Misc Chat

[dusky rapids]

when there's so much else to see

andre where are you from again

[last eagle]

you can visit spots Chuu went in Bali i guess

[last eagle]

banyuwangi

literally next to bali lmao

[dusky rapids]

yeah ofc bali is classic, will go someday

i heard lombok is good too since it's next to bali

[last eagle]

yea that one too

[dusky rapids]

oic

[last eagle]

You can get to see Komodo

the only living dragon in existence

[dusky rapids]

no thanks

i'm already scared of the monitor lizards we have in sg

[last eagle]

lol

fair

[dire canopy]

these things?
https://thebazaar.wiki.gg/images/0/09/Monitor_Lizard.png?51d429

[dusky rapids]

one crossed in front of me while i was walking in the park once

good thing it didn't bother with me

🚶‍♂️

[last eagle]

Still, Lombok is one of the cool spot to visit

[dusky rapids]

close enough

[vital needle]

Europeans have to pay for it and americans are rioting because they cam get an ICE ride for free

Such a spoiled country i swear to god

[last eagle]

https://fxtwitter.com/MatPatGT/status/1932458863619404194?t=XMLw4TXSnSdt7tYAc60zvA&s=19

MatPat (@MatPatGT)

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FxTwitter · Jun 10, 2025, 3:24 PM

no longer a theorist, but a man that will apply his theories irl

[charred fulcrum]

what in the fuck

[dusky rapids]

matpat for president

[ocean vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/buurman-buurman-en-buurman-pat-o-mat-gif-22312276

[dreamy ledge]

https://www.techspot.com/news/108255-youtube-relaxed-moderation-policy-allows-more-controversial-videos.html

[vital needle]

Please let this unalive the word unalive

[charred fulcrum]

yo we can say kill now?

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1932683205834125561

Polling USA (@USA_Polling)

Uh...

X · Jun 11, 2025, 6:15 AM

Well

Texas already did for that matter

[trim flicker]

seems normal

[fossil basin]

https://www.complex.com/music/a/jaelaniturnerwilliams/silento-sentenced-to-30-years-in-murder-of-his-cousin

[eager parrot]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/06/verizon-bought-10m-in-ads-on-x-to-avoid-lawsuit-from-musk-report-says/

who knew this would actually work

threat of frivolous lawsuits is one dirty trick

even if you have no hope of actually winning (which is not certain in this case), the process is the punishment.

[last eagle]

lol

[blazing depot]

I mean, Trump did the same and everyone and their mom are caving

[eager parrot]

It usually doesn't work this effectively

not against such massive corporations and entities as defendants anyway

given the plaintiffs are in such high positions of authority and influence, and seem to have infinite war chests, it feel more toe the line and don't fight the status quo than caving in.

it's sad, one would have expected at least some of them to have principle and fighting spirit given all their past rhetoric.

[last eagle]

https://x.com/Dexerto/status/1932845603865964951

Dexerto (@Dexerto)

Disney & Universal have sued AI company ‘Midjourney’ for copyright infringement

“Midjourney is… a bottomless pit of plagiarism”

X · Jun 11, 2025, 5:01 PM

[eager parrot]

“Midjourney is… a bottomless pit of plagiarism”

they all know that's all AI companies doing this content generation stuff

some of them pay their dues behind the scenes, others license properly, some of them are too big to be sued yet (Google, Facebook, OpenAI), so they go after a small fish to make an example out of?

[blazing depot]

Setting precedent, yes

Makes a lot of sense

Google woould just drag it out over literal decades

[trim flicker]

makes sense

if that's their plan anyway

[marsh oracle]

Does midjourney try and restrict their models from generating established characters?

That might be the difference

Or just the fact that midjourney was first and this took 2 years to prepare

[last eagle]

https://x.com/Dexerto/status/1932916354727723055

Dexerto (@Dexerto)

China has banned banks from luring customers with Labubu dolls

X · Jun 11, 2025, 9:42 PM

watch someone, somewhere, will make this live horror adaptation of this creature

[hoary charm]

https://fixupx.com/venturetwins/status/1932934055378759805

Justine Moore (@venturetwins)

Wild things are happening on Meta’s AI app.
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FixupX · Jun 11, 2025, 10:52 PM

insane these are just public

[fossil basin]

expecting large companies to have principles was the big mistake

[ruby helm]

If coca cola doesn't fall in line and buy twitter ads, then Trump won't agree to settle the tax investigation into their tax evasion of $1bn for a sum of $1.2m, binding also future democrat governments from doing anything about it.

Given the last year it looked like Trump/Musk are on the same team

[fossil basin]

he should have been a TMZ reporter or a Perez Hilton like figure (not that i would like him personally that way), rather than a politician

it'd just have been a better fit on how he operates

[blazing depot]

Also unfortunately it seems Elon and Trump have made up ever since their fallout and are besties again

[fossil basin]

i cannot win

[blazing depot]

Drugs wore off I guess

[proud tulip]

its not like he wont be in a k hole again soon, we just have to wait

[supple dragon]

finally!!

[dusky rapids]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/air-india-plane-crash-ahmedabad-airport-5177241

there's vids spreading on social media, in case yall wanna avoid

[charred fulcrum]

oof

@uneven nymph u seeing this?

At least 242 people were on board the flight, local police said in an update, without confirming any fatalities.

Footage taken near the crash site, located in a civilian area near the airport, showed thick plumes of smoke and debris on fire.

Aircraft flight tracking website FlightRadar24 said the plane involved was a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner and signal was lost at 625 feet, less than a minute after take-off.

According to Aviation Safety Network, the Dreamliner has a very strong safety record, with no hull losses and no fatalities since entering service.

[charred fulcrum]

Damn it's always really catastrophic when a commercial plane crashes

This is bad

[uneven nymph]

Yea just learned about it.
Very interesting situation.
From what ive heard it was a dual engine failure.
possibly birds?
Very unlikely for two engines to fail unless it was contaminated fuel or pilot error.
Allegedly the ram air turbine (RAT) can be seen deployed as well.

Very tragic event. Its also the first hull loss of a 787.

From the video I doubt theres many survivors.

[charred fulcrum]

Oh what

ok I want you to correct me if I am wrong but

It's a B787

V1 at full load is at 175 knots required minimum

But from Flightradar the plane already at 600ish feet up withj 173 knots

Rotate too early before V1?

or that's just within?

[uneven nymph]

Could be. But could also be winds. FR shows groundspeed not indicated

[charred fulcrum]

ic

I also saw people commented "zero flaps"

[uneven nymph]

Apparently the video also shoed no flaps

yea

[charred fulcrum]

ain't takeoff usually we set flaps at 2?

Or there's a situation where we wouldn't need flaps to take off?

[uneven nymph]

Not familiar with the exact setting but yea should be using flaps to dome degree

Will be anticipating the investigation on this one

[charred fulcrum]

https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1933090705846706267

Flightradar24 (@flightradar24)

The weather in Ahmedabad at the time of the accident of flight #AI171
Wind direction: 250°
Wind speed: 7kt
Temperature: 37°C
Dew point: 16°C
Pressure: 1001 hPa
Visibility: 6000 m
https://t.co/xMtrsD3Qwz

X · Jun 12, 2025, 9:15 AM

https://x.com/PilotPoli/status/1933149149136122365

PoliticalPilot (@PilotPoli)

Post crash image seems to provide more evidence flaps may not have been configured for take off. #AI171 #AirIndia #AirIndiaCrash

X · Jun 12, 2025, 1:07 PM

Ah

So 0 flaps

That's...

ok so I am no pilot or pursuing aviation

just a ton of FSX/FS2020/FS2024 vids

There must be a checklist item that requires you to check instruments and flight controls

Best case scenario the flaps failed when takeoff

Worst case scenario flaps didn't get checked

[uneven nymph]

correct. either they were misconfigured to begin with or there was some sort of failure

https://x.com/shivaroor/status/1933165937399648447?s=46&t=ZlAFWxGXOOOyFbV3JDZNHw

Shiv Aroor (@ShivAroor)

The full sequence from take-off to crash—final moments of Air India 171 captured on CCTV. Clear catastrophic lack of lift just seconds after liftoff.

X · Jun 12, 2025, 2:14 PM

new video just came of the entire takeoff

[supple dragon]

ooooof

[marsh oracle]

Oh no

[hoary charm]

that looked like it was just going sideways

weird angle on the camera probably

[marsh oracle]

Yea i thought they were just gonna land again

[hoary charm]

so uh, a news agency released the entire passenger list that includes passport numbers

not a chance families could've had a chance to be contacted yet

[icy pine]

He loves himself more than anyone..!!

[proud tulip]

someone actually survived by the sounds of it

thats a miracle

[blazing depot]

Luck

Like Hollywood movie story levels of luck

Apparently he escaped through the emergency exit

[shadow elbow]

seems prudent

[blazing depot]

The one time you're happy to get the shitty seat next to it

[half heath]

For fucks sake US/Israel manufacturing some bullshit to go to war with Iran...

