you get what you pay for I guess...
VSCode will always have the advantage that it's free whereas for jetbrains' stuff you have to pay through the nose
#Programming & Computers
undone thorn
worthy lintel
or just use eap versions forever
obtuse coral
frfr
i don't feel like any real programmer uses real debugging tools
unless you're trying to figure out why something segfaults in C
arctic lava
I used to code in an environment where debugging tools didn't exist
so
it was just prints
for days
obtuse coral
sometimes reading MC's code just makes me go 
what are these names, x, s, aa , w s and z
it's like they didn't even try to come up with good names for them
ffs mojang
worthy lintel
unless something has changed since i last used mcp, thats not mojangs naming convention
its decompiled code that the devs behind the tool to do so (used to be mcp back in the day) havent named
or else every class would be like il.b and every var would be string1 int2 etc
obtuse coral
hmm, but i used Mojang's official mappings
so that's the part that's just confusing
maybe they don't provide mappings for these specific variables but if they dont then that's just weird and dumb imo
worthy lintel
ah didnt know there was official mappings now
maybe they use the same kind of system idk, but to me aa stands out as a decompiled var name
obtuse coral
yeah that's nto too bad but when your for loop is like
for (int l=j, l<k, l++)
it's just like
????
what
obtuse coral
yeah that's acceptable
obtuse coral
`for (int l=j, l<k, l++)`
this causes me to die on the inside
obtuse coral
i mean if you're doing coords or something it's okay
usually i just do like for plane in cube { for row in plane { for item in row
if im gonna go like that route
well i havent done cube... yet
bu i have done the inner 2
deft shadow
they also use like `l,j,k` in for loops and stuff
is this not the norm?
obtuse coral
`for (int l=j, l<k, l++)`
I don't believe that this is the norm, at least
using single letters in restraint is like, okay, though I'm not a fan of it
sick storm
i only use single letters for like one liner lambdas/closures/maps, or as the loop index
[lambda x: x.name for x in list] is pretty obvious i think
obtuse coral
like desktop environment
sick storm
only window manager and whole bunch of bash scripts i wrote
obtuse coral
that is certainly a way
sick storm
custom fork of dwm to be exact
obtuse coral
tbh, i didnt' even know what a window manager was until i was looking at a DE on the arch wiki and it said you weren't able to change the wm for it
obtuse coral
makes sense
at least i know the difference between distro and DE
which google sometimes doesn't 
sick storm
yeahh
obtuse coral
googling good DEs to give a spin and it says "did you mean best linux distro"
tho if you dont have a desktop environment, does that mean you don't have a task bar and stuff?
sick storm
I like not having any de because I know exactly what happens at all times because I wrote everything myself
obtuse coral
ig thats fairly reasonable
sick storm
I have like a status bar that show battery and clock and other stuff
sick storm
i use same setup on desktop too
sick storm
i guess it helps
obtuse coral
though for my 7 year old laptop that i have that im not using rn, it probably wouldn't help that much anymore
that things battery lasts for ... 1h20m on windows
... idling
sick storm
💀
obtuse coral
the only good looking DEs i wanna try (after i switch from cinnamon in a week or so) is like budgie, or cosmic 2
sick storm
obtuse coral
and cosmic 2 isn't really in prod yet so
sick storm
this is somewhat up to date
obtuse coral
im a yay user personally
sick storm
I used yay before it's not bad
obtuse coral
what makes it bad tho
ohh
you meant those as different sentences
i thought you meant it became bad
obtuse coral
do you also experience the thing with flameshot where sometimes the window you're focusing disappears when you go to take a screenie?
sick storm
nope
obtuse coral
maybe this is just an nvidia thing tbh
i feel like i run into a lot of issues cause of nvidia
sick storm
could be
obtuse coral
that's why i'm gonna swap it with an amd one when the thing i ordered arrives
last part i'm upgrading
sick storm
what you getting
obtuse coral
amd RX 6700 XT
sick storm
noice
sick storm
it'll probably save you a lot of headache
obtuse coral
yeah
after i installed proprietary drivers and bricked my os, my decision was already made in my head
sick storm
de just works™️ if you don't feel like making everything from scratch
obtuse coral
yee
the other thing i'd be interested in is making my own DE, but that's a massive time sink i assume
sick storm
like there's not much point doing what I'm doing I just find it enjoyable
obtuse coral
that's reasonable
sick storm
well that's basically what I've done
obtuse coral
isn't it just a bit more spread out?
sick storm
DE is just a bundle of software and scripts made to work well with eachother
sick storm
obtuse coral
writing bash one liners to do stuff because you wont have clipboard access when you start reinstalling everything on your pc is fun
arctic lava
i have linux to look like windows 10
modest quiver
I wish I used Linux but my parents are paranoid and I can't do anything while I have an active warranty
missing kde plasma
proton was a bit of a pain tho so I'd have to dualboot
arctic lava
missing kde plasma
based
modest quiver
thinking of using fedora gnome this time tho
as apparently fedora kde isn't the best
sick storm
kde is definitely better than gnome
modest quiver
yeah I know that
but like apparently the kde experience isn't the best on fedora
or so I've heard
sick storm
@obtuse coral from left to right: workspace selector, current tiling mode, window title, bluetooth, wifi, ram, cpu, volume, brightness, battery, kb layout, date and time. Every block is a bash script much like the one i have open (for battery) ran in a loop
modest quiver
didn't use Linux in forever
leroy you use linux?
