Sad the bar is so low but it is what it is
#Misc Chat
keen nest
marsh oracle
Everybody likes to pretend that the president has a magic economy lever but they really dont
keen nest
Job loss argument is so fucking stupid like every country experienced significant job loss
Because we were in a fucking global pandemic
Paint chip eater argument
fossil basin
Everybody likes to pretend that the president has a magic economy lever but they...
this can be true within specific contexts
marsh oracle
And if youre gonna acknolwedge that trumps economy was fucked because of the pandemic you also have to acknowledge that the high inflation rates were due to the pandemic
But trump doesnt do that, he directly blames biden for it
fossil basin
this can be true within specific contexts
if the president does not understand economics yet overreach his powers, or that there is massive amounts of personal money laundering and drug trade going on, it might as well be true, or spending excessive amounts to show off
marsh oracle
Trumps tariff plan is still extremely stupid
Like he legit does not understand what a tariff even is and I wish somebody would ask him to explain it
fossil basin
I am not saying this to defend Trump, which i have no interest of, i am more saying this because there are situations where they do have those "magic economic levers"
Trump's tariff plan is not one of those however
marsh oracle
this can be true within specific contexts
Nah
The president doesnt even control the interest rates set by the federal reserve
fossil basin
The president doesnt even control the interest rates set by the federal reserve
he does
atleast here he does
I am not calling about the US president
I am calling about president(s) around world
fossil basin
Alright
marsh oracle
If your specific context is another country then sure lmao
fossil basin
in that case, yeah
ocean vigil
if your president controls interest rates you have problems
fossil basin
if your president controls interest rates you have problems
i am turkish, we do have a ton of problems
ocean vigil
well you have a dictator, so there's that
fossil basin
i mean i am more saying that it is one of the context where rulers having economic levers would be possible
not that it is an ideal context to have it in
marsh oracle
well you have a dictator, so there's that
Hey, the us might have too soon
Maybe turkey and the us wont be so different
ocean vigil
let me cope until it happens
fossil basin
Maybe turkey and the us wont be so different
i mean each neo-nationalist conspiracy and even the rising far-right is %90 imported from that of US
atleast the conspiracies themselves are
hoary charm
the US funding ukraine is far cheaper than the US getting dragged into a NATO war against russia
ocean vigil
imported and made more stupid
marsh oracle
I mean trump wouldnt be dragged into a nato war
fossil basin
imported and made more stupid
yep
marsh oracle
He would just let europe be invaded
ocean vigil
don't get me started about our version of sovereign citizens
fossil basin
maybe it's because i am homotron3000, but i could not give less shits about the "great ethnic replacement" theories going on here
like what gives
ocean vigil
mf-ers are pretending that Czechoslovakia never split
marsh oracle
Lmfao
hoary charm
He would just let europe be invaded
which would either trigger NATO article 5, or if the US pulls out of NATO somehow then the US' reputation is fucked and signals to iran/russia/china/nk that they're free to do whatever they want
fossil basin
i am worried that democrats also fall into dehumanizing immigrants
forest sigil
mf-ers are pretending that Czechoslovakia never split
They're just making up countries now smh
fossil basin
not specialized to them, but overall within the world
hoary charm
are you on about US dems or somewhere else
fossil basin
are you on about US dems or somewhere else
a lot of places actually
hoary charm
cause if its US dems then theyre the complete opposite of dehumanizing immigrants
fossil basin
cause if its US dems then theyre the complete opposite of dehumanizing immigrant...
i mean they haven't combatted Trump's bullshit claims going on
forest sigil
It certainly helps that a good chunk of elected dems are immigrants or from immigrant families
hoary charm
i mean they haven't combatted Trump's bullshit claims going on
what lol
marsh oracle
Yea no dem spoke out against that fake pet eating story
fossil basin
It certainly helps that a good chunk of elected dems are immigrants or from immi...
a lot of turkish people, powerful or not, who wants to mass-kill immigrants, are from immigrant families themselves, that does not tell much
marsh oracle
If you think the dems havent been combatting this youre not looking enough
But ive seen a few lefties on twitter say the same 
fossil basin
If you think the dems havent been combatting this youre not looking enough
they had continued building of that trumpian wall across mexican border and were bragging about how they are "keeping the illegals out"
marsh oracle
Are we talking about legal or illegal immigrants
hoary charm
also the dems can't do anything about a wall being built if republicans control the senate etc
marsh oracle
Cause if you think theres a political majority for open borders I have a bridge to sell you
Harris afaik has committed to a pathway to citizenship for illegal Immigrants currently in the country and thats as good as you can really expect
Including amnesty for the illegal immigration
fossil basin
Harris afaik has committed to a pathway to citizenship for illegal Immigrants cu...
just fearful that she'll be a Starmer v2
fossil basin
also the dems can't do anything about a wall being built if republicans control ...
they could have prevented the buildup but did not, and it feels odd that they let republicans rule US when they only have the senate and supreme court, when they have the house and presidency
fossil basin
House and president cant overrule the senate 2 on 1
I know
but bills go to house, then to senate, no?
i mean that'd atleast help with not passing up some bills if not managing to pass the ones they wanted
forest sigil
House -> Senate -> President -> sometimes SC
If you don't have all it's hard to pass stuff
President can veto anything they want
hoary charm
there's nothing wrong with enforcing your soverign borders either so 
forest sigil
Republicans have it
fossil basin
wait, wasn't house a big dem majority currently?
are both house and Senate controlled by republicans atm?
marsh oracle
No
forest sigil
Republicans have House and SC
marsh oracle
The senate is split in half I think?
forest sigil
Senate is dead tie
fossil basin
Senate is dead tie
oh right, i misremembered
blazing depot
wait, wasn't house a big dem majority currently?
Depends what year you are living in rn
marsh oracle
But 2 of the dems have to role play as republicans cause their states are like rep+30
fossil basin
Depends what year you are living in rn
I thought 2022 was a victory for dems, which it wasn't apparently
marsh oracle
Well it got better than before
blazing depot
It was in the sense that everyone expected far worse
forest sigil
2022 allows for some bipartisan bills to be voted on
fossil basin
It was in the sense that everyone expected far worse
oh true
forest sigil
But Trump ordered his cronies to kill some bills
fossil basin
people expected a far-right sweep that did not happen
blazing depot
I will say this, anyone who thinks Trump had any valid plans beyond fearmongering to win elections to deal with immigrants is a laughable moron.
Dude did two things, build a few miles of wall that doesn't do anything and some nice cozy vacation homes concentration camps where he put people in literal cages and completely illegaly seperated families that never found back together. (which yes, did not go away under Biden, but you know)
marsh oracle
he has concepts of a plan tho
blazing depot
What you need is proper legislation to deal with the reality of currentday to bring the people in, not to stop them at the border at all cost. Your shitty country is literally built on nothing but wave after wave of immigrants
but I guess the skin colour of the current wave isn't pleasant enough
marsh oracle
nah man, deporting 20 million people wont have any effect on the economy
blazing depot
True
toxic spoke
he has concepts of a plan tho
this is the only video clip i saw 
marsh oracle
https://fxtwitter.com/PopCrave/status/1833681149081588116 you at least gotta see this one
blazing depot
Truly amazing stuff
toxic spoke
he just be saying stuff jd vance wrote up
toxic spoke
Even funnier
marsh oracle
And I believe him, who would want to talk to that guy
blazing depot
Even his wife only talked to him after he slashed her tires to get her to talk to him to start dating (true story)
Truly a romantic
hoary charm
https://fxtwitter.com/PopCrave/status/1833681149081588116 you at least gotta see...
he said he saw it on television, it must be true
blazing depot
Well, Infowars is dead, needed to look elsewhere for sources
fossil basin
https://fxtwitter.com/PopCrave/status/1833681149081588116 you at least gotta see...