[trim flicker]

classic

[half heath]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/12/israels-iran-threat-is-familiar-but-it-is-unlikely-to-attack-without-us-backing

[half heath]

Its crazy that everyone sees through the smoke and mirrors and still they try to create fake justification and go through with it again. Such a fucking sham.

[trim flicker]

yeah the sudden shift is really weird too cause up until recently things were looking up for a deal with Iran lol
Trump kept talking about it

[half heath]

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1fqfodxxx

'In a statement earlier this week, Iran’s Intelligence Ministry said: “The Ministry of Intelligence informs the Iranian people that a blow has been struck against the Zionist regime through an unprecedented intelligence operation. The operation obtained important and classified documents in a dynamic and secure operational environment. It recently concluded with the successful transfer of a vast quantity of documents to Iran. These documents are diverse in subject and of strategic, practical, research and scientific value. They include information on illegal and secret nuclear programs, including sites, research, and communications with American and European institutions.” '

[pale flower]

Hey what'd we say about war talk smh

[trim flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126326252517732362/1375529826060075178/ZOSA6CAD.gif

me pulling up my nuclear bomb

oh they did actually strike Iran

oh well

[hoary charm]

nothing ever happens bros i think we're taking an L

[half heath]

I don't want to give m0ds a hard time. Im not trying to break any server rules .

[pale flower]

That's alright just keep that conversation elsewhere is all

[half heath]

If ppl can be respectable it should be okay right

[pale flower]

No we've been there before LOL it literally never stays respectful

[hoary charm]

i mean that's the problem, certain people can't

[last eagle]

we had that thing before days ago and it resulted in heated debate

[pale flower]

The m0d team doesn't want to bother with it basically and I'm personally very biased so I'm purposefully keeping myself from commentating on it precisely to avoid more arguments

Honestly I just wanna go to sleep with the new cb coming out in like two hours 😭

[half heath]

That's fair I do get it. Kinda frustrating that almost every other topic we can be reasonably civil about but have to hold back on these ones.

[trim flicker]

tbf it's hard to be civil about what even caused the rule to exist

so 🤷‍♂️

[livid frigate]

was always going to happen

[half heath]

That's true

[trim flicker]

want us to calmly debate if people shouldn't be getting bombed to death everyday

[pale flower]

Man come on

You know you don't want me to be the active m0d for this shit that's why I'm asking you to stop

[trim flicker]

I won't push that

It's just frustrating it's all

[pale flower]

Man I'm up at 5 am

I think of the two of us I'm probably more frustrated atm LOL

[trim flicker]

congratulations?

[pale flower]

Have been up for the past two hours I just wanna sleep

[trim flicker]

isn't a competition

[pale flower]

It's not but we've also been over this

[radiant linden]

remod me gang 🥂

[pale flower]

This isn't the cord for that kind of conversation that's all

[brave pelican]

i dont see why any of this past convo had to be m0derated tbh

not like anyone says anything here of substance anyways

wheres lucifer when you need them

[trim flicker]

I'll say something substantial just you wait

[half heath]

nope always been cool to criticise governments, just gets sticky when attacks on i guess the whole of a country. We don't have to talk about it too much I just want to be clear where I stand

[brave pelican]

when the american civil war (II) breaks out i better not see shit from y'all

not a single thing

[livid frigate]

an imperialist state will always act violently

[trim flicker]

I didn't mean that to you btw but i get what you mean

[half heath]

genuine question what kind of substance are you expecting

[brave pelican]

hag wisdom

[radiant linden]

yeah more pretentious people in chat pls

[brave pelican]

its ok i get plenty from aoa cord

[eager parrot]

AOA cord is still alive??

[brave pelican]

that was a joke

[radiant linden]

no shot

[half heath]

man we deserve a space where we can be pretentious just like we deserve a space to meme and be silly

[brave pelican]

anyone on the bts teamspeak

[trim flicker]

im always pretentious

[hoary charm]

on the snsd ventrilo

[eager parrot]

There's a soshified IRC that's still alive

[brave pelican]

shudder

[eager parrot]

even though soshified shoutbox is dead

[eager parrot]

Still going to stay in that camp, just for two more weeks, nothing is happening.

Radiation maps don't show anything serious even after hits on nuclear facilities.

[brave pelican]

this convo is getting too dinosaur

[half heath]

if you are in loonacord you have to be okay with that

we all used to be young too in this same damn server 👴

[brave pelican]

one time i took a peek at the older discourse here

[half heath]

except grumpy

[brave pelican]

y'all really lost the sparkle in y'alls eyes 💔

[radiant linden]

this is real as hell

[trim flicker]

real i got no spark anymore

[eager parrot]

when you live through like 4 once in a century events every month...

it does that to your spark

[icy pine]

/guildtag

[radiant linden]

true^

[icy pine]

Hmm nothing happened

[radiant linden]

scam server

[agile wave]

https://discord.gg/b8CJmAJqwU

[brave pelican]

there are newer people in #loona-chat i think misc chat is just the retirement home

[pale flower]

Here you are

[radiant linden]

cause old people talk about serious thing and young people are hung up on a disbanded group

[half heath]

Yes I'm okay with the retirement home cause when I'm around the like kids born in 2011 I actually feel the passage of time

[trim flicker]

im the most serious in here imo

[radiant linden]

I think I'm clearly being the most serious

[icy pine]

o it happened

[radiant linden]

you just did it qrong

someone else did it for you

[icy pine]

ah

[trim flicker]

we're one in the same

[pale flower]

Yeah it's /commands use guildtag

[icy pine]

I don't know anything actually..

[pale flower]

No worries

[radiant linden]

its ok me neither

[brave pelican]

combinatorics

[trim flicker]

real

[brave pelican]

i am taking real analysis next semester

[radiant linden]

banger name

[icy pine]

oh

[pale flower]

I suck at maths so let's say it's 1-1

[icy pine]

That's super nice

[radiant linden]

danielheejinmatholympiadloonaluv

[brave pelican]

i dont want to take it

but its my last req for applied math...

[eager parrot]

you already took complex analysis?

[icy pine]

not yet ..

I should study real analysis first

[icy pine]

Yes lol

[eager parrot]

I really liked my complex analysis prof, but hated my real analysis prof

real analysis prof never gave any quiz or final exam, it was just 10 assignments worth 10% of the entire grade each

and course average was still like 64%

[brave pelican]

i am going to take the course pass/fail so i do not have to stress too much

it might be the hardest course at my uni

[icy pine]

Use math.stackexchange

it is very helpful

[brave pelican]

i've used that for my other maths yes

should be a swell time

[icy pine]

or AoPS, if you study math contest

[brave pelican]

nah my brain is not wired for that shit

then i'll do a PDEs class and graduate and call it a day

[icy pine]

oh

[eager parrot]

I don't even know why I bothered with all the maths

it never really helped me with anything else lol

[icy pine]

Math = LOONA

Math is loona manifesto

[radiant linden]

True^

[brave pelican]

the applied stuff is cool

[eager parrot]

applied stuff has been useful for programming at least

[hoary charm]

i didnt bother going to uni cause it needed extra stuff like maths

[brave pelican]

my favorite class was probably numerical analysis

[icy pine]

Have you studied Number theory?

[hoary charm]

in hindsight i probably should have

[brave pelican]

despite it being crazy as shit

[icy pine]

Major in Engineering?

[trim flicker]

i can count up until 24

[brave pelican]

math and environmental science

[icy pine]

Freshman?

[brave pelican]

nah im graduating soon

i've just been stalling on real analysis

[eager parrot]

leaving that for the end is quite the choice lol

[icy pine]

Rudin real analysis

[eager parrot]

I tried to leave all my GPA boosting upper electives for the end

[brave pelican]

well im doing it pass fail so it wont hurt anything

tbf i didnt add my math major until sophomore year

[icy pine]

Are you going to go graduate school?

[brave pelican]

that is in the air because

the US

[eager parrot]

well assuming you don't get drafted in the next two weeks, at least there are plenty of graduate program options out there 🙂

you might even go for something that is completely unrelated to your bachelor's

I did

[brave pelican]

trump beating the shit outta NSF rn

its a bad time to be applying for phd and etc

[eager parrot]

yeah you might end up even more of a graduate slave than usual with the lack of grants and funding

[dusky rapids]

real analysis is anal

i took that in my 2nd sem of uni and got over it early

but there's q a few good vids on the topic now on yt so it shd hopefully be manageable?

[blazing depot]

If anything they'd get drafted to be deployed inside the US anyway

[eager parrot]

as he said, Civil War (II)

[radiant linden]

awesome referne

[blazing depot]

They're already at the "Detain senators" phase atp
https://fixupx.com/MSNBC/status/1933245635139973133

MSNBC (@MSNBC)

BREAKING: Sen. Alex Padilla, D-Calif., speaks out after being forcibly removed and cuffed from DHS Sec. Noem's press conference.

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FixupX · Jun 12, 2025, 7:30 PM

[deft spoke]

damn i missed the good juice

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/FearedBuck/status/1933361689002434935?t=k6d49d327FpbQh6H4wbB9w&s=19

FearBuck (@FearedBuck)

Tyler Herro tells Adin Ross and Neon that he doesn’t believe in history before 1950 👀

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FxTwitter · Jun 13, 2025, 3:12 AM

?!

