Misc Chat

[marsh oracle]

Im sure the next salvo of rockets from hamas will bring about the revolution

[oak lodge]

hey, some cases get to the civilian level.

plenty times these make their way into civilian use. Bullets and random technology/equipment being unsafe after their service is up is collateral

[vital needle]

Damn you really got me there mr. Centrist I have no retorts

I am truly epically owned

xDDD

Dont you have rent to pay to your landlord who provides so much value for you by siphoning away your income for free or smth

Or did you steal some random palestinian's house like the israelis do?

Instead of wasting your precious time with a freak genocide disliker such as myself

[oak lodge]

No they just make it super expensive for the minority until they have to relocate

this will be quite a backread, for now I go

[pale flower]

Also among the 9-10 or so confirmed dead, 8 of them are Hezbollah members... how does that not make it a precision strike?

[fringe juniper]

[eager parrot]

Those numbers are a bit outdated now given the second wave that happened in the packed funerals.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-exploding-pagers-hezbollah-syria-ce6af3c2e6de0a0dddfae48634278288

Tuesday’s bombings killed at least 12 people, including two children, and wounded some 2,800 others.
[On Wednesday's bombings] at least nine people were killed and more than 300 people wounded in the second wave, the Health Ministry said.

[pale flower]

Yeah, we don't know who the next 9 people are yet

But still like, the initial strike was definitely precise

[eager parrot]

I suppose we just have different definitions of precise.

[fringe juniper]

They sure do hate children being alive geez

[pale flower]

Sure
Those devices were meant to be on Hez militants and Hez militants only

Those pagers were literally like meant to signal when military gatherings were supposed to happen, organized attacks, etc

[livid frigate]

The military gatherings in hospitals and grocery stores yep

[eager parrot]

Not according to AP News and Reuters sources, they were just part of a packages that were heading to Lebanon and Syria and Hezbollah's order was part of it, not all of it. Regular people there use pagers too for various reasons.

Also it clearly wasn't just pagers if it was in walkie talkies and solar power equipment too.

[pale flower]

I mean it remains to be seen how many of those deaths will be Hez deaths

[eager parrot]

There's no way they could have coordinated it to only implant explosives in devices that exclusively ended up in Hezbollah members, their associates and their families' hands.

Just like how when they bomb a hospital or school to kill a few legitimate Hamas members, they also end up killing 50+ regular people there.

Very precise.

[livid frigate]

Israel chooses not to be precise

[eager parrot]

Again, I know a lot of Israelis don't support these actions given the widespread protests, but this government is clearly insane.

[pale flower]

How would they not be able to do that?
If they somehow got only Hez members to directly order/receive those very pagers, then only Hez members and the people they surround themselves with would be affected by it

[pale flower]

Also this is really not the same situation so I don't see why you'd make the equivalence here

[eager parrot]

It's the same intelligence apparatus, and their targets are rarely precise when it comes to their neighbors. If you compare to say Mossad operations in Iran where they precisely kill their target with almost no collateral for example. The latter case I would actually call precise.

[pale flower]

We can wait to have this argument until the full numbers come in, but still, so far this is true

With the numbers so far it really does seem like it falls under almost no collateral though

[near jetty]

yes it's hypothetically better than dropping a bunker buster in the middle of Beirut

[livid frigate]

Israel genuinely has no regard for collateral damage anyways. Even the hostages with the Hannibal directive

[fringe juniper]

Pre-schools are the epicenter of terror nowadays /s

[pale flower]

Jesus LOL like how do you guys expect them to fight Hez????

[near jetty]

preferably to not lol

[pale flower]

They literally took out/maimed a bunch of their operatives before a major war could begin, this literally makes it so they're LESS likely to attack civilians via the alternatives which is rockets and gunfire

[marsh oracle]

oh is there actual evidence this was used now? i must have missed that

[pale flower]

So just sit there and wait for more Hez rockets? That's pretty rich

[near jetty]

I guess you could say they're trying to prevent a larger war by preemptive striking

[pale flower]

There's already a war ongoing

Hez has been launching rockets nearly daily since October 8th

I just mean like, there's currently no ongoing on-ground fighting

[marsh oracle]

actually ignore this, i forgot people use a made up version of hannibal directive cause they just believe twitter headlines

[eager parrot]

Guess there's no end to this. I just don't get what the endgoal here is.

How did the last war with Lebanon go in 2006?

Like, I'm all for seeing decisive victories by Israel, but if they can't tame a 150-mile strip of land that they've been carpet bombing for 11 months and had complete blockade control of previously for 2 decades, how do they expect a full scale war with Hezbollah to go?

[pale flower]

The endgoal is for the citizens in Northern Israel to be able to return back home after a year

[marsh oracle]

the most realistic solution is a two state solution, but even that one doesnt have majority support from either side

[pale flower]

There were diplomatic effort attempts to have Hezbollah move further north past the Litani river

But those didn't work out

[eager parrot]

I see, and is the expectation here that Hezbollah will disappear after this war and not launch rockets into Northern Israel?

Has Hamas disappeared yet?

[pale flower]

I mean it'll be absolutely terrible, but there's also no other choice

[marsh oracle]

your best bet is hamas/hezbollah being severely weakned for a while and a more left wing israeli government and maybe you get some progress towards peace

[pale flower]

Diplomacy didn't work

[trim flicker]

Turns out killing people makes other people mad so they'll fight against you

[eager parrot]

This war is clearly being prolonged for Netanyahu's own gains and his ultra right wing parties benefits.

[marsh oracle]

but the international expectation also seems to be that israel is just supposed to accept weekly rocket launches at them lmao

[pale flower]

I fucking hate Netanyahu but he didn't make Hez start firing rockets at Israel

[fringe juniper]

Endgoal = g-word at this point

[marsh oracle]

certainly one sides

and the best part is we dont even agree on which one

[trim flicker]

To be fair he does do his best to make sure they keep firing those

[eager parrot]

You can't stop people from resisting genocide and occupation, unless you completely wipe them out. And that goes for both sides here. One side is just better armed and organized.

[pale flower]

How so? By having the military fight back against Hez rocket launchers and militants?

[pale flower]

This doesn't even have anything to do with Lebanon

Israel does not occupy it at all

[eager parrot]

Not anymore.

But his predecessors' invasions and occupations of Lebanon did cause the creation of Hezbollah.

[marsh oracle]

the war existed before hezbollah

[eager parrot]

I didn't say otherwise.

When a war and occupation is prolonged, resistance fighters rise up. If you like the resistance fighters and support them, you call them rebels and freedom fighters. If you don't like them, you call them terrorists. Terrorism and counter-terrorism is just branding and PR at this point.

[marsh oracle]

the underlying issue is that iran doesnt want a jewish state, or really any jews in that region and so it will continue to fight israel until it collapses

[eager parrot]

The issue around Israel existed long before Iran's Islamic Revolution happened.

Iran's previous government was buddy buddy with Israel to the max.

[marsh oracle]

and israel has made peace with a lot of the arab nations around it

[eager parrot]

Which ones?

[pale flower]

Jordan, Egypt just to name a couple

[eager parrot]

Just the two yeah, after a bunch of bloody short wars.

[near jetty]

courtesy of America

[pale flower]

In 2020 - UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, Sudan normalized relations

[near jetty]

be greatful

[marsh oracle]

most prominently the uae

like basically all neighboring countries, which were obviously all arab at the time, declared war on israel in 1948

[pale flower]

This doesn't mean that both sides of the conflict didn't WANT the peace/normalization efforts though

[fringe juniper]

Gotta keep those weapons coming in

[marsh oracle]

israel won that war and a few subsequent ones in the years after

[pale flower]

Don't minimize it just because the US helped achieve them

[marsh oracle]

and has normalized relations with some of its neighboring countries so clearly something there worked

[near jetty]

fun fact Morocco recognized Israel in exchange for the US not recognizing the western Sahara

[pale flower]

Israel has returned land for peace with Egypt

[livid frigate]

Birds of a colonial feather

[pale flower]

Saying that it's all about expansionism and colonialism is a bit silly considering that

[livid frigate]

It is though

Zionism is nothing more than manifest destiny rebranded

[marsh oracle]

smth smth all israelis are europeans smth smth

[pale flower]

.

[eager parrot]

A lot of them are Americans now.

[pale flower]

Why would they do that otherwise

[marsh oracle]

yep, i would also get myself a plan b if my country had rockets launched at it weekly

[hoary charm]

if russia has their way, you might not be far off it

[brave pelican]

move to ohio

[eager parrot]

Ohio is peaceful, can confirm.

[marsh oracle]

anyway, the point is that in israel you can see some kind of way to get a peace deal with their neighbors

i dont see that in iran

[eager parrot]

They're not neighbors with Iran.

[marsh oracle]

and hamas is mostly an extension of that

i mean

not directly but close enough

to launch rockets and drone attacks lol

[eager parrot]

Well that only happened once.

