Music Making

[molten path]

Howdy

[solemn timber]

[reef basin]

sweet

[grave turret]

music mukbang

[reef basin]

i love the colour

[pallid spindle]

anyone else make music here

[reef basin]

I’d like to get into again .. don’t have the money for the gear right now and other financial priorities..

[atomic tangle]

Yas the channel i've been wating for

Dang you said it wasn't a Suhr but really looks like lol

Yea, top tier quality

Still yours looks amazing

Must sound good also

Fire

Hey Leroy, do you have an audio interface?

Well priced i suppose

Your guitar

[atomic tangle]

??

Send me some jazzy influenced loops

Whenever you want

Let's collab

Could be fun

Yeah progressions

With little flurishes and stuff

But no pressure, only if you had smth that you like recorded

I use guitars loops from splice but are just a bit limited some times

Some are really cool

But others lacks of a "B part" let's say

That makes the beat kinda loopy

Which still is one of the things i'm lacking

Doing B parts

Yes! i've never properly done it

Like i have irl bands, but in this way is different

[atomic tangle]

For sure

I have my bass also

Maybe putting a drum break down, chop it up a bit

Some keys

And boom! a nice lo fi jazzy beat to study to

Made by us 🦾

[solemn timber]

https://vxtwitter.com/stqrseed/status/1593014360099946496?s=20&t=z_8Aj32quzEqI3ftyfb3BA

[atomic tangle]

Woah! this is fire Dear

Thanks for share

I think i'll have to follow them

I don't have tiktok tho

[atomic tangle]

I'll left this messege here: if someone needs some help with Ableton just shout out me

[serene star]

Loveticon really reminds me of the ol' good eras of Weeekly. So I had to. :)

[reef basin]

Thankyou

Never heard of Suhr guitars before

I have a yamaha sbg 1200

Satellite sample niice

[pallid spindle]

im down

[pallid spindle]

i used to be an ableton user ☹️

i started with fl studio then ableton then back to fl studio

[atomic tangle]

Niceee

I'm kinda busy now, as soon i'm free let's hang here a bit

[pallid spindle]

hell yeah!

[atomic tangle]

I went from FL too

To Ableton

Workflow there is so easy to me

[pallid spindle]

i'm open to making pretty much anything, i like experimenting :]

[pallid spindle]

oh yeah mixing in ableton is definitely so much better than mixing in fl studio

[atomic tangle]

Hmmm for me is the other way round lol

The mixing view in fl is more like a mixing board

But processing stuff in Ableton is much easier, just drag and drop

[pallid spindle]

yes that's true

but i'm only limited to 10 inserts so i gotta be mindful whenever i'm mixing haha

whenever i'm mixing vocals i almost use all 10 of the inserts

[pallid spindle]

the search feature too! i wish fl studio had that so bad

what kind of music to you make by the way ?

[atomic tangle]

Yes so intuitive

Ah i like to make RnBish, jazzy beats

With trap, or boom bap drums

That kinda vibe

[pallid spindle]

that's pretty close to what i make

[atomic tangle]

Noice

I shared a beat here wait a bit

[pallid spindle]

yeah! i also have some drum kits that i've made in the past year or so if you're interested i can send them to you ^^

[atomic tangle]

Ahh for sure for sure

Ill hit you up for that

Im laying down rn lol

[pallid spindle]

haha

alright i'll add you and we can work from there whenever you're free!

[atomic tangle]

Made it on a time off in my office, is not made on my full setup

[pallid spindle]

love that bass tone

sounds pretty good considering you made it in your off time in ur office haha

[atomic tangle]

Thank youuu

And with cheap ear buds

I had a pair of Audio Technica

Cant remember the model

But broke

I have lots of random beats on my phone

If you wanna share feel free

[pallid spindle]

yeah i have some previews of some on my computer haha

let me find them

[atomic tangle]

This shit was crazy i hope is properly saved lmao cant remember now

[pallid spindle]

love the swing

i love making really swung stuff sometimes

[atomic tangle]

I never achieved a swing like that again lmao

Was one hit of inspiration

[pallid spindle]

hmm i cant upload files

[atomic tangle]

No probs

We can find a way later

Have to sleep now

Really nice to meet you, lets see what we can come up with

It would dope if more people gets involved here also

Brockhampton is dying, the internet needs a new boyband lol

[pallid spindle]

idk how to upload files here

hmm

i'll probably send my stuff to you individually haha

[atomic tangle]

Fr? Must be easy

Drag and drop

[pallid spindle]

it doesn't allow me for some reason

[atomic tangle]

If you are on pc

If the file is too big doesnt work

Unless you have nitro

[pallid spindle]

i cannot drag any files or upload :[

[atomic tangle]

Weird

Ok lets figure it out tomorrow

Have to sleep now

[pallid spindle]

i think it might be cause i dont have orbit role ?

[atomic tangle]

Hmmm

[pallid spindle]

ima ask a mod

[atomic tangle]

Yup

See you koji ill hit u up later

Byee

[pallid spindle]

have a good one!

:]

[jade briar]

anyone here use bandlab?

[pallid spindle]

eye do not

[brazen ridge]

does anyone have good keyboards they recommend for recording

[pallid spindle]

like

midi keyboards?

[reef basin]

i was looking at this one .. Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol A61 Controller Keyboard

[reef basin]

i started following this guy recently

and he has some cool videos i thought ..

https://youtu.be/os6fg2t8uK4

https://youtu.be/OCzf38fCqB4

also came across this looks good

https://www.moogmusic.com/products/moogerfooger-effects-plug-ins

but i ain't music yet but i got all this stuff saved up in my head

[atomic tangle]

Midi keyboards? Akai Mpk Mini is the most affordable and popular on that range

Then you can find for kinda the same price range keyboards with more keys, but no drum pads or knobs

Depends on your need at the end of the day

[brazen ridge]

ty

[pallid spindle]

if you guys don't know, universal audio is having a sale on their spark subscription plan

$1 for 3 months

i use the hell out of these plugins i highly suggest

https://spark.uaudio.com

[atomic tangle]

Yoo fireee

Once the subs done... bye plugins right?

[pallid spindle]

pretty much yeah

unless you wanna keep paying for the subscription

it's $20/month

[unborn sonnet]

for mostly guitar-driven work, is ableton better than fl studio or nahh? not sure on what to focus learninggg

[pallid spindle]

ableton for sure

that's where the "live" part of ableton live comes in

i've had lots of time making music with both daws i personally gravitate more towards fl studio bc the step sequencer

you can still track guitar in fl studio but the warp feature in ableton will make it a million times easier to quantize

[unborn sonnet]

ooooo thanks!! dont know about the warp feature in ableton yet but i agree that making it easier to quantize is

and for electronic-based music, is fl studio better for sampling, sequencing, and making beats and stuff like that?

[pallid spindle]

i'd say yeah

if you're not really gonna do any live recordings (like me) fl studio is great

like i said about how you can still record guitar in fl studio, you can still make electronic based music in ableton it just won't be as efficient (to me at least) as fl studio with their step sequencer

i honestly just recommend trying out both and seeing which one you like better

i should also add!!! if you have a lot of samples downloaded, the search feature and category feature in ableton really helps to organize those sounds

here's a tip:

spend some time going through the sounds that you have through that search feature and just highlight which sounds you really like

i organized my categories by fx, 808, kicks, claps, hats, so on, and whenever i find a sound that i like, i highlight it and put it into the category in which it belongs to

[reef basin]

that midi looks fun !

you got it ?