[half heath]

What a moron....

[marsh oracle]

"Damn cant name 1945 as the cutoff thats too obvious, lets go with 1950"

[blazing depot]

Time isn't real. Have YOU ever met anyone born before 1950???

[half heath]

Herro is the current best player on the Miami heat makes $31M next year

man US education is something...

actually it's just idiots being idiots

[marsh oracle]

Sports giving you a free path through education might have some consequences

[dire canopy]

so basketball right?

[half heath]

yeah NBA

[dire canopy]

little out of topic but why is there a deflating ball in their logo?

[half heath]

I don't understand which logo?

Btw another star player got a lot of criticism for saying similar stuff a couple years back. Im curious if Herro will get the same backlash. I hope he does

[dire canopy]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Miami_Heat_logo.svg/640px-Miami_Heat_logo.svg.png

[half heath]

that's a ball on fire lol

or I guess made of flames

[static creek]

Shoutout the 305

https://tenor.com/view/favorite-my-gif-18688266

[fossil basin]

His team's GM Pat Riley was born before 1950

[fossil basin]

not a big bar to achieve right now tbf

[oak lodge]

to be fair the world before the last great war was one unrecognisable by today's lens. It's easier for a non-thinker to just cut the fat

[fossil basin]

in the full video he also does not believe the moon landing

which is not before 1950

[oak lodge]

That I saw in the clip and I'm aware of the mistake he made

it's also probably why they said "wait..." at the very end

He's an idiot among some droolers

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/JacobRubashkin/status/1933256032605909489

Jacob Rubashkin (@JacobRubashkin)

4 Democrats didn’t vote and another 3 Democratic seats are vacant due to member deaths

Quoting Jamie Dupree (@jamiedupree)
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FxTwitter · Jun 12, 2025, 8:12 PM

[vital needle]

It always does, tbh, I was never show a single concrete instance of disrespect

Banning war talk makes sense because this is a kpop server after all but there is no need to invent a disrespect to justify it

It makes the ban less credible if anything because it' a blatantly false claim

[vital needle]

When I get too pretentious they hit mewith the " hmmm you aint european though sweatie" so I stopped

[eager parrot]

I see what you did there

[pale flower]

I mean I wasn't really talking about you when I said that, I guess it's better to phrase it as the conversation getting heated easily (because emotions are high on all sides)
The decision wasn't mine alone and we did all vote for the war talk ban (rather than no politics) after the m0d team brought up not wanting to m0d those arguments, so I wouldn't really say the ban is less credible for that, it was a group decision both within the team and this chatroom

I'm sorry if I made it sound like everyone was being disrespectful, just that iirc the conversations did get to name-calling, heated arguments and bad vibes at times

[lime spire]

Fake misc chat, I tried to talk about games but they said it wasn't news related, that's not miscellaneous at all😭

[brave pelican]

LOL

so real

[dreamy ledge]

https://discord.com/channels/482594344390623240/1022122099374051328

[thorny schooner]

#remodizzy2025

[proud tulip]

whats remo dizzy

[inland dawn]

Looking into getting into a new trade

[oak lodge]

remote disaster

[radiant linden]

to be clear my comment was in response to someone wanting "hag wisdom" or whatever in chat and very much a joke, don't put too much emphasis on the word more there lol

not tryna get dragged into whatever slop this is

that being said

remod me gang 🥂

[blazing depot]

So, anyone going to Dear Leader parade?

[last eagle]

someone actually made "good" version of iOS 26
https://fxtwitter.com/shitpost_2077/status/1933477944686530623

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FxTwitter · Jun 13, 2025, 10:53 AM

[dreamy ledge]

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/speaker-emerita-melissa-hortman-husband-killed-rep-john-hoffman-and-wife-also-shot/

[marsh oracle]

Damn

[dreamy ledge]

holy hell

"A list of other possible targets was retrieved from the suspect’s vehicle, authorities said. Police said the list had "many lawmakers," including the victims.

Security resources have been dispatched to protect those people named on the list, authorities said."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/2-minnesota-lawmakers-shot-targeted-incident-officials/story?id=122840751

[marsh oracle]

stochastic terrorism still going strong

[blazing depot]

No, no. You see, this wasn't terrorism, this was Joe Biden getting back at the Democrats. - Trump, probably

[marsh oracle]

They really painted the parade tanks back to green from desert brown, prep for invading greenland?

[fossil basin]

fallout would say Canada

[eager parrot]

should have painted them white then, green is for Canada

[marsh oracle]

Its literally called greenland and trump is president

[marsh oracle]

https://fxtwitter.com/Acyn/status/1934018536571371719

Acyn (@Acyn)

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FxTwitter · Jun 14, 2025, 10:42 PM

I dont even know anymore man

[last eagle]

...

what even is this unserious military anymore lol

[half heath]

So many parodies of late stage capitalism are invalid now cause its just reality

[blazing depot]

lmao

Truly amazing

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/whstancil/status/1934041328200917467?t=2O_S9nOyYQRn_Vdx6Ff4fA&s=19

Will Stancil (@whstancil)

Despite the many conspiracy theories circulating about the assassin today as a consequence of him having served on one of the state's many small, bipartisan business councils under Walz, the question of his political affiliations is not remotely difficult to answer.

X · Jun 15, 2025, 12:12 AM

People really did the "Uhm actually he's a Democrat" thing, huh

Also two separate incidents of dudes driving their pickup trucks into crowds at No King protests

[eager parrot]

fascinating times

one of the best times to live in states where nothing ever happens though

I hear Wyoming's nice this time of the year

[trim flicker]

they always try to pretend it's not a right winger

its so funny

[marsh oracle]

Only spin possible tbh

They also tried doing it before that appointment was even know, because theres no other way to make this look less bad for them

[trim flicker]

its always the same thing

including with shootings where they often desperately try to grab anything, sometimes try to paint a narrative about the shooter possibly being trans or whatever

and its almost always the same profile of an insane right winger

[eager parrot]

A majority of times, sure, but I wouldn't go as far as 'almost always'

especially when it comes to mass casualty or mass shooting events

[half heath]

weird thing is it never matters

like its never lead to any actual action against the rhetoric of right wingers

[eager parrot]

I'm not sure there IS anything you could do against it

not under the American justice system

[half heath]

Socially and financially there used to be consequences. Even legally defamation and libel laws used to mean something. You got MSM and social media in the US just spreading blatant propaganda with seemingly no standards. But yea currently it seems there really is nothing that matters.

I had more to say but honestly it doesn't matter. Impressed by the people who showed out yesterday. Things don't look good but at least we're all in the same boat and not crazy.

[blazing depot]

Do the Republicans very actively persecuting liberals rn know that

Freedom of speech only matters to them when it's for poor nazis, those poor lost souls

[half heath]

I actually am starting to understand why leftists hate liberalism. It feels like playing a game on the 2nd controller that's not plugged in.

[hoary charm]

what exactly do you expect democrats to do when they don't hold a majority

[half heath]

That's what I'm saying though, how did all those career politicians let the majority happen. While they played by the rules the other side cheated without any consequences. Like where do you go from there?

[blazing depot]

That's a problem for any democracy, it only works as long as you don't have a significant portion of the people involved not playing by the rules

[hoary charm]

and your suggestion is to also go batshit insane and go further to the left

[half heath]

I don't have a suggestion

I just don't really understand how you work with a system that's corruptible

[hoary charm]

i dont think its possible to have a system that's immune to corruption

[half heath]

I think there are ways to minimise it

[blazing depot]

Plenty of corrupt Dems there for that matter

[half heath]

yes for sure

And honestly I think my country going in the same direction slowly

[blazing depot]

Only if you actually persecute it, which has never been a thing in the US

what do you think lobbying is

[hoary charm]

there's no question that the democrats have failed but no one is willing to discuss in good faith why and how trump appealed

[half heath]

that's what im saying, the system isn't made to let it self be regulated

[blazing depot]

And yes, essentially everyone who takes anything from or does anything for any of the lobbyists in Washington is quintessentially corrupt

Just at different levels

[half heath]

its like a software that basically can't be patched without risking even more bugs

[half heath]

Wdym? Who are the bad faith ppl who talk about it?