[pale flower]

H*mas and Hez are both Iranian proxies

[eager parrot]

Those two really don't engage directly very often.

Thankfully.

Otherwise we'll be in far more of a mess globally.

[pale flower]

Oh why is that?

[marsh oracle]

with that recent munitions depot explosion, maybe not

[ocean vigil]

you have a buffer
unfortunately for me, we are the buffer

[marsh oracle]

cause you get millions of israeli refugees worldwide if israel collapses

[eager parrot]

It's always fascinating to see middle aged european-white American couple from upstate NY coming to Israel using right of return and evicting and demolitioning a Palestinian family's generational home in the west bank to build their own.

Anyway, we're not going to figure out peace in the middle east in Miscellaneous Chat of LoonaCord, but it has been interesting to read the perspectives.

[marsh oracle]

i mean yea, isreali settlements in the west bank stopping is probably a hard condition for any progress towards peace

[near jetty]

yeah it's a Wednesday afternoon what are we doing

[eager parrot]

If there was any chance of it stopping, it would have already.

[marsh oracle]

thats not really how elections work

[eager parrot]

They've held many elections over the last 80 years, Israel is a democracy.

The occupations never ended, they only expanded.

[pale flower]

European-white American couple from upstate NY is still seen as American Jews
It doesn't matter where they are, Jewish people will still be seen not as European or American, but as European Jews or American Jews

[eager parrot]

The current government's survival depends on votes from those regions. Tel Aviv isn't gonna elect Netenyahu again.

[marsh oracle]

afaik the current government has sped up land grabs over there significantly

[brave pelican]

the tunnel thing from last year will never not be funny

[marsh oracle]

ok tbf thats just americans, they even call themselves german american when their last german ancestor fought in the civil war or some shit

[brave pelican]

idt i have ever seen anyone do that

they are just white

[pale flower]

Also just cause it needs to be said, I can't stand our current gov either and I'm really hoping we can get elections soon

[pale flower]

My point is that Jews in Europe will always be seen as Jews first, European second

[oak lodge]

they love that shit. Especially if they're actually English

[marsh oracle]

seems unlikely that he will call snap elections

[fringe juniper]

This chat is basically the UN .....

[pale flower]

He won't but a gal can hope

[brave pelican]

only people that do this are italian americans

[marsh oracle]

if trump can do it, so can we

[brave pelican]

and i guess the occasional irish

[marsh oracle]

we are at least as intelligent as 2 trumps

[ocean vigil]

and almost as heavy as one if we all add our weight together

[hoary charm]

we have unironic commies in here so i don't think so

[livid frigate]

lol

[near jetty]

aww man

[brave pelican]

creeper

[near jetty]

let's pack it up Henry

[eager parrot]

the problem is intelligent people rarely go into politics or positions of power. narcissists are the ones who get there instead, often with mix of other cluster b personalities like psychopaths.

which is where we are globally today...

[pale flower]

so we back in the mine

[livid frigate]

Okay

Kamala Harris will be here on Friday

[pale flower]

You going to her rally?

[eager parrot]

she hasn't visited ohio at all

[near jetty]

as in Madison Wisconsin 2nd greatest city in Wisconsin?

[eager parrot]

we used to matter as a swing state

[livid frigate]

Probably not

[eager parrot]

now we don't, now all we get is fucking Vance

[pale flower]

Shame

[marsh oracle]

how are the cats doing tho

[eager parrot]

BBQ'd daily

[near jetty]

how tf do you even get into a rally I wanted to go to a Milwaukee one but it's not like it's on ticket master

[eager parrot]

by the damn Swiss

[marsh oracle]

good question

[livid frigate]

I think you just show up. I’ll try and figure things out. They didn’t announce where it will be yet so

[marsh oracle]

its probably in one of those "we need your money now" emails you get hourly

[fringe juniper]

At least the politicians pretended to care for you

[hoary charm]

wow you're not enthused by the personification of a wet paper towel?

[marsh oracle]

from what ive heard

[near jetty]

damn

[eager parrot]

I genuinely think he was chosen only because his name rhymed with Pence in Trump's head.

[near jetty]

doesn't help she always does the rallies while I'm at work

[brave pelican]

cant go to rallies they’d shoot me

[livid frigate]

I think this one is in the evening

I’ll try and go on Friday and find out

[eager parrot]

only in Trump rallies

[marsh oracle]

we know why he was chosen, peter thiel pushed for him and trumps sons convinced him

now even trump hates his ass lmao

[ocean vigil]

probably more plausible than my theory that his kid knew the name from vice city

[marsh oracle]

have they even campaigned together anywhere? i think ive only seen them at seperate events

[near jetty]

kamala pls come to west bend wisconsin like trump did that one time in 2016

[eager parrot]

Trump doesn't like sharing the spotlight

[brave pelican]

i have some friends that have classes with barron at nyu

apparently hes really stupid

[eager parrot]

He doesn't need to be smart anyway

[brave pelican]

should have gone to a basketball school

[marsh oracle]

yea he can just grift through life as trumps grandson

cult following for life

[near jetty]

like that Russian kid with the blood problem

[brave pelican]

well they did not miss with the romanovs

[eager parrot]

don't be surprised if Barron becomes president in 30-40 years

[marsh oracle]

or that north korean woman that goes on all the podcasts and says shit like "in north korea, they eat the pets of the people that live there"

[near jetty]

in north Korea they push trains

[brave pelican]

barron needs to be MVP not an investment banker

this script is awful

[near jetty]

in another life

[vital needle]

Nothing is stopping them really

Europe and the usa would probably take them in

[near jetty]

the area between fond du lac and sheboygan is pretty empty

[pale flower]

Oh so you're actually okay with mass displacement? Got it

Just give up on the North and let Hez take over and uhhhh keep shooting at the rest of Israel I guess

[eager parrot]

You joke but I have a feeling the ultra orthodox in Israel will get deported eventually or at least leave on their own at this rate

[vital needle]

You said you wanted them to go home not me

[pale flower]

zzzzz

[near jetty]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/pffttt-cantholdlaugh-father-laugh-dad-laugh-gif-13166789396741539132

[eager parrot]

US is far more accommodating to the religious isolation

look at the amish

they don't pay taxes

they don't follow building codes

they don't send their kids to state sanctioned schools

they just do whatever they want

[pale flower]

The ultra orthodox don't pay taxes here either afaik

[near jetty]

I saw some Amish at eaa

[pale flower]

I'd say we're very accomodating to them

[near jetty]

I thought they didn't fuck with planes

[eager parrot]

yeah but your courts want them drafted, and they don't.

[marsh oracle]

the things on the sea are called ships tho

[livid frigate]

They have to send their kids to school here

Until 8th grade

[eager parrot]

they just satisfy that legal requirement with schools on their own lands here and do a sort of home schooling that is checked by the state lol

[livid frigate]

Home schooling should be illegal

Under my regime it will be

[brave pelican]

i remember i saw a busload of amish chicks at the mall one time

[eager parrot]

I was briefly at IMTS (International Manufacturing Technology Show) in Chicago recently and there were a lot of Amish there looking at the heavy machinery with aw and wonder (and fat wallets to sign contracts)

[near jetty]

True

[brave pelican]

even they love an auntie annies pretzel

[eager parrot]

they definitely like technology despite pretending not to

[pale flower]

Some of them do want to and have, it's just looked down upon

[eager parrot]

gotta fulfill their duties, drafts are something I support, for both men and women

we should bring it back in the west

gotta prepare

[livid frigate]

I think their thing with technology is that as long as it helps them to be more productive they use it. They have to test whether it’ll benefit the community. Cuz tons of Amish people use computers for crop management

[eager parrot]

right that makes a lot of sense

[livid frigate]

Amish communities are also places where a lot of abuse of women happens and gets covered up

[eager parrot]

sadly that's very common across all the isolated religious communities in the US

[livid frigate]

Yeah

[vital needle]

Yeah its such a shame the swinger states dont get respect

[eager parrot]

hey now, that's not Ohio, we don't swing like that

... as far as I know anyway

maybe they do that in cleveland

[near jetty]

I drove through south Ohio 1.5 years ago

what a place

[eager parrot]

did you notice the air getting thicker and despair setting in?