[atomic tangle]

Def Ableton, on top of the warp mode, Live 11 has comping, which means you can records various takes and will pop up on take lanes

Then you can pick the best parts to taste

[atomic tangle]

I have but not that one

I have an Arturia Keylab

But i'm not good at keys at all

[reef basin]

oh cool !

[pallid spindle]

it's okay i'm not that good either

🤝

[atomic tangle]

The struggle is real

What do you use for chords and stuff then? Lately i've been using smth called Ripchord

Spells midi chords that come in preset packs, then you can edit them if you want

Oh and is absolutely free, and it comes with some presets already

Ofc i use loops/samples also, trying to making it up my own

[pallid spindle]

i've actually used ripchord before

i think in the early days of when i used to use ableton

but i just rip progressions from songs that i like

transpose it and change things up a little just so i don't feel like i've completely stolen it lolol

but i do also use samples pretty often, i'd say it's a 50/50 of me either using a loop or making the melodies myself

[atomic tangle]

Ahhh i never tried to really do this properly, i tried with a couple a songs here and there, even trying to replicate whole beats the most i can... but most of the time ends in frustration

Actually, and seeing your profile pic, last song i tried to figure out chords was Impurities

Such a nice, lush, buttery (? rnb progression

[atomic tangle]

https://www.adsrsounds.com/product/software/thenatan-super-bundle-production-suite/#a_aid=bpb hmmm seems like a nice deal, leave it here if someone is interest

Also i'm thinking to make kinda of a post and ask if can be pinned here

With free resources, samples, plugins that i kinda gave the Jotita's seal of approval

[pallid spindle]

yeah rnb neo soul progression

love that song

[pallid spindle]

trueee i feel you on that

but honestly that’s just apart of the process

every producer has made at the very least one bad beat in their life

we really only see the best u know like we don’t see everything

[atomic tangle]

Yea also no every sitting at the computer has to be to make a full fledge beat, could be for learning your DAW, sound desing, etc

But ngl some times feels like is wasted time... just me vs my mind you know

[pallid spindle]

right

but hey it happens to everyone

i've always thought that everything that i make has to be perfect but that's not the case at all

sometimes you just gotta make a couple of bad beats or get frustrated to make that one good beat

i've probably made more bad beats than i have made good ones so if you feel that whatever it is you're working on isn't what you wanted it to be, don't worry because i've been there MANY many times

like i said, it's just all a part of the process :]

[serene star]

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[atomic tangle]

Is the way it is i know that, like i don't even have problems with bad beats, is just the motivation sometimes and my mind playing tricks on me... but we here griding bit by bit

[pallid spindle]

right

hey as long as we're trying that's all that matters

[unborn sonnet]

yup yup!! ill try both out first definitely, tysm for pointing out the differences in both!

i think down the line i would really find the search and category feature in ableton handy bc i do see myself having a LOT of sampleees

[unborn sonnet]

ooooo noted on this as well, i do record a lot of takesss

[reef basin]

and i thought jungle drums were soley sampled together ..
https://youtu.be/KYnsgaaDEFs

[atomic tangle]

You can definitely play it... also if you think about it, DnB drums are played by some session player, from some old funk records, then sampled and processed to suit the genre

https://youtu.be/lj10_Br86iI

Goat

[reef basin]

ahhhh yeahhhhhh .. thanks jotita ..

[reef basin]

dayum , that's some sweet drummin

[reef basin]

https://youtu.be/vetATmursIs

fun

[pallid spindle]

@atomic tangle i did this little thing because i'm very sad over the chuu situation

before anyone says anything yes i know the mix is bad, that was intentional

[atomic tangle]

Fire as usual... but

[atomic tangle]

Back to it

If anyone want the sample just ask, even the acapella or whatever

[pallid spindle]

this is fireeeee

[pallid spindle]

listened again on my headphones i must say this mix is quite chefs kiss, i would say vocals could be turnt up a bit more but nonetheless sounds great

[atomic tangle]

aaah thanks my g, i put the vocal in there to be a bit interesting lol, the beat is pretty simple

Also i have to pan some things to improve the mix and space of it

Maybe then i can add some more percs to keep it interesting

[pallid spindle]

hell yeah! i think it sits great as is, definitely will sound better once you do add a few percs and whatever else you feel like you need to add

[winged fulcrum]

damn thing is fire

dont click its cursed, getting bored when producing is dangerous

[atomic tangle]

Yooo thanks my friend

Phonk + Lippie = ❤️‍🔥

As soon i can i will listen

[winged fulcrum]

it's a meme thing, it's just the same thing for 4 minutes straight

[atomic tangle]

Is cool tho

Makin beats is about havin fun also

Orbits so talented

[winged fulcrum]

[violet turtle]

he's a bit creepy

[atomic tangle]

Omg frusciante pfp

Yup i know

Just having fun

Kinda drunk cus Argentina won lol

Hanging a bit here

Yas playing vs Australia now

Easy match but is football

We will see

[winged fulcrum]

Ye WaterCloset is cool

[atomic tangle]

[winged fulcrum]

2 done, cant's decide to finish a tune, yee that might be a rip off of a certain solo

[atomic tangle]

Two mixes nice

Thats lookin for the right audio

I've never remixed or used a Loona acapella

Must try it out

[winged fulcrum]

hmmm never used a single loona acapella on this one

[violet turtle]

Eclpise nice nealy Eclipse

some issus with the word

[atomic tangle]

Lmao i thought you do cus the Loona related titles

[winged fulcrum]

Yeah this is kinda misleading I don’t know how to name my project

But maybe I’ll try makin tunes with dance on my own or not friends acapella

[atomic tangle]

Just makin any beat and slapin an acapella on it is so fun

Kinda completes the beat if you feel is empty

[pallid spindle]

this is what i've been doing for the past few months

it's a blast

[atomic tangle]

Yea im strugglin still

But thats the best mindset to have

As soon i have i mic to talk we should have a beat makin session in here

[pallid spindle]

hell yeah i'm down

i meant to send this last night but my wifi went out but anyway i ripped the end of valentine girl and made it into my temporary tag and did a tape stop thing thought it was pretty cool

[solar canopy]

Kinda interested too, but how you gonna manage that?

[atomic tangle]

Idk yet lol, cus i have my audio interface but just for headphones

Maybe doing a 2nd account and talkin on my phone

[solar canopy]

Janky setup, I like it

[atomic tangle]

Lol

I dont have a mic

[solar canopy]

I can mostly do metal but funk isn't off the limits either, been also trying to do some pop stuff

[atomic tangle]

Like a proper one

[atomic tangle]

Funk metal i like

Living color vibes

Or early RHCP

[solar canopy]

Guitar I've been playing for 16 years

[atomic tangle]

Sameee i play bass since 15

Into beat making from 2020, ofc

Best time to learn smth

[solar canopy]

Aye, been exploring some synths for the past two years when I feel like it, more in depth to drums just lately

[atomic tangle]

Nice nice

Is all learning

When you have the basic of synthesis you feel god

You can tweak presets easily

[solar canopy]

Aye, it first started with "hurr durr guitars good", but later I realized that the song is always king

For synths I've been using the arturia stuff, they are really since they have a lot of presets and I was completely lost with modern pop sounds and how to make them, so kinda helps to get into it and learn to tweak later

[atomic tangle]

Yup arturia the best

I only have analog lab, but i bought some of their preset packs

[solar canopy]

Originally I bought the synths for 80's disco cover stuff I've been making for my own fun

[atomic tangle]

Which have some gold in there

[solar canopy]

You can get pretty far with analog lab alone, I got all the synths and bought the effects too this black friday since they were cheap, tho I've learned to actually use like 3 of the 33 synths

[pallid spindle]

purity too is pretty good

i mainly use purity for plugg beats but i've found uses for it in other genres

[pallid spindle]

for example the bell in this little thing

[atomic tangle]

Purity is really specific

But good synth tho

[pallid spindle]

yeah it is pretty specific that's why i was kinda hesitant to buy it but i'm glad i did

[atomic tangle]

Yo paulo your beats reminded my of sickboirari/Black Kray

Are you familiar with him?