huh
TIL
ahhh that explains a lot
Linux is wizardry for old hardware honestly
my dad had an old af acer that I installed Linux mint on bc windows barely opened anything and it was like new
yeah when the warranty for my computer ends I'll dualboot as well
windows for games and Linux for general use
or well, at least I think I'll do that
I'm very lazy
yeah the only issue is games working worse on Linux in some cases
like valve games aren't an issue but stuff like say idk Destiny just plain doesn't work because Bungie is dumb
or games that rely on dosbox like the steam copy of tomb raider 1996
sick storm
anything with anticheat or drm usually doesnt work
modest quiver
lmao
modest quiver
anything with anticheat or drm usually doesnt work
isn't anticheat just an EAC issue
apparently battleye works great
modest quiver
mhm
sick storm
yea
modest quiver
like I remember tim sweeney admitting to just not trusting Linux users with EAC lmao
like outright admitting his product does not work
obtuse coral
<@298516367311765505> from left to right: workspace selector, current tiling mod...
the hacker font
sick storm
its actually jetbrains mono
arctic lava
actually🤓🤓
arctic lava
to be honest i think that we should never make general artificial intelligence
undone thorn
Honestly, safer that way. Altho taking all biased humans out of the mix kinda also sounds like a good idea...
arctic lava
i just think making anything smarter than us will innevitbly just lead to the destruction of the entire human race
sure
modest quiver
I for one welcome our new robot overlords
sick storm
deft shadow
very important question
1️⃣ compsci
2️⃣ comsci
modest quiver
comsci sounds wrong
obtuse coral
at my school they say it like cmsc, bu they're weird
left aurora
very important question
1️⃣ compsci
2️⃣ comsci
3️⃣ cs
undone thorn
very important question
1️⃣ compsci
2️⃣ comsci
Ahh but now the real question:
1️⃣ [comp-ski]
2️⃣ [comp-sigh]
Or 3️⃣ CS
deft shadow
who does 1️⃣
undone thorn
I do 🙃
sick storm
competitive skiing
sick storm
undone thorn
ez fix, just be a mathematician too and have the greek keyboard enabled 😎
undone thorn
Literally every day when I'm at home 🥲
"These are noise cancelling so you're gonna have to repeat your question" 🙄
sick storm
mood
raven mist
eager swift
hello programmer here
obtuse coral
programmer where
modest quiver
programmer over there
eager swift
programmer where
Look at the mirror
left aurora
Look at the mirror
all i see is a clown 
obtuse coral
Look at the mirror
worthy lintel
why does setting up backups have to be so painful
obtuse coral
wdym
i just used backblaze and made a shell script use b2 sync on my config files etc
worthy lintel
ive got the backblaze personal client thing going
but to backup my wsl stuff ive got a script inside wsl to rsync my stuff over to windows, which runs once a day via the windows scheduler
no idea where all this stuff is coming from tbh
worthy lintel
no i mean
i dont know why i have 400gb of stuff
i excluded all my local music files, shadowplay recordings lol
sick storm
wait you guys have backups
worthy lintel
figured i may as well start doing so now i have good internet
sick storm
i have a little sync server going to sync files between my laptop pc and phone but it doesnt really work as a backup since deleting something deletes it off every device
obtuse coral
i have a little sync server going to sync files between my laptop pc and phone b...
that's how i set up my b2 syncing as well
obtuse coral
i dont know why i have 400gb of stuff
tbh it might just be due to program files LOL
obtuse coral
if you include web browsers like discord etc it can already go into the tens of gigsbytes
worthy lintel
was expecting to just choose what folders to backup
obtuse coral
i like to use the command line b2 tool due to that
worthy lintel
b2 ends up more expensive than their personal backup service so i figured id just go with this
or am i dumb
obtuse coral
i just wrote my shell file like
b2 sync --delete ~/media b2://backup/media```i swear i saw something like $15 for 10gb
obtuse coral
I don't believe it's that expensive at all
sick storm
per TB??
obtuse coral
worthy lintel
obtuse coral
the only downside of b2 as far as i can see compared to s3 from what I've been told by others is that the server is a bit slower when it's under stress
so you'll wanna backup at like... not midnight gmt0
sick storm
my 75gb volume is costing me 3e/month and the sync vps is another 3e
but the beauty of my syncthing solution is that the syncing is nearly realtime
I can take a pic on my phone and look at it on my pc few seconds later
sick storm
yeah
worthy lintel
for the fab stuff on mega i just use megacmd to sync
its pretty cool
i should probably copy that into this backup stuff at some point
sick storm
normally syncthing is just peer to peer syncing, but having one of the peers be always online linux vps makes it almost like a cloud storage
And i can access the server's dashboard through my own domain
sharing is per-folder so for example I dont share my code to my phone because that would be useless
now If i wanted a real backup I could have nightly backups from this central sync server to backblaze though
which is probably something i should do
obtuse coral
deft shadow
i have to do 25 or so programming exercises in the next 26 or so hours
deft shadow
you massively overestimate my skill
i also have to record a 5-10 min video about pointers because apparently i have to do this in a programming class
worthy lintel
youre in a programming class and cant do fizzbuzz?
deft shadow
i-i don't know what fizzbuzz is
worthy lintel
its a dumb little gotcha exercise that companies do
deft shadow
im in my first year of uni
worthy lintel
deft shadow
i am ready to consume the wrong amount of caffeine in my four year adventure
sick storm
fizzbuzz is like next level from hello world
undone thorn
Don't forget pop!
deft shadow
24h 52m before deadline
pointers seem like arcane magic
funny thing: my professor does not allow us to yoink code from the internet
which, and correct me if i am wrong, is exactly what actual programmers do?