[near jetty]

nope had the windows closed and eyes on the road

[eager parrot]

probably for the best, otherwise the demons may have tempted/distracted you

they reside among the corn

[livid frigate]

That’s Anywhere in the Midwest after September

[eager parrot]

😔

[livid frigate]

Culver’s

[eager parrot]

well at least you passed between the two best towns

[near jetty]

had to stop for lunch and it was right there

[livid frigate]

That’s what I do before bar trivia on Thursdays

[blazing depot]

Do you also do Karaoke night

[livid frigate]

Can’t find any karaoke places

I also do not want to do karaoke

[brave pelican]

we have a culvers here but i’ve never been

[near jetty]

go

like the wind

[livid frigate]

American culture is just regional convenience and burger stores

[brave pelican]

cookout clears

burger 2 sides and a milkshake for 8 dollars you cannot beat that

[near jetty]

money is not a consideration when dining at culvers

but my order is a whole 2 dollars cheaper a town south

[oak lodge]

he should be catching rebounds for sure lol

[toxic spoke]

this post was fact checked by southeast patriots

those virginians swear by it

[near jetty]

never heard of it must not be that good

[marsh oracle]

anyway, thank you jerome powell for another green day for my portfolio

[brave pelican]

the three pillars of the southeast are cookout, zaxbys, and publix

publix hires at 13 child labor so based (in game ofc)

[marsh oracle]

Tupperware is insolvent, its so over

[hoary charm]

no more mlm tupperware parties

[marsh oracle]

The only good mlm

[eager parrot]

don't worry, some other bigger company will buy the brand and we'll see them on Amazon

[near jetty]

nft tupperware

[pale flower]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-jiH6IgvjM

they're so back

[oak lodge]

the autotuned musical versions?

this was the AI cover before AI voice inserts were a thing

[pale flower]

YOU SHALL BUILD A TURTLE FENCE

Funny enough I also just realized that this is the same channel that did this AI cover https://youtu.be/ZiQRF5h3zDQ?si=adc9QIea0vcvkfyn

[eager parrot]

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/dead-internet-theory-comes-to-life-with-new-ai-powered-social-media-app/

[last eagle]

...

lmao

[fringe juniper]

Beep boop, son. Beep boop

[half heath]

is it anything other than just a reskin of the current LLM AIs?

It's funny, seems like a good 10-30 mins of fun

[blazing depot]

https://fixupx.com/Acyn/status/1836591025340715267?t=V2cYcj_53pbAY0FXpSGB_Q&s=19

The... audience?

[toxic spoke]

no gears are turning up there https://fixupx.com/Jemsinger/status/1836194483370610891

not to mention energy is privately owned in this country sure man lower prices 50%

[blazing depot]

Worked so well last time

[toxic spoke]

just hilarious https://fixupx.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1836186959594582356

[blazing depot]

... what, lmao

[forest sigil]

This man should not be president again, we are totally screwed if he does.

[marsh oracle]

Remember kids, the people you least expect might be undecided voters, talk to them and ensure they get the help they deserve. No child left behind and all that

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/09/17/opinion/politics/17focus-group-persuadable-voters-2.html

These people votes count like 100x more than the average, this country is so cooked

[fringe juniper]

Economic deregulation

[eager parrot]

To be fair, he was clearly referring to the viewers. Older folks still call 'viewers' "audience".

Regulations still call it that too, like when ratings appear on US television like "TV-MA", 'mature audience'.

Unless ABC is willing to admit they have no audience/viewers watching their channel

[marsh oracle]

Good theory but it seems equally likely he meant the voices in his head tbh

Like your proposal assumes trump has object permanence and im not sure I can agree with that

[fringe juniper]

TV ratings really aren’t as big as you'd think. For example cable news will get only get around 200k. Which seems like a lot until you realize silly youtube videos get millions.

[oak lodge]

yeah! The... uhh, people at home

[blazing depot]

I mean, the debate had bigly record numbers viewership

Also, I'm not convinced Trump was referring to viewers at all, cause he's Trump.

More likely he made up another enthused crowd in his head. You know, like he does every time he talks

[oak lodge]

he may very well just be referring generally to the people that watch and idolise him in an unwavering manner because they do exist

He wouldn't be lying to himself in that case

[eager parrot]

https://apnews.com/article/south-korea-international-adoption-fraud-investigation-e4e7d4b8823212e3b260517c5128cd66

[oak lodge]

having that much of an issue with class as to go that far just leaves a bitter taste

[trim flicker]

wtf

[blazing depot]

https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1836917356955602961?t=_hBVQeV-zP-I6VWo2r5VoA&s=19

He's at a "fighting anti semitism" event btw

[eager parrot]

That one's gonna play well with young american voters /s

But I suppose it'll play well with certain class of donors.

American Jews overwhelmingly vote Democrat though, election after election.

[oak lodge]

Kamala hasn't touched the same rock as he did! She isn't friends with Netanyahu the same way he is!

[eager parrot]

most presidents touch the magic wall after they become president after all

[pale flower]

"The Jewish people would have a lot to vote with [my] loss" come the fuck on

I knew the article about this in Hebrew sounded too well spoken 💀

[marsh oracle]

https://fxtwitter.com/KamalaHQ/status/1837133796082069630 next up, kamala harris on hot ones

Sean evans could do some banger oppo research if he wanted to

Send walz on joe rogan while youre at it

[dire canopy]

If they had even Zlatan on Hot Ones getting Kamala Harris should be no problem

[blazing depot]

Man, this Mark Robinson discourse sure is something

Most of which can't be reposted here cause, you know, he decided to post his political views in a porn site comment section. Which by itself is already beyond hilarious.

[shadow elbow]

that's where the real politicking occurs

[blazing depot]

You got one syllable right I believe

[trim flicker]

That guy is the definition of "every accusation is a confession"
Dude obviously transphobic and against abortion then you check his past and Of course

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/20/politics/georgia-republican-election-rules-hand-count/index.html

I'm sure this has no utter motive behind

[blazing depot]

Of course not! Next thing you say is the motion to make Nebraska winner takes all last minute so the Dem leaning counterweight state of Maine can't follow has any nefarious motives behind it

Skewing the already heavily GOP skewed electoral college even further

thisisfine.png

[forest sigil]

I believe there will be a lawsuit and it will be stalled until after election, the last thing I saw on it IIRC

they tried to do an all or nothing in Nebraska and it failed, so they might try to do the same in Maine.

[blazing depot]

Broken system be like

[forest sigil]

I'm pretty sure almost everyone hates the electoral college unless you are on one side that benefits from it

[trim flicker]

how tf can they conspire to undermine democracy this openly and that not be considered treason lol

[forest sigil]

thankfully we have a supreme court that is at least moderate

wait

[forest sigil]

but I believe it is a violation of Federal Voting Laws and they take precedent

so it this and the stuff in Maine are stuff to keep eyes on. At least early voting in Virginia has started already

[marsh oracle]

trying to change elector allocation less than 2 months before the election is fucking crazy

just openly changing the rules to favor your party

[forest sigil]

this situation is so bad many people are flipping NC Gov election from tossup to likely Democrat lol

[blazing depot]

You mean the "Black Nazi" who can recite Mein Kampf from memory and would happily go buy slaves whenever he isn't too busy jerking it 5 days a week in a porn shop is a bit too much even for them?

[forest sigil]

I think it's more of an indictment on his private interests that got leaked for some people than his views.

but hey Trump said this dude is "MLK on steroids" so who really knows

[blazing depot]

private interests

What sterois can do to a brain

[trim flicker]

That's hilarious considering what that dude said about MLK

[marsh oracle]

the funniest part is that republicans went public with the story

the gop is gonna have a very fun time once trump loses

[blazing depot]

Eventually they'll have to piss off the still Trump loving base and move away from him for real

That'll be fun

please split

[valid magnet]

https://fixupx.com/SirPootington/status/1837271556029903199?t=2uqjTdwiYgu2xjEydUH9sw&s=19

This funny

[last eagle]

Trump with his tomfoolery

[trim flicker]

sheesh

[last eagle]

https://youtu.be/tJi0QwGlTTk?si=DUTvUMYX6wIE7bNK

she did it

[ocean vigil]

https://fixupx.com/GermanyDiplo/status/1836812764192321994

[eager parrot]

Not sure either of those tweets are the wins they think they are...

[blazing depot]

Bruh

I mean, the German twt is basically just a "wtf bro", nothing wrong with that one

But the Russian one...

Those gosh darn Poles

[eager parrot]

hey they love their alternate history

and feed that to their entire populace

Poles are funny now though, they are so armed to the teeth, it's scary

[blazing depot]

"Most people old enough to remember are dead anyway" - Putin, probably

[blazing depot]

I mean... wouldn't you be?

[eager parrot]

more like ... finally? why didn't they do it after the first dozens of times 😭

and US seems more than willing to sell them basically anything and everything (aside from a F-22)

I hope their government policies don't become docile or get away from militarization though, kind of need that buffer (sorry Poles)

[blazing depot]

Basically they know very well that they're next on Russia's list should Ukraine fall

[eager parrot]

If Ukraine falls, and it's a big if really dependent on complacency and fatigue from the US mostly (and somewhat the rest of western Europe), I can definitely see Poland, Romania, Hungary, etc. claim segments of their land back that was absorbed into Ukraine 100 years or so ago, with their own ethnic peoples.

That way they can at least prevent Russia from a complete takeover.

Not like international rules and laws matter anymore given Russia's doing whatever it wants.