[pallid spindle]

nahh i've never heard

[atomic tangle]

Wait

Ill share my playlist

[pallid spindle]

bet bet

[atomic tangle]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/55ckYHURr9rJxl1d7ojaLZ?si=WviJO7SNQzeDkV89Ev2hdA&utm_source=copy-link&pt=c9121e57732b9c88e654d0bf92c74e86

Idk if thats the right list lol

Tell me if works

[pallid spindle]

ohh yeah i see

i can see how our sounds are similar

[atomic tangle]

The only thing about some analog lab presets is effects, you cant switch it offf

Your beats sounds soulful tho

But drum wise

[pallid spindle]

i take a lot of inspo from slayworld/underground artists (summrs, autumn, ken carson, kankan, etc etc)

[atomic tangle]

Will check

[atomic tangle]

Also each synth has its own workflow, is a matter of choosing your favs and knowing its feats in and out

[pallid spindle]

arturia plugins are pretty op too

lately been using the juno jupiter and cz synths a lot

[atomic tangle]

You cant go wrong with it

Juno a classic

CZ kinda an underated one

There is Digits, a free alternative one

[pallid spindle]

yeah i like the cz pads a lotttt

[solar canopy]

Juno, jupiter, dx7, both prophets, matrix, and the moogs are my go to stuff

[pallid spindle]

yessssss

dx7 keys are just unmatched

[atomic tangle]

I think prophet is my fav

Best one to navigate

Stuff like dx7 is super messy

But arturia makes it more easy

[solar canopy]

The korg ms-20 sounds great too, but my brains haven't figured out how it works yet

[atomic tangle]

With macros and stuff

Yea lol

As i said each synths has its workflow

[solar canopy]

Indeed

I find pigments great for learning too since it doesn't try to be an ancient synth with wacky interface

[pallid spindle]

mini is also pretty easy to learn

or well for me at least lol

[solar canopy]

Aye, it is pretty simple, the modern interface of pigments just helped me figure stuff out faster than I could have from the older synth models

[pallid spindle]

truee yeah

[solar canopy]

I should also buy a keyboard because midi with a mouse isn't really fun and it's slow

[pallid spindle]

that's so true

i cannot live without a midi keyboard

i just cannot be drawing in notes like that

[solar canopy]

Arturia has some compelling options, either for 200 or 400-ish €

[pallid spindle]

i see

i was gonna get an arturia midi keyboard but i found out i could use my 88 key yamaha keyboard as a midi so i was like cool i don't have to spend like $400 on a midi lol

[solar canopy]

Yeah, I'm compelled to go for the more expensive one if it feels better, and I don't think I'm gonna keep buying keyboards the same rate as guitars so might as well get one that is bit better

[atomic tangle]

Noice

Putting your parts in makes a difference

Also you can edit afterwards

I use midi packs and stuff also

No shame with it

[pallid spindle]

yeah i do use midis from time to time if i can't really come up with a progression

nothing wrong with it

[atomic tangle]

For sure

Each one puts its taste on it

Just transposing

And pickin the synths or keys you like

[solar canopy]

Exactly, it also has some pads for drums which would be amazing, since mapping drums is even more painful when I already know what I wanna play but it takes ages to write the midi with a mouse

[pallid spindle]

not gonna lie i just be stealing progressions

[atomic tangle]

Yea you told me that

Nice way to learn

Ripchords is saving my ass on that front

Also sampling

[pallid spindle]

i kinda miss being able to sample chop so easily in ableton

[atomic tangle]

The hard part of it is making the sounds you add to fit

Switch back paulo

[pallid spindle]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i'll think about it

[atomic tangle]

Noice

[pallid spindle]

fl studio is treating me well at the moment so

[solar canopy]

What you lads using anyway? I'm on reaper myself

[pallid spindle]

oooh

one of my old friends uses reaper

but he's more of a mixing engineer than a producer

[solar canopy]

Aye, the midi editing is really ain't the strongest point for reaper imo, fl studio was a breeze with midi when I tried it ages ago

[pallid spindle]

yeah imo fl studio is the best with midi

like as much as i loved ableton when i used it for my 90 days fl studio and the midi editing was just unmatched

[atomic tangle]

Yup Fl the best on midi, Ableton the best on audio

imo

[solar canopy]

FL is most popular for a good reason

[atomic tangle]

But a little thing is realized is that the grid is more free on ableton

On fl you can, but is not as loose that ableton

You know for those Dilla vibes

[solar canopy]

I couldn't figure out how to edit the grid in FL back when I tried it

[atomic tangle]

Yo i just realized

It would be so fire if ZSunder be in here

The best Orbit producer

[solar canopy]

And I need it since most of my own stuff ain't going 4/4, you can easily tempo map in reaper

[atomic tangle]

https://youtu.be/5sxcPmZqfNs cmon they kinda nail it

[solar canopy]

Reaper is also the most customizable by far

[atomic tangle]

Fuck that down chromatic bass before the chorus is amazing

My fav part

Also the members melodies are the icing on the cake

[pallid spindle]

trueee but in fl theres rhe “shift” knob and that’s been my best friend whenever i make rlly swung stuff lolol

[atomic tangle]

Yup you can get swingy with it

[pallid spindle]

i wanna collab w them so bad

they’re awesome

[atomic tangle]

I realized (i guess is a fact cus i saw some shots in shots) that Slom one of my fav K producers uses FL

And he can get super swang

Maybe cus he uses drum loops also, really varied

[pallid spindle]

yeah true

[atomic tangle]

Like recorded real breaks

[pallid spindle]

if any of you have heard of monte booker he also makes some pretty swung stuff in fl studio

i guess it rlly just depends on what works best for you

[atomic tangle]

Yeaa Monte

His bounce is so unique

Trappy

[pallid spindle]

i take HUGE inspo from him lolol

[atomic tangle]

But swinggy

Got cha

[pallid spindle]

i was actually friends w him on discord on my old account

we never talked tho

[atomic tangle]

When i make trap lets say, i keep it straight but with moving notes just a bit

Not like monte lol

He goes wild

[pallid spindle]

or well we had a small interaction in kenny beats server i think but thats it

regardless tho phenomenal producer love his music

[atomic tangle]

Yeaaa

Im on Kennys sv also

You know where the sauce is at

Im diggins this producer called Kaellin Ellis rn

His twitch streams are a blast

[pallid spindle]

i have a few of kaellin’s drum kits they pretty good

[atomic tangle]

Like he began to compose a fake videogame ost with chat's opinions

[atomic tangle]

Are goated

I have some of his plugins also

[pallid spindle]

i used to be super active in kenny’s server but things got pretty problematic so i left

along w a few others

[atomic tangle]

That kinda of talent need my finacial support lol

[atomic tangle]

Yeea i was on another sv

With ppl that felt offended for some comments of Kenny

But i missed some of the drama

So i just hang out there for a bit cus i lost my sub thing lol

But ppl there liked me and added me to their sv

[pallid spindle]

yeah back in like late 2020 kenny beats discord was actually rlly chill and it was nice to be in there but the more people that came in the more problems came up

not sure if he’s still a mod in kbd but you might’ve seen shane (@shvne) around in there

he too is a another big inspo of mine

[atomic tangle]

Yea i have seen shvne

When you shared a beat with their name

I was like... this shvne?