worthy lintel
yes
left aurora
aha
worthy lintel
we literally wouldn't survive without stack overflow
deft shadow
it's such a stupid limitation
left aurora
yeah that but its abit jank
deft shadow
jus implement it ur own way
me when i write the jankiest code possible so i wont be suspected of copying from the internets
left aurora
if it works it works i wont touch the code
sick storm
which, and correct me if i am wrong, is exactly what actual programmers do?
its what you do when you want to get things done, but it's not a great way to learn
deft shadow
fair enough
sick storm
plus you have to actually know what the code you're copying does lol
sick storm
this is what I get for promoting arch linux to my coworkers 
obtuse coral
Mood
deft shadow
i love c (no i don't)
obtuse coral
i love c (rustc)
undone thorn
We are all so good at lying to ourselves 🤠
arctic lava
rewriting the specifications for my code 700 times till I find something I actually like:
eager swift
this is what I get for promoting arch linux to my coworkers <:YEP:76158328492392...
Lol
worthy lintel
4 days later, it's almost done
arctic lava
backup once a day????
worthy lintel
may as well if its only gonna take a minute while my pc is on all night anyway
worthy lintel
i was gonna setup b2 and make my own scripts for it but figured i was already half way through this upload
try this out for a bit and if its meh then ill do b2
already dont like how it absolutely kills framerates when its transmitting while ingame
worthy lintel
its the backblaze personal backup app
worthy lintel
sick storm
how do you have 500gb of stuff to back up
worthy lintel
i genuinely have no idea where its all coming from
i excluded all my shadowplay, local music and assorted video folders
sick storm
are you backing up system files and such aswell
worthy lintel
yea it forces you to
sick storm
did you exclude steamapps lol
sick storm
i think this personal backup thing is meant to be like one click solution so they dont have much configuration you can do
worthy lintel
yeah seems so
sick storm
I dont see much point in backing up system files personally I just backed up pictures/videos/documents/source code
which totals up to around 60gb
deft shadow
it's fun trying to figure out how to fix my code when i don't even know what the problem is to begin with
apparently i have a segmentation fault somewhere but i cant find it
worthy lintel
if/when you get a programming job you'll soon find its not fun at all
deft shadow
yeah i should rephrase that
i am not having fun, this exercise is due some nine hours from now and i cannot find where the segfault is coming from
worthy lintel
if in doubt, put console logging everywhere and youll see which ones dont trigger
if you dont have a debugger that can do breakpoints that is
deft shadow
...what's console logging
worthy lintel
what language are you using
just a function that logs to the console/stdout
console.log(), system.out.println(), print() and so on
deft shadow
what language are you using
c
worthy lintel
printf("logging to console")
deft shadow
so are you telling me to just put that in every other line of code
worthy lintel
thats what i do when i cant be bothered setting up breakpoints
just like printf(1), printf(2) and so on, then once it crashes you'll see where it got up to
deft shadow
it's like
this online compiler im using runs the code fine but the online judge where i have to submit the code to says RTE (segmentation fault)
worthy lintel
im not a c guy but maybe check the compiler versions
worthy lintel
yeah that would make sense
should probably be using an ide configured for the right version too
that would pick it up before you even run anything
deft shadow
update: i did it
turns out the problem was that i didn't assign a value to a variable so the literal fix was
int x to int x = 0
obtuse coral
the fact that code compiled tells u the quality of C as a programming language 
and that there's 0 real error handling it's just segfault
sick storm
c moment
deft shadow
if i have to use c next sem i will cry
obtuse coral
i wonder if it's a valid strategy to write ur code in rust, compile it, and then decompile it into C
worthy lintel
its 5:38pm and i havent done a single minute of work today
arctic lava
i feel like i don't put enough effort at work (wfh has made me lazy), and i see my friends coasting at thier jobs too, and idk that's just normal now
worthy lintel
yup, wfh does that
my first two positions were remote for about 3 years and had motivation issues
then moved into the office for 18 months, was pretty motivated
then back to remote for the last 18 months and never been lazier
arctic lava
im still in school, but have been interning at the same place for 6 months and now i start full time tomorrow and idk if they think im slacking or not
arctic lava
then back to remote for the last 18 months and never been lazier
lol
worthy lintel
if no one has pulled you up on anything then you're probably fine
idk what kind of company you're at but at mine it's more about the quality of output than quantity
like if i get a solid, productive 2 hours in, that's much preferred to a "typical" 8 hour day
arctic lava
that's almost like the same for me too, but i have a few seniors in my team that do insane amount of work and it makes me think im cheating
worthy lintel
since you're coming off an internship, you could always just ask a higher up for input on how you're doing
even at my most productive, i've never done a full balls to the wall 8 hour day
arctic lava
since you're coming off an internship, you could always just ask a higher up for...
i think i should
worthy lintel
i wouldn't worry too much. a few years in the industry and you'll very quickly realize that a full 8 hour day is simply unsustainable
otherwise you burn out way too quickly
and impostor syndrome is incredibly common
worthy lintel
easily one of his best videos
near shuttle
yeah
for sure
when he suddenly cut to the entire contraption i was like what the fuck is this madness
wicked garnet
yo
obtuse coral
?