i also do wonder why eating dogs/cats are considered way different than other animals
i mean not other people's pets, but main animals
marsh oracle
Culture diff
fossil basin
i am not vegan or nothing close even, i just love myself food, but unless the animals are abused overall, i do not see much wrong with the specific aspect of eating those, people ate those in medieval and ancient times
i do not think i will eat cat or dog, and it's not even something that happens here, but like, it just seems odd to me that i agree with the vegan arguement of
it is one of the most contraversial thoughts i hold
marsh oracle
The reality is that most people just inherit what animals are ok to eat and which one arent from their environment and never think too deeply about it
fossil basin
The reality is that most people just inherit what animals are ok to eat and whic...
yeah
unless it's poisonous or toxic to eat, or like, unlawful (don't want to be jailed over food of all things), i will atleast try the taste of it
oak lodge
good backread nice and funny
eager parrot
It's kind of wild to see the gaslighting on social media regarding Ohio and the Haitians situation as if this is something new and unknown
As somebody who doesn't quite live in Clarke County, Ohio, but nearby enough, the stories of Haitian asylum seekers who were essentially dropped off here by plane during the last 4 years eating cats, wild geese, and performing voodoo in the streets at night is very common and pretty prominent here. As far as hard evidence goes, I haven't looked into it.
livid frigate
The Haitian scare is crazy. It’s like it’s fucking 1815 again
eager parrot
It works for Ohio and nearby states, people love to eat up fearmongering for better or worse
livid frigate
As somebody who doesn't quite live in Clarke County, Ohio, but nearby enough, th...
It’s just a different twist on scary immigrant comes to town stories
eager parrot
well as Kairu said earlier, there's nothing wrong with enforcing your sovereign borders
and if immigration follows a proper vetting procedure as is laid out in the books, the people you end up getting are able to assimilate pretty quickly and want to be there
versus what the southern states have been doing by the planeload and busload dumping whoever they don't want in their states up here in the midwest or even further in the northeast.
It's a failure at all levels of government from the top to the bottom
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Immigrant fear mongering there is wild and that's pretty much exclusively the dems fault for not really fighting back against it and caving for that super right wing bill and falling for the border crisis narrative lol
Under Biden they had no real messaging against the allegations that immigrants are all basically all r*pist murderers that are taking your job
Gotta remember the illegal immigrants they're mentioning do also include undocumented ones that are like about 50% of all farm workers in the US iirc
That due to that work under no protection whatsoever and are basically treated as slaves
Yep
Just slavery
livid frigate
Don’t forget all the illegal immigrants are getting fat off our money and getting free transgender operations
livid frigate
Just slavery
Don’t worry. We have carceral slavery too
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Can't forget that one
livid frigate
The US cannot survive without forced labor
forest sigil
Gotta remember the illegal immigrants they're mentioning do also include undocum...
Hope this is legible, but it's also old data from 2018
eager parrot
Immigrant fear mongering there is wild and that's pretty much exclusively the de...
Under Biden, they actively continued many of Trump's immigration and border control policies.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-health-venezuela-donald-trump-mexico-409a67bb33d547bc5438a4d7160576f6
https://apnews.com/article/biden-us-mexico-border-wall-immigration-texas-f99fd10257292a898618236df3613979
https://apnews.com/article/immigration-biden-trump-election-3e27793981ecda46d1b87d996f04dce0
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Yeah it's stupid and only made the fear mongering worse
eager parrot
Many of which were enforcement or continuation of Obama's policies in the first place
we have to stop pretending like what any of these politicians say is what they really mean or will deliver on
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Cause they were giving validity to the "immigrant issue" without any counter messaging on what the issue actually was
eager parrot
They don't have a counter messaging. Shit's bad and nobody's listening anyway
scapegoating is all they've got because they have no solution that anybody would like for any of these problems
and the solutions people WOULD actually like, these politicians will never deliver because their donors and the billionaire class won't like it
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Hope this is legible, but it's also old data from 2018
Looks about right
Probably larger by now but yea i don't think percentage wise it changed a lot
eager parrot
Hope this is legible, but it's also old data from 2018
It's still not too bad, native share is above 50-60% in many of the cases, and legal immigrant share is 10-30% in most cases. American businesses love to pay below minimum wages and provide wageslave conditions to keep prices low and suppress both native wages as well as keep inflation down and increase their bottom line. Whether that's through illegal immigrant workers, temporary foreign workers, or incarcerated labor which is literally a form of slavery.
And since neither side want to address this, as many of the business class are their donors and want this situation continued, they'll just focus on messaging instead of actions. PR over substance.
marsh oracle
and the solutions people WOULD actually like, these politicians will never deliv...
What do you think is the solution people like on illegal immigrants
Including the ones currently here
Or there I guess since im not american
Cause this is really easy to say but I think in reality the policies each person thinks are the solution either dont even have positive favorability rating in the american public or that positive favorability isnt reflected in the legislative
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This also a multifaceted issue bc a most of the people who see immigrants as an issue only really see that as an issue because they think it's affecting their lives and making it worse
When that's probably just capitalism making shit worse for you
marsh oracle
Imo at some point you just have to realize that the senate is just blocking most of the shit people like cause its heavily biased towards republicans and people keep voting for them
Im gonna join you in the political cynicism corner when I see left leaning parties fucking shit up without being obviously sabotaged by right leaning parties
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A classic
Dems are far from being left ofc but it's also true that whenever they try to put anything good forwards republicans find a way of making it worse
marsh oracle
Theyre seemingly as far left as the american public allows
eager parrot
they aren't even left of center as a party as far as their platform goes
oak lodge
And since neither side want to address this, as many of the business class are t...
quelling fears among minority issues is a psychologically important strategy used by all politicians and markets to those directly affected or those who sympathise with them. It's just artistry at this point
It's amazing and inspiring :)
marsh oracle
And I think theres very interesting conversations to be had about why people keep voting republicans from the media landscape to the gender gap in voting patterns and all that jazz
eager parrot
but I also want to hear more about this left leaning parties not fucking shit up when not sabotaged by right leaning parties
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that's partially their fault too cause they often try to appeal to the right and give ground to them
eager parrot
can you cite an example of left being in absolute control and things going well?
marsh oracle
But putting all that off under the guide of "both parties are the same and bought by the same donors" seems very intellectually lazy to me
eager parrot
because historically left or right having complete control across the board has been ... disasterious to say the least
there's a reason they keep each other in check and striking the right balance results in a harmonious democracy
oak lodge
weight-counterweight
eager parrot
sure, US right now is far from that, but that doesn't mean abolishing one side or the other completely and leaving one in unchecked power as the "natural ruling party" or whatever
the closest to things going well overall as a demcoracy I can think of is my native Denmark or similar nordic countries and Switzerland
marsh oracle
Not sure who youre talking to but I never mentioned abolishing one side
eager parrot
Im gonna join you in the political cynicism corner when I see left leaning parti...
you mentioned this though, and I directly asked whether you have an example of this
marsh oracle
The dems had a supermajority for a relatively short time in 2009-2010 iirc and got the aca passed, that seems pretty good to me
eager parrot
because there are plenty of examples of left leaning parties fucking shit up with no right leaning parties present
trim flicker
nah ur cooking abolish the right wing entirely
ocean vigil
are we just ignoring the huge fucking space between "not being present" and "sabotaging everything"?