Lol

[pallid spindle]

yes shvne shane

[atomic tangle]

Nice

So dope to share this kinda spaces

[pallid spindle]

i know right?

[atomic tangle]

How communites crossover

[pallid spindle]

its so cool seeing fellow orbit producers

[atomic tangle]

Fr fr

[pallid spindle]

for the longest time i’ve been wanting to find kpop stan producers

now that dream has came true haha

[atomic tangle]

Aww

I take more inspiration from Krnb and hip hop than kpop tbh

Like i dig the songs.. but i don't think is my style

Those type of electonic music like future bass and stuff

That kpop really takes from sometimes

[pallid spindle]

i see i see

i get my inspo from quite a few people and genres

now that i think about it it’s actually more than quite a few it’s actually a lot haha

[atomic tangle]

With exceptions ofc, Kingdom Come by Red Velvet is a track that i would reference

Those more rnb stuff from kpop are kinda of a reference

[pallid spindle]

yeahhh exactly

[atomic tangle]

Fr at the end of the day you process the whole lotta music you listen

[pallid spindle]

i love more rnb styles in kpop

[atomic tangle]

And then inspiration came

In weird ways lol

[pallid spindle]

yuppp

just taking all of the little things that stand out to you from all of the things you listen to and combining it into a unique sound

[solar canopy]

This is the way, I would have never in a million years guessed I would be pulling inspiration for metal from kpop if you told me just over a year ago, but here I am

[atomic tangle]

Like check this out i made this long ago, when i found out about Loona i went deeper into krnb

And i discovered this artist called Penomeco

Who had an acapella online

And i didn't heard about him at the time of the beat i made really

So when i really listened to him i realized that i was kinda hitting the mark with the style lol

Just that my production is more amateur

[atomic tangle]

The last bit is a mess lmao

[pallid spindle]

this is rlly vibey

it can def use a few risers and some transition effects but other than that it just needs some effects and it'll sound even better

[atomic tangle]

Yas is an old one

[solar canopy]

You have plugins for transition effects?

[atomic tangle]

Wherever i put an acapella on a beat i feel that really works out

[pallid spindle]

is that just a question thrown out there? lol

if so then no i just get samples from r/drumkits

[solar canopy]

Actually curious

[atomic tangle]

The mecca of producers lol

[solar canopy]

I've just learned to automate my synths or dive with guitars

[atomic tangle]

For transitions use risers and crash cymbals

[pallid spindle]

or well actually it depends on what i'm making but usually i use samples but if i find a use for a synth or whatever the case is i'll use it

[pallid spindle]

THE one stop shop for all producers

[atomic tangle]

This is a good one also

To give cohesion to the track

Like same synth but closed filter and stuff

[pallid spindle]

yup

there's this one preset in jun 6 that i use as like a transition effect

i forgot the name of the preset i think it's called wildcats?

[atomic tangle]

Automation is such a boring task to me

[pallid spindle]

yeah wildcats is the preset

[atomic tangle]

But really makes a difference

[pallid spindle]

yeah i can see that

the only time i like automation is if it's creatively

like for example the reverb on the master trick i told you about

[atomic tangle]

Yes really dope tip

🧠

[pallid spindle]

i have quite a bit of sauce tbh i can spill some if you guys want

[atomic tangle]

For sure, the flow of knowledge must never stop

After all we here to share what we have

[solar canopy]

Indeed, no point keeping your secrets to the grave

[pallid spindle]

true!

i guess the best way for me to spill everything is to just break down my whole process and what sounds and plugins i use

[atomic tangle]

Yea we have to use the vc here once

And chill

[pallid spindle]

yeah for sure

[atomic tangle]

I have to solve my mic thingy

[solar canopy]

Aye

[pallid spindle]

it'll be a lot better for me to explain over vc cause i can actually stream and show you guys what i'm talking about haha

you guys can too as well

let's all share our processes 🤝

[atomic tangle]

Yup yup

[solar canopy]

Last time I tried sharing the whole desktop audio didn't work, I've only figured out how to share the reaper main window with sound, which means you can't see any plugins or other floating windows

[pallid spindle]

are you on macos or windows?

[solar canopy]

I think through OBS it could be possible to share whole desktop

windows

[pallid spindle]

ahh okay

yeah i think obs would work

i'm on mac so for me to stream to discord i have to use loopback

[atomic tangle]

Yea we have to figure out each audio setting lmao

This music ethusiasts and their issues smh

[pallid spindle]

we'll get there haha

whenever you guys can vc though, just let me know

[solar canopy]

If I'm online on discord I'm usually available

What are your time zones?

[pallid spindle]

i'm from the west coast so pacific standard time

[solar canopy]

Finland so I'm 10 hours in the future, UTC+2 I think

But my sleeping pattern makes more sense if you think texas time

[atomic tangle]

Sheesh i down here in south america

Let me see my timezone

GMT - 3

Idk what it means lmao

UTC - 3 it seems is the same

[solar canopy]

I have no idea either, that's why I told the country so you can just google it and it tells how much is it compared to your location

[atomic tangle]

Yea check it out pls

[solar canopy]

time.is is your friend

[atomic tangle]

Hmmm not really lmao

Going to sleep rn

Lets hang here later, trying to coordinate some time for all to be up

See ya, really glad to share with y'all

[solar canopy]

Good night!

[pallid spindle]

have a goodnight my friend :]

[reef basin]

sweet looking synth .. usual synthy sounds ..

https://youtu.be/OXXJL6BubMk

[solar canopy]

The graphics remind me of victory's kraken pedals

[pallid spindle]

https://youtu.be/fPHZS-kXymw

i have been listening to this all day i cannot get enough of it

[tawdry nacelle]

It's so prettyy

[pallid spindle]

petition to get zsunder in the discord

[atomic tangle]

I guess they are here

At least that's what it was said in the general chat

Maybe they are lurkers here 🕵️

[pallid spindle]

ohh i see

zsunder if you ever see this react to this message

[pallid spindle]

wip

[atomic tangle]

Maybe i'll share what i did today

Nothing new, just working bit by bit on old beats

[solemn timber]

if you search the acc you can find it here, same name as yt account just zsunder

[atomic tangle]

Yea but we won't tag em jus because

[solemn timber]

yeah

[atomic tangle]

Respect the goat

[solemn timber]

[atomic tangle]

Still it would be nice that they notice this channel

[pallid spindle]

ahh okay got it

[solemn timber]

maybe they did and lurking

[atomic tangle]

So we can share sauce

[pallid spindle]

pls do!!