undone thorn
It does make things very nice and readable which we like
wicked garnet
It does make things very nice and readable which we like
thats supposed to be the purpose of a high-level language
undone thorn
Tell that to something like js
undone thorn
Yeah so what you read isn't what it does smh
worthy lintel
well, ts usually reads fine
undone thorn
This is truer
worthy lintel
just dont get yourself into type def hell
undone thorn
I like it there
wicked garnet
Tell that to something like js
not a low-level language
low-level language would be something like LDA181
Assembly language
undone thorn
01011001 01100101 01100001 01101000 00100000 01110011 01101111 00100000 01100010 01100001 01110011 01101001 01100011 01100001 01101100 01101100 01111001 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100001 01101100 01101100 00100000 00100111 01101000 01101001 01100111 01101000 00100000 01101100 01100101 01110110 01100101 01101100 00100111 00100000 01101100 01100001 01101110 01100111 01110101 01100001 01100111 01100101 01110011 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01100101 01110001 01110101 01100001 01101100
(it's just text - it was funnier in my head)
obtuse coral
nah it definitely takes some getting used to
the fact you're not allowed to have unhandled errors can be inconvenient at times, but that feature is extra handy when you're doing something like making a Minecraft mod so you know you're never gonna crash the game unless you do cursed shit which people definitely do
raven mist
the fact you're not allowed to have unhandled errors can be inconvenient at time...
dw there is always a way
obtuse coral
definitely
obtuse coral
bruh
Ubuntu is for 👴
I'm sure Ubuntu users are having fun having to compile new Python versions everytime one releases
sick storm
LMAO
obtuse coral
wicked garnet
nice
sick storm
im supposed to add logging to the user flow of an angular project but i've never touched angular in my life and this is extremely confusing
sick storm
metrics
worthy lintel
angular is just a reactive ui lib
if you want to add a metrics logger then you can but its not required
sick storm
we need user retention metrics
sick storm
in house
worthy lintel
you'd probably want to be hooking into the router so you can log page views
i havent done anything to do with angular but i believe vue has a way of hooking into the tab/page browsing away or closing, so you could hook into something like that to get an exit event
worthy lintel
god this looks horrific, no wonder ng is falling out of favor
looks like you'd want to use something like that to get info about the route and send it off to your service
deft shadow
sometimes i think about how my professor copied the questions of our exam from geeksforgeeks
worthy lintel
just getting you ready for the real world where you copy your work from stack overflow
deft shadow
its funny because some guy confronted our teacher about it, got the exam canceled and rescheduled, and then the prof just gave up and gave us full marks afterwards
sick storm
wtf
undone thorn
Incredible - are all CS departments the same?
undone thorn
They had to send a threatening department-wide email within 2 hours of our online exam starting last year because they'd already found some ppl posting the questions online. 🤭
arctic lava
just realised I wasted the last 2-3 months on an idea that fundamentally was over complicated for what I actually needed to do
brainspark moment curse & blessing
anyway my code is half the size
just killed off half the "dead" code
and... it works the same
undone thorn
getting over sunk-cost fallacy actually huge 👏
arctic lava
sunk-cost fallacy is the worst in programming because its so real
like you could easily spend 6 months on an idea and then you realise that there was something easier all along
its like the most extreme sunk-cost fallacy time wise
I took a 1-2 week break due to exams
turns out thats what i needed
maybe also going to the gym has cleared my mind
arctic lava
i spent 2 weeks writing some middleware and then got rid of it and started from scratch again. my pr went from 4k+ loc (still failing tests) to 1.5k loc (this was my only huge pr ever) . Sometimes you have to let go, the sooner the better
arctic lava
its some pretty complex math stuff so its hard to know you're wrong until... you're wrong
tardy fulcrum
Guys I need to buy I new laptop cause my currently one is about to die. But first a need an opinion about this one:
https://www.pccomponentes.pt/hp-250-g8-intel-core-i5-1135g7-16gb-1tb-ssd-156
weak marsh
Guys I need to buy I new laptop cause my currently one is about to die. But firs...
depends on what you want to do with it but looks decent, won't game or graphic much but more than enough for everything else. I've had bad experience with build quality of HP's non-business series laptops, their hinges die out, but otherwise they do pretty good
tardy fulcrum
depends on what you want to do with it but looks decent, won't game or graphic m...
Fuck I also have bad experiences with broke hinges but not in HP laptops 
I don't play games so that's not a problem for me. I only use for office work and watch content
sick storm
see if you can find a refurbished thinkpad somewhere
tardy fulcrum
Are you talking about Lenovo?
sick storm
yeah
tardy fulcrum
I've never seen one. And If I buy a refurbished one I want to see it irl to look how good/bad it is
sick storm
there are stores that sell used office supplies, usually laptops too
but if you want a new laptop i would go with a lenovo yoga or something
new thinkpads are too expensive
tardy fulcrum
Lenovo yoga are too expensive here in my country I can't afford one
worthy lintel
highly recommend looking up companies that handle liquidations for offices
was offered a herman miller for like $400 but i already had all my stuff freighted
sick storm
Lenovo yoga are too expensive here in my country I can't afford one
yeah then i would recommend office surplus/refurbished
tardy fulcrum
Noted. I am going to looking for a store outside my town
wicked garnet
fraser back so programming chat is now active
how many years did yall take to master your respective language?
left aurora
um
does anyone know how immediate value encoding in assembly works
they trying to encode a 32 bit number in 12 bits
which is impossible
so instead they use 4 bits to rotate? the remaining 8 bits
and thats all i understand,,,
for some reason hex 102 is an invalid number
idk why
worthy lintel
ask chatgpt
arctic lava
i'm not gonna lie it took me like 5/6 years to start to feel confident in what I write being good quality code (where I am now)
also chatgpt has gone so downhills since it released
worthy lintel
i physically cringe when i look back at old projects
arctic lava
it honestly couldn't be as bad as what I wrote when I was learning how to program and refused to use data structures
worthy lintel
javascript: what are data structures
arctic lava
like 400 variables and 2000 if statements oops
arctic lava
i definitely have improved 2 billion times over
i should be less lazy and fix the code i slap together in 5 minutes though
have to refactor so much because my code is so messy the first time
worthy lintel
have to refactor so much because my code is so messy the first time
lmao me right now working on a project in prod
build mvp -> dont have time to do things properly -> features get added to mvp -> mvp starts to fall apart -> refactor entire project while it's running in prod
obtuse coral
looking at old code is fun you feel like you've improved so much
does it tho
i only cringe when i see old code from myself
wicked garnet
i only cringe when i see old code from myself
dont you feel a sense of achievement
or accomplishment
obtuse coral
most of the old code i read has been really bad, but maybe someday i will
sick storm
yeah that's the point it's so bad and now you realise it's bad because your knowledge has increased
wicked garnet
see, sense of improvement and achievement
wicked garnet
Joine defeated
are u still in college rina?