[blazing depot]

International rules are for losers. (according to various countries blatantly ignoring them)

[ruby helm]

Would Ukraine agree to it? Like handing over Polish Ukraine to Poland? So that technically it is now part of NATO and russia cant go there?

[eager parrot]

The scenario I was thinking of is when Ukraine is basically no more

people just go about their lives, but if the administrative system of Ukraine falls and it basically becomes a failed state, then I can definitely see a timeline where NATO countries bordering Ukraine's west lay claim to portions that were historically theirs and still has their ethnic peoples.

As a way to prevent further Russia encroachment and as a buffer zone if nothing else.

[ocean vigil]

last thing the region needs is giving that hungarian frog part of their historic land back

[eager parrot]

As froggy as that illiberal dictator wannabe is, they're still part of NATO

and I don't know if they thought of a way to kick members out...

seems like an oversight

what if Turkey and Greece decide to go at it one day?

[blazing depot]

Pretty sure that sort of stuff is covered somewhere

The whole defensive pact business is aimed exclusively at attacks from outside of NATO after all

[eager parrot]

that's true, but like there's no mechanism within NATO to expel a bad member

They have to leave voluntarily

[blazing depot]

I mean, the mechanism is "hold a vote, kick them out. They don't get to vote."

[eager parrot]

No no, I looked, there's no way to do that lol

[blazing depot]

You don't need it in the rulebook to be able to do it

[eager parrot]

they have to rewrite the articles all over, maybe disband it completely and start from scratch with all countries minus the wayward member

[blazing depot]

real politics sometimes boil down to just doing stuff

[ruby helm]

Just have all the members of NATO leave and join NATO 2.0 on the same day

except for the ones they dont want

[blazing depot]

As rare as it is

[eager parrot]

I suppose that's true

just because there's no mechanism, doesn't mean they can't just do it

as you say

[blazing depot]

Like, what is Hungary gonna do? Complain to the NATO leadership? Call the UN for unfair treatment?

it's not like they're not already effectively a Putin puppet anyway

[blazing depot]

https://fixupx.com/Acyn/status/1837574224841789724

lol

[proud tulip]

christ

[forest sigil]

Throw it in the mountain of awful trash he's said and done before

Been dealing with this for almost 10 years at this point

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/PopCrave/status/1837557780061782515

i am not personal with her father, but it is evident that her father is not white??

[blazing depot]

Newsflash, out-of-touch celebrities can be dumb fucks, too

[near jetty]

kamala is actually my half sister

[unborn echo]

where's the other half

[marsh oracle]

Google Image search "kamala harris father"

[ruby helm]

trump will be back later to say kamala's father isn't from africa, he is from jamaica

[marsh oracle]

https://fxtwitter.com/Acyn/status/1837586365300855262

Besides the obvious little civivs mistake about how the vp doesnt grant amnesty to anybody

Its crazy how their rhetoric is spiralling

This guy is about to call for pogroms next week at this rate

Also love the little motte and bailey thing theyve always done between legal and illegal immigrants slowly falling apart

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/PopCrave/status/1837913118795526518

[fringe juniper]

She must have confused Harris with Elizabeth Warren

[hoary charm]

any trump coin buyers

$100 for $30 worth of silver

its a steal

[forest sigil]

https://x.com/NewsWire_US/status/1837864121317916698?t=O9tOqcTDnNmSCOQLoj7rDw&s=19

NewsWire (@NewsWire_US) on X

Harris has the largest turnaround in popularity since George Bush after the 9/11 attacks — NBC Poll

Twitter · Sep 22, 2024, 2:38 PM

[blazing depot]

https://fixupx.com/PopBase/status/1837322668707828135?t=ZbEvE7p7ut-wf4P3tJasSA&s=19

They call it"The Pause Experience"

[blazing depot]

Make sure to mute your tab before your pause or you'll get jumpscared

[clear tide]

and their increasing premius prices too

[trim flicker]

I'm all for people paying for youtube but google does love making their products worse overall

there should be some amount of regulation/standardization on how ads work on the internet so it's not unusable without adblocks as it currently is

[blazing depot]

It genuinely is, ye

Open one news site without adblock and see what happens, basically

[trim flicker]

With YouTube I'm of the opinion that if u have the means to and you use it daily (as a lot of people do) you should probably pay for it cause it is a great product overall
It's infinitely more valuable than any other streaming platform

[hoary charm]

no

[trim flicker]

Although google making it worse for everyone without adblock or premium is stupid and they're a shitty company overall
But I'm guessing their crackdown and overall strat of making it annoying made more people get premium lol

[blazing depot]

Oh 100%. Becomes even more of a value proposition if you use yt music

[hoary charm]

i will continue to use adblock

(at some point mobile ads will push me over the edge, however)

[blazing depot]

But I get why people don't wanna pay for it, it's money after all

And we already have 20 other things we're subbed to

[hoary charm]

ye ive been cutting down on stuff lately

dropped twitch prime, easier just to buy a sub to a channel whenever theres events on

[trim flicker]

Yeah also just used to having it for free forever

[blazing depot]

Let's see... yt premium, Netflix, Prime, Nitro are the main ones I guess

Disney + comes for "free" from our internet provider

(1€, but that's ok)

[clear tide]

i should prob end my twitch prime. dont use amazon video and prime has no intresting stuff atm

[fringe juniper]

[trim flicker]

I do think people should be a bit more lenient on paying for yt, i feel most people that complain about yt changes have adblocks on and watch youtube everyday for hours And if they can afford to pay for the amount of content/entertainment they get out of the platform that's cool imo

But it's google so i also don't trust them

[blazing depot]

I don't have prime for Twitch, I have it for..... well, Prime. Delivery and videos, really

[trim flicker]

To keep the platform good and not make it worse for subscribers either

[blazing depot]

Paying all the evil big companies be like

[clear tide]

i do have actually twitch turbo aswel, which ill keep. am on twitch way too much and their ads are the worst

[blazing depot]

At least I don't have any chat app subs

[trim flicker]

Yeah twitch ads are a disgrace to humankind

[hoary charm]

spotify, nitro, protonmail, podcast patreon, jinsoul bubble is all i have i think

turbo is the same price as youtube premium for me wtf, i definitely dont watch enough twitch to justify that

[trim flicker]

Wonder how many people that refuse to pay for YouTube and constantly yap about adblock have spotify subscriptions because it's is literally unusable without ads

[blazing depot]

Amazon Prime Videos is getting worse and worse as well though

[hoary charm]

ye i switched from gsuite recently

[trim flicker]

Spotify is actually unusable

[forest sigil]

I buy all my music 😎

[trim flicker]

It's the worst thing I've ever seen

[blazing depot]

I mean, just by people in this server I'd say the majority, lmao

[trim flicker]

Yepppppp

[ocean vigil]

i will consider spending more money on twitch once they leave the stone ages and provide a proper bitrate and resolutions

[hoary charm]

i suppose all my server hosting should count too but

[clear tide]

i got nitro 5$ euro one u cant get anymore, prime, turbo, yt prem, netflix and osrs sub. and a 15 euro a year sub for our local online shop

my sister pays for our spotify prem family acc

[trim flicker]

Wym you wanna listen to a specific song? Get smart shuffled idiot

[blazing depot]

The only Twitch sub I still have is with jesse Cox, cause he has lifetime subs from the days of old

Imagine paying only once

[hoary charm]

twitch had lifetime subs for individual channels?

[blazing depot]

Yeah

Back in the very early days

And not for everyone

[hoary charm]

i have a lifetime from the overwatch league first season but i dont remember them ever being available for individuals

[blazing depot]

Me and my gf are both homebodies, so it's how we like to spend time

[forest sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dogecoin-pirate-captain-ocean-gif-16296042634591047056

[blazing depot]

And pirating is just inconvenient at some point

[clear tide]

i dont rlly watch movies, but tons of series

[blazing depot]

Sometimes I even pay 5 bucks on Amazon to watch a movie that's essentially still in theatres, cause whatever, I really wanna see that

[clear tide]

i bought the parasite movie on yt when it came out. still do have access to it

[blazing depot]

And that's cheaper than movie tickets

Parasite is worth it

I haven't bought any movies on yt though

[clear tide]

wanted my mom and sister too watch it too and i still did movie nights here when i bought it

[blazing depot]

Makes sense

[blazing depot]

So you watched the... err... let's call it couch scene with your mom and sis?

[ocean vigil]

watched parasite recently, first thing in korean i saw with czech subs, our romanization was taking me off the first half of the movie

[clear tide]

no, i just left it on for them

[blazing depot]

Which is?

[clear tide]

i dont like watching stuff with them. their too loud

[blazing depot]

That's a pick and a half, lol

damned weeb

[ocean vigil]

watching stuff without parents there wasn't really an option for me growing up, you get used to it

[clear tide]

sadly i never got used to it

looking at cancelling prime, but its so good for amazon shopping, but then againg. i have purchased a single item in 2 years time on their webshop lol

[blazing depot]

Prime for shipping is like, honestly invaluable if you order with Amazon regularly

[forest sigil]

you ever watched onibaba?