I place a large part of the blame on Mitch McConnell

[hoary charm]

my point is that when people start talking about what draws people to trump and the right, it's brushed off and dismissed as "oh they're just <insert a dozen -isms>"

which sure in 99% of cases is true

but why are they that way

[half heath]

You know what I say to that? Lack of education first and foremost thats been strategically dismantled

you probably also mean the economy

[hoary charm]

yes things like that

rural areas that got fucked by manufacturing going overseas like he "campaigned" on

[half heath]

For sure, and that allowed the republicans to get voted in to do the dismantling

[hoary charm]

shit lets not ignore the fact that last year he grew his latino voter base on immigration

but no its all just the whites that want the browns out

[half heath]

Im talking about more historically as well cause it doesn't feel like a few terms worth of problems

[hoary charm]

social media, algorithms, propaganda, astroturfing have all fried millions over the last decade+ also, its definitely not an overnight thing

[half heath]

But okay even with outsourcing, US economy boomed. The problem is how the boom was managed. It wasnt taxed in a way that allowed them to invest in things like education and research that is needed for the shift to a service economy

Like we can't pretend that the US is hurting for money

[hoary charm]

"but the economy is good" doesn't help people who are still struggling

[half heath]

That's what I'm saying

they didn't prioritise taxing and reinvesting

To be honest the more I think about it, none of it is really sustainable cause assholes ruin everything

[hoary charm]

yeah i don't know shit about how the US taxes things so cant really comment on that, seems like a massive mess with states doing their own thing then federal their own

[half heath]

It feels like a vicious cycle. Lower class upset about quality of life, okay then invest in them, you can't invest in them because of lobbyists and businesses threatening to leave the country, You can't stop lobbyists because they fund the parties, you can't change the system because the parties are bought. Because of all that your quality of life gets worse and the elite use msm to convince you the real problem is trans ppl in sports so you and the other lower class guys fight to pick which party to pick thinking there is gonna be change but nope.

So like how do you even use liberalism to change it

Also for what its worth i don't think communism is an answer either lol just cause that always seemed too much like utopian thinking

At this point though even true democracy feels like a utopian idea

[hoary charm]

🤓 ☝️ the us was never a true democracy in the first place

[half heath]

lol im saying like as an alternative

[hoary charm]

yeah idk, the lack of options other than blue/red seems like a major issue

then again i've only ever voted for a minor party that's never made it into parliament so

[half heath]

LOL

btw I actually like doing worldbuilding writing. I've been experimenting with an idea for a government that works bottom up in terms of authority. Its not completely fleshed out and has issues of its own but I think thinking radically without losing the plot has some merit

what usually gets in the way the most is Money

cause even if you have checks on powers you need checks on checks of powers and then repeat that infinitely cause money will corrupt every time

[fossil basin]

a great Poppy song

[marsh oracle]

https://fxtwitter.com/ElizLanders/status/1934018229661565431 china is gonna hear the squeaking across the pacific smh

Elizabeth Landers (@ElizLanders)

Rolling through Constitution Ave #Army250

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FxTwitter · Jun 14, 2025, 10:40 PM

[proud tulip]

lmaoooo

[hoary charm]

the coinbase ads really top it all off

[last eagle]

https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1933898651866370073?t=Tm11wofu7XI9WGBY8F6OBQ&s=19

PoliticsVideoChannel (@politvidchannel)

BREAKING: Epstein's secret photos of Donald Trump with young girls may have been found, potentially forcing Congress to impeach and remove him.

X · Jun 14, 2025, 2:45 PM

[valid magnet]

Yeah sure and pigs can fly

Watch people saying that those are AI generated

[vital needle]

What's utopian about it?

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[vital needle]

Oh hey the idiot crew came over to impede any type of actual conversation

What a surprise

[blazing depot]

Now that's just rude, smh.

[vital needle]

Yes.

What did you and schmali expect when you pull this stunt anytime I say anything?

It's just silly and annoying

If whatever I say os so self evidently wrong it should be possible for you to say anything other than "youre not european" or "nuh huh" like you usually do

I know youre old and ideologically opposed to learning anything but there might be value in actually knowing what communism is instead of rejecting a strawman made from your hurt feelings

Maybe shuffle believes in learning as well even if you don't

[marsh oracle]

Tbh i have no clue where this "youre not european" thing even is from

[vital needle]

Maybe you werent here then

Idr when you joined

[marsh oracle]

But for the rest, i went through my debating communism phase like 10 years ago when i randomly stumbled into some monster hunter youtubers discord with a politics channel full of nazis

Ive defended those strawmen lol

[vital needle]

Congratulations for you I guess

Doesnt mean I am acting in bad faith for having opinions you dont agree with

[marsh oracle]

Nah it was a waste of time

Theyre still nazis pretty sure

If you wanna debate communism with the one you originally responded to feel free

[ocean vigil]

do you actually expect people from countries that spent significant amount of time under communist party rule to engage with you when you say stuff like that?

[vital needle]

Random gaming youtuber has a nazi dizcord who woulda guessed

[vital needle]

I dont give a single solitary piece of feces about what people from these countriea think, yes

You happy?

[marsh oracle]

I mean i didnt spend any time under communist rule and also think arguing that communism is bad because the ussr was bad isnt all that

[vital needle]

Whatever your grandmother told you about her life isnt the end all be all of political philosophy

If you wanna be offended by that be my guest

[vital needle]

Agreed that' why I asked "why do you think communism is utopian", it is a purely theoretical question

[ocean vigil]

My sisters were born under russian occupation, my mother could not study at university because of communist party, but sure, go ahead and dismiss all that and wonder why people don't talk with you

[marsh oracle]

I think debating communism is pretty fruitless cause you run into ever changing definitions, singular explanations for some concepts that dont really fit together and of course the problem that whatever you debate would probably crumble under reality and problems you didnt even consider

[ocean vigil]

Because like it or not, how it looked in practice is big part of why people think it's utopian

[vital needle]

Thats why I asked for his definition, I agree with your sentiment so far

[marsh oracle]

But of course its a free discord channel 🦅 , if the person you originally responded to is down for it or thinks they would learn something, go for it

[vital needle]

Your family is not the center of the universe and I understand that you may dislike the word communism but my main point was to ask another person (not you) what they think communism means

[marsh oracle]

Theyre probably sleeping rn anyway

[vital needle]

My anger is not about people not talking to me which would be fine, it is about people who arent even involced in the original conversation bitching that I am bad faith for no reason other than they dont like me

I cant debate or provide any analysis on your mom's biography

[marsh oracle]

I dont think anybody did that here

[vital needle]

You did it just the last week

[marsh oracle]

Baiting people into a long debate isnt being bad faith

[fair trellis]

this server is pure cancer now

[vital needle]

Been for a while bro

[marsh oracle]

Yep

Oh they left the server, rip

[ocean vigil]

never saw an add on any of my kindles

and I am 100% sure the first one was the version that should have had them

[marsh oracle]

My kindle gotta be like 5 years old now, doubt it is even capable

[ocean vigil]

i had the original paperwhite

and last year i upgraded to the water proof one

[rancid arch]

Ok wtf happened this time

[marsh oracle]

I still prefer paper books tbh

[ocean vigil]

i still have plenty of those

[safe ferry]

tldr is that loona 1/3 commies terrible photoshop jumpy

[marsh oracle]

Book shelves look cool tho

[fair trellis]

bro agrees with me while I pretty much called him cancer

[marsh oracle]

LMAO

[ocean vigil]

I do most of my reading during travels

and ereader is just so much better at that

so the paper ones are just sitting at the shelf looking pretty

[fair trellis]

still burned out from reading Dune and Dune Messiah that I didn't touch a book in a year lol

shame cause I really wanna continue The Expanse

[marsh oracle]

I ordered the iliad, the odyssey and journey to the west but have barely touched them

Relatable

Although ive accepted that i just drop some books and its fine

[proud tulip]

this is something i needed to accept too

[hoary charm]

book readers 🤝 steam sale enthusiasts

[marsh oracle]

Some books i will make time for like shogun and some i just dont care about enough like this long ass scifi series #74

[ocean vigil]

i am way better at reading what I want compared to playing what I bought

[marsh oracle]

I barely buy games tbh

[ocean vigil]

well the steam sales are not what they used to be

[hoary charm]

true 😔

[marsh oracle]

I latch into games really hard and ive been stuck rotating between 3 different games for years lmao

Occasionally something pulls me out like expedition 33

[proud tulip]

game of the century

[blazing depot]

Honestly... most of my favorite authors kinda just all died eventually. I should really branch out, but alas...

[last eagle]

Speaking of ads YouTube is planning to do longer unskippable ads

[marsh oracle]

But most of the time its ffxiv/tft/wow for a few months at a time

[safe ferry]

i started reading books with cats involved to relax my brain till i fix my attention span and it works pretty well so far

[blazing depot]

Are there many cat related novels?