obtuse coral
for a few more months yes
scenic turtle
didn't find any other appropriate channel to post this so uhhh
I present to you
chair thing
took me only 2 all nighters to figure out
pine wolf
ayy nice. i remember during college when I did an ff8 Gun blade model using Solid Edge
scenic turtle
woah
arctic lava
me making the ugliest code imaginable:
(it works tho)
commits to github
posts github link
"will add readme soon"
never adds readme
sick storm
how I added an email address to my website without getting bot spam from crawlers: just encode it in base64
const Email = ({ encoded }) => {
const [realEmail, setRealEmail] = useState<string | null>(null);
useEffect(() => {
setRealEmail(Buffer.from(encoded, 'base64').toString());
}, [encoded]);
return realEmail ? <a href={`mailto:${realEmail}`}>{realEmail}</a> : <a>{encoded}</a>;
};
god react code looks like ass
sick storm
im so used to it already that i kinda like it
at least i like it more than angular or vue
worthy lintel
i hate jsx so much
sick storm
lol why
worthy lintel
mixing html and js together
awful
the industry will take my vue sfcs from my cold dead hands
sick storm
i like the fluidity of it I can just return some html fragment and not worry about it
worthy lintel
does react not have computed properties?
i think useEffect is akin to vue's watch(), so to me watching a var to update something else like that is really weird
<template>
<span v-if="encoded">{{ encoded }}</span>
<a :href="`mailto:${email}`" v-else>{{ email }}</a>
</template>
<script setup lang="ts">
import { computed } from 'vue'
const props = defineProps<{ encoded: string | undefined }>()
const email = computed(() => Buffer.from(props.encoded, 'base64').toString())
</script>
i think thats more or less the vue equiv
sick storm
no there's no computed properties the same way as vue
see to me that template with v-if and v-else html properties seems really messy so it's just preference ig
worthy lintel
yeah i guess
i think there's plugins you can get to use other templating engines
but im not sure if there's anything like svelte's {#if} blocks
sick storm
i could just compute the value as a const but then it would run on every render, useeffect makes it only run once
and more importantly, it runs on client side (because im using nextjs ssr)
worthy lintel
yeah thats the one thing i do know about react is that useEffect makes it real easy to shoot yourself in the foot
sick storm
i will say they could have definitely made it clearer lmao
worthy lintel
coming from vue, having it explained as basically the same as watch() really helped
sick storm
that hook has so many different behaviours depending what you pass/return from it
yeah it's basically watch()
worthy lintel
im in the middle of migrating our nuxt 2 project over to pure vue 3 and its been so nice to use vite
instead of the bloated mess that is webpack
as sick as svelte kit looks, can't justify jumping into the ecosystem with how small it is
worthy lintel
downside is that vite doesn't seem to support graphql documents with imports
so i gotta move all of them into ts files with gql template literals
arctic lava
i love promises
worthy lintel
Twitter
wicked garnet
legendary code
sick storm
how can cloudflare offer free serverless workers with 100k requests/day.. for free
this seems too good to be true
obtuse coral
well it's true afaik
sick storm
most overengineered email reveal ever
left aurora
thats sick tho
undone thorn
do you watch hyperplexed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5oawMJaXbU
excellent videos
undone thorn
I was reminded straight away of the video when i saw your effect lol
Very nice collection channel of neat js and css tricks
sick storm
his implementation is so much simpler than mine lmao
arctic lava
asynchronous programming is honestly such a hard concept to program aroudn
proven lynx
my 2nd monitor has started flickering green for first minute or 2 after start up or when waking up pc from sleep.
tried rolling back drivers and updating it. checked cables, but idk what else it can be
problem doesn't re occur for the duration monitor is active.
arctic lava
i fixed this issue by literally swapping the monitor positions and the cable each monitor goes into
proven lynx
if u mean switching which one is considerd main monitor tried that but didn't work
idk about switching cables
arctic lava
eg if displayport was left and hdmi was right, keep it that order but switching them around
sometimes your computer assigns them in a certain way
so plug them into a certain order in the gpu
arctic lava
like switch the order on the gpu
so monitor 1 goes into the port that monitor 2 is in and monitor 2 goes into the port monitor 1 goes in
proven lynx
so monitor 1 goes into the port that monitor 2 is in and monitor 2 goes into the...
okay tried it, but didn't work sadly.
did somehow notice the green goes away alot faster this time.
sick storm
not hard to be better than literally nothing
arctic lava
Making all the wrong moves
arctic oriole
this is going to sound dumb but does ublock work on Twitter ads and promoted tweets?
sick storm
yes it does
arctic oriole
well, guess I'll browse every now and again. glad ublock works on mobile Firefox
sick storm
yea mobile firefox is awesome
lilac granite
sick storm
it's not
that is the 30 day search feature for enterprise customers which has always been paid and expensive
they haven't announced the new api pricing yet
arctic lava
insane would be an understatement.