oak lodge
that'd be a disaster at the civilian level don
marsh oracle
The republicans will not let dems pass anything they can prevent
Hell they wont even let them appoint supreme court justices if they can prevent it
eager parrot
The republicans will not let dems pass anything they can prevent
and the democrats do the same when the situations are reversed
this is not unique
marsh oracle
Oh please point me to the supreme court appointee they blocked for years
eager parrot
let's not forget it was the democrats that changed the rules to appoint supreme court justices with simple majorities whereas before the standard was different
republicans just used what the democrats had allowed in the first place for their own benefit
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and the democrats do the same when the situations are reversed
Yeah but what are they blocking and why
marsh oracle
Uh
Republicans implemented the nuclear option for supreme court appointments in 2017
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Republican bill be like: deport all immigrants and jail for any women who seeks abortion
Democrat bill: maybe increase taxes on the rich by 0.2%
eager parrot
Yeah but what are they blocking and why
you're asking for nuance. these politicians don't even read what they are voting on
trim flicker
Maybe one of those needs to be sabotaged
marsh oracle
Hes asking for nuance from you
eager parrot
at this point, nobody's paying attention here because politics is all theater and not substance. when it comes to sending money to ukraine or israel, they're all on board
trim flicker
No one's denying that both are shit parties
And both do the same tactics very often
marsh oracle
Youre constantly pretending these parties are the same when in reality one of them at least walks in the same reality and can differentiate facts from made up fiction
eager parrot
Maybe one of those needs to be sabotaged
well good luck with that, thankfully we don't live in a republic where the new ruling party just prosecutes the old ruling party mercilessly, except under Biden administration.
marsh oracle
oak lodge
you're asking for nuance. these politicians don't even read what they are voting...
gets redrafted and washes up unpassable
marsh oracle
Do you think what trump did before and on january 6 was illegal?
trim flicker
You sound like a jackass
marsh oracle
Do you think trump taking various classified documents and actively preventing the government from rerieving them is good?
eager parrot
I'm sure it was illegal, but it is for our so-called justice system to decide eventually.
marsh oracle
Oh and do you think trump lost the 2020 election and if yes do you think its fine for him to keep claiming it was a fraudulent result?
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It may be hard for your american brain to see people facing consequences for attempting a coup i guess
marsh oracle
Ok let me rephrase
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Fucking stupid stuff
eager parrot
I like how you turned this from a political conversation into a personal insults and interrogation session. Good job.
And you wonder why the two sides can't converse with one another without attacks on the political scene.
marsh oracle
Do you think trump and his team drafting up several fake slates of electors to send to congress and begging Mike Pence to overturn the result of the election was moral?
trim flicker
well good luck with that, thankfully we don't live in a republic where the new r...
Bro you literally went "lol haha at least I'm not in Brazil" here
marsh oracle
Oh btw he didnt deny this, he claimed presidents are immune from prosecution for it
trim flicker
just with many words
ocean vigil
I mean if you think Schmali's questions are interrogation that says a lot
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Sounding like the most entitled centrist person ever
marsh oracle
My point overall being that biden isnt prosecuting the previous administration because theyre his political opponent but because trump literally tried to coup the us government and to this day still cant admit he lost the election
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I guess i should've phrased my contempt on a lighter educated tone instead of calling it stupid
marsh oracle
(Not to get into the whole biden != doj stuff)
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Prosecuting the previous administration if they attempt a coup is good i think
marsh oracle
Nope democracies should just roll over
ocean vigil
didn't go too well for us in 1948
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Also a reminder that the US was secretly involved on the operation that got Lula in jail
marsh oracle
The israeli declaration of independence?
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marsh oracle
didn't go too well for us in 1948
I actually cant think of which event you mean here lmao
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Classic
eager parrot
I actually cant think of which event you mean here lmao
1948 Czechoslovak coup
ocean vigil
I actually cant think of which event you mean here lmao
english wiki has it as 1948 Czechoslovak coup d'état, which seems more charged than how we talk about it
marsh oracle
Oh that one
eager parrot
where a leftist party assumed control of a country for 40+ years without opposition, turned out great
ocean vigil
i mean we don't have to pretend that it being left or right party mattered
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ocean vigil
it was party backed by soviets, that is the important bit
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Yep
marsh oracle
Ok let me clear, authoritarianism bad
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Can't believe brazil keeps prosecuting the previous administration without any interference from other countries at all
eager parrot
Also Don I didn't mention Brazil at all, the situation of a so-called republic prosecuting former ruling party officials when they lose an election is neither unique to Brazil nor to South America, or even most of the world where they have some kind of democracy.
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Nah you said that before referring to Brazil when we were talking on this chat
eager parrot
previously, sure, but not this time. this time it was in response to your assertion that a whole political wing of a country's democracy deserves to be abolished
for various illegal or immoral actions I'm sure, but that wasn't so clear initially
trim flicker
Sure I'll believe you on that one
But yeah
what happened here is a bunch of mess that was heavily supported by secret involvement from the US
like they usually do
livid frigate
what happened here is a bunch of mess that was heavily supported by secret invol...
The US would never do that to a foreign country
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They would never prop up a right wing government in south america
eager parrot
Nobody would or should deny the long, massive list of countries that the US intelligence services or otherwise military industrial complex and corporations have destabilized or caused coups in.
South America being the prime target for decades.
But many others too.
marsh oracle
Oh so we are just skipping over the trump coup stuff, good to know
eager parrot
Since you asked, I would not call Jan 6 protests and insurrection a coup, only the most delusional would call it that when comparing to failed or actual coup d'états.
A misguided, violent civil riot in the country's capitol that lasted several hours, sure.
People who participated and broke federal laws being prosecuted for it, also fair, within the limits of the constitution for reasonable punishments.
A coup? That's laughable really.
trim flicker
Well it's still an attempted coup cause that was their goal and they tried to achieve it
marsh oracle
What about the fake slates of electors?
ocean vigil
just a prank
eager parrot
What about the fake slates of electors?
that's a flaw of our democracy that is fundamentally broken and needs to be addressed, American electoral system's intent by the founders was not to be used in such an idiotic and illegal way. People who tried to abuse or cheat the system should also face consequences for their actions, and many are.
eager parrot
Well it's still an attempted coup cause that was their goal and they tried to ac...
It had the makings of a coup if there was any kind of cooperation from authorities beyond letting them into the capitol building, but otherwise it is being called a coup or insurrection for political reasons, not legal or historical ones. 
marsh oracle
So trump should be prosecuted for sending fake slates of electors to the us congress and pressuring Mike Pence to select them in order to overturn the result of the election?
Wait not the "they let them in" thing
Bro where do you get your news
eager parrot
So trump should be prosecuted for sending fake slates of electors to the us cong...
I'll leave that to our justice system to decide, and so far they've decided to give him really broad immunity for his actions. I think that's misguided too because it is ripe for abuse by him or any future presidents. Precendents like that are what leads to authoritarianism on a large scale.
eager parrot
He should have used the existing processes to dispute any part of the election that his campaign disagreed with the results of, and to an extent he did, but he took it further and broke many longstanding norms and traditions and conventions when it comes to transfer of power. Whether he broke any laws because of how unprecedented the transfer of power in 2021 was remains to be decided by a plethora of court cases that remain on the docket.
marsh oracle
how was the transfer of power unprecedented? the fake electors stuff was all in prep long before jan 6th itself
eager parrot
I am not in the know for the evidence of whether he was directly involved in that stuff or just his supporters being delusional trying to abuse the process.
But there's a very real chance that he'll be president again, just a coin toss between Harris and Trump, so I suppose we'll have a fun 4.5 years to look forward to regardless. Fun as in civil unrest, civil war, or global war given the trajectory we're on right now...
marsh oracle
It had the makings of a coup if there was any kind of cooperation from authoriti...
discord please
blazing depot
He should have used the existing processes to dispute any part of the election t...
He did, it failed spectacularly with him losing every court case cause his election fraud cases were full of shit. That's why he attempted a coup.
fossil basin
https://fxtwitter.com/ikonhaber_/status/1833929963374092578
Turkish incel streamer claims he is looking for an answer for years, on how he could fuck his hypothetical sister-in-law, he is married and has children.