[atomic tangle]

Oki

[solemn timber]

[atomic tangle]

I'll arrange a bit more

I'll try

My weakness fr

[atomic tangle]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/c-cRIcx_dHwv5PpMKAY_rbYbnnNZePztTm7g-lYdXFs/https/giant.gfycat.com/NaiveFrightenedEft.mp4

Those iconic chants and cowbell

[solemn timber]

might share any songs i make later

[atomic tangle]

Kinda your signature at the moment

Omo

Dear beat maker era???

[solemn timber]

so far i'm only featuring on others' songs though

[atomic tangle]

Huh?

You rap

Or sing

[solemn timber]

i'm not really good at that, more of a rapper

[atomic tangle]

Bruh

[pallid spindle]

yes those r my go to sounds

[solemn timber]

i rap on beats other people have made

[atomic tangle]

We def have to do a collective

[pallid spindle]

zay chant and cowbell 🔥🔥🔥

[solemn timber]

but so far i only featured on other people's songs

[atomic tangle]

Dear, paulo, sona, me

[pallid spindle]

||including those sounds in my next drum kit||

[pallid spindle]

i would love to

[solemn timber]

[atomic tangle]

Ahhh i wanna hang in vc

[solemn timber]

i used to do karaoke with sona a lot in vc

and rap a lot in vc

[atomic tangle]

But i cant cus no mic

[pallid spindle]

pretty flexible w anything tbh i can do a bit of mixing and mastering and ofc producing

[atomic tangle]

I like to sing also ngl

Mix and master i fell like i kinda can, but i dont have speakers to refer with

Just my ear buds lol

[atomic tangle]

YMWtv also

Doing remixes of our own beats with Loona acapellas

[pallid spindle]

i am doing that right now

[atomic tangle]

Fuck we are here cus Loona how crazy is that

If they only know

[pallid spindle]

i know right

i never thought i'd be here

yet here i am

talking to you guys

lolol

[atomic tangle]

Yup yup

I'm glad for that fr

Before 2020 i kinda had prejuice toward kpop ngl

But i met such nice ppl

Beyond what i might like or not

[pallid spindle]

yeah i can say the same

not gonna lie i was a little scared to go in here at first but i have found out that the people in here are pretty nice

[atomic tangle]

Ok i arranged

Now to have dinner im dead lol

[pallid spindle]

love the progression

[atomic tangle]

Bro i dont even know where it came from lol

Must be a random midi im sure of that

I took your filtering ideas for the outro, slaped some rc 20 on the first preset it sounded good

[pallid spindle]

hell yeah!

love to see that

oh also i forgot to tell you this but if and when you're doing a master reverb automation you can also add other effects like choruses or flangers just to add some extra spice

[atomic tangle]

Yeaa thats exactly why i used rc 20

The preset already comes with a bunch of stuff

[pallid spindle]

this is an example of what i'm talkin about

[atomic tangle]

Bit crush wobble and shit lol

[pallid spindle]

i'm thinking about getting rc20 tbh

[atomic tangle]

Love how underwater it gets

Nice acapella also

[atomic tangle]

I have it cracked

[pallid spindle]

reverb on the master + chorus or flanger is just chefs kiss

[atomic tangle]

Tomorrow i will arrange another beat with the same mindset as today

It really was a loop before, that didnt went somewhere

I have a bunch of those

[pallid spindle]

it's okay i'm the same way LOL

[atomic tangle]

Also it has a bass line i recorded myself, it came out nice and swingy with the drums

[pallid spindle]

ooooh nice

once i have the money i def wanna do more live-ish stuff

for now tho i'm just sticking to the synths haha

[atomic tangle]

Yea you can pretty much get around with vsts

But puttin live instruments gives it a nice flair

[pallid spindle]

exactlyyy

[atomic tangle]

Adds like natural groove

Lol i listened to the beat on my phone speaker

It sounded ass

I'll have to improve the mix and master no matter what

But im satisfied with the beat and arrangement so far

[pallid spindle]

DAMN

it's ok i've had the same happen to me

[pallid spindle]

that's good that's good

do you have any loops you've made by any chance? i feel like doing a collab thing

[atomic tangle]

Hmmm i must have i old beats

I'll grab em and send em to you as soon i find those

Like bass guitar stuff

Then i can send whaterver loops i have, synths etc, and you can give em a new life

Without know what type of beats were in lol

[pallid spindle]

please! feel free to send however many loops you want to

[atomic tangle]

Lets just share our shit here, if no one gets annoyed by it

I hope more ppl feel confortable enough to share their creations too

I've met some fellow musicians here, i'm sure everybody have some sauce on them

[pallid spindle]

free sauce for everyone!

drum loop from last year when my producer name was uziswrld lol

i have more stuff i'll send it later

[atomic tangle]

Okii i'll check em later my g

[pallid spindle]

yes ok

[pallid spindle]

finished the thing

[winged fulcrum]

things that im trying to finish since im used to start a project everyday...
i have to finish that liphonk

[pallid spindle]

very cool

go finish your unfinished projects

||i need to finish mine too lol||

[solar canopy]

I'm quite convinced it isn't possible to finish a project

[pallid spindle]

you know what that’s so true

pretty rare for me to finish a project fr

[solar canopy]

These synths are interesting. Did you use lot of different synths, lot of automation or how do you approach doing something like this?

[winged fulcrum]

for all my projects I make my own synths on serum phaseplant or operator but i start with the same base so basic square or saw or sine, i never go too complicated on wavetables it makes thinngs harder to control

But post processing is the key of my synths

[violet turtle]

Have you done any eclpise from Kim lip ?

[winged fulcrum]

[atomic tangle]

I made an almost quicky here, not much thought into it lmao, just heard some phonk/memphis drums on it

Beware: it could be loud

And added an noisy lead in a kinda Carti WLR vibe

[solemn timber]

skunk song

[atomic tangle]

Nasty

[solemn timber]

this beat is nice, reminds me of playboy carti

miss the rage

[atomic tangle]

Def the lead that i added gives that vibe for sure

I realized after i added lol

[solemn timber]

but why's it called skunk 2

[atomic tangle]

Idk

Ask Paulo about it

I continued with the name of the sample

[pallid spindle]

so i'm a car enthusiast and i was just thinking of aftermarket part manufacturers and the brand skunk 2 was the first thing that came to mind so i just went with it LOL

that's how i usually name everything tbh

just the first thing that comes to mind

[solemn timber]

ohh

[pallid spindle]

anyway

fire beat

i kinda miss chopping up samples and making bsterthegawd type beats

i should prob send more samples :p

here's another

[atomic tangle]

Thank u

[pallid spindle]

i need the full version !!!!