near shuttle
Istg if twitter api ends up with some fucking idiotic pricing for basic tier im gonna be even more pissed than i am rn
Who the fk releases an announcement that their product is gonna stop being free to use WITHOUT the price tiers included in the announcement
And what logic is behind releasing the god damn pricing NEXT WEEK when the API is gonna stop being free to use, it's like pressuring the developers to make a decision on the spot
sick storm
yeah this doesnt make sense
they have to tell us the pricing before the access is revoked right??
near shuttle
With the way their announcement is worded it sounds like we won't be getting the pricing until 1 to 2 days before
Which is an absurdly short amount of time to decide whether we want to opt in to their pricing
Plus we don't even know the API coverage that the basic tier will have
sick storm
yeah lmao
imagine bigger companies
having to get this expense approved within 1 day
near shuttle
Yeah exactly
I hope to god it's not more than 5 usd a month
Any more and I'm gonna be fuming
sick storm
$10 is doable but more than that is pain
worthy lintel
it's gonna be catastrophic if they force oauth users to pay
sick storm
oh yeah
worthy lintel
not a chance every platform with sign in with twitter buttons can turn around this quickly
sick storm
and not a chance they will pay
near shuttle
Yeah
sick storm
just remove the button
near shuttle
That'll incur a huge cost on the DB end
They'll practically be forced to pay
Otherwise their database would be in shambles
worthy lintel
there'll be a lot of people who never implemented the ability for social login users to transition to password login users
near shuttle
there'll be a lot of people who never implemented the ability for social login u...
Yea, experienced that first hand
sick storm
i would imagine most places dont have this issue?
near shuttle
Haven't recovered my account in months
worthy lintel
depends on how the implementation is done
sick storm
but yeah i try to avoid social logins for this exact reason
near shuttle
Cuz the verification process to recover the account is so convoluted
worthy lintel
i've used a social login package that was purely social login and didnt keep a user email/password record
just logging in w/ social gave you a session
sick storm
bruh
worthy lintel
in theory its good for a small hobby projects but nothing serious
luckily i never got around to implementing social auth at work
sick storm
ye true
near shuttle
And a lot of solo run projects which become bigger never think to implement password logins cuz they don't even know that this situation could occur
Just hope it ain't too bad in the end, only time will tell
sick storm
twitter/fb/etc could go offline any moment or your account on that site could get banned
and now you're locked out
if you have more than 10 users that's something you should be thinking about already
it is extremely trivial to just store the email address that the twitter oauth hands you, as a recovery method
modest quiver
samsung SSDs are so expensive for no reason
bc what warrants it costing a leg and an arm here
worthy lintel
wd black m.2s are good
modest quiver
i saw a WD nvme one that wasn't a black but still
and it wasnt like
very expensive
so
modest quiver
well im not gonna spend an arm for extra storage
sick storm
yea
modest quiver
oh oops
i misread
i thought u meant its not worth buying ssds at a normal price
I am so tired
obtuse coral
has anyone used nixOS
i've used it technically on replit.com because that website uses it
sick storm
I'm finding the configuration really hard lmao
it's so different from your standard linux config I have to google how to change basic things
arctic lava
non-planar quadrilateral along a bezier curve
arctic lava
its a lot of triangles
obtuse coral
🔺
sick storm
worthy lintel
me
undone thorn
this why i am a big believer in git with GUI usage honestly - then you can actually diff files easily and write meaningful commits 😭
Even if it's a little slower to get things done and you have to like move your mouse 🥲
sick storm
i mean you can diff from the terminal too
but i must say being able to add blocks from the same file to different commits in vscode is very useful
(which you can also do with git add --patch .. but it's harder to use)
fleet anchor
git commit -m "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
"tests don't work"
obtuse coral
(which you can also do with `git add --patch ..` but it's harder to use)
Gotta optimize for maximal green squares in gh
sick storm
I set up my system to wipe the root partition on every reboot (and regenerate if from nix config) but forgot to exclude /etc/shadow so now it deletes my root password on boot and im effectively locked out..
wicked garnet
sick storm
it's ok I managed to recover it. through a live usb and careful mount binding of system folders I was able to chroot into the broken system and change my password and disable the root wiping for a while
undone thorn
Impressive work
sick storm
for a sec i thought i was done for and would have to reinstall
but i always find a way
i've bricked my linux too many times
undone thorn
trial by fire eh....
undone thorn
Scandalous
scenic turtle
@raven mist I started doing C
mystic adder
do all of u guys have a CS degree? is it required to work as a programmer?
fleet anchor
im still a student
fleet anchor
<@110372734118174720> I started doing C
C is fun
scenic turtle
C is fun
doesn't seem too hard
we have had 4 classes so far and the guy has only taught two meaningful things
prinft() and scanf
sick storm
do all of u guys have a CS degree? is it required to work as a programmer?
nope i dropped out after first year and no one cares
because i know what im doing
fleet anchor
doesn't seem too hard
its more like easy to learn hard to master, its pretty easy to make simple programs with C but if you want to get into the advanced stuff its a higher curve
at least thats how its been for me
im more intermediate level atm
sick storm
really the hardest part is getting that first job but if you have a lot of hobby projects to show off, a degree isnt gonna matter
and then when you have 1-2 years of experience no one is even going to ask
unless it's 1. a conservative company or 2. government job
but who's gonna want to work in those anyway lmao
undone thorn
we have had 4 classes so far and the guy has only taught two meaningful things
Sounds like a CS degree
raven mist
<@110372734118174720> I started doing C
glhf
sick storm
Sounds like a CS degree
yeah honestly the biggest complain you hear is, you go to school for 3-5 years but they don't actually teach you anything useful
fleet anchor
what hobby projects would you recommend?
fleet anchor
i guess i could start with something simple like a calculator with buttons
sick storm
yeah maybe
but that sounds really boring
and you're likely to not be that excited about working on it
sick storm
the best project is something that fixes a need/problem you personally have
but yeah it's pretty hard to just think of something to start doing on the spot lmao
undone thorn
yeah honestly the biggest complain you hear is, you go to school for 3-5 years b...