Elon had censored posts about another of his pedophilic rants, likely due him being a pro-Erdoğan streamer and Elon having good relations with him
that streamer also had defended the recent Roblox ban, stating that "pedophiles roam around the game"
fossil basin
I do not think me playing DTI and that pvp civilizations game on roblox is equal to... whatever this guy is doing
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crazy schedule
hoping his ramblings generate some actual counter messaging so the skewed public perspective on immigration can shift again
eager parrot
blazing depot
Classy people on Trump's team be like
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1832888733567209640
Twitter
shadow elbow
🅱️aura 🅱️oomer
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Called out by a card game
oak lodge
atrocious lmfao
oak lodge
eager parrot
how did a japanese man become the president of peru?
ah second or third generation Peruvian
fascinating history
shadow elbow
how did a japanese man become the president of peru?
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brazil
vital needle
https://x.com/AP/status/1834014416934744473
Hell yeah I came to post this
This is the second best 9/11 wish I had that came true
eager parrot
what was the first
vital needle
Oh that was decades ago when I was a kid
I came home from school and saw it on the tv
There was this magazine in Brazil called Recreio that gave these little toys together with the magazine
And they came up with a new collection of alphabet robots which I collected
Idk what else you were expecting me to say
eager parrot
I have no idea, you just said second best and I wondered what was the first lol
eager parrot
Later they did these household electronics that combined into bigger bots
that's actually really cool
blazing depot
charred fulcrum
Imagine how bad your government's decision is that you made Louis Rossman mad
God fucking damnit
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i don't think it takes that much to make him mad
companies are constantly pissing him off by acting in ways that harm consumers
charred fulcrum
Fair
proud tulip
Classy people on Trump's team be like
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/183288873...
click on her profile for jumpscare
(her face)
fossil basin
Classy people on Trump's team be like
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/183288873...
Don't bring CLASS:y into this
valid magnet
Also smelling like curry sounds nice af
dusky rapids
not everyone agrees with that tho
that reminded me of this thing that happened here
https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=bcea3bb0-06d7-4ca6-8d9e-37a8bea0e1f3
blazing depot
Gee, what a surprise
fossil basin
what a loser
oak lodge
the least he can do is not try to cope
blazing depot
He's the host of Access Hollywood and has been for 16 yrs, mind you
Could've posted this in #kpop-chat , actually 
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Incredible
blazing depot
Also.... you know. Their nominee is Donald Trump
I guess it's different when it's male celebrities.
forest sigil
The Home Alone actor?
blazing depot
Yeah
valid magnet
Twitter
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booktok seems likr a wild ass place
fossil basin
booktok seems likr a wild ass place
a lot of those are people too uncommitted to real smut and instead glorify horrible men who are also boring
or converted Reylo fanfics or similar casual ships
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sounds about what i expected
so nothing really changed
from twilight and stuff until now lol
people just gravitate towards that ig
fossil basin
from twilight and stuff until now lol
people just gravitate towards that ig
now it's hot faes instead of hot vampires
i have listened to a lot of booktok book reviews
i would respect if it was weird and quirky, instead of just glorifying abuse or horrible relationships as norm
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yeah as usual
fossil basin
or having extremely unfeasible protags that have no real motives or path to progression instead "it just happens"
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Ngl this just sounds to me like
Tumblr stuff
But on tiktok now
Its the same thing again lol
fossil basin
or atleast commit to the bit and make it more than idk, just your average pale tall love interest with a "dark bully" side to him
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book ppl on tumblr did a lot of the same thing back then
The cycle repeats
but on a different platform
fossil basin
atleast reading some of the classics should help a bit
i love myself some, especially Russian ones (novels)
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most of them will grow out of it and seek better fiction later most likely
fossil basin
I also like historical settings in my novels, as i also love history books since like 7
tolstoy
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or just stop reading like a lot of Tumblr reading kids stopped
fossil basin
i want to get an audiobook if i can, just to store books easier
it seems convinient to carry around
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I only read jujutsu kaisen fr
fossil basin
i like yappers, read some Balzac novels
Balzac does it even more
However I could listen or focus on someone yapping if it interests me or just captivates me
I had a 600-700 page version that I had read when i was at elementary school
it was gifted to me by one of my mother's associates
I do not exactly remember the good details now, but i know that i had finished the book
yeah, i am not kidding, i could ask my mother and she could confirm
I am like 20 now, more saying as confirmation than anything
It was not given as a homework, i used to read books within classes
not a good habit
populous places makes me sleepy
not that i do not like being in them
but if i have to stand still at one place it makes me sleep
not because i did not like my classes or teachers, i was quite content with them
I have several "thathappened" stories happen to me
one of them being related to the game Empire Earth
idk if any of you had played the game
i also like reading historical plays
the main issue with booktok is that for a lot of books, teens/kids are paying for books they could essentially find for free at Wattpad or AO3
fossil basin
the main issue with booktok is that for a lot of books, teens/kids are paying fo...
not a promotion/endorsement of either sites, more so how similar it seems in writing styles for similar books
valid magnet
Twitter
valid magnet
last eagle
the boomer is at it again
oak lodge
eager parrot
https://fxtwitter.com/DannyVegito/status/1834365852403073169
I think the media has missed the mark with the Haitian story. Trump and his new boy sidekick Vance say one or two things and then every single media in the country and sometimes internationally run the story and debunk it, but now suddenly everybody is talking about it and truths don't matter.
And they have to talk about uncomfortable facts like 15-20 thousand Haitian asylum seekers with no option to go back being quite literally shipped by the Biden administration into a town of 60K over the past 4 years.
Trump seemingly has never cared about whether what he's been spouting has any truth to it or not, even partially. He says a thing, anything, and then all media across the board talks about it. It's been like this for 8 years, and he gets attention.
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Sick
blazing depot
Fun fact, production quality went up after everyone stopped working
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And they have to talk about uncomfortable facts like 15-20 thousand Haitian asyl...
Springfield actually saw growth because of those migrants as the city population shrank a lot and it wasn't meeting the labour demand from there
blazing depot
No no Don, they STOLE jobs that local Americans totally wanted to do.
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In this case it's literally just racism, even the voodoo allegations are like 18th century shit
I'm sure the government could've probably done a better job at integrating the migrants into the community if thats a worry but
the guy who started this whole rumour is literally a nazi
soooooooo uhhhhhh
blazing depot
Although I'm not entirely sure how they managed to do all that work while also maintaining their voodoo cult obligations & doing regular cat & dog hunts
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I'm not sure that's coming from a legit worry about the city government providing proper care and amenities for the migrant population
blazing depot
btw, wanna know what happened not because of any actual thing any immigrant did, but because of, you know....
https://fixupx.com/KamalaHQ/status/1834661371243270597
Just a few little bomb threats
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the real threat is happening in our border, you know KAMABLA was the border czar but she's ashamed of it she doesn't talk about it she did such a bad job...
dude has one note
eager parrot
It seems insane, but this is what his audience wants and eats up.
blazing depot
Btw, re: It's the media's fault, it really isn't this time. This shit spread on SNS, got superpushed by morons like yours truly, Elon.
forest sigil
same guy that wants to deport protestors if they arent from US btw
eager parrot
On top of repeating the same things that his existing base wants to hear, falsehoods or otherwise, the whole immigrant racism thing has been his talking point since 2015, and is also meant to scare typically democrat voting rich people from small towns with gated communities who get all worked up when a single bus of refugees, asylum seekers or undocumented immigrants are dropped off in their town from Texas or Florida.
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The problem is that debunking a lie is way harder than just lying
If you give zero fucks about what you're saying you can say whatever the fuck
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Yeah
marsh oracle
its just like the crime numbers
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But since it's a presidential candidate lying so absurdly of course it'll get picked up
marsh oracle
"crime is way up under biden"
"the fbi says its way down"
"those numbers are fake"
eager parrot
a former president and current presidental candidate, people often just listen to authority figures without question
blazing depot
"crime is way up under biden"
"the fbi says its way down"
"those numbers are fak...