[clear tide]

ok its cancelled

[ocean vigil]

cancel culture strikes again

[blazing depot]

Lake falling prey to the woke leftist mob

[clear tide]

idk what that is, but it held no value anymore

[trim flicker]

I have prime but my parents use it to watch csi or something so no need to cancel it

They're having fun

[hoary charm]

yeah i just use my parents accounts if i ever want to watch something

usually its just their skytv account whenever the rugby is on

[fringe juniper]

Cox n' Crendor

[blazing depot]

I was a big fan of the Cooptional Podcast back then. You know, before TB died. (Fuck cancer.)

[fringe juniper]

RIP TB

A real one

[ocean vigil]

their terraria series was something else

[fringe juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-ego-flashback-ratatouille-gif-22876011

Me remembering the Terraria playthrough

[toxic spoke]

yep and some of those old channels had emotes beyond the 112x112 dimensions
some of the legacy wide emotes

[blazing depot]

Legacy stuff on Twitch is wild in parts, sometimes it surprises me they haven't gotten rid of it

[hoary charm]

load bearing code

[oak lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tatsuya-nakadai-masaki-kobayashi-harakiri-gif-20479421

[haughty steppe]

watched it with my brother 💀

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[oak lodge]

hahaha

[haughty steppe]

Absolute binema

[last eagle]

Sam's™️ curated movies

[fringe juniper]

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/PopCrave/status/1837975428335653007

https://fxtwitter.com/PopCrave/status/1838041296973221974

[blazing depot]

Why is she doubling down. Like... why would you do this,

[fossil basin]

i blame whatsapp

i am that relative who is sent things or conspiracies/fearmongering to factcheck them for my relatives

[oak lodge]

unfortunate

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/PopBase/status/1838316636316766219

[trim flicker]

he knows at least half the website blocked him

[blazing depot]

...

[trim flicker]

unless this still prevents people from seeing the posts? if you block someone you don't see their posts anymore, but they can see yours

Which is still very stupid

[blazing depot]

Next thing will be him removing word filters 100%

Also this just makes way for harassment by proxy, which is exactly what that human shitstain wants

[trim flicker]

i think you'll still be unable to see the posts from people you block yourself, but they can still look at your stuff (while not interacting with it) is what I'm getting

[blazing depot]

Like sure, before you could just use a 2nd account or incongnito mode, but that's effort. Now you can just take a screenshot.

[blazing depot]

Yes, that's what I am talking about.

[trim flicker]

I'm not sure that's exactly legal, I think all sns platforms are required to have an actual block function

That prevents people from looking at what you do and and interacting with you

[blazing depot]

And we already know Elon doesn't give any fucks about legal

[trim flicker]

Unless the required function of "block" is just preventing interactions and not necessarily preventing the person from seeing what you do, idk

[blazing depot]

None of this is complicated. Rn blocks prevents you from seeing them, them from seeing you and any and all interactions. Afterwards it will only block you from seeing them and interactions.

The result of that I described above.

[trim flicker]

yeah

[blazing depot]

Actually never mind about the word filter, next thing he'll implement is making accounts going into private mode a premium feature

[marsh oracle]

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2024/09/23/state-sen-mike-mcdonnell-deflates-gop-hopes-for-nebraska-winner-take-all-in-2024/

The 269-269 meme scenario has been averted

Still a crazy story and shows how republicans are willing to change any rule to favor themselves if they get the chance to

[blazing depot]

Guess who definitely will have an inner party primary challenger next time

[marsh oracle]

He switched from democrats to republicans since the last election so hes probably the best shot the gop has at that seat lol

[blazing depot]

Watch them say that the Dems sent him on purpose

[hoary charm]

the only positive to this is getting rid of the "you're blocked" trophies people seem to hold onto

otherwise it just looks like turning block into mute for the most part

[blazing depot]

https://fixupx.com/Acyn/status/1838385754466324847

He sounds like a charcter from Jupiter Ascending waiting to harvest

(I hope this reference is lost on most people here cause god, that movie is awful)

Ah yes, The Weave™️
https://fixupx.com/Acyn/status/1838369130271117511

[trim flicker]

lol

[marsh oracle]

If this guy wins hes getting 25th ammended within 2 years I would bet

[fringe juniper]

Is it 2020 again?

I miss Biden. He was fight the Medicare or something like that

[blazing depot]

https://fixupx.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1837521857362514337?t=xqHhdF_mhz--3LUAVwqonw&s=19

I wonder if he can even dumb himself down that much

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/kos_data/status/1838336803918745890

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/Dexerto/status/1838293326694391813

community comment is also right, just shared because never understood why telegram was viewed as an extremely safer alternative than whatsapp, which is already known to give information to governmental organizations or such if wanted

i just do not care too much due me not necessarily being in a shady situation, or being a famous person

[blazing depot]

https://fixupx.com/Acyn/status/1838644808455459249

Bruh

Also
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/haitian-nonprofit-in-springfield-files-criminal-charges-against-donald-trump-jd-vance

[dire canopy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKtbGgOaYY8

[ocean vigil]

ofc it's justin

[blazing depot]

I guess the "Too soon?" period is over

[marsh oracle]

There never was one

[fringe juniper]

[forest sigil]

Oopsie https://x.com/NewsWire_US/status/1838649914017939732?t=KVpaw7i_F4nFS8a8swQnlg&s=19

NewsWire (@NewsWire_US) on X

Trump misspeaking in Georgia campaign event: "We gave you the greatest tax hikes in the history of our country."

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 6:41 PM

[marsh oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8QxcIcVVY sorry but we already got this weeks greatest misspeak

[hoary charm]

considering hamas has a history of stealing aid, he's not that far off despite misspeaking

[marsh oracle]

perhaps i have treated the youtube comments too harshly

[vital needle]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DAUElwvx38k/?igsh=MjNucTRqZGR1Yjkw

Man all these people complaining about dead kids

Why cant they understand that israel won a war 50 years ago???

Jesus just stop with the moaning already

[livid frigate]

https://www.propublica.org/article/gaza-palestine-israel-blocked-humanitarian-aid-blinken

Saw this today too

[eager parrot]

can't see this post, but what is your point? my sarcasm detector is broken when online.

[fringe juniper]

He's being sarcastic. Though it is hard to tell sometimes here.

[eager parrot]

Yeah... I've read very similar sentiments elsewhere and they were being serious and unironic so it can get hard to tell, but I suppose I should have realized it is sarcasm because it is collarbone

[fringe juniper]

True

[blazing depot]

Come now guys, you make it sound like Israel is waging a war or something. It's just warlike operations. It's fiiiiine. De-escalation via escalation.

Only the biggest brain strategies

[trim flicker]

Embed on this shows Haitian nonprofit in Springfield files criminal charges against Don... for me it's over

what did i do man

[forest sigil]

spread misinfo

[trim flicker]

its so over

[forest sigil]

it's ok elon has your back 👍

[vital needle]

Weird I dont see why it wouldnt show. It's some profiles of lebanese victims from today's terrorist attacks

Sorry I meant reasoned defensive actions against selected targets

Just in case you were curious how it looks

[forest sigil]

https://x.com/AP/status/1838731460846506047

The Associated Press (@AP) on X

Judge to approve auctions liquidating Alex Jones' Infowars to help pay Sandy Hook families https://t.co/HZtnbCI26i

Twitter · Sep 25, 2024, 12:05 AM

[fringe juniper]

As a certified peace advocate, I believe those children were the war criminals/s

[trim flicker]

Hell yeah

[dusky rapids]

i wish someone could liquidate me

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-5115017

[eager parrot]

might be some sort of instagram censorship, I don't know, this is what it shows me on phone, and two different PC browsers

both logged in and not logged in

but yeah I see Israel's peaceful mission against hezbollah is going well with their targets, you could even call it a special military operation to liberate the lebanese.

maybe they haven't thought of that, or don't even need that kind of PR spin.

[blazing depot]

They called it "warlike operation" instead. Can't steal Putin's story beats.

[trim flicker]

I'm sure the bombing won't radicalize anyone and make them join hezbollah

https://apnews.com/article/un-general-assembly-iran-president-pezeshkian-bca11f4148e60d84a39f85cde78fa2bf

Also this is interesting, didn't know they had reopened negotiations about their nuclear program

[eager parrot]

yep, and there's the other line you mentioned as well: https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1837628977692791035/

Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) on X

U.S. officials told me they recognize Israel's "de-escalation through escalation" rational and agree with it, but stress this is an "extremely difficult calibration" that could easily go out of control and lead to an all-out war

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 11:04 PM

which is probably one of the more ridiculous things to come out of the last few years of global conflicts

It's a classic 'the beatings will continue until morale improves'

[trim flicker]

Wonder how many red lines set by the US Israel has crossed

Probably all of them

[blazing depot]

de-escalation through escalation
Also known as war btw

[eager parrot]

I don't think there are any red lines

when it comes to US-Israel

[trim flicker]

I mean, they pretended there were

On official communications

[eager parrot]

I suspect the only real red line would be Israel using nukes but even then there will be mental gymnastics to justify it

[trim flicker]

Also gotta say it's not suspicious at all that Netanyahu is holding off all peace negotiations until the US election happens lol

[fringe juniper]

Peace through war; the neocon way

[eager parrot]

worked out real well for US in the last 35 years of the middle east sandboxes

Afghanistan is back to square 1, possibly even more dangerous than ever before

Iraq is squarely in Iran's sphere of influence

Syria is a half failed state

[fringe juniper]

But what if the WMDs were actually Palestinian kids?