[marsh oracle]

Garfield

Hes just like me fr fr

[blazing depot]

Actually even my favorite all time author had cat novels

RIP, Terry

Garfield comics are great, but idk of they're the thing to fix attention spans

They're basically the paper version of shorts when you think about it

Mangas at least tell overarching stories

Garfield comics are essentially just comic strip collections

[proud tulip]

im reading Berserk atm

i knew it was dark but never knew it was this dark

jesus

[ocean vigil]

kek

[blazing depot]

Berserk too grimdark for my taste

[hoary charm]

thats the series that dark souls etc is based on isnt it

[marsh oracle]

I finished jjk recently that shit was so mid

[blazing depot]

I just don't enjoy reading Manga in electronic form, personally

[marsh oracle]

Manga prices are ridiculous here so im not buying everything

Buchpreisgesetz

[blazing depot]

Back in my day moment

[deft spoke]

dude lowkey, ive been trying to look for spiderman comics (i do read books dwdw) but theyre so incredibly expensive for some reason lol

[marsh oracle]

I tried getting into marvel comics a few years back but i think it just isnt for me idk

[deft spoke]

we've got a small old school comic store in the city, but majority is dutch printing or simply modern pressing, i'm looking for those typical paperback comics but unfortunately no luck here

[marsh oracle]

Holy

[deft spoke]

whattt

insane

[blazing depot]

Early Manga prints in Germany were sorta all low prints

Except the really popular shit

[ocean vigil]

I just occasionaly buy random stuff

[deft spoke]

thats nice though! i really hope to get a magazine rack one day to display some comic in the living room

think ive got a random batman as well, but its somewhere in a random moving box

[safe ferry]

japanese ones, yes

they play around with them as spirits

based on their folklore

[blazing depot]

Curious

[marsh oracle]

still remember the GoT books being split into 2 german books each and still sold for 15 bucks

actual scam

[blazing depot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Maurice_and_His_Educated_Rodents

Pratchett cat

More humorous take I'd say

[blazing depot]

They do that for pretty much everything to push out releases faster cause proper translation takes time... AND to scam people

English wheel of Time novels split into 3 volumes be like

[ocean vigil]

I hate dealing with translations

Especially for stuff where it changes between editions

Or the main translator changes during a long book series

[blazing depot]

Lotr original translation was best, got worse in later editions

God knows why they changed things

[safe ferry]

publishing houses be like that

[blazing depot]

That was easier said than done before widespread ebooks

[ocean vigil]

older sisters working in the uk during a summer was cheatcode for that

[blazing depot]

Or Amazon for that matter

[blazing depot]

Yeah, that'll do it

[ocean vigil]

they have brought home so many books

[blazing depot]

Let's just say the availability of German totally legit and definitely not pirated ebooks is rather limited

[safe ferry]

another cheat code is thrifing the german translated books because there aren't a lot of people that buy it so it's cheap af

[blazing depot]

And German ebooks are just as ridiculously priced as regular ones

[safe ferry]

what is ana's archive i wonder

[blazing depot]

Of course, that's what I said

[safe ferry]

gotta give my props to researchgate users that post paywalled studies for free on the website

[blazing depot]

Paywalling science, smh

[safe ferry]

yep, they go for like 1500 euro at minimum if u want a study in romania's pharma marketing situation

[blazing depot]

Yep, for absolutely no good reason

[safe ferry]

defeats its purpose of winning over the physical market tbh

[ocean vigil]

just let me buy both at once for a slightly more

[blazing depot]

That would be smart though and you know, too convenient

[safe ferry]

wasn't that their marketing strategy at first? 😭 on top of being convieninet while doing tasks or commuting to work

[blazing depot]

Maybe for Amazon it was

When they wanted to sell their Kindles

[half heath]

Oh man... what did i do.. Its too early for that talk. I'll dm him later

[fossil basin]

not going to lie, i am NOT one to backread

i get confused myself where i was left in and lose the plot

[last eagle]

https://twitter.com/IndieGamesOoC/status/1934143649379447275?t=Y1vmvbpRVWFubOZLW9wHIQ&s=19

Video Games Out of Context 🏳️‍⚧️🇵🇸 (@IndieGamesOoC...

Persona 5

X · Jun 15, 2025, 6:59 AM

[last eagle]

@charred fulcrum this situation is ironic https://fxtwitter.com/ellieraki/status/1934483851298119687/en

Tera✧ (@ellieraki)

📑 Translated from language_in

It's so funny how hypocritical it is, using AI but demanding copyright. Once this is defended, the illustrators whose work was stolen for the AI ​​database are all keeping quiet

Original text
Lucu banget hipokritnya, make ai kok nuntut hak cipta. Sekali ginian dibela, illustrator yang karyanya dicuri buat database ai kok pada diam diam aja

Quoting Mardani Mardani (@JawirriggaHood)
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Gambar AI minta hak cipta jirr 🥴🗿

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FxTwitter · Jun 16, 2025, 5:31 AM

lol

[charred fulcrum]

njir

kampret lo

udah pake AI lagi mau "copyright" otak sigma

[last eagle]

common knowledge

[charred fulcrum]

Bro had the audacity to "oh no but that's my content"

[last eagle]

he would've copystrike all those tungtungsahur content makers

the irony...

[charred fulcrum]

So almost 40% of kpop tiktok

yeah good luck with that

[last eagle]

at least the creator want permissions to be used

but yea he would've known better

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/viraldrizzy/status/1934412688182185987

Viral Drake (@viraldrizzy)

Canadian politician Jagmeet Singh issues a public apology to Drake.

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FxTwitter · Jun 16, 2025, 12:48 AM

[radiant linden]

remod me gang 🥂

[haughty steppe]

You fool

[half heath]

Jagmeets apology is really embarrassing

Anybody who'd equate going to a Kendrick concert as not putting Canada first doesnt deserve an apology. Politics are such a shitshow. So worried about the influence of a popstar they apologise for doing something fun on their free time.

It'd be reasonable if Kendricks politics were actually anti Canadian

[marsh oracle]

https://fxtwitter.com/ComicDaveSmith/status/1934651668097892761 maga breakup?

Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith)

According to Netanyahu and other sources, Trump had full prior knowledge of Israel’s attack and gave it his blessing while pretending to be negotiating with the Iranians as a cover.
︀︀
︀︀If this is true, then the US is already at war with Iran as we facilitated an aggressive sneak attack by our “proxy”
︀︀with our weapons.
︀︀
︀︀Tucker Carlson (who I trust a hell of a lot more than Netanyahu) told Steve Bannon that he knows for a fact that this isn’t true. He claims that Witkoff and Trump were negotiating in good faith and wanted to avoid this war and reach an agreement.
︀︀
︀︀If this is true, Trump is the most impotent bitch of a leader imaginable. He’s allowing one side of a war, who clearly wants to drag us in, to lie about our involvement while not correcting the record.
︀︀
︀︀Either way, Trump has betrayed MAGA and every principle of America First. He is no longer worthy of any of our support. He probably never was.

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FxTwitter · Jun 16, 2025, 4:37 PM

Who couldve known that the guy that ripped up the iran nuclear deal would be bad for iran?

[eager parrot]

This is what he said earlier on FOX. "Well, I hope there's going to be a deal," Trump said. "I think it's time for a deal, and we'll see what happens. But sometimes they have to fight it out. But we're going to see what happens. I think there's a good chance there will be a deal."

Essentially "I hope both sides have fun, then we can talk."

[marsh oracle]

aka american weapons will flatten iran until they give up

[eager parrot]

They haven't given all the fun stuff to Israel anyway, most of that can only be used by the US.

[marsh oracle]

yea but it should be more than enough

[eager parrot]

So unless it escalates to US involvement, it's just going to turn into a turn-based bomb and missile lobbing daily scheme.

[marsh oracle]

the last middle eastern russian backed regime that got into trouble got absolutely nothing from russia so im not sure iran will either

[eager parrot]

Syria was already a failed state for over a decade before Assad's regime finally fell.

Maybe by 2030 Iran will undergo real changes.

maga breakup
but this is a good thing

no political side should ever be one monolith of thought.

a lot of the elected and appointed politicians putting Israel above US interests in the latest comments they've made really have shown their hands to the general supporters who didn't realize the extent of the dual loyalties in this country anyway.

to start with, those who identify as conservative usually are more diverse in ideology and thought anyway according to research published research (which I think headlines from was posted here earlier) https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjso.12665

not that I expect any of this to result in any meaningful change until the boomer voting bloc disappears...

[marsh oracle]

i would have loved to see a comparison to pre covid or even pre trump times

[eager parrot]

pre trump would have been an excellent contrast yeah

[marsh oracle]

the dataset is from 2020 so its also not fully post covid but still

ever since covid especially i feel like every event is surrounded by really strange conspiracies from right leaning figures

[eager parrot]

like 2008 to 2015 had extremes on the right but most of them were pretty tame in comparison to today (or maybe they were just hiding their thoughts I don't know)

[marsh oracle]

Speaking of diversity of thought among conservatives: one of the funniest recent social media trends has been seeing conservatives get into arguments with AI chatbots, mostly grok

[fossil basin]

why do people trust the US president?

[marsh oracle]

They have to fight so hard to get it to ever agree with their version of reality

Maybe our AI overlords will reveal that reality really does have a liberal bias

[fossil basin]

like in any accord? Biden has presented he was trying to step for a ceasefire when reports came in from the US press that they never tried a step

politicians lie, idk why people thought Trump was the peace candidate

[marsh oracle]

This has zero to do with the office of the us president

These people are trump simps

[ruby helm]

the peaceful dove, trump, who doesn't want taxpayer money wasted on forever wars

[fossil basin]

I was quite surprised that many conservatives thought Trump genuinely wanted to not intervene to create his own sphere of influence through puppet regimes

[fossil basin]

I agree, I cannot claim that I know everything everywhere at once

[brave pelican]

Tucker Carlson (who I trust a hell of a lot more than Netanyahu)

[marsh oracle]

Yea nobody claimed this guy was smart lmfao

Proper dumbass but still a thought leader in the movement

[brave pelican]

its just a really funny comp

[ruby helm]

you have different factions of conservative, the trump aligned who want less immigration, the elon ones who want more immigration cause it benefits big companies, the ones who want more spent on a big beautiful army, the ones who want less spent on the army and tax cuts, and so on

[fossil basin]

battle of ass

[half heath]

I've seen this its hilarious cause they ask these leading questions trying to get the answer they want but the bot always does a good job of just stating the truth.