You know, the FBI being famously a marxist, leftist Democrat leaning institution
It's not like the former FBI director is essentially the reason Trump got elected the first time or anything
forest sigil
think it's more of people want to hear what they want
eager parrot
FBI stats are easily looked up for anybody who wants to look them up. Saying crime is way up is like a horoscope reading, depending on where you live and who you interact with, you'll interpret it however you want.
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People seek a justification for their fears and unhappiness
Blaming it on migrants is easy
Or on anyone from a different ethnicity or whatever
pale flower
Hearing the crowd at Tim Walz's Michigan rally chant "We're not eating cats! We're not eating cats!" is so heckin funny dude LOL
ocean vigil
that sounds like they are eating dogs
forest sigil
hotdogs
blazing depot
The VP debate will be a bloodbath, won't it
eager parrot
Swiss people looking around awkwardly whenever conversations about eating cats comes up...
forest sigil
that sounds like they are eating dogs
pale flower
When's the VP debate? End of the month?
forest sigil
oct 1st
pale flower
Arghhh so far away
eager parrot
while Vance says a lot of crazy shit, I would imagine the debate will be a lot more balanced and sane than the recent one between Trump and Harris though
ocean vigil
he can form a sentence. that sentence will be lot of bs, but the bar really is that low
eager parrot
He's a lawyer, he can definitely form sentences
pale flower
Part of me assumes Vance will actually put in some practice
eager parrot
The insanity he spews comes from his donors and what they demand he should say
forest sigil
I just think he will come off unlikable in the debate
pale flower
But then hearing some of the stuff he just blatantly admits on podcasts, welp
I don't think that'll help his case LOL
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I just think he will come off unlikable in the debate
JD vance coming off as uncharismatic and unlikeable?
forest sigil
when you compare him to Tim Walz too lol
I think JD forgets he is a human some times
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walz and vance debate seems like a mr beast video idea
I PUT THE LEAST CHARISMATIC AND MOST CHARISMATC MEN IN A ROOM
marsh oracle
I think JD forgets he is a human some times
considering a few years ago he was a "never trump guy", maybe he was replaced by an alien
eager parrot
He is just repeating what his handlers are feeding him.
Including Trump campaign's team.
Politicians stop believing in anything real in order to advance up the ladder.
People here in Ohio like him, not so much for what he says now, but for who he was and is. If he was a bit better spoken or not as closely associated with Trump's brand, he would have been a pretty decent politician as far as a republican goes.
blazing depot
considering a few years ago he was a "never trump guy", maybe he was replaced by...
That's just the entirety of the GOP though. It's honestly amazing there's somehow still room in Trump's ass for people to crawl into
ocean vigil
It's a massive ass on a massive ass
eager parrot
He's a big guy.
marsh oracle
Afaik vances favorability in ohio is worse than the average across the country lol
And its not just about being awkward on camera or whatever. Suggesting people without children dont give a fuck about the country or the future is just not a winning position
forest sigil
the cat lady thing certainly has caught on as a rallying point
trim flicker
they're trying to win the cat lady demographic back with this new strat
but i don't think having their cats eaten by a migrant is their main worry
marsh oracle
https://fxtwitter.com/atrupar/status/1834649182407131176 we have unlocked the political alignment hypercube
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lmao
marsh oracle
Man he just seems so boring when he reads notes
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He's old
marsh oracle
Snoozefest
forest sigil
maybe he should retire
marsh oracle
He can still flee the country
forest sigil
he did say he would leave and go to Venezuela lol
oak lodge
That's just the entirety of the GOP though. It's honestly amazing there's someho...
The ranting, frantic elephant is being understated
DT is as symbolically Republican as it gets
fossil basin
fringe juniper
Gamer mice
ruby helm
Youtube video title: "Can I make my pet mouse see-through by rubbing 1,000 bags of doritos on him?"
ocean vigil
two days of nonstop heavy rain and we're well on our way to biggest floods in decades
pale flower
AHAHAHAHA
last eagle
he's a knower (he didn't know a figure)
dire canopy
the hero of the "we can always tell" crowd
fossil basin
https://fxtwitter.com/LilTaybepoppin/status/1834966115136815256
she is not dead again, she had a successful open-heart surgery apparently
ocean vigil
two days of nonstop heavy rain and we're well on our way to biggest floods in de...
the reports of rescuers having to waste time and resources and risk their lives on people that refused evacuation are just infuriating
blazing depot
Flooding is fake news by the msm
ocean vigil
the wild takes here are split between it being fake and it being caused by the government to influence next week's elections
blazing depot
Right, they used their secret space satellites to shoot lasers at clouds to induce rain
Honestly, let all those idiots just.... face the fake news by themselves
dire canopy
well these insane takes were at least entertaining I guess
some people say this is god's revenge because we are atheist or because of the support of "ukro-nazis"
makes me glad I don't know any people like this personally
ocean vigil
yeah, I'm straight up ignoring those
dire canopy
at least there are some jokes from this as well
blazing depot
https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1835309555938480462
https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1835310008700923933
Bruh
That whole thread is wild
marsh oracle
did you see his statement about how (slightly rephrased) he still thinks trump is hitler but thats what the country needs?
blazing depot
Must have missed that one, but sounds about right
marsh oracle
Twitter
ocean vigil
diseases on the rise, i wonder what could possibly cause that
blazing depot
https://x.com/JDVance/status/1834785910635794774
That whole post is just "I'm sorry that happened" - the post
marsh oracle
impressive well crafted post tho
really maximizing that wrong claims per word count
blazing depot
Gotta make sure your blue checkmark sub doesn't go to waste
ocean vigil
there are actual articles about it, so I would assume so. would have to pay me to go actually check the source
blazing depot
Oh, so you hate the TRUTH?
ocean vigil
naturally
blazing depot
I guess that explains why you believe all that nonsense about floods
ocean vigil
I was dogsitting for my sister friday and saturday, going out and making sure those two actually pooped was adrenaline sport
and ofc first thing they did after we got back was jump straight into my bed, every single time
blazing depot
So your bed smelled like wet dog
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https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1835309555938480462
https://fixupx.com/atrupar...
huh
marsh oracle
and don't get me started on the snoring
im sure the dogs didnt mind, dont worry
ocean vigil
you have to fight back
trim flicker
why are presidential candidates allowed to just make shit up and face no consequences for it again
ocean vigil
freedom innit
blazing depot
It's not like that stuff has consequences or anything
marsh oracle
cause voters dont punish them for it
blazing depot
You know, what's the worst that could possible happen? It's not like there's suddenly be bomb threats and nazi militiamen patroling the streets to "protect" the poor pets
trim flicker
yeah see voters don't punish them for it but when it leads to shit like that ^ they should get punished through other means other than just "well just let hitler walk free and say shit as long as he's not in power he's not a problem"
stuff has consequences
marsh oracle
All of this almost seems like the death throes of a failing campaign. Some of the secondary battleground state polls have been looking dire for trump, harris and walz are spending time in those states as well even if they dont really need those states. They getting more and more desperate in their messaging
Campaigns do a fuck ton of internal polling and trumps must be flopping hard for him
blazing depot
Not that anyone would tell him that
He only knows the biggliest numbers from his favorite sources
toxic spoke
guess they’re calling it an assassination attempt https://x.com/ap/status/1835429547639964020
Twitter
blazing depot
Man, the assassins in the US aren't what they used to be
toxic spoke
those radical left communist marxist fascists just eat hot chip and lie
blazing depot
The funny part about this one is, it's once again one of his own (former) voters, lol
blazing depot
Should be noted that calling this an assassination attempt is a rather pathetic spin
But they do be desperate, so you know
fringe juniper
Ahh the Liz Cheney people probably
marsh oracle
man i really thought the political climate had cooled since the last one
fringe juniper
I was told that one was fake 
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is that a flag saying kamala is socialist radical marxist
keen nest
No idea probably though
Hey now I know 24mp cameras can produce photos good enough to be on a flag!