[eager parrot]

The only people who got rich are the ones who were making the weapons and selling them

and the generals being 'gifted' stuff to sign those contracts

[blazing depot]

Now, now. They said they don't have any of those.

[eager parrot]

and the politicians who got work for the factories in their states

[eager parrot]

I blame the French on that one, given the US explicitly did not want Israel to have nukes

but what's done is done, part of the US policies with respect to Israel has been to prevent them from going batshit insane with their nukes and giving them conventional weapons for their politicians' genocidal tendencies in exchange.

[fringe juniper]

Dick Cheney making bank off the Iraq war was simply a happy coincidence

[eager parrot]

the souls of all the killed in action soldiers and the possibly million or so civilian collaterals invigorated the man

he looks younger than when he was VP

[fringe juniper]

Halliburton money is the real fountain of youth

[eager parrot]

actually infuriating just how much manpower and body parts from suspicious sources were used to keep the man alive

[vital needle]

Always nice to blame the french for something

[eager parrot]

it's an american pastime

a tradition really

it's either the brits or the franks

though dutch don't get enough credit for how much they also messed up the world

[fringe juniper]

I always suspect those snail eaters

[livid frigate]

Because one of them will say “I do not support this invasion”

[eager parrot]

the germans' 20th century ventures notwithstanding of course

[fringe juniper]

I blame Germany, too

[blazing depot]

Listen, we have mended our ways.

[vital needle]

If anything israel shouldve been in bavaria

[eager parrot]

yeah to be fair germans have done too much good for the world to balance out the few years of warfare

[vital needle]

If they really wanted to take it out on someone

[livid frigate]

I support the morgenthau plan

[eager parrot]

see if that had happened

we might have already had another world war

let them have their holy land

they can fight for it 'til the end of time

let's not ruin bayern, still one of my favorite places in germany

[livid frigate]

We can ruin Bayern

[eager parrot]

if only I could understand a word they were saying

[blazing depot]

Bayern is basically the Quebec of Germany

Just less French

[eager parrot]

pretty much, both the good and the bad

[fossil basin]

https://fxtwitter.com/rayleearts/status/1838588221006967112

[valid magnet]

https://fixupx.com/groovisphere/status/1838669912367337687

[eager parrot]

new gallup poll is out

https://x.com/Gallup/status/1838601344803832109

Gallup (@Gallup) on X

New Gallup data show the 2024 election environment is favorable to the GOP.

Nearly all Gallup measures that have shown some relationship to past presidential election outcomes or that speak to current perceptions of the two major parties favor the Republican Party over the

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 3:28 PM

https://x.com/Gallup/status/1838675262722171279

Gallup (@Gallup) on X

More U.S. adults identify as Republican or say they lean toward the Republican Party (48%) than identify as or lean Democratic (45%).

Full story: https://t.co/g5sIDx6gl7

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 8:21 PM

[last eagle]

Good

[marsh oracle]

Lol

[eager parrot]

a lot of interesting new data out from them the past couple of days until now, they really go granular with their polls

but always take with a grain of salt of course

[last eagle]

when will the people start to cook?

aka the election day

[eager parrot]

like people really don't like JD Vance much but Tim Walz isn't significantly ahead either

https://x.com/Gallup/status/1838307638070681628

Gallup (@Gallup) on X

About one in five U.S. adults do not yet have an opinion of Democratic Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (19%) or Republican Ohio U.S. Sen. JD Vance (17%).

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 8:01 PM

[eager parrot]

people have already started voting in advance polls

mail-ins are getting sent too

[marsh oracle]

Sometimes I really cant tell if its a language barrier thing or something else

Very puzzling

[eager parrot]

it's a big, diverse, divided country

with a lot of different peoples

and priorities

[marsh oracle]

Oh I dont mean america

America just seems kinda cooked politcally anyway

[eager parrot]

America will be fine, the system is self correcting for anomalies in the long term

it's quite a stable structure

[marsh oracle]

Is giving the president criminal immunity for most actions part of that self correction

[eager parrot]

in the long term, yes

[marsh oracle]

Hmmm

[eager parrot]

instead of looking at it from an election cycle perspective, look at it like the Japanese look at planning, in 50-100 year cycles lol

and from a 50-100 cycle perspective, America has only really improved overall

[marsh oracle]

I guess we have this talk again after another 10/20 years of republicans gerrymandering more districts, changing more electoral college rules and what not

[eager parrot]

well, if the gallup poll is to be given any credit, it seems people just identify more as republican now than they have in more than 30 years, so there must be something in the water

both parties will need time to reflect after these old men are dead

[marsh oracle]

I mean

Actually

Nah

[eager parrot]

and I don't mean Trump and Biden, I mean their entire old guard across both parties

you can't have near comatose people in government making lifechanging decisions, whether it be house and senate of the congress, the supreme court, or the presidency

[toxic spoke]

lol the one guy who's favorable vance and does not know/care who he's running against

[marsh oracle]

Objective reality doesnt exist and trumps plans are actually good

[toxic spoke]

surprised it's not more

[trim flicker]

unfortunate people identify as republican hope they get well soon

[valid magnet]

Ah yes the two genders

Republican and No Opinion on Tim Walz

[toxic spoke]

i'm curious how many us voters we have in this chat when these discussions are happening

[marsh oracle]

From the outside the double standard for republican and democrat politicians are so insane idk

[trim flicker]

At least 1

[toxic spoke]

what are you russian bots telling me to think today

[marsh oracle]

10 years ago shit like the springfield story wouldve killed your political career

But alas

We do a little populism

[toxic spoke]

don't worry i'll make my vote really count here in los angeles county

[eager parrot]

would it have though? 9 years ago some orange demon came down an elevator and called mexicans and latin americans all kinds of bad words and then became president, america is weird like that

[marsh oracle]

Ok make it 15

[eager parrot]

fair, but even then we had a lot of racist shit coming out of GOP during the war on terror

not that the democrats were much better during that though, but certainly didn't stoop as low

[marsh oracle]

Have they found obamas real actual birth certificate yet

[eager parrot]

kind of miss his first time right about now, there was a bit more sanity

second term, not so much

[trim flicker]

It really is a failure of how the dems operate too, they do keep capitulating to the right wing and that just elboldens them more
Their whole strategy for ages has been acting like they're above the GOP nonsense and that doesn't really work

[marsh oracle]

I mean what do you want them to do

[eager parrot]

part of that has to do with democrats doing less ground level work, less grassroots now than they used to do in the 2000's and early 2010's

[marsh oracle]

We had an entire Media cycle about how dem rhetoric is too violent after trump got shot at

[eager parrot]

they feel like they are the natural ruling party, as many elitist liberal parties across the world feel, and as a result they project elitism

[trim flicker]

idk I'm not a political strategist, just pointing out how spineless they have been for ages

[eager parrot]

complacent

rather than spineless

[marsh oracle]

Cant really call the harris campaign complacent tho

[eager parrot]

no, it's a different campaign

[trim flicker]

Harris campaign is a different thing

[eager parrot]

even if she kept a lot of biden people out of necessity

[trim flicker]

I meant more in a historical sense

[eager parrot]

but compare it with biden compaign since 2019, and complacent is a fitting term for it

they're trying a different message, but they really should have done that since like January

not last minute like this

[trim flicker]

Harris campaign has been pretty good with hitting the GOP where it hurts more

And trump specially

Their ego

lol

[marsh oracle]

I would just point out that no republican has won the popular vote for presidency in 20 years

[trim flicker]

Yep

[eager parrot]

the difference has usually been only a couple of percentage points, and generally because of California

[marsh oracle]

What does that even mean

[trim flicker]

And because voting isn't mandatory and there's a lot of obstacles on it

[marsh oracle]

Lots of people means lots of votes

[eager parrot]

California is overwhelmingly more populated than their electoral college votes in terms of ratio, so it causes an unbalance like that, just how it is here

[marsh oracle]

Yes and its fucking stupid is what im saying lol

[trim flicker]

to me voting not being mandatory is weird

[eager parrot]

voting mandatorily somehow feels undemocratic

if people want to opt out, they should be allowed to

[marsh oracle]