Its crazy cause seeing how the Canadian government responded to it, I feel pretty confident that if it was a Democratic admin, Im not sure there would be as many people speaking out about not getting involved.

I've seen what Bernie has said, but before this he was oddly pretty supportive of one side that contrasted to his image of understanding the desires of the public.

[half heath]

Wait i just realised its probably because some of the cons are Russian sponsored so they might want to stop Irans infrastructure getting destroyed

[fossil basin]

I just do not want civilians to die

idk about other people's motivations

[blazing depot]

Well... shit outta luck on that front.

[fossil basin]

I am still free to want things that are not possible, preparing for worst while aiming the best is a worthy position to reside

[brave pelican]

no one is saying otherwise

[blazing depot]

Peak meme usage

[last eagle]

https://fxtwitter.com/Dexerto/status/1934668684389134435

Dexerto (@Dexerto)

AI ‘ASMR’ videos are now starting to go viral

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FxTwitter · Jun 16, 2025, 5:45 PM

[blazing depot]

People do be eating up slop

As if real ASMR weren't terrible enough

[last eagle]

https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1934737860445569218

Pop Crave (@PopCrave)

‘Lilo & Stitch’ actor David Hekili Kenui Bell has passed away, his family confirms.

X · Jun 16, 2025, 10:20 PM

[deft spoke]

rest in peace 🙏

[fossil basin]

never said one did

[hoary charm]

speaking of never

nothing ever happens

remember that

[blazing depot]

True, there's a lot of nothing happening these days

[rancid arch]

apparently Justin Bieber snapped? He's posting weird asf things on Instagram, him posting drugs and shit now

[blazing depot]

Snapped again you mean

Hardly the first time

[rancid arch]

yea tbf i don't keep track of this news, just heard it on the radio this morning

he's really struggling or so

[blazing depot]

Probably broke up with Hailey or something

[rancid arch]

no idea

vague stuff

whatsapp downfall, finally

[blazing depot]

At least they said it's not in chats

So... idk where they'll plaster them

tbh it's not like shit like Line or whatever is any better

[last eagle]

whatsapp is the core messengers here

so rip us

yea

[rancid arch]

i always hated whatsapp

[last eagle]

signal is from what

[hoary charm]

on signal you are clean on opsec

[last eagle]

what if discord becoming new whatsapp

[blazing depot]

And, you know. Literally all the nazis

[last eagle]

oh wait-

[blazing depot]

Every single major reveal and/or scandal in the past years in our neck of the woods had direct connections to Telegram communication

It's what they use when they don't want everything to be seen like on twt

Either way though

Picking the "no really, the Russian government can totally not read all this, trust" app over the "no really, the US government can totally not read all this, trust" app is not an option for me

Not even in these times

[marsh oracle]

So youre a "trump flew home early to play golf" guy?

Its either that or bombing teheran i guess

[blazing depot]

Bro was just bored and didn't wanna meet Selenskyi without his mouthpieces setup like he had in the WH

[hoary charm]

the pentagon pizza index has been up and down all week so maybe there finally is a happening

[blazing depot]

Wdym, he would never do that. He told a city of 9 million people to casually evacuate for fun.

[hoary charm]

yeah thats where it started, mocking him

[blazing depot]

Boy, I love living in interesting times

[hoary charm]

he's literally just "chud" personified

[hoary charm]

grok is this true

[fossil basin]

https://www.nme.com/news/film/kate-bush-announces-release-of-self-directed-animated-short-film-little-shrew-3870113

[dusky rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-elsa-into-the-unknown-disney-queen-gif-15226264

[hoary charm]

everything is stuff

[blazing depot]

Remember, no one is directly involved in anything

[pale flower]

Well not yet

[brave pelican]

I’m involved

[blazing depot]

I think this is a rules friendly version of the state of things
https://youtube.com/shorts/8oCGwV-PHpk?si=WaJ27EykdpHCXhhw

[valid magnet]

oh how polite of them

[fossil basin]

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/ariana-grande-grandma-death-99-1236001529/

[last eagle]

on a lighter note:
https://fxtwitter.com/lordylucious/status/1934922716601307384

LordyLucious (@lordylucious)

CHINA MADE A NEW 3D TOM AND JERRY MOVIE?!

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▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Jun 17, 2025, 10:34 AM

[marsh oracle]

We gotta preserve his writing style in an llm

This takes me out (not kill!)

[haughty steppe]

kill!

[trim flicker]

(kill!)

[haughty steppe]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/baby-brain-dead-pregnant-woman-kept-alive-abortion-law-delivered-famil-rcna213558

i love america where women are treated as incubators

[eager parrot]

I don't know how to feel about that one honestly. Calling her an incubator in this case seems a bit harsh. Keeping her alive against her family's wishes because of abortion laws is obviously abhorrent, but being able to give birth to the child she was already carrying has to at least be bittersweet for the surviving family members, right?

I wonder if there has been cases of pregnant women who suffer brain death and the family want to keep the child alive but healthcare system/hospital/doctors refuse to.

[haughty steppe]

the child was born incredibly prematurely

if he survives he'll have health issues for the rest of his life

calling her an incubator is reality

that's what she was treated as

and no one deserves to have anything done to their body without explicit consent or power of attorney

[eager parrot]

Fair, didn't see the part about the baby being c-sectioned at only 26-27 weeks

[haughty steppe]

not to mention her death could've been avoided completely

[eager parrot]

wonderfully terrible healthcare system we have 😔

[haughty steppe]

medical practitioners love taking women seriously

[fossil basin]

she is not being called one, but the state treated her as one

the family did not want her to forcibly be treated as one

we have increasing amount of governments that want to treat women as incubators

without ever providing for anyone after they are born

[radiant linden]

man

[fossil basin]

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/tyler-perry-sued-over-sexual-harassment-allegations-241785413914

https://people.com/anne-burrell-food-network-star-dies-at-55-11756639

[fossil basin]

I am devastated

[last eagle]

https://apnews.com/article/indonesia-mount-lewotobi-laki-laki-volcano-eruption-04de50256887dab865c39b79aea7e198

got alerted by this news by now bc of the @dramaalert posted it

damn

[fossil basin]

hopefully there is not a casualty toll

[half heath]

What a strange time where Tucker Carlson is speaking the most sense I've seen in a while

[haughty steppe]

crazy world

[fossil basin]

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-hiv-prevention-drug-prep-lenacapavir-rcna208387

[livid frigate]

i think this drug just got approved too

[marsh oracle]

Eh hes in the general area but hes still not willing to criticize trump for ripping up the iran nuclear deal that already existed

[half heath]

Im not really expecting much from him, but whatever his motivations are at least its not the full on same message that both parties are trying to spread.

[blazing depot]

You're saying that like Tucker isn't instantly gonna switch to agreeing with whatever Trump decides once it happens

Bro is a piece of shit that occasionally pretends to have critical thinking to seem more credible

[half heath]

yes like i said I'm not expecting much from him

he's a grifter and most likely funded by some other foreign party

I don't believe his stances are ever real

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/hashim0307/status/1935419804912955491

hash (@hashim0307)

Trump is talking about bombing Iran with the Juventus squad standing in the background.

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FxTwitter · Jun 18, 2025, 7:30 PM

[valid magnet]

Awkward

[brave pelican]

mckennie and weah lol

[half heath]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/russia-warns-us-not-help-israel-militarily-against-iran-2025-06-18/

this is probably who is giving Tucker his notes

[fossil basin]

Trump wants to make Fallout universe into reality, issue is kinda that

[pale flower]

Takes two to tango and all that jazz

[half heath]

very simplified

[fossil basin]

true, but is not entirely wrong

their intent on invading canada/mexico and making greenland a US province has to kinda remind one that

[half heath]

I think trumps threats are mostly to strong arm Iran to accept whatever deal he wants. But I think its too late. They will try to replace the decision makers by force. Im not confident a ceasefire will happen without a change in leadership in Iran.

[fossil basin]

I do not think any ceasefire will happen without a change in leadership in the US

and not a likely change at that

[eager parrot]

How did that work out for the US with the last dozen or so regime changes?

[half heath]

both the dems and the republicans have been saying the same things in regards to joining the conflict

[eager parrot]

20 years to replace Taliban with younger, better trained, better armed Taliban

[fossil basin]

hence "not a likely change at that"

[half heath]

for US and the parties they represent probably pretty well. For the countries they interfere in never any good

[eager parrot]

I don't know about that.