God I love this city
Funny af people here
fringe juniper
Where's the flag saying she needs to stop doing accents
brave pelican
Man, the assassins in the US aren't what they used to be
we’ve gone soy
toxic spoke
Twitter
brave pelican
say what you want then follow with "in game"
trim flicker
me hoping elon gets Concorded
fringe juniper
blazing depot
But is he a marxist
Also, is Elon realizing he is effectively inciting people to go take a shot at Kamala as well
Shitstain of a person that he is
oak lodge
poor decision making skills
blazing depot
I guess it's a good thing she doesn't spend her time golfing instead of on the campaign trail
toxic spoke
i don't know if the suspect is confirmed but i'm not getting my news from keemstar lol
forest sigil
Never ever forget his clan name in Halo way back in the day
Certainly can't say it here
blazing depot
my twt is completely silent about this lol
Quite honestly, it's not the biggest of deals. There's always a crazy person at any given time planning to or trying to get to the president, there's countless convictions proving that. Which could matter if facts mattered in any of this.
Remains to be seen if this dude actually had any plans or if he was just kinda there, exercising his Floridian rights to open carry
brave pelican
i don't know if the suspect is confirmed but i'm not getting my news from keemst...
what if it came from me
source: vibes
forest sigil
Certainly interesting how all the crazies gravitate towards one candidate that calls for violence often.
trim flicker
You telling me the guy trying to radicalize people gets them radicalized?
blazing depot
Funny how that goes
vital needle
anyway here's one of the candidates for mayor in São Paulo hitting the other over the head with a chair during the debate
fringe juniper
Voting for Stone Cold as a write in
fringe juniper
Stone Cold vs Triple H election. Chairs vs sledgehammers
dreamy ledge
steel definitely not aluminum chair to the face
eager parrot
Should be noted that calling this an assassination attempt is a rather pathetic ...
To be fair, it is what the FBI is calling it as well, for whatever little credit they may deserve.
ocean vigil
It happening right after Vance admitted that they are ok with making stuff up. Makes you think
fringe juniper
fossil basin
Stone Cold vs Triple H election. Chairs vs sledgehammers
Don't think Stone Cold has Retro Future
valid magnet
Twitter
blazing depot
I mean, the guy didn't shoot, the secret service did
marsh oracle
https://fxtwitter.com/elonmusk/status/1835573866271330307 damn elon got hacked
unborn echo
aware
pale flower
sigh https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1835478980830572884
Tweet deleted lolololol
blazing depot
https://fxtwitter.com/elonmusk/status/1835573866271330307 damn elon got hacked
Pretty sure that was due his lawyers telling him that might be ever so slightly problematic and less due to him feeling sorry
marsh oracle
The FBI knocking on your door is a real perspective shift
This was also a good one from the other day
blazing depot
Please, Boeing isn't running for president
fossil basin
https://x.com/halomancer1/status/1835463570961957251?t=2OwyBpvS5ZvNr-7JE1KldA&s=...
Haseul can
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This was also a good one from the other day
At least she acknowledged it
blazing depot
Why does Disney have a residential community
This isn't a new thing, they own a lot of land, even a whole little town
brave pelican
there are a lot of really interesting documentaries about epcot and it not getting finished
ocean vigil
companies building residential stuff is nothing unheard of, plenty of examples here as well
workers had to live somewhere
marsh oracle
pastel shale
being a compsci student in australia is so demoralising
pastel shale
we let in 430k immigrants in the past year and most of them are "chefs", software developers or uber drivers who cannot speak a sentence of english
ocean vigil
should fit right in 🥁
brave pelican
https://www.youtube.com/@Defunctland
goated channel
hoary charm
oh yeah its the same here
pastel shale
canada?
hoary charm
nz
hoary charm
i think we have 5 devs and 2 designers now and i'm the only non chinese/indian
pastel shale
job market/housing market aside
and i dont want to sound racist here
i fucking hate how all the suburbs around me are having multicultural businesses being sold for indian and only indian businesses
like give me my asian supermarkets back you fucks
hoary charm
what do you mean, like people are only opening indian stores or commercial real estate is only selling to indian businesses?
pastel shale
both
hoary charm
the latter sounds like it would be illegal but idk
pastel shale
nepotism is never illegal
it just feels like i dont belong here anymore
almost like im living in a whole different country
near jetty
lol
pastel shale
also does not help that my uni's board are greedy as pigs and im pretty sure our domestic to international student ratio just passed 6:4 which is insane
damn i sound like an extreme right winger but holy fuck australia needs to tone it the fuck down with immigration numbers
and if we really need this many immigrants at least fucking screen them properly
and not oversaturate an already incredibly saturated market
and at least make sure our international students can at least speak english
hoary charm
i'm gonna exacerbate the housing/job market issue by moving to aus and doubling my income
pastel shale
its really hard not to internally dislike them even if i know its not the immigrants' fault that the housing market, which was already one of the worst in the world bar megacities like hk/singapore/nyc is even more fucked and for me, my industry thats already known for nepotism and especially culutural nepotism, is getting a mass influx of workers who cant even speak english
i get that these people also deserve these chances but man
it definitely does feel hopeless
rent is skyrocketing every year while internships and jobs are harder and harder to find
and im already too committed in my major to afford any changes in career
hoary charm
what do you do in comp sci
like what kind of position would you be looking for after uni?
pastel shale
im best at development but ive studied software dev, database management and data processing/analytics
hoary charm
what kind of software tho
hoary charm
ok so not react slop
pastel shale
nope
hoary charm
you could probs grift your way into some AI internship slop with python
chances aren't as bad since you arent doing web dev
pastel shale
ive been applying but its tough
ocean vigil
move to europe
pastel shale
also been working on aws certs
a lot of my compsci connections from uni just generally have had bad luck finding any sort of experience whether it be an internship or a position
hoary charm
tbf i'd struggle to move company right now and i'm senior level
everyone's struggling
ocean vigil
it's wild how different your job market is
hoary charm
zirp is over so new grads are working towards something that doesn't exist anymore
pastel shale
i do have a connection who says they can refer an internship position for me when i graduate at deloitte
but thats not for another year, not guaranteed and also it's deloitte
lol
brave pelican
bag is bag
pastel shale
yep
brave pelican
my cs roommates idt were ever gonna go the swe or dev route they’re either not doing anything or pivoting elsewhere
pastel shale
when its tough i wont be picky but i cant lie deloitte has a terrible reputation in this field
brave pelican
one of them has been interviewing for actuary stuff
pastel shale
like kairu said i think my only way out is ai
theres no way im getting a dev position in the next decade
hoary charm
not necessarily
pastel shale
and specialised stuff is masters level for my uni
hoary charm
its just that AI is the hot new thing so it's comparatively easy to get into
pastel shale
which means more study which i guess could work out
hoary charm
same with crypto stuff a few years ago
pastel shale
its just that AI is the hot new thing so it's comparatively easy to get into
yeah its a much more even field in terms of experience
hoary charm
someone thats finishing uni as a react code monkey would be much better served by specializing in something like vue/svelte/solid and getting a position that way
the pool of people they'd be competing with is much much smaller
pastel shale
true
either way i guess if nothing works out
i live in australia
i can go to tafe and still earn more than the average joe working a 9-5
yippee
brave pelican
in the us a good amount of cs masters are kinda just money dumps
the research ones are funded most cases but the ones where you just take classes are kinda..
marsh oracle
The cs graduate job market is just mega fucked world wide basically
pastel shale
yep basically
marsh oracle
Tech companies heavily overhired during covid, had to cut back the last year or so and now you have a bunch of people with job experience competing for entry level jobs
So the actual entry level people get left out to dry
pastel shale
and as i mentioned before this industry favors nepotism as much as the entertainment industry
brave pelican
must be 18 years old with 20 years of experience
pastel shale
gg my bad im not hermione granger
marsh oracle
I mean connections is a huge factor in every industry
As cringe as I think "networking" is, even I have to admit it helps
brave pelican
perfect time to get a phd and see what hell looks like 6 years later
pastel shale
academia
brave pelican
phd with no professional experiences are always fun
the recruiters will look at you funny probably
pastel shale
phds in australia mean ur either an actual doctor with a phd in a specialised area of medicine
or youre a university professor
brave pelican
idt being in academia is good anywhere rn
thorny schooner
una simply just be better 
blaming immigration for your own setbacks wont help anyone 
haughty steppe
damn i sound like an extreme right winger but holy fuck australia needs to tone ...