At least register people automatically

[eager parrot]

yes that is an issue

voting access is a huge problem here

[marsh oracle]

Holy fuck who came up with voter registration

[fringe juniper]

it isn’t hard to register lol

[trim flicker]

here it's mandatory but if you don't you just gotta justify and pay like a 50 cent fee lol

[eager parrot]

most people get registered if they file their taxes anyway

[marsh oracle]

Also not hard to do it automatically

Like most other first world countries

[fringe juniper]

L countrys

[marsh oracle]

Ah wait I forgot who im talking to

Ignore that

[eager parrot]

while voter access and registration could be made easier, I think it's also part of a good democracy to leave the choice to the voter to do that

[fringe juniper]

Enjoying the box

[eager parrot]

you can register ON voting day here if you want to

right at the polling station

[fringe juniper]

Absolutely

[marsh oracle]

The choice should just be showing up at the booth or not lol

[trim flicker]

Yeah

[eager parrot]

yes, and if you show up and didn't register, you can do so right there

just need your address and ID

and some places don't even need ID which is stupid but it is what it is

[fringe juniper]

ID not hard to get either

[marsh oracle]

Pretty sure you cant do same day registration in every state

[eager parrot]

maybe, I don't know for sure, but if that's the case, it's part of that voting access issues I mentioned, it definitely has room for improvements

are there elements that are intentionally trying to make things more difficult? absolutely we see that in many states especially misguided GOP officials

[marsh oracle]

But speaking of double standards, this recent clip perfectly encapsulates the media landscape I feel like https://fxtwitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1838732598522134608

[eager parrot]

nancy pelosi is part of the old guard that needs to disappear

[marsh oracle]

"Trump says your candidate is fucking regarded, what do you have to say for yourself?"

[eager parrot]

for any of this to have a chance at healing

same for the dinosaurs on the republican side

[fringe juniper]

I mean if I can anyone can

[eager parrot]

yeah I always find the notion that they say some people can't get ID a bit of a racist comment from the democrats' side...

even random hillbillies in the appalachians have IDs

[trim flicker]

I think it helps that here while voting is mandatory it's also a national holiday

As it should be

[marsh oracle]

Oh yea voting on a tuesday

[eager parrot]

THAT is a good point, voting day should be a complete national holiday with mandatory time off

[marsh oracle]

Its always on sunday here

[eager parrot]

like xmas

[dusky rapids]

we have that here yeah

[eager parrot]

BUT I will say there are so many opportunities for advanced voting from 6 weeks before election day, it's really just an excuse if somebody couldn't do it during that time and had to wait until that Tuesday...

[dusky rapids]

free holiday

[fringe juniper]

As a non-white I find the idea we can’t register very insulting

[dusky rapids]

oh right we don't do early voting so makes sense

[eager parrot]

it's just downright racist, as overused as that word is

what do you mean they can't get IDs?

it's mind boggling, most states offer free state IDs even without driver's license

[marsh oracle]

Key word being most

[eager parrot]

and you can use a lot of different documents as voting ID

a tax return, an electricity bill, even birth certificate

[fringe juniper]

Like we don’t have drivers licenses, state ID or if you me tribal ID

[eager parrot]

and if you really don't have any of that, then you probably had no intention of participating in society anyway, let alone voting

[marsh oracle]

You have 50 different version of rulesets around voter registration, getting an id etc

And some of these states like making it difficult

[fringe juniper]

Yes, lots of places have non drivers license ID. Disabled people benefit greatly from them

[marsh oracle]

Just for election security reasons of course, no ulterior motives

[eager parrot]

both the republicans and especially the democrats have had so many opportunities to create concrete laws in congress that address this and trigger supremacy clause to force states for better voter access.

[marsh oracle]

Anybody volunteering in georgia to handcount every vote on the same day? I hear they need more people

[eager parrot]

that's likely going to be ruled illegal

or rather unenforceable

before election day

[marsh oracle]

Have you seen the supreme court

[eager parrot]

it's a stupid thing they did

it's not even proper hand counting of the votes, it's literally just counting the number of ballots casted, rather than who they voted for

[marsh oracle]

Obviously not a lawyer but I would guess its not easy for the federal government to make rules on what are effectively state elections

[fringe juniper]

Oh cool, I looked it up and they accept tribal ID for voting

[eager parrot]

not for state elections you're right, but for national elections there can be enforceable national standards that override state laws

democrats tried to push for it this past couple of years but congress is deadlocked

[marsh oracle]

Curious

[eager parrot]

and they were being disingenious per usual about it anyway, pushing it as part of a much larger bill that did a lot of different things. should have just pushed that one specific part. republicans do the same shit. it's so annoying

it's why I am not against some of the things the supreme court has been doing, because fundamentally they are trying to force congress to work more granular and specific rather than omnibus after omnibus vague laws

it's their job after all

they get paid a lot of money for it

the timing of this dismantling of precedent and regulations though is bad because of how partisan and divided everything has become especially congress

but long term I truly believe it'll self correct out of necessity

ideally supreme court dismantles and congress reviews past laws, removes the bad ones, adds new ones that are more specific and up to date

rather than letting courts and precedent be the only way rules change

think of it like how Microsoft does windows development, until windows 8, it was just all built on top of one another with stuff from all the way since win 3 still somehow around (despite the chaneg to NT), which is what our laws look like right now, lot of contradictions and compatibility issues. then they started to try and streamline and remove a lot of bloat, which is what our lawbooks need right now too.

[fringe juniper]

Oh goodness I forgot Win8 existed (off topic but still)

[marsh oracle]

I guess at least it will be interesting to see whats left to correct back after 4 more years of trump and the people around him

The great american experiment never stops

[eager parrot]

I genuinely believe America will be fine regardless of who wins in November

at worst, it'll stagnate a bit longer

there are too many guardrails ||(including state sponsored assassination if push comes to shove)|| to make sure it doesn't all fall apart or become tyrannical

too much money, too many vested interests, too many complex systems of administration and governance

[fringe juniper]

We'll be fine

well everyone but this channel maybe

[ocean vigil]

cool, what are the guardrails about the world economics going to shit and it's effect on usa?

[eager parrot]

wouldn't be the first time the US has gone through a massive recession or even depression

until US currency is base currency of the world at least they can just press a button and print more

[marsh oracle]

Something like 70% of republicans to this day believe the last election was stolen

[eager parrot]

you say something repeatedly and loud enough, people start to believe it

[marsh oracle]

The rising distrust in democracy would be a worrying trend for me combined with trumps continued push to spread more of it

[eager parrot]

maybe it'll be a trigger for democratic reform for the better after trump is gone.

we can all agree there is room for improvement in any democratic system

[marsh oracle]

Or for the worse while trump is there lol

[eager parrot]

true

but I doubt he'll do anything like that, just as the first term didn't end the world and all the liberals didn't escape to canada

[ocean vigil]

it did enough damage to the world

[eager parrot]

did it though?

[marsh oracle]

ya it didnt end but not because trump didnt try

[ocean vigil]

if you think trump being buddy buddy with the dictators did not make the situation in the world worse we really have nothing to talk about

and that is not talking about all the populist in the world seeing that beign a fucking lying pig is viable way

and all the covid bs

like how is that even a question lmao

[eager parrot]

sometimes I feel like we lived through alternate timelines

what covid BS?

he started the "warpspeed" vaccine development, didn't he?

he wanted to close the borders to china when it became clear what the source was and was called racist by the democrats

Fauci was his NIH director

[fringe juniper]

I remember the people that claimed they'd never take the "trumpvax" lol

[marsh oracle]

do you think calling it the china virus was a constructive contribution to dealing with covid?

[eager parrot]

when russia was still soviet union, US presidents often maintained a firm relation with the leaders of the communist party as a way to keep the lines of communication open and prevent ... catastrophe.

I don't think Trump maintaining a relationship with Russia or North Korea was making the world worse, I think cutting those connections is what's causing all the fuckery right now.

[eager parrot]

it was a valid way to call it for somebody that old, since that's how viruses were usually named until recent years

[marsh oracle]

do we have to do the whole ukraine dance again

[eager parrot]

was it stupid? probably

but it wasn't that off base

[marsh oracle]

do you have any strong convictions about anything

[eager parrot]

see it becomes personal when they have nothing else to add. okay I'm out.

[trim flicker]

Are we pretending the huge wave of misinformation and fearmongering about vaccines back then didnt happen

[marsh oracle]

a valid way to call it for somebody that old

like come on

hes the fucking president of the united states

[eager parrot]

do you want a list of viruses and diseases named after very specific countries, cities, peoples', animals, etc? because it exists!

[marsh oracle]

why are we grading him on a curve like hes in some electrical engineering course in college

[ocean vigil]

apparently

[marsh oracle]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/many-such-cases

wow look at that

[eager parrot]

that was after he was out of office, back then democrats swore they'd never take a rushed vaccine developed by Trump's people lol, how things change in time...