What's really funny is Trump going back on all his campaign words and promises right now

and not a single prominent democratic figure is cashing in on his gaffes

[fossil basin]

they are busy dying of old age

[eager parrot]

really tells you all you need to know about the two party system when it comes to the sandbox

[half heath]

I'm saying even if kamala was in office we'd probably be here but maybe a little more delayed

[fossil basin]

I did not try to say kamala as a "change"

[fossil basin]

I do agree with your point here that we'd be at a similar point there

[eager parrot]

"What If's" are irrelevant at this point.

[fossil basin]

not untrue, but yeah, in a conversation they can be mentioned

[eager parrot]

What we are seeing is widespread agreement across the political spectrum in the US despite general populace opposition

[fossil basin]

an appropriate amount though

[half heath]

then a "change in leadership in US" you are suggesting is just like a fantasy?

[fossil basin]

yes, the Mariah song

I did not say it had a big chance of happening

it's like saying Teddy needs to retire from music related activities for YG/Black Label groups to have some chance making interesting music, it is a probability he might, but not a realistic chance he does

[marsh oracle]

Im down to say we wouldnt be here if hillary had won

[eager parrot]

Yeah we'd be here in 2018 if Hillary had won.

[fossil basin]

madam president!!!

[half heath]

[marsh oracle]

Hillary was pretty in favor of the nuclear agreement with iran

[fossil basin]

I am a little suspectible to girlboss propoganda, not saying i would want hillary to be president, but my view on the hillary and kamala campaigns vs biden one was... different

[eager parrot]

yeah I was only partially joking, even though she was a warhawk, she was unlikely to rip up the agreement that Obama had signed with Iran.

[fossil basin]

not too much to overlook or rewrite a fantasy filled with glitter

[eager parrot]

This is all of Trump's own making

ripping up the agreement directly led to where we are today.

And if you want to go back way further, this is also all the US's own fault, from the 1953 coup in Iran to put their monarch back in charge and get rid of the democratic government, to not intervening in the Iranian revolution and Iran-Iraq war, etc. etc. etc.

[half heath]

Probably some differences idk. I just know US rely on imperialism so whether its where we are now or some other conflict thats more digestible, it would be inevitable

[eager parrot]

Imperialism really is the key here.

[half heath]

All I know is they arent messing with anyone who already has nukes

[eager parrot]

No one really cares about the nukes, that’s just marketing like Iraq's WMD nonsense.

Also the centrifuges are too deep, all you can do is hit the entrances, collapse maybe 60 meters of the tunnels, and hit the power stations to delay it.

They could do a specop commando op, but they won’t.

[marsh oracle]

nah israel definitely cares about the nukes

and that means israels allies have to care

[eager parrot]

What this has been about forever is getting rid of the Iranian regime which is a major security threat to Israel via proxies. Israel wants the U.S. to help with regime change.

They put this plan in motion at least 20-25 years ago.

[half heath]

Israel has nukes though, no country is suicidally nuking another no matter the differences

[eager parrot]

Not an actual invasion I think Israel understands by now that the U.S. military can no longer do prolonged wars, but it could still pummel the regime until it falls apart from internal pressures.

[marsh oracle]

if i was in israels shoes i wouldnt trust a country glorifying martyrdom to stick to that rule

[eager parrot]

The IAF is too small to do it on their own and it’s the only serious combat branch of their armed services.

[marsh oracle]

in reality no country really wants iran to have nukes

not even iran

[eager parrot]

Yes, but this just reinforces it for everybody that if you don't have nukes, you have no deterrence.

I fully expect nuclear programs to pop up all over the place now with actual intent to get nukes.

[half heath]

idk if I believe this reasoning when Irans been dealing with Israel hostilities and refused to do anything about it. They've had multiple people assassinated

[fossil basin]

I do not really want any country to have nukes, but yeah this is also true, so idk how to exactly feel on overall countries possessing nuclear arsenals

[marsh oracle]

should have supported ukraine harder when they gave up theirs for security guarantees

[fossil basin]

definitely

[eager parrot]

Taiwan and South Korea both also had nuclear programs that they gave up because of US asking them.

What I don't understand is how are bombing runs going to cause regime change in a country with a population of 90+ million? The only country it worked on was Libya which is a lot smaller, and it's been a failed state of warlords since.

Do you really want a country the size of Iran given its central location to be a fully failed balkanized state? I wish I could ask US and Israeli politicians that.

[half heath]

maybe its to make the replacements more malleable

they can see how bad it will get if they don't bow down

[half heath]

I don't think US really care of repercussions as long as they meet their strategic goals

[marsh oracle]

so the regime did change

[eager parrot]

yes in a country of 8 million

[marsh oracle]

israel isnt really concerned about lifting up some democratic force, their primary aim is not getting rocketed from 3 sides

[eager parrot]

They've done a great job with their appeal for the past few years.

well enough from me, gotta head home. hope the world's still around by christmas.

[marsh oracle]

[half heath]

Do you actually believe this when it was a preemptive strike under false claims?

[dusky rapids]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/israel-iran-attack-nuclear-weapons-damage-north-korea-5183166
i read this a few days ago, thought it was a fair take on this

[marsh oracle]

i consider iran and isreal to have been at war for years. i dont think it was a preemptive strike for some kind of newly imminent threat but an act to weaken iran and their offensive capabilities.

[marsh oracle]

trump really cant get enough grief for fucking it up again between the iran nuclear deal, moving the us embassy in israel amplifying the border protests/great march of return and then the abraham accords further cutting out palestinians and making iran feel isolated

diplomacy masterclass all around

[half heath]

I agree but the question is why move towards abandoning the proxy battles and directly go to war. As far as I know the claims of nukes being close isn't correct and they've been complying with the regulatory bodies all this time.

We've seen reports recently before the strike that they uncovered some type of Intelligence. Its makes you wonder how crucial that information was.

[marsh oracle]

Afaik iran has been enriching uranium to >60% which is far above what would be useful for any civilian use cases. For actual weapons grade you need 90% enrichment, but from what ive read, that jump wouldnt pose a significant hurdle for iran.

Probably impossible for us to know what exactly their capabilities are there and if they already have some 90% uranium

As for why israel is attacking them directly now- theyve spent the last two years fighting hamas and hezbollah and my guess is that they would rather fight the sponsors of those organizations now

Or maybe bibi is clinging to power and hes using this for that, but idk how realistic that is in israels current political climate

[half heath]

Why does Tulsi Gabbard say they are not building a nuke then. Idk man this is all fishy and a couple of these actors have been known to fabricate claims all the time.

[trim flicker]

hasn't most US intel on Iran on this up until this point been that they're not building a nuclear weapon and that the program was suspended

like

its clearly just made up bs now
you don't go from "they're not doing it" to "they're very close to having one" out of nowhere without any proof or prior assessments indicating that

and as shuffle said even as of today US intelligence says that iran isnt building a nuclear weapon

[hoary charm]

iirc it’s been that the ayatollah is against nukes but his staff have been pressuring him to reconsider while they’ve been enriching past the point of civilian use

the enrichment is the hard part, building the actual bomb is relatively easy

[hoary charm]

because she’s in the pocket of iran/qatar or whatever? she’s been known to run defence for assad already so her words are utterly meaningless

[half heath]

You're probably right or simply for russia who knows

[eager parrot]

there's been many bizarre statements from US politicians recently

[blazing depot]

You should watch the Daily Show commentary about the situation. Netanjahu has been publicly claiming Iran is just months, if not days away from having a nuke since 2012 quite frequently, probably whenever he was in political hot water. He even has fancy charts and shit. (relevant part with first clip starts around 7:30, but the whole video is good)
https://youtu.be/3Q08a7BI9XI?si=_BjYxIsbL3aprCZe

Good ol' Jon

[eager parrot]

he's been saying that since 1992
https://x.com/TheDailyShow/status/1935048445984665786

The Daily Show (@TheDailyShow)

Iran: Weeks away from having nuclear weapons since 1995

X · Jun 17, 2025, 6:54 PM

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/6/18/the-history-of-netanyahus-rhetoric-on-irans-nuclear-ambitions

the irony is that this will just motivate ALL anti-west governments who don't have nukes to start their own nuclear program as soon as possible

as that is clearly the only deterrent

[blazing depot]

Not as fancy of a chart back then, sorry

[eager parrot]

hahaha

true true

[marsh oracle]

Oh i never ended up linking the iaea statement before going to bed lol

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/statements/director-general-grossis-statement-to-unsc-on-situation-in-iran-13-june-2025 here their director talks about the damages of israels attack

For a very very short summary

[half heath]

its strange because the same guy also concluded based on lack of proof that they arent building a weapon

And for that matter I think the war would impede any investigation they could've done to actually get that proof

so it begs the question why was Israel in such a rush if they had such concrete evidence

[marsh oracle]

Yea i think the point is that they arent building a weapon currently but they are producing the required materials for it, which also have no other use case

[half heath]

After an investigation, it would've come to light and at the same time negotiations were taking place

So honestly it feels like after Gaza, Netanyahu was looking for another target

So he could stay in power

The other real shame of all this is how much is being buried while everyone has to focus on this

[marsh oracle]

Why would iran comply with an investigation now when they havent complied with the protocols laid out in the nuclear deal since 2018?