"not to be racist" proceeds to be racist
blazing depot
"not to be racist" *proceeds to be racist*
Not to be mean, but you are a poopiehead and so is Damien.
thorny schooner
😭😭😭
haughty steppe
Not to be mean, but you are a poopiehead and so is Damien.
NOOOOOO
near jetty
hey hey let's be decent
blazing depot
Fine, you can be a poopiehead, too
near jetty
thorny schooner
the alphabet mafia..
eager parrot
a continuation of this story https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/09/secure-boot-neutering-pkfail-debacle-is-more-prevalent-than-anyone-knew/
livid frigate
going to see our next president on friday
near jetty
uh oh!
eager parrot
blazing depot
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnipresent-ai-cameras-wi...
Couldn't have said it more Orwellesque if he tried
dreamy ledge
🤖
keen nest
this is cool af
friend asked me if I had seen it i'm like no
now it's like all over my fb and yt figures lmao
now you can doom scroll tiktok on a big screen from your pocket poggers !
fossil basin
TW : sexual abuse https://fxtwitter.com/PopBase/status/1836045895084716090
TW : sexual abuse https://fxtwitter.com/PopBase/status/1836043525684892045
pale flower
@fossil basin Please use trigger warnings for these 🙏
fossil basin
<@602395133039607839> Please use trigger warnings for these 🙏
i thought trigger warnings was in the subchannel?
i did not know posts needed those as well, my apologizes
which format would be the best to add those?
pale flower
I just mean you can edit your message to say TW: sexual abuse
pale flower
If there's a new forum post made about a topic then those use the tags, but if it's a message in chat then it's just better to hide the content so folks don't immediately read it especially when it's trigger worthy
Think of it like a person who's scared of snakes and goes into chat and it's immediately got a picture of a snake
You're good either way =p Just wanted to explain the rationale
fossil basin
oh i did not know
yeah... i did not understand how the subchannel mechanics worked, my bad
i thought the tw:s were a prewarning for the misc-forums
pale flower
Ahhh I get it
pale flower
There's been reports of it in Syria too
blazing depot
I saw that. Wtf do they use to build those pagers
Not like you can just send a line of code to make whatever random electronic device explode in a deadly fashion
fossil basin
not a good precedent for things
blazing depot
Unless you can and everyone with a phone is fucked, Israel is scary, man
pale flower
It was a pretty recent package of pagers that got sent out to a bunch of Hez millitants
hoary charm
mossad gotta have people on the inside distributing rigged pagers
blazing depot
This is also probably not the best way to ensure conspiracy theorists they're full of shit
hoary charm
not a chance you can just make a battery explode like that
pale flower
There were some reports too that they got a message before the pagers exploded
pale flower
Feels like something out of an agent movie
blazing depot
Mossad be like "All your base are belong to us"
marsh oracle
the mossad sends its regards
near jetty
please mr biden dont explode me
the note 7 was just a prototype and ceelo green was ground zero
oak lodge
LOL
well, none of the guesses are bullshit to be honest especially between places that have been in-and-out of war for a long time
marsh oracle
please mr biden dont explode me
sorry but weapons testing is an offical act
oak lodge
Look at Project Eldest Son it's a known sabotage tactic to spike gun ammo for soviet weapons like the AK family of autorifle
it would only be a missed opportunity of any clandestine sect (adjacent to military or in it) to not do it
eager parrot
https://www.reuters.com/world/hezbollah-pager-explosions-live-2024-09-17/
I was just reading about it too, it seems unlikely that they could have sent a code to overload the pagers in such a coordinated way for the tiny lithium ion batteries to explode and cause this many severe injuries and deaths.
Somewhere along the supply line, they had to have put in actual small charge explosives.
Which is terrifying considering how much lithium ion batteries are imported here into the US from countries that may not be very friendly with us...
Difference between terrorism and counter-terrorism it seems is just PR and branding, another free pass for the state.
This is less likely to have been Mossad, more likely ISA/Shabak, rigging and boobytrapping mobile devices has been their signature since early 90's.
oak lodge
unconventional warfare can be pretty hard to pinpoint also
seemingly inconspicuous designs, packaging, or not. Whether it regularly goes boom or says "hello" in the shape of an egg
eager parrot
This is also probably not the best way to ensure conspiracy theorists they're fu...
lol suddenly wrapping devices in faraday cages or even tinfoil is no longer just a conspiracy theorists' domain.
fossil basin
Diddy offers 50m bail
blazing depot
Let him rot
hoary charm
probably because thats not what vance said
he said that if the EU wants the US to support NATO, they should support american values like free speech
he didn't say EU should support elon lol
blazing depot
He can stick his American values up his... couch
ruby helm
Why hasn't Elon already given trump his twitter account back yet anyway?
Thought they are buddies
hoary charm
?
blazing depot
He has
hoary charm
trump has been back on twitter for months
marsh oracle
I mean his standard for supporting free speech seems to be not regulating misinformation on twitter
ruby helm
oh must of missed it
brave pelican
mark cuban should just buy twitter
marsh oracle
He isnt really
brave pelican
give us back the blue bird
marsh oracle
His twitter account is his campaign
You get the raw trump on truth social
But the account is back
oak lodge
he said that if the EU wants the US to support NATO, they should support america...
I am assuming it's in line with his "America First" policy?
hoary charm
I am assuming it's in line with his "America First" *policy?*
more like the maga version of free speech
oak lodge
mmmhm
hoary charm
meaning speech they agree with
oak lodge
ahhh
hoary charm
You get the raw trump on truth social
i love that 3 on 1 post he made
blazing depot
meaning speech they agree with
No consequences for anything unless it happens to be leftist
oak lodge
price would be the only deciding factor between these low quality lunch meals
fossil basin
do the US not have any mineral water?
are energy drinks only way to get electrolytes for them
oak lodge
do the US not have any mineral water?
they do, but the common idea is that ultra filtered water is "better"
A good mineral water can help retain the intake of said water though its often forgone
trim flicker
mmmm tap water
forest sigil
you drink water, not tap it silly smh
shadow elbow
you can only learn to tap water once you learn to tap dance
near jetty
and that skill is only unlocked when you tap a tree
nova holly
https://fxtwitter.com/Dexerto/status/1835718050764517669
lunchables is aimed at primary school kids
but the blurb on this product mentions how much protein and electrolytes it has like its for gym bros
fossil basin
it's odd, me and my mom are big consumers of mineral sparkling water
some protein milk + mineral water should be a less toxic and easier way to get those
especially since a lot of protein milk i had seen here is lactose-free
marsh oracle
https://fxtwitter.com/ok_post_guy/status/1836114426937905429 we are getting closer
forest sigil
yeah
marsh oracle
part of me thinks he was trying to imitate that harris moment from the debate but hes too terrible at public speaking
or public existing, really
fossil basin
average elon decision:
forest sigil
part of me thinks he was trying to imitate that harris moment from the debate bu...