[marsh oracle]

wat

democrats in the same way rfk jr is a democrat?

[eager parrot]

seriously, we must have lived through different timelines, or just have different long-term memory capacities

[fringe juniper]

I remember doctors getting banned off Facebook for saying to wear a mask

[eager parrot]

I wish we got more STEM people in politics, but alas politicians are too dumb.

[marsh oracle]

ok i have a question

do you think trump is dumber than the average politician

[eager parrot]

no I think he's about as dumb as the average politician

the average politician is really really dumb

[marsh oracle]

ok

[trim flicker]

I'll admit I'm pretty bad with placing things on a specific timeframe
But either way what I said is still true, he and conservative pundits everywhere were spreading tons of misinformation about vaccines and are pretty much responsible for the growth of the anti-vaxx sentiment in recent times

Did he push for vaccines in office? Awesome
Should've kept doing it instead of aiding on the misinformation against it

Also I'm pretty sure his administration was found spreading misinformation about Sinovac in Asia and the Middle East

[hoary charm]

sometimes i forget the context of some trumpisms despite using them often

[blazing depot]

Man, I have to bite my tongue here.

Voter registration should be automatic and you should also automatically receive an election notification for every voter in the household, how would that even be a contentious stance to take. It's like the whole "Healthcare shouldn't be universal and free" take that many Americans seem to have, just mind boggling. For some things it's not a bad thing to have the government do things, you know?
Basic IDs should always be free cause if they're not you already have a hurdle that actually poor people can't and won't take because if you have the choice between feeding your kids and going to vote you''ll do the former. And if you wanna post here and pretend that hurdle is insignifant you're either stupid, willfully ignorant of the reality poor people live in or just a typical Trump voter trying to justify your poor choices by downplaying actual problems.

[fringe juniper]

[near jetty]

Wisconsin is trying to undo the doomsday event that was Scott walker

[fringe juniper]

How are people working without any id tho

[toxic spoke]

anecdotally this is true and something I’ve heard from people close to me
and the argument against rushing the vaccine was that none of his voters wanted to take it anyways

[toxic spoke]

but I agree he definitely downplayed it when it mattered most

and then tried to take credit for it

[marsh oracle]

statistically vaccination rates among democrats were always a lot higher than among republicans

pretty sure the sentiment among dems was more listening to fauci over the guy peddling hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as covid cures

[blazing depot]

Just drink bleach, bro

[marsh oracle]

think people often forget just how much stupid shit trump says

[hoary charm]

damn it did really come out in late 2020

[blazing depot]

Should also be noted that the notion of not taking a rushed through vaccine was, you know, smart? The raging pandemic notwithstanding shit needs to be tested properly still.

[hoary charm]

thought it was way later

[toxic spoke]

approved then, I got mine Jan 2021 which was way sooner than most

[marsh oracle]

the first one in the west also was astrazeneca and did turn out to be worse in some ways than the others

[near jetty]

I remember it came out late 2020 because they let vaccinated fans back into nfl stadiums

[marsh oracle]

and eventually got pushed out as the others got more available

[blazing depot]

That shit was essentially only viable for the highest risk cases

[marsh oracle]

and even then that poll is very far from "back then democrats swore they'd never take a rushed vaccine developed by Trump's people"

[hoary charm]

i think ours came out mid to late 2021?

[near jetty]

https://x.com/annakleiber03/status/1838716948303012295

Anna Kleiber (@annakleiber03) on X

Exclusive: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to campaign in Madison on behalf of Harris-Walz campaign (me via @dailycardinal)
https://t.co/lWdfWCZf0c

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 11:07 PM

[brave pelican]

where have i seen this before lol

[valid magnet]

first one is the infamous Tumblr dashcon, second one is the Willy Wonka shit

[marsh oracle]

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/41398652/euro-2024-review-says-germany-deserved-penalty-spain alright we gotta redo the tournament now

[last eagle]

https://twitter.com/IndoPopBase/status/1838858807801155618?t=Af1s73W1ZXM0kg4MxP40-Q&s=19

Indonesian Pop Base (@IndoPopBase) on X

Instagram reportedly has been quietly deleting archived stories and turning old videos into photos.

Twitter · Sep 25, 2024, 8:31 AM

for archivers, i wish you the best luck

[eager parrot]

Almost all democracies require photo ID or another approved ID and/or registration card/certificate when voting, I don't understand why this is such a contentious idea. I agree that Basic IDs should be free and easily accessible, and for the most part that is the case in the US as well. I do take issue with the idea that poor people somehow can't and won't get photo IDs given they are absolute essentials for participating in society. It's insulting to say otherwise especially when Democrats make it about 'minorities'.

You can register same day in most US states if you didn't ahead of time. And usually if you register once, and file your tax returns annually, most states auto register you on their list anyway.

It should not be a contentious idea that you have to prove who you are at the polling station or on a mail-in in order to vote. Photo IDs are the easiest and fastest way to do that, and non-photo IDs are like birth certificate or even an electricity bill is also easy to check against the registration list.

The 'auto' register part can be streamlined, tied to different things like annual tax return filings or other regular government business people partake in.

I did concede in the conversation earlier that national voting laws and voting access can and should be more streamlined across the nation and only congress can do that.

[marsh oracle]

most or almost half?

i think in general nobody really has an issue with requiring id to vote, provided getting an id is relatively easy and accessible, but i have a feeling these things dont correlate, could be wrong

[eager parrot]

With an ID, you can easily confirm their residency, it's a solid proof of residency. With the way registration works, they send a special type of non-forwardable mail to confirm the residence of the registered voter.

It's really not that hard to register, it might be difficult to comprehend compared to other democracies where things like tax returns and such are also auto-filled, and there are universal healthcare registration and healthcare cards and all that, but we don't have any of that here generally

So auto registration requires such a massive overhaul at both state and national level, both democrats and republicans avoid it despite having been in power at various points to make it happen.

As I said, you have to get congress to act on this and they've avoided the issue for many decades.

In order to auto register, you have to have a system that accounts for everybody who lives in your state at any given time, verify their identity, their citizenship status, their residency status, etc. We just don't have that nationally and in most states. We can't even keep track of who is in the country properly.

Thus, you have to register, it's a pretty simple process by online application, phone, mail, in-person, etc. There are even roving packs of underpaid or volunteer campaign workers going door to door to remind you multiple times in the lead-up to the election.

[eager parrot]

After looking up the current state of things, you're right, it's not most. It should be all.

But sadly it's only under just half.

We do have national voter registration laws that require certain things from states though, like if you go to any of the major government services, you are uniformly opted into voting, or the state HAS to provide same day registration. It shouldn't have been an "OR" though.

Would have been an easy fix any time democrats had supermajority but alas.

[marsh oracle]

its a good thing we can look at where each of the candidates and by extension their party stands on this

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111123848950685425

[eager parrot]

I wonder if you see me as a Trump voter, because I don't support any of his positions.

[blazing depot]

I do take issue with the idea that poor people somehow can't and won't get photo IDs given they are absolute essentials for participating in society.

You can find that insulting all you want, but matter of fact is there's plenty people who can't and won't afford it. IDs aren't free (they range between 10 and 50$, you know), getting to a place where you can get the ID isn't free, finding someone to take care of your kids while you porentially spend hours waiting at the DMV isn't free.

I will agree that in states with on site registration that's not as much of an issue, but as you just saw for yourself, that's less than half of the states

[marsh oracle]

i mean you do pretty much call both parties equally bad on every issue but i have a feeling i could find a lot of examples of democrats expanding voter registration and republicans trying to restrict or block it

[eager parrot]

Then based on what I've been saying, I'm sure you realize my position on voter registration and voter access is far closer to the democrats than the republicans.

[marsh oracle]

but dont worry, at worst i would have you down as a non voter

[eager parrot]

I always vote, there's like 90 things to vote on the ballot. The choice of the president is only one of them and you can always choose not to pick between two terrible choices there.

[marsh oracle]

sure, i meant the presidential election

[eager parrot]

american ballots are not one page where you just tick off the presidential election's candidate choice

sadly, it would have been nice if it was limited to that, and everything else held another time, but people don't participate much in the other times

[marsh oracle]

i wonder if anybody has every tangled themselves in that giant piece of paper

[eager parrot]

It's so stupid

they even put all kinds of referendum type questions on there

like who has time to think about all that on the spot? I bet most people just randomly tick on names and choices after like the 10th line...

[blazing depot]

I mean... you already know the answer to that problem, right?

[marsh oracle]

society should have evolved past referendums when brexit happened

or simple majority referendums at least

[eager parrot]

or adopted Swiss system

[marsh oracle]

afaik that is just a simple majority referendum

[eager parrot]

yes but much more frequently

[blazing depot]

Swiss system is rather dubious at times

[eager parrot]

it really seems to work only for them, I don't think it's applicable in most other societies

they're ... unique peoples.