And its not like iran is some new target, theyve been shooting each other for years

[half heath]

that is a good question

by new target I meant more like an official declaration

[marsh oracle]

Declarations of war are so 1900s

Dont really need those to send some rockets nowadays

[half heath]

that definitely what its felt like

[half heath]

Now that I think about it maybe the people who signed the deal can just Sanction Iran again until they comply

its a better option than war

[hoary charm]

iran is already heavily sanctioned

[half heath]

Oh what i understand is most of the severe ones had been lifted in like 2016 after they agreed to a deal

some new ones were instated but it seems they arent as punitive as what brought Iran to the table before

[marsh oracle]

Russia joined in on the sanctions back then

Thats probably not gonna happen today

[half heath]

its honestly pretty damn complicated but I still think Israel was hasty

[hoary charm]

probably depends how you look at it

israel dealt with hezbollah and iran spent a lot bailing out russia

mightve just been an opportunity thing

[half heath]

Alright so this really is all Trumps fault. They withdrew from the deal in 2018 without a proper plan to sanction Iran collectively to get a new deal. By doing that they kinda released Iran from their responsibilities

[last eagle]

I have feeling Trump has been ruining the country since he become president

the greed has indeed taken him too far

[marsh oracle]

And he also damaged americas reputation for these kinds of deals for years to come

Why would iran now agree to another deal like it when the next president could feed it back to the shredder because he slept badly one night

[marsh oracle]

https://time.com/7295195/ai-chatgpt-google-learning-school/

[hoary charm]

grok is this true

[blazing depot]

Cursed

[hoary charm]

i've seen other research that suggests using ai alongside learning can be beneficial

cause the problem is that people arent using it to research and explore their own ideas, but using its output and running with it

yeah

[blazing depot]

It definitely can be, but... yeah. Just alongside, not as your one and only source

[marsh oracle]

I will generate a new season of jersey shores and enjoy it

Is that even a good example for a US slop show

Idk

[blazing depot]

Sure, if you are a time traveler from the 2000s

Idek what currentday slop would be though. Who even watches TV any more besides old people

[fossil basin]

definitely

generative AI has some upside as an enhanced search engine / data source if used right

especially due how paywalled information can be at times

but definitely not as the lone method

it would also be helpful if the creator of Chat GPT was not a despicable human being

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2025/06/19/16-billion-apple-facebook-google-passwords-leaked---change-yours-now/

[blazing depot]

Cool

[fossil basin]

https://cybernews.com/security/billions-credentials-exposed-infostealers-data-leak/

the original article is more on point than the forbes one and a bit less vague

[last eagle]

https://youtu.be/h1T-1Hl0NH0

Black Ops 2 event might occur soon

[hoary charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P8v09ywoss

it was closer earlier in the year

[last eagle]

eeriely familliar

[clear tide]

all going according to plan

[hoary charm]

turns out its a public holiday tomorrow

might play through bo1 and 2

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/BuzzingPop/status/1935037577255338296

Buzzing Pop (@BuzzingPop)

Sabrina Carpenter tells Rolling Stone she’s considering banning phones from her shows after attending Silk Sonic concert:

“They locked my phone. I’ve never had a better experience at a concert. I genuinely felt like I was back in the Seventies — wasn’t alive. Genuinely felt like

X · Jun 17, 2025, 6:11 PM

Yes please, and others take note and follow

[ocean vigil]

Zoomers:

Guess I am bringing a tablet

[blazing depot]

tbh that's still better than phones, just cause only a percentile of people still own one of those

[hoary charm]

gotta be quirky with the 3ds

[ocean vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/camera-flash-sam-the-underground-railroad-say-cheese-look-at-the-camera-gif-20758715

me at the next artms concert

[ruby helm]

They'll be there like "This is my medical phone, I need it to monitor my blood sugar levels"

[proud tulip]

i saw someone do this at tyler the creator

[hoary charm]

the psp camera accessory gotta be the new wave

[proud tulip]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2025/06/19/16-billion-apple-facebook-google-passwords-leaked---change-yours-now/

thats a lot of passwords

i was trying to find out where exactly the leak happened but the article doesnt even say

weird

[hoary charm]

havent seen vxunderground post about it yet

[proud tulip]

maybe i got baited by forbes

[fossil basin]

https://cybernews.com/security/billions-credentials-exposed-infostealers-data-leak/
for source article of announcement with more clear wording

Forbes nowadays work as a clickbait source

the leak is real though

It is not a momentary leak, it is detection of such amount from research scanning from beginning of this year

[proud tulip]

yeah

i also have password manager so no shared pws

yep

also the people who avoid MFA because its 1 extra step

[brave pelican]

anna's archive

[eager parrot]

some important major platforms don't allow for good MFA/TFA sadly

like a lot of online banking still rely almost entirely on SMS for two factor authentication

maybe a security question or two thrown in for good measure

it's pretty bad yeah

and that's in you know big modern industrialized highly technologically advanced countries, I can't imagine how bad it is elsewhere

authy getting rid of their desktop app was really annoying for me

[hoary charm]

I’d love nothing more than to move away from authy but i have so many accounts in there, some even unlabeled that i have no idea what they’re for

[eager parrot]

same

[hoary charm]

The new redesign is utter garbage

[eager parrot]

the app is just annoying to me

[hoary charm]

I had all my most used placed at the top of the list, but the redesign made it all alphabetical order

[marsh oracle]

Bring back those letters with lists of 2fa codes for online banking

[eager parrot]

I still tend to use that for many platforms

if they give me backup codes, I'll prefer those over 2FA apps

and just reset them when I'm about to run out

usually they give you at least 10, sometimes more, and they are usually 8 alphanumeric characters or more

it does seem like a losing battle increasingly though, so many layers of security and just one leak makes it all disappear

[hoary charm]

https://fixupx.com/vxunderground/status/1935759256244174928 lol

vx-underground (@vxunderground)

No.
︀︀
︀︀Someone took a bunch of existing leaks, threw it all together, and slapped a NEW stick on it.

Quoting Dexerto (@Dexerto)
︀
16 billion passwords have been leaked from Apple, Google, Facebook, etc
︀︀
︀︀It is now considered as the largest password leak in history

**💬 15 🔁 32 ❤️ 215 👁️ 5.1K **

FixupX · Jun 19, 2025, 5:59 PM

[marsh oracle]

Did the passwords actually leak in clear text?

[eager parrot]

the news about it is so vague that it's hard to understand what platforms it even covers

at least the cybernews link posted was a bit more clear but still they aren't sure either

[hoary charm]

hibp would’ve posted about something this big too if it were anything

[eager parrot]

speaking of big things, somebody in the Trump administration if not Trump himself are just huffing memes

no way they just said that Trump will decide intervention in two weeks

[blazing depot]

Getting the tarrifs treatment, but for killing people instead of bankrupting them

[eager parrot]

the amount of uncertainty on ALL fronts in every aspect of life since this administration came to power has been crazy

Heisenberg would be proud

[blazing depot]

It's because Trump wants to turn everything into a reality show. And I really mean everything.

[marsh oracle]

In a surprising twist of events, the deep state was real but was also the only thing keeping trump on the rails in trump1

[blazing depot]

https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1935758437649990028

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar)

Leavitt on Trump's rationale for possible Iran strikes: "The president hears all voices across the country, and he makes decisions based on his instincts."

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FixupX · Jun 19, 2025, 5:55 PM

"Based on instincts"

[eager parrot]

really comforting lol

[blazing depot]

Also, no he didn't. His sock puppet did.
https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1935753386768453950

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar)

beyond parody -- Trump, through Karoline Leavitt, announces he'll make his decision about whether to strike Iran "within the next two weeks"

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FixupX · Jun 19, 2025, 5:35 PM

I swear though, every time I look at the dumpster fire Aaron simply relays I regret looking at it. Unreal.

[marsh oracle]

and now imagine sitting there as a news reporter

oh tiktok also got another 90 day extension

[blazing depot]

Yeah, cause duh

[eager parrot]

July 4th is in two weeks

[blazing depot]

It would be just like Trump to blow up Iran on the 4th, wouldn't it

[eager parrot]

fireworks one way or another

also democrats criticizing trump for at least wanting to give diplomacy a chance is ... peak clown US politics

https://x.com/SenSchumer/status/1929676991789203528

Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer)

If TACO Trump is already folding on Iran, the American people need to know about it.

No side deals.

X · Jun 2, 2025, 11:10 PM

I don't like him but Trump edging the warhawks is pretty dangerously funny

like Democrats, hello? Y'all did the initial deal with Iran in the first place...

Really says a lot about where their priorities and loyalties lie.

[marsh oracle]

hes saying the information about the deal should be public

[eager parrot]

I'm sure it will be once there is actually a deal

I don't see either party coming to the table at this exact moment in time though

especially after the other side's actually educated chief negotiator was assassinated ...