he's like an evil larry david in curb your enthusiasm
marsh oracle
its actually mindblowing how abysmal he's been
he almost seems genetically engineered to be a terrible politician
the worst positions imaginable, terrible at public speaking, constantly puts his own foot in his mouth and hes a straight white male
it cannot get any worse than this
forest sigil
propped up by Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, he must be a stand up guy
trim flicker
To think the other candidate the GOP was propping up was DeSantis
And somehow both are on a similar level of completely uncharismatic dudes
blazing depot
https://fxtwitter.com/Dexerto/status/1835718050764517669
You couldn't have a more comically on point collab of detestable fuckwits
hoary charm
it cannot get any worse than this
gop: hold my non-lgbt beer
blazing depot
Yeah, that needs a "*for a VP running mate" qualifier
there's definitely worse within the GOP
fringe juniper
Lol
pale flower
https://www.reuters.com/world/hezbollah-pager-explosions-live-2024-09-17/
Round 2 just started, holy shit
marsh oracle
saw some tweet earlier about how israel just used up its secret weapon and now theyre fucked only for this to happen lmfao
pale flower
They didn't expect the other secret weapon 
marsh oracle
Turns out those wireless devices really can kill you
vital needle
These terrorists are getting too creative with their tactics
eager parrot
The tactics are old-school, the scale of it is what's surprising, and it really deteriorates trust in basic electronics supply chains.
They targeted solar power equipment too.
marsh oracle
Maybe your phone should explode when you post a bad take
eager parrot
Terrorism is terrorism after all.
Latest AP News article explains the origins being Hungarian, licensed Taiwanese Pagers that were destined for consumers in Lebanon and Syria. It also mentions that there was indeed explosive charges according to sources, and not just Lithium Ion batteries exploding.
marsh oracle
I dont really think targetting military equipment in war is terrorism
eager parrot
Pagers, Walkie Talkies and Solar power equipment are not military equipment in war. They intercepted electronic devices in the supply chain, implanted explosives in a large number of them, hoping they would wind up in the hands of Hezbollah members and their associates and families, shipped them to two countries, and were able to detonate them at any time.
Now imagine any other country/state than Israel doing this.
fossil basin
also aren't children injured due explosions?
eager parrot
Putting explosives in mobile communication devices, exporting them to another country as though they are normal devices.
Then citizens of this other country use the devices per normal, and suddenly they explode, killing, maiming and injuring people.
It's literally classic hollywood-esque terrorism plot. One of the Kingsman movies even had a similar plot to this.
blazing depot
I dont really think targetting military equipment in war is terrorism
Given the wide scale scattershot approach with zero regards to collateral damage, what would you call it then?
fossil basin
per bbc there are children injured due those specific explosions of devices
marsh oracle
Putting explosives in mobile communication devices, exporting them to another co...
Is that what happened?
Seems like they are suspiciously likely to have ended up in hezbollah hands
fossil basin
there's atleast one known child dead at the hospital
eager parrot
A significant portion of them did end up in Hezbollah hands, but clearly not all of them.
marsh oracle
You dont just "export" devices to another country, you sell it to somebody
eager parrot
Imagine if Russia did this to Ukrainian officials for example.
Or China did this to, I don't know, US officials.
fossil basin
or an overreaching government trying to eliminate their opposition or activists
it sets a horrible example
eager parrot
This is a terrorist attack, regardless of which side is doing it and whose support they have.
blazing depot
This wasn't a "we precision strike a target" type of operation, this was a "we nuke the whole place and hope the targets are in there somewhere"
marsh oracle
I would condemn it because I think russia attacking ukraine isnt legitimate, not because they targeted a bunch of military members with explosives
eager parrot
It also severely deteriorates trust in electronics supply chains, which is actually bad for surveillance of these groups.
fossil basin
there's dead and injured children due this, i would not call them military members necessarily
fossil basin
it's still a war crime?
marsh oracle
Civilian casualties doesnt equal war crime
blazing depot
To legitimize this sort of thing by pretending it's not terrorism in all but name is to set a terrible precedent
marsh oracle
If you can show me evidence that these devices are actually indiscriminately distributed I would agree with you
blazing depot
Like, just because a state puts the plan into action doesn't make it not terrorism, it makes it state sponsored terrorism
You know, the kind of tactics Iran uses
livid frigate
You know, the kind of tactics Iran uses
Or the US and Israel
vital needle
Especially if the state itself is an apartheid state curre tly orchestrating a genocide
And has been doing shit like that since the 1940s
Just a collection of fascist thugs and psychopaths
blazing depot
If you can show me evidence that these devices are actually indiscriminately dis...
It doesn't matter how they were distributed. They just detonated them and blew up everyone who happened to be in the vicinity.
vital needle
I wonder how they are allowed to go unpunished
eager parrot
They have unconditional US and most of western Europe's and NATO's backing.
What is anybody else going to do to them?
They also are stocked up like a giant aircraft carrier on land in terms of how armed they are compared to their size.
And clearly have no qualms about committing state sponsored terrorism like it's just another Tuesday.
And any criticism is immediately equated with anti-semitism and shielded by the global alliances they've made and politicians they sponsor.
blazing depot
And let's not forget why this is happening rn. A certain someone needs to keep the currently very active war going to appease his fascist friends in the right wing coalition... and his own ass out of jail.
That's literally the only reason.
It's not like Mossad couldn't have pulled similar stunts before
vital needle
If this was the only reason the nakba would have not happened
This whole project is sick
marsh oracle
Yep thats the only reason for the whole conflict over there lol
vital needle
Its just colonialism
Its just a bunch of people deciding they are racially superior and rolling with it
fossil basin
atleast the main reason
vital needle
Never turned out well and never will
The project needs to be abandoned and abolished
fossil basin
of course nothing %100 happens for a singular reason, but there are always main driving factors and climax events
for example, Princip shooting the archduke was not a driving factor, but it was a climax event for WW1
marsh oracle
Maybe encouraging people to throw themselves at israel 60 years after they first lost a war over that territory is a bad idea 
Like you can dislike the existence of israel but unless you want the open genocide of the jews there, its not going anywhere
Hamas and hezbollah arent really hiding their intentions for that
eager parrot
Its just a bunch of people deciding they are racially superior and rolling with ...
Their current minister of national security, itamar ben-gvir, is the leader of otzma yehudit party, which literally translates to "Jewish Power", a continuation of Kach party, a Kahanist movement that was even declared illegal by Israel themselves and listed as terrorists by the US. And his party is one of the few propping up the government there right now
So you're not far off about the racial superiority part.
vital needle
Yeah yeah same shit as a white supremacist turning to the native americans and saying "uhhh actually you lost the war??? So uuhhhh cope i guess????"
Poor colonizers having their gains taken away by people who dont like to suffer from genocide
marsh oracle
I mean you can also seethe for 60 more years that is true
vital needle
Boo hoo
pale flower
That's literally the only reason.
This is a crazy take considering Hezbollah has been launching missiles at Israel's north for this entire past year
Nobody but Hezbollah is using those old ass pagers
marsh oracle
Also just to be clear, the israeli settlements in the west bank are very stupid and should stop immediately
pale flower
They're literally meant to be secret communication devices
vital needle
I mean you can also seethe for 60 more years that is true
Yes I will seethe at racism and colonialism because how laughable of me
brave pelican
whats stopping them from rigging my iphone blowing up though
ocean vigil
it not having explosives in it
pale flower
You not being part of a terrorist organization
brave pelican
hmm
vital needle
I would be better off pretending to be an enlightened centrist leeching off the privileges I gain from being a us vassal state
marsh oracle
In theory I could steal a package from a delivery truck, plant a bomb in it and deliver it to the receiver
Nothing is stopping me really
vital needle
Acting smug because my grandparents exploited the whole world for me how nice
vital needle
whats stopping them from rigging my iphone blowing up though
Be the correct race and be in the place they want you to be