basses

[azure trellis]

Considering the fact that car horns use electromagnets to make sound, changing the voltage the car horn receives should change the pitch of the horn

Hence, it is possible to make a car horn piano by connecting a keyboard which regulates the flow of electricity that gets through to the car horn

[fringe laurel]

Until it only has limited control on the pitch

Cause like, protection circuits and what not

[azure trellis]

You do realize. If I’m willing to make a pitched car horn. I’m willing to bypass safety features

[fringe laurel]

Only few horns do that actually

The standard automotive disk horn has a fixed pitch

[azure trellis]

Hmm, but if you add extra current to it, what happens?

[fringe laurel]

Blow

[azure trellis]

Yes, that’s what a horn does

[fringe laurel]

Cause it's a speaker

No as in

blow, poof

[azure trellis]

lol

[fringe laurel]

You're looking for this one

Now, this uses motors

So in theory, it's modulate-able

But again

Pretty limited

And I think the current required is not linear, it's logarithmic

[azure trellis]

So basically. If I want to go higher, I would have to put in a few kilowatts

Oh I thought of something

Add 16 different horns that correspond to a key on the piano installed in my dash

Instead of 1 horn

[fringe laurel]

hell of an electrical hazard

[azure trellis]

We get one for each pitch

[fringe laurel]

(not drawn to scale)

[azure trellis]

What, you don’t have a backup generator in your car?

[fringe laurel]

nah we're not talking power storage

We talking power draw

[azure trellis]

As you can tell

I’m not an electrician

[fringe laurel]

WELL

[azure trellis]

I’m sure I can figure this out.

Just need rubber gloves

[fringe laurel]

You can lmao

Just don't try this with ur own car

[azure trellis]

uwO

Oh don’t worry

I have some friends

soon to be former

[fringe laurel]

Car is....one of the assets you don't want it to fail at any time

[azure trellis]

yeah, but I guess it’s more plausible to have multiple different horns for different pitches, considering the power draw would not only blow out the horn

But also the car battery lol

[tame anvil]

very halfassed effort but i managed to have FabFilter and got this amazing Olivia Hye AI singing EPATBBW by LESSERAFIM

[serene star]

eve, psyche, and future [explicit]
sauces:

le sserafim - eve, psyche & bluebeard's wife
future - tony montana

[tame anvil]

omg this is amazingg, i was wondering if you have a clean acapella of epatbbw?

[serene star]

nope

i used the original and blended with the instrumental

not in term of blended

only in rap verse part

[drowsy ore]

@lyric wing

[lyric wing]

ellaur

[drowsy ore]

Elo

[lyric wing]

a

[atomic tangle]

@lyric wing I have a couple weird remixes

Grabbed some of the cyphers from XG

and made lil beats around it

[lyric wing]

canihear

[atomic tangle]

[lyric wing]

what'd you do with jurin 😭

[atomic tangle]

LMAO

Idk i changed their pitch just for funsies

[lyric wing]

my one problem is that my daw is ummmmmmmmmmmmmm

not very capable

mixing wise

[atomic tangle]

FL?

[lyric wing]

everything else is p good

[lyric wing]

[atomic tangle]

[lyric wing]

actually you dont need to know anyways

[atomic tangle]

Lol

Tbh daw is not the issue, in reality any daw is capable of anything

[lyric wing]

chrome music maker:

[atomic tangle]

LMAO

Genius daw

Is a thing

Yea i also met (online ofc) some people that make stuff in garage band

And other mobile daws

[lyric wing]

ah no garage band is good

mixing wise too

i myself have never used mobile daws

[atomic tangle]

Me neither

Oh wait

I've mess around one called Caustic

Is cool, just to play around

[lyric wing]

sounds uh

familiar

doesnt look too accessible

looks p old

how was it

[atomic tangle]

Yea yea

Well it has kinda of a big learning curve

A friend of mine use it to make demos, or just to get ideas out quickly

Mostly drums

Here a weird frankestain of a beat

Reggaeton isn't my strong suit but i gave it a shot

[lyric wing]

omg reggaeton

antitititifragilefragile

[atomic tangle]

Idk how

But it fits

[lyric wing]

did u just put bad bunny into bad boy 😭

[atomic tangle]

lmao yes

Sampled the first bars from Bad Boy

And took the acapella from a Bad Bunny song

I don't even know which song it is lol, just fitted perfectly

I didn't changed the pitch of it, if i'm not mistaken

[lyric wing]

hes the guy that made the song for that meme right

[lyric wing]

oh yeah i hear it

[atomic tangle]

Uhmm which meme?

[lyric wing]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hey so wanna hear my stuff

[atomic tangle]

For sure let's share

No worries

[lyric wing]

my one problem really is the daw right like i said

so um

this specific one

is not very good with mixing

and

i cant upload my own audio onto it

i could only make my own instruments

but its not as bad as you think

and im more of a cover artist

so most of my stuff is

inst remake

like pose

[atomic tangle]

Ok, i have the shittiest earbuds rn

[lyric wing]

gosh its pretty embarassing whenever i talk to producers that actually use professional daws

[atomic tangle]

Bro/sis

Just crack one

FL, Ableton, whatever

[lyric wing]

ugh ik i have heard that many times

[atomic tangle]

Take advantage of the gift of pirac... i mean technology

Uhmm

Afraid to get viruses and stuff?

[lyric wing]

nope

not the reason you'd expect

ugh fine