I'm so glad I'm also doing Maths alongside it - makes my studying much more interesting
But yeah an ideal project is smth that actually solves a problem you have and that you can and want to use and talk through passionately (to an interviewer etc.). Could be a discord bot, website, an app, an ML model, anything
sick storm
I'm sure it does (if you like maths (i dont))
undone thorn
I love maths~ 
sick storm
i did like math in high school but uni level math has a big difficulty spike and it goes right over my head
undone thorn
i did like math in high school but uni level math has a big difficulty spike and...
yeah it was quite the jump...
obtuse coral
its more like easy to learn hard to master, its pretty easy to make simple progr...
or if you wanna do anything with strings it's a pain in the ass
not a fan of C
fleet anchor
i love segfaulting 🙃
worthy lintel
typescript gang
obtuse coral
java gang
sick storm
i might need to ask my employer for a better workstation...
this thinkpad isnt gonna cut it
sick storm
my hard drive is 238 gb and it says i need 250 gb but I'm gonna leave it downloading overnight and hope they overestimated the size 👍
obtuse coral
undone thorn
Maybe one's megabytes and the others' megabits but they messed up the capitalisation?
sick storm
i havent heard anything
worthy lintel
Twitter
but i'm thinking it'll require some kind of verification
like you have to submit an application and they approve it
sick storm
write only
most people use twitter api for reading not posting
worthy lintel
my use case is write only so its all i need to care about
sick storm
oh do you have a twitter bot
worthy lintel
yeah got some stuff at work that hooks into our platform
and some sentiment analysis stuff that hasnt been deployed in forever
sick storm
worthy lintel
Twitter
tldr free api still available until feb 13, then 1500 tweets p/m for free access, paid tier after that
obtuse coral
it's kinda bad but not the worst it could be
i expected a lot worse
however, idk what this is going to do to bots that listen to twitter's api waiting for a post, so who knows
somehow i feel like "reading a post" and "waiting for a post" are going to be in very different payment plans
worthy lintel
yeah i guess it means we have to wait and see what exactly is locked behind paid tiers
fleet anchor
anyone know assembly that can help me with some hw problems? its basic but theres 1-2 lines that im not sure about
ik the format of
OPERAND, destination, arg1, (optional operand2?) ,arg2
but for the 64bit numbers (subproblems C and D) im having confusion about
modest quiver
hey so like this feels like an obvious answer since this is a channel with programmers but I wanted to buy a new keyboard and I wanna know
mechanical or membrane
worthy lintel
mech
undone thorn
mechanical or membrane
Depends if there are any ppl you live with you need/want to be considerate for 🤭
sick storm
i have a mechanical keyboard with lubed silent healio switches and it's 2x more quiet than my laptop keyboard
worthy lintel
lubed zilent tho
sick storm
linear > tactile
worthy lintel
wrong
sick storm
how dare you have different personal preference than i do 😠
worthy lintel
my preference > your preference obviously 
near shuttle
tldr free api still available until feb 13, then 1500 tweets p/m for free access...
alright then it aint too bad i suppose
i use less than that per month so
still curious about the paid tiers
arctic lava
sick storm
that wasted ad space must have cost them
obtuse coral
undone thorn
Honestly a disad if you ask me - like I wouldn't want to work at a company that blindly pastes a link like that
sick storm
yeah lol
worthy lintel
docker file permissions are such a pita to deal with
sick storm
you mean you dont just run all containers as root
worthy lintel
yea but trying to do that and keep it as simple as docker compose up
tried to make a user inside the container that matches the host doesnt seem to work
sick storm
sick storm
worthy lintel
not fooling me into learning rust
still using enums in typescript
tbh i dont get this complaint about the union type thing
like yeah you made a union type with strings numbers and an object, of course its going to allow strings and numbers
sick storm
not fooling me into learning rust
ill get you one day
worthy lintel
i already had to pick up typescript against my will
and almost had to pick up crystal
sick storm
wtf is crystal
worthy lintel
basically ruby but compiled to C instead of interpreted
you can import a lot of ruby gems and they just work, pretty cool but i hate the ruby syntax
sick storm
i see
arctic lava
documenting code
obtuse coral
whats elm
worthy lintel
copilot goated
sick storm
i've never really had to think about drivers on linux
everything is built into the kernel
if you use an up to date kernel that is
but i've pretty much replicated my arch setup on nixos now, aside from few niche programs that arent available on the nixpkgs repos
might end up packaging those myself and make a pull request
it's all here btw https://github.com/joinemm/nixos
(i did make it more complicated than it needs to be)
obtuse coral
arctic lava
off by one error strikes again
obtuse coral
huh?
deft shadow
is a programming language
elm is weird
you can't change variables
once you assign a value you can't change it
so that will be Fun to Deal With
arctic lava
immutable (screaming)
deft shadow
are there mutable things?