[atomic tangle]

I really liked that other sample, those drums, but i couldn't came with an idea faster lol

So the second one was more easy to work around let's say

[pallid spindle]

i see i see

[atomic tangle]

I heard it and thought "hard phonk drums" lol

[pallid spindle]

hell yeah

i'm trying to find all my old samples so i can send it here haha

[atomic tangle]

Nice nice

Just keep droppin sauce

I might do the same

[pallid spindle]

yeahhh !!!!

lets all just drop sauce

[atomic tangle]

I should look for some old progressions haging in some half baked beats

[pallid spindle]

yes you do that

i'm just ripping melodies from my old 2021 projects that i don't really care about haha

[atomic tangle]

Right! is a good way to keep it rollin

[pallid spindle]

here's another

i'm stemming it out right now

https://we.tl/t-VfvI4GNRtA

here are the individual stems

[atomic tangle]

Letsgooo Paulooo

I turned off my desktop already, kinda preparing to sleep in a moment

So i owe you one

I'm searchin on my laptop but everything is trash

[pallid spindle]

hey you know what they say

one man's trash is another man's treasure

[atomic tangle]

True lol

Spittin facts fr

[pallid spindle]

send em whenever you find some

[atomic tangle]

Okii

Found this little smth

Are just two tracks, let me separe it real quick

https://we.tl/t-bxyclelIeD there we go

Thank god for wetranfer

[pallid spindle]

oooh i like this progression

i can def use this thanks for sharing !!!

[atomic tangle]

No probs, we have each other backs 🦾

[pallid spindle]

hell yeah

this is random but i had this idea to form like this little collective thing in a separate server and like make little tapes of whatever (loona remixes, actual tapes, whatever) but i'm not sure if there are that many people active in here to actually form that collective

[atomic tangle]

I dig the idea, but i guess we have to give this a bit longer of time, as you said idk how many people would join in rn

By now is cool to hang in here for a while, thats why this space was made for right?

[pallid spindle]

yeah i think that's the move for right now

maybe though if we get more people in here we can actually form the collective

not sure what we'd call it though haha

[atomic tangle]

Indeed, also there must be people talented in other areas, like graphic design and stuff in here

Is just a matter of setting clear short goals

Imo

[pallid spindle]

yeah that's true

i think for now tho we can just do our thing here

and we can see where this goes in the future

i was also thinking tho, we could probably like get together and make a little tape of remixes

[atomic tangle]

Yea i'm down with it, never done any remixes, idk where to start lol but i'll give it a shot

[celest bough]

Just found this chat and wanted to say hi! I mainly make pop punk music as a hobby in a band called Stealing Seasons, but I also plan to learn electronic music whenever my band breaks up.

Anyway, I did a low effort cover of Dance On My Own. Any other rock musicians out here doing full LOONA covers? I want to hear it!

https://on.soundcloud.com/KFxhY

[atomic tangle]

Ohhh nice Loona rockstyle

Welcome here

You can persuit electronic stuff at the same time tho

I kinda do that

Have like 3, 4 bands and produce amateurish on the side

[celest bough]

My problem is just laziness. I feel like I already don't spend enough time on my band as it is, so I feel like I'm cheating on them when I exert musical energy outside of the band.

[atomic tangle]

Hmmm i get that, but is all music imo what you learn on electronic production could be useful for the band and visceversa

Also the laziness... i also do that

[solar canopy]

I do mostly metal by myself. I have some instrumental metal covers in the works, Star is closest to the finish line. I don't feel like uploading them unfinished, but I could stream my reaper sessions through discord vc.

Also your punk cover sounds really good mate

[celest bough]

Thank you! Love seeing heavy music fans into k-pop

[pallid spindle]

welcome! glad to have you here :]

i guess since we have newcomers it's the right time for us to actually introduce ourselves and give some background haha

just a little about me:

i'm paulo (producer name koji/kojikilled), 16, and i've been producing for about three years, i also do some mixing and mastering on the side just for fun

it's kinda hard to describe what i make cause it's a mix of a lot of things but some of my inspirations include monte booker, the entire wishnomore, noheart, and gawdly heaven collectives, shvne, among many others

[reef basin]

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice .. i can hear heejin low key rapping over this ..

_
_
https://youtu.be/S8CbXWJqVZU

[celest bough]

I'm Justin. I'm 29 and have been playing guitar since I was 13. Mixing is my favorite part of the music making process. Like I mentioned earlier though, my biggest struggle is laziness. After coming home from work and taking care of my responsibilities to my family, and getting some exercise, it's really hard for me to find time to just get lost in my DAW like I did in my younger years.

[reef basin]

cool pfp

[atomic tangle]

Ahhh you have a big resposability it seems, i'm 28 and i share that lack of energies let's say. Don't get me wrong, i try to learn smth new everyday. This beatmaking/producing is kinda new to me

I began 2 years ago, but i'm been playing bass since i'm 15

Also nice to know we have a mixing enjoyer in the house lol

[pallid spindle]

i looooooooove mixing

not gonna lie i spend more time every night learning about mixing and producing than school work LOL

i think it's pretty cool though that you both are long-time musicians haha

you two have been playing instruments for almost as long as my whole lifetime

[solar canopy]

I'm 26 myself, got 16 years on guitar, mostly metal or rock, but also some blues, funk and disco stuff. Usually I'm just playing by myself, only occasionally jamming with a friend. For the last 3 years I've been learning to do some more synth based music too. I have a bad habit of doing endless variations of the same riff and not deciding which one to settle on, or just starting new projects instead of finishing current ones.

[atomic tangle]

Ahhh that always happens, lately i've been tooking some old beats and rework em

Some are just loops with drums, is a matter of arranging and seeing what fits where

[atomic tangle]

Also... you are super young lol

Your beats are already sounding dope to me, so i'm really looking forward to what you have ahead

[pallid spindle]

yeah people do point that out quite often haha

i just fell in love with music super early on, like in elementary school that was when i sorta knew music was my thing

[pallid spindle]

i really appreciate that, thank you :]

[atomic tangle]

I really mean it

[pallid spindle]

yeah! it genuinely keeps me going when i hear people that are older than me give me those words of encouragement and support me

thank you again!!

[solar canopy]

Funny how we all find about our passion in different ways. I didn't really listen to music at all even when I started guitar, my dad just suggested about playing guitar one day (probably because he's really into classic rock), and then things rolled from there.

[pallid spindle]

awesomeee

we all have different stories and found our passion in different ways like you said, but we all are here and i think that's great

[atomic tangle]

Yeee we all sharing our experiences and skills no matter what point of our "career" we in

[pallid spindle]

right

regardless of the age gaps or how long we've all been doing this music thing, we all have something to share

[atomic tangle]

Talking about share

https://youtu.be/9O3cbB3iWxA here is this piece of knowledge

Kaelin a goat

[pallid spindle]

so inspirational

one of these days ima have to sample random objects around my house and make a beat out of it

[celest bough]

Guess what? Y'all inspired to get off my lazy butt and edit some guitars today. I spent 2 hours and got like half way through one guitar layer.

[pallid spindle]

hell yeah!

as long as you got through some of it then that's all that matters

[celest bough]

I bet i can wrap up the rest this weekend

But yeah thanks for the inspo, Paulo!

[pallid spindle]

always!

by the way if you ever need any sort of samples/loops or wanna collab i am more than happy to send loops and or collab!

[winged fulcrum]

Collab tho ?

[atomic tangle]

Yes qts let's do it

[atomic tangle]

Lets goooo that's the vibe we looking for

Glad that this little space is moving bit by bit

[pallid spindle]

i am more than happy to! lets do it

[atomic tangle]

We should have on vc some day

[solemn timber]

i will freestyle to your beats

[atomic tangle]

Yas just lets have fun

[winged fulcrum]

i will try to make different style

[pallid spindle]

hell yeah

[pallid spindle]

that's all what music is tbh, just having fun

[solar canopy]

Anyone up for vc today?