its a pure language
i don't know what that means
but it's what it's
sick storm
wtf
obtuse coral
it works joine
sick storm
but why would you ever want to do that
arctic lava
rina brain
north carbon
uhhh so very basic problem
import time t = int(input("Enter countdown time: ")) while t>0: print('\033[?25l', end="") print(t,end="\r") time.sleep(1) t-=1
the counting goes from 10 to 90 rather than 09 or 9
why is that happening
oh well, I just got to know it doesn't happen after I remove end="\r"
but I don't need it to print every number but erase the previous number and print new one
sick storm
because you never overwrite the 0 from the 10
you're just printing the rest of the numbers over the 1
north carbon
🤔
sick storm
print(t,end="\r") = print t and move cursor to beginning of the line
north carbon
oh so I was thinking right, it just brings it back to the ones place and ignores the zero
thanks
sick storm
yea you need to print some whitespace or something to cover the 0
north carbon
ok, I'll work on it
obtuse coral
but why would you ever want to do that
i was curious
craggy adder
totally random and most people would never see this but access to archiveteam's full image of VLIVE's data has been implemented into yt-dlp as of the latest version today, and you can basically download them but very slowly as it needs to grab chunks from WARC files
sick storm
wrote a python script that gets me a random wallpaper from https://wallhaven.cc/ and I run it on boot so i have a new wallpaper every day
undone thorn
i love my changing wallpaper every day; and cause im an icky windows user the theme colours change too to match
sick storm
i get tired of it very fast
yea i have same problem thats why i wrote this script so i dont have to do it manually lol
undone thorn
I use the windows spotlight images so it's just like nice landscapes and stuff
obtuse coral
does your pc have to spend an hour rebuilding all your programs everyday joine
i tried the nix installer in a vm and it took forever
obtuse coral
oh that's awesome then
building all my software still kinda mid
i wanted to try nix on my chromebook but the thing has 2 cores LMAO
not gonna wait 10h for the first install
sick storm
💀
obtuse coral
or have half the drive space taken up by binaries or leftover build files
sick storm
if it's some niche hardware then yeah you might have to actually build most things from source
because the nix store has cached prebuilt binaries
but only if the hardware matches
obtuse coral
it was prob more like 15 mins
but i also limited it to 4 gb of ram
because i wanted to simulate my chromebook
sick storm
i also had bunch of other problems thanks to the vm mouse/keyboard virtual drivers
i'd just do it the actual hardware
much easier
obtuse coral
i just dont have a lot of pcs tbh
got like two with ok hardware and theyre for use at 2 diff places, so I don't wanna make one unusable 
sick storm
yea i get that
I installed nix on my work laptop but it was over the weekend and i was confident i could get it in working shape before monday lmao
(tbf it helps that my work is nix related so even if it broke i would be fine)
obtuse coral
the main reason to learn nix would be work, tbh
could be like 'pls let me use linux instead of windows it'll take like 10 mins to setup'
sick storm
lmaoo
im basically getting paid to learn nix atm
because we're making a nix based linux distro
i think someone said 99% of the employees here use linux so they just asked what I'm gonna install on it and let me get to it
which initially was my arch setup
sick storm
it's super low level, basically running everything in it's own isolated vm for ultra security. vm for networking, vm for graphics, etc
it will be an open source platform you can build upon to make os for desktop, phones, drones or any embedded ARM platform
scenic turtle
I hath returneth
with more knowledge
I can now do if(a==1)
{ printf("robic sucks");
C seems very easy
sick storm
are you gonna close those curly braces
sick storm
}
worthy lintel
doing no work while waiting for others to merge branches 
deft shadow
elm, the religious experience
pipelines my beloved but also im going to melt if i have to write more code
at least the fira code font looks good
near shuttle
LOL wtf
fleet anchor
obtuse coral
at least the fira code font looks good
tbh the code font makes me more unable to parse what this syntax means
like what the heck is a right facing triangle
does it run stuff
worthy lintel
yeah itll be what join said
basically the font/ide combines symbols into new ones
so |> is common for pipe operators
some do things like turning !== into a proper =/=
obtuse coral
yea
i know what piping is in a terminal but like... in an actual programming language ??
worthy lintel
its big in functional programming
obtuse coral
oh i think i get what's going on
but the more i understand
the worse it gets
truly a bizarre syntax
worthy lintel
basically instead of doing something like
var = func1(func2(func3(someApiCall()))))
you do
var = someApiCall()
|> func3
|> func2
|> func1
yee
worthy lintel
or something along the lines of that
worthy lintel
my work project is riddled with a bastardized version of it
instead of using promises we use a lib called fp-ts
so any awaited function has to return a Right (correct value) or a Left (error value)
and its all chainable using pipes
i hate it
obtuse coral
ah
sounds like the CompletableFuture java lib
well... what Mojang was doing with it anyway
they had return types like CompletableFuture<Either<ChunkAccess, Error>> lol
obtuse coral
and it's funny cause in most places in the code they do like
return either.left(chunk)
worthy lintel
thankfully i mostly just have to write basic gql resolvers so i can just use promises
obtuse coral
and because i didn't realize left meant ACTUAL left, i thought it was like "the only thing left"
obtuse coral
thankfully i mostly just have to write basic gql resolvers so i can just use pro...
lucky
worthy lintel
well, basic until we have to start fighting the lib cause the dev refuses to fix fundamental flaws
thanks type-graphql
obtuse coral
sick storm
basically instead of doing something like
```
var = func1(func2(func3(someApiCal...
i am big fan of function chaining for example in rust
let var = someApiCall()
.func3()
.func2()
.func1()
just that pipe syntax looked weird but i get it now
worthy lintel
yeah collections in particular i really like chaining for
laravel collections spoiled me so much that if im doing lots of array work i just pull in lodash and use that
deft shadow
how did you get them arrows
fira code font
sick storm
best font
deft shadow
idk why we're learning elm for an introduction to programming course