[winged fulcrum]

Maybe this week end for me

[solar canopy]

Aye, I'm busy saturday, any other day available this week

[pallid spindle]

i'm down

i just gotta get through a few things which will take me more or less two hours

[atomic tangle]

Ahhh i have a birthday party tonight

Next time i would like to around

[solar canopy]

Hit me up when you're ready

[pallid spindle]

bet

[pallid spindle]

@solar canopy apologies for taking much longer than i said i would lol, ima be available to vc in a bit i just have a few small things to finish up

[solar canopy]

No worries mate, I gotta go sleep soon tho, 6 am here

[pallid spindle]

nahh just go to sleep haha

we can vc tomorrow

[solar canopy]

I usually go around 8 am so I'm not in a hurry yet

Your call

Tomorrow works too

[pallid spindle]

we can do tomorrow yeah

probably get some others in vc as well

[solar canopy]

Sure thing

[celest bough]

If any of you like learning about music promotion and growing a fan base, I'm a huge fan of this guy: https://youtu.be/Iaj0fs6JkhU

Not that I put anything into practice; I'm too lazy

But one thing he's huge on is forming that parasocial relationship. The reason I love LOONA is probably because I find them to be so genuine, relatable, and lovable. He encourages us to do the same thing by showcasing our genuine personalities and giving fans a human to latch onto.

[pallid spindle]

i haven't even watched the video yet but yeah i agree with this

i feel like just being your genuine self really sets you up for long term success in the music industry, or really just anything in general to be honest

i also feel like, just in the three years i've been doing this music thing, people only work with others just to get money and it just feels sorta hollow and fake to me

i've had people that i've worked with that i was actually pretty close to outside of music and i've noticed i made better music with them rather than just some random that asked me to send them beats lol

[celest bough]

I'm surprised there are people doing music just for money. I feel like I would burn out so fast if I didn't love it

[pallid spindle]

yeah that’s actually how i was like when i first started

i feel like the passion and the love for it is the success

[winged fulcrum]

True

[pallid spindle]

anyone in here use any ua hardware and or plugins? i'm thinking about getting an apollo interface in the future but i don't know if i should actually pull the trigger on it

[celest bough]

I have friends that use it. That's the interface that has on board effects, right?

One of the biggest benefits my pop producer friend says about it is that you can use the effects to create a good vocal monitoring mix without any latency, and that helps the vocalist give their best performance.

[pallid spindle]

yeah! that's what i've heard

[celest bough]

For me personally, that argument didn't win me over enough to spend the money. I just couldn't justify that money.

My workaround on my Scarlett though is to turn my DAW's volume way down on the master bus while I track so that the super quiet direct monitor on the interface can compete with the volume of the music.

[pallid spindle]

yeah ua interfaces are big money so that's why i'm going around asking people and really thinking deeply about it haha

personally though i do see myself being that "all-arounder" so i think i'm leaning more toward actually getting my hands on one

i have heard good things sbout scarlett interfaces though so if i don't get an apollo i'll def get a scarlett

[celest bough]

Go for it! I definitely see the benefits, and I think it will be worth it for you since you seem to spend a lot of time on music compared to me.

[pallid spindle]

got itt

[celest bough]

The Scarlett is good enough, but I wouldn't downgrade any further than that. I got it because it was the cheapest interface that met my needs

[pallid spindle]

sounds good

oh also do you have any recommendations for monitors?

[celest bough]

I used to use Yamaha HS5s with and HS8 sub, but I recently switched to mixing on headphones

I use some fancy Sennheisers (don't remember the model off the top of my head) with a Waves NX plugin to simulate room acoustics and Sonarworks to flatten the EQ

But if I could buy all over again, I would use the new system that Slate Digital sells

[solar canopy]

@pallid spindle I've heard good thing about UA stuff from my mac oriented friends, but haven't used it myself. Also as sumo said, the Yamaha HS series monitors are apparently pretty good for the money, tho I haven't heard them myself either.

If you're looking for reviews online for audio gear, bear in mind that often the reviews are their first product of that category for people, especially if it's more oriented for cheaper budget. So for some cheap monitors most reviews being 5 stars and praising them to the stars doesn't necessarily mean much if it is their first pair of monitors, same goes for audio interfaces etc.

[celest bough]

Specifically my take on the Yamaha's: their other main competitor in the price range is KRK, but I found them to sound way too colored. Like, my bad mixes sounded great through them

[pallid spindle]

you mean through the yamahas or the krks ?

[solar canopy]

KRK's are more coloring, which is bad for doing accurate work

[pallid spindle]

ohh got it

[solar canopy]

I'm assuming tho

It's what I've heard from other people too

[pallid spindle]

i see

[solar canopy]

I've mixed on Genelec monitors mostly myself, tho they are not exactly cheap

[pallid spindle]

i was thinking about getting ns-10s to be honest

i’m not so sure about that tho

[solar canopy]

Are they still made?

[pallid spindle]

i’m kinda leaning more toward yamaha monitors tho

[pallid spindle]

nahh they’re not

but it’s what every industry engineer mixes on ig

[solar canopy]

Aye, not really worth it with the price they are

Yes, because they were the monitors for the time

We have advanced in technology

Don't buy into the hype of what "the greats" have used, they all did good because they developed a good ear

[pallid spindle]

mmm i see

[solar canopy]

I assume there are plenty of bad sounding mixes done on NS-10's

[pallid spindle]

right

not sure where to go with this tbh there’s a lot of monitors out there to choose from

might go with the hs series? might not haha

[solar canopy]

I'm planning on the HS series too aswell, I've only got headphones myself

I would like to own Genelcs but they are expensive

I've developed a taste for the 1238A monitors but they are $7000 per monitor and need to be wall mounted, so not happneing until I own a house

[pallid spindle]

i see

i’m gonna look more into the yamaha hs series though i think that’s kinda what i’m going for

@celest bough anything else you wanna say about the hs series?

[solar canopy]

@pallid spindle Continuing on the "do not buy into the hype" theme, same goes for plugins which emulate all the legendary consoles, compressors and whatnot, which many ask hundreds of dollars per plugin. They just happened to be the tools of the trade those days, and people used them. While the analog equipment were and still is good, many still use them purely because they learned and honed their skills on them, they know how to make a good mix on that specific equipment. And there is nothing wrong with that.

But the marketing departments do their best to make you feel that it is this, the legendary analog equipment, now much cheaper on plugin form, that is the secret sauce to your music that is missing. It is not. I have some of that type of stuff on the arturia bundle and some others. I'm sure they are good. But I haven't learned on the original analog equipment, I don't know the ins and outs of that workflow, and they certainly didn't make my mixes magically better with a few simple clicks.

We have amazing sounding records that were recorded on a single mic, with all the singers and players placed in a single room strategically to make it sound good, and that was "the mix". We have the legendary the consoles and multitrack records that many still look up on to this day. And we have music made completely digitally on a modern day DAW's and plugins with basically no limitations, which also sound great. And we also have terrible sounding records made with each method. So what ever was the method of achieving the end result, it was always the ears that made the final decision, on what sounds good, not the equipment.

So the main takeaway is, you have to learn your tools, make the setup and workflow work for you and trust your own ears on what sounds good. And quite simply, that just takes some time.

[pallid spindle]

no yeah that's very true

i've heard mixedbyali talk about getting the basic things and upgrading as necessary and that's something i agree with

i'd be lying if i said i never fell into that marketing tactic and bought into the hype however i try to make the most of what i have and really get to know the ins and outs of my plugins

i've heard somewhere that it's not about what plugins you're using and it's more so who is pressing all the buttons

it might've been ali who said that i'm not completely sure but i do remember hearing that somewhere lol

but yeah what you said is very much true and i agree 1000%, i kinda feel like a lot of people just try to "get better with their wallet" and i'm not gonna lie when i first started out i was that kinda person to think that more expensive plugins = automatically better mixes but that's not the case at all

money cannot buy skill

[solar canopy]

Aye, just this black friday I was looking for a lot of things, but then helped myself realize that I already have everything that I could possibly need to make a good record on the style I'm currently interested, I just need to actually learn the tools I have instead of constantly jam along with my own music if I want to arrive to the destination that is a good final record, but I've just been lazy on that front

[pallid spindle]

no yeah i can say the same, i was just looking around at all of the plugin sales when black friday came around and i did get a plugin or two but really that's it

i see all the sales going on currently and it's tempting to keep getting plugins but i remember that i already have what i need and i get decent mixes with what i already have

so i don't really see any more of a reason to get any more plugins ya know

[solar canopy]

You most likely won't. Also I do film sound for work, so I should not fall for this, but marketing teams know the human mind very well too. We're not too different from crows when we see shiny things and some well written promises of greatness.

[pallid spindle]

yeahh it definitely takes a lot to not fall for the marketing tactics and not "buy into the hype" like you said but you know once you realize that stock plugins are more than capable than getting you to where you need you start to see less of a need to get these plugins that all of these companies try to get you to buy

stock plugins and free plugins are great

[solar canopy]

Aye, the main thing the plugins that do not try to mimic analog equipment have an edge in is usually the user interface, which might help you to understand what they do faster, but in the digital world these days there is really no difference in the magical "audio quality" that people are still stuck on from the analog days. Basically anything you get digitally should be the same "quality" unless something is done horribly wrong. And the analog mimicing plugins just have character of the specific equipment written in the code, it's not magic. And for one, the analog style plugins don't really help if you're already not used working with the gear in the first place, modern user interfaces can be are much better since we're not dealing with physical knob and buttons anymore, but have huge screen instead which they could only dream about in those days. I personally much prefer the modern approach, simply because I learned on it. It only really makes more sense to get the analog modeling stuff if you already know how to use them in the first place. But it could also be bought just to lure in clients while looking pretty on screen, even if you aren't using them, which is absolutely a tactic that is being used, tho this shouldn't be your first priority in buying plugins.

[pallid spindle]

yeah me personally i take the more modern approach as well cause one that's how i learned and two that's how things are right now, why would i waste all my time trying to do things the old school way and forcing myself to strictly use all these analog modeled plugins just to get a certain sound

my whole thing is, "if it sounds good, it sounds good"

to me it doesn't necessarily matter what plugins i'm using when i'm mixing, like 99.9% of people can't tell if something was mixed with stock and/or free plugins or if it was mixed with analog modeled plugins

don't get me wrong tho there's nothing wrong with using analog modeled plugins, i just think that there's a lot of people out there that think that analog is THE only way to go whenever it comes to creating music when that's not true at all

it's just all about skill and knowing what you're doing rather than being concerned with what you're using

[solar canopy]

Exactly. Like with anything, you want the tools to work for you, not the other way around. If you're at home with modern stuff, use that. If analog is your thing, go for it. Music is a skill way too complex to be limited on certain way. There is no right or wrong.

[pallid spindle]

yeah exactly right

i think i would describe my production style as more modern and current but my mixing and mastering style is in between analog and modern

it really just depends on what the material is tho LOL

key takeaway though, it doesn't matter what you use, if it sounds good then it sounds good

[trim ledge]

uwu a music nerd room

[celest bough]

Shit got nerdy yesterday. We talked gear!

[trim ledge]

i can see that

and pretty much agree with everything said

I'm thinking of updating my komplete soon-ish
but that's more out of actual need (need some guitar sounds for arrangement class) than GAS
also haven't updated since 2011 so I kinda deserve

[celest bough]

Damn 2011! That's like when I was just learning GarageBand and stuff

Olympicmew sunbaenim

[trim ledge]

everyone here calls me mew, being called the full name feels awkward now

[celest bough]

Got it, mew sunbaenim

[trim ledge]

[pallid spindle]

good morning all

[celest bough]

Praise the sun

[pallid spindle]

i was 5

its okay

anyway fl studio 21 released and there's finally a search feature for all your samples my life is complete

[celest bough]

What? You don't use Cubase like Yves?

Actually I'm interested in trying FL Studio when I get more serious about electronic music

Does the sample search feature just use name matching?

[pallid spindle]

yes so for example if you search up "clap" or "808" or whatever else you wanna search up, all samples that have "clap" or "808" in the name will pop up

that search feature was huge for me while i was still using ableton lol cause i have a tonnnnn of kits

[solemn timber]

i was 9 in 2011

[solar canopy]

I think the XLN audio XO also had search, and it neatly organizes everything based on the sound signature, so you're not bound to any singular DAW. It also has clever search filtering by sample length and whatnot. Tried the trial when it was on sale but didn't really need it, I have yet to adopt the sample type music making anyway.

But FL is great for midi stuff as discussed before

[pallid spindle]

i’ve heard about that! i haven’t had the chance to try it out though

seems kinda cool though i might try it out and see if i like it better than the new search feature in fl

[solar canopy]

I really liked it, but I don't even have any samples so there was no point for me, though it comes with around 10,000 samples

And it was around $60 on sale, might be on some new year sale or similar if you're interested in it

What I really don't get on drum machines is, are most of them really limited to 4 bars or similar on the drum machine itself? Are you supposed to export the midi and create a new beat or what's the workflow usually?

[celest bough]

If you're talking in the box, I always just make midi tracks (mostly because I'm used to it for programmed drums in rock music)

[trim ledge]

I've been trying it recently, totally revolutionized my drum sample picking workflow

[solar canopy]

That's what I figured is the best way for me too, 4 or 8 bars of beat variation seems very limiting for a whole song. But also writing midi directly in the DAW kinda defeats the purpose of the whole drum machine part, so that's why I'm bit confused about them

[trim ledge]

you mean the drum machine part of xo or just drum machines in general?

[solar canopy]

In general

[trim ledge]

in the modern day i mostly see them as a sketching tool

[solar canopy]

I only got wave alchemy's revolution drum machine, I don't really have use for the drum machine itself, I would just like to get the samples out of it to write in midi, which I don't think most drum machines allow

[trim ledge]

if it makes programming quicker you use them
otherwise just keep drawing midi in the daw

[celest bough]

For me, it's an organization think. Loading the samples into a drum machine takes up less vertical space on my screen than having individual tracks for each piece of the kit like I see on a lot of YouTube tutorials for electronic music.

[trim ledge]

as an Ableton user i just like drum racks
the one issue is that sometimes I need individual drum tracks for mixing/stem exporting purposes and it makes that a pain

there's also people just placing individual drum one shots into audio tracks

the only upside of that I see is the ease of reversing hits

[solar canopy]

Aye, tho it takes like 5 seconds to export a one shot and reverse it any way, at least